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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you URL poolback with us, author, lecturer, researcher on subjects

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Speaker 2: ranging from theoretical physics to megalithic structures, as well as

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Speaker 2: alien abductions. He's appeared on History Channel's hit TV show

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Speaker 2: The Unexplained with William Shatner. A couple of his books

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Speaker 2: include The Lead Skolnen Codex, The Key of Lead Skolnen

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Speaker 2: and also Beneath the Haunted Sky, The Evidence for Alien Abductions.

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Speaker 2: He is with us on Coast to Coast to talk

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Speaker 2: about the incredible Coral Castle RL welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Have you been mister George Nori, the PhD in paranormal himself.

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Speaker 3: It is an honor to speak with you again. I

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Speaker 3: am doing very well.

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Speaker 2: We miss you, my friend. You're one of the best.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you very much. It is always an

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Speaker 3: honor to be on this program.

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Speaker 2: How did you get interested in the leed Skolden Coral

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Speaker 2: Castle case, which is well over one hundred years old?

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Speaker 3: It is the Coral Castle turned a hundred two years

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Speaker 3: ago and twenty twenty three, and for me, it started

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Speaker 3: many years ago watching The Castle of Secrets as narrated

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Speaker 3: by Leonard Nimoy on the show In Search of If

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Speaker 3: you remember that absolute classic television show. I remember watching

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Speaker 3: it when I was about nine or ten years old.

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Speaker 3: And I remember because I was a kind of a

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Speaker 3: sickly child. I had asthma, and I was the last

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Speaker 3: kid picked for kickball. And I see this very small

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Speaker 3: man on TV who was able to do enormous things,

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Speaker 3: and it always fascinated me, and it made me feel

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Speaker 3: empowered that it's not about your size, it's about your

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Speaker 3: intellect that can make up for things. For is this

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Speaker 3: like the ability to have bruce strength with a high intelligence.

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Speaker 3: And I realized when I got older, I had heard

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Speaker 3: about this mystery again, and I thought, oh wow, they

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Speaker 3: haven't gotten anywhere on this. No one has been able

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Speaker 3: to plumb the depths of this mystery to any satisfactory result.

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Speaker 3: And I felt so drawn to this mystery. I felt

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Speaker 3: like it was calling out to me personally too, that

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Speaker 3: it was waiting for me. That's how I felt like

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Speaker 3: this mystery had been waiting for me to investigate it

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Speaker 3: and to cast an eye and see if I could

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Speaker 3: contribute something. And now sixteen years later, here we.

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Speaker 2: Are absolutely Rlis sent us some pictures of Coral Castle

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Speaker 2: that we've got head coast tocoastam dot com under his name.

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Speaker 2: Just go take a look at that. It's an incredible story.

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Speaker 2: How tall was leedskulling it? It's about five to two

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Speaker 3: So the again, the anecdotal evidence always reigned supreme. So

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Speaker 3: he was somewhere I guess between five foot and five

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Speaker 3: foot four inches tall and weighed approximately one hundred to

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five pounds. He was a very

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Speaker 3: short and a very slight man. But they said that

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Speaker 3: he was very strong and that he was always in

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Speaker 3: fit shape, and that he seemed to care very much

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Speaker 3: about that. But he was not a large person. I personally,

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Speaker 3: I make about two of it.

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Speaker 2: And he came from Latvia, didn't he?

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Speaker 3: He did? He was He was a person who immigrated

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Speaker 3: from Latvia. Let's see back in oh I want to

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Speaker 3: say around nineteen ten, nineteen eleven, somewhere in there, and

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Speaker 3: he came to America. He traveled across the country. He

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Speaker 3: life before he ended up settling in Florida and building

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Speaker 2: And he built Coral Castle in honor of his girlfriend,

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Speaker 2: did he not?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think that that case has been reopened, because

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Speaker 3: when I began my investigation, of course, I knew what

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Speaker 3: which really is nothing. It had to do a lot

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Speaker 3: with folklore, with anecdotes, with tugging at the heartstrings, that

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Speaker 3: anecdotal history was easily punctured by someone with an inquisitive mind.

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Speaker 3: And the more I looked into the available information, the

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Speaker 3: more I realized it was all dead ends and smoke

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Speaker 2: Before we get into some of your discoveries, Zrel kind

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Speaker 2: of describe the folks, the setting of Coral Castle, and too,

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Speaker 2: those who have not looked at the pictures what it

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Speaker 3: Oral Castle to me, looks very much like a story

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Speaker 3: I think that's why the story sells so well about

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Speaker 3: the unrequited love aspect of his purpose behind building the

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Speaker 3: Coral Castle. It looks like a fairy tale. When you

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Speaker 3: and you will see these extremely unusual and asymmetrical shapes

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Speaker 3: and they seem to make no sense whatsoever, and they

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Speaker 3: have been sitting there for one hundred years waiting for

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Speaker 3: someone to realize exactly what it was that he left.

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Speaker 3: When you look to your left as you enter the

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Speaker 3: And the north wall is a single block that weighs

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Speaker 3: thirty tons George. That is thirty full sized family vehicles

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Speaker 3: pressed into a block, which he was able to quarry,

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Speaker 3: and then set into place with frightening accuracy, just like

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Speaker 3: the Pyramids of Egypt, by himself, by himself, with no

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Speaker 2: And he always claimed, Daryl that he knew the secret

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Speaker 3: He was rumored to have said that he knew the

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Speaker 3: to anecdotal history, that he was seen many times down

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Speaker 3: the Egyptians. And I have a theory about this. I

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Speaker 3: Edward leeds Goolden built the Coral Castle, and as we

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Speaker 3: that this was in the same tradition as the Egyptian Pyramids.

