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Speaker 1: From the RAMS facility at Cal Lutheran. Welcome to Between

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Speaker 1: the Horns. I am Miles Simmons, joined by DeMarco far Inde.

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Speaker 1: Rams have a new head coach, Sean mcvayh Yeah, powerful

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Speaker 1: press conference. Um. I love the way he commanded the room. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know we talked about this earlier. I think we

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Speaker 1: were talking about Tom Coffin and the age factor. Yes

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Speaker 1: we were. Yeah, and a lot of people brought up

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Speaker 1: how young Sean McVay is when you see him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's the first thing that jumps out. Wow, he looks

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Speaker 1: very young. But when you listen to him speak, the

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Speaker 1: guy's got a lot of football knowledge. He does. He's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of passion for the game. So I

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Speaker 1: mean all that stuff will translate when you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: front of a group of guys, yeah that want to

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Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl. So um yeah, impressed day

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Speaker 1: one the press conference. Very impressed. Yeah. You know, guys

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Speaker 1: often win the press conference. I mean, like, I don't

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Speaker 1: usually hear you know, somebody's like, oh we lost the

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Speaker 1: press conference today, Like Nan, you know, he wasn't very

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Speaker 1: Like that's not gonna happen. When you're introducing head coach. Fine. Um,

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Speaker 1: but being that as it may, Sean mcvagh thought was

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Speaker 1: really impressive in just the fact that when he's standing

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Speaker 1: up there, I don't think he's thirty, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I you know, when you think when you

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Speaker 1: have a thirty year old head coach, he's the youngest

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Speaker 1: head coach in NFL history, you tend to think that,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm gonna continue to remember that this guy's

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Speaker 1: thirty the whole time. Every time he starts, he opens

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Speaker 1: his mouth, and I didn't you know, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: if the Rams have success with him, say year one,

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Speaker 1: year two, year three, and you actually do get to

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, does the NFL start going that way,

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Speaker 1: because it just totally younger. Everybody starts to trend younger

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Speaker 1: at some point. I know Baseball did it in the

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Speaker 1: front of Okay, I mean why not. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: he's bringing that sort of energy around the building, Um,

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Speaker 1: as long as he can back it up with the knowledge,

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Speaker 1: and he seems like he can so far, and he

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Speaker 1: comes highly recommended from guys that don't really you know,

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Speaker 1: have a whole lot of good things to say about

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that are coaching right now. So

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Speaker 1: when you hear when I hear from my old teammate

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Speaker 1: him unsolicited, that that goes a long way. I know

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Speaker 1: they set it up there a lot. Kevin Demoff said

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Speaker 1: it and less Need set it. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: was teammates with Marshall. Yeah, and I've always talked with

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Speaker 1: Marshall about everything offense. Everything I talk about with offense,

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Speaker 1: I go through him first and unsolicited. When I hear

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Speaker 1: that he likes this guy, that goes a long way

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Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Yeah. So one of the things that

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Speaker 1: got brought up in the in the press conference was

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Speaker 1: the type of people that the RAMS sort of solicited

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Speaker 1: opinions from UM in order to go through this search.

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Speaker 1: So you know, dem Off brought up guys like Tony Dungee,

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Speaker 1: like Bill Polianum, and then of course like a Marshall Falk.

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Speaker 1: So apparently Marshall Falk had dinner with UM the sort

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Speaker 1: of coaching search contingent, if you will, the Less Needs,

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Speaker 1: the Kevin Demoff, Tony Pest stores of the world. So

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Speaker 1: they met all of them with Sean McVeagh, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, Marshall Falk was talking how he went going

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Speaker 1: into that. He told Danny Clappinger in interview that we

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Speaker 1: were doing in this room where we are now, but

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Speaker 1: he was saying that he felt, you know, a little

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Speaker 1: this because you know, this is a young guy and

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Speaker 1: thinking about the NFL and knowing the NFL, how he

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Speaker 1: that a young guy would be the right fit for

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Speaker 1: a young group like the Rams are. But then he

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Speaker 1: said he came really impressed, and he said, and here,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am man enough to admit when I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I called less sane and I was like, this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who could be your next head coach. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's that's big. I mean, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just how much of him being this offensive savant was

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Speaker 1: so helpful to you guys when you had the greatest

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Speaker 1: show on turf. Well, see, I don't want to throw

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Speaker 1: anybody under the bus. I don't think you are. If

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Speaker 1: Marshall was here, i'd bring up the story. But way

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Speaker 1: back when, there was a coach that handed Marshall a

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Speaker 1: playbook and Marshall handed it back and said, no, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm dead serious, dead serious, dead pandit no joke. And

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Speaker 1: I said, and I asked him today, why did you

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Speaker 1: hand the playbook back? He said, just it didn't have

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Speaker 1: rant to run belly this way or zone that way.

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Speaker 1: How are you going to adjust to what they're doing

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Speaker 1: on the other side. So he's looking for answers on

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Speaker 1: when you start to hear that out of Marshall's mouth

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Speaker 1: about Sean McVeigh, it makes sense, yes, that Marshall likes

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Speaker 1: him offensively. Now stepping in front of the room is

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Speaker 1: a little bit different, and I could see why Marshall

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Speaker 1: Samso sitting in the back with Ray agnew. I mean

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Speaker 1: Ray is older than me and every coach that we've

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Speaker 1: older than us. So can you imagine sitting in the

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Speaker 1: I can't. It's beyond me. It's beyond my way of thinking.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that is yet to be determined.

