Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to Episode one forty Bobby Cast with
Speaker 1: Janet Cramer. That's a good number. I like that, like
Speaker 1: for you or just in general, just like in general,
Speaker 1: for you, for life, for like good well three, but
Speaker 1: you know what that is. I mean, you know what
Speaker 1: that comes from. Not wait, yes, I do where Mr
Speaker 1: Roger documentary. Yes, that's what I was like. I was
Speaker 1: watching it. Did you like that documentary? I loved it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't finish it, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: be more about his life. Um that's where I was disappointed.
Speaker 1: I think it was two hyped up for me and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you're going to cry, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wanted to be more about like him
Speaker 1: and like his upbringing and stuff like that. Not so
Speaker 1: much about the show. I was okay with the direction
Speaker 1: of it. You were, yeah, because he really did a
Speaker 1: lot as a show when they were showing for me,
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Speaker 1: nearest to you. Just to the documentary, just for a second,
Speaker 1: I thought, because that show was a bit before me,
Speaker 1: just a bit before you. I don't remember much of
Speaker 1: it as a kid. I mean I didn't watch it either.
Speaker 1: My brother used to cry, so it was older watched
Speaker 1: he's older. But whenever they would show on the Mr.
Speaker 1: Rogers documentary, whenever real life things would happen, like the
Speaker 1: assassination of Bobby Kennedy, and he would go, want to go, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you may hear you may hear the word assassination. Like
Speaker 1: he was tackling really tough subjects for kids. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you know what's sad though, this day and age, if
Speaker 1: there was a show like that, you can't have a
Speaker 1: middle aged dude. That's so sad. It's like he actually
Speaker 1: loved these kids, Like he wasn't that we know of,
Speaker 1: you know, pedophile or whatever. But I'm like, in this
Speaker 1: day and age, you're like, yeah, yeah, it's just so sad.
Speaker 1: Like that's where like, well, that's where my head went first.
Speaker 1: I was like, in this day and age that we're
Speaker 1: probably gonna have a show like that, unless it's like Mr. Wiggles,
Speaker 1: But then anyone it's like three grown men. That's even worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's two and a half. She'll be three in January,
Speaker 1: and then the baby boys do in November. How excited
Speaker 1: was Mike to have a boy? Honestly, he was okay
Speaker 1: having a girl. I really wanted another girl. But he's
Speaker 1: so pomped now and now I'm really excited. I just
Speaker 1: at first and picture myself as a boy mom, but
Speaker 1: now I'm like beyond them and so excited. And the
Speaker 1: clothes are so cute for boys. But what about he's
Speaker 1: a ballplayer, like doesn't doesn't even want to, you know,
Speaker 1: he does. He's scared because how do I say this?
Speaker 1: He's afraid that he might do the same things in
Speaker 1: his upbringing that the cycle. The cycle, he's afraid of.
Speaker 1: The cycle. He's afraid of because I mean his dad.
Speaker 1: You know, not that his dad was bad. His dad's amazing,
Speaker 1: but you know, there are certain things that let him
Speaker 1: down certain paths because of how he was raised, and
Speaker 1: he's afraid that that might happen again. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is where you get to break the cycle. And
Speaker 1: that hopefully won't happen. And now you'll know it's okay
Speaker 1: if you know he does come to you and you
Speaker 1: can he can be honest with you and you won't
Speaker 1: get mad at him. And so, and Jenna has a
Speaker 1: podcast called wine Down w h I n E where
Speaker 1: you guys, is it right? It's w H I n
Speaker 1: E wind Down, Um Jenna Grammar and it's an unhearted
Speaker 1: as well as yours, and it's I'm so open book
Speaker 1: about everything in my life. So that's why I wanted
Speaker 1: to do a podcast. And Mike's my co host on there,
Speaker 1: and we just we talked about it all, but we
Speaker 1: have fun too, like we're not all about like, oh
Speaker 1: you know, we don't only talk about affairs. We don't
Speaker 1: only talk about that stuff, but we we tackle the
Speaker 1: subjects that are hard to talk about. So how does
Speaker 1: he do with that? He did not want to talk
Speaker 1: about it at all in the very beginning. I mean
Speaker 1: it's been two years he's been out with everything, so
Speaker 1: I mean, as the perpetrator, like he didn't ever want
Speaker 1: to talk about it ever. I mean, he wanted to
Speaker 1: sleep underneath the rug. And for me, it's like there's
Speaker 1: how I've Ever, how I've always dealt with things in
Speaker 1: my life is there's gotta be a reason for the
Speaker 1: that was caused in my life. So if I know
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person so selfishly like, it helps
Speaker 1: me when I reach out and talk about these things
Speaker 1: because there's other people that's like, oh my gosh, my
Speaker 1: husband too, or this happened to me, and it's I
Speaker 1: don't feel as alone. So when he did start slowly
Speaker 1: starting to talk about it, I would send him messages
Speaker 1: and be like, look like this helped this person hearing
Speaker 1: like the guy's perspective or what maybe the husband could
Speaker 1: have been thinking, and he's like, wow, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that that could like be like that. So it's been
Speaker 1: and it's been really good for us. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's times when it's triggering, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: again like keeping the objective of we know why we're
Speaker 1: doing this to try to help people, and just talk
Speaker 1: about well, again, we know we're not experts, we're not therapists,
Speaker 1: Like we do not have it figured out, I mean
Speaker 1: at all, But does anybody ever have figured out I've
Speaker 1: determined now at this age in my life that no
Speaker 1: one really knows what they're doing, and some people just
Speaker 1: fake it better and they make you feel more insecure
Speaker 1: about yourself because they're faking it so well. But really
Speaker 1: nobody knows. No, you don't know. And like there's things
Speaker 1: that happen all the time where I still get triggered,
Speaker 1: I still get upset with them. We still have to
Speaker 1: you know, and it could happen again, and then I
Speaker 1: have to make my decision what I'm going to do then,
Speaker 1: And so it's just a cycle, and I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to learn every day. You've You've been my confident for this.
