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Speaker 1: Previously on Hello John Doe.

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Speaker 2: So we had the missing person case and name of

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Speaker 2: says phill at Brandenburg.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knew if this missing infant was a live or dead.

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Speaker 3: The FBI had no paperwork on him, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: want to give up on looking for him. For fifteen years,

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Speaker 3: I continue my work investigating missing and unidentified people with

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Speaker 3: the Department of Justice, but I always wondered about the

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Speaker 3: fate of those missing voice until one day in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: a man called me claiming that he was actually one

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 4: And I told him I slept in our conversation. I said,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to believe this. I said, I don't

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Speaker 4: blame you if you don't believe it, because this sounds crazy.

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Speaker 4: And I started explaining. He took the time to listen.

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Speaker 1: He said he was a missing infant.

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Speaker 3: But now had to figure out if this was actually true,

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Speaker 3: and if so, how on earth had he gotten away

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Speaker 3: from a serial killer. After that phone call in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: I had to prove that this man was actually who

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Speaker 3: he said he was. I have my work cut out

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Speaker 3: for me. The man who'd called went by the name

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Speaker 3: Steve Patterson, and it grown up in Charyble, North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: not so far away from me. But the person he

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Speaker 3: thought he was, the guy with the profile on the

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Speaker 3: DOE network, that was Philip Stephen Brandenburgh. He had last

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Speaker 3: been seen in Texas, not North Carolina. Could these two

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Speaker 3: be one and the same. I hoped in my heart

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Speaker 3: he was, but there's good reason to be skeptical. I

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Speaker 3: called up my friend Mike Nance, my coworker from NAMOS,

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Speaker 3: that's the national database run by the federal government. I

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Speaker 3: asked Mike to put step into NAMOS because it might

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Speaker 3: help match him with the person that he thought he was.

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Speaker 2: Throughout my tenure with NAMOS that we've had similar situations where,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, someone has contacted NamUs as an adult,

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Speaker 2: believing that they are a missing child from some agency,

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Speaker 2: some jurisdiction. So I don't know why if they believe that.

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Speaker 3: I totally get that those of us in this business

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Speaker 3: have all hit dead ends, or rather we've hit the

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Speaker 3: wrong ends. We're all chasing hope that sometimes gets us nowhere.

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Speaker 3: You exam a body that ends up being the wrong person.

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Speaker 3: Someone vanishes and has never found Disk on the phone

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Speaker 3: who said he was a Brandenburg could have been the

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Speaker 3: same type of situation. He might be a liar who knows,

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Speaker 3: or maybe he had it all wrong and he was

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Speaker 3: another missing person, not the Brandenburg infant that I thought.

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Speaker 3: I've been exposed to my fair share of heartbreaking this

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Speaker 3: line of work, but you know what, I've also been

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Speaker 3: in situations where hope one out where the impossible happened,

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Speaker 3: even though it had no business going that way. So

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Speaker 3: I chose to focus on what seems unbelievable but possible.

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Speaker 3: For twenty years, I've been wondering if the Brandenburg infant

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Speaker 3: was alive or dead. Mike and I could wonder all

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Speaker 3: we wanted, but nothing would be more final than a

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Speaker 3: DNA test, and Steve was down to take it. Steve,

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Speaker 3: the guy who claimed you was still at Brandenburg, was

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Speaker 3: a little surprised at where he had to go for

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Speaker 4: Swap, the Cherito Police Department, of all places.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not every day goes to hang out

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Speaker 3: at the local police department.

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Speaker 4: It was kind of funny because the guy that gave

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Speaker 4: it to me is like, this is the first time

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Speaker 4: I've ever done this. I'm like same here, I said,

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Speaker 4: I guess we're both gon be the first time and

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Speaker 4: gave a DNA test and the first time I've ever

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Speaker 4: taken one. We laughed about it. He just swapped it

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Speaker 4: around in my mouth and put it in this little pack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the University of North Texas processed it. That's where

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Speaker 3: NAMES was located at the time. It's where all the

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Speaker 3: DNA went. We all waited several months, seemed like years.

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Speaker 3: Steve and I had all these phone conversations around that time.