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Speaker 1: That is a work in progress. I mean he is

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Speaker 1: I mean, no coach has ever been hired at the

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Speaker 1: age of thirty. He turns thirty one, you know, in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, think about eleven days, turns twenty

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Speaker 1: one or twenty one. Thirty one. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 1: the point still stands, like, this is a really young guy,

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Speaker 1: and so how is he going to be able to

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Speaker 1: seeing the number. You won't start seeing how young this

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Speaker 1: guy looks. You'll start seeing a head coach. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: so this is maybe a weird thing to bring up,

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Speaker 1: but like when people talk about this age number and

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Speaker 1: I think part of it that I sort of maybe

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Speaker 1: You know, I was very young, and I don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: not necessarily something that I think people would expect that

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Speaker 1: you know, I was surrounded with good people and that

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Speaker 1: I think I've grown in this role in Da Da DA.

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Speaker 1: Not that this is being like a head coach, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost got you. No, It's it's something

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Speaker 1: I do. True, and then when I do it, you know,

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Speaker 1: you people don't think of me as that young, but

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Speaker 1: accept you're not walking in the building with his pedigree. No,

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Speaker 1: And I definitely was. I learned from True Online, watching

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Speaker 1: the coaching search and when you did the whole breakdown

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Speaker 1: in McVeigh the three things you need to know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's been brought up in this business. He's a lifer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got a wealth of resources he can tap into

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Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna be some some learning curve there.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's gonna there's gonna be some nerves when

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Speaker 1: and you know, all that stuff starts to kick in

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean there's gonna be some learning on

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Speaker 1: both days. I can remember the first time Dick Vermeille

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sitting there, he starts to ball, like

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Speaker 1: I look over and I see Orlando pays. Orlando's looking

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Speaker 1: back and he's like, is this dude crying? Like I

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Speaker 1: old hat, okay, when he's in your face ripping you

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Speaker 1: can't remember he's the head coach. That's all all right.

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Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna go aside. But do you remember

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Speaker 1: talking about a guy he actually cut. Really yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how much I like you. Then he started talking

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Speaker 1: passions are intertwined, and your desires are the same. You

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Speaker 1: You forget about guys crying. You forget how old he looks.

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Speaker 1: You forget how young he looks. It's just the message

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Speaker 1: And it really very vermili interesting. When we won the

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Speaker 1: bottom was invested. Yeah, everybody that And that's what he

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Speaker 1: You should have gone to like Africa to found a guy.

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Speaker 1: He's here right now. But I love that their search

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Speaker 1: going forward, and have them meet with Sean McVay before

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Speaker 1: My point is simply this that it was. It was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, having those conversations about which guys you want

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Speaker 1: It's got brought up in the press conference as well.

426
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 1: Guys like de Shaun Jackson, who you know, called him

427
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: was like basically just to help thank him and wish

428
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: him well. I mean, you see these tributes on social

429
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: media all over the place, and it sort of speaks

430
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,880
Speaker 1: to the fact that he was not just I don't

431
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: know a body, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,

432
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: everybody talks about how Jay Gruden is good offensive mind,

433
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: and he is, and I'm sure he is, but it's

434
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 1: not like Sean McVay was just the understudy that wasn't

435
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: really doing anything in the background. You know, he was

436
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: really a part of that and to see the real

437
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 1: good pros that have come out and supported him and

438
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: wished him well and thanked him for his contributions there

439
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: in Washington. I think it is pretty impressive as well.

440
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a rookie, I heard leaving

441
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: Sila guy, but I heard later on because he came

442
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: back to us. Mike Mark slept on a couch when

443
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: I was a rookie when he was just trying to

444
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: break in to the business. And then once you see

445
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: him grow and you start to see him as a coach,

446
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: you could probably tell that guy is gonna be in

447
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: front of a group at some point. He's gonna be

448
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: tapped as a head coach at some point. So I

449
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: bet that's what the other guys are seeing out of

450
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: McVeigh way back when. Yeah, when you can the maturity

451
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: and I heard that three or four times in the

452
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: maturity factor. How some guys can't when they come from

453
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: the field as a player and they go into coaching,

454
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: they can't turn the players side off. Yeah, you know,

455
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: and they might be great coaches, they have great knowledge,

456
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: but they can't turn that side off. But certain guys can.

457
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: And nine times out of ten, those are the guys

458
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: that get interviewed for the coordinating jobs and then head

459
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: coaching jobs. So no shock. If you can help an

460
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: all pro get better, he's gonna love you for life. Yeah. Yeah.

461
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: If you can help guys find the end zone or

462
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: pick up one first down, one more down per game, yeah,

463
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: they're going to love you forever. The hardest thing to

464
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: do to me is to sit in front of a

465
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: room of a bunch of pros and tell them what

466
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: they need to do to get better. Remember, these are

467
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: guys that are sitting on a million bucks. They get

468
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money to play this game too,

469
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: at getting paid more than you as a head coach.

470
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: They think they're pretty good already. Yeah, and you're going

471
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: to tell them that they can improve, right, Well, you

472
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: better be able to stand on that. So when you

473
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: do get that job and you get those phone calls,

474
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: that does mean a lot. Yeah. I think of another

475
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: thing I saw in my research of McVeagh is I

476
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: think Monday Mording Quarterback did an article profiling him back

477
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: in August July whenever it was in twenty sixteen, and

478
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: Chris Cooley was quoted in there saying, man like I

479
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: wish that this guy could have been my Titans coach

480
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: for my entire career because he was so detail oriented.

481
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: He did so much to help me that I could

482
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: have been so much better if that's if this guy

483
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: was with me. And I thought that was really interesting.