Speaker 1: I guess two months probably way before I even accepted
Speaker 1: the Dancing with the Stars. Well, yeah, you wanted to know,
Speaker 1: like what it like, what it really was? Is it
Speaker 1: really four hours of dancing? You know? It's not? Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's like, how do I break it to you? I
Speaker 1: feel bad complaining about it because it's such a cool thing.
Speaker 1: And I also people don't understand. They think it's just fun.
Speaker 1: It's not fun. It's really hard work. It's so it's
Speaker 1: so hard, but you feel complaining, like, oh, I'm having
Speaker 1: a hard time on Dancing with the Stars. It's like
Speaker 1: I understand that, but everyone else is not going to
Speaker 1: understand that they haven't done the show because it's hard,
Speaker 1: and it's hard when you don't know how to even learn,
Speaker 1: like you're learning to learn that's been don't even know
Speaker 1: how to like count? Yeah, I didn't need that. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't understand this. What and when only
Speaker 1: one on our show that has a job, oh will Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a full time everyday job, like the other guys
Speaker 1: have like things they do. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of creatives. That's true. That So every day I'm in
Speaker 1: here five six seven hours a day and then I
Speaker 1: go dance five six seven hours a day. I try
Speaker 1: to eat. Yeah, I get a little fried. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be a little run down. Are you forgetting the steps? No,
Speaker 1: my problem isn't forgetting steps. My problem is actually because
Speaker 1: I want to learn all the steps and I'm such
Speaker 1: a linear guy. Does she teach you the entire dance
Speaker 1: all at once or now? Uh? We do blocks. She's
Speaker 1: tried all everything with me. She's trying. She gets so
Speaker 1: frustrated at me, and she gets no. No, she doesn't
Speaker 1: get mad at me. Sometimes she'll be like, hey, but
Speaker 1: it's for my like it's really for my own good
Speaker 1: do you like that she's hard or do you want
Speaker 1: her to be softer? No, I just want consistency. If
Speaker 1: she's always hard, that means when she's softer, she says
Speaker 1: it's good, it means it's really good. As long as
Speaker 1: anything in my life is given to me consistently, I
Speaker 1: can gauge the good or bad based on what the
Speaker 1: consistent path is. So if she's always hard and she
Speaker 1: doesn't go, oh, you're doing great all the time, well
Speaker 1: she does finally say that it's good, it really means
Speaker 1: it's good, and that's even currency. Yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: think your biggest challenges the mental? It's not Listen, I'm
Speaker 1: the first one there. I'm the last one to leave.
Speaker 1: I know you are because in my text thir day,
Speaker 1: I was I was quoting your book. I didn't think
Speaker 1: you got it. Probably you're you're like I am. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm talking about your book fight grind repeat,
Speaker 1: that's yes. I didn't know that at first. It's I
Speaker 1: I really beat myself up when I can't get it right,
Speaker 1: which is not fair because I'm not supposed to get
Speaker 1: it right yet, and I'm just like, I'm so stupid,
Speaker 1: And then I don't even dance to the music. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to dance with the steps sometimes remember so many steps. Well,
Speaker 1: you have the hardest dance. That's what everybody says. I
Speaker 1: don't know the difference. It's hard. I was. That was
Speaker 1: my lowest score. Both. I don't think we can say
Speaker 1: what it is yet you can't either. I'm saying I
Speaker 1: don't think so. But it was by far my lowest score.
Speaker 1: I had the hardest time with that dance. And to
Speaker 1: know that you got that first, I was like, oh God, why,
Speaker 1: because I think you're going to do good. With like
Speaker 1: a frame position, you'll do good. I think, and like
Speaker 1: something where you're like posture, maybe even you're going to
Speaker 1: be good. Regardless, I think there's a good shot I
Speaker 1: go home the first. You're not going home. We're not honestly.
Speaker 1: If you're saying that, though, then you're gonna like you're
Speaker 1: putting it out there, putting out that I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: You don't believe in that. I don't believe it because
Speaker 1: I'm saying it, because I'm saying what I would truly
Speaker 1: feel that it's going to happen. I also don't believe
Speaker 1: I'm right now I'm drinking a ferra. I don't believe
Speaker 1: it's gonna pull up outside. Well, okay, what's I believe
Speaker 1: Our mindset affects our actions. I just I disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I just think if you like, yes, a Ferrari isn't
Speaker 1: going to show up because that's not realistic and it's
Speaker 1: so hard. But I don't believe it's so hard to
Speaker 1: ferrari outside. That's not realistic. You're you don't have any
Speaker 1: you don't have a dealer right now for a Ferrari.