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Speaker 3: They were used the kind of short Steve wasn't a

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Speaker 3: big talker like me. I was introducing him to tools

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Speaker 3: like ancestor dot Com, showing him what all was possible.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really know it then, but Steve had taking

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Speaker 3: search for the missing Brandenburg infant for years. If you

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Speaker 3: ask me, I think Steve has always had a feeling

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Speaker 3: of not being wanting. He felt like he'd been thrown away. Well,

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Speaker 3: we waited for the DNA tests come back. It dawned

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Speaker 3: on me that if this guy wasn't Philip Brandenburg, I'd

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Speaker 3: be devastating. But I already made up my mind that

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Speaker 3: even if he wasn't, I still wanted to help this guy,

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Speaker 3: Then one day my nance gave me the definitive phone call.

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Speaker 2: We were able to make the familial identification and determined

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Speaker 2: that yes, this is Philip Brandenburgh.

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Speaker 3: Steve Patterson was Philip Stephen Brandenburg, this once non existent

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: He's really a real person and he was really born.

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Speaker 2: And it was just such an amazing feeling. Just so

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Speaker 2: many different dynamics that go into these cases, and you

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Speaker 2: just wonder what's going to be the next chapter and

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Speaker 2: this incredible story of this family.

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Speaker 3: I'd waited almost twenty years for him to find my

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Speaker 3: message in a bottle. Even Mike, the season detective that

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Speaker 2: I guess you just have to understand maybe the mindset

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Speaker 2: of the homeleside detective, because you see stuff every day

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Speaker 2: that you think, you know, this is the craziest thing

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Speaker 2: But then you do your investigation, and sure enough it's true.

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Speaker 1: That for the man in the center of it, It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise at all.

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Speaker 4: I knew the whole time, just in my mind, in

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Speaker 4: my heart, I knew that the Tesla will come back positive.

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Speaker 4: Was no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: You blew their minds, Yeah did You wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 1: be here, but you were.

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Speaker 3: This baby somehow escaped the grasp of Franklin Floyd, the

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Speaker 3: serial killer. So how did he do it? How did

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Speaker 3: he get away? I knew the answer had to be

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Speaker 3: in his name. Stephen was born a brandy Bird but

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Speaker 3: ended up as a Patterson. That's because he was adopted

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Speaker 3: before he could even crawl or speak. It was an

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Speaker 3: informal adoption that seems to have taken place in a

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Speaker 3: trailer part without the usual paperwork, so formally connecting him

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Speaker 3: to his birth mother would take some serious detective work.

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Speaker 3: My name is Todd Matthews and this is Hello John Doe,

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Speaker 3: A sleuth, a family, and a serial killer.

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Speaker 1: The story of a.

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Speaker 3: Family torn apart by a tragedy and my quest to

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Speaker 3: bring them back together. Chapter two, An unusual Adoption. Once

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Speaker 3: I figured out Steve Patterson was Philip Stephen Brandenburg, I

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Speaker 3: had a ton of questions, like how did he get adopted.

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Speaker 3: Why I had no one ever found him? And why

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Speaker 3: did his biological parents give him up in the first place?

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Speaker 3: Safe to say, he had a big question too.

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Speaker 4: I want to let him my real mama dad word.

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Speaker 3: It's not like there's a box of bones to hand

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Speaker 3: to someone the way there is when you idde a

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Speaker 3: dead body and find the family. A DNA test isn't

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Speaker 3: pops out. It's a lot more complicated. The DNA test

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Speaker 3: would tell us who he might match to genetically, but

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Speaker 3: we had to go looking for Steve's biological family too.

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Speaker 3: Here's some old fashioned reporting. We had to do it together.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason he trusted me is because I've

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Speaker 3: been searching for him all along.

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Speaker 4: I think it's neat. I think it's cool somebody was.

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Speaker 1: Looking his girlfriend Janet O'Connor. What should I all go down.

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Speaker 5: He feels that you've been a blessing in his life.

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Speaker 3: But we couldn't go out into the world and get

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Speaker 3: answers immediately. There was a lot that had to line

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Speaker 3: up for us to meet each other first. The pandemic

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Speaker 3: lockdowns kept us apart for a really long time. On

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Speaker 3: I wanted to wait on until we could meet in person,

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Speaker 3: talk man to man. So the week of Memorial Day weekend,

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Speaker 3: almost four years after he first called, I finally made

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Speaker 3: the trip. I flew from Knoxville to Charlotte and met

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Speaker 3: my producer, Kate Michigan. We rented a car to meet

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Speaker 3: Steph near his hometown, about an hour west of Charlotte's.