484
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: And then Jason Reed of The Undefeated was tweeting out

485
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: a story last night basically, and he's saying that how

486
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: um Jordan read um no relation are eed versus R

487
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: E I D. But anyway, so the title of the

488
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: plug out there throwing the plug out there at miles

489
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: A seven A demo? Yeah, okay, anyway, so he was

490
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: talking about how um Reid would be with McVeigh, like

491
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 1: nights before the games. They were in the hotel and

492
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: they would like set up chairs in meeting room and

493
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: then they would go over the place. This is back,

494
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, from twenty ten to twenty thirteen when McVeigh

495
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: was the tight ends coach. And so twenty fourteen, Gruden

496
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: comes in, Nickveigh gets promoted offensive coordinator, and you know,

497
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: Reid reaches out to McVeigh and he's like, man, well

498
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: you still do this with me even though you're not

499
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: my position coach anymore. You know, you're you're the offensive

500
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: coordinator and he still did so again, it's these these

501
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: detail oriented things. It's the you know, he takes the

502
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: time to develop those relationships with the players and they

503
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: clearly mean a lot to him. And it's all of

504
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: that that I think makes him a really good head

505
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: coach coaching candidate. Right, Well, the essence of coaching is teaching. Yes, yeah, so,

506
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: I mean he just reminds me of a tireless teacher

507
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: that will spend his Saturday's tutoring because he wants you

508
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: to understand the material. He wants you to get better

509
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: as a player. So that stuff doesn't shock me. Um.

510
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: I remember a guy, this is so funny. Name is

511
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Fred Stokes. I think he was in his tenth year

512
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: when I came into the league. So we had a

513
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: new D line coach. I mean, full of just p

514
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: and vinegar. I mean, I mean, I'm just this guy,

515
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: just sandblaster mount. He is just coming at you with

516
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: everything and it's all negative. Right. So Fred had been

517
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: in the league ten years and I think he'd already

518
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: earned a Super Bowl ring with the Redskins. Okay, right,

519
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 1: so we're doing a drill. Fred gets into three point

520
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 1: stance and the D line coach stops a drill and says, man,

521
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you can play in this league with

522
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: that stance, And the whole group just stopped and looked.

523
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: This guy's been playing ten years, he's got a ring.

524
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: You don't think this one can play in What are

525
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: you talking about? I think he can play in the league.

526
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: He's just fine. But from that moment on he lost

527
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: the bets. Of course, that stuff. See, that's that's that's

528
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: a little too much. But yeah, maybe you go to

529
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: friend and try to help him become better. Yeah, if

530
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: you try to give him tips to become a better player,

531
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: you win the room, right of the office. Yeah. The

532
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: other thing I thought was pretty interesting from mcvays when

533
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: he was talking about you know what I gotta do

534
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: all right before we do, I gotta stop saying thing

535
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, like the other thing. One thing, I think

536
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm being self I'm being very self critical right now

537
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: on this podcasts are about halfway through it and the

538
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: DeMarco like starts looking at the camera like in TV's

539
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: like doing a confessional. I don't like, I mean like

540
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: work you in your own time. This isn't my own time, No,

541
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: no is us. This is our time. Work on you later, yes, us,

542
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: right now, go ahead. Well what Nick Vay said, thank you,

543
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting, thank you. That was he was talking about

544
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: being a coach for All twenty two. You know, he's

545
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: an All twenty two player philosophy. I don't think I've

546
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: ever heard somebody sort of describe that in that particularly

547
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: way before. I've seen it once and I'm sure, well

548
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: that's not true, because sorry, coach, if you're coach for Meal,

549
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: I love you to death. But he would come to

550
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: our side of the building, the defensive side, to sleep. No,

551
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: he would. It's not that he doesn't understand defense. Yeah,

552
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: this is not his deal. Okay, he was in there

553
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: for a reason. Because the head coach is in the room.

554
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Everybody sits up straight, you know what I mean, of course,

555
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: but you look back and they catch and zs. He's

556
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: knocked out a little bit different, um, but God rest

557
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: his soul. Denny Green. Denny Green, when I was an

558
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: intern coach when he was in Arizona. This is back,

559
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: and I want to say, oh four oh five when

560
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: he was there, kurten Winner was the third string quarterback

561
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, yeah, John Navar was the back of that.

562
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: That would have been maybe to Josh McCown that that

563
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: must have been a five or six. It was way

564
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: back way. I think Matt Leonard might have been there

565
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: or just got there or anyway. No, he hasn't wasn't

566
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: there yet, but any on your own time. But just anyway,

567
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: being in the room um with Denny Green and his

568
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: coaches watching him coaches coaches right number one, And it

569
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: almost talked me out of coaching. Really why because it

570
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: was brutal. Man, Huh. If you think he's hard on players, no,

571
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: he's twice as hard on coaches, okay, And I think

572
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: that's universal because it's the coach's job to teach the players,

573
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: right yea. If the players screws up, it's something the

574
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: player's fault. It's your fall because you taught him wrong, right, Okay.

575
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: But I literally he could coach all twenty two. He

576
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: could coach any position. You can make him a corners coach, yeah,

577
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: he'd have great corners. You can make him a running

578
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: back coach, he'd have great running backs. The guy just

579
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: has a complete knowledge of football. I think those guys

580
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: we've kind of gotten away from that. Yeah, in professional football,

581
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: I think so too. This could be a return to

582
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: that sort of guy where you can coach everything well.

583
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the appeal, right, because

584
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: what he was saying in context was that he was

585
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: talking about John Gruden and said John Gridden was sort

586
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: of one who taught me to see football from a

587
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: twenty two position perspective. And I don't ever necessarily remember

588
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: hearing that it said in that particular way. Now that

589
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that, you know, other coaches don't see the

590
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: game like that, or some coaches are just defensive guys,

591
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: offensive guys whatever, And there are different ways of being

592
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: a head coach. But I think for him as an

593
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: offensive guy and someone who received the offensive endorsement of

594
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: someone like a Marshall Fall, it's really interesting for me

595
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: to hear him talk about Okay, it's not you know,

596
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: like I'm not just the offense guy. You know, there's

597
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: twenty two positions on offense and defense combine, and all

598
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: of them are important. Yeah. Well, look, if you're trying

599
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: to attack a defense, you're going to have respect for it.

