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Speaker 2: At the end of the season. There's only one team

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Speaker 2: All right, let's chop it up for an hour with

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Speaker 2: Danny Parkins. Former Chicago kid lived his dream on the radio,

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Speaker 2: left the city to go to FS one because I

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Speaker 2: a Neetka is pure joy. Nobody bothers you. It's the best.

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Speaker 2: Now the mornings are a little dicey. But I've so

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Speaker 2: I've been experimenting, Danny for the first three weeks. I've

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Speaker 2: been experimenting. I've discovered that Monday is not a bad

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Speaker 2: traffic day. I'll take a driver Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or hell,

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Speaker 3: Oh man? So here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: So you're on it, but just.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it can change in a moment's notice,

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Speaker 1: Like your three week sample size of the halacious Chicago

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Speaker 1: So generally speaking, though, if you feel like you can

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not a television executive, I'm not in business

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Speaker 1: Will they watch it at the exact same clip as

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. No, obviously not market size, relevance,

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Speaker 3: That that's all fine.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts on last night's game,

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Speaker 3: This is a historic time for the NBA.

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Speaker 1: This will be the first time ever that there are

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Speaker 1: the NBA title. And so I looked it up. Heyday

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Speaker 2: Listen to this. I just got this from our Goldie,

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Speaker 1: There you go, Okay, fine, like small markets people that

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Speaker 3: But when it's two teams in the Central time.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I thought about last night is that

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Speaker 2: if he played for Minnesota would have taken thirty nine shots.

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Speaker 2: In the second half, I'm like, is aunt playing? Is

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Speaker 2: And I watched Minnesota the second half and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I will give Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing about last night's game. I was

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Speaker 1: The Thunder aren't watchable. I don't like their brand of basketball.

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Speaker 1: They talk about him like he's James Harden. He drives

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Speaker 1: Not this year, not these playoffs. For five straight years,

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Speaker 3: Minnesota took fifty one threes last night.

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Speaker 2: what does this mean? What does this mean? Okac? They

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Speaker 1: they offered him three years, twenty one million dollars. The

432
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Speaker 1: Bulls offered him three for thirty seven and restricted free agency,

433
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Speaker 1: and the Lakers are like, no, we'd rather have Taylor

434
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: Horton Tucker, So he went to Chicago. Then the Bulls

435
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: trade Alex Caruso to Sam Presty for Josh Gitty. Josh Gitty,

436
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: nice player, pulls up the stat sheet, fun young, high

437
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: upside guy. Not saying anything bad about Josh Gitty, But

438
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Alex Caruso clearly is a championship pedigree player, elite defensive player.

439
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: And Sam Presty has approximately three hundred and twenty.

440
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Speaker 1: Seven extra draft picks and the Bulls couldn't get one

441
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Speaker 1: of them in that trade for Alex Caruso.

442
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: I read that trade and I was like, oh, that's funny.

443
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: They got Josh Giddy, but like, what's the draft pick?

444
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: And it never came Like so Sam Resty is just

445
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: great at this.

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: He's great at it, And I agree with you, they

447
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: will keep a lot of those assets. You can only

448
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: have twelve guys on a team. And like they traded

449
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Josh Giddy because there wasn't a spot for him right,

450
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Like they had too many good young backcourt players that

451
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: were cheap. That's not a problem most teams have. So

452
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll use every draft pick, you know,

453
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: but he can. He can. He can go out and

454
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Speaker 1: get any player he wants whenever he decides to cash

455
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: his chips in. I don't think it'll be for Giannis,

456
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: but I think it'll be for cheap waiver because they

457
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: want guys on their rookie deal who they can sign

458
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Speaker 1: to second contracts because free agents aren't historically going to

459
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Speaker 1: choose Oklahoma City. And he can just say, oh, we're

460
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Speaker 1: what's the one thing We're not a lead at three

461
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: point shooting? Who's the best three and D guy in

462
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: the NBA on a rookie contract. I want him, and

463
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: he can go get him like that. That's what I

464
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Speaker 1: don't think people completely understand about what Oklahoma Like. If

465
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City said we want Giannis, they would win. If

466
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City said we want Durant, they would win. If

467
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: fill in the blank superstar becomes disgruntled and they get

468
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: If the Mavericks were like, we're gonna hold a bidding

469
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: more for Luka Doncic and Sam Presty's like I want him,

470
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Speaker 1: they would win. They have more assets than everybody in

471
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: the league and it isn't particularly close. So I don't

472
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Speaker 1: know how he'll use the poker chips, but I know

473
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Speaker 1: that he's more likely than not going to be right.

474
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: He will prioritize young, cheap labor. And to your point,

475
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Speaker 1: he's not going to trade as many of the draft

476
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Speaker 1: picks as people think because he's excellent at drafting.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know, I was thinking about this the

478
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: other day, as the is when people listen to this game,

479
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: one of the next will be over, and I thought,

480
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Brunson has a chance to be the

481
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: most popular nick ever. So I'll explain the interesting that's

482
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: that's a thought. Any kid under thirty five didn't see

483
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Walt Fraser play or Earl Monroe play. Eliminate those players.

