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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Our two of Clay and Bucket's going

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Speaker 1: right now, everybody, We had mentioned that we want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about the situation of the Russia Ukraine

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Speaker 1: War a little bit. As we're right around the one

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of the Russian invasion of that country. You

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Speaker 1: have Zelenski promising that this is going to be the

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Speaker 1: year of victory. We are, at this point in time

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Speaker 1: told I think it's important to discuss all the different

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Speaker 1: assumptions and beliefs around this. We're told that Ukraine is

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Speaker 1: in a good position to win. You have to win,

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Speaker 1: and then we're going to back them until they win.

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Speaker 1: This is the entire Democrat Party along along with this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no person of any note in Democrat circles

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Speaker 1: got their Ukraine flag pins on probably all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And on the right Republicans, Lindsey Graham, many others, very

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Speaker 1: big proponents. Mitch McConnell, big proponents of not just the

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Speaker 1: continued support of Ukraine, but a whatever it takes strategy

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Speaker 1: in terms of our support and our backing for this,

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Speaker 1: So right now, I think it's worth noting they have

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Speaker 1: already accepted that Clay. There's substantial costs that things are

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Speaker 1: more expensive as we talk about inflation. Now that's mostly spending,

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Speaker 1: but there is an inflationary effect that comes from or

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Speaker 1: a price effect I should say that comes from the

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Speaker 1: disruptions in particularly fossil fuels out of Russia, grain out

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Speaker 1: of Russia. So things have gotten more expensive in some

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Speaker 1: places because of this. That affects the American people. The

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Speaker 1: global economy, which is so much driven by the combination

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Speaker 1: of either fear or agreed right markets and speculators, and

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Speaker 1: how people invest or don't invest money. Is am I

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Speaker 1: going to get richer? Or am I scared I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lose all my money? These things all affect the price

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Speaker 1: of everything from what you buy in the store to

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Speaker 1: how your four oh one k is doing. So there

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Speaker 1: are costs that have been associated with this so far.

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Speaker 1: But right now we're seeing both sides escalate pretty dramatically.

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Speaker 1: The Ukrainians are getting ready for a major offensive against Russia.

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Speaker 1: The Russians have called up hundreds of thousands more reserves

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Speaker 1: to fight on this, and we just sort of hear

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Speaker 1: vague stuff, vague stuff from the administration of what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. For example, here is Defense Secretary Austin, who

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Speaker 1: is no longer wearing both a D ninety five masks

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Speaker 1: mean that, honestly. I don't want anyone in charge of

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Speaker 1: Austin on where this whole thing in Ukraine is going

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Speaker 1: place seventeen. When you look at this and you're making

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Speaker 1: your assessments, do you think this ends with negotiations or

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Speaker 1: does it end on the battlefield? Most likely it will

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Speaker 1: end with some sort of negotiation. And what the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: are interested in is getting there, getting the Russians out

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Speaker 1: of their sovereign territory. And I think that's probably going

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Speaker 1: I'll let the Ukrainians speak for themselves. It really feels

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Speaker 1: going to hope that there's a massive withdrawal of Russian

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Speaker 1: forces from Ukraine and that Vladimir Putin goes, Okay, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. That's what he thinks is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's such an interesting and important question, and one we

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Speaker 1: have been raising for a year now. How does this end?

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Speaker 1: In most negotiations, Buck, both sides feel like they got something.

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Speaker 1: You may not be one hundred percent happy, one side

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Speaker 1: to happen. How does this end? That's the question that

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Speaker 1: People say, oh, you're a Russia apologist because they are

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Speaker 1: presuming that the only way it can end is with

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Speaker 1: Ukraine evicting Russia from every bit of their soil. But

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Speaker 1: that seems impossible now, Buck, just based on the fact

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Speaker 1: effective now have trench warfare. How is Ukraine going to

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Speaker 1: be a negotiated piece now. I also think it's fascinating

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Speaker 1: but it does seem to be a sham. It's military occupant.