600
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Like he said in his press conference, he looks for

601
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: new and different ways to attack defense, yes, which means

602
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: he studies that side of the ball. He has a

603
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: lot of respect for what they do on that side

604
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: of the football. I think that's important. I think there's

605
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of arrogance that happens when either hire

606
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: a defensive guy or just an offensive guy that I

607
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: run this side of the room and that's it, right.

608
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: I can score points and that's it. Or I can

609
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: keep people from scoring and that's all I know how

610
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: to do. Everything else is up to that guy. Well,

611
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: when you have a complete football coach leading your football team,

612
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: it's it's going to make you better. Yeah, absolutely, yes,

613
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: So as we we've talked a lot about the offense,

614
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: but you know, defensively, man, I Waited Phillips had a

615
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: heart attack, heart attack. I love Waite Phillips in a

616
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: good way, like the heart attacks. I'm a Phillips fan,

617
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: going all the way back to his dad, Bum Phillips. Yes, yeah,

618
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: and Houston because of Earl Campbell. That's where I started

619
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: with the Phillips, the Phillips people. But he's a three

620
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: four coach. He is a three four coach. Traditional. That's

621
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: like speaking Latin to me. I mean, whoa whoa whoa

622
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa but but but but um schematically Robert

623
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Quinn could be your your Terrell sugs, so to speak.

624
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: He can stand him up, you can put him down

625
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: in third down situation. Good after the quarterback. Um. So

626
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't shot, That doesn't scare me at all. The

627
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: one thing I was worried about, and you know what

628
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting absolutely because it would be the one thing

629
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: I'd be worried about too. What happens to Aaron Donald

630
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: absolute nine. Yeah, yes, because I saw what happened to

631
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Darneld Dockett in Arizona. Darneld Dockett was a Pro Bowl

632
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: three technique for the Cardinals and then they went to

633
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: a three four and you just lost it, right in

634
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: my opinion, he lost some of his effectiveness. So when

635
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: I heard that the Rams are going to a three four,

636
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: I worried about Aaron Donald. Well, I hear that you

637
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: can still use a three four and have a three technique. Yes, yeah,

638
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: So then that's that's sort of the point I want

639
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: to get out here. Yes, is because you know, even

640
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: though you're bringing in a Wade Phillips, who I think

641
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, we can say he's one of the best,

642
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: if not the best, defensive coordinator in the entire now football. Yes,

643
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you know he's had I think it's been in the league,

644
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: what thirties as a coordinator or head coach, thirty eight years,

645
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: A lot longer than I've been, a lot longer than

646
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: Sean McVay. He started his first year in the NFL

647
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: as a D line coach for the Houston Oilers. Wade

648
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: Phillips was ten years before Sean McVay was born, right,

649
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six. Yes, so like he has forgotten more

650
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: football than I will ever or No, I don't think

651
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: he's forgotten any well, he probably. But the thing is

652
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: to get back to Aaron Donald. Is that mcveay, you know,

653
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: sitting in this room, was saying, Aaron Donald is probably

654
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: the best three technique in football. I'm not going to

655
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: come in here and tell him to not be a

656
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: three technique. Why would I do that? So what the

657
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: thing about Wade phillips defensive scheme is that even though

658
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: it's a three four, there are elements of it that

659
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: are more or less like a four three. So you've

660
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: got the weak side end that is sort of stand

661
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: up and that maybe a perfect role would be a

662
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn type, right, and then you've still got the

663
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: rest of your line that would then line up and

664
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald can still be a three technique and still

665
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: do what we are really used to seeing him do.

666
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: So quarterbacks, yes, all the time, hit quarterbacks, you know,

667
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: whatever he needs to do. It's one of these things

668
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: where McVey has talked a lot about fitting this scheme

669
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: to his player's strengths, and he set it for both

670
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: sides of the ball and looking at Wade Phillips and

671
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: what Phillips has been able to do in this league,

672
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: that's something I think he's done for a long time.

673
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, JJ Watt has changed three fours. Yeah,

674
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: you can be a terror from a three four. Three

675
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: four is where defensive linemen used to go to die.

676
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: All you're doing, all you're doing is basically holding up

677
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: guys for linebackers to make Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

678
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: Watt has kind of changed things. Yeah, And we've seen

679
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: Aerondeld line up on tackles and b we have. We've

680
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: seen him line up in a five technique or even

681
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: as wide as the nine, all the way on the

682
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: outside and get to the quarterbacks. Not often, but we've

683
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: seen it. If you can play you can play. So

684
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: look three four is just how you start. Once the

685
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: ball snap, you go play football. We always say this,

686
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: this is a rule and you'll love this. Okay. Your

687
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: first step or your first two your first two steps

688
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: are always for the defense called as a player. So

689
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: when you put your hand down or you getting your

690
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: defensive stands first, your first two steps are for the

691
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: defense called that's why I can't play defense. Why what's

692
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: the next what are your next steps? Your first two

693
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: steps or your responsibility? Right, and then go play ball? Really, yes,

694
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you have to be able to do better than that. No,

695
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: your first two steps are for the defense. Call that's it.

696
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: That's it, and then go you that see and this

697
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: is okay. We talked a little bit about this before,

698
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: how I could not play defense when I was in

699
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: nice school. Yeah, like you you know, it doesn't surprise me.

700
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: I know it doesn't surprise you. This is why I'm

701
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't know defensive players are born. I'm I know.

702
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a reporter and you're a former player

703
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: because I'm like six foot you know what, however many

704
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: pounds right? And like you are, aren't you do it?

705
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: Offensive lineman? Do you know I Honestly, I cannot wait

706
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: to just have a chance to pick mcveigh's brain, like

707
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I hope we get to do it on podcast at

708
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: some point. Go find the ball and tackle it. It's

709
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: not that hard, no, But if you're talking about you

710
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: only take the first two steps or the player whatever

711
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: it is, that means everybody on the same page. No freelancers, Yeah,

712
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: no freelancercept for number ninety nine. If you make plays

713
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: production nickeual tolerance. But your first two steps are for

714
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the defense hard, right, and then you find the ball,

715
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: go tackle. Yeah. That's that's every defense known to man.