484
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: The young, the young demographic which loves the NBA didn't

485
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: watch him play. Patrick Ewing's a center. They don't sell shoes,

486
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: they don't become coaches. They're just looked at as genetically

487
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: unique human beings. The greatest of all of them, Kareem

488
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Abdul Jabbar was stoic, never a broadcaster, never really a coach,

489
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: didn't get opportunities. They don't become the most popular player.

490
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Shack is a complete outlier because he's a big personality.

491
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: But Barkley is still the star of that show. And

492
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: then you say, well, Bernard King, nice guy. Injuries cut

493
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: short a great career. Carmelo Anthony never really delivered in

494
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Speaker 2: the postseason. Brunson is relatable. He's the size of the

495
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: average fan Villanova, soe you have found him in college?

496
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: He was he was an East Coast star at Villanova.

497
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: A lot of Villanova people in New York and big

498
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Eiast fans in New York. Right, Oh yeah, he's totally reliant, relatable,

499
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: like he's he's a great clutch shot maker, which say

500
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: what you want that is, you know, fourth corner drives

501
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: make quarterbacks, and shot makers make Jordan. And the other

502
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: thing is the NBA now is moving into a time

503
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: you can't stack a roster, and so it's not a

504
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: coincidence the four best players on the four best teams

505
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: are all guards because if you don't have a stacked

506
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: roster and you have a collection of B to B

507
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: plus players, the point guard will control tempo and touches

508
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: for everybody and pace. The league is going to become

509
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: a pace, tempo point guard league. It's not gonna be

510
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: buying the best wings in centers. You can't anymore. You're

511
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: just not gonna have that anymore. Boston's gonna unravel here

512
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 2: in the next year, I mean, or at least move

513
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: off many of their players. Is that when you look

514
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: at Ewing, is a center nobody saw won't play if

515
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: you're under thirty seven years old. Bernard King injuries, Carmelo

516
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: Anthony never won. Brunson is going to be the most

517
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: popular Nick within thirty years. Okay, I mean, I'm not

518
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: a New York Knicks historian. Uh, it strikes me as

519
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: unlikely that he's gonna be more popular, because if you're

520
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: just saying, like, no one under thirty seven remembers Clyde Frasier,

521
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, but there are a lot of people

522
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: over thirty seven, and he won two titles.

523
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Speaker 1: He's on the All NBA team at fifty, he's on

524
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: the All NBA team at seventy five. In terms of

525
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the greats in the history

526
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: of the league, and he's on their broadcasts like Clyde Frasier,

527
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: how he dresses, how he presents himself, like Knicks fans

528
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: who are young know who Clyde Frazer.

529
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so I want to stop you there. Jerry West

530
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: was the logo built Laker championships and magic was more popular.

531
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: That's okay, But do you think that do you think

532
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: that the Knicks are going to win the title?

533
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: I think the Knicks under Brunson are going to be

534
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: a regular conference finals team with chances to get to

535
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: the finals. New York sports outside of the Yankees, historically

536
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: have been so uneven and so inconsistent. I mean, two

537
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: of the worst franchises in pro sports historically historically are

538
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: the Mets and the Jets, and so so you don't.

539
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, as the Knicks unite the city like New

540
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: York basketball, right, Like it's take a lot of pride.

541
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: The best point guards come from New York and Rucker

542
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Park and all of the college and AAU teams and

543
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: all all of the New York basketball royalty stuff, which

544
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I love and eat up. I'm like, there's a lot

545
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: about it in my book, like I'm all for all

546
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: of the history of New York basketball. I don't think

547
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: you can be the most popular Nick if you didn't

548
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: win a title. And I don't think they're gonna win

549
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: a title. I think Oklahoma City would wax them. And

550
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: this is a I guess, a hot take. Jalen Brunson

551
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: has become a Smedge overrated, a Smedge overrated because he

552
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: is crazy likable. Everything you said is true. He won

553
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: the Clutch Player of the Year. Yes, but when I'm

554
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: watching the games and I'm staying up late and I'm

555
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: watching all of the game, yes, I don't know how

556
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: sustainable this is. He's on it. He doesn't pass either

557
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: you or Carmelow. Okay, that that is true, so maybe

558
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: he fits right in. But like he listen, he hits

559
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: every clutch shot. He's totally unafraid. I get why he's

560
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: a fan fait, I get why he's loved. He deserved

561
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: clutch Player of the Year. He's a beloved nick. No

562
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: doubt about all of it. It's totally earned. The guy

563
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: is not afraid of any moment. He's tough as hell.

564
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: All of that is true. But yeah, he got Karl

565
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Towns and mckel bridges and I'm watching the ends

566
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: of some of these games and he's like, well, Jalen Brunson,

567
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: he just took the last ten shots of the game,

568
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: except for one that Josh Hart got on an offensive

569
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: rebound on a miss by Jalen Brunson.