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Speaker 3: You see the Egyptian pyramids, they have ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics

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Speaker 3: that it's possible that Edward Leidskalmin taught himself ancient Egyptian

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Speaker 2: Why did he take the secret to the grave? Why

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Speaker 3: You know, someone made a very good post the other

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Speaker 3: if we remember that story, we are talking about other

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Speaker 3: And Edward leid Skalin was a person who worked very

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Speaker 3: hard for this knowledge. He worked very hard to build

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Speaker 2: Hence he encoded it, didn't he yes?

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Speaker 3: And so that's what I found when I found the

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Speaker 3: first clue. The first discovery I made was that overlapping

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Speaker 3: the covers of two of his booklets, Animal Vegetable and

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Speaker 3: they created a schematic. On one he has the Perpetual Motion

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Speaker 3: And this was a major revelation and the biggest break

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Speaker 2: I bet now what has become of Coral Castle today?

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Speaker 2: Who owns it? What are they doing with it?

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Speaker 3: I believe it is owned by a family called the

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Speaker 3: they keep the grounds absolutely immaculate. Every time I go

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Speaker 3: They go to great links to maintain the Coral Castle

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Speaker 3: and preserve its beauty. The issue that I have with

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Speaker 3: Is they wish to reject my discoveries because it disrupts

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Speaker 3: about Agnes Scuffs and sweet sixteen and unrequited love and

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Speaker 3: demonstrating for us, and that he left this as a

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Speaker 2: Might there be an extraterrestrial involvement here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that there is, but it is maybe

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Speaker 3: a once removed because I believe the way that the

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Speaker 3: and that is their story, not mine. And so if

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Speaker 3: from the extraterrestrials. And as a person who is a

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Speaker 2: In some areas of Coral Castle echo constellations, star clusters

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Speaker 3: Yes, So again this is my second big discovery was

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Speaker 3: the constellation wall. As I said earlier, when you walk

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Speaker 3: and you will see the east wall, and it has

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Speaker 3: what they call the Mars Statue, the large crescent moon,

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Speaker 3: the small crescent moon, and they have all these arbitrary

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Speaker 3: is they match constellations. And in my book The Leads

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Speaker 3: Calling Codex, I go into great detail to show how

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Speaker 3: he left a sixteen celestial He left sixteen celestial objects

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Speaker 3: the Coloral Castle, and these precisely align with the starmap

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Speaker 3: That's what we've done since the dawn of civilization, right

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Speaker 3: I had discovered, I had to find a match. So

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Speaker 3: this is like finding a fingerprint match and a pile

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Speaker 3: of fingerprints that go back hundreds of years. But I

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Speaker 3: I was able to find that what he carved into

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Speaker 3: the wall was the date September tenth, nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 3: which is the year that he built the Coral Castle.

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Speaker 3: And you only need a fourteen point match for a

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Speaker 3: fingerprint to be considered a match in a court of law.

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Speaker 3: This is a sixteen point match. It is beyond contestation

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Speaker 3: that this is the date that he intended for us

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Speaker 3: to know.

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Speaker 2: Purely remarkable, it really is in how did he do it?

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I believe that the celestial alignments are

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Speaker 3: yet another clue. You see on September tenth, nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 3: it was a very unusual day in astronomy because it

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Speaker 3: was also the day of what we call a syzygy,

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Speaker 3: and this is when three or more celestial objects are

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Speaker 3: planet Venus and the occultation phase of the Sun, which

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Speaker 3: And then the Sun, and then the Moon and then

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Speaker 3: And I realized that this alignment reminded me of something.

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Speaker 3: And what it reminded me of was the trigger mechanism

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Speaker 3: for a gas rifle, which is a magnetic type of

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Speaker 3: weapon that only uses magnetism itself to start the ball rolling. Literally.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at Mars, I'm sorry, if you

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Speaker 3: look at Venus, the Sun, the Moon, and the Earth

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Speaker 3: which is a ball bearing, a large neodymium magnet, a

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Speaker 3: copy of this idea. And in his book he talks

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Speaker 3: And so if we extrapolate that that the Earth itself

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Speaker 3: we generate electricity from a spin, then we must concede

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Speaker 3: then that other celestial objects are also giant magnets. And

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Speaker 3: I believe that the secret of the ancients, in the

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Speaker 3: secret of Edward Leedskolen, was that he was using the

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Speaker 3: cosmos itself like a giant machine, where he would wait

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Speaker 3: until the exact alignment that these tumblers would fall in place,

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Speaker 3: and this exact alignment would happen, and then he would

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Speaker 3: be in the right place at the right time when

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Speaker 3: it did, and he would exploit what appears to be

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Speaker 3: a type of loophole in physics that can be achieved

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Speaker 3: if we are doing things at the right time and

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Speaker 3: in the right place.

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Speaker 2: Other than Agnes r. L. Did he have any close friends.

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Speaker 3: He seemed to have many fond acquaintances. Now I believe

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Speaker 3: that there was a gentleman by the name of Orviel

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Speaker 3: Irwin who wrote a book called Mister Kant is Dead,

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Speaker 3: where he said that he knew Edward Leeds Scolen well,

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Speaker 3: and that he actually observed his methods and wrote a

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Speaker 3: book about it. The problem with the book, unfortunately, is

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Speaker 3: that none of these theories actually work out in real life.

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Speaker 3: They appeared to be his theories of how Ed did it.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that Ed would have let anyone see

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Speaker 3: how he did this, and this actually started a revolution

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Speaker 3: of people losing their mystery about the Coral Castle and

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Speaker 3: embracing the prosaic theory that he did it all with

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