Speaker 1: Right now, you're on Dancing with the Stars, So that's
Speaker 1: more realistic. I believe that if I show up yes,
Speaker 1: and I put in the work yes, and every day
Speaker 1: I get a few percent better, that I'm going to
Speaker 1: be on a trajectory to continue to improve. I'm going
Speaker 1: to learn to learn. I like that. That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: That's great. I also believe I could go home the
Speaker 1: first week. That win the whole thing. Anyone could go
Speaker 1: home the first week. There's the reality that, yes, you can.
Speaker 1: I think that my story, your story good, Well, you
Speaker 1: you go there, you know what I mean. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't go there. They don't show
Speaker 1: the insides, and you want people want to get to
Speaker 1: know you, like my story is the story of the
Speaker 1: people that listen to my show and listen to this
Speaker 1: and so well, and I feel like I'm idol too,
Speaker 1: Like you gave out and I was like that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I remember texting. I was like, like, that's good, Like
Speaker 1: you broke down those walls for people that don't know you,
Speaker 1: like I know you. And then I saw that and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's Bobby. When you were on
Speaker 1: the show. How was the cast together, Like we guys closer? No,
Speaker 1: it takes a couple of weeks. It definitely takes a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks to like kind of get each other's
Speaker 1: and some were close and somewhere, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's hard. Did you have a best cast friend? Lori
Speaker 1: and I were really close Hernandez she was the gymnast,
Speaker 1: the cute little gymnasts ended up actually winning. But but
Speaker 1: then you become so you become friends, like third three
Speaker 1: or four weeks, and then then it comes to the
Speaker 1: end and you're like, it's like church, can't everybody goes away? No?
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I don't want to, Like I
Speaker 1: need to like I want to beat you now, mean
Speaker 1: like yeah, then you get like super competitive. I already
Speaker 1: want to see them all fail and because I want
Speaker 1: to win. It's cut. But I mean sometimes like you're
Speaker 1: in the back and you're like, oh, they just missed
Speaker 1: a step. Darn, Like what a bummer. That's competition time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's like it's it's work. You know, it's business.
Speaker 1: You gotta go out there and kill it. And you're
Speaker 1: gonna do great. I'm so excited. I'm coming. It's going
Speaker 1: to be so great. But I just think people don't
Speaker 1: understand the mental game of Dancing with the Stars. There's
Speaker 1: so much because we're those people. The majority of them
Speaker 1: are not dancers, the majority, and there are a couple
Speaker 1: of that are really good. It's so annoying. Are the
Speaker 1: dancers well that's not fair. One of the girls is
Speaker 1: probably better than the pro dancers because she danced with
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson for a long time. So that's just that
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy. And they're like, well it's different
Speaker 1: because it's not like I've never done ballroom. Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know how to move the same thing with like
Speaker 1: some of the gymnasts and figure skaters where I'm like,
Speaker 1: you you get it, like that's how you like. Your
Speaker 1: life was skating and moving and having strong legs like
Speaker 1: glob would always be like stronger, stronger legs. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is what I don't know what that means. I'm
Speaker 1: pointing my leg out and that's what I know. So
Speaker 1: how else do you want me to make it stronger?
Speaker 1: I'm tightening as hard as I can and it's just
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't understand. Because a girl, her name
Speaker 1: is Alexis Wryne. She's like an Instagram she has like
Speaker 1: twelve men and followers, but she had ten years of
Speaker 1: dance about so it's like, even though they come in
Speaker 1: as not dancers, So it's frustrating to drink of the
Speaker 1: sparkling water. It just bothers me because I'm the lead.
Speaker 1: Me and Nikki as of the comedian or the least,
Speaker 1: we have zero training with the only two though they
Speaker 1: have none. That just drives me crazy. It shouldn't be
Speaker 1: that way, it's all you know, But she can tell
Speaker 1: she's super funny and no one else is as funny
Speaker 1: as she is, and she can use that on TV
Speaker 1: and no one's as charming and funny as you two,
Speaker 1: so it's like you're the you're the guy version. She's
Speaker 1: funnier than I wouldn't watched her do comedy last night.
Speaker 1: I think, oh I saw that because you start to
Speaker 1: get trauma bonding and and I don't know and amber
Speaker 1: Rose trauma bonded together because you're just in this bubble
Speaker 1: and you suck at something and it's you're sad and mad,
Speaker 1: so you're finding people and he's like, who else is
Speaker 1: sad and mad and depressed in this nex? And we're
Speaker 1: both like writers, we write different things in ways. But
Speaker 1: I went on and watched her do comedy last night.
Speaker 1: Did she said club was really hard on it too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's with your partner. So here's what's funny
Speaker 1: about that. So Gleb comes to the and I met Glad.