716
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: Three four or four three Yeah, whatever you have, Okay, fine,

717
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: as long as it's being coached properly and you're not

718
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: coaching the reaction out of the player, right, yeah, how

719
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: to read and react exactly. But he's got to have discipline, right,

720
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: he's got to be disciplined for the defense and what

721
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: you just call to make sure it sound. But once

722
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: you take those two steps and you find ball, fly

723
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: to just get to it. Get to just get there right,

724
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: all right. So what I was looking at for all

725
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: my phone was there was a quote that Wade Phillips

726
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: had about his offensive excuse me his defensive philosophy that

727
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: he said. It got this from the Denver Post. It

728
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: was an article that was posted just before Super Bowl

729
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: fifty last February, and he was saying, was we try

730
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: to fit what the players can do in the defense

731
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: rather than saying, okay, we're a four to three or

732
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: a two gap three four, we're a team where if

733
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: a guy can stunt and rush the passer, we let

734
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: him do that. If a guy is a power guy,

735
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: we try to let him be that. It's all what

736
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: individual players can do, right, So does that make you

737
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: feel better? Oh? Well it does. I mean, if you

738
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: want to bring a three four, a two gaping three four,

739
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: I think the only guy let's really that fits that mold.

740
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Maybe two guys Cam Thomas could be a two gap.

741
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: It could be your nose tackles. If you want to

742
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: slide Michael Brockers out to a five, because we've always

743
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: said Michael Brockers is suited to be a five, guess

744
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: what you're in now? So um, yeah, and you've got

745
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: the edge rusher in Robert Quinn. If he stays healthy,

746
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: he well, that's that's a that's a big f it is.

747
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: But if he's on the field. It changes that defense,

748
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it changes that offense you're playing when he's

749
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: on the field, and it always has. Yes. So I

750
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: think one of the things now that we're going to

751
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: have to look at, as I use my verbal crutch

752
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: once again, is how players are going to be able

753
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: to fit this, even those players that are free agents.

754
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, you've got some big free agents coming up

755
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: for the Rants, particularly on defense, with guys like a

756
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: true main Johnson, with a t J McDonald. Um, those

757
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: guys in particular, you got, you got a hope that

758
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: you can get them to stick around and to buy

759
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: into this because I think for what Wade Phillips would

760
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: want to do, they're going to be very important. Get

761
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: what you can get a look player first, right, So

762
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: get what you can get, find the right fit for you.

763
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: If you're Tremaine Johnson, Yeah, and I I wholeheartedly endorse that,

764
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: because you're a player and you only have a certain

765
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: amount of time in this league and you gotta get

766
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: your you gotta get what you can get. Yeah, while

767
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: you can get it. Um, but if you go back

768
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: to what twenty fourteen and think about that secondary and

769
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: then think about it, if you lose Tremaine and t J. Yeah,

770
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: that's your entire secondary. YEA, in the span of two seasons.

771
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to hold on to some

772
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: of your good players in the back end and the

773
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: guys they brought up. LaMarcus Joiner has been a godsend.

774
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: He's been a fine But you've got proven guys in

775
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: the secondary that you might want to try to keep

776
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: in a Rams uniform. I agree. Now everyone has to

777
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: be on board with that. Yeah, some guys are searching

778
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: for the most amount of money they can find. Some

779
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: guys are searching for the right fit. So from my perspective,

780
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: the right fit is right here, but there could be

781
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: other spots where you get more money and you like

782
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: where you're going. So yeah, it is what it's. Free

783
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: agency is a crapshoot, But I hope you keep those

784
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: guys in uniform. I would agree with you. One of

785
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: the one of the guys that we'll be sticking around

786
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: that we know we'll be sticking around as a coach,

787
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: and that is Bones Fossil. John Fossil will be with

788
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: the Rams continuing as a special team's coordinator. And I

789
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: think that's just one thing that everybody is really positively

790
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: happy about Yeah, I'm happy. I love his coverage units. Yeah,

791
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: I love the way a punt cover has been great.

792
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: The punt team has been very creative. Johnny Hecker is

793
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: the best punter in the league. If I'm Bones Fossil,

794
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is leave that guy. Yeah. Yeah.

795
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: And if I'm Johnny Hecker, the last thing I want

796
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: to do is lose my special team's coach. So yeah,

797
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: that was a no brainer. Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah,

798
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: as soon as what happened happened with coach Fisher, we

799
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: all thought he's going to be the guy, and sure enough,

800
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: it turned out to be that guy. Yeah, just like

801
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: a Sean McVay. You can tell those guys that have

802
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: that quality of the factor. He was the pick on

803
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: this staff. Makes sense, And you know, it was one

804
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: of those things where at first press conference it was

805
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, you know, like man, because you

806
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: know the kind of person that he is, and you

807
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: wanted to see him succeed in it and in the

808
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: role I guess you would say, and you know you're

809
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: looking at him and it was an overwhelming day. I think,

810
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, because usually you don't have the situation where

811
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: all right, you know, you've got the coaches being let

812
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: go and then you got to go practice all the

813
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: same day, and it was became that because you know,

814
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: you're playing on a Thursday night, so you have to

815
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: practice on Monday. So I think the way he was

816
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: able to handle it despite the fact you know that

817
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: the Rams didn't win a game, I think you know

818
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the games are what they are once you let go

819
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: over coach, right, So I think just him and his

820
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: attitude and his positivity and sort of keeping that continuity,

821
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of continue for the staff. I

822
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's a bad familiar face. Remember, I mean,

823
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't think outside of the the former head coach.

