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Speaker 3: Mister Mixed Hobbs from the Infamous to Live Crew.

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Speaker 3: I'm good for sure. I'll see you out there working.

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Speaker 4: Fuck that breakdance and ship Cuz you from the hood, nigga,

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Speaker 4: He go your bandanner, your strap, he go your sack.

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Speaker 4: Shit, So that's that's that's the route I had to take, man.

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Speaker 4: I just you know my gang, I take your motherfucking head. Niggas,

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Speaker 5: Clue places other than New York and New Jersey and Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: Damn well, we was as far as West coast because

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Speaker 4: you know, Dre was scratched, like niggas was really scratching

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Speaker 4: That's how they got that. Those dudes from New York.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about a nigga who was scratching his ass

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Speaker 5: going through the record man. Oh yeah, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: And then I'm looking at I'm saying, you know about

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I always tell people Slip was our producer,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we tried to be distinctive with it, you know,

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Speaker 4: you gotta separate yourself from ship, you know when it's

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Speaker 4: We came from a different part of town. Our gang

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Speaker 4: So that's just what we did. Being Compton's most wanted

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Speaker 4: We was trying to tell niggas like, it's heated out here,

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Speaker 4: right for sure, It's just funny. It's just funny when

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Speaker 5: But it was definitely different and it was no rappers

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, more Valley, right right off of Alessandro, So

436
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: I met him. We both worked at the at the hospital.

437
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 5: I worked in the dining hall and Chris worked in

438
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: outpating records, so he would always, you know, I would

439
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 5: be working the grill, flipping burgers and all of that.

440
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 5: And we stayed in the same dorm set up. But

441
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 5: like I said, word was getting around the base that

442
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 5: there's some guy in there scratching and got turntables in

443
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 5: the dorm room and all this other stuff. So that's

444
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 5: how I met him. He came and came through the

445
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 5: line and asked me about you know, you see, yeah,

446
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 5: I heard you got turntables in your room.

447
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm from New York.

448
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 5: I'm from Brooklyn, blah blah blah, you know, and I

449
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: was doing some stuff at my other other base in Illinois.

450
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: So you know, we just started hanging out from that standpoint,

451
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 5: just crazy, just crazy stuff that you would never think,

452
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 5: you know, how people, you know, how you meet people.

453
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: It was just weird. I mean, it.

454
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: Wasn't weird, but it was just back in those days,

455
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: you just didn't know what you was gonna run across,

456
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: or who you was gonna meet, or this or that,

457
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 5: or who you were falling favor with, you know what

458
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: I mean.

459
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: And that's definitely what that was.

460
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: So you met Chris Warong first. Now Marquis rest in peach.

461
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: You know, I want to say, rest in peace, Marquise.

462
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: He recently just passed away. But Marquise wasn't in the military, wasn't, no, no,

463
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 3: he was. He was still in high school. But we

464
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: would see him at little parties in Riverside. There was

465
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: some cats, a guy named Spanky D and Funk Machine.

466
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: They were doing parties out in Riverside and we would

467
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 5: come from off the base to go to the little

468
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 5: events and Mark East is out there and Rodney Old

469
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: was out there. But they was also lightweight affiliated with

470
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 5: Egyptian Lever because they would come out to the skating

471
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 5: rink out there and in Riverside and do parties. So

472
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 5: that's how we all kind of met. And and I've

473
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: seen you know, Mark cuts somebody up, you know, wrapping.

474
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: It was some some cat. And you know, like I said.

475
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 5: I don't even really know how we met met, but

476
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: you know, were just out at different places, you know,

477
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 5: And I wasn't really djaying outside of the base. I

478
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: wasn't really DJing nowhere. I would just see, like I said,

479
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 5: Egyptian Lover and these other cats. They was doing stuff.

480
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 5: And back in them days, you know, nobody was letting

481
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 5: you get on they turntables.

482
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: They thought you was crazy. They figured.

483
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, so it was you met Chris Wan. And

484
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: then there was another guy.

485
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: In the group.