Speaker 1: Doesn't remember me, but I for sure met him because
Speaker 1: we were doing a show music show together. He was
Speaker 1: with you Maryland or one of the two. And so
Speaker 1: that was a bad concert, by the way, is the terrible,
Speaker 1: the worst worst ever, so bad. It's so bad. But
Speaker 1: so Glad came out and gloves Russian Us and doesn't
Speaker 1: understand nothing wrong with you hacked my phone over hand out.
Speaker 1: We were just we went to her show because he
Speaker 1: doesn't get her comedy sometimes because she's super American and
Speaker 1: in your face and dirty a little bit. And so
Speaker 1: he comes to the show and she has a joke
Speaker 1: like you care, I'm not running the joke. Basically, the
Speaker 1: joke is somebody that this is not gonna be funny.
Speaker 1: But it's like if you point your finger at things
Speaker 1: in a picture, your douchebag, and so that that doesn't
Speaker 1: do the joke justice. I don't want to run her joke. Well,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what is wrong with pointing finger and picture?
Speaker 1: And so he's like asked, and it's so sweet and awesome,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He just doesn't get it. But we
Speaker 1: wouldn't get Russian here. We go over to Russia and
Speaker 1: we go to a comedy clubs, we wouldn't get their
Speaker 1: jokes either, But that's like what glove does, point a lot,
Speaker 1: and so he probably felt like insecure. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's good. It's good to find someone that you
Speaker 1: can connect with. Because Amber and I connected and everyone
Speaker 1: would think, you know, Amber Rose, she's this beautiful um
Speaker 1: you know, she was a stripper. Actually that's how she
Speaker 1: got famous. You would think that she would be very
Speaker 1: confident and go out there and dance. She was so
Speaker 1: shy and she had a really really really hard time
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, no one understood like how she couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. She's like, I'm just not that person to
Speaker 1: come out there and you know, do this kind of dancing.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't which was just crazy to me. But
Speaker 1: we you know, again it's the mental and not feeling
Speaker 1: good enough, and she hated it a lot of childhood.
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough. That comes well, I mean just
Speaker 1: ripping out of you. I mean we all have it,
Speaker 1: but then when you do something like this, it just
Speaker 1: comes out like tenfold. I was just like sucking everything.
Speaker 1: My dad was right, I'm not good enough. I should
Speaker 1: just quit life. That's funny, because are you doing the
Speaker 1: Family Feud? The new version? Yeah, it airs on Stay
Speaker 1: Before Your That was the funniest night ever. Really, I
Speaker 1: just got invited to do it. Oh gosh, do it,
Speaker 1: but I don't have here's this EPI. So you know,
Speaker 1: I have a deal with a dealish thing with ABC
Speaker 1: where I'm doing a lot of stuff with a lot
Speaker 1: of projects with them. And it was Idol and Miss
Speaker 1: America and Dancing with the Stars and there are other things.
Speaker 1: And so I was talking to the vice president. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: come do family feud. And I said, listen, Rob, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I don't have family like like you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't have a family like married, and my mom's not alive.
Speaker 1: I don't know my dad, like I don't have a family.
Speaker 1: And so if you could do like a country music
Speaker 1: family or like my show radio show family, and he
Speaker 1: was like, all right, all right, we should do that.
Speaker 1: And so because I kind of hit him with but
Speaker 1: I did get invited. I don't know if I'm still
Speaker 1: invite because don't have a family. But it does seem
Speaker 1: like a lot of fun. You should do it. What's
Speaker 1: that like? The fun? Oh my gosh, I had the
Speaker 1: greatest time ever went on with you. So it was me,
Speaker 1: my husband, Mike, my aunt Susan, uncle Rore, and then
Speaker 1: my brother. We had so much. But I was again
Speaker 1: I'm very competitive, so I was very strategic. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, if I don't hit this buzzard before
Speaker 1: Gary Bucy, I'm never going to live that one down.
Speaker 1: So it was we had a great time. Was he nuts.
Speaker 1: He's Gary Bucy, He's all over the place. But he
Speaker 1: was the nicest man ever. I mean, he came in,
Speaker 1: he went went sat in our green room and didn't
Speaker 1: leave and just sat and talked and he was awesome.
Speaker 1: I saw I went to the comedy store last night
Speaker 1: and I saw I was going to watch Nikki. But
Speaker 1: then Tom Arnold did a set which remind me is
Speaker 1: Gary was terrible. It was always bad. He didn't tell jokes.
Speaker 1: He just came out and like Gary Bucy did, just
Speaker 1: went on and on, no jokes for like twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes because just drunk. No, I think he was just
Speaker 1: Tom Arnold and Dan Cooke popped out. So you live
Speaker 1: out here now and you go back and forth. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm we're building in Nashville, are you? So we'll be
Speaker 1: full time next year. Take a year though, to build.
Speaker 1: So I'm so excited to get out of here, are you? So?