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Speaker 3: So to complicate things even more, our hotel in Charlotte

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Speaker 1: What a nightmare.

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Speaker 3: We spent the next few hours at a waffle house,

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Speaker 3: watching the small North Carolina town wake up, eating waffles

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Speaker 3: and eggs, and obsessing over the day ahead, the questions

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Speaker 3: we'd ask, What would he be like in person? Would

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Speaker 3: for us? It was an unexpected start to a unique day,

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Speaker 3: A rainy spring day, not human enough to be summer,

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Speaker 3: I was nervous. I chewed up al my fingernails on

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Speaker 1: Todd, how you doing and how are you feeling about Stephen.

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Speaker 1: That's my producer, Kate.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna have to be a man to man.

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Speaker 1: You look in my eyes. You know it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: The things that I do, the things that I have

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Speaker 6: Do a lot of like you kind of have that

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Speaker 6: presence for like living people too.

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Speaker 1: I won't lie.

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Speaker 3: My job is taking me through so many different cases

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Speaker 3: over the years, but this time the stakes were higher

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Speaker 3: than a Georgia mine. There's a weight on you when

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Speaker 3: you're trying to get someone answers. This was different than

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Speaker 3: finding someone's name. I was trying to figure out why

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Speaker 3: Steve's parents gave him up for adoption. It's traumatic. By then,

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Speaker 3: family members helped solve and brainstorm new ways to help

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Speaker 3: find the missing. It was a community effort. I look

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Speaker 3: for Steve, I could prove it to him. I did

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Speaker 3: care for you. You didn't know you were lost, but

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Speaker 1: Today's kind of starts a journey for you.

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Speaker 3: I've got butterflies now because I feel like I'm going

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Speaker 3: to meet somebody that has been a part.

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Speaker 1: Of my life for a long period of time.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he feels the same way I do?

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Speaker 3: And I feel like in some ways I take the

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Speaker 3: place of somebody's missing out of his life, and I

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Speaker 3: think in some ways he's taken the place of somebody's missing.

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Speaker 1: Out of my life.

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Speaker 3: He would have been close to the age of my

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Speaker 3: brother that has passed away, So it's and I'm not

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Speaker 3: replacing somebody with another person, but it's kind of nice

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Speaker 1: You merge on to my south toward Gastonia.

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Speaker 3: I knew ahead of time this might be a hard

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Speaker 3: conversation that Steve had some complicated feelings about his past,

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Speaker 3: about his biological mom in particular. He told me before

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Speaker 3: that she threw him away like a piece of garbage.

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Speaker 3: And I said, maybe she put Moses in a basket.

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 4: Where have you been all my life? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm your big brother now, so you can do this.

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna be easy.

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Speaker 1: He came with this girlfriend, Jeanette the meeting.

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Speaker 5: Just I've been excited all week because he has just

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Speaker 3: They met in high school, just like me and my wife.

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Speaker 5: There's not very many men that would do that, and

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Speaker 6: I'm thankful for that too. Sounds like you guys have

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I'm just kinda definitely not perfect, but it's perfect

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Speaker 3: Here he was Steve with the girlfriend and kids of

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Speaker 3: Why hadn't you wanted answers before? What was standing in

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Speaker 4: It wasn't anything different thanybody else. Just rode bikes and

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Speaker 1: Them short stopping outfield.

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Speaker 3: Steve was raised in North Carolina by his mom, Mary

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Speaker 1: Steve came in with some baby photos.

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Speaker 3: He's got this big head of blonde hair, and some

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Speaker 6: Do you remember when this photo was taken?

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Speaker 4: It was probably at Sears.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a It wasn't old as me.

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Speaker 1: All town's southern thing. It's going to Seers to get

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Speaker 5: It's like all the machiness right here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this crunch, this little crunchy scrunched up smile. In

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Speaker 4: Don't lie don't steal. Definitely, don't steal. Definitely, don't steal.