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Speaker 1: Having a referendum under military occupation, you know, tends not

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Speaker 1: had in Crimea, they took a big, valuable chunk of

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Speaker 1: No if ands or butts, that'll happen, and the Obama

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Speaker 1: provoke Russia. So let's just send blankets and helmets. Remember

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Speaker 1: that this is the Obama administration. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: for the Ukrainians. And so we didn't think the world

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Speaker 1: let me rephrase that it wasn't affecting Americans day to

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Speaker 1: parts of the Russian Federation before. But now they've created

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Speaker 1: I am deeply distrustful of this narrative that there is

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Speaker 1: a domino effect that will happen unless we do this

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Speaker 1: all the way and back Ukraine to the health. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the same people who are telling us this,

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Speaker 1: and I mean the same people, not just in general terms,

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Speaker 1: the actual same individuals in the Biden administration who are

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Speaker 1: claiming this thought that we were going to be able

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Speaker 1: the biggest intelligence failures since I Rock WMD, and that

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Speaker 1: whole debacle right the fight there was no fighting because like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, the Taliban's in charge. So the same people

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Speaker 1: a greater escalation from the Russian side of things if

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Speaker 1: we really backed them. And also the stories that we're

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Speaker 1: you know, we're all in on defending Ukraine or else

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Speaker 1: that's a fantastic question. I also think this one buck.

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Speaker 1: We're thirty one trillion dollars in debt. We have given

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Speaker 1: a hundred billion dollars roughly to Ukraine. Now, how long

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Speaker 1: this has basically entered a trench warfare style of battle,

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Speaker 1: this could be where at one year Now, would it

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Speaker 1: be crazy to you, buck, if in five or six

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Speaker 1: we going to commit hundreds of billions of dollars more

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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is we've given them a

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Speaker 1: don't understand why they aren't a more part of our

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Speaker 1: we're not We're not warlike enough to continue this. We're

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Speaker 1: You know what a lot of people are arguing now,

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Speaker 1: give them everything then? Meaning give the Ukrainians everything right now,

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about the same people who a year

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the incrementalism has been an effect

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Speaker 1: Give them everything. We got ten billion here, thirty billion there,

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Speaker 1: that they're probably guilty. Now, as a matter of law,

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Speaker 1: the jury is instructed, they're not supposed to draw that

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, America is quite unusual

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Speaker 1: European countries, they can put you on the stand and

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Speaker 1: ask you, you know, Clay, is it is it true

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Speaker 1: that you committed this horrible crime? And if you refuse

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Speaker 1: you're busy since we're talking about trials, the jury four

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Speaker 1: person going and doing in Georgia. Basically CNN, MSNBC all

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Speaker 1: about this Trump investigation in the state of Georgia. You

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Speaker 1: practiced high level appeals court law, everything else. What do

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Speaker 1: when they see this jury four person doing all the

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Speaker 1: doing those interviews was incredibly foolish. I think the effect

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Speaker 1: One of the things I've talked about at great length

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Speaker 1: on the podcast I do every week Verdict with Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz is that the Biden Department of Justice I believe

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Speaker 1: wants to indict Donald Trump. That Merritt Garland, I think

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Speaker 1: he's the most political attorney general we've ever had. I

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Speaker 1: think he planned to indict Donald Trump, and they were

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Speaker 1: thrown a curveball when suddenly Joe Biden seemed to be

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Speaker 1: discovering classified documents just about everywhere, including in the garage

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Speaker 1: the Democrats feel the same way about this jury for

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you and we'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I'm up

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Speaker 1: in New York City. Buck is down in Miami, which

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Speaker 1: feels like the only place that isn't getting snow right now.