486
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, amazing if he was enough person that was

487
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 5: in the military. He was from New York also, and

488
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 5: uh he he was a little more versed in hip

489
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 5: hop stuff.

490
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: He was.

491
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: He said that they was doing little DJ stuff before

492
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 5: he came into the military.

493
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: He knew how to scratch and all of that little stuff.

494
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: Not not super duper scratching, but he he was familiar

495
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: with you know, DJ equipment, so he we, uh, well,

496
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 5: we ended up doing We were just listening to all

497
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: of the hip hop from eighty four to eighty five

498
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: people that was coming out with records, which was you

499
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 5: know Man Tronics, uh you know, run DMC, Fat Boys,

500
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 5: and there was a gang of underground accident most people

501
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 5: don't know exist, but they would have records out on

502
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 5: Profile Records. They have records out on Tommy Boy had

503
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 5: records out on Prelude and sugar Hill and different things.

504
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 5: So we're listening to the records and I'm constantly in

505
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: the practice, and I'm trying to get you know, doubles

506
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 5: of every.

507
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Record so I can scratch and this and that. So

508
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: one day.

509
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: Some people turned me on to this record pool in

510
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 5: LA called Impact Record Pool. Foot had the Yeah, yeah,

511
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 5: was you know running the running the record pool. So

512
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 5: we would ride out to LA all the time to

513
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 5: get our records. And then, you know, so you know,

514
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 5: niggas really feeling like they special because now now I'm

515
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: actually getting records, like I'm really in the music business.

516
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: You know, you got the records before everybody else, and

517
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: they're kind of free because you're only paying like fifty

518
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: dollars a month for the you know, for the record abilities,

519
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 5: but we're getting you know, boxes and boxes of records.

520
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 5: It was so funny back in those days, man, it

521
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 5: was like the records that you knew about are the

522
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: major labels with it? Once that and all of the

523
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: independent record companies with records you never heard of? Was

524
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 5: it another stack? That stack never made it to the

525
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: turn table, which is terrible because it probably could have

526
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 5: been some good stuff for.

527
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: That, but you just never se bias shit.

528
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: We was, we we wanted, we wanted what we wanted,

529
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 4: We knew what was the hot shit out. So yeah,

530
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: that's like a nigga. That's like a nigga giving you

531
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: a well known CD. Buy a nigga, you know, and

532
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: then a nigga's selling his motherfucking tape in front of

533
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: sevent eleven.

534
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna be.

535
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: Like, man, shit, as soon as the nigga had you got, motherfucker,

536
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: it's out the window somewhere, you feel me. And the

537
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: bad thing about it is some of the niggas probably

538
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: was potential future artists, you know what I'm saying.

539
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: That was just the bias shit you had.

540
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: You give me, like nigga, I ain't never heard of

541
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 4: this nigga before, nigga pushing this ship like nigga, you.

542
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Probably give me sack of bad dough right here.

543
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: So let me get rid of this shit right way

544
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: as quick as it had a digger hand.

545
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: To tell you.

546
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: You give it the digga, ship the Frisbee test on

547
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: the highway, and ship.

548
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: All that shit on Frisbee and that motherfucker out the window.

549
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: You ain't never gave nobody the Frisbee test still, man.

550
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of times.

551
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: Man, you get some stuff, man, But you know what, though,

552
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: it depends on their presentation too.

553
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: There's been a few cats.

554
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: That I met man that actually wound up coming like

555
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: That's how I met Glasses, okay, and we didn't know

556
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: who he was, but he had this confidence about hisself.

557
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: I said, Man, this dude mighte mess wrong. Let me

558
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: check his stuff out. He at least got the dash

559
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: test and I heard it, and his voice was the

560
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: first thing that caught me. I said, you know what

561
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: you like? You can tell somebody a little green but

562
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: they got talent right because it's song structure wasn't really cool,

563
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: but you could tell he could rap. He was a

564
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: natural that rapping feel what I'm saying. And so I

565
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: was like this, and so I started kind of linking

566
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: up with him. From then I gave him my number

567
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: because I listened to him right in front of him,

568
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: and I say, here, man, take my number down, bro,

569
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: And I got this number, and we've been kind of

570
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: rolling ever since.