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Speaker 4: There were a big time into that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: I didn't steal anything, but I guess because I listened

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Speaker 3: He took eight Stephen Jeanett were about thirty minutes early

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Speaker 3: to our meeting. Growing up, Steve really looked up to

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Speaker 4: He worked a lot. He worked out of town. He'd

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Speaker 1: Growing up, no one ever talked about Steve's adoption.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know for sure, but I knew in the

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Speaker 3: Then there was this one important day. He was a

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Speaker 4: Was nobody there, and I found this packet, this manilla envelope,

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Speaker 4: No, it was writing inside that said that. It said

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Speaker 4: I mean, it never dawned on Melbourne. I wasn't interested

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Speaker 5: And did you feel if you're holding a secret in

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Speaker 4: Just one? In my life?

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Speaker 3: Steve didn't confront Mary and Bob. He just tucked away

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to upset my mom and dad asking

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to undermine them.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to roughly feathered hurt any feelings, if

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Speaker 3: But as he settled in the middle age, it was

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Speaker 3: Life started to creep up on him. I know that feeling.

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Speaker 3: You start to enter your forties and fifties and there

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Speaker 3: Who you are where you came from.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it was now that I'm older, I'd like to

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Speaker 4: for health reasons, for personality reasons, just to find out

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Speaker 3: And then he came face to face with it when

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Speaker 3: When the family raised him, he sees it's mom Mary

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Speaker 5: Mary is just as much my mom as you know,

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Speaker 5: having Mary in my life, I definitely think that you

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Speaker 3: She and Steve had been learning about Steve's past. Jeanette's

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm kind of the go between between

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Speaker 3: When I sit down with Steve and his family to

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Speaker 3: so matter of fact. Maybe because I'm a stranger. This

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Speaker 1: I think Steve's origin story is one of them. Or

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Speaker 5: I think if his died hide and passed away, then

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Speaker 3: I could see how Steve and Jeanette get along. They're

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Speaker 3: She's a little more assertive. Put it this way, Steve

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Speaker 3: He sure didn't mind of Jeanette. Then the way Stephen

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Speaker 5: We were just talking in general, and I just said,

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Speaker 6: My husband said he's ours to leave it alone. That's

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Speaker 6: Jeanette said, yeah, he's been waiting to hear the truth.

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Speaker 4: What did she tell you?

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Speaker 5: My name, which was the Phillip Stephen Brandenburg, And at

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Speaker 5: that time she didn't give me anything else. Really, it

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Speaker 3: She didn't have a ton of emotion when she said it,

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Speaker 3: was a combination of three things that day. One Mary

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Speaker 3: Three people all had to be at this particular place

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that she knew that all of this

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Speaker 3: But later that night, Steve finally did the thing he

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Speaker 4: That's when the bomb exploded.

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Speaker 3: And just like that, he found his own page on

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Speaker 3: As it turns out, so it a the first time

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Speaker 3: Mary Patterson is tougher than woodpick her lips. She's super gruff.

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Speaker 3: gotta say, I'd hate to be the kid that pissed

442
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Speaker 3: her off. You kind of have to work for Mary's love.

443
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Speaker 3: But once you got it, you got it. The first

444
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Speaker 3: thing she told us that she was married almost fifty

445
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Speaker 3: years to Bob Patterson. They met on a blind date.

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Speaker 6: Double date. No, that's been too long ago, as almost

447
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Speaker 6: fifty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, she'll tell you when she thinks it's

449
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Speaker 3: a silly question. In nineteen seventy four, she was pregnant

450
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Speaker 3: with a girl, Mary Michelle, but she lost the baby.

451
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Speaker 3: It was the second time a baby of hers had died.

452
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Speaker 3: Right after they were born.

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Speaker 6: Five and a half months. As far as I could

454
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Speaker 6: go with these, one of they were born alive, one

455
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Speaker 6: lived three hours, one lived to hoower. That must have

456
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Speaker 6: been really hard for you, it was, And I've got

457
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Speaker 6: to see the want of the doctress. Wouldn't let me see.

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Speaker 3: Her health and well being, particularly or somebody just lost

459
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Speaker 3: a baby, was dismissed outright. No one ever asked her

460
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Speaker 3: what she needed in that moment. As you can imagine,

461
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Speaker 3: it was an emotionally painful experience. It reminds me a

462
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Speaker 3: lot of my mom and her experience with my siblings

463
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Speaker 3: who died much too soon. It's the kind of thing

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Speaker 3: that just doesn't leave you.

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Speaker 1: You live with it.

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Speaker 6: My daughter said he'd be best fight in Sel, and

467
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Speaker 6: I think that's wrong. That is wrong.

