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Speaker 3: On April ninth, twenty nineteen, he became the oldest player
Speaker 3: in NBA history to score fifty points in a game.
Speaker 3: And he's also the first and only player thus far
Speaker 3: to score at least fifty points for four different franchises.
Speaker 3: And he's the newest analyst. He's gonna be calling game
Speaker 3: for NBC next season, the one, the only. Jamal Crawford. Jamal,
Speaker 3: how you doing, bro?
Speaker 2: I'm good? Old Nation got big all right.
Speaker 3: The trade that happened last night, Luca a superstar, beyond superstar,
Speaker 3: a global superstar in this absolute He's not even here
Speaker 3: his prime yet, Jamal.
Speaker 2: He's twenty five years of age.
Speaker 3: He's a five time first team All NBA player, and
Speaker 3: they traded him for Anthony Davis and a first round
Speaker 3: pick and I think twenty twenty nine and Max Christi
Speaker 3: and in return, the Lakers get Luca, they gets Max Kleeber,
Speaker 3: and they get Mark Kif Marris who was already he
Speaker 3: was on the twenty twenty Laker team that won the championship.
Speaker 3: So Lakers received Luca, Maxi, Kleber, Markif Marris. The MAVs
Speaker 3: get Anthony Davis, Max Christi, and a twenty twenty nine
Speaker 3: first round pick. Also, the Jazz received Jalen Hoodson, a Scarafino,
Speaker 3: a twenty twenty five second round pick, a twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five second round pick Bill the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was
Speaker 2: bull jive.
Speaker 3: I thought somebody had had because it ain't no way
Speaker 3: the Maths to trade Luca. But lloy and behold, it
Speaker 3: is absolutely true. Luca dantic If on the move, Anthony
Speaker 3: Davis going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of
Speaker 3: the trade. Why do you think this trade happened?
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was a little
Speaker 5: guys at first two. It ain't no way Luke's being traded,
Speaker 5: like you said, all the exactly the way.
Speaker 2: He ain't staring.
Speaker 5: And if i'll be young NBA star, I'm not comfortable
Speaker 5: anywhere if Lukens can be traded at this fad where
Speaker 5: exactly where he was going. Anybody be traded better. I
Speaker 5: said last year on Shock's podcast, I said, if I'm Laker,
Speaker 5: I'm looking at trade every day, and people thought I
Speaker 5: was trading. I said, Lebron is still the best player
Speaker 5: right now. You got to have better pieces company. Yes,
Speaker 5: they wanted to bubble. Yes, the Lebron is still ain't
Speaker 5: looking like he's Lebron. So with that being said, I
Speaker 5: gotta get pieced. I didn't know Luke's on the table
Speaker 5: when they happened. Who knew, but become to la. I
Speaker 5: gotta take that beer. I had to because now you're
Speaker 5: going for the now and the future. As Lebron says,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna wear it down. I'm gonna hang
Speaker 5: it out. Whatever the idea is more two three for me.
Speaker 5: You have a bonified superstar that now we who other
Speaker 5: people want to play there? Nucles backs off, so we go.
Speaker 5: He's gonna bring me a Hollywood white Fish, Hollywood Dan Book,
Speaker 5: all the other Dallas. It's a perfect compliment to Kyrie.
Speaker 5: They obviously are gonna make some Morena move. They didn't
Speaker 5: trust the fact they're gonna have to be in Luke
Speaker 5: almost four hundred million dollars. But I's going off the college.
Speaker 5: See it's really loud right now because now we're looking like, no,
Speaker 5: what happy trade? Like they had to do stuff thing
Speaker 5: we don't know about, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know I also, I mean, I'm curious. I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the head a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking ahead little bit. Obviously it had to be
Speaker 1: something internally for them to trade such a great prayer
Speaker 1: like that, like like both of you said, it's not
Speaker 1: even in his prime. So I'm looking forward to obviously
Speaker 1: the future because Kyrie can opt out in the summer,
Speaker 1: and what are the chances Kyrie actually joining Lebron again.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Lebron comes back next year as well, and
Speaker 1: you have Luca, Kyrie and Lebron.
Speaker 5: So for me, I think, I honest see that could
Speaker 5: have been an election, but Kile God would have some
Speaker 5: type of play like you know what, I could have
Speaker 5: easily been loving, Like I'm saying, my contracts up next year.
Speaker 5: They chose to stick with me and Megal Jason Pierre
Speaker 5: speaks about Card He's always sneaking glory. He does everything
Speaker 5: you want. He playing with ad act be a ky
Speaker 5: another win cash back to be a point guard. He's
Speaker 5: still this fun who's still doing nothing. He still makes
Speaker 5: it look easy. You got a d you got a
Speaker 5: bunch of money, possibly with the other moons to be made.
Speaker 5: If I'm time like, you know what, they stuck with me,
Speaker 5: and also they have't nobody else wanted to get multiple
Speaker 5: years on the contract. Well, so you don't condeict that
Speaker 5: type of staff.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm looking at it, and I've said this.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows this is not right now. I called I
Speaker 3: gave Luca the name baby Bird because I thought he
Speaker 3: was that special. He was the closest white player I
Speaker 3: had ever seen the lad Bird. Everybody knew lad Bird
Speaker 3: was my favorite, but I always questioned. I said, he
Speaker 3: looked like he's out of shape. I said, he looks
Speaker 3: like he's unconditioned. He looked like he doesn't take his
Speaker 3: training and his condition seriously, his training seriously, and he
Speaker 3: has some habits that you know, if you look at
Speaker 3: Rick Carlyle, you got Luca. Guys don't normally say nah,
Speaker 3: I'm good and leave a superstar player that's only twenty
Speaker 3: two years of age, Jamal. So there was something that
Speaker 3: was some things that was going on that wasn't being
Speaker 3: talked about. But if you know the game and you see,
Speaker 3: you like something ain't adding up. And then plus Luca
Speaker 3: is scheduled. He was the first player that was gonna
Speaker 3: be able to get the Supermax five years, three hundred
Speaker 3: and forty five million, So basically sixty nine million dollars
Speaker 3: a year, Jamal. If a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take
Speaker 3: his training serious, he doesn't take conditioning serious, and there's
Speaker 3: some other things going around. If I give him sixty
Speaker 3: nine million, Jamal, and he might have some power that
Speaker 3: we need to rustle away from him. And if you
Speaker 3: hear listen to ni Ko says, he says something by culture.
Speaker 3: When I hear that, Jamal, I don't know about you,
Speaker 3: but my ears per cup.
Speaker 5: Their coaching means and something beyond scenes that he's not
Speaker 5: happeny with. And like we all know that the one
Speaker 5: question in all the sports and in life period you entertaining,
Speaker 5: bit are you gathering your problem? And Linda is gathering
Speaker 5: his problem. So that's why I'm shocking's happened. Even with
Speaker 5: all that going on, he's swooning too. He can't learn
Speaker 5: them mature and you can learn over and see Cayley
Speaker 5: whoever the professional guard. JA don want the best point
Speaker 5: guards ever. So that's the shocking general, And part of
Speaker 5: it is that he started twenty twenty nine a doctor,
Speaker 5: you know, need.
Speaker 2: A spine or whatever. He's still not even in the spine.
Speaker 2: And so I was fit. And that's why I look
Speaker 2: at second Shop guys like that.
Speaker 5: They don't be training and you're gonna be when this
Speaker 5: until he figures now we can come back, because he's
Speaker 5: exactly good. In fact, he's twenty two, all the big
Speaker 5: to the front of us always probably already find the.
Speaker 2: Follow sorry the fact he's twenty still for that too,
Speaker 2: So that's great.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, Jamal, and I tell you this
Speaker 3: all the time and we talk about it. They'll tolerant
Speaker 3: until they can replace you once they got a deal
Speaker 3: that says, you know what we.
Speaker 2: Can win right now. I like Kyrie and Ad in
Speaker 2: the pick and roll.
Speaker 3: AD has never really had a guy this dynamic in
Speaker 3: the pick and roll Rondo, and you remember when he
Speaker 3: had Rondo in New Orleans, the numbers that Ad put
Speaker 3: up where Kyrie is a very simile guard point guard
Speaker 3: in the pick and roll, but for them to trail
Speaker 3: a twenty five year old that's five times first Team
Speaker 3: All NBA.
Speaker 2: It tells me everything I need to know. I don't
Speaker 2: need to hear nothing else. They can say this, so
Speaker 2: they can say that.
Speaker 3: But you know it had to be bad, Jamar, because
Speaker 3: everything that you said is absolutely true, because you say,
Speaker 3: you know what, his production is better than his problems,
Speaker 3: but they say, no, hell, it ain't.
Speaker 2: His problems supersede his production.
Speaker 1: I have a question. You know, both of you could
Speaker 1: probably answer it better than I can. Obviously, I don't
Speaker 1: really understand how or the intricacy on why he's not
Speaker 1: edgible for the five year through forty five super he
Speaker 1: got traded just so simply because he got treated us
Speaker 1: in the contract. Letting you know, once you get traded
Speaker 1: somewhere else you longer.
Speaker 3: You only get a four year dollars because he was
Speaker 3: almost like a bird, almost a bird situation.
Speaker 2: That was the team that drafted him. He had been
Speaker 2: this many times the first team All the NBA player.
Speaker 3: So therefore a lad Jason Tatum, a JB so guys
Speaker 3: that have been there for particularly what if it what
Speaker 3: if it like five like what five six years are Jamal,
Speaker 3: and then you're a first team All nb you have
Speaker 3: to be a first team you have to be one
Speaker 3: of the All NBA selections. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yes, So he's done that. So he was eligible five
Speaker 2: years three forty five.
Speaker 3: So think about that, he would have been eligible to
Speaker 3: get another contract that was probably gonna be north of
Speaker 3: four hundred million at the age of thirty.
Speaker 6: I think he answered right there.
Speaker 2: I think that was aha on. I think that's gonna
Speaker 2: be it.
Speaker 5: I think they were more still if they gave him
Speaker 5: that money and then they couldn't do that to water
Speaker 5: them at that point.
Speaker 2: He runs an organization.
Speaker 5: Totally versus right now, like you know what, let's call
Speaker 5: lost since we've seen where it's boring, and I think
Speaker 5: that might be for all of.
Speaker 2: Them, and they've because here's the thing, Jamal.
Speaker 3: They believe that a lot of these injuries, the knickknack injury,
Speaker 3: is because of his condition. It's because of its training,
Speaker 3: is because of his diet, It's because of a lot
Speaker 3: of things behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: We say this with Joel Embiid, we say this with
Speaker 2: Zaion Williamson.
Speaker 3: Not to say injuries don't happen, but I believe the
Speaker 3: Mavericks believed a lot of these injuries are self induced.
Speaker 3: You're not taking care of your body. It's being reported
Speaker 3: at one pointy way two seventy two sixty five. Whatever
Speaker 3: the case may be. But Jamal, you know this.
Speaker 2: You played this game.
Speaker 3: Damn near two that you played it two decades. When
Speaker 3: somebody moves a player like this, we've never seen it.
Speaker 3: That'll been like they've moved Magic Johnson in his prime,
Speaker 3: been moving Larry Bird, Michael Jorge ended their pride twenty
Speaker 3: five year old. Don't get moved unless the behavior is
Speaker 3: so egregious, they say, we just can't control it.