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Speaker 1: By the way, have you seen some of this crazy

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Speaker 1: weather stuff that's going on, Like they have a blizzard

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Speaker 1: warning in La County. I don't even know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Tons of snow in Portland. Maybe the crime will diminish

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Speaker 1: a little bit for a while there one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest snowfalls ever. I think they got eleven inches there.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're batting down the hatches all over

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Speaker 1: this country from the west coast as it moves across

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Speaker 1: the East coast, monster winter storm underway and we'll get

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Speaker 1: basically dive into the East. Palestine continued fallout as Mayor

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Speaker 1: Pete took it on the chin as he traveled around

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Speaker 1: in Ohio and had to answer all sorts of tough questions.

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Speaker 1: The economy and the inflation continues to get worse. End

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by Ted Cruz here in a

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Speaker 1: little bit about thirty minutes from now, he will hop

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Speaker 1: on the show, but buck right off the top. As

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Speaker 1: I am sitting talking to you, the entire news media

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Speaker 1: has been taken over by the Alex Murdoch trial. It

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Speaker 1: is airing live. He's being cross examined right now on

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Speaker 1: both Fox News and CNN. For those of you who

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Speaker 1: have not heard Alex Murdoch and don't really know what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Double murder trial in South Carolina that has

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Speaker 1: captivated much of the attention in this country. Another one

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Speaker 1: of these trials and in media mysteries that takes over

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Speaker 1: the media ecosystem. And so I wanted to play audio

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Speaker 1: so you could hear him where he admits stealing almost

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Speaker 1: four million dollars in twenty nineteen alone. Let's play cut thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Would you admit that you're stealing increased in particular after

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Speaker 1: the boat wreck? No, sir, I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 1: You don't agree with that. I think I continued to

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Speaker 1: do it. But as I sit here today, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I took more money that I should not have

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Speaker 1: taken after the boat rec than I did before the

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Speaker 1: boat rat So you wouldn't agree with me that in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen alone, you stole about three point seven million dollars. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that's correct, all right, and you would Would

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Speaker 1: you agree with me though, that that figure in twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen was generally higher than any other year that you've

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Speaker 1: been stealing since twenty eleven, in any year, Sure, I'd

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Speaker 1: agree with that. Wild buck. You now have gotten sucked

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Speaker 1: in on this thing, because yesterday when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about it, you were still kind of familiarizing yourself. But

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Speaker 1: you really, I mean, if you put on the news,

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Speaker 1: you can't escape this story right now. You know. I

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Speaker 1: had just read about it, so, you know, and like

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Speaker 1: so many things, you know, you and I in prep

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Speaker 1: for the show, you're just reading and reading and reading,

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Speaker 1: and so I hadn't really engaged yet and gotten I

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Speaker 1: had never heard Murdoch uh speak until yesterday when they

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Speaker 1: when they first had him take the stand. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: following the cases closely. I just bring all that up

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Speaker 1: because I this is you know, you know this, You

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Speaker 1: know this better than me, having been a been a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: But this is the kind of high courtroom drama that

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Speaker 1: everyone is used to seeing from Law and Order episodes,

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Speaker 1: you know, from uh you know, the Pelican brief all

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Speaker 1: the John Grisham novels. Uh. You know, you know to

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Speaker 1: Kell a Mockingbird, right, I mean you think about all

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Speaker 1: these you know, these different um big courtroom uh speeches

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Speaker 1: that we've seen, and you when you actually do law,

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Speaker 1: and I have a sister who's a corporate lawyer, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of paperwork, right, I mean it's it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of motions and emails and paperwork. Think when you

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Speaker 1: go off to law school, you're like a time to

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Speaker 1: kill and a few good men is what lawyers do.

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Speaker 1: And then you're twenty five or twenty six years old

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Speaker 1: and you sit down at a desk and look at

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Speaker 1: documents for fourteen hours a day on your computer screen,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god. I mean law school.

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Speaker 1: I loved buck. I always te people will say, should

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Speaker 1: go to law school. There's probably people out there right now,

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Speaker 1: young kids, like they're wondering, Hey, my son or daughter,

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Speaker 1: they're interested. I loved to law school. You learn all

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Speaker 1: the interesting stuff, You read all the interesting cases. And

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Speaker 1: then I remember one of the first cases I had

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Speaker 1: was is February twenty ninth excusable neglect on a missed

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Speaker 1: file deadline because it was a you know, a leap year.