Speaker 1: What's the differ in Nashville to you? In in Nashville
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? As there's so much um? First of all
Speaker 1: real estate. When I was even looking to buy house
Speaker 1: out here, I was like, I can't afford anything. It's
Speaker 1: so expensive out here. You can have so much more Nashville,
Speaker 1: but then more so is just how I want to
Speaker 1: raise Jolie and the baby boy. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: I was Midwest and I want Jolie to be able
Speaker 1: to ride her bike to her friend's house, and here
Speaker 1: I'd be like, no, you're not driving your bike to
Speaker 1: your friends use pretty crazy, Like it's just the schools
Speaker 1: are better, just a better and mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things to do in l A. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I'm not saying it's not good
Speaker 1: to raise kids out here, but just for us personally,
Speaker 1: that's just how we want to raise our kids in Nashville.
Speaker 1: I'm totally I'm gonna squirrel on you for a second
Speaker 1: whenever next time Amy gets sick or leaves and you
Speaker 1: should come filling for her. You're so good, thanks, babe,
Speaker 1: like unexpect Mike, right, would you agree with me? Like
Speaker 1: unexpectedly really good? Thank here. I've really enjoy it. I
Speaker 1: mean it's been like I've had so much fun with
Speaker 1: my podcasts like the Boss too on the Mic and
Speaker 1: not and like I'm like dick Way, like like you
Speaker 1: own it. It's really you're really good at this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm in the Radio Hall of Fame and my
Speaker 1: voice cracking. Really happy to know because I just I've
Speaker 1: I've been so enjoyed doing the podcast. It's been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun and I want to get more into this.
Speaker 1: So if Amy's ever out, dude, I'm your fill in anytime.
Speaker 1: What are you doing musically? God, I've had such a
Speaker 1: struggle with this. Um, I'm putting on an EP next year.
Speaker 1: I got dropped a year and a half ago from
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, which bothers me in the sense that there
Speaker 1: are guys on that label that still have not taught
Speaker 1: had songs that that I whatever, but they're still giving
Speaker 1: them a chance. So it's like, why why don't why
Speaker 1: don't we get the ten chances we isn't the women? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, And why are you asking me why? The
Speaker 1: answer is because it's not fair. No, No, you're right,
Speaker 1: but nothing's fair. No, life isn't fair. I get that.
Speaker 1: But there's an easy formula that exists right now, and
Speaker 1: it's plug in another dude that looks and sounds exactly
Speaker 1: the same. And these dudes, though, here's the thing about
Speaker 1: them is and after you know, friendlies buddies that are
Speaker 1: dude artists that have a hit song and can't get
Speaker 1: a second one, or it's really hard because it's about
Speaker 1: the song, not the artist anymore. And I totally disagree
Speaker 1: with you. If there is a guy that if we
Speaker 1: if a girl saying one of these hit songs, maybe
Speaker 1: harder I've but I'm talking about for the guys in
Speaker 1: this cycle, the and the Michael Raid, the Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: that these guys are and I am friends like with Jordan's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But to the listener, it's just another good song from
Speaker 1: another dude. They don't know the difference. They don't know
Speaker 1: the difference. There's no difference. There's no like, there's no
Speaker 1: making an artist like a Blake or the unfair thing
Speaker 1: that happens to females is that you have to go
Speaker 1: in with a super identity. These guys don't. But well
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like we had that like I you know,
Speaker 1: we were we had sponsorships, we had things that we
Speaker 1: were doing. And because you know, they always blame me
Speaker 1: too that I had my feet in different things? Well
Speaker 1: is that? Why is that so bad? I feel like women,
Speaker 1: I feel like men have a hard time having their
Speaker 1: eggs in different baskets, but as women, we can. We
Speaker 1: can do those things and still thrive in other areas.
Speaker 1: But it's just frustrating when a guy you can have
Speaker 1: all the chances in the world. And I actually made
Speaker 1: more for the label, but yet they dropped me. I'm
Speaker 1: not better at all. Uns I would be better too,
Speaker 1: but there's list people want the easiest way to keep
Speaker 1: making money without risking well, and that's the thing. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you look at the charts. Okay, the girls aren't working.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Carrie. She she just didn't get
Speaker 1: a number one. It's she didn't get How many years
Speaker 1: has that been? And so, which is why I decided
Speaker 1: to do And I've got a lot of pushback from
Speaker 1: doing this show. I was talking a lot, and I
Speaker 1: don't talk about a lot because I'm just trying not
Speaker 1: to show people that, you know, because he cares about
Speaker 1: what I'm going through with the stupid radio show, that
Speaker 1: people have real problems. But the reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: do this show with all the female artists wasn't to
Speaker 1: go Sun weekends. Right. Yeah, but it's on AD and
Speaker 1: it gets a lot of a lot of spins. The
Speaker 1: the purpose of it was a practical purpose. It was
Speaker 1: Let's take the female artists they are already on the
Speaker 1: chart and continue playing them and boost their spins because
Speaker 1: as they move up the chart, other stations look at them,
Speaker 1: add them, play them more to the chart game. You
Speaker 1: would certain spot you get played by more stations, so
Speaker 1: I can help them move up a bit. I can
Speaker 1: also for sake of the brand and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you guys are nuts. Look at all these awesome artists,
Speaker 1: and I can play stuff from five years ago, twelve
Speaker 1: years ago, twenty years ago, while highlighting new artists as well.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a three pronged approach at it.