571
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Then.

572
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this, So was Vince out

573
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: there in Riverside with y'all too, Vince Amazing.

574
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 5: V amazing v Uri. Yeah, the name of Juri. Black

575
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 5: person got a Russian name. I've never understand that, y'all

576
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 5: would have never thought that. I just figured it was

577
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 5: Vince amazing v him out there right.

578
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: It's crazy, though, that you know a lot of motherfuckers

579
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: who don't know symbolize y'all with Miami, and to know

580
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: that damn all of y'all meant in La you feel

581
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: me like that. Shit is crazy as fun because I

582
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: didn't even know that when I first started listening.

583
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: In the y'all around y'all era, the shy d era.

584
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like, these niggas all from Miami, and shit,

585
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: I would have never known in a million years that

586
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: niggas was right in Riverside in Mobile when they all

587
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: hooked up.

588
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: Right right right for sure. You know.

589
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: The whole way that we got to Miami is like

590
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 5: some needle in the haystack situation with when we were listening,

591
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 5: like I said, the hip hop records and I'm practicing

592
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: and this and that. He said, man, you know what,

593
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: let's try to go into the studio and see if

594
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: we can emulate what it is that we're hearing on

595
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: these records. Let's see if we could make it happen.

596
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 5: Let's see if we could try to you know, we

597
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: have some money, you know, you know, being in the military.

598
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: You know, that's one thing about the military. Everybody feels like,

599
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: you know, I you know, nigga ain't shouldn't be in

600
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: the military. Niggas should be in the military because you're

601
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: getting a vocational skill that you would never be able

602
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 5: to get it. But you just have to go on

603
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 5: the Air Force or the Navy. Don't go into the

604
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: army or the Marines though them the motherfuckers that go

605
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 5: to war and get shot up.

606
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: You thinking you there get some money and the education.

607
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: Next thing you know, they put your somewhere shooting that niggas,

608
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: you ain't never met your life over some motherfucking foreign

609
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: policy board ship.

610
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: So so, uh, we we have went in into a

611
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 5: recording studio. Matter of fact, now this is the funniest ship.

612
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: The eight away drum machine that I ended up getting,

613
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 5: I didn't have it when I was in England. Well,

614
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: we had one of I have met cooked up with

615
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 5: some mother cats. When I was in England, we set

616
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: up a pop locking group and we had one second

617
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 5: place in this big contest that they had out there.

618
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 5: We got like maybe six hundred dollars worth of studio equipment,

619
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 5: so I got a drum machine, some microphones, a couple

620
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: of other little things. It was a rolling six oh

621
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: six drum machine that I was able to get out

622
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: of the out of the voucher that we won, so

623
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: I was able to program on net and then you know,

624
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 5: come to find out, when I seen the eight oweight

625
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: drum machines, which was way out of Nigga league to

626
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: be able to purchase at that time, I seen that

627
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 5: it programmed the same way as the six oh six machine.

628
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 5: So when I was coming back from one of those

629
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 5: trips from Impact Record Pool, I'm riding down the street

630
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 5: and I see an eight oweight drum machine and the

631
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 5: pawnshop window, so I'm thinking I'm seeing things. So I

632
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 5: busted you and to go back around to see what

633
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 5: it was George, shit is an eight oh weight drum

634
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 5: machine A button I think the tap button was missing

635
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: on it. And the dude said, man, give me three

636
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: hundred dollars for it. Three hundred dollars. Well, eight oweight

637
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 5: drum machine with a broken tap button. And I really like,

638
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: I said, I knew how to program it, but it

639
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: was it was a steal of the century. And now

640
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 5: as I'm doing the you know, practicing scratching and all

641
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 5: of that, I got to eight away drum machine hooked

642
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 5: up to my DJ equipment, so I'm programming the beats

643
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 5: and then scratching along with the beats. And so that's

644
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: what made me really feel like I can actually have

645
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 5: a sporting chance of competing because I'm hearing what I'm

646
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 5: hearing myself do and hearing how these beats are being

647
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 5: made with some of these guys that was doing run

648
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 5: DMCs and stuff and Rick rubin them and all of that,

649
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 5: and I'm kind of able to program the same way.