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Speaker 1: That is not the kind of thing you sent around

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Speaker 1: in law school studying dreaming of fighting about right. But

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Speaker 1: that's what the actual reality of most lawyering is. Everyone believes,

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Speaker 1: you know, I took what were the equival with some

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Speaker 1: pre law classes in undergrad and everyone thinks they're going

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Speaker 1: to end up arguing some major First Amendment case on

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Speaker 1: the you know, right in front of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: or something. By the way, Ted Cruz, who has done that,

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Speaker 1: he'll be with us in a little bit so we

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Speaker 1: can ask him about a range of issues, including East Palestine,

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Speaker 1: including I also asked Ted Cruze a bit more about Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: because there does seem to be this, uh, this reality

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Speaker 1: that is increasingly upsetting when you pay attention to it,

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Speaker 1: that a lot of Republicans are just going along with

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Speaker 1: this and don't feel the need to explain to their

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Speaker 1: voters why are we doing this? What are the outer

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Speaker 1: limits of what we're doing in Ukraine. But but just

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Speaker 1: to come back to the Murdoch trial, h it is

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Speaker 1: it is high court from drama. You have a multi

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Speaker 1: millionaire attorney, yep, right, all in the stand. This would

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Speaker 1: be the plot of a best selling John Grisham or

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Speaker 1: who's the other Um, who's the one from like Illinois?

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Speaker 1: Isn't there another Scott trow Yeah, thank you exactly Scott Arrow. Um.

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Speaker 1: This could be one of the one of those novels

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Speaker 1: I do. I do think though, it's interesting to hear

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Speaker 1: him as well when he's talking about his opioid addiction,

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Speaker 1: and this ties into what we often discussed with the

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Speaker 1: border and the worst drug We have the word drug

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Speaker 1: problem in this country right now. In history, yes, in history,

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Speaker 1: more people dying from drugs, more people addicted to drugs,

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Speaker 1: and the death number. I think everybody has to remember

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Speaker 1: for every person who overdoses, there are one hundred, perhaps

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Speaker 1: a thousand, I mean, I don't know the actual number,

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Speaker 1: but who are extremely addicted, Yes, and that's destroying families,

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Speaker 1: that's resulting in a lot of criminal behavior. When you

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Speaker 1: go into these democrat hellhole cities, the areas in the

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Speaker 1: downtowns where you're seeing people, will you know, the people

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Speaker 1: will say, oh, well, there there's a homelessness problem, although

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Speaker 1: there's actually a congregation often of opioid addicts who are

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Speaker 1: trying to feed their habit, who are committing a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of crimes, usually property crimes, but sometimes violent crimes.

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Speaker 1: And you think of the degradation that has across society.

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy who's a multi millionaire lawyer, and put

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Speaker 1: aside them the murderers and all the other tragedy. For

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Speaker 1: a second, that's your front and center the trial. But

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Speaker 1: just this can destroy your life. Oh, it will ruin

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Speaker 1: your life as fast as a terminal disease if it

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Speaker 1: if it gets bad enough. And this is exactly what

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Speaker 1: you're hearing on the stand. I wonder, you know, if

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Speaker 1: the jury views this sympathetically or he's so damaged that

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Speaker 1: clearly he's the guy who did these murders, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's tough to see how they

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Speaker 1: would how they would view it. I listened Clay all morning.

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Speaker 1: I was listening all morning to this trial. Buck. One

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Speaker 1: of the great things. And you just hit on it

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Speaker 1: that we did in law school, because you don't get

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Speaker 1: to do it very often Vanderbilt, and I'm sure many

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Speaker 1: other law schools do as well. I can't speak to it,

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Speaker 1: but I when I was in law school, we had

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Speaker 1: a trial advocacy course. You had to be a three L.