Speaker 1: But really it was about getting people on the charts
Speaker 1: and moving them up and if their success that creates
Speaker 1: more opportunity. Success creates opportunity. I mean, you played damn
Speaker 1: It one time and it charted well. Media, But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like how cool? I mean, your
Speaker 1: power is huge, your admit it at times, it's huge.
Speaker 1: You move the needle for people. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of things that can affect things. I just want to
Speaker 1: be the voice again. It's and to me, it's not
Speaker 1: even about women. It's about fairness, and you know life
Speaker 1: it's not fair. But I think that if guying. I don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't care if it was female. I want to.
Speaker 1: I just want everybody be heard the same. It's not
Speaker 1: even eight or it's not even nine to I just
Speaker 1: think there should be something to the fact of, hey,
Speaker 1: why can't the best song just win? Regard its like
Speaker 1: in a job like or or. This is what I
Speaker 1: think too. So this the EP that I'm putting out
Speaker 1: next year. There's I feel like it's a great song.
Speaker 1: I've sent it to a few radio people that they
Speaker 1: said they've loved it, But I'm like, it won't even
Speaker 1: get the light of day unless there's like a dude
Speaker 1: on it. I feel like, now a girl can't work
Speaker 1: unless the guys attached to it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if that's the case. I
Speaker 1: know that you know it's tough, and I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate here because I obviously putting female acts
Speaker 1: on my tours trying. I'm like, I'm trying, um, but
Speaker 1: unless you have a good promo team, and it's not
Speaker 1: even get to me or the high up. It's about
Speaker 1: getting to the people that are running stations and like
Speaker 1: Detroit Sacramento and he But here's the deal though, So
Speaker 1: now it's like, okay, I'm thirty five. I'll be thirty
Speaker 1: five in December, thirty five. Female, I have to just
Speaker 1: do my my way because there's the chances of me
Speaker 1: getting signed again would be null. But and that's again
Speaker 1: that's reality. But it's okay. I'm still going to fight
Speaker 1: for it. I'm still going to try. I'm still going
Speaker 1: to do my thing. I'm still gonna, you know, go
Speaker 1: out and sing some songs for people that want to
Speaker 1: hear it. I'm still going to write from the heart
Speaker 1: because this is the best crap I've written. It really is.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's it's it says something. And when
Speaker 1: is the happening. I'm recording in October and releasing it
Speaker 1: early next year. I mean, I'm losing my freaking voice
Speaker 1: because you're grinded. You're fin some allergy. So good now
Speaker 1: you're doing so good allergy crap. Hey, congratulations on what
Speaker 1: you just played that sold out show your hometown. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool, the one the theater that you never into.
Speaker 1: I I mean I got I got teary eyed on
Speaker 1: that post. Those are like, that's what you that's what
Speaker 1: you've been fighting for. Yeah, I feel that awesome. If
Speaker 1: you're listening. On my Instagram, I posted a picture of
Speaker 1: me in the theater in Little Rockets is a pretty
Speaker 1: good ze theater. I've never been able to sell out.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're killing it. Well, So that being said,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there was a field trip
Speaker 1: that was there and I couldn't afford tickets to go
Speaker 1: on this field trip, so I just act like I
Speaker 1: was sick and miss school. And so the first time
Speaker 1: I ever got to in the theater was actually when
Speaker 1: I played it. It was pretty cool. Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I soaked it up a little bit. I mean you
Speaker 1: should have. You should. They just stood there for like
Speaker 1: five minutes and just been like yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: what I kind of did because they wouldn't stopt cheering.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. They wouldn't stop cheering
Speaker 1: for me, and I was and I felt uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: I was like, screwed. I'm not gonna fee uncofortable anymore.
Speaker 1: Does that feel that when we have our voids? No,
Speaker 1: it's a temporary feel like I'm searching for someone to
Speaker 1: kind of fill the donut hole. Inside of my body.
Speaker 1: Is it the someone or is it is it a
Speaker 1: person or is it you still have to fill yourself.
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good with me now. I do
Speaker 1: for the first time ever in my whole life. That's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're looking for the other half or
Speaker 1: the third or the other two thirds or whatever it
Speaker 1: is that that I feel like I kind of have
Speaker 1: someone that's Are you ready for it? Yeah? I am
Speaker 1: now for the first time. You're ready for love ever?
Speaker 1: First time? But for the owl? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Bob. Yeah, it's crazy. I know for
Speaker 1: the first time, I feel like that every kind of
Speaker 1: getting like terry eye. That's huge, that's amazing. If that's
Speaker 1: a big growth in the last year or so. So
Speaker 1: did you go to therapy? Yes, but I also went
Speaker 1: you've heard on site. Oh I've been there like three times.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is like changes your miles. Ad Cox
Speaker 1: is a genius. I was already I was going in
Speaker 1: a good direction. I've been working on myself. I did.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I did. I did by myself
Speaker 1: for day your phone and um, I left and I
Speaker 1: didn't leave a different person, but I left with like
Speaker 1: better tools and knowledge, and you know, how did you
Speaker 1: just try to situations come? It's not knowing how to
Speaker 1: get through them, it's it's knowing that they're going to
Speaker 1: come and how you're going to deal with it, because
Speaker 1: you never get right. There's no such thing is right.