Speaker 2: We see what.
Speaker 1: Okay, Ma, your eyes and your ears are still even
Speaker 1: if you're not playing, your eyes and ears are still
Speaker 1: with the NBA. Do you know have you heard anything
Speaker 1: what the issue might be where this where it came
Speaker 1: to a head where they just had to get.
Speaker 2: Rid of them.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's just let's just take a step back
Speaker 5: and think about when they want the phone, right, Lucas
Speaker 5: had a celebrations being Mike Thumberg, I got so quick,
Speaker 5: So you can't speculate that they having stepped behind them
Speaker 5: seeing that was excited. You know what, he's not changing
Speaker 5: what we want to be and if we get in
Speaker 5: this contract and maybe worse at this point. So sometimes
Speaker 5: the best one to see if funks is not. Look,
Speaker 5: look they're gonna be on their best behavior. So sometimes
Speaker 5: you guys say, let me move with that. Let me
Speaker 5: see if you got a check. Now listen with anybody right,
Speaker 5: let me see if they are begelig with the potestual room.
Speaker 5: You watching that, this is makes you watching the table man.
Speaker 5: But going back to having had sent classic just go
Speaker 5: back and figure little bit Nico Harrison's quote's back. Rob
Speaker 5: Lincoln told them they so you know, they had a
Speaker 5: friendship in relationship and off tack with politicsation they have
Speaker 5: So that's why something like we can so and not
Speaker 5: get out.
Speaker 3: But but here's the thing, this is what we know.
Speaker 3: Young athletes that hurt become old athletes to get hurt.
Speaker 3: And the worst thing you can have is an old
Speaker 3: guy that's got you owned two hundred million, you owned
Speaker 3: three hundred million. Because I just read a thing the
Speaker 3: other day when it said Jolan beiid he's made one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five million for the games that he's missed.
Speaker 3: You want that on Luca, You want that, you want
Speaker 3: Lucas salary three hundred and forty five million, and here
Speaker 3: he is. And they believe that those injuries, a lot
Speaker 3: of those have been exacerbated by his condition. And you
Speaker 3: remember he was nursing the knee injury last year and
Speaker 3: in the game in the championship game, excuse me, and
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals, and leading up to the finals, we're like, well,
Speaker 3: how long can he go on that?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 3: So now you hear culture, you hear you see a
Speaker 3: guy that has no interest in playing any level of defense,
Speaker 3: not at all.
Speaker 2: Uh oh lit some some.
Speaker 1: Go some got to give away. You know, everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: have flaws when you think about NBA players, hell, even
Speaker 1: NFL players. Everybody has their strengths. His strengths and his
Speaker 1: identity is on the offensive side of the ball, so
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't get from the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the end. But he's so great a which done offensively?
Speaker 2: Head on you you got you got, you got to
Speaker 2: take that.
Speaker 1: So how do you like this?
Speaker 2: You are selective posts anybody probably, I just don't.
Speaker 7: But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Lebron is at the age he can't play consistent defense.
Speaker 3: Luca doesn't play any defense. You traded your two bless defenders,
Speaker 3: your wing defenders, Max Christy on ball, uh and ad
Speaker 3: your help defend it on ball, can defend one through five,
Speaker 3: is tremendous in the picker roll. He's great at weak
Speaker 3: side of help. Look, you got guys that can score,
Speaker 3: but who can they stop? Look, I understand, I understand.
Speaker 3: This is what the Lakers and I and I've studied
Speaker 3: the Lakers, and I know the Bakers. This is what
Speaker 3: the Lakers do. They got Willed because they love superstars
Speaker 3: in LAA.
Speaker 2: You gotta have them.
Speaker 3: You cannot get over it. You cannot survive at the
Speaker 3: Lakers without superstars. So they go get they go get Willed,
Speaker 3: and then they follow that over Kareem and they go
Speaker 3: get shot, and they go get Lebron and now they
Speaker 3: go get and they go get Luca. You gotta have
Speaker 3: that if you're gonna be la if you're gonna be
Speaker 3: the Lakers. You look at the Dodgers. That's what they do.
Speaker 3: You see show, Hey, you see Mookie. That's what they
Speaker 3: do in order for you to survive out here. That's
Speaker 3: why they win. And traded for Matthew Stafford. Don't, Joe,
Speaker 3: you gotta have a star. You gotta have stars, Aaron Donald,
Speaker 3: You gotta have stars to survive out here if you
Speaker 3: want to win, because there's too much going on in La.
Speaker 3: We got beaches, we got sam we got rude talks.
Speaker 3: You got so much going on, and if you don't win,
Speaker 3: they not coming to see you. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: I don't care. See that's the notion that people make, Jamal,
Speaker 3: and you know this. A lot of time, people say, well,
Speaker 3: as long as I'm doing my job, you shouldn't care
Speaker 3: about No, no, no, no, no. It doesn't work like that,
Speaker 3: because see, your job is being a professional. That's your job.
Speaker 3: How you conduct yourself while you're doing your job, that's
Speaker 3: called being a pro.
Speaker 2: And say, we don't like the pro.
Speaker 3: We love the professional because he's given us twenty nine,
Speaker 3: thirty two, thirty four, ninety nine. We know what he
Speaker 3: can do, but that pro eventually will catch up with us.
Speaker 3: His behavior and the way he does things that say, nah,
Speaker 3: we got to nip this in the bug. We got
Speaker 3: the break he's played at twenty five because he's gonna
Speaker 3: become unk.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: We let him get two years into sixty and seventy
Speaker 3: million dollar contract. Hey, that joking back coming Hey. He
Speaker 3: might come into the game drinking a beer. He might
Speaker 3: come to the hey smoking on hookah. Because we know
Speaker 3: Luca loving Huka, not Jbaul. He loveth hookah. And when
Speaker 3: you sit back and look at it, Rick Carlyle left,
Speaker 3: he refused the contract extension he had Luca at twenty
Speaker 3: two twenty three. What can't you know would walk away
Speaker 3: from Lebron? Walk away from a hit of Magic Johnson,
Speaker 3: Larry Bird. That's what lucas a comparison is. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's not won a championship, he hadn't won an MVP,
Speaker 3: but that's what he is in today's turns. Ain't no
Speaker 3: coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but
Speaker 3: coaches because they know how hard it is to get
Speaker 3: one of those guys. Those guys you don't those guys
Speaker 3: like Luca, they don't come out in the draft every year.
Speaker 2: Are Lebron a magic a Bird?
Speaker 3: They don't come So if I get one, I gonna
Speaker 3: keep this joke as long as I can, as long
Speaker 3: as they'll have me our state.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why it's like we have never ever
Speaker 5: seen this, and it's so open ended, and it was
Speaker 5: so shocking all we can doing speculator Rember Wish snucking
Speaker 5: down nobody. But you gotta figure it out, right, like
Speaker 5: that's your job. But figure it out and people or
Speaker 5: getting a little bit of insight. And while this happened,
Speaker 5: who knows if it's you know, how they thought this
Speaker 5: body will be like all that stuff played the part.
Speaker 5: What's so happened is where he's going and where Anthony
Speaker 5: Batis is going and how opposed quote changing were gonna
Speaker 5: see in the next year or two, how things lined
Speaker 5: up and we have on answer the future.
Speaker 3: I also think I think now he just lost one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen million dollars on show basically one year.
Speaker 2: It cost him one hundred and seven it cost him
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen million.
Speaker 3: Now, if that don't get your attention, it should have
Speaker 3: your undivided attention. Now, I don't know where y'all who
Speaker 3: makes one hundred and seventeen million dollars a year. Maybe
Speaker 3: some CEOs, maybe a Christiano Ronaldo, maybe in Bape.
Speaker 2: Maybe something of them.
Speaker 3: But the ain't a whole ain't a whole lot of
Speaker 3: players making see a one hundred and seventeen million in
Speaker 3: salary of jamorrow, anybody, I'm gonna attack you. Now you
Speaker 3: got just thinking about you could have been. You could
Speaker 3: have been and that in Texas no state income tax,
Speaker 3: it's thirteen and a half percent. In Californi you I
Speaker 3: don't know if you notice anything. So forty million, they
Speaker 3: gonna take thirteen and a half percent.
Speaker 2: That's ten.
Speaker 3: So they gonna take four million to nother three. So
Speaker 3: they gonna take by six million from you, right there,
Speaker 3: O Joe on forty.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, let's say he missed that on one seventeen,
Speaker 1: right whereever you missed out. What let's say he gets
Speaker 1: this yet together, hisself together, gets on the right track.
Speaker 1: It's possibility he can recoup that money on the back
Speaker 1: end and the next deal.
Speaker 2: It all depends.
Speaker 3: Hold up, he's a big enough superstar that he can
Speaker 3: have he can have deals outside because he projects. That's
Speaker 3: one thing he projects globally. So yeah, he can make
Speaker 3: that much. But you can't make up what you miss.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like time because yeah, let's just say
Speaker 3: for the sake of market, Ohoe, he signs this deal
Speaker 3: with the Lakers, So one seventeen minus three forty five,
Speaker 3: so he gets two twenty eight, twenty eight, twenty eight coup, honey, but.
Speaker 2: Just say save a uh uh, Jamal.
Speaker 3: You remember when Boogie Boogiet missed out on what two
Speaker 3: hundred million by getting traded to UH, by getting traded
Speaker 3: to UH the Pelicans, and then it gets injured.
Speaker 2: Never saw pay their aguinion. See that's the thing, oh Joe.
Speaker 3: You see, we we're under the assumption and we hope
Speaker 3: we knock on wood that nothing happens. But when you
Speaker 3: continuously overweight, you put stress on your body. Your body
Speaker 3: ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being
Speaker 3: trying to go up and down that corner on the
Speaker 3: nightly basis, Jamal. You know at least two nights a week,
Speaker 3: sometime three nights a week when you meant to be
Speaker 3: two twenty. All of a sudden, you trying to play
Speaker 3: in two sixties. Something got a give, o Joe, something
Speaker 3: got a give. You got it from harm and you
Speaker 3: keep hauling logs on top of it, and you see
Speaker 3: what happened to it?
Speaker 2: Basically, Oh Joe, talk hold on.
Speaker 1: You got to understand I was going five for one
Speaker 1: eighty on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and the coke
Speaker 1: so you know, having a deal with you at my
Speaker 1: age with the skill set would never happen any injuries.
Speaker 1: That's easy work.
Speaker 2: See he was doing it at twenty five.
Speaker 1: S ag ain't number, but the number they the man
Speaker 1: created that, I know, aj whenever you ready, I'm here.
Speaker 1: That's all they got to see that fool work this.
Speaker 2: Time working on me. Let me, let me let me
Speaker 2: ask you a questions, Jamal, who do you think won
Speaker 2: the trade?
Speaker 5: I think Dallas is on the immediate future, that immediate cornly,
Speaker 5: I think the life is going the future Parker.
Speaker 6: And the reason being is he w let's help you.
Speaker 6: But and as you know, like we've seen sometimes or
Speaker 6: Staff and his thought and he steading games on the
Speaker 6: last yet but he's gonna have a different walk mode man,
Speaker 6: you like you said, he's gonna be involving picking alls
Speaker 6: a lot.
Speaker 2: Uh lukall.
