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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in now re number two Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be joined by the way Tutor Dixon

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Speaker 2: at one thirty, that is about thirty minutes from now.

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Speaker 2: The Clay and Buck podcast network, and she had President

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on with her. I believe that interview is

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Speaker 2: up now in the Clay and Buck podcast and encourage

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Speaker 2: all of you to check that out. And then from

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Speaker 2: Shark Tank, mister Wonderful is going to be in studio

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Speaker 2: in New York. He'll be on at two. Should be fun.

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Speaker 2: Courage you as always go subscribe to the podcast. You

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Speaker 2: assuring that you never miss a single moment. So yesterday, Buck,

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Francis Suarez dropping out of the

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Speaker 2: Republican primary race. A couple of news stories that are

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Speaker 2: out there. It appears, according to reports that the third

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Speaker 2: Republican Debate, which would occur, according to this report, in

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Speaker 2: late October or early November will be taking place at

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Speaker 2: the University of Alabama. That is the Tuscaloosa campus. Buck,

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Speaker 2: that is where you went to see your first ever

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Speaker 2: college football game between news me and excuse me, sir,

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Speaker 2: my beloved Rule Tides.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Crimson Tide.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes again their season at home against Middle Tennessee

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Speaker 2: State University on Saturday. We need to both get down there.

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Speaker 2: You would be able to return to Tuscaloosa. I will

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Speaker 2: pretty much guarantee that if this debate takes place on

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Speaker 2: the University of Alabama campus, that I will be down there,

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Speaker 2: and I'll probably try to pair it with a college

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Speaker 2: football game, depending on when the actual of eight takes place.

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Speaker 2: They've been on Wednesday, I think so far right. I

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Speaker 2: think that's the day of the week that they're trying

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Speaker 2: to put him because there's NFL or college football games

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Speaker 2: on Monday and Thursday, and they don't want to go

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Speaker 2: head to head with those. Wednesday is the best day

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Speaker 2: of the week when there aren't major sporting events that

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Speaker 2: would cut into potentially.

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Speaker 1: The audience of people who'd be watching.

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Speaker 2: I love the idea of Nick Saban, by the way,

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Speaker 2: as the moderator Alabama Crimson Tide head football coach. I'm

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Speaker 2: not even I think he would do. I'd be happy

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Speaker 2: to vote for Nick Saban for president. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I think he would do an incredible job as the

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Speaker 2: moderator because he doesn't take any slack right and he

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Speaker 2: is like dismissive of all attempts to make excuses.

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Speaker 1: I kind of love that idea. So that is going

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Speaker 1: on now. Buck.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday also I said I thought there were six candidates

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Speaker 2: who could win one of the first primaries, and I

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Speaker 2: said everybody else should drop out.

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Speaker 1: Some people disagreed with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to firmly reinforce that again, Trump, DeSantis, Vivek,

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley, Tim Scott, Chris Christie. Only those six people

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Speaker 2: And if you're like Chris Christy, he's number two right

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Speaker 2: about some of the crazy shenanigans that might happen in

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire before all is said and done with who's

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Speaker 2: on that ballot. But Vivek has moved into a solid

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Speaker 2: and has challenged run DeSantis for the number two spot overall.

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Speaker 2: We had Viveke on the show last week in the

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Speaker 2: wake of the debate, and I thought, in terms of

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Speaker 2: think it's worth all of you an eyebrow raise if

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Speaker 2: you presume that Viveke is now in second or third place.

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Speaker 2: Trump has attacked Ron DeSantis with every verbal.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a real poll that has him in

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Speaker 1: any kind of solid second place nationally or even in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's there have been a couple of polls I

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Speaker 1: I don't think any major polling agency has shown him

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Speaker 2: I've seen a couple where he is in second, second,

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Speaker 2: more than anybody else in the Republican primary field. And yet,

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Speaker 2: to my knowledge, Trump has not said a single negative

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Speaker 2: said a single negative word about Trump. Yesterday, Trump went

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's great. Look anybody that said I'm

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Speaker 3: the best president in the generation, I don't know. You

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Speaker 3: you know, I can't get up upset with him. But

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Speaker 3: he's a smart guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a young guy. He's got a lot of talent.