Speaker 1: There's just not a right. There's just not right anymore.
Speaker 1: It's the tools, and it's so great if anyone is, like,
Speaker 1: on site is such an amazing place. There's a they
Speaker 1: have living centered healing trauma. I went for learning how
Speaker 1: to Love Yourself Michael and I went there for a
Speaker 1: couple of therapy, I mean for three, I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's incredible place. And I had a couple of friends,
Speaker 1: right friends ish um that had said, hey, you should go. Um.
Speaker 1: The first one was Dave Heywood from Lady and Belle Me.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're kind of like me. You know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of we have we're creating, but we're also running.
Speaker 1: You know, you should go. He's like, can change my life.
Speaker 1: And then the last the person who really convinced me
Speaker 1: was Tyler Hubbard. And we had not been on good
Speaker 1: terms for years really, yeah, and so because we had
Speaker 1: both popped off about each other, and then we're just like,
Speaker 1: screw it. Oh and then we got good again and
Speaker 1: we're having coffee after Yeah, and he was like I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. He's like, dude, you gotta go. And
Speaker 1: so what was it that you guys didn't like connect?
Speaker 1: It wasn't that we didn't connect. I got irritated at
Speaker 1: him because he was he went on satellite, was bashing
Speaker 1: me for putting billboards up. What is And then it's
Speaker 1: just all trivial I said trivial things about them, you know,
Speaker 1: he said. But we were both like, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: you had a thing with Kip. We did, we got
Speaker 1: we we Kip and are great. Yeah, same thing. We
Speaker 1: just like, hey, let's just get together as humans to
Speaker 1: talk about this. Yeah, that's something that's the best way
Speaker 1: to do it. Just communicate your problems and kept and
Speaker 1: I went in for like two hours. First of all,
Speaker 1: you got yelled at each other. Then you go, oh,
Speaker 1: we're kind of the same, and you go, you actually
Speaker 1: kind of like each other. I kind of like you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in a different way. Yeah, in a different way.
Speaker 1: Like I never not been a fan of Casey her music.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so good. I think I misread
Speaker 1: her early she hates me. I'm pretty I'm pretty convinced
Speaker 1: she hates me, but I think that's just how she is.
Speaker 1: I misread her. I acted inappropriately because I misread her. No,
Speaker 1: of course not, and I did not. And then I
Speaker 1: apologized to her and I was like, hey, listen, I
Speaker 1: think I messed up. I think that well, she's not
Speaker 1: like the like warmest, and neither am I though, because
Speaker 1: I'm so insecure, people will go, man, want to dick,
Speaker 1: But really I'm just like shy and in the corner
Speaker 1: because I don't think he wants to talk to me.
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have projected onto her. Well, and then
Speaker 1: I and what I do now is I project that
Speaker 1: she's a you know, not nice because she's not warm
Speaker 1: with me. Well, just because I'm warm and she's not
Speaker 1: doesn't mean she's not a lovely person, right, and so,
Speaker 1: but we're good I have. I saw her at the
Speaker 1: A C M S. And I said, hey, are you
Speaker 1: goodt You're like yeah, we uh like send messages occasionally,
Speaker 1: like she'll comment on something I put on instant story.
Speaker 1: I'll coming on her and be like it's great, I
Speaker 1: play your songs. Is there anyone you're beefing with now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't have time. And I'm
Speaker 1: also I'm an adult man now and I'm not so
Speaker 1: insecure on my job anymore. I've got to prove anything.
Speaker 1: I think. I used to feel like everybody hated me
Speaker 1: said to prove things and that I wasn't scared, and
Speaker 1: I would just what kind of girl do you want?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I think that's too open up a question.
Speaker 1: I think, like I love someone that's confident just because
Speaker 1: my job is weird. Your job's hard. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: the Ryan Seacrest and it's weird, and then you know
Speaker 1: they're Do you hate getting that word? By the way,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to say that. Yeah, we're different. I
Speaker 1: mean you're different, but you you both work. We work hard,
Speaker 1: real hard, and we're easy to stomach. You know, we're
Speaker 1: both pretty safe to Yeah, well, what's one thing? Like?
Speaker 1: I feel like you've done everything from touring to love
Speaker 1: how you just switched it over to me and now
Speaker 1: you go ahead of it? My boy? Anyway? Go ahead? No,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have the book, the podcast, the tour,
Speaker 1: the comedy, this, that everything, what what else do you
Speaker 1: want to do is it just settled down? Not just
Speaker 1: that I think it's not even settled down to me,
Speaker 1: it's have a partner. This is breaking my heart right now.