Speaker 5: That's a great transition to me as a preacherre Shi
Speaker 5: star whenever the brown side.
Speaker 2: He's having that because you gotta have them roll.
Speaker 5: So I think Bolts have won it. It was just
Speaker 5: so so weird, the weirdness of even deverything, because I
Speaker 5: just go hold a guess, could you imagine doing some track. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well he tell or being between Joker and just is shocking.
Speaker 5: That's why I said, what don't tell you something else.
Speaker 5: I think there's gonna be one that love. I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a shocking break that happened. Oh this
Speaker 5: next time I period that plumba sheet, I'll think something smoke.
Speaker 3: And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to
Speaker 3: get Rudy Gobert, yeah dollars, it won't but one first
Speaker 3: round pick, I'll think, give me twenty seven, give me
Speaker 3: twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I want to pick, swap in tween and and hit
Speaker 2: me what you gave me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yes, that's all you gotta be because this dude
Speaker 8: is generation lous so good at fallatain ball, Luke will
Speaker 8: put you out and dare it won't tell me that
Speaker 8: when he's playing at the time he now he playing again,
Speaker 8: she was gonna get your coach, King Joko got that
Speaker 8: quality in the ground as well. You know this, I
Speaker 8: got you on that och Okay, I'm I'm expose him
Speaker 8: over there like he's one of those meeting the games
Speaker 8: he've always Suddenly it looks like I got here coo.
Speaker 2: Though, Like you listen to Sha Bassall he saw it, peace,
Speaker 2: wouldn't Benner? That is crazy but bad think always can
Speaker 2: you don't see it?
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it three times six Man
Speaker 3: of the Year of the oldest man in NBA history
Speaker 3: to have a fifty point game, the only man in
Speaker 3: NBA history to have fifty at least fifty with four
Speaker 3: different franchises, the one, the only. Jamal Crawford, good luck
Speaker 3: next year and calling games on NBC. Jamal, congratulations, John,
Speaker 3: well done. Hey, really appreciate your stopping by the drop
Speaker 3: offer some insight into this big trade.
Speaker 2: Appreciate Thank you'all. Even shout out to my guys and
Speaker 2: John Saonlorady to be a healthy Yeah, thank you all
Speaker 2: right us all.
Speaker 3: Now we're joined by a former NBA Rookie of the
Speaker 3: Year All Star, former Warriors head coach Mark Jackson.
Speaker 2: Mark, talk to it, bro. How you doing? Everybody's great? Bro?
Speaker 3: We cannot we cannot complain. Huh huh, Hey, churin your
Speaker 3: camera on Mark got to pull a shut of sharp
Speaker 3: Aldio only how do I do that? Uh?
Speaker 2: Here you go? Here you are, coach? What's what's up?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 7: And happy problem for y'all.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Mark mar Let's get into this trade, bro
Speaker 3: It came out of nowhere. Normally trades like this it
Speaker 3: had to be a special type of relationship because you
Speaker 3: had to send on it because prior to it dropping,
Speaker 3: there was no win Ad getting traded, nothing about Luca
Speaker 3: getting traded, and then boom, you're trading a twenty five
Speaker 3: year old five time first team All the NBA player
Speaker 3: that haven't even reached his prime yet, or Anthony Davis
Speaker 3: a first round pick and Max Christie. Talk to us
Speaker 3: about the trade. You coached this game, you played this game.
Speaker 3: Talk to us how of the deal like this happened?
Speaker 7: But we don't know the truth of everything. That's first
Speaker 7: and foremost. Uh, this is an incredible deal that was
Speaker 7: pulled off by Dallas maverickan in Los Angeles Lakers, primarily
Speaker 7: Nico Harrison and Rob Polinka. It is in my time
Speaker 7: of playing basketball, following basketball, coaching basketball, it is the
Speaker 7: most shocking trade pulled off without anybody leaking it, not
Speaker 7: anybody knowing anything about it. And then everybody that got
Speaker 7: wind of it thought it was a flute. We thought
Speaker 7: that I got phone calls in a minut expan saying
Speaker 7: this can't be real. Can you can you confirm it?
Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know, I can't confirm it, or
Speaker 7: now it's it's shocking, like you said, a twenty five
Speaker 7: year old guy, five times First Team on NBA Generational Talent.
Speaker 7: One thing I would have done if I was Nico
Speaker 7: Harrison Mack. I'm not minimizing it to Los Angeles Lakers
Speaker 7: and that one troone call. I am opening up the
Speaker 7: bidding for Luca Dontons, letting everybody know. Everybody's well aware
Speaker 7: of what he brings to the table. I got him assured.
Speaker 7: Now the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the
Speaker 7: only guy from the Lakers. I doubt it, and Lisa
Speaker 7: would have made sure the Lakers sent it. Hopefully the
Speaker 7: first round picks in. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: you can't underestimate he got an ELAE first Ballot Hall
Speaker 7: of Famer in Anthony Davis, whose only concern is staying
Speaker 7: health him when he's on the floor. He's a dominant
Speaker 7: basketball player, and I believe it helps both teams and
Speaker 7: the Lakers continue to add. By adding a big both
Speaker 7: teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all. The
Speaker 7: Lakers because they have two guys that can control a
Speaker 7: basketball game at all times on the offensive. N Dallas
Speaker 7: matters because they have a legit big man that prefers
Speaker 7: from his own words to play the powerful position, now
Speaker 7: has two young, athletic, energetic bigs to protect him. And
Speaker 7: then you have a guy like Carrier Irvan who's a special,
Speaker 7: special generational talent in his own right that can do
Speaker 7: some similar things with Luca and can carry them on
Speaker 7: the offense name and create an offense for himself on
Speaker 7: his teammates. Heck, my former leader assistant Pete Mayans, who
Speaker 7: played for the Chicago Bulls, the brilliant basketball mindset. A
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame General madding On once said to him,
Speaker 7: do not make a trade that can cost you your job.
Speaker 7: And that's what Nicol Harrison did. But I give him
Speaker 7: credit because so many guys willing to just cruise along.
Speaker 7: I can win twenty games, thirty games. I could go
Speaker 7: to the lottery time and time. I could be bad
Speaker 7: back out an excuse. He swung for defensive and the
Speaker 7: only gamble. I think he gave up my home run talent.
Speaker 7: But Anthony Davis has got to stay healthy and they'll
Speaker 7: be good for you. Know the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: Hey coach, listen for someone who played the game for
Speaker 1: a long time, for someone who coached the game as
Speaker 1: well as a coach, and you think about that. Just
Speaker 1: want you to put your g M had on for
Speaker 1: a quick minute.
Speaker 2: What can a player do.
Speaker 1: To the magnitude? And whereas that egregious to you trade
Speaker 1: somebody that young, that's that spectacular and brings that much
Speaker 1: to a team, especially from my office, to standpoint, you
Speaker 1: got to talk to me. Just just give me some
Speaker 1: give me some type of better context or context on
Speaker 1: what could a player do behind the scenes that could warrant.
Speaker 2: Such a trade for someone.
Speaker 7: Such What makes it shocking to me? And I think
Speaker 7: that's a great question. And what I don't like is
Speaker 7: all of a sudden stuff come out that didn't come
Speaker 7: out all along. So let's let's be fat in him.
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, right the things
Speaker 7: we know about it can be a better conditioned athlete,
Speaker 7: He can be better committed on a defensive vand you
Speaker 7: can have a better competitive fight and spirit defensively, not
Speaker 7: every fifth possession, every tenth possession. I could show you
Speaker 7: fifty clips of who could donchers more than capable of
Speaker 7: defending and having gain plan disciline on the defensive end
Speaker 7: of the floor. That can show you two hundred clips,
Speaker 7: but he lays down points the thing in blame somebody else.
Speaker 7: I would say to my ownership for my management, that's
Speaker 7: interesting in trading for Luca, Trading Luca dops because of
Speaker 7: those reasons. I would tell him personally, that's on me.
Speaker 7: He's been in this league six years. I got to
Speaker 7: do a better job of bringing that out of them
Speaker 7: and holding an accountable defending at a high level, competing
Speaker 7: at a high level, being a better leader, and that
Speaker 7: that would be on me.
Speaker 2: What about go ahead, O Joe, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: I'm confused.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You think about what Luca is able to do from
Speaker 1: the office standpoint right, and one of the gripes. One
Speaker 1: of the issues that he may have is his lack
Speaker 1: of ability to play defense. But if he is a
Speaker 1: little bit better on defense, coach, wouldn't that takeaway from
Speaker 1: his offensive Sounds like.
Speaker 7: A receiver that didn't want to block, but it wasn't his.
Speaker 3: Get it just he thought, you're not going to you
Speaker 3: on this play. Doesn't it give you a license to chill?
Speaker 3: You still have the responsibility.
Speaker 7: And my job as a coach is who you're accountable
Speaker 7: to that because it's not about you, it's about us,
Speaker 7: and other guys are watching them. If I allow you
Speaker 7: to do that, and because they're rolling one day, I
Speaker 7: allow them to do that. I'm not saying I'm holding
Speaker 7: you to the same standard. I like that in the
Speaker 7: idea were we all have kids, and that's not how
Speaker 7: it works. But I'm gonna hold you to a standard.
Speaker 7: But I will not accept and and and losing. I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna but I will not accept the winning. I'm
Speaker 7: not gonna accept looke. I gotta say to you, you
Speaker 7: hurt that the far have you heard that same?
Speaker 2: I heard it. I heard because guys are watching.
Speaker 7: I can't. I can't now yell at you because no,
Speaker 7: I've been doing this for twenty twenty. I've been doing
Speaker 7: this for five years now.
Speaker 2: You got a problem with it.
Speaker 3: See you never accepted it. Hey, you never accepted anything
Speaker 3: in the wind. You wouldn't a lost it. But here's
Speaker 3: the thing, okay, Jack, you said, is your job to
Speaker 3: hold them accountable for a little bit more for the
Speaker 3: defensive being. Are you holding yourself accountable for his unconditioned,
Speaker 3: his training.
Speaker 2: His eating.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Guess what I gotta I got to go see
Speaker 7: him in the off season. I gotta take a flight
Speaker 7: and go spend some time with him. I gotta send
Speaker 7: one of my assistants, I'm my player development coaches, go
Speaker 7: spend some time with him. I gotta go. I gotta
Speaker 7: send a chef with him. I'm gonna put you in
Speaker 7: position to be successful. I don't want you to just
Speaker 7: chase down being a five time All NBA team player
Speaker 7: or generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry
Speaker 7: at the end of the day. I want you to
Speaker 7: be in that special room with those special guys that
Speaker 7: you deserve to be in. I'm just being there with
Speaker 7: just all everybody else you should he should be. He's
Speaker 7: good enough and great enough to be in the room
Speaker 7: by with just a handful of guy. He's that special
Speaker 7: of the talent. And I'm cheating him if I fall short,
Speaker 7: up holding unaccountable and put them in position to take
Speaker 7: away those those critics.
Speaker 2: Right, you can't.
Speaker 3: I tell my kids this, I can't want something from
Speaker 3: you more than you want it for yourself. And you
Speaker 3: got kids, and you know they've gotta want it for
Speaker 3: themselves as much as you want it for them. If
Speaker 3: Luca doesn't want what you want for him is not
Speaker 3: gonna work.