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Speaker 3: He's very very a very intelligent person. He's got good energy,

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Speaker 3: he's very good. I think he's really distinguished himself. He's

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Speaker 3: starting to get out there a little bit. He's a

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Speaker 3: him be a little bit careful. He's been very nice

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Speaker 1: It's not a funny Trump saying, WHOA yeah, controversial, buddy,

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Speaker 1: be careful. Yeah, it's very funny.

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Speaker 2: But buck, here is the question, and I would raise

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Speaker 2: this question for anybody out there listening who wants to

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Speaker 2: weigh in eight hundred.

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Speaker 1: Two eight two two eight a two. What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Well, Trump is only saying super nice things about the Veke.

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Speaker 2: The Veke is only saying super nice things about Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't dispute it. Look if if.

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Speaker 2: If Trump's the nominee, I want everybody saying super nice

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Speaker 2: things about each other. These guys are running against each other.

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Speaker 2: This is totally different.

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Speaker 1: They're not really They're not really Trump right this, They're

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Speaker 1: not really running against each other. Okay, so what is

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Speaker 1: your theory of what's going on here? The theory is

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Speaker 1: that this is the Veke would be a phenomenal VP

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Speaker 1: that's the whole game. And by being in the race,

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Speaker 1: I think he creates a you know, he he creates

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Speaker 1: a sort of Trumpian alternative to Trump a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but not really. And I don't think he's really pulling

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Speaker 1: it and it also creates this atmosphere of why isn't

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Speaker 1: name another candidate doing what Viveke does. I see this

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Speaker 1: a lot, which I always want to say, well, Vivike's

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Speaker 1: not trying to defeat Donald Trump, obviously, because this notion

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Speaker 1: first of all, why doesn't Trump just say that? Now?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't hold up. It doesn't make any sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking. I'm open to being wrong on this one,

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Speaker 1: and I like Viveke. I think he's you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: to be Trump's VP. Is that Is that a surprise

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Speaker 2: Well, I just think I think it may be something

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Speaker 2: other than running to be Trump's VP, because we've had

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Speaker 1: I think he's super sharp, smart.

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Speaker 2: We had him on long before he announced for president

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Speaker 2: as well to promote his books.

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Speaker 1: If Trump really thought Viveke was a threat, he would

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Speaker 1: attack him play as he attacks anybody who's a threat. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is this is where we're breaking this down. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Allow that's what I'm That's what I'm going to If

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Speaker 2: not saying anything negative about Vevec is because Vivek is

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Speaker 2: saying nice things about him. Okay, but if Trump really

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Speaker 2: He was the number one Google searched candidate after the

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Speaker 2: and I said, hey, if you think Trump's the best

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Speaker 2: against him? And his answer is, well, I think I

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Speaker 2: this So there are a few things here. I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: idea that somebody was the best resident in in many,

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Speaker 2: many decades or over numerous president Obviously we're not that

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Speaker 1: which I think Vivike would say he did, in what

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Speaker 1: and this thing that he did, I'm just gonna say it.

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Speaker 1: You know, Andrea Mitchell act he was pushing him on

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, Mike, it's his role.

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Speaker 1: On January sixth, because he doesn't want to say what

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Speaker 1: with Pence certifying the election, which he always doesn't really say,

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Speaker 1: but he actually does believe that, So he should just

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Speaker 1: say that. Now he'll say that he does say that,

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Speaker 1: but he'll actually say something that's a little different than that.

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Speaker 1: He believes that Mike Pence did the right thing in

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Speaker 1: are all these other things I would have done as well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's super strategic by Trump, and I think

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Speaker 1: And let me explain what I mean by this. Trump

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Speaker 5: We had a booming economy with you before COVID.