650
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: And man tronics them.

651
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 5: That's what made us feel like we had a supporting

652
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 5: chance to be able to go in the studio and

653
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: do something. So there was a studio out in Mantclair

654
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: off of it and went out then cut a single

655
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 5: amazing v was on one side and China Man was

656
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 5: on the on the other side, and that you know,

657
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: it's it's like I said, if you don't have imagination,

658
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: that you know, into a thought process. We figured out

659
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 5: when we was getting all the records from l A,

660
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 5: we will start seeing these West Coast records and it

661
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 5: was you know, they had like I said, Egyptian Lever

662
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: had this record out Egypt, Egypt, and they had Dollar

663
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 5: Freak and all these other records. The U they had,

664
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: but Cola records, but they had the whole address at

665
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 5: the bottom, Doug the address, the phone.

666
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: Number, like MA give most of those addresses. Come on

667
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: up here and give us your money. We will press.

668
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: We got the money.

669
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: Folk, come on up here, and we're gonna cut a

670
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: few for ourselves out the back door on the side.

671
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: So come on, sobs. Let me ask you this.

672
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: Right back then, that's how you kind of got your

673
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: fur way into production because pretty much back then, if

674
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: you had a drum machine and some scratching, that was

675
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: the beat right there. It wouldn't no bunch of keyboards

676
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: and stuff. You might hear a little piano sound here

677
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 3: and there you feel what I'm saying. But it wasn't

678
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of you know, real intricate melodies going

679
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: on on some record.

680
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: Beating to keep it one hundred. That was people that

681
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 5: you know, just I would imagine eight. No, there was

682
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 5: all kind of you know, musicians, bass players, guitar players.

683
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 5: We said, not no, you can't come, nagger, that's just

684
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 5: not gonna be authentic. Know, the ship was simple funding.

685
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: We're gonna get the drum machine with an eight oh

686
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: eight kick and get a break beat, nigga, and throw

687
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 4: that motherfucker in there, Nigga, and we got the song, Nigga,

688
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: let's go. I mean, first of all, we ain't got

689
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: the motherfucking money to be hiring studio musicians, right and

690
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 4: then back then, motherfucking studios was costing a thousand an hour.

691
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: And ship you know right now, Nigga set up in

692
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: the crib, nigga. Ship is freezie. But back to him

693
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: day when you recording on two tracks and ship and

694
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 4: you know the two inch reels I mean, and ship, Nigga,

695
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: the prices was high as motherfucking giraffe pussy to get

696
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: into a studio, so you had to get in all

697
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: mother fucking you had to get in there. Get in

698
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 4: that motherfucker quick, lay your ship, try not to fuck

699
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: up too much and get up out of it there.

700
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: It was ridiculous. The prices for studio like you just

701
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 4: that's something you just couldn't do. You see our music nowadays,

702
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: motherfucker ship, it's so simplified right now.

703
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: But back in them days, man, it was. It was fun.

704
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 5: Made us better catch though, because we wasn't necessarily one

705
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 5: one take jakin.

706
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: But you have, I mean, the record that you did

707
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: had to work. You can go in there experiment for sure.

708
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this.

709
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this mix when you first heard,

710
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: because you said the amazing V was a little further

711
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: alone than Chris Rohn was right right?

712
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Did you like the way Chris rapped the first? Was

713
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: you a fan of his raps?

714
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 5: Are first, not necessarily from the standpoint of how you

715
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 5: would listen to other rappers, but his the guy that

716
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 5: he liked the most, which he did sound like the

717
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 5: guy that was rapping on Mantronics records.

718
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: That's how that's who he got his style from. So

719
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: list his name was mct He got his style.