Speaker 2: It's just won't.
Speaker 1: It just won't.
Speaker 7: That's true. But he is so special and so great.
Speaker 7: You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't.
Speaker 7: He's so special and so great. You average a forty
Speaker 7: point triple double in the playoffs. You are the best
Speaker 7: player in the Eastern Conference, I mean the Western Conference finals.
Speaker 7: You're the best player on the He is a special,
Speaker 7: special talent. I'm not asking him to and I'm gonna
Speaker 7: tell him. I'm gonna push the right a button. I'm
Speaker 7: not asking you something that I believe you can't do.
Speaker 7: I'm not asking you to protect the rim and lock shout.
Speaker 7: I'm not asking you to be a lockdown defender. I'm
Speaker 7: not asking you to be two hundred pounds. Let's let's
Speaker 7: meet somewhere in the middle where now it's acceptable. I'm
Speaker 7: not asking me. I just don't want you to point
Speaker 7: the finger to a guy wide open in the corner
Speaker 7: and you just stand there. You know that's your man,
Speaker 7: and that's your responsibility. Everybody in the reading knows that
Speaker 7: your fault. That shit burn, that shit upsets you. I'm
Speaker 7: not saying that it hasn't happened to me. And seven
Speaker 7: years to play special basketball, and then all these years
Speaker 7: are playing basketball. I got exposed at times on the
Speaker 7: defense bat, but I got upset about it, and I'm
Speaker 7: reacted to and responding to and held myself accountable.
Speaker 1: Listen, Cole one more, one more question, one more question.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right, the
Speaker 1: mental part. As far as lucas concerned, How's he going
Speaker 1: to react? How is he going to Is the trade
Speaker 1: this is a wake up call?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna fold?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: Two things can happen. Most of the time, you think
Speaker 1: your player, you're sitting on top of the world. You
Speaker 1: feel you feel like you're invincible. You know you're making
Speaker 1: good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you get that call, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now, what
Speaker 1: Luca are we gonna get from this point going forward?
Speaker 1: Are we getting a pissed off Luca? Are we getting
Speaker 1: a Luca that's gonna fold under the pressure.
Speaker 7: We don't know that Luca that you're talking about holding
Speaker 7: under pressure All he's done in six years is be great,
Speaker 7: be a generational talent. He's been special.
Speaker 2: What what just happen?
Speaker 7: You got late.
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Now getting traded can do something to your mental now
Speaker 1: something I'm talking about the different kind of pressure, pressure
Speaker 1: plan and being comfortable in Dallas knowing you that guy.
Speaker 7: I agree with you with certain dudes because I don't
Speaker 7: care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in
Speaker 7: New England. He's Tom Brady and Tampa Bay Luca doncons
Speaker 7: We're not gonna cheat his talent and his level of
Speaker 7: great He's a special talent. I believe it will elevate
Speaker 7: him conditionally wise and yes, and and fight, you know,
Speaker 7: to fight defensively because he's got a guy in the
Speaker 7: locker room that that's a hero of him that he
Speaker 7: looks up to. Now Lebron James certainly has his flaws
Speaker 7: and times, but one thing he does is take Kevin's
Speaker 7: body and he's an all time great. He's a special
Speaker 7: talent that if you just hang around, you've got testimonies
Speaker 7: from teammates, coaches, He's gonna make you better. And Luca
Speaker 7: Dontis will be a better conditioning athlete and a better defender, uh,
Speaker 7: competitively speaking, because of because of being around Lebron James.
Speaker 3: That's one thing Lebron James will bring to the table
Speaker 3: without a doubt. But you know what, Jack, I had
Speaker 3: a guy to tell me one time. He say, they'll
Speaker 3: tolerate you until they can replace you profession lucas a
Speaker 3: professional basketball player. It seems to me Nico Nico Harrison
Speaker 3: had a problem with him being a pro, which was
Speaker 3: how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player.
Speaker 3: You don't It had to get to a point, Mark Martin,
Speaker 3: You know this having played, Mark, you played seventeen years,
Speaker 3: you played seventeen years, you coached in this league in
Speaker 3: order for you to trade a generational talent because we've
Speaker 3: never seen it happen before at twenty five, the behavior
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, it had to be egregious. There's no
Speaker 3: other way around, at Jack, the other way.
Speaker 7: You're right, that twenty five year old generational talent, we've
Speaker 7: never seen him before. Unless he asked to be trained,
Speaker 7: that's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be tracked.
Speaker 7: He says he's to find his life as a Dallas Magic.
Speaker 7: So there is clearly something that made them pulled the
Speaker 7: trigger and make the training and pick up the phone
Speaker 7: and call Los Angeles. I don't know what it is
Speaker 7: and that don't come out. At some point it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna come out. But but if it don't come out,
Speaker 3: to watch it to come out in the rents. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's too great of a player that you just decide
Speaker 3: him pick up the phone. No, I can't handle the
Speaker 3: think about it when it's likely he fencing intensity for
Speaker 3: forty eight minutes and it's not conditioning.
Speaker 7: Overall, the dude was still a five time first team
Speaker 7: All NBA player and six years yep. So I'm gonna
Speaker 7: live with I'm gonna live with some of that and
Speaker 7: try to make him better. I'm not just gonna pick
Speaker 7: up the phone on a random day and call the
Speaker 7: Los Angeles leter. So it's something that pushed the button
Speaker 7: to make them make this call.
Speaker 3: But Jack my not intil the raised with Rick Carlile
Speaker 3: wouldn't sign the contract extension. You know how hard it
Speaker 3: is to get a generational player. They don't fall on trees,
Speaker 3: and a lot of coaches never get an opportunity to
Speaker 3: coach a generational talent. Rick Carlyle didn't accept the contract extension,
Speaker 3: and he had a twenty two to twenty three year
Speaker 3: old Luca that should have raised the intenda, but really
Speaker 3: raised mine tenda when I heard Nico Harrison say culture.
Speaker 3: When you hear that, Jack, I know you're in tender
Speaker 3: raised too, because we see this with Zion. We believe
Speaker 3: his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. We see
Speaker 3: that with Joel Embiid. We believe his conditioning plays a
Speaker 3: role in his injuries.
Speaker 2: They believe. I believe it is my estimation and I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at this from a distance.
Speaker 3: I believe the Mavericks believe that Luca's condition or lack
Speaker 3: thereof his training, his eating habits play a role in
Speaker 3: those injuries. And I got to give you seventy million
Speaker 3: dollars this summer for the for next summer.
Speaker 2: For five years. Oh no, Jack, I can't do that.
Speaker 7: Oh I could do it. I can't do it. And
Speaker 7: you would do it too. The guy in the top
Speaker 7: five player in the world, no question about his ability.
Speaker 7: The thing I got a problem with is you can
Speaker 7: pat him. Joel Embiid and Zion Wimson. You guys that
Speaker 7: have a tough time standing on the floor. That's not
Speaker 7: Luca's issue. He plays hurt, he plays hobble, doesn't take
Speaker 7: care of his body the best condition physically, doesn't come
Speaker 7: in shape, can't and can't. But he plays. He loves
Speaker 7: to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial
Speaker 7: amount of game. I think culture is the conditioning. It's
Speaker 7: how we act on the bus and how we act
Speaker 7: on the Plane's how we act in the locker room.
Speaker 2: We don't know that story.
Speaker 7: I'll give you an example. Jimmy Butler, report come out.
Speaker 7: Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for hour of everybody
Speaker 7: wait to him. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: That's not on Jimmy Butler. That's all I'm not waiting
Speaker 2: an hour from nobody. That's what happened.
Speaker 7: Reporting the plane is taking off. We're leaving Jimmy Butler
Speaker 7: wait for Jimmy Butler, and you're setting yourself up a
Speaker 7: disaster if you're setting yourself up for a culture that
Speaker 7: allows that.
Speaker 2: No, we're gonna set the tone right away. We need
Speaker 2: this down. And if he shows up to the game,
Speaker 2: he shows the game we're handling. Then, but I got
Speaker 2: a president.
Speaker 3: Are you sitting with Luca when you know he's out
Speaker 3: of shape where you know he's not conditioning properly.
Speaker 7: When you know he's not training properly, the dude is
Speaker 7: averaging thirty and nine. He's the best player on the
Speaker 7: floor every now. So you gotta find other other ways
Speaker 7: to push the button to get him to respond. You
Speaker 7: got to you gotta pull him in the office by
Speaker 7: yourself and talk to him. You gotta pull him in
Speaker 7: office with kyrier. You gotta pull him in the office
Speaker 7: with the gym. You gotta pull him in office with ownership,
Speaker 7: bring in some former greats, bring in Dirk Nisti. Whatever
Speaker 7: trip you got to do to push the button, No,
Speaker 7: whatever day, whatever the trip is, you gotta do to
Speaker 7: push the button. Your job, My job is to find
Speaker 7: that button and push it. Because he is great, and
Speaker 7: he's an all time great. But I want to put
Speaker 7: him in that special room that he deserves to be in.
Speaker 2: I'm not like this.
Speaker 7: This guy's you have get talked up to be great.
Speaker 7: When he walked into this, he was great, you know, don't.
Speaker 7: You don't have to hype him up and talk him up.
Speaker 7: He's great day one. So now let's get you into
Speaker 7: that special room. And it's just something that you deserve
Speaker 7: and you're cheating yourself. Forget about me. You're cheating yourself
Speaker 7: if you don't put yourself in the best possible position
Speaker 7: to get that. Does he want to be in that room?
Speaker 7: You want him in that room? Does he want to
Speaker 7: be in there?
Speaker 3: Because if he wanted to be in that Jack all
Speaker 3: the grace that you mentioned that if the handful of guys,
Speaker 3: did any coach had to hold their hand Jordan Covid,
Speaker 3: lebron Bird Magic, kareem give me some more, Elijah Wan
Speaker 3: the guy, the handful of guy that's in that room,
Speaker 3: did they have to be had with spoon fed?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Hey, do you think a Jack you
Speaker 1: think the culture and where he comes from is a
Speaker 1: little bit different as opposed to all the guys that
Speaker 1: I'm just named and their approach to the game of basketball.
Speaker 2: Maybe that might be the issue, might.
Speaker 7: Have something to do it. But the dude was a
Speaker 7: pro at thirteen years old. He's been a pro since
Speaker 7: he's been thirteen years old. He's a special talent. And
Speaker 7: I agree with you with those guys that you named.
Speaker 7: But there's some guys and I don't have him at
Speaker 7: the top of my head because somebody had to be
Speaker 7: pushed to long some guys, some guys didn't love basketball
Speaker 7: and they're in that special role. Jim Dunlan didn't touch
Speaker 7: the basketball until he got into high school. I believe
Speaker 7: his junior year he was a swim dude. He was
Speaker 7: an He need swimmer, not just it's great enough to
Speaker 7: get in that room. And I believe he's gonna get there.
Speaker 7: And I believe putting on a purple and goal and
Speaker 7: having a new challenge in his life is going to
Speaker 7: get him there. But he also has to have coaches, management, ownership,
Speaker 7: leadership in that in that locker room that holds the
Speaker 7: macabo and has the same voice as the people that's
Speaker 7: trying to pour into his life instead of high five
Speaker 7: and hugging him and giving him that when he won
Speaker 7: a ball game, so let's talk about you won the game,
Speaker 7: but how about the defensive stop that that that you
Speaker 7: gave up on It almost cost us the game. So
Speaker 7: we can have that conversation too. Got to surround himself
Speaker 7: with people that are not yes and then the whole
Speaker 7: macatable and push Clutton and inspire him to one and
Speaker 7: that as bad as we wanted.