824
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody on this staff knows this team

825
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: like bones Fossil. He talks to me, true, he talks

826
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: to the entire roster. So if you're an incoming coach,

827
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: that knowledge is invaluable. Makes sense to keep him around.

828
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: Um funny. I had a cousin that shared a room

829
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: his entire life. The older brother had his own room.

830
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Older brother gets in an argument with his mom. Mom

831
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: throws him out, not really, but just throws him out.

832
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: O symbolically throws him out, says to the little brother,

833
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: now you have your own room. How do you think

834
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: he felt? Probably very confused. Now this sounds awesome to me.

835
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: I would love to have child, But your oldest brother's

836
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: being thrown out. But I can't. You know. It's funny

837
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like I'm the type of person because I grew up

838
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: the way I grew up, you know, like I'm an

839
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: only child. That so what I'm saying. My first friend

840
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: was Nathan. This is good good friend we did. I

841
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: remember going to SeaWorld. It's one of my first memories.

842
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: We went to SeaWorld in Cleveland, Okay, Yeah with Nathan, Yeah,

843
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: and his little brother, Danny and Danny him. I mean,

844
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: we're like, we're friends. On faceted memory would say, it's

845
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: a wasted talk to who are going to talk to

846
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: SeaWorld about? I don't know. See, that's what I mean,

847
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: wasted memory. Call those people. Yeah, Facebook, there you go,

848
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: come on hook up with them anyway. I gotta do it. Anyway.

849
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about on this subject. I don't remember. Yeah,

850
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, I don't know. Let's talk about playoff games. Yeah,

851
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: last week, last week, you were wrong about Oakland that

852
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: was three and one. You were right about all of

853
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: the other ones. Yeah, you were totally wrong about it.

854
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 1: You picked Oakland. I was feign out. Now I picked Houston.

855
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: You picked Oakland. You picked Houston to beat Oakland. I

856
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: picked the Raiders. That's right. I'm sorry, because why would

857
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: you pick a team that rookie quarterback going for its

858
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: first you know, in its first time. I guess car

859
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: is better than we thought. How was he better than

860
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: you thought? Not better than I thought. I knew how

861
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: good he was, but my goodness, I mean that's a

862
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: huge drop of yeah him to the other guy, because

863
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: Connor Cook was that was his first ever NFL STA

864
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: it looked like it. Yeah, well, I don't know what bay.

865
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for del Rio. I mean, that

866
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: was your one, This was your squad, this was your opportunity. Yeah,

867
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: and wow, you lose your best you lose your best player. Yes,

868
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: that told me that Carr is your best guy. He

869
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: should be your best guy, right right? If you get

870
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: beat by Houston and you're only missing one gay Houston.

871
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: But Houston is like Houston is one of those teams though,

872
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: where all if they get enough, they can win. You

873
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean get enough what points? Yeah? Because

874
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: of their defense, true, yeah, yeah, and they have the

875
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: number one defense in terms of you think the entire

876
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons they have the Patriots, right, yeah? How close

877
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: do you think they'll come to beating the Patriots? I

878
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: think it'll be thirteen to like seventeen to I don't

879
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: know it's gonna no, no, no, no, I think it'll

880
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: be like thirteen oh no, no, no, wait, I'm sorry.

881
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: I think it'll be like a thirteen to twenty game,

882
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: or like, I don't know, thirty to thirteen. Like, if

883
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: all you're sporting is a pretty good defense, I think

884
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: you got problems against the Patriots, absolutely, but I think

885
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots offense also hit some issues. What are the

886
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: issues they don't have? Grounk? Yeah? Is Tom Brady still

887
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: suiting up? Yeah? Just fine? Okay, Yeah, I mean they

888
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: did have an extra week to prepare, so they'll be

889
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: our all right, So you were picking we're both picking

890
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: New England in that game. Obviously, Is anybody picking Houston?

891
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know that. I'm just kidding.

892
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: All right. Then that's a second game on Saturday night

893
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: by fifteen Pacific. But first game is Seattle Atlanta. This

894
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: is the one that I'm really looking forward to this weekend,

895
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: and I sort of wish it were not. Well, actually,

896
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to all these pick who are you

897
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: rooting for? Root? Who are you rooting for in this game? Yes?

898
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: Who do you want to win this game? I don't know.

899
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: I just want to see a good game. I mean, like,

900
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: I like the story of Dallas. I think that's a

901
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: cool story. No, I'm sorry, what am I doing? Um? No,

902
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: I definitely want Atlanta to win this you want to

903
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of rooting for Matt Ryan. Yeah, I mean

904
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan. I mean I just from all

905
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: the talk about Matt Ryan can't win in the posts, Yeah,

906
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: and then to see how he played here in the

907
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: coliseum without Julio Jones, I thought, if it's not going

908
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: to be this year, it's not going to be ever

909
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan, right, So I'm kind of rooting for

910
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan and Atlanta this year. I'm too. You know.

911
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: The funny thing about this game is it was one

912
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: of those games where, you know, in the beginning of

913
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: the head coaching search, we all thought, okay, well this

914
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: is the day. Yeah, you know, because of who he is.

915
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: But maybe the Rams will be able to get a

916
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: coach Monday if they lose that Rams already have a coach, right,

917
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: so now we don't really have to worry about that.

918
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: But I think Shanahan's offense against that defense, especially Seattle's

919
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: defense without Earl Thomas, they don't have that middle of

920
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: the field defense like they usually do. Yeah, you know

921
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that could be an issue, especially

922
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: with the Julio Jones in the middle of the field,

923
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: No doubt that's that could be a real issue, you know.

924
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: And the game is in Seattle, no game in Atlantic. Yes,

925
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett still healthy, I believe. So then I'm taking

926
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Bobby Wagner still healthy. Yeah, then I'm taking

927
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense. Interesting, yeah, but I'm rooting for Atlanta.