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Speaker 1: I think your last year of law school to take it,

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Speaker 1: and they have rigged a courtroom and I built a

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Speaker 1: these cameras, and they bring in people who want to

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Speaker 1: serve as jurors, and they tape all of their deliberations.

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Speaker 1: So you put on a trial and you have witnesses

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Speaker 1: and you then get to watch as they deliberate. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what witnesses were trustworthy? What attorneys did we like? What

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Speaker 1: did they do that we liked? What did we do

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Speaker 1: that they didn't like? Because so much of this, as

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Speaker 1: you can see, it's storytelling, and it is it is

647
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Speaker 1: very theatrical. And one of the things you learn is

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Speaker 1: to your point earlier on, everybody has watched a Few

649
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Speaker 1: Good Men, everybody has watched A Time to Kill, all

650
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Speaker 1: of these different iconic films. The jurors now expect for

651
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Speaker 1: the lawyers to put on a show. Right, So the

652
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer aspect is now influenced in many ways by

653
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Speaker 1: the expectations that the jurors have from Hollywood, and so

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Speaker 1: it is it is always interesting in what way the

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Speaker 1: connections occur. And obviously when you're watching see an enter

656
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Speaker 1: Fox News right now, they're not ever putting the jury on,

657
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: so you can't see how they're responding to people on

658
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Speaker 1: the witness stand. Do they find the tears from Alex Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: Do they find that like crocodile tears? Do they find

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Speaker 1: it evidence of his sincerity? You never know, And so

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Speaker 1: that is why this, to me is so incredibly interesting

662
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Speaker 1: to try to analyze what might happen. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: you very rarely see a defendant in a case like

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Speaker 1: this take the witness stand, get cross examined, especially a

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Speaker 1: lawyer who has spent a lot of time in a

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Speaker 1: courtroom as the trial attorney, you know, on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the bench, to then be a witness, it's captivating.

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Speaker 1: I mean my understanding is that his lawyers, his defense team,

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Speaker 1: we're telling him don't do this as and don't take

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Speaker 1: the stand, but he realizes it doesn't look good for him.

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Speaker 1: I mean that the preponderance of the evidence right now

672
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Speaker 1: is clearly against him. And I think that because he

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Speaker 1: is a lawyer, he has decided that he might be

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Speaker 1: able to break that usual standard of a well advised

675
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Speaker 1: defendant will not take the stand in their own defense.

676
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Speaker 1: That that's this is just you know, you hear this

677
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Speaker 1: from again watching Law and Order and all these different

678
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: programs that that give people some sense of it, but

679
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Speaker 1: also the totality of the events around around this case.

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Speaker 1: Um when you look at the death of that young

681
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Speaker 1: girl in the boating accident, what that did to obviously

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Speaker 1: her family, but also the impact of that on the

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Speaker 1: on the Murdoch family, the death of the UMU household

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Speaker 1: employee who fell down the stairs with a balloon life

685
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Speaker 1: insurance policy that went to I mean, I've that's that

686
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Speaker 1: to me, that is among the most suspicious of all

687
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Speaker 1: and that would have never come out buck if we

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Speaker 1: hadn't had all these other things come out right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just crazy, all the different tend

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Speaker 1: ls to the story. And you've got a guy who

691
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Speaker 1: we know he's an opioid addict, uh the Daily Daily

692
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Speaker 1: Mail reporting that he had a pill habit of sixty

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Speaker 1: pills a day and that he was going through to

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Speaker 1: the point about how destructive an opioid habit can be

695
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Speaker 1: and how much more powerful, you know. I do think

696
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Speaker 1: there needs to be on a policy level, on a

697
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Speaker 1: political level, stepping back from this, a rethink about the drugs,

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Speaker 1: drugs drug laws and all this stuff we talked because

699
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Speaker 1: for a long time, certainly from i'd say the last

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Speaker 1: fifteen years or so, there was such a focus on