Speaker 3: Short long term who you believe one the trade short
Speaker 3: long term. I love I love ad to the mav
Speaker 3: Kyrie and the pick and roll. Great help defender, can
Speaker 3: defend one through five, tremenducing the pick and roll can
Speaker 3: help with weak side defense. The Lakers got a little
Speaker 3: last on defense. Lebron can't sit in the cherry anymore.
Speaker 3: At forty Luca we talked about that doesn't really want
Speaker 3: to play. Austur reeves people attack him because they can't.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The Lakers got substantially weaker on the defensive en They
Speaker 3: set themselves up for the next ten years.
Speaker 7: Though you can't. You can't take that take that away
Speaker 7: from them. I think both teams are in position to
Speaker 7: win a championship. You're the Lakers. Your next movie is
Speaker 7: your best move. They gotta find a big to clean
Speaker 7: up some of the mess and protect the weakness that
Speaker 7: they have on the defensive side of the floor, protecting round,
Speaker 7: play the pick and roll, hold the fort down a
Speaker 7: little bit as German penetration of affection, and I like
Speaker 7: with the Dallas. I think both teams have helped themselves
Speaker 7: because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is, and
Speaker 7: clearly I already graded enough about Luke the Doctor He's
Speaker 7: gonna be interesting to see how this thing all plays out.
Speaker 7: And I think the Lakers cannot be judged on just
Speaker 7: when they're a championship or not winning a championship. This year,
Speaker 7: they got a generational talent which hard to find that
Speaker 7: puts them in position for Aster Lebron James Lee.
Speaker 3: But let me ask your question. Let's just say and
Speaker 3: now I'm hoping, Hey, you know I root for the Lakers.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping Luca like man, I just caused myself one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen million dollars.
Speaker 2: Everybody believes I could be special. I am special.
Speaker 3: Let me do what it takes in order to be
Speaker 3: in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking around. There's
Speaker 3: only a handful of guys in there. There are only
Speaker 3: a handful of guys that deserve to be mentioned of
Speaker 3: being in there. There are I mean, some guys can
Speaker 3: peep in the room, but there's some guys that's sitting
Speaker 3: at the table in the room. Let me, let me,
Speaker 3: let me get on my conditioning, let me hire me
Speaker 3: a chef. Look, I'm not saying whatever what hey, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying Michael Jordan's more more cigars than any and
Speaker 3: still up with that the and bust and bust them up.
Speaker 5: Mark.
Speaker 3: Some guys drink, some guys can do that. But the
Speaker 3: one thing you know about about MJ. He came into shape, Lebron,
Speaker 3: loves his wife and a car, gets a cigar. But
Speaker 3: you know he don't cheat the process. And the one
Speaker 3: thing about those guys that are in that room, they
Speaker 3: didn't cheat the process.
Speaker 2: You're right.
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan didn't play basketball until high school, but Park
Speaker 3: he was coachable. Park got on him to coach everybody else.
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan when he stepped on that floor, you know
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get. But you also knew he was
Speaker 3: a pro off the court. He was gonna come in
Speaker 3: in shape, he was gonna be conditioned, and he's gonna
Speaker 3: be ready to go. And he didn't have no ticket
Speaker 3: tack injuries.
Speaker 7: It points the finger directed to the player. They gotta
Speaker 7: want it, And I believe that he's gonna be in
Speaker 7: that room because his talent tells me that he's gonna
Speaker 7: be in that room. I believe he wants it. I
Speaker 7: believe the situation will enhance his desire team to prove
Speaker 7: people wrong. And I believe that if you are a
Speaker 7: general manager, ownership or coach or superstar player playing alongside
Speaker 7: of him. You also have the responsibility to hold him
Speaker 7: an accountable and to deliver the message to him when
Speaker 7: he's falling short from that. And I believe he's gotta
Speaker 7: be able to be mad enough to empower those people
Speaker 7: to do exactly that, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: I know they want what special me, They want one
Speaker 7: special me, and it's gonna be much best for this team.
Speaker 7: And ultimately I'm gonna be in that world. But he
Speaker 7: doesn't want to do is what you talk about. Put
Speaker 7: his head peeking in that room and then he get
Speaker 7: most countily, No, he deserves to be in that room
Speaker 7: constantly because his talent tells us.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the other trade that happened today.
Speaker 3: De Aaron Fox going to the San Antonio Spirst, Zach
Speaker 3: Levin going to the Sacramento King. It seems now it
Speaker 3: seems not guys will sign that first extension, get that
Speaker 3: guaranteed money, and then after that, Yeah, they're on the hood.
Speaker 3: You see Defox, he's on his way to San Antonio.
Speaker 3: He wants to play with Wimby nice squad. There you
Speaker 3: see Zach Levine that has been the report that Zach
Speaker 3: Levine has wanted to get out of Chicago for an
Speaker 3: extended period of time.
Speaker 2: He's reunited with DeMar de Rozan and Sacramento.
Speaker 3: You have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, DeMar DeRozan,
Speaker 3: Zach Levine, Demontes Sabonis.
Speaker 2: They got a nice squad, Keegan Murray, they got a
Speaker 2: nice squad.
Speaker 7: What I like about Sacramento is the Aaron Fox obviously
Speaker 7: displayed his willingness to be traded. He let his feelings
Speaker 7: be known, and uh, they made a trade, but they
Speaker 7: didn't surrender the season. They hadn't got a guy that
Speaker 7: can help them immediately. Think a twenty five point score
Speaker 7: on Zach Levine that's proven, that's comfortable playing alongside of
Speaker 7: Demand de ros So. They have crimental play, great versatility,
Speaker 7: great youth, incredible fan base. Then you have some bonus
Speaker 7: and keiging Murray. They have talent that still should put
Speaker 7: them in the mix playoff time in the Western Conference
Speaker 7: and and and still an exciting future moving forward. Whether
Speaker 7: zach Lavine ops and or ops out at the end
Speaker 7: of the year, the Aaron Fox goes to a situation
Speaker 7: where he's playing with a generational talent in Winby, and
Speaker 7: he fits his skill set where he can be creative
Speaker 7: on the perimeter, playing pick and roll with him at times,
Speaker 7: be aggressive as a scorer, at times, be aggressive as
Speaker 7: a facilitator. It's an ideal situation, one thing you touched
Speaker 7: on that I still try to figure out as I
Speaker 7: spend time by myself today. These dudes are turning down
Speaker 7: three hundred million dollars, like give me, give me, give
Speaker 7: me my money, give me, give me my money, and
Speaker 7: we'll figure out anything else. I have three hundred million dollar.
Speaker 7: I don't care how much you made. This is real money.
Speaker 2: Yes, get your money and then find the right situation.
Speaker 7: Don't leave it on it. Don't leave money on the team.
Speaker 7: I play for the guy that gave back five hundred
Speaker 7: thousand dollars in order to be a free agent at
Speaker 7: the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Never recoup.
Speaker 3: And that was that was back in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety Never got back that five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: You can't make it back.
Speaker 2: We talking about now two three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? Get your paper, young fella. I will,
Speaker 7: and I don't want to understate this because fortunately I
Speaker 7: don't know a lot about this, and and shining you
Speaker 7: don't know enough a lot about this. But my guy
Speaker 7: chat Olt, your signal knows enough about it.
Speaker 2: That's news.
Speaker 7: It can be frustrating at times. At times. I watch
Speaker 7: about Jack. I watched it, and I've seen the frustration
Speaker 7: I seen. I've seen it running routes and playing for
Speaker 7: you know, it was tough at time, and I was
Speaker 7: thrilled and happy. And you got a chance to win
Speaker 7: and be on the right in the right situation. You
Speaker 7: deserved it. So it can be frustrating and wanting to
Speaker 7: accellent at times. But get your money. One thing about
Speaker 7: my guy Olter, he gets it. He got his money
Speaker 7: and he keeps his money. I'm watching you, jee, let
Speaker 7: me ask you this.
Speaker 3: We see these things about Zion, and then Zion has
Speaker 3: had and they even worded his contract that he has
Speaker 3: to be a certain way, he has to have his
Speaker 3: body percent is down and we've never seen it. Look,
Speaker 3: he reminds you of a more explosive Charles Barkley, and
Speaker 3: bark like he had malone. He had those other guys,
Speaker 3: and he said, mos of malone. Rest his soul, said
Speaker 3: Charles you fat and you lazy. You got two things
Speaker 3: you young, you're fat and you're lazy. You got two
Speaker 3: things working against you. And Barker says, you know what
Speaker 3: if they get ten He got ten pounds off in
Speaker 3: like two weeks, and then he got another ten pounds
Speaker 3: off in a month, and before you know it, Charles
Speaker 3: will turn himself into an MVP, one of the better
Speaker 3: power forwards to ever play the game. We see this
Speaker 3: with Joel.
Speaker 2: Ebid when you get a guy in Bad's size and
Speaker 2: people don't realize this. The bigger you are, the bigger that.
Speaker 3: Frame is the wrong way that can hold jack you
Speaker 3: seven foot two, oh, you can easily be four hundred,
Speaker 3: maybe even five.
Speaker 2: And when you get hurt during the season, now you
Speaker 2: can't condition, and so guess what.
Speaker 3: You're still eating, but you're not practicing, you're not playing,
Speaker 3: and so guess what you might be two ninety five,
Speaker 3: three hundred. Next thing you know, you're three ten, you're
Speaker 3: three twenty, you're three thirty, you're three forty, you're three fifty.
Speaker 3: Now you go back out there three fifty and you
Speaker 3: try to run up and down that court, and you
Speaker 3: jump up your need go out your feet, your ankles,
Speaker 3: your hips, what do you say to that?
Speaker 2: Jack?
Speaker 7: Part of it. I blame organizations that allowed him to
Speaker 7: be this way coming in. So I'm trying to be
Speaker 7: your friend and your boy and all love e W
Speaker 7: when you come in instead of saying, okay, these are
Speaker 7: the problems that we foresee. Is what we have to
Speaker 7: do to put your position to succeed from day one.
Speaker 7: I don't care what your bone structure is with your body, fats,
Speaker 7: I know what it should be. They co signed a
Speaker 7: lot of that stuff initially with Zion Williamson saying he
Speaker 7: was heavy boning, you know, and he can only get
Speaker 7: down to a certain boyt of way. No, he's he's
Speaker 7: a he's an incredible young man. He's an incredible talent.
Speaker 7: And you look at his body now, it's different than
Speaker 7: when he came in. So he certainly has a desire
Speaker 7: to get better. I think the biggest, biggest thing for him.