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Speaker 5: COVID stole so much from us. We lost our loved ones,

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't do shutdowns for one thing. And it

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Speaker 6: sounds to me like, you know, if something's coming back,

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Speaker 6: you know, they blame everything. They say it's COVID because

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Speaker 1: If you have a flu.

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Speaker 6: Season, you know they cod We had that then too.

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Speaker 6: By the way, you had a lot of flu, You

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Speaker 6: I mean, there could be something happening. And you know

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Speaker 6: I always said Biden did a lousy job with COVID,

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Speaker 1: Interesting. We will talk to Tutor about this.

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Speaker 2: And we just played a clip from your interview with

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Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, and we had we talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: Tudor's Buck, I've got your podcast lined up to listen

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Speaker 4: this is outrageous. We talked about what happened to him

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Speaker 4: and the Hillary Clinton dossier that was funded by her

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Speaker 4: and what should happen there. We talked about those things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you could tell, you can actually tell in

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Speaker 4: his voice that it's laying heavy on him. And I

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Speaker 4: say that, and you know, to everybody else that would

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Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, that's obvious. But I've talked to

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Speaker 4: President Trump several times over the past few years, and

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Speaker 4: as these attacks have come, I've never heard it in

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Speaker 4: his voice, but I think that in the conversation we

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Speaker 4: had you could hear it. And of course it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you've add off all of these charges,

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Speaker 4: I think it's something like over seven hundred years that

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Speaker 4: he would be imprisoned if you were convicted on all

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Speaker 4: of these charges. And that here's a man who served

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Speaker 4: his country and he was trying to serve again. And

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Speaker 4: I just think that as he's going through this, and

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Speaker 4: as he's being viciously attacked by the other side and

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Speaker 4: these political prosecutions that are going on, I mean, it

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Speaker 4: would be hard to every day go out there and

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Speaker 4: be cheerful. And yet we see a guy who has

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Speaker 4: these rallies and he's able to talk to the people,

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Speaker 4: and he puts the people first, and that's the part

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Speaker 4: that I think is the most interesting. He always puts

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Speaker 4: himself aside it and you'll hear that in the interview too,

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Speaker 4: because we talk about some examples of things that he's

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Speaker 4: done for people that most people don't know. And his

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Speaker 4: reaction is so funny because he's all about, you know,

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Speaker 4: you just do those things because they're right, and he

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Speaker 4: is actually very humble, which is something you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Expect, Tutor.

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Speaker 2: There's a front page article, I'm sure you saw it

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Speaker 2: in the New York Times about the fractures in the

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Speaker 2: Michigan Republican part. Michigan, along with Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, states

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Speaker 2: that Trump won in sixteen, lost in twenty and Buck

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Speaker 2: and I got into a discussion some about this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You were the candidate for people who don't know your

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Speaker 2: mom of four, you barnstormed all over Michigan. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: how much did abortion impact, in your opinion, the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two governor's race between you and Gretchen Whitmer, And

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Speaker 2: how much do you think, if at all, it will

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Speaker 2: impact twenty twenty four and what should Republicans do to

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Speaker 2: try to address that issue in your mind having seen

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Speaker 2: it directly on the ground yourself.

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Speaker 4: So in Michigan, I believe one hundred percent that it

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Speaker 4: was absolutely the one issue that won the election for

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Speaker 4: the Democrats. And the reason I say that is because

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Speaker 4: there was no way we could have expected the amount

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Speaker 4: of attack ads that they would play against us. And interestingly,

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Speaker 4: in Michigan, it was on the ballot, and so we

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Speaker 4: came out and you know, as a Republican, you want

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Speaker 4: to get your position out there. And you heard all

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Speaker 4: of the candidates in the debate say I'm pro life,

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Speaker 4: I'm pro life, and I said, you know, I am

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Speaker 4: pro life. This is what I believe, this is what

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Speaker 4: I believe for my family. I've talked to other people

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Speaker 4: and these are the experiences that I've had. But in

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Speaker 4: the state of Michigan, and we were on record saying this,

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Speaker 4: you can vote for abortion if you want to, and

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Speaker 4: you still don't have to vote for Gretchen Whitber because

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Speaker 4: it's on the ballot and it will be for the

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Speaker 4: people to choose. That didn't matter because the minute they

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Speaker 4: could take my words and twist them and create ads

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Speaker 4: and just torture the people of Michigan with these ads, endlessly.