570
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: It just doesn't.

571
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: Strike me as a formula to win a championship. I

572
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: can't think of one where it's like one guy just

573
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: shoots every single time, no one is his peer at

574
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: the end of the game, and they're going to win

575
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: a title. It's exciting. It reminds They remind me a

576
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: lot of one of my favorite teams ever, the twenty

577
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: ten to twenty twelve Derreck Rose era Bulls right like

578
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: Tibbs is coach the now Derek Rose even more local

579
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: than Jalen Brunson, Chicago born and raised, like state championships

580
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: in high school, the whole thing. But like right, the

581
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Bulls drafted Derek Rose, the Knicks trade for Brunson, So

582
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: it's not complete apples to apples, but it's it's close enough.

583
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Best player is a ball dominant guard, team oriented. Those

584
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Bulls teams were better defensively than this next team. But

585
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I know the Knicks fans say, with Mitchell Robinson healthy,

586
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: they're actually an elite defensive team, even though they never

587
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: have been. But it's same coach, really hard nosed team,

588
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: beloved point guard who you ride or died with him,

589
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: and Derek Ross was unbelievable, youngest MVP in the history

590
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: of the league. They were the one seed and then

591
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: the only problem was he had to play Lebron James,

592
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: and so when he played Lebron, it was like, oh,

593
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: they won, game won, and then they lose in five.

594
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's gonna happen to the Knicks.

595
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: Maybe not until they face the Thunder in the NBA Finals,

596
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: and so he'll advance a little further than those Bulls

597
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: teams did. But I don't think you can win an

598
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: NBA Championship this way. I just don't And I think

599
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: that you can't be the most popular nick of all

600
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: time if you don't put a banner up in Madison

601
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Square Garden.

602
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just more optimistic than you.

603
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Perhaps you are, you are, I mean, I think they

604
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: would get crushed by the well I think. I think, yeah,

605
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: I think the thunder are going to win this championship

606
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and people are somehow going to say that they hate them.

607
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know.

608
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: That's what I think is happening here. So I'm going

609
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: to throw this at you. There are some genetic and

610
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: gender realities that seem unfair to me. You're driving on

611
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: the freeway. You're driving on the freeway. Be totally honest.

612
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: If a skinny guy is in a car eating he's

613
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: got burgers, you're thinking to yourself, that guy's on the go,

614
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't have time to stop. That guy is a hustler,

615
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: he is making things happen. A heavyset guy in a

616
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: car is eating burgers, You're like, and I am too. Oh, really,

617
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: you can't even drive without eating. I mean, give me

618
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: a break, Like, what, Well, you can't. You can't pull over?

619
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: You have to. It's a.

620
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: It's a we have no idea about those two people.

621
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: That is how people view Wait, we're all watists at times.

622
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Gender gender.

623
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying no to your premise, you Colin, I can't.

624
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: I love your analogies. Go ahead, here's whatever. There's a

625
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: gender reality. Men can hate each other.

626
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Jordan still holds a grudge against Isaiah. Somehow it makes

627
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: him more likable. Men can taunt, can trash talk. If

628
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: Angel Reese appears to hate Caitlin Clark, it becomes a

629
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: race topic. It is outrageous, It is unfair, and I'm

630
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: like time out. Women athletes can hate rifles too.

631
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: It's not to me.

632
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, is it race?

633
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Well? I hate?

634
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Is it used to be a commodity? Like you loved

635
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: when the writer cup we hated the years. Now everybody's rich,

636
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: but the Caitlyn Clark Angel Reese rivalry. One got the

637
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: best of the other in college the junior year. The

638
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: other one got the best the senior year. One goes Midwest,

639
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: small city, one goes big city. One gets more press.

640
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: I just I look at it and I think it

641
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me that Angel Reese doesn't like Caitlin like

642
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: like by the way Caitlyn's game is fun and flashy.

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Speaker 2: Angels a rebounder like she probably got a little built

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Speaker 2: in animosity. She won't get the press.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the worst story in sports media. I

646
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: hate the discourse around it. I think I think it's

647
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: I think it brings out the worst in everybody. I

648
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: really do think it's it's just show a lot of

649
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: people are showing their ass on this story. Of course,

650
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: what you just said is correct. I one of my

651
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: things to trope. It's a cliche.

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Speaker 3: I've just I like the turn of phrase that I created.

653
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: Less hate in the world, more hate in sports.

654
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, sports hate is good. It is objectively good. Now

655
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: when it leads to like fights in the stands, Okay, fine,

656
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: someone took it too far, but that doesn't mean that

657
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: it is a bad thing. Trash talk, rivalries, bulletin board material, lobbying,

658
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: shots in the press, hard fouls, stare downs, the occasional fight.

659
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 3: Those things are good.

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00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: They're good for ratings, they're good for business, they're good

661
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: for fan interest, they're good for jersey sales. They are good.

662
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: It is good for the WNBA for there to be

663
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: sports hate, yes, for there to be rivalry, yes, it

664
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: is a good thing that is so objectively obviously true

665
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: that I can't believe anyone even dares to deny it.