720
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 5: Of what he was doing from him and then also

721
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 5: by Chris being you know, you know Trinidad, you know.

722
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: Chinese and Black, you know, Nigga neese.

723
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: You know, you just gotta like reggae influenced also, so

724
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 5: you know, some of his time, it wasn't all the

725
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: way right. He wasn't no musician, but he just knew

726
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 5: being out of the atmosphere of New York, he had,

727
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 5: you know, a lightweight clue.

728
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: He just wasn't a musician.

729
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: So, you know, some people just naturally can just fall

730
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 5: into a groove, and then some people just love the

731
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 5: vibe of being able to try to be in that

732
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: they gonna just make theirselfs be a part of it.

733
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 5: I would say that that's how he was. He made

734
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: himself become the rapper that he actually became. So he

735
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: just didn't have the musical chops. He wasn't that type

736
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 5: of cat.

737
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So y'all get this record down. What do y'all

738
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: do with the record after y'all get it done? Shit,

739
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: we went through.

740
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, we probably looked on Egyptian Love record

741
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: for the Maclas record the phone.

742
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Number, and we called him. We called her this hey man,

743
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: we got a record and we want to see if

744
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: we can bring it up there to you guys. You know,

745
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: don McMillan, come on down here, bring it all down there.

746
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: Let us check it out out. So, you know, so

747
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: we we drove up there. He didn't, you know, he didn't.

748
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: He didn't.

749
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 5: I don't even think we played a demo or nothing.

750
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 5: We just ate, is it is it on Master reels?

751
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the.

752
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: So we took them up there. He took the reels

753
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 5: from us and did about shid. About three weeks later,

754
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 5: we had some motherfucking out test pressings and uh, I say,

755
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: god damn, this is how easy it was to get

756
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: the test. We all was tripping. We got like fifteen

757
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: test pressings and then we got like a box of

758
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: records after they did the initial run of them to

759
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 5: take them.

760
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: The charge of huh they charged off a prisoner, right, No,

761
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: he just took the Master.

762
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 5: We didn't pay for nothing. But they knew that green

763
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 5: as fucked. They knew that we didn't have a clue

764
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: what we was doing. We was really feeding them. Yell,

765
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 5: you got the Master, so he wanted the baby.

766
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: But then everything was selling everything, nigga do They didn't

767
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: know a goddamn thing about music. You got the master.

768
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: It was like yeah, man, he was like okay, he

769
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: was like look he shout of a box of records.

770
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: It was like and then he was shipping. They shipped

771
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: all over seas and everything.

772
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: Finally he was back door and did and everything like

773
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 4: ship the Master's nigga, And you don't get no motherfucking

774
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: how many are impressed up? How many then shipped and

775
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: saw nigga, please nigga? That was the That was the

776
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: ultimate get down back then with them label with him as.

777
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: He left, get y'all a contract? Did he charge off

778
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: for your records? Now?

779
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 5: I will say they didn't give us a contract. They

780
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 5: had the right to distribute the stuff because technically it

781
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 5: was our record company. So they had to you know,

782
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 5: give us, you know, some paperwork to say that they

783
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: had the right to press them up and this and that,

784
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: and like I say, at that time, we used my

785
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 5: mom's address and Corona as the as the record company.

786
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 5: We didn't we couldn't use the military address, so we

787
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 5: used my mom's address for the records.

788
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: So the records are you.

789
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 5: Know, coming there to the house that I should say,

790
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 5: the invoices was coming to my mom's house. So they said, okay, yeah,

791
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 5: some three hundred records went to Saint Louis, some other

792
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 5: records went to Seattle, some other records went to Miami.

793
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: Some records with this, that and the other. It would

794
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 5: say three thousand dollars on the on the invoice, but

795
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: they no checking it. But you know, you know, you

796
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 5: just said okay, Well damn okay. So the records are

797
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 5: moving around, moving around. We don't know shit about promotion.

798
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: We don't have no clue about anything. I mean, just nothing.