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Speaker 1: marijuana and legalization. It happened as a whole bunch of cities,

702
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: happened in a number of states, and people start to think, well,

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Speaker 1: all drugs, you know, illegal drugs, are legal drugs. We

704
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Speaker 1: should just legalize everything. Opioids are different. These things are

705
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Speaker 1: so potent, so addictive, and can kill you so easily

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Speaker 1: that to talk about them in the same sentence as

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Speaker 1: you know, marijuana or even some of the other Schedule

708
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Speaker 1: one drugs, I think is a mistake. I think this

709
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Speaker 1: is a whole different category. This has to be seen

710
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Speaker 1: as as a scourge across all of society. And you

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Speaker 1: have a sixty thousand dollars a week pill habit they

712
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Speaker 1: think about, think about it. I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: that's possible. It's wild. And in terms of him on

714
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Speaker 1: the Standbuck, the one thing I wonder, and I think

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Speaker 1: you were right about. You know, generally speaking, guys don't

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Speaker 1: take the stand in their own defense. But the one

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Speaker 1: thing I wonder is he spent so much time in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom himself. Has he been trying to read the jury,

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Speaker 1: and does he think that he's got one or two

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Speaker 1: people on this jury that he might be able to

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Speaker 1: persuade not to argue that he is guilty, because I

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Speaker 1: think the idea and so he's going for some form

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Speaker 1: of a hung trial. I think the idea that he's

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Speaker 1: going to be able to persuade, based on the evidence

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Speaker 1: that I've seen twelve jurors, that he's not guilty is

726
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Speaker 1: highly improbable in my opinion. But he may have been

727
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: sitting in that courtroom looking and observing himself, and I

728
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Speaker 1: wonder in some fashion whether he could be trying to

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Speaker 1: give his testimony in a way that appeals to those

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Speaker 1: one or two that he feels maybe sympathetic to his argument. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll have Ted Cruz with us in just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We can ask him about this, and also we'll talk

733
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Speaker 1: to him about East Palestine, Ukraine, Biden administration. What will

734
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Speaker 1: run the run the gamut with Ted Cruz coming up

735
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Speaker 1: just a minute and a little bit like having an

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Speaker 1: NBA All Star assessing the you know, someone else playing

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Speaker 1: playing out on the basketball court. Because he's a guy

738
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Speaker 1: who's done big cases at the top level. Woke activists

739
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Speaker 1: as you know, have seized control of America's schools. Now,

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Speaker 1: a group of investment firms that Americans and trust with

741
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Speaker 1: our pensions and retirements are playing woke politics with your

742
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Speaker 1: money without our knowledge or consent. A few large investment

743
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Speaker 1: firms names you know that control trillions of dollars of

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Speaker 1: your money are using those dollars to advance their woke

745
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Speaker 1: ideology through a progressive social scoring program called ESG. They

746
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Speaker 1: claim it promotes corporate responsibility. What they're really doing is

747
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Speaker 1: using americans hard earned money to finance their political agenda,

748
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Speaker 1: forcing businesses to comply or else. Some state leaders are

749
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Speaker 1: fighting back and more are joining, letting those investment firms

750
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Speaker 1: know they can't play politics with our pensions. They can

751
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Speaker 1: either do their jobs, maximize returns for shareholders, or get lost.

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Speaker 1: To learn more, go to consumers Research dot org. They've

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Speaker 1: To learn more about their mission to protect consumers from

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Speaker 1: woke investment firms. Consumersresearch dot org. We are closing up

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Speaker 1: shop here on Clay and Buck for the weekend, and

758
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you if you missed any

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Speaker 1: of the show, or if you want to hear some

760
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: of our Deep Dive podcast offerings, long form interviews, sit

761
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: downs with people of note. I just spoke to my

762
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 1: buddy John Cardillo, former MYPD We talked crime, we talked

763
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: Trump v. DeSantis, a lot of interesting stuff. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast The iHeart app

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Speaker 1: a great way to do that. But wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to podcasts and you can check it out there. Great

767
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: weekend content for all of you all across the land.