928
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm got to see if they can actually get over

929
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: the hump. But I'm taking Pete Carroll and that defense

930
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson to beat in Atlanta. All right, So

931
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: we're on opposite side of this one, all right. Next

932
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: one Green Bay at Dallas. That is now one forty.

933
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: You're taking Sunday. You're taking Dallas. I know you are.

934
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: You're going with the story. No, I'm not. You're going

935
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, have you seen you're lying? I

936
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: just talked to you in the No, you did not.

937
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: You were all Dallas on the way over here. I

938
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: was not afraid to take swear you're afraid to take Dallas. No,

939
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to take Dallas. But I don't think

940
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: Dallas is going to win. I thought this for weeks. Look,

941
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I like Dak Prescott a lot. I have a lot

942
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: of quarterback being able to do in this year, and

943
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: I keep wondering where would Dak Prescott have gone as

944
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback if he did not play at Mississippi State

945
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: and he played in a pro style offense like like

946
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: a Stanford for instance, in college. Where would he have

947
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: gone in the draft. He probably would not have gone

948
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: in the fourth round because now we see him, doubt

949
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: it on this team running a pro offense. Yeah, and

950
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: he's doing it at a very, very very high level.

951
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: I want to take Dallas, but man, have you seen

952
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers's numbers last year? That's my exact point here. Yeah,

953
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: who was it? Somebody was just on TMZ that said

954
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: you'd be crazy to bet against Aaron Rodgers on TMZ.

955
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: I thing was Greg Jennings, former teammate. Yeah, it could

956
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: be crazy to bet against Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, and the

957
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: way that offense is playing, that makes a whole lot

958
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: of sense to me. I'm going with the Packers. Okay, Yeah,

959
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm going with the Packers. And that one Dak Prescott.

960
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: Does his success make you want Deshaun Watson? Okay? So

961
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: this is the This is like the chicken in the

962
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: egg argument, right, Like, is it because of Zeke? Is

963
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: it because of Dak? Is it because of that offensive line? Yeah,

964
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: it's all three. But just watching Dak Prescott having success,

965
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: would you actually take a watchon number one for the Browns?

966
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Yeah, that's a toughie, right,

967
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: It's tough. Yeah, I like because because if you don't

968
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: and he has success, they're gonna say, why didn't you

969
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: see Dak Prescott? Yeah. But at the same time, I mean,

970
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: the Browns have so many holes and they you know,

971
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: people are mocking that Myles Garrett will be the number

972
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: one overall pick guy out of defensive end, out of

973
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: Texas A and M And yeah, I'm not I'm not

974
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: gonna like lie and say I've seen him play that

975
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: much bawler. But yeah, apparently from everything I've heard, he's

976
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: doing really, really well. So I think that's you know,

977
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: that's something you gotta consider. You know, do you need

978
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: a j Debian Clowney JJ Watt type or do you

979
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: want that quarterback? Right? You know what we what we're

980
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: saying about Houston right now is yeah, because Houston doesn't

981
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: have a quarterback, deVie Clowney's not necessarily matter much. So

982
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that's something that the Browns

983
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: are gonna sorry sidebar, Yeah, it was a good sidebar.

984
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: When I'm drafting, either I want the quarterback or the

985
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: guy that knocks him down. Yeah. Yeah, so you're the one.

986
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong. Yeah, maybe not. But that National

987
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Championship game, though I remember it was really good. Gave

988
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: him too much time? Okay, but you gave him two minutes.

989
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: This is you being a defensive guy. You you gave

990
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: him two minutes. You did, but and they won, like

991
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: literally with the second left on the clock. So I mean,

992
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: if you, if anything you did to get him to much,

993
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: gave Ben Young two minutes. Okay, But if you're an offense,

994
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: are you not supposed like is that is that this

995
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: is Jalen Hurt's not supposed to going to Sea. I mean,

996
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: all right, you score when you can score, or I

997
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: mean Todd Gurley back in Arizona a season ago versus

998
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: Arizona drops down to a knee on a long run

999
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: because you're already ahead, and the only way they can

1000
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: do anything is if they get the ball back. That

1001
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: wasn't the case with Clemson Alabama. Right, there's no way around.

1002
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: You need to score. But you gave him too much time.

1003
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: You probably did give me too much time ahead. All right,

1004
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: So we'll go to this last playoff game, which is

1005
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: not going to be played at eight twenty eastern, seven

1006
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: twenty central in Kansas City because there's an ice storm

1007
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: going into Kansas City, so it's supposed to be played

1008
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: at like ten am. I think anyway, Pittsburgh Kansas City.

1009
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: You got Pittsburgh, Yeah, yes, you just you feel Itsburg

1010
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: that that offense, that defense is hum And who's running

1011
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: the ball for Kansas City. I actually don't know who's

1012
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: running the ball for Pittsburghburg. Yeah, I'm going with the Steelers. Okay,

1013
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: who's at quarterback for the Steelers? Ben Roethlins for the

1014
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Okay, do you see that on Good Morning

1015
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: Football at NFL? That Workshow do you see Melissa Ethard

1016
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: is Alex Smith song? No, you got to check that out.

1017
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: It's actually really funny. It's like Alex Stonne. No, she's

1018
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: a Chiefs fense talking about how much she loves Alex Smith. Oh,

1019
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: it was funny. I mean I enjoyed. Please throw the

1020
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: ball deep. I don't know what go verdical ones. You know,

1021
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: I find somebody else succept for Kelsey anybody? Why would do?

1022
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: Is really good? Um? But I the thing I like

1023
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: about the Chiefs and I've been telling people I think

1024
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs can go to the AFC Championship Game all year,

1025
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: so I want to pick them. Yeah, I don't think

1026
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: I can. And man, I'm like I'm being I'm feeling

1027
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: like I'm second guessing myself right now and like not

1028
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: being a man of my today. No, I gotta, I gotta.