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Speaker 1: I do think the bird magic stuff is a little

667
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: ridiculous because Burden Magic, in terms of talents, were kind

668
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: of equals. Yes, yes, this is more like Michael Jordan

669
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Speaker 1: and Bill Lambier. You know they were rivals, but yeah,

670
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: but they're not really the same type of player, right.

671
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: They hated each other, they had great moments, but they

672
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: were not like no one was like, you know, who

673
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: carried the NBA to popularity, Michael Jordan and Bill Lambier.

674
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: It was not not how we just got Caitlyn Clark

675
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: is the phenomenon, She's the comments and like that. Does

676
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: that spur jealousy, no doubt. Are there interesting racial components

677
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: to that story that.

678
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: I think are fair to be discussed.

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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: For a league that has had great players white and

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00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: black before Caitlyn Clark, why haven't they caught on in

681
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: the same type of way? Like I think that there

682
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: is like fair conversations to be had there. But a

683
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: hard foul by Angel Reese in a basketball game that

684
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: like didn't even result in a fight, It resulted in

685
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Speaker 1: she said the F word, Like, what the hell is

686
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: the matter with people? Not like I mean, it's it's embarrassing,

687
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Like and the we don't need to name the names.

688
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: Everyone knows. The discourse of.

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Speaker 1: You know who's going like you're talking about people's wives

690
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: and you're making it personal and then you're bringing all

691
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: these just shut up, shut up. It's just so it's

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00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: so beneath the industry to like take the discourse of online.

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Speaker 1: You are amazing at not being too online. I give

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Speaker 1: you a ton of credit for it. Nick Nick right,

695
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: it's amazing how he doesn't read his mentions. I still

696
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: am addicted to my phone. I still read my mentions.

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00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: I have gotten much much, much much and much better

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: about not letting it bother me and not responding. But

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00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: it is so very clear that way too many people

700
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Speaker 1: in our industry formulate their opinions based on the algorithm

701
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: that they see on X And it's just complete horseshit.

702
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't believe that people that go to that

703
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: basketball game left being like, you know what, that was

704
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: a race war a basketball Like, you know, I'm not

705
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: like I it's crazy and I'm not the biggest WNBA fan.

706
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm not claiming to have WNBA bona fides, or like

707
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: watching for years, or like going ten deep on all

708
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: the rosters. So people like Parkins, I don't give a

709
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: shit about your WNBA takes. That's fine. I just know

710
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: sports and narratives that is a good thing for business,

711
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and people taking their online commentary that is designed to

712
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Speaker 1: divide us and then making it actually like in form

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Speaker 1: their sports opinions on television when they are multi millionaire

714
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Speaker 1: former professional athletes. They don't even realize what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: But it's just very embarrassing if I really do find

716
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Speaker 1: it embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my take. My take on Caitlin Clark and

718
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Speaker 2: Angel Reese from the beginning is the league was growing,

719
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: but she's Taylor Swift and tennis shoes. She's not doesn't

720
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Speaker 2: have to be the best player in the league. Taylor

721
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Speaker 2: Swift doesn't have the best voice. Adele does like like

722
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Speaker 2: she doesn't have the best voice. There's some there's some

723
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Speaker 2: visceral connection between young women, middle aged women and Taylor

724
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Speaker 2: Swift that I can't explain. I'm usually good at listening

725
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Speaker 2: to music or watching sports and going that's a superstar.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it with Taylor Swift. There's been Lady Gaga,

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Speaker 2: I connected, there have been, there have been a lot

728
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Speaker 2: of artists. Adele the first time. Yeah, when I heard

729
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: Katy Perry, I was but like Adele. When I heard

730
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Speaker 2: Adele was like, holy shit, what is that? That's Lady

731
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: Gaga did that to me. I remember Garth Brooks years

732
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: and years ago, hearing him and going it was like

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Speaker 2: new country. It wasn't like you know, old and my

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Speaker 2: dog and my porch. It was like cool country. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like Shanaiah Twain. I'm usually pretty good at spotting

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Speaker 2: stuff and going bang the Taylor Swift up. I can't

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Speaker 2: even explain it. Now, she's got she got a nice voice,

738
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Speaker 2: she's really smart, but I can't explain it. Caitlin Clark's

739
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: not that hard to explain. Holy shit, she's taking shots

740
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: that NBA players wouldn't take. She I said, she's Steph

741
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: Curry plus Jason Kidd, the sixty foot passes, the thirty

742
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: foot bombs. You're like half the NBA would not make

743
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: those plays. She's a comment because it doesn't look like

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Speaker 2: anything else.

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00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: Right, of course, if a player in five years started

746
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: dunking like Anthony Edwards, like we'd.

747
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Speaker 1: Be like, oh my god, right, so bull because we

748
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: haven't seen it in the in the WNBA, right, So yeah,

749
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I think that part of it is also very obvious.

750
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Speaker 3: She's the Steph curization.