Speaker 7: You compare them to Charld Cockley, and the bodies were similar,
Speaker 7: but Charles Coffley from day one had to jump. He
Speaker 7: was shooting threes back in eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty so,
Speaker 7: so he was a skill overweight uh performer on the
Speaker 7: basketball flow who had rains Zion Williamson. You're playing against him,
Speaker 7: you can dare him to shoot the jumper. Now can
Speaker 7: he hit it? Yeah, once in a while, and I'm
Speaker 7: saying it's restructed because he's a great player, but he
Speaker 7: has a flaw that can be exposed on the defensive
Speaker 7: side of the floor. You're going against him, especially in
Speaker 7: a playoff series, so that he's got to spend time
Speaker 7: to enhance and protect that side of the floor. And
Speaker 7: it's range. Because he puts his head down, he gets
Speaker 7: anywhere he wants. So now you add a decent jumper
Speaker 7: to that. He's a he's a he's a nightman for
Speaker 7: anybody who defense. We're told about elite players that have
Speaker 7: that have opportunity to make the infernt on this game,
Speaker 7: and it should hurt them when they don't because they're
Speaker 7: not in the best shape they could possibly be in.
Speaker 3: I still never understand Rudy Gobert got traded for four
Speaker 3: first round picks. Luka Dante got traded for Anthony Davis
Speaker 3: in one first round pick. I don't know who did. Hey,
Speaker 3: Nico Collins Buss knows something we don't. But Nico has
Speaker 3: excuse me, Rob Poliker says, thank you. Just imagine that
Speaker 3: you sitting at home and got a call you're interested
Speaker 3: in Luca. Heck yeah, tell YEWN. So you don't even
Speaker 3: have to work. You can win Executive of the Year
Speaker 3: just because you've picked up the phone. Right, Hey, what
Speaker 3: what statue? What statue out front?
Speaker 2: You want for Luca?
Speaker 3: I tell you whatever you need, Hey, Jack, whatever you need,
Speaker 3: what you need we're talking about We talking about the
Speaker 3: guy thats just after Lebron. He's gonna still be playing.
Speaker 3: I don't get I don't care how much time you
Speaker 3: get Lebron. Luca Doctors will still be your franchise player
Speaker 3: when Lebron asks the building. And that's what you need.
Speaker 3: If you're a Lake, if you're a Lakers, you gotta
Speaker 3: have franchise players. They started with Will, with Kareem Shaq, Lebron,
Speaker 3: and now they got Luca. So they just continue to
Speaker 3: strength this, uh, this stream of getting elite, multi talented
Speaker 3: great players to keep this thing for the Lakers going. Jack,
Speaker 3: we got to get you out here on that well.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreci
Speaker 3: your appreciate your insight and talking about this trade and
Speaker 3: the other trades, Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach
Speaker 3: Lavine going to Sacramento Kings.
Speaker 2: We'll see you down the road. I appreciate you, Bro,
Speaker 2: thanks for having me. Legend Oh Joe Luka.
Speaker 3: Doncic made his debut for the Lakers, has not played
Speaker 3: since he injured that calf muscle. On Christmas Day, the
Speaker 3: Lakers defeating the Jazz one thirty two, one thirteen. Luca
Speaker 3: was warming up. Excuse me, Lebron was warming up with
Speaker 3: Lucas T shirt. They placed the seventy seven T shirt
Speaker 3: on all the chairs within the stadium and the pregame,
Speaker 3: Lebron told Luca, Luca be your f himself. Don't fit in,
Speaker 3: fit the f out the Lakers, who won sixth straight
Speaker 3: twelve out of fourteen. Overall, Lebron James had twenty four points,
Speaker 3: eight assists, seven rebounds, Austin Reeves twenty two points, nine rebounds,
Speaker 3: four exith assist, Ruin Patcha Mora twenty one point six rebounds,
Speaker 3: Luca limited action fourteen points, five rebounds, four sist, and
Speaker 3: God won the two way player at seventeen points.
Speaker 2: The Lakers.
Speaker 3: The last game before the All Star Break is Wednesday
Speaker 3: against this very Utah Jazz team. They defeated tonight up
Speaker 3: in Utah before the All Star break. Let's continue right quick,
Speaker 3: O Joe. According to Scham, the Hornets exploring disputing the
Speaker 3: Lakers failed physical on Williams. The Charlotte Harmon's horners have
Speaker 3: been in contact with the NBA as they explore options
Speaker 3: to dispute the Lakers failed physical acceptsment oh Mark Williams.
Speaker 3: Sources tell ESPN Williams Dalton connect trade was next Saturday,
Speaker 3: and now the Hornet's way avenues to challenge.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that a little later, Oh Joe.
Speaker 3: I liked what I saw. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: like what you saw with Luca and not. Look, it's
Speaker 3: only one game. That's a very very small sample size.
Speaker 3: I like what they Obviously, Luca's gonna start kind of
Speaker 3: staggering because you want one of those guys to be
Speaker 3: on the court pretty much at all time. But even
Speaker 3: if you don't have them on the court, you still
Speaker 3: have a private ball handled in Austin Reeves. So obviously
Speaker 3: Lebron can handle the ball, Luca cann't handle the ball.
Speaker 3: But when both of those guys are off the court,
Speaker 3: if they are off the court. You still have Austin
Speaker 3: Reeves who could handle the ball, who's playing extremely well,
Speaker 3: and so I like what I saw, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of staggering.
Speaker 2: So when Luca goes off the court, Lebron is on.
Speaker 3: Lebron's off the court, Luca's on, or if both of
Speaker 3: those guys are off the court, off the court, as
Speaker 3: I said, Austin.
Speaker 2: Reeves is on. But I like the way they move
Speaker 2: the ball. And if you know Luca, Luca can.
Speaker 3: Get hot and give you twenty twenty five points on
Speaker 3: the corner, but he doesn't have to worry about facilitating
Speaker 3: because a lot of times when Luca was on the
Speaker 3: court before he got Kyrie, if Luca went on the
Speaker 3: hot streak, he still had to worry about getting other
Speaker 3: people involved. You don't have to worry about that. He
Speaker 3: has Lebron, he has Austin Reeves. But I like what
Speaker 3: I saw. And Hayes Jackson Hayes isn't the happiest guy
Speaker 3: because all he's gonna is getting lobbed dunks.
Speaker 2: Now, it ain't gonna work, but definitely did anyway.
Speaker 3: But he's gonna average probably about fourteen points a game,
Speaker 3: getting six or seven lob dunks again, So I like
Speaker 3: what I saw early on.
Speaker 2: Although it's a very very small sample size.
Speaker 1: That listen, Even though it's a small samblicide, you can
Speaker 1: tell that the future is gonna be very bright for
Speaker 1: the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I know people don't want to you don't want to
Speaker 1: get too happy they are playing the Utah Jazz. But
Speaker 1: obviously you understand how dynamic you know, Bron and Luca
Speaker 1: are playing together. Even though the simple sizes is small,
Speaker 1: especially with the IQ that Luca has, especially the IQ
Speaker 1: with the IQ that Lebron Lebron as as well. The
Speaker 1: spacing obviously with Luca and Brown in the court was awesome.
Speaker 1: You can tell that Reason is gonna be able to
Speaker 1: eat as long as as well as everybody else.
Speaker 2: So I'm listen.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the Lakers. I don't think I still
Speaker 1: don't think it's enough to be able to compete and
Speaker 1: contend for a title. I still think they need another piece.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. You gonna you could tell me
Speaker 1: you would know bet better than I can. I still
Speaker 1: think there would be you would need another piece to
Speaker 1: add to them, to that puzzle to be able to
Speaker 1: challenge out there in the way.
Speaker 2: Bitty the big.
Speaker 3: The only the only big that have is Jackson Hayes,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's enough. You only want to
Speaker 3: play Jackson Hayes somewhere between, you know, fourteen twenty minutes
Speaker 3: a night. He's not a guy that you're gonna run
Speaker 3: out there and play twenty five thirty minutes, thirty five
Speaker 3: minutes a night.
Speaker 2: That's not what he is.
Speaker 3: That's not He's not been that player in his NBA career.
Speaker 3: So you probably need another big. That's why they tried
Speaker 3: to change for the Williams kid. But as I was
Speaker 3: reading earlier, O Joe, he failed a physical go ahead, And.
Speaker 1: Now I have a question when it comes when it
Speaker 1: comes to feeling on physical is it du pass injuries
Speaker 1: or does he actually have an injury right now to
Speaker 1: where he couldn't pass it?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what that works? Oh sure, you know
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 3: When they bring you in there, they test you out,
Speaker 3: They start pulling on your joints and your shoulders, and
Speaker 3: you need and twist. Oh right, Uh, it's you. Okay,
Speaker 3: They give you MRI, they give you all, you know,
Speaker 3: all that other stuff. But here's a guy that's been
Speaker 3: you know he kind of has a injury yestory. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I don't know what why y'all so anxious to
Speaker 3: get up up If he's so good, y'all welcome been by,
Speaker 3: right right, clear.
Speaker 2: Clearly there's more than what's going on.
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, we thought we had another shooter, uh,
Speaker 3: because we know what Dalvin was he had.
Speaker 2: He's kind of cooled off a lot early on. He
Speaker 2: was he was really letting it fly.
Speaker 3: Had some big games shooting the three ball for the Lakers,
Speaker 3: can put the ball on the floor, can finish at
Speaker 3: the rim. I know the Lakers really like him, but
Speaker 3: sometimes you have to give up something to get something,
Speaker 3: and they realized they needed a big Luca likes playing
Speaker 3: with ver athletic bigs because he can get into the paint.
Speaker 3: He can dish it, dish it a lot of lob dunks.
Speaker 3: Look go look at Lily, Go look at Daniel Gaffer.
Speaker 3: Look at the guys that he's played with. Guys get
Speaker 3: a lot of easy baskets because hey, he's gonna get
Speaker 3: into the paint because he can change speeds.
Speaker 2: He's really herky jerky.
Speaker 3: But right now, I think that's the thing that they're
Speaker 3: missing they're getting better at shooting the ball from outside.
Speaker 3: Gabe Vinson is getting better at shooting the three ball.
Speaker 3: He's finally getting his legs back. Last year was a
Speaker 3: wash year for him, and he's finally starting to shoot
Speaker 3: like the Gabe Vincent that we saw his last year
Speaker 3: in Miami when he really let the ball fly, help
Speaker 3: that team get to the NBA Finals, end up losing
Speaker 3: to the Nuggets. Austin Reeves has been on a tear lately.
Speaker 3: He's been unbelievable. He's just getting better and better and
Speaker 3: better every year.
Speaker 2: Would I be.
Speaker 3: Surprised eventually if he's not an All Star? I can
Speaker 3: see it happening.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be hard because he has Luca and he
Speaker 3: has Lebron on his team. But here's the thing, O Joe,
Speaker 3: he's gonna be getting the third best defender. You've got
Speaker 3: to give one of your best defenders, especially with the wing.
Speaker 3: He's gotta guard Luca, he's gotta guard Lebron. So now
Speaker 3: it's kind of like that third receiver if you got
Speaker 3: two dogs outside that third receiver, like bag, Hey.
Speaker 2: Y'all give me the third or fourth corner. Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely gonna eat now you're gonna eatna eat Ruey.
Speaker 3: There's another guy that's gonna get big because both Lebron,
Speaker 3: because they're big guards can see over the defense, so
Speaker 3: they can penetrate, skip pass, hammer, pass over the top.
Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter to them. And we know they
Speaker 2: both can score.