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Speaker 4: Every time you would play video on your phone, some

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Speaker 4: abortion attack ad would play, and it was I like

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Speaker 4: to say, it was deadly because this was absolutely what

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Speaker 4: they want on It was twisted messaging from them. It

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Speaker 4: didn't matter. They knew that the people would make the

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Speaker 4: decision ultimately, but it didn't matter. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: say people Republicans to be so careful on this because

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Speaker 4: Nikki Haley made a really good point. I thought what

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Speaker 4: she did in the debate was incredible and it should

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Speaker 4: be watched by other Republicans because she said the facts. First,

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Speaker 4: she said, you know what, I am pro life, but

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Speaker 4: the people will choose. It's in their hands. And you

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Speaker 4: have to understand that no matter who's standing on the stage,

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Speaker 4: you don't have sixty senators that are going to put

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Speaker 4: a ban on abortion, and you don't have half the

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Speaker 4: House right now, and the president can't do that. And

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Speaker 4: that is key because it was the same thing in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: But they attacked anyway. And I don't think that anyone

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Speaker 4: can understand where women's hearts are on this issue if

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Speaker 4: they didn't live through what we lived through in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I tell Republicans you have to be

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Speaker 4: so careful to speak the truth. The president can't do

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Speaker 4: this unless the country is on board. The reason Nicky

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Speaker 4: Haley said there needs to be a consensus is because

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Speaker 4: that's truly how the government works. It's not because she

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Speaker 4: said I'm going to waiver on this and there needs

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Speaker 4: to be consensus. That's that is simply the facts, and

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Speaker 4: it cuts them off at the knees. They can't come

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Speaker 4: after her for this because there is no reason to

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Speaker 4: come after any candidate for this. The candidate can't do

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Speaker 4: anything on it, but they will run the ads and

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Speaker 4: win by manipulating the people's minds and making them believe

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Speaker 4: that someone will go in there and take this away.

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, we lost the hearts and minds

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Speaker 4: of women on this decades ago, and that work needs

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Speaker 4: to be done outside of government.

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Speaker 1: So just tutor, what's different about what Nicki Haley said

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Speaker 1: versus what your approach was in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: So Nicki Haley was very clear that she believes this

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Speaker 4: is going to be a decision by the people. The

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Speaker 4: people will have to come together and it will and

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Speaker 4: if it comes to be a federal answer, that it

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Speaker 4: will be that they will come out and that the

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Speaker 4: Senators will have to come together, the House will have

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Speaker 4: to come together, It'll be consensus.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: She was very clear about the process. She did not

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Speaker 4: go out and say these are the reasons that pro life,

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Speaker 4: and this is why I believe that women will have

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Speaker 4: these experiences that they should still have a baby. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you look at Rondasantis' approach, I know I can

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Speaker 4: tell you I've had this same and lived the same thing.

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Speaker 4: The groups came to him and they clearly said we

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Speaker 4: want you to meet this person. And he talked about

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Speaker 4: the woman who was you know, on the she was

553
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Speaker 4: so they tried to abort her several times. Their grandmother

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Speaker 4: saved her. And I'm telling you they will use those

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Speaker 4: stories against you because they'll say this is these people

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Speaker 4: were forced to have a baby. They didn't want to.

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Speaker 4: It's a terrible situation. A child was forced into it.

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Speaker 4: I can just see the ads that they're writing, and I.

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Speaker 1: Just just so unclear. So like your takeaway if you

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Speaker 1: were advising somebody else who was running as a Republican

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Speaker 1: in Michigan on this issue, I mean, yes, the left lies.