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Speaker 1: Of basketball has hit women's basketball in a way and

752
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: at a moment. And you and I have talked about

753
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: this months ago now, like listen, part of this is ESPN,

754
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: which the world is changing, Cable is changing, fine, it

755
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: is still the behemoth of sports television. They promote the

756
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: shit out of it. Yeah that helps, Like real talented analysts,

757
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: real talented broadcasters. Real they're not on ESPN News like

758
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: they're in good time slots on good networks on ABC

759
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: on ESPN in primetime on weeknights with a real pregame

760
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: show and a real postgame show and a real play

761
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: by play guy, and they do a good job on

762
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: college hoops and so they I think they're invested in

763
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: it and it's a cyclical thing and they hit this

764
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: phenomenon like the fact that that game there was a

765
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: blowout outrated Yankees Red Sox. That matters, like that, that matters,

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00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: and so I just yeah, I mean, all the respect

767
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: in the world to her talent, all the respect in

768
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: the world to like people who have been WNBA fans

769
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: for forever and have been like now get to say

770
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: I told you so. But I just I wish our

771
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: media colleagues realized a little bit better that they were

772
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: being played by the algorithm. Because they're all athletes. They

773
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: can't possibly be offended by that foul. They can't. It's

774
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: it's impossible that a bunch of football players are were

775
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: so offended by that foul that they had to make

776
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: this big of a deal out of it. So I

777
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: just eventually they'll need to talk about the bad basketball.

778
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: And I think for some people it's just easier to

779
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: culture war everything, and I think it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to

781
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: them is the right thing to do. So, you know

782
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 2: Degree cool Rush deodorant right, Well, last year they changed

783
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: the formula and it did not go over well with

784
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Speaker 2: their fans. So Degrees the whole thing is it turns

785
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up

786
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: the effort, and good thing it does, because cool Rush

787
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: fans really turned up the effort to bring the original

788
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Speaker 2: formula back. One guy even started an online petition and

789
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Degree listened they admitted they ft up. They're bringing back

790
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: the original cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and

791
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: it's exactly how you remember it, cool, crisp and fresh.

792
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for

793
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: under four dollars. There's a reason that's been the number

794
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: one men's anti perspirant for the last decade. It's the

795
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: same reason why people were not happy when it changed.

796
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: So if you've never tried it, it might be a

797
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: good time to see what the fuss is about. Head

798
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: to your local Walmart Target and try the og degree

799
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: cool Rush for yourself. So I am. I was surprised

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00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: by the result on the tush push vote. So I

801
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: was surprised. So I've stated before that two things matter

802
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: to the NFL in no particular order, entertainment and safety.

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00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: Put them in the order you want. This breaks. Yeah,

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00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: I think I think your order is correct, and this

805
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: violates both. It's ugly television and it looks like it's

806
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: going to get somebody hurt. And Cam Chancellor used to

807
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: jump over kicking teams to block kicks. There was no

808
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: data that people were getting hurt, but the NFL is, like,

809
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, it looks kind of dangerous. We're going to

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00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: ban it now. Kickoffs there's data, there's more concussions. They've

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Speaker 2: changed it, the horse callar tackle, there's data it's hurting players.

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00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: But Cam Chancellor jumping over the lines, there was no

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00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: data that players were just falling to the ground. They didn't.

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00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: They just thought in this day and age, it looks

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00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: like people can get hurt. So that's my thing. With

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Speaker 2: a tush push. It's bad TV, but it does look

817
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: like kind of it's not really healthy. I contend it

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00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: passed for one reason, and it's the same reason. Sometimes

819
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: you'll be flying through TikTok and somebody will catch your attention.

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00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: Tony Robbins is the first in our lifetime that did

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Speaker 2: it regularly. He could captivate you with a rant, I'm

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00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: gonna make you a better person. You're like, who's this

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00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: guy on late night infomercials with fran Tarkenton like forty

824
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: years ago, and he's made an industry of it now.

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00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: There's copycats everywhere, but there are these people that are

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Speaker 2: highly performative. Gordon Ramsey, you know Tony Robbins, and there

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00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: aren't all walks of life to some degree. You and

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Speaker 2: I do that for a living. There are politicians that

829
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: are very performative, and I think Jason Kelsey's the reason

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00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: it stayed. I think he's kind of a Midwest grinder,

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00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: salt of the earth, huge brand, totally respected. Owners in

832
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: this league have listened to players for a long time.