Speaker 1: You guys don't understand. Like, for as long as I
Speaker 1: feel like I've known you, like that is amazing. I
Speaker 1: just want someone to The loneliest I get is when
Speaker 1: I get to do something cool and have nobody to
Speaker 1: share it with. I know someone who wants to share
Speaker 1: it with you. Well I doesn't. I'm not dating anybody
Speaker 1: in the industry. Why maybe not an artist because I
Speaker 1: just saw what happened to Lindsay. I love her, She's awesome,
Speaker 1: which wasn't fair to hurt at all. Yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 1: I just I don't hate that love her so but
Speaker 1: it sucked. And I don't want to see that to
Speaker 1: happen anybody else. So I can't. I can't do that
Speaker 1: unless I just buy a country format and I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're on your way to send you EP and
Speaker 1: think you but you know, I hate even though it's good,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate when you send me music and
Speaker 1: I tell you like I know it's why I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was like, can I send you music? And you're
Speaker 1: like I mean you can, but I don't know. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: but your word means a lot. But I go music
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna be like, it's good
Speaker 1: what you mean to do? Like and even saying there's
Speaker 1: I don't something. I want you to do something, but
Speaker 1: it's just it's do you like it or you don't
Speaker 1: like because if you don't like it, okay, cool. I don't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like that one and he's got the ear.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in that place. I'm just
Speaker 1: one one year your friend, but I'm one year. If
Speaker 1: you sent me a joke, I'd be like, that's stupid
Speaker 1: or that's funny, or like if you sent me like
Speaker 1: your dance that was good, if I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was good, I'd be like, you have some work to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't. I don't think music from
Speaker 1: from you, and you're a friend. I don't think for
Speaker 1: any of my friends early, even Dirk's who I'm probably
Speaker 1: closest to. So when I send you like the produced
Speaker 1: produced like done, don't listen. Casey sent me her before
Speaker 1: it came out, and I wouldn't listen. And I'm that's
Speaker 1: probably gonna play it. That's no, you'll get played, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: whatever you get played. And it's not always just about
Speaker 1: getting played anymore. It's finding other avenues for people to
Speaker 1: find it. You know, so, and I know that. So
Speaker 1: that's I mean, you know that. What do you think about?
Speaker 1: The radio is dying? They've always said that TV has
Speaker 1: also been dying, or just I don't think about radio.
Speaker 1: To me, isn't just coming to the FM air waves.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you go, but even then it's not for
Speaker 1: a long time. But radio to me is where's on
Speaker 1: my phone and what's in my car? What's in like radio?
Speaker 1: To me isn't just going to a transmitter. This is radio.
Speaker 1: To me, what we're doing, Yeah, anything that people can
Speaker 1: consume is radio. So my version of it's different than
Speaker 1: if you asked some fifty year old dude in Madison, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: who's been really doing radio? You know, it's all live.
Speaker 1: Radio to me is actually we're in an audio revolution,
Speaker 1: if anything, what audio evolutions. Look at your podcast, you're
Speaker 1: doing radio anyone. You can find anything you want to
Speaker 1: hear about it does no matter what your hobbyists. You
Speaker 1: love the Simpsons, you love Rubber Duckies, my Little Pony,
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars podcast, What Doesn't Matter. There's something
Speaker 1: for everyone, and that to me is amazing because that's radio.
Speaker 1: I love it. So I feel the opposite, you know
Speaker 1: I feel. And also I just think, if you're good,
Speaker 1: people find you. It's it. Eventually, people find you. Whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, your podcast people, he grows because you guys
Speaker 1: do a good job. Thanks. Yeah, we're excited about it.
Speaker 1: I really like, I really do enjoy it. So we
Speaker 1: need to do a radio show together one day, and
Speaker 1: we're doing a radio sho right now. You've been pretty
Speaker 1: much taking this one over. Okay, So your podcast is
Speaker 1: called wind Out. You can find me there at Cramer Girl.
Speaker 1: I got an EP next year, baby coming in November.
Speaker 1: I have a mom's and baby's bo so I'm excited
Speaker 1: to I haven't seen that on your story. Mom's in
Speaker 1: Baby's Box. I came up with this idea. I don't
Speaker 1: like buying things for myself. I always end up just
Speaker 1: buying something for Jolie. But I came up with this
Speaker 1: idea for a mom's and babes. So there's three boxes.
Speaker 1: There's a mom and baby box where products for the
Speaker 1: baby and the mom. And then there's a toddler box,
Speaker 1: so for mom and toddler, and then there's just a
Speaker 1: mom box. If there's mom's out there that I just want,
Speaker 1: you know, nice skin masks and ice RUMs and for
Speaker 1: the mom to relax. And how do they get them?
Speaker 1: Moms and babes box dot com, Babes Babes, Moms and
Speaker 1: babes box dot com. Yeah, I look at that, Look
Speaker 1: at us, Look at us, go look at us. Go
Speaker 1: mah am I dying, it's fading, huh fast. I should
Speaker 1: stop talking. Jana, you are awesome. You You're gonna do
Speaker 1: so good on David Stars. I'm excited to see. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to watch you, and I'm excited to see. I
Speaker 1: like this this Bobby now that I didn't love old
Speaker 1: Bobby and hear this, that'll be this This Bobby be
Speaker 1: old Bobby. And if it ever stopped, we keep growing.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. And if it ever stops, and I'm proud
Speaker 1: of you, as I'm real proud of you, it's appreciate
Speaker 1: that I come back to Nashville. Move back to Nashville,
Speaker 1: all right. Episode one forty with Jane Kramer. As I
Speaker 1: go through puberty. Uh yeah, thank you. Following at Cramer Girl,
Speaker 1: Thanks Janna