799
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: So three or four months that was going on, but

800
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 5: I constantly kept seeing people was ordering the record from Miami.

801
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 5: We constantly was seeing Miami, Miami, Miami, Miami all the time.

802
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 5: So what ended up happening is I was over there

803
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 5: visiting my mom and she said, some guy named Luke

804
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 5: Skywalker called it for You said, I don't know, nobody

805
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 5: know Luke Skytwalker. So he left and he left the number.

806
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: So when I called him back, you know, like I said,

807
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 5: niggas the soa god dead great. It is laughable now,

808
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 5: I mean you could laughing just up be agreed. In

809
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: those days, you could really laugh, look back and just

810
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 5: have a good laugh about it. So when I called

811
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 5: the number, you know, rotary phone, I think it was

812
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 5: a tap phone at that time. So I'm tapping the phone,

813
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: doll it.

814
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Then you hear the ship due beeple. I said, what

815
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of fucking number is this kind of the nigga?

816
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 5: It was this beeper numbers? But you know, you know

817
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 5: about people, if you wasn't in the streets, you don't

818
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: know nothing about no goddamn people real. So so I

819
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 5: guess he you know, I didn't know how to you know,

820
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 5: make it work or whatever. So I guess he figured that,

821
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 5: you know, he called back, but you know, I didn't

822
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 5: leave no number of where you know, I was calling from.

823
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 5: So I guess I did it a couple of times,

824
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: So I guess he kind of figured that might it

825
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 5: might have been us trying to reach out to him.

826
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 5: So then I got on a conversation with him. He

827
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 5: told me that he was a concert promoter in Miami.

828
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 5: You guys, record is doing good down there. I'm up

829
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: here tripping right, y'all.

830
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: Record is doing good. Y'all want to bring you guys

831
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: down here to do some shows.

832
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I'm looking at the phone like kind

833
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: of Steiny, like, damn, is this how it worked?

834
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: And so he say, how many people is in your group?

835
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: He said, well, you know we got you know, we

836
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 5: got people that break dance, we got people that do

837
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 5: the I don't want all those people.

838
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: I just want to know who's on the record. So

839
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, me and two other guys.

840
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: So he said, okay, I'm gonna get you guys some

841
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 5: some flights to come out and come d with shows

842
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: out here in Miami. So I'm saying, wow. I mean,

843
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 5: I didn't even know how to take it for I

844
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: didn't know if he was bullshit or not. We hadn't

845
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 5: talked about what we're gonna get paid for those shows, nothing,

846
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 5: you know. So you could tell by my conversation it

847
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 5: was green as fuck because he had already been doing

848
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: you know, parties with run DMC, who dn tylor Rock

849
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: from out of New York, you know, Divine Sounds, all

850
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: of those guys, was coming to Miami doing underground rap shows.

851
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 5: So he was even Egyptian. He hit him double with

852
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 5: Egypt and Bobby Jimmy and them, you know, rush parting them.

853
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 5: So he had been doing the stuff for a little while,

854
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 5: so he knew that We were just totally green twice

855
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 5: the square, the whole ship. So he he got the

856
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: tickets and stuff for us to come out to fly

857
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 5: out there and do the stuff. We, like I said,

858
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 5: were just flying out there. Willie Neilly don't know we're

859
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 5: supposed to have a hotel. We're wondering, okay, you know,

860
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 5: we didn't even ask about no hotel. We just got

861
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 5: on the damn plane and we going.

862
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: God must had his hands on us or something, because yeah, yeah,

863
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: we was.

864
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 5: You know, he got his you know, hotel rooms. And

865
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 5: he still hadn't talked about no money yet. We had

866
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 5: did a show on a Saturday, and we did a

867
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 5: show on a Sunday because it was Labor Day weekend.

868
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 5: So we got over there in the neighborhood that he

869
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: is from, and he said, man, what you know, what,

870
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 5: how much money y'all want? So he he paid us

871
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 5: two three hundred dollars each for that weekend by flying

872
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 5: us out and all that. Right, So we're acquitting it

873
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: to well ship. That's what we make it. Two weeks

874
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 5: in the military. What he gave you, that's what that's

875
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 5: what I paidcheck for us for two weeks in the military.