768
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Speaker 1: Speaking of content, a couple things have come down. First

769
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Speaker 1: of all, Succession is coming out soon and it will

770
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: be in its final season, which which I think it's run.

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00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: It's I like it a lot. I've enjoyed it. I

772
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Speaker 1: think it has run its course, so I'll just put

773
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Speaker 1: that out there. I think we've we've kind of had

774
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Speaker 1: enough versions of like who was going to be in

775
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: charge of this company? Ed? You know? But anyway, for

776
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: fourth and final season, Carry made me finally catch up

777
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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone season five, so we are going to start

778
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Speaker 1: watching Yellowstone season five soon. We have also been watching

779
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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, which with Harrison for I haven't hell

780
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: in here and yet pretty good, pretty good, violent, but

781
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: but pretty good. And you, Clay, were at a superhero movie.

782
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Speaker 1: Aunt is this now? I've never seen aunt Man? Is

783
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd aunt Man? Right, that's right, that's right. So

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Speaker 1: he got to be a super Wow, the guy from Clueless,

785
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Speaker 1: the stepbrother from Clueless is now a superhero. Isn't an

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Speaker 1: amazing how the world changes? Did you like the ant

787
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Speaker 1: Man movie? You tell me it was a little bit

788
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Speaker 1: hard to follow. Yeah, So Paul Rudd is aunt Man.

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Speaker 1: Evangeline Lily for those of you out there who watched

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Speaker 1: Loss back in the day, which was a really fun show,

791
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: is the Wasp I watched. So my my eight year old,

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Speaker 1: in particular, my second grader is as many second graders,

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Speaker 1: I would say, especially these days are, but even back

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid too obsessed with superheroes. Right.

795
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Speaker 1: So he watches every one of these superhero movies, and

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Speaker 1: he also watches along with my wife Laura. They watch

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Speaker 1: a lot of the different paraphernalia, you know, like the

798
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: shows that surround them, that that air. So he's kind

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Speaker 1: of an expert on superheroes. I'm gonna be honest with

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Speaker 1: you about halfway through this ant Man in the Wasp movie,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to my eight year old and I

802
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: have to lean over to him and start asking him

803
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Speaker 1: all sorts of questions so that I can keep up

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Speaker 1: with what's going on in the movie. And it's a

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Speaker 1: new low. I think in my ability to comprehend narratives

806
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Speaker 1: that I can't even keep up now with superhero movies.

807
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Speaker 1: So I have to ask my kid, like, now, who

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Speaker 1: is this guy? Why does he matter? And I there's

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Speaker 1: got to be other parents out there with me that

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Speaker 1: are in this camp now where you just can't even

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Speaker 1: keep up because they've created such a universe of all

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Speaker 1: the different superheroes that I, you know, my head's just spinning.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on now? Show? Speaking

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Speaker 1: of parents, Clay, Yeah, while I was on my honeymoon there.

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Speaker 1: The place I went was in Bora Bora, and it's

816
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Speaker 1: it's a romantic place. It's supposed to be quiet and beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody there was either you know, older couples

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Speaker 1: who were looking to get away, you know, people who

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Speaker 1: had been married maybe twenty thirty years, and honeymooners. But

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Speaker 1: there were one or two couples that decided to bring

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Speaker 1: not their eight year olds, not their twelve year olds, infants,

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Speaker 1: basically children two and below. And it's not a big place.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big place. The beach area is small.

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Speaker 1: There's like a there's nowhere to go either. You can't escape.

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Speaker 1: And there's one family particularly brought two children, maybe they

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Speaker 1: were two years old and like, you know, eight months old.

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Speaker 1: They would set up two, not one, two iPads at

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Speaker 1: the table when everybody would be eating, because again it's

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Speaker 1: a resort. You have no there's no restaurants, there's no town.