Speaker 3: Luca has the highest the third highest scoring average in
Speaker 3: NBA history at almost twenty nine points a game, behind Jordan,
Speaker 3: behind Will. When it comes to the playoffs, he has
Speaker 3: the second highest scoring average, behind only Michael Jordan. So
Speaker 3: that just lets you know what a proficion guy he
Speaker 3: is at scoring the basketball. And so you look at
Speaker 3: a guy that's average and basically twenty nine to eight
Speaker 3: to eight, which is crazy, and he won't be twenty
Speaker 3: six until the twenty eighth of this month. So the
Speaker 3: Laker has someone to win Lebron to finally decides if
Speaker 3: and when that's gonna be, because this is gonna take
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure off Lebron o Jo because he's
Speaker 3: not gonna have the workload of having to bring the
Speaker 3: ball up the course. He's not gonna have the workload
Speaker 3: of trying to have to facilitate for everybody else. Luca
Speaker 3: is gonna take a lot of pressure off Lebron. See
Speaker 3: Lebron now play another.
Speaker 1: Two to three years, right, you know what you're saying
Speaker 1: that we talk about, you know, Luca taking some of
Speaker 1: the pressure off Lebron obviously Luca and some of the
Speaker 1: pressures taking off him as even he is as efficient
Speaker 1: as he is, he had to squad around him that
Speaker 1: where he doesn't have to do all.
Speaker 2: The work he has he has.
Speaker 1: Hella athletes a lot of players around with length, and
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be going to be a
Speaker 1: great addition. I think they just need a big They
Speaker 1: need it big, and if they get it big, now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many how many viable options out
Speaker 1: there that can come in and and you can plug
Speaker 1: and play and make a difference.
Speaker 3: Right now, now they're not a whole where you can't
Speaker 3: trade for anybody, So anybody's going to be basically streaked
Speaker 3: free agents or maybe somebody get cut and you're able
Speaker 3: to bring the man like that.
Speaker 2: But I know they were looking at back.
Speaker 1: If they're getting cut, there's there's not much they can
Speaker 1: do for you.
Speaker 3: But but no that, but Luca and Lebron can bring
Speaker 3: it out of them because everybody ain't got a Luca
Speaker 3: and Lebron, but you know they were looking at Valanchounis.
Speaker 3: They looked at Walker Kessler, who's on the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 3: But seemingly the Jazz wanted more than what the Lakers
Speaker 3: were willing to part ways with. The only guys are
Speaker 3: out there available. I think that Jabel McGee. I think
Speaker 3: Alex lenn Dwight Howard. I don't know what hold is.
Speaker 3: Dwight probably a year younger than Lebron because he was
Speaker 3: he was in the the the draft class after Lebron. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'm thinking he came straight out of high school. Also,
Speaker 3: so he should probably be a year younger, a year
Speaker 3: younger than Lebron.
Speaker 2: Lebron, but you're only acting can you can?
Speaker 3: And Dwhite keeps himself in great shape, The question is
Speaker 3: can he I believe he can give you twenty minutes
Speaker 3: a night? I and Jackson Hayes alternating, you know there's
Speaker 3: gonna be sometimes they go with a small lineup.
Speaker 2: But the question is can those guys.
Speaker 3: Between the two of them, can they give you twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four minutes a night. I believe they can, but
Speaker 3: they definitely need to remember big Jackson Haydes is not
Speaker 3: nearly enough. Like I said, you don't want to play
Speaker 3: him a ton of minutes. He's an energy guy. He's
Speaker 3: gonna block some shots, he'll challenge some stuff at the rim.
Speaker 3: But he's a good role player. And the thing is
Speaker 3: you don't have to run plays for him because you don't.
Speaker 3: You got enough scoring. You don't need the other guys
Speaker 3: that you have to run play for. You got Luca,
Speaker 3: you got Lebron, you got Austin Reeves that can score.
Speaker 3: You got Ruined, you got four guys that can score.
Speaker 3: Now you need big. I ain't got to run no
Speaker 3: place for you. Get it off the rim, footbacks, lobs,
Speaker 3: Can you rebound? O? Can You're challenge stuff at the rim?
Speaker 3: Because when you give them up Anthony Davis, you give
Speaker 3: up one of the premium defensive players and one of
Speaker 3: the premire defensive players. But he's one of the best
Speaker 3: two way players also that's in the game. But you
Speaker 3: gave that up because he was your last lot of defense.
Speaker 3: He did a lot of covering up. Anthony Davis is
Speaker 3: like makeup and all them that's your fault, the blemishes
Speaker 3: that you have. He could cover it up. And so
Speaker 3: that's what that's what you need. That's what you need,
Speaker 3: is so Knjackson at blocks shots. Yeah, we know, d
Speaker 3: White know Javel McGee can challenge shots. We don't know
Speaker 3: how much tread they got, but uh, look, you don't
Speaker 3: need You're not gonna get a your.
Speaker 2: Kitchen, so who I do?
Speaker 3: So stop looking at something, right, So you just have
Speaker 3: to basically hope that one of these guys that they're
Speaker 3: able to secure can give you valuable minutes because Luca
Speaker 3: and eight and Lebron is gonna give you plenty.
Speaker 1: Now when now, I obviously don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: how basketball works to the extend that you do during
Speaker 1: this during this break, during this All Star break. Isn't
Speaker 1: that the time you want to already have a big
Speaker 1: coming in at that point so you can hit the
Speaker 1: ground running when you come out of the All Star
Speaker 1: break and having a big you know, go to go
Speaker 1: with everybody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the question is is that Rob is
Speaker 3: probably scowling here and they're looking at But like I said,
Speaker 3: there's not.
Speaker 2: A whole lot out there.
Speaker 3: It's not like you got a cream of a crop
Speaker 3: work in a litter, so you only got a handful
Speaker 3: of guys out there. Javel McGee has familiarity with the
Speaker 3: little Lakers. D white House has familiarity with the Lakers.
Speaker 3: I don't believe anybody else is gonna be get cut
Speaker 3: or get on. Excuse I say cut a buy out,
Speaker 3: I see, I don't really see any bos happening. I
Speaker 3: think Alex Lynn is available. He's another big Like I said,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get somebody that's a double double machine.
Speaker 3: Most of the guys gonna have older. Javel McGee is
Speaker 3: a little older. D white House a little older. Javel
Speaker 3: probably can give you, I will say, somewhere fifteen sixteen
Speaker 3: minutes a night. The white maybe a little more sixteen
Speaker 3: to eighteen minutes a night. But maybe that's all you need.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter that they don't give you much on
Speaker 3: the office end of the ball.
Speaker 2: No you got if you don't.
Speaker 3: If Lebron James, that averages twenty five, Luca, that's averaging
Speaker 3: twenty eight. Off the Reeves, that's averaging twenty he Ruin
Speaker 3: that's average sixteen. If that's not enough with today, okay considered,
Speaker 3: hope your bitch gave Vinson can continue to get better
Speaker 3: and better.
Speaker 2: I like this good one kid that I saw good
Speaker 2: one Godwin. The kid that I saw tonight that came
Speaker 2: up the bench. He's a scorer.
Speaker 3: You can tell what he gets the ball's ads. He's
Speaker 3: looking to get to the basket. He's looking to put
Speaker 3: the ball in the basket. So I like what I
Speaker 3: saw with him. I don't want to get too carried away.
Speaker 3: Like I said, Utah wasn't playing any defense tonight. But
Speaker 3: if you look at him, I followed him last couple
Speaker 3: of games. He can put the ball in the basket,
Speaker 3: and he can put the ball in the basket at
Speaker 3: an elite clip. Van Do's not gonna give you much
Speaker 3: on the offensive end, but he's a defensive guy. Phinny Smith.
Speaker 3: He's streaking, he can get hot. He can hit you
Speaker 3: about three or four threes in the game. But you're
Speaker 3: looking for him to defend at an elite level on
Speaker 3: the defensive night. So Van Do, Phinney Smith that those
Speaker 3: are your defensive guys. Jackson Hayes is a guy that
Speaker 3: can challenge at the rim. Gave Vincent he's another defensive guy.
Speaker 3: So look, when you got Austin Reeves, guy's gonna go
Speaker 3: at alstere Reeves. They're gonna attack him. Guys are gonna
Speaker 3: attack Luca. They know Lebron cannot exert that kind of
Speaker 3: defensive energy on a night. Yeah yeah, so somebody's gonna
Speaker 3: have to defend somebody. But you'd have to defend those
Speaker 3: guys also, because you got three guys that can put
Speaker 3: the ball in the basket at an elite level.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I love the way Alston Reeves has
Speaker 2: gotten better, better, better better. We know what Lebron is,
Speaker 2: we know what Luke is.
Speaker 3: The question is can they add another piece, which I
Speaker 3: believe will be a big that can give them enough offense,
Speaker 3: which you don't need much. Can you give us eight points?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: But what we need is defense. Can you rebound? Can
Speaker 3: you defend? Can you challenge? Can you clog the paint?
Speaker 3: And I believe if they get that, I think they'll
Speaker 3: be okay. But this, like I said, they tried to
Speaker 3: rescind this trade. I'm not sure. Look, the guy has
Speaker 3: it had, he's had some injuries, and I mean he's
Speaker 3: a big guy. Oh Joe, he give you sixteen points.
Speaker 3: I think he's almost see a double double, but he's
Speaker 3: injured and most time, every once in a while, if
Speaker 3: they really want a guy I remember, I think was
Speaker 3: last year maybe yeah, maybe a year and a half ago.
Speaker 3: The Warriors they traded for Garrett Payton the second he
Speaker 3: was injured. He failed and physical, but they really liked
Speaker 3: it because they had had him before, helped him with
Speaker 3: right and so they knew if they were getting and say, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, we'll go ahead, don't worried about it. Yes,
Speaker 2: he felt, we'll work with him. We'll let him take
Speaker 2: because here's the thing on Joe, I'm not trading for
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna he injured. And I gotta wait, No, bro,
Speaker 2: I need I need, I need you to get I
Speaker 2: need you to go.
Speaker 3: And I think that we happened with Anthony Davis because
Speaker 3: Anthony was a d was hurt and he was like okay,
Speaker 3: and he came maybe came back a little bit too soon,
Speaker 3: and so now he tweaked that a doctor and now
Speaker 3: he's gonna be out so extended time. And I just
Speaker 3: saw they lost Daniel Gaffer to night. So two of
Speaker 3: the three bigs they lost. Now, hey, go ahead.
Speaker 1: You know, you know it's funny when I think about
Speaker 1: do you think Anthony davis injury history played a part
Speaker 1: in letting them go and not really, not really not
Speaker 1: I don't want to say not caring, but understanding that
Speaker 1: they could get Luca and had no problem letting Anthony
Speaker 1: Davis go simply because of his injury.
Speaker 3: Cause, if Anthony Davis was one hundred percent healthy and
Speaker 3: played all the game like Ac Green, you're not passing
Speaker 3: up an opportunity to get Luca Dontec twenty five years
Speaker 3: of age, averaging twenty nine points.
Speaker 2: A game, eight rebounds, nine assists.
Speaker 3: You're not giving that up. There's never been a trade
Speaker 3: like this before, Oh Joe, There's never been a trade
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: Not it. First of all, is there a trade comparable?
Speaker 1: Is there a football trade comparable to the Anthony Luka
Speaker 1: Danti's trade or is nothing even closer?