833
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: They do. They listen to the players, and there are

834
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: certain players they really like. They like the tough guys

835
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Speaker 2: in the trenches. And I think he got reportedly got

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00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: in front of the owners and he sold them on it,

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Speaker 2: and I think he flipped about four of them. And

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00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: I think he was he was an influencer. He had

839
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Speaker 2: the ability to literally galvanize these guys on them because

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00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: you know, ten, we're not going to ban it. Ten

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00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: were absolutely and like anything else, Danny, there's a third

842
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: of the league just sitting there thinking, I don't know,

843
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: what's Jerry doing, what's Kronky doing, what's Craft doing. I

844
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: think Kelsey's the reason it stays.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's totally reasonable, and I'm sure there

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00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: will be reporting from the meetings on the vote that

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Speaker 1: might very well indicate that you're right. I would only

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00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: quibble a little bit with your phrasing of like it

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00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: passed the vote was to ban it, and they needed

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Speaker 1: twenty four votes to ban it, and twenty two voted

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Speaker 1: to ban it. Right right, majority of the league. The

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00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: majority of the league did. They just didn't get the

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00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: super majority that they needed. Right. Well over fifty percent

854
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: wanted it gone, they just didn't get to the seventy

855
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: five percent threshold. I think that some of the discourse

856
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: around this because there isn't data yet on players.

857
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 3: I agree with you, it looks like it, but there

858
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: is not data on it.

859
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: Jason Delci actually before he came into a lot before it,

860
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: had spoken to how much it did feel like it

861
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: beat him up, So you know, I think he was

862
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: doing the Eagles as solid there. Frankly, to me, the

863
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: only argument that should matter is that it's bad television.

864
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: That's the only argument that should matter. They banned the

865
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: shift in baseball not because it was bad strategy to

866
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: deploy a shift, because they didn't want to see Kyle

867
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: Schwarber come to the plate rip a ball that would

868
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: be a double and instead it's an out. So they

869
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: banned it. In the NBA, they're like, you know, it's

870
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: not great if you can just stand there in the

871
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: lane for ten seconds and clog up everything, three second violation.

872
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: They banned it for the good of the game, for

873
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: the good of the sport, for the good of the flow,

874
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: for the good of offense, for the watch ability of

875
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: the product.

876
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: We do this all the time in sports.

877
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: And I know that Eagles fans took it personally because

878
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: they were the best at and they created it. But

879
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: I thought what aj Brown said just yesterday was the

880
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: right thing. He's like, I'm not concerned about it. It's

881
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: a yard. Do we really think that the biggest offensive

882
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: line in the NFL, with the strongest quarterback in the NFL,

883
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: with the best running back in the NFL is all

884
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden not going to win the Super Bowl

885
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: because their gimmicky rugby play now has to just be

886
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: an old school quarterback sneak that.

887
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, by the way, tom Brady was.

888
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: Excellent at Like, if Tom Brady can sneak for a yard,

889
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: not a great athlete compared to Jalen ERTs. I think

890
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts would be just fine without the tush push.

891
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: So I thought that Philly fans should go the other

892
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: way with this. Yeah, we created something, and now you

893
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: said we're too good at it, and we won a

894
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: super Bowl and you're gonna ban it. Yeah, that's on you.

895
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: We'll win a super Bowl without it, and just like

896
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: and like take it as like a source of pride. Instead,

897
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: they got very defensive and you're trying to take away

898
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: our play and you're making this just about you. I'm like,

899
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: I swear to you if it was the Bears who

900
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: invented it, I'd be like, that's stupid. It's a dull.

901
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: In the in the NFC Championship game, a referee had

902
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: to get on a loud speaker and be like, if

903
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: you jump over the line of scrimmage one more time,

904
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna award them a touchdown.

905
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: That is dumb.

906
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: And then with the Bills did it in the ANFC

907
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: Championship game, the spot of the ball. We have four

908
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: hundred HD cameras and everyone's like, where's the ball? We

909
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: couldn't tell because there's twenty people swarming to it. So

910
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: I just I think it's just objectively uninteresting and I

911
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: don't like the whole point of sports is that it's unpredictable,

912
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: that you don't know what's coming. If every time you

913
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: get in that formation, and I know Philly fencer, like, well,

914
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: one time we faked out of it. Okay, If ninety

915
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: nine percent of the time you get in that formation,

916
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: the exact same thing happens, it's not good television. That

917
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: should be enough reason for it to be banned. But

918
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: you know whatever, Okay, So you know, I just I

919
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: was passionate about it because I thought it was a

920
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: you're a good arguer, You tell me what we think

921
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: about this. What is to stop someone from doing it?

922
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: First and ten from the thirty. Just take the guy

923
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: in the in the world who has the strongest legs,

924
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: make him your backup quarterback, put him under center, second

925
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: and seven, third and four, fourth and two, first and ten,

926
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: second and eight, third and five, fourth and two, first

927
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: and ten, and just rugby their way down the field. Well,

928
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: it probably won't happen, but normally slippery slope arguments suck.

929
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: But I honestly do think that if you allow something

930
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: like this to like really gain steam and everybody starts

931
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: working on it, like the next iteration of the tush push,

932
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like, oh, that's taking it too far. Well,

933
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: then you got to outlaw it. Now.

934
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's such a it's such a beating

935
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: in your offensive lineman. I don't think you would do

936
00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 2: that unless I think it used. The scarcity of it

937
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: is really valuable for even the team that's successful, because

938
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: it's just beating the hell out of your offensive line.