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Speaker 1: They're horrible. They lie on this issue. They probably lie

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Speaker 1: on this issue more than any other. So then what's

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Speaker 1: the what's the response to be able to win in

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Speaker 1: a state like Michigan on this issue.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you are running for a federal position, I

567
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Speaker 4: would say that your response should be, Look, we know

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Speaker 4: we would if there were some federal decisions that would

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Speaker 4: come to on abortion, we would come together. And I

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Speaker 4: want to be a part of that decision. I want

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Speaker 4: to be a part of that discussion. And I think

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Speaker 4: it's okay to share if you're a pro life person

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Speaker 4: that your pro life, but to recognize that this is

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Speaker 4: not this is not going to be a decision I'm

575
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Speaker 4: going to make for someone else. We're going to make

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Speaker 4: this decision together. And that's where I lead it.

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Speaker 1: And you're a mom.

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Speaker 2: This is this is interesting, by the way, because I

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Speaker 2: do think there's so many people out there. You met

580
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Speaker 2: my wife, she's got three we've got three kids, you've

581
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Speaker 2: got four daughters. I bet you are also surrounded by

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Speaker 2: other moms, and it's like the Republican brand for some

583
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Speaker 2: of them is toxic, even though they would agree with

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Speaker 2: you and me and a lot of our listeners on

585
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Speaker 2: virtually every issue, but it's like they can't get past abortion.

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Speaker 2: Do you meet those people, do you see them and

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Speaker 2: do you think they're really decision makers in terms of

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Speaker 2: how elections are won or lost in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, because they will likely never use abortion, or they'd

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Speaker 4: never use abortion past the first trimester, past that fifteen

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Speaker 4: week point. But they are not going to say, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to take it away from someone who had some

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Speaker 4: catastrophic situation happen. I don't want to be that person

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Speaker 4: that votes to take that choice away from some woman

595
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Speaker 4: who has an experience that you will never know, that

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Speaker 4: we will never experience. And so I think that's what

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Speaker 4: people need to understand is these are not cruel and

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Speaker 4: sick women who are like, you know, we just want

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Speaker 4: to be able to have an abortion whenever we want.

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Speaker 4: They are people that feel strongly about the fact that

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Speaker 4: that choice should be there, should there be some medical complications,

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Speaker 4: should there be some just disastrous situation, And that's what

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Speaker 4: they told that's what they've talked to me about, you know,

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Speaker 4: like this is just something that we can't we feel

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Speaker 4: like we can't vote to take that away. And they

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Speaker 4: feel that a vote for a Republican right now is

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Speaker 4: a vote to ban abortion, and whether it is at

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Speaker 4: six weeks or ten weeks or fifteen weeks. That term

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Speaker 4: ban is really powerful with women right now. And I've

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Speaker 4: tried to talk to people across the country who I'm saying, Look,

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Speaker 4: this does not mean that you are out of taking

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Speaker 4: care of women, or taking care of babies, or trying

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Speaker 4: to convince people that having their child is the best

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Speaker 4: option for them. That's not what this means. It means

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Speaker 4: that that work is going to be done outside of

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Speaker 4: elected officials. That work has to be done, that has

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Speaker 4: to be the long game, that has to be done

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Speaker 4: through carrying organizations that are outside of elected officials, because honestly,

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Speaker 4: If you can't get into office, you're going to still

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Speaker 4: have these radical policies where moms can't afford school supplies

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Speaker 1: Welcome back team. Uh, we are following the situation here

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Speaker 1: after you know, the Mitch McConnell video that is now

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Speaker 1: just going viral all over the internet. Uh. Where Mitch. Look,

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Speaker 1: we we are critical of the decision that Diane finds that.

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Speaker 1: We're not critical of anyone's health. Obviously, we wish everyone

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Speaker 1: good health. And it's it's sad when you see any

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Speaker 1: you see a fellow human being who is effectively losing

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Speaker 1: cognitive control in real time, and you know you have

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Speaker 1: sympathy for that, as as all of us do and should.