468
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Speaker 3: When she was at the hospital, she recognized somebody she knew,

469
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Speaker 3: Sandy Brandenburgh, who said a few missions away from her

470
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Speaker 3: at the garment factory, Mary was a seamstress third in

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four. Both women were pregnant at the same time.

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Speaker 6: She was a beautiful woman when she was young, beautiful,

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Speaker 6: little short, peteep little lady. Oh, she was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't say they were friends, but they chatted like coworkers.

475
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Speaker 6: I wasn't wild, but she was. She liked mem and

476
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Speaker 6: drugs and now call. She wasn't in that scene. I

477
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Speaker 6: ain't never smoke that, I don't drink. I try not

478
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Speaker 6: to cuss, but sometimes it comes out.

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Speaker 3: This wasn't really a coincidence. Running into someone you knew

480
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Speaker 3: in a small North Carolina town in the seventies. Mary

481
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Speaker 3: recognized her, but wasn't really in a state to engage.

482
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Speaker 3: She'd just lost her baby, plus, she says, she'd been

483
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Speaker 3: heavily medicated. As far as she remembers, she didn't even

484
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Speaker 3: talk to Sandy in the hospital. After that, Mary says

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Speaker 3: she went on with her life, went on to her

486
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Speaker 3: husband and a two bedroom, single wide trailer where they lived.

487
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Speaker 3: She tried to recover. Then about six weeks later, one

488
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Speaker 3: of her friends read a LORI call. She also knew Sandy,

489
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Speaker 3: and said Sandy needed help. She needed someone to come

490
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Speaker 3: and adopt her children. She couldn't take care of them.

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Speaker 3: Rita since passed away, so I couldn't confirm it with her.

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Speaker 3: This is how Mary remembers it. It's been fifty years,

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Speaker 3: so you might want to take it with a grain

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Speaker 3: of salt or a spoonful of sugar. What Mary remembers

495
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Speaker 3: is that she showed up to a trailer park with

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Speaker 3: her husband Bob, and saw these four little kids. The

497
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Speaker 3: youngest was six weeks old, The oldest might have been

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Speaker 3: in kindergarten.

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Speaker 1: Mary wasn't really prepared for what she saw next.

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Speaker 6: That had never been potty trained, None of them had.

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Speaker 6: When I went in that trailer, there was feces all

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Speaker 6: over the place. They just peed wherever they wanted to

503
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 6: pee because she hadn't trained them. They were kind did

504
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 6: go from trailer trailer baging for food every day, and

505
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Speaker 6: that's said. She wanted me to take all four of them,

506
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Speaker 6: and I wouldn't tell them. I couldn't because I didn't

507
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Speaker 6: have a two bedroom trail.

508
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Speaker 3: But her eyes were fixed on the infant Philip Stephen Brandenburgen.

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Speaker 6: If you'd have seen him, you'd morna know, you'd know one.

510
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Speaker 6: He was pitiful, maggot's in his pants and his diaper

511
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Speaker 6: was stuck slammed to him. Bob's grandma, maul Mary Quinn

512
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Speaker 6: stood over him and washed him, and tears running all

513
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Speaker 6: down her on him. She said, this bitch ought to

514
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Speaker 6: be killed.

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00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: It was a horrifying situation. She walked out of the

516
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: trailer with Steve and tried to nurse him back to Hell.

517
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: Months later, Mary said that Sandy needed to sign paperwork

518
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: saying she was given Steve away. Mary and Bob broke

519
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Speaker 3: the law by taking him back. Then in North Carolina,

520
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Speaker 3: there was a rule that babies had to be adopted

521
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: into a different county than they were born. He created

522
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: a separation between birth families and the folks who adopted

523
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Speaker 3: a child. Mary kept him a secret for two years

524
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Speaker 3: and then went before the court.

525
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Speaker 6: We went through Gaston County and they came in, checked

526
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 6: house out and qualified us, and we adopted him.

527
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Speaker 3: And after that life went on. She raised Steve and

528
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: finally had the child she had been longing for. You

529
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: can tell by the way she talks about Steve. She's

530
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Speaker 3: just crazy about him.

531
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Speaker 6: Chose him. If he hadn't been born, I wouldn't have

532
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 6: got him. I couldn't love him anymore if he is

533
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 6: mine or not. Just love him is all you can do.