939
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: I could see that happening in crappy weather. Saquon Barkley

940
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: gets hurt and you've got to burn five plays that

941
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: I can see happening. But it is. It is a

942
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 2: beat down. It's like the wildcat. The wildcat sounded great,

943
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: but if you have a good quarterback, it would piss

944
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: him off if you kept snapping to the full back

945
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: like it wasn't good for the room. Right, I could

946
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: see Drew bledsoell, okay, what's the point?

947
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: Right? They stink. As soon as he heard the aj

948
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: Brown quote of being like, yeah, I don't care, it's

949
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: just one yard, he was immediately like a typical receiver.

950
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: He just wants a fade. He just wants a fade

951
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: from the one yard line to get more touchdowns. He

952
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: hates that the balls never going to him. But yeah,

953
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think eventually someone will get hurt,

954
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: or too many teams will do it, h and this

955
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: will be up for a vote again. In a year

956
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: or two or three, and it'll it'll get banned. But

957
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, we got we got another year of rugby

958
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: on zero point five percent of our plays in the NFL. Okay,

959
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: So I.

960
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: Want to end with this, So you would and I

961
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: would admit this too. I've moved around the country. People

962
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: know that generally when I move around the country, the

963
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: only sports team that I tend to. It's hard because

964
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: I love football so much. When I lived in Tampa,

965
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: I was kind of a Bucks fan. I grew up

966
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: in the Northwest. I was a Seahawks fan. I live

967
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. I'm a Ram and Charger fan. I

968
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: try not to be a Homer on the air, but

969
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: it's it's I know people in the front office. I

970
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: have contacts there. Now I moved to Chicago, I've already

971
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: got connections with the Bears, right, So I'm talking to

972
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: people and so and you grew up here, So I

973
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: under I've always understood that Bill Simmons loves the Celtics,

974
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: You're gonna love your teams. I get it right, like

975
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: like in the audience understands that you're still objective. But

976
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 2: I said this this week on the show on FS one.

977
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna take five quarterbacks that we that

978
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: we would, We're not gonna I'm not going to take

979
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: a Justin Herbert overrated, Jalen Hurts underrated. I'm not going

980
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: to take guys on the fringe. I'm going to take

981
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck, Jadeen Daniels, Joe Burrow. Who else did I take?

982
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: C J.

983
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: Stroud? I took somebody else. I took five of them,

984
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: And I said, and I didn't take Mahomes. I took

985
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. So I said, let's get Mahomes Allen out. Okay,

986
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: they're like historically great, like, So I took five guys

987
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 2: that none of us are going to argue they're all great.

988
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: How long once they had a competent coach did it

989
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: take for you to go, oh shit? There as a

990
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: franchise guy?

991
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: So C J.

992
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: Stroud did not throw an interception until week six, pretty

993
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: obvious he was different. Lamar Jackson won six of US

994
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: verse seven, and by the second game you were wondering

995
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 2: if he was even faster than Michael Vick. He was electric.

996
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow weeks two and three is throwing for three

997
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards behind and absolutely atrocious offs of

998
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: line with a coach nobody liked Jaden Daniels Week's two,

999
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: three and four. He's completing like twenty eight of thirty one.

1000
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, this is a cheat code. What is

1001
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: going on? And Joe and So I went down and

1002
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: through all of them. So now I bring you to

1003
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. So yeah again, golf with Jeff Fisher Goff

1004
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: with McVeigh by. Week two, he's throwing for three hundred

1005
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: and fifty yards. You're like, oh, Jared Goff can play. Yeah,

1006
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 2: he's he's beating Mahomes in a shootout on Monday Night football.

1007
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 2: You're like, you know, pretty early in his career. You're like, oh, yeah, this,

1008
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: this dude can play. So first week so my take

1009
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: is good, not great, is hard to spot, real deal

1010
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: and sucks jumps off the page. So week one, Caleb

1011
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: Williams faces Brian Flore is at home perfect weather. Let's

1012
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: say he struggles. Ryan Flores has been punitive to young

1013
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and Caleb Williams is bad. What is your take?

1014
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: I won't be handling you well. I'll tell you that

1015
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: I won't be handling well. He needs to be very

1016
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: good right away. Hey, here's the thing. Obviously, I watched

1017
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: every down of the Bears last year and have for

1018
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: my entire life. He is good. He's good. Now. It

1019
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: was not easy, it was not always pretty, but I

1020
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: trust my eye test. Here. If you get sacked sixty

1021
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: eight times and still have better than a three to

1022
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: one touchdown the interception ratio, and your play caller got

1023
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: fired nine games in your season, and then you fire

1024
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: your coach and you had controversy, and you lost on

1025
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: a Hail Mary, and you had all of that hype

1026
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: and that scrutiny, and the guy who was drafted behind

1027
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: you is having a historic rookie year and goes all

1028
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: the way to the NFC Championship game, and you get

1029
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: your ass kicked and you play all seventeen games and

1030
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: like you're still standing at.

1031
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: The end of it.