1029
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I have some confident I'm Steelers. I'm gonna

1030
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: have to go with the Steelers. But even though you

1031
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: know Big Ben was in the walking boot after the

1032
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: game last week against the Dolphins and look Levan Bell

1033
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: can you ever remember running back with his kind of

1034
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: patients and the way he allows his lineman to set

1035
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: up blocks. If if I was a coordinator, defensive coordinator,

1036
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: and I saw the opposing running back do that to

1037
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: my defense, I'd fire everybody. Why you mean you got

1038
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: that much time? You can dance back there and pick

1039
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: a hole. Oh we need to start over on defense.

1040
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm serious. But doesn't everybody taking everybody off? As soon

1041
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: as I see that guy skip skip, skipping, and then go,

1042
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm firing everybody, Get off, Get off. It's hard on him. Yes,

1043
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: it's terrible, it's horrible. You don't see that. I think

1044
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: you see it with one person. That's why. Why can't

1045
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: you just say he's special because he's a running back?

1046
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: I told you the first guy in my mouth was

1047
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: lab On Doll. Yeah. And when you talk about weather, yeah,

1048
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: look when you got it back like that, weather doesn't matter,

1049
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah. So I'm going with them, all right.

1050
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: I think I'll tell I'll take the Pittsburgh still as well,

1051
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: so in case we don't get to the people, that

1052
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: means Pittsburgh, New England for the championship game the NFL. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1053
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Speaker 1: who would you get. Who would you pick in that one? Oh? Wow,

1054
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Speaker 1: the game's end be England. I'll take New England just

1055
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Speaker 1: because of that. Okay, And so from your other picks,

1056
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Speaker 1: that would be Seattle and green Bay. That game would

1057
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Speaker 1: be in Seattle, I'll tell green Bay. Wow, yeah, green

1058
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Speaker 1: Bay in Seattle. And you don't think Atlanta. Excuse me,

1059
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: you don't think Dallas. Wait a minute, I just mess

1060
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Speaker 1: this up. You don't think Atlanta can beat Seattle at home,

1061
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: but you think green Bay can beat Seattle in Seattle.

1062
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Who's a quarterback? Aaron Rodgers? Okay? I mean would be

1063
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: my matchup? Would be the dream matchup. It would be

1064
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: a great mat It's the matchup that we haven't had yet. Yeah,

1065
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: it's true where we have not had Brady Rogers in

1066
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Speaker 1: a Super. That's the one I'm praying for. I think

1067
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: everybody in this room is praying for that. I think

1068
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: so too. Yeah, I would love to see that. That

1069
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: would be great. Yeah, that would be a shootout. Yeah, yeah,

1070
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Speaker 1: I think it would be good. I think we'll probably

1071
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: get Pittsburgh Green Bay. That those are my two super

1072
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: That would be good. I mean, Big Ben versus Aaron

1073
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: Rodgers would be fun. I do think that Pittsburgh can

1074
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: go into New England and beat them there because of

1075
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: the way that their offense is humming, and they they

1076
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: get after quarterbacks really well. James Harrison, who has farms

1077
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: thighs for arms show the other day, got farms. It's

1078
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: like a cankle. Yeah, ankle. Yeah, he's so, he's got tharms.

1079
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Speaker 1: So I think he can get after anybody, and so

1080
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: he might really hurt, not hurt, but disrupt the timing

1081
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: there with Alex Smith, and I think he can do

1082
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: the same thing with Tom There's only a certain amount

1083
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: of teams that can go anywhere and not be intimidated. Pittsburgh.

1084
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is definitely one of them. There's one of them,

1085
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Green Bay, same deal. I mean they can walk into Dallas,

1086
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: can walk into anybody's stadium and not feel intimidate. Yeah,

1087
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: it's true, all right, Well, any parting shots defarm. Like

1088
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: you said, they always won the press conference. Yeah, the

1089
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: first one is always great. But um, you know, when

1090
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: you do your homework on a guy and you call

1091
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: people that you know and you ask them to tell

1092
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: me what you know about this guy, it's rare when

1093
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: it actually matches up like you're gonna like him the

1094
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: first time you meet him. Yeah, um, the first The

1095
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: first guy you're gonna think about when you're actually talking

1096
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: to him is John Gruden. It's true. And when I

1097
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: was talking to him right outside this room, I felt

1098
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: like I was talking to Gruden again. He's looking right

1099
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: through you. Yeah. Yeah, there's passion there. And he knows

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Speaker 1: who you are. Yeah, he does. He does know who

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Speaker 1: you are. I thought that was one of the impressive

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Speaker 1: things about him. And I was impressed with his performance

1103
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: in the press conference. You know, we win the press conference, whatever,

1104
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: But I'm really curious to see how he will implement

1105
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Speaker 1: all these changes for the RAMS because I think he's

1106
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: a good choice. I do after what I've heard and

1107
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Speaker 1: especially getting that endorsement from Marshall Falk, I think he

1108
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: is a good choice. I think he's the right choice,

1109
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Speaker 1: and now we'll just have to see how it works out. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're a professional reporter. I had a question for the

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Speaker 1: press conference. I didn't think it was appropriate. Can you

1112
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Speaker 1: get Todd Gurley to fifteen hundred yards? Would that? Would

1113
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Speaker 1: that be appropriate in that press car? Okay, never mind, Yeah,

1114
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Speaker 1: it's a good question though. Can you get him in

1115
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: the end zone, like checking, just check. Yeah, I think

1116
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Speaker 1: we'll see all right and keep the techniques. Yes, absolutely

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Speaker 1: please do folks, thank you for tuning into between the horns.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you listening and watching where everything to be in football.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Bye, Nathan, Oh my god.