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Speaker 1: You can't escape, right, this is where you're in the

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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, white lotus. Yeah, yeah, you're They was

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Speaker 1: set up two iPads at the table. No headphones because

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Speaker 1: you know, the kids are too young, I guess to

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Speaker 1: actually be expected to use headphones, so they're just blasting

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Speaker 1: like SpongeBob or whatever. I mean. This is a very

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Speaker 1: nice resort. People have paid a lot of money to

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Speaker 1: be here, and I think it's outrageous. I'm gonna tell you,

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Speaker 1: if your kids are well behaved, great, I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: to anybody whose kids are well behaved, But if you're

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Speaker 1: two year old is screaming and thrown as spaghetti across

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Speaker 1: the room. When people are paying a lot of money

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Speaker 1: to be on a vacation, being a getaway, you are

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00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: the problem. I don't know what else to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are responded the same way that you know. It

845
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Speaker 1: drives me insane. I'll just say that we got this

846
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Speaker 1: story sent to us and a no one in this

847
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: audience would ever be the problem because they all have

848
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Speaker 1: incredibly well behaved children, and they understand that they have

849
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Speaker 1: to be respectful and considered of their fellow human beings

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Speaker 1: around them. But this restaurant in New Jersey, Nettie's House

851
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Speaker 1: of Spaghetti, that banned all children under ten. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I respect the game. I respect that. This seems like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, as soon as you have kids, so

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Speaker 1: many of your opinions on kids are going to pivot

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Speaker 1: every yeah, oh yeah, as soon as you are responsible

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Speaker 1: for a child, you're gonna be like either the rules

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Speaker 1: can change. But I will say this, the restaurant banning

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Speaker 1: kids under ten, that's a real mess. Right, So do they?

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Speaker 1: I d like, how do you know whether a kid

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Speaker 1: is like eleven or ten? So here's the thing. The

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Speaker 1: problem comes in when parents essentially will tell you it's

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Speaker 1: not my fault the child can't be reasoned with because

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Speaker 1: they're too young. If that's the case, they should not

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Speaker 1: be in a place where they can ruin the dining

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Speaker 1: experience for everybody else. That's on the parents bringing them. Yea.

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Speaker 1: If they're old enough to listen to reason, then they

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Speaker 1: should be able to be there because you can say, hey,

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00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: little Timmy or little Sarah or whatever, be quiet. People

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Speaker 1: are trying to have a nice dinner, and the child

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Speaker 1: can process that information. You, as a parent, I will say,

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00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: can think that your kid is perfect. They can flip

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Speaker 1: from an angel to devil instantaneously based on almost nothing

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Speaker 1: that you do yourself as a parent. And this reminds me,

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Speaker 1: by the way, this ten year old age thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was down at Universal Studios last year. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I mentioned this, and my youngest kid, really

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Speaker 1: buck wanted to ride the Hagrid Ride, same little kid

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Speaker 1: that's given me all the tips on the Marvel movies,

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Speaker 1: and they have the you know, the height restriction and

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Speaker 1: literally he's at it like I mean, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: millimeters of difference, and he was really upset because he

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Speaker 1: got turned away the year before. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 1: this is a brilliant parenting move or or everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: be like this is a disaster idea. I rolled up

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Speaker 1: his socks in his tennis shoes, put them underneath his

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Speaker 1: heel so that he could get that extra millimeter of

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Speaker 1: height to be able to ride the Hagrid ride. So

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Speaker 1: I like that what you're gonna see, rolled up one

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Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill and put the wallet in the put

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Speaker 1: the wallet in the shoe. But I felt like that

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Speaker 1: was a parenting hack. Just roll up the tennis u

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Speaker 1: you know, the socks that he was wearing, put them

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Speaker 1: under his heel. Boom, he got to ride the ride

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Speaker 1: that he was going to ride. So the ten year

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Speaker 1: old being banned, I think there's probably a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who are getting told that they're different age than

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Speaker 1: they actually are. I think it's just about the behavior

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Speaker 1: and if you beha