1032
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: You don't suck like like bat you said, like good bad,

1033
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a little He's not bad, right, He's not bad.

1034
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about bad. It's I still think the

1035
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: guy's ceiling can be MVP of the league. Okay, Like

1036
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: I still think greatness is very likely an outcome here.

1037
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, Week one, Minnesota, Monday Night foot we too,

1038
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: bet Don gets his ole team. Yeah, yeah, I mean no,

1039
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: I will say this. I will say this. It seems

1040
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: like forty percent of the years in the last like decade,

1041
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: the Bears have opened with the packers. I know that's

1042
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: not actually accurate, but it feels that way. That's the

1043
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: absolute worst. Any Bears fan will tell you Bear's Packers.

1044
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: It just is like a different thing. All of our

1045
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: families have some packers people in it, like, and for

1046
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: me it was extreme. My dad's entire family was from Wisconsin.

1047
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: Like you just you're in weddings with these people, you

1048
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: work with these people, your neighbors with these people. Like

1049
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: my old radio station signal like reaches far into Wisconsin,

1050
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: like you could hear it in Milwaukee. So like it's

1051
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: just like Bear's Packers Week one is too stressful, there's

1052
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: too many grand Like I can handle Bears Vikings week one.

1053
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: I can handle Bears Lions Week one, Bear's Packers. If

1054
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams would come out week one and get out

1055
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: played by Jordan Love and they would lose and he'd

1056
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: throw like two picks, that's just like Sky's falling type stuff.

1057
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: So I think I can handle Bears Vikings on Monday

1058
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Night Football Week one. But if he's terrible, I'm not

1059
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna be handling you. Well I'm not. It's gonna be

1060
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: tough to be neutral. I'll be totally honest with you.

1061
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: That's gonna be unfortunate. Yeah, but he's great. Oh deep

1062
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: dish beets on TV for everybody.

1063
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: No, I saw that first game and I went, oh, god, Flores,

1064
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 2: what a nightmare. Flores just eats.

1065
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great spot. But but again, like,

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Speaker 1: but it can go the other way. Put up thirty,

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Speaker 1: put up thirty. We never mentioned Shane Waldron's name in

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Speaker 1: Chicago ever again, you know what I mean, Like, wasted

1069
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Speaker 1: rookie year? Why did you hire Eve? Why didn't you

1070
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Speaker 1: blow it all up and start fresh with Kate? Like

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: put up thirty week one and all of your sins

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01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: are forgiven and we're good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know the airthing, Danny, that that wasn't true years ago.

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Speaker 2: There's so many good young offensive coaches now in the

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Speaker 2: NFL that it used to be if your first coach

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Speaker 2: didn't work, you were screwed. But like Gino Darnold Baker

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Speaker 2: to ahead Brian Flores then he was a pro bowler,

1078
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Speaker 2: Gobb's first year was not only unremarkable, it was unrecognizable.

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Speaker 2: So the truth is now there are multiple examples. Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold's a totally different player. It used to be there

1081
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Speaker 2: were like four or five offensive guys that were next level,

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Speaker 2: Like every other staff has the next Ben Johnson or

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Speaker 2: an offensive coach. So I mean, god, look at I mean,

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Speaker 2: you go to the AFC alone, it's like, oh, there's

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid, and oh there's Sean Payton, and there's Jim

1086
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Speaker 2: Harbaugh in this and Chip Kelly in the same division.

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Speaker 2: You have those four coaches on staff. So I think

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Speaker 2: we've gotten to a point where if you have a

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Speaker 2: Mulligan season, it just I mean, nobody remembers Goff's first

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Speaker 2: season he was oh and seven. I think it just disappears.

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Speaker 1: Listen. I mean in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence showed enough through

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Speaker 1: multiple failed coaches that they still gave them a quarter

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: of a billion dollar contract. They hit on Ryan Thomas

1094
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Speaker 1: last year, they draft Travis Hunter. This year, they hire

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen to be their coach, who was a big

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Speaker 1: part of Baker Mayfield's success in Tampa, being as consistently

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Speaker 1: great on offense as they've been like he's in your five,

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Speaker 1: Like does Trevor Lawrence enraged me? And way too many

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Speaker 1: fumbles and rinzone interception then yet no doubt, Like I

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Speaker 1: think that like selling stock on, Trevor Lawrence has been

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Speaker 1: totally reasonable, Like his career is not over right, you

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Speaker 1: know it's his career is not over If if Liam

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Speaker 1: Cohen could do that with Baker, it's definitely on the

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Speaker 1: board that Trevor Lawrence turns this thing around, yeah and

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Speaker 1: rips off five, six, seven really good years and changes

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Speaker 1: the complete narrative his career. But now listen, I think

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Speaker 1: it's still much more likely than not that Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: is great than he is mediocre.

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Speaker 2: Danny Parkins FS one love him on the volume stops

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Speaker 2: by about once twice a month. As Alas this was great,

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Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Yeah, this was fun.

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Speaker 1: Thanks going anytime the volume