534
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: They live real close to each other, talk on the

535
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: phone and text all the time. As Steve grow older,

536
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: she never brought up the adoption, not because of the

537
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: rough condition of the trailer park, or even her own pregnancies,

538
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: but because he just never asked. Instead, she focused on

539
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: giving Steve the best life he could possibly have.

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Speaker 6: He had them hard metal, tonk of toys and all

541
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 6: them good ones, roach scrapers and all kind of toys.

542
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 6: We took him to all kinds of museums while he's

543
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 6: growing up. If my husband was working in Raleigh, we

544
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 6: went to every museum down there.

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Speaker 1: After she picked up Steve, Mary never saw Sandy again.

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Speaker 6: I don't think she even you realized she had given

547
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 6: them to me. I really don't, because she was out

548
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 6: there and law Alan.

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00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: She suspects Sandy was drinking and on drugs. But Mary

550
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: I also knew something Steve didn't. She knew Sandy, and

551
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: based on her experience, Mary wasn't sure if Sandy would

552
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: even be a comfort to Steve.

553
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: He wanted answers and she might not have him.

554
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 6: I don't think she really remembers, be honest with you,

555
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 6: I don't think she remembers what went on.

556
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: In her own way, Mary might have wanted to protect

557
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Steve from the heartbreak that might come from knowing.

558
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: His own mother.

559
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: There was a million ways that Sandy might break his heart.

560
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: So while Mary knew all along about Sandy, she said nothing.

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Speaker 5: So all these years later, like, how do you feel

562
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 5: about this woman?

563
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 6: I don't hate her. God says forgive and forget, you know,

564
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 6: and she brought him into my love.

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: So be it.

566
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Speaker 2: What.

567
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: Steve didn't know his biological mom and sisters were all living.

568
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: Just one stayed over about six hours by car a

569
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: day trip. I had to understand her side of the story,

570
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: how she'd come into this weird adopt and if she

571
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: ever looked for her son again. Once Stephen Janette started

572
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: learning about Steve's past, it was hard to stop. That's

573
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: the nature of Internet rabbit holes. There's always one more

574
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: thing to read. In their searches, Stephen Janette realized Steve

575
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: had siblings, siblings whose fate were much worse than Steve's.

576
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: Some of them are forced to go on the run,

577
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: changed their names. Some of the end up being raised

578
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: by their mother, and others would never see her again.

579
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: And there was one name that kept showing up in

580
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: their search. Franklin Floyd, the man sitting on death row

581
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: into Florida prison. He was the serial killer. Floyd was

582
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: a man I contact you back in two thousand and

583
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: four when I was looking for Steve Stephen Jeanette didn't

584
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: understand how, but Floyd was linked to the family in

585
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: some way. Google just kept suggesting his name.

586
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 5: It was just kind of unbelievable, like like we didn't

587
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 5: even know. I don't there were really not even words.

588
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: It was just like shock and confusion. I guess a

589
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: little confused worried, you know, because I didn't know what

590
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: all he was about to start going through.

591
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 6: But it worried me.

592
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 4: A little bit.

593
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: It was enough that Steve found out he was adopted

594
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: in his original family for strangers doing it was another

595
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: thing that he found his own missing person's page, but

596
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: to be linked to a serial killer, it was.

597
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 6: A very big deal.

598
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 5: You know, you're adopted and you think you're going to

599
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: find your parents. You don't think you're going to have

600
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 5: all this that comes along with it. It was emotional.

601
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: I'm emotional anyway, so.

602
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 6: Yes, I can't help it.

603
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: But I was very worried, because you know, it changes

604
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: a person when you find out so many crazy things.

605
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: This killer, Franklin Floyd didn't just cross past with the

606
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: family for the blink of an eye. It was longer

607
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: than that. He was married to Sandy Brandenburg, Steve's original mother.

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Speaker 3: Next time on Hello John Doe.

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Speaker 7: So, I was in Charlotte and that's where I met

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Speaker 7: Franklin Floyd, but I knew him as Brandon Williams. And

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00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 7: he said that he would help me get the kids.

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00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 7: He would go with me to get the kids, and

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00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 7: everything would be all right. Now that I look back,

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00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 7: I was so stupid and so naive.

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Speaker 4: He's creepy.

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00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 7: He was always creepy.

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