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Speaker 1: But there was the decision made many years before then

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Speaker 1: by Fine Stein and now with Mitch McConnell, to not

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Speaker 1: hand over the reigns of power to somebody else. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are decisions. If Feinstein or McConnell were running you

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Speaker 1: know the country, you know, the town Square store, we

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Speaker 1: would say, oh man, you know, hopefully someone else can

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Speaker 1: pitch in there. You're United States senators. They're voting on

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Speaker 1: federal law. They're voting on matters of war and peace.

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Speaker 1: They're voting on funding Ukraine's military, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and they they can't function as normal people. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, they forced us to have this conversation, just

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Speaker 1: like they forced us with Fetterman. John Fetterman wanted to

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Speaker 1: You know, if John Fetterman wanted to, you know, teach

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Speaker 1: eighth grade geography, I'd say, oh great. You know the guy,

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Speaker 1: he's going to take a little time to get back

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Speaker 1: on his feet or whatever. You know, he's a private citizen,

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Speaker 1: leave him alone. Federman is a United States senator who

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Speaker 1: obviously also had cognitive issues that came up, but his

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Speaker 1: aren't age related. So it's even a different situation than this.

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Speaker 1: This is in entirely predictable, and it's actually inevitable. It's

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Speaker 1: not even predictable, right, I mean, everyone will reach a

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Speaker 1: level of decline at some point or just you know,

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Speaker 1: won't wake up one day. And yet we have to

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Speaker 1: look at this and see this, and it's a reality

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Speaker 1: in our politics today. This current generation of political leadership,

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Speaker 1: the Feinstein, McConnell, you know that that whole generation, some

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Speaker 1: of them are just not giving them up and we

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Speaker 1: all deal with the reality of that, and it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: It's a problem for all of us.

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Speaker 2: I just come back to if you can't manage a business,

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Speaker 2: and I think this crystallizes it for a lot of you.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden couldn't do any job on this radio show.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden couldn't do any job at OutKick. Maybe Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden could be a Walmart greeter. And I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to be dismissive. I'm just saying, if Joe Biden, would

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Speaker 2: you trust If you owned a gas station, would you

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Speaker 2: let Joe Biden run it? I think all of you

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Speaker 2: would say no. If you owned a movie theater, would

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Speaker 2: you let Joe Biden run it? I think all of

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Speaker 2: you would say no. Airline pilots, Buck, I just look

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Speaker 2: it up to make sure are required to retire at

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Speaker 2: the age of sixty five. I think that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to step onto a major commercial airliner

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Speaker 2: and have Joe Biden standing in the cockpit like waving

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Speaker 2: at you as you entered the plane. I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of you would think, man, this is scary. Or

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Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell or Dianne Feinstein or any of these people

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Speaker 2: one airline. One airplane is a fragment as significant as

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Speaker 2: running the United States government, and certainly it's not everybody

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Speaker 2: over the age of eighty. But I would say, as

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Speaker 2: a general rule, I wish the one thing I could,

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Speaker 2: I wish we could go back to our founders and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: put in place minimum age. If you're gonna say you

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Speaker 2: can't be president until you're thirty five, okay, you can't

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Speaker 2: be president after the age of sixty five. A thirty

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Speaker 2: year window there would have actually been I think, very

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Speaker 2: beneficial by and large to our country.

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Speaker 1: Many of the founders were in their thirties. People forget this.

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Speaker 1: We see them with the powdered wigs, and I think

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Speaker 1: people lose perception of these guys were in their thirties, Jefferson, Washington,

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Speaker 1: the things that they're doing at the time, early days

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Speaker 1: of the Republic, they were young, vital men. You know,

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Speaker 1: they were not ninety. And I think that there's something

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Speaker 1: has happened here where we think that you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: with age comes wisdom, but with too much age comes

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Speaker 1: people need to take care of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And remember Benjamin Franklin was a story because he

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Speaker 2: was the super old guy in the room at the time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else wasn't super old. It's a really good point,

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Speaker 2: and it's just sad that we've gotten here. We'll continue

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Speaker 2: to talk about this. It's going to be a big story.

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