Speaker 2: No, because what happened if you go back and look
Speaker 2: at the trades.
Speaker 3: If you say, what about Kareem, Kareem wanted to be out,
Speaker 3: He wanted to leave and come to LA Actually Kareem
Speaker 3: really wanted to go to New York, but he ended
Speaker 3: up going to the Lakers. With that being said, right,
Speaker 3: Luca is twenty five and he didn't ask to be traded.
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis asked to be traded. Guys have asked in
Speaker 3: their prime to be traded. Luca is twenty five, five
Speaker 3: times first team All NBA, led the league in scoring,
Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2: They didn't ask and they moved in.
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot I don't if you really
Speaker 3: think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys
Speaker 3: that you're probably not gonna move in for. You're not
Speaker 3: gonna move in for the Yoke, You're not gonna move
Speaker 3: in for Shay. I don't know if they're moving for
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum because they like that that mesh. But other
Speaker 3: than that, if the Nico Collins would have took that
Speaker 3: to the Warriors and say give us.
Speaker 2: Kd may or Steph Curtz. Step Scheff is not going anywhere,
Speaker 2: Oka Yef, He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: No, Stephan is not going to there. Joe Lukimmer is
Speaker 3: not Joe Lekaim is not going doing that that deal.
Speaker 3: But but we talked about it. What the owners said
Speaker 3: is like, Okay, we put the pulled on miss power back.
Speaker 3: Y'all got too much y'all and where y'all want to
Speaker 3: go and who y'all want and yelling and knowing on
Speaker 3: this agreement that that a that's said shock wave, because
Speaker 3: do you hear all the players talking like, hey, let
Speaker 3: us know it.
Speaker 2: Everybody is touchable, you.
Speaker 1: Know it, lets us know everybody's touchable. But we still
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened. We still don't know exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. Where you're getting off a player that's been
Speaker 1: putting up the numbers, he's been putting up as consistently
Speaker 1: as he has, despite despite the injury and not playing
Speaker 1: since you know, December. Something else is going on behind
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, huh, especially for a player that's eligible
Speaker 1: for a super max you know, five year through forty
Speaker 1: five whatever, whatever, whatever the numbers may have been.
Speaker 2: If you're that good, if that good, how do you
Speaker 2: let someone go like that? What is going on behind
Speaker 2: closed doors?
Speaker 1: Where you let him go knowing that you're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to replace that type of productivity. You're
Speaker 1: not going to but you know, I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you can get something for but it just is not
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 3: Luca doncis this summer's in line to get five years,
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty five, three hundred and fifty million dollars,
Speaker 3: that's seventy million dollars a year. Normally, if somebody's getting
Speaker 3: that kind of man. You don't want to have any questions.
Speaker 3: I don't want no injury history. I don't want a
Speaker 3: guy that I have to motivate to do what he
Speaker 3: needs to do. What second, that's a lot of money,
Speaker 3: oh Joe, and so what A lot of the players
Speaker 3: are thinking, well, right to keep somebody from getting that
Speaker 3: SuperMac contract.
Speaker 2: If I trade him, now I saved. Somebody else has
Speaker 2: to deal with that.
Speaker 3: But still even if you saved, that means they still
Speaker 3: can't get the SuperMac when you once you get traded,
Speaker 3: because now that original team doesn't don't have the bird rights.
Speaker 1: I haven't question if you think of a player that's
Speaker 1: that good, a player that's that dynamic. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: even speaking Lucas you know in this sense that's that great.
Speaker 1: Right with every great player, aren't there some type of
Speaker 1: issues internally?
Speaker 2: Now? I don't think.
Speaker 1: Think about some of the stories, think about some of
Speaker 1: the stories. As great as Kobe was, as the greatest
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was, do you think everything was always perfect?
Speaker 2: Well, there was no injury.
Speaker 1: Boy, because I think that what was going on and
Speaker 1: the issues they had with with Luca, it had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with what he does on the right.
Speaker 3: I think the thing was is that the one thing,
Speaker 3: no matter what you thought was they were too driven,
Speaker 3: they were too motivated, right, they came in shape and
Speaker 3: basketball was the end all be all right, And so
Speaker 3: if you're investing that kind of money, you need basketball
Speaker 3: to be the end all be all. Now, like I said,
Speaker 3: uh maybe, and plus o Joe, I need to wrestle
Speaker 3: some of this power back because Luca is so powerful
Speaker 3: in that organization.
Speaker 2: If I give him this money, he's damn near the owner.
Speaker 1: You don't get made it worse.
Speaker 2: And so that seems to me. Excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 2: I hate to cut you off.
Speaker 1: Do you see the kind of money NBA players make. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, even if he didn't get the super Max,
Speaker 1: he's still making fuck you money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad, My bad, God, dog, get my bad.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's making a few money. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, all the players you know in the NBA
Speaker 1: are making a few money. So now NBA owner trying
Speaker 1: to find a way to you know what, we're gonna
Speaker 1: pull and take some of this power back. Well it's
Speaker 1: too late now, it's too late. Based on the kind
Speaker 1: of money they're making. Everything is guaranteed. Yes, everything's guaranteed,
Speaker 1: because there's really nothing they can do.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing, though, O Joe, the players gonna
Speaker 3: be on their best behavior because three fifty, now you
Speaker 3: go down to two twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Don't do me like that.
Speaker 2: I just said, that's what.
Speaker 1: Nine. What is it that I can't do with two
Speaker 1: twenty nine that I can do with three?
Speaker 2: Fit out?
Speaker 1: I can do just about the same thing.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing that you said with the NFL players.
Speaker 3: What can I do with seventy five million that I
Speaker 3: can do with fifty? That's a bit Think about it,
Speaker 3: and you leave Texas with no state income tax to
Speaker 3: go to New y go to California where there's a
Speaker 3: thirteen percent tax rate. Right, Luca is a global star
Speaker 3: and you gave him up and put him in the
Speaker 3: biggest market for the next decade. This is the Lakers.
Speaker 3: This is what they always do. This is what they've
Speaker 3: always done. Go back and look at the Lakers history.
Speaker 3: It started out when they got Will and then they
Speaker 3: got Kareem. They got Bob McAdoo, they got Shot, they
Speaker 3: got Lebron, they got Anthony Davis, and now they got Luca.
Speaker 2: This is what they do right, So.
Speaker 3: People shouldn't be support The only thing that I think
Speaker 3: the only thing the NBA owners are upset about, Bro,
Speaker 3: you ain't open it up. Do you know what Luca
Speaker 3: would have commanded?
Speaker 1: Or if everyone had a chance to get Ben went
Speaker 1: for four first round picks?
Speaker 7: Four?
Speaker 2: Do you know what Luca dutcha to twenty five year
Speaker 2: old global international superstar?
Speaker 1: So that means that means Nico Collins and Rob Clinker
Speaker 1: had some where they were in cahoots, behind behind, behind
Speaker 1: closed doors, obviously not letting anybody know what they were
Speaker 1: gonna do, simply because it's the Lakers. Where else would
Speaker 1: you want to go but the Lakers, if they have
Speaker 1: to make a splash, they have to have a superstar.
Speaker 1: But the Laker ain't had the best I bet you,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if they had to open this thing up,
Speaker 1: Lakers wouldn't have come close to.
Speaker 2: The best package.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely what Rob Lincoln was Kobe's agent, Nico Kalin
Speaker 3: a Nike work with Kobe, with your work with Lebron
Speaker 3: you see with now Hopefully if people are understanding it's
Speaker 3: all about relationships, I can't.
Speaker 2: Tell her, y'all. Oh, it ain't about this is about that. No,
Speaker 2: it's not Rob and Nico had a relationship. I like that.
Speaker 2: It's this.
Speaker 1: I like this and say, you know, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 7: You know what I do like.
Speaker 1: I like also is we need to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more and I'm asking for this. I'm asking for this.
Speaker 2: We need a little bit be a little bit.
Speaker 1: More active on the basketball then, because now that football
Speaker 1: season's open. Look guess where I'm gonna be at watching
Speaker 1: the game court side. I'm not watching the game home.
Speaker 1: Want for the use some of this night cab money,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to sit court side.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm saving. I'm saving my money where you're going.
Speaker 2: I'm saving now you want to save.
Speaker 1: I'm appreciing you about saving all that.
Speaker 2: I ain't got no big change. I ain't got no
Speaker 2: big eighty four I want. I stopped on night Cap Live.
Speaker 2: I ain't got that five briefless, Wait a minute, hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on. I had to prepare myself for live shows.
Speaker 1: We have a tour. We have a tour coming up.
Speaker 1: So that's my stuff presently for the tour.
Speaker 2: Now I can put that.
Speaker 1: I put that away and that's not coming out again
Speaker 1: until April when it's time to go on said tour. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: you have to understand now, pat Riley and I have
Speaker 1: a relationship. Mickey Rrison and I have a relationship. I
Speaker 1: have a relationship with banned by the Budio. I'm going
Speaker 1: to sit courtside next to the Lakers, next down, next
Speaker 1: to the Lakers, next to the heat bench. That's only
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. That's just I don't no disrespect to
Speaker 1: anybody in his head. I'm not saying it's a drop
Speaker 1: dropping the bucket for fifteen hundred dollars, I could that's
Speaker 1: feasible for me for the rest of the season after
Speaker 1: all start break. Oh well, I can get it better
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, watching it up close,
Speaker 1: being able to talk it. So I can sound like you,
Speaker 1: So I can sound like Steven. I could sound like
Speaker 1: Malika Andrews, you know, so I can sound like uh Perkins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh, all.
Speaker 1: Right, give me, give me, give me three weeks.
Speaker 2: Watch how it sound I am. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I like what the Lakers have done.
Speaker 3: I like Lebron, But like I said, I can see
Speaker 3: Lebron playing two or three years for the simple fact
Speaker 3: the work low that he won the question is his
Speaker 3: mind like you said, because he's Lebron James and he's
Speaker 3: been great since he stepped foot in the NBA, and
Speaker 3: if there's.
Speaker 2: Any point in time that he can't be great, he'll
Speaker 2: walk away. Just like Tom Brady.
Speaker 3: Tom realized Tom Tom Brady great. See people like, well Tom,
Speaker 3: look at Tom's numbers. But Tom, when you are a
Speaker 3: great player, you only get compared to a younger self.
Speaker 3: You don't get compared to the other players. Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: Right, when you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers, they weren't
Speaker 5: that bad, but you're comparing Aaron to the young Aaron.
Speaker 5: When he was throwing forty five touchdowns with four picks,
Speaker 5: he was thirty eight touchdowns with three picks.
Speaker 3: He was this and that that MVP. When you're great,
Speaker 3: it's hard for you to be anything other than great, right,
Speaker 3: and now all the sudden people look at it like, damn,
Speaker 3: I'm a rig.
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3: It's just like when some people having a large sum
Speaker 3: of money and all of a sudden they don't have
Speaker 3: that no more, O Joe. They don't know how to
Speaker 3: behave Like I had all this money, I've had millions,
Speaker 3: hundreds of millions, billions, And now I just got you
Speaker 3: a billionaire.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, all you got this two
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. Who man, two hundred millions me and
Speaker 2: you are two hundred Be like, sign me up. Well
Speaker 2: that's where you've had billions. That's a whole difference
Speaker 1: The volume