876
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 5: So I said, okay, well, I mean that's that's what

877
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: it is, and that's what it is. So I asked

878
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: him could I stayed down there a week? And he

879
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 5: let me stay down there at his mom's house, you know,

880
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: just moving around, just peeping out the scene and what

881
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: it is. It was very cordially. He could tell that,

882
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 5: you know, and like I said, he was a few

883
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: years older than all of us, and he just knew that.

884
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 5: I guess the thing that that connected us. Kid Ice

885
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: had a lyric in his record said like Luke Skywalker,

886
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 5: I got the force every time I arrived, I am

887
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 5: the boss whatever, and was telling people out there that

888
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 5: he knew us based off of that line, like we

889
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 5: talking about it doing the DJA.

890
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: He milked that promotion this off.

891
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 5: You can't make this ship up, man, I mean, it's

892
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: just you know, the story gets funnier in Frontier as

893
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 5: it goes along.

894
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: It's just so so so I want to kind of

895
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: speed up ahead now because I want to, you know,

896
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: get to the real point.

897
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Right.

898
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: So y'all doing this right now? Amazing V I know

899
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: his woman at some point decides like you gotta go

900
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 3: get you a job. This rap stuff ain't happening.

901
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 5: No, No, he was in the military. He was like,

902
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 5: you probably had a better job than me, and Chris

903
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 5: that's probably the main reason why he didn't want to

904
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 5: continue on. He was he was doing civil engineering.

905
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: He was a plumber.

906
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in there flipping eggs and uh in

907
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 5: Christmas like a professional secretary or something. So, you know,

908
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 5: I and at the time that we went down there

909
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 5: to Miami, I was just getting out of the service.

910
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 5: My four years was up. And you know, kid Ice

911
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: and the dude Jury that's still in They ain't even

912
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: supposed to be flying to Miami. It's like, you go

913
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: one hundred miles outside of the military base, you a wall.

914
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 5: So especially if you ain't got but it was it

915
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 5: was Labor Day weekend, so mother Bucks had time to

916
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: get back and this and that or whatever.

917
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: So so you didn't go back. Huh you didn't go back.

918
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't have to come back because I

919
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 5: was already out. I'd been out of the military for

920
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 5: two weeks. So it's like as soon as I came

921
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 5: out of that, I fell right into this situation. Just

922
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 5: you know, you can't you can't make up my story.

923
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 5: You definitely can't.

924
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: Make it up. Well, let's keep it going there. Man.

925
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: So you down in Miami and doing your thing. When

926
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: did Luke proposition you? Like, hey, man, I want to

927
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: do something with the group. What happened? Did that come about?

928
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: Shit?

929
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 5: I propositioned him Basically, I said, man, I don't know

930
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 5: anything about this stuff.

931
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 4: Man.

932
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I see that.

933
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: You know, you guys got these speakers and the ship,

934
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 5: you sounding good, sounding over the system that you got,

935
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 5: and you know people.

936
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: Are coming down.

937
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 5: That's when I met that following week schooly D, you

938
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 5: know from Philadelphia, he came down doing the PSK record.

939
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: I met him. So I'm just in the zone of

940
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: stuff that I ain't never really been exposed to this.

941
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: That the third so I meet him, So I said.

942
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 5: Man, this is you know, dude, got people coming down there,

943
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 5: and it seemed like everybody liked this cat, you know

944
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 5: what I mean? Nick, He never really had no real animosity. Shit,

945
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: it didn't seem like he had those types of issues

946
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 5: or anything like that. So I asked him and said, man,

947
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about this shit, man, do you

948
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 5: think that you can manage us? That's after I came

949
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 5: after I came back home and we went back for

950
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: New Year's to do some more shows that we didn't

951
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 5: negotiate no price for. I'm asking him to say, hey, man,

952
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 5: I don't know anything about this stuff, will you manage us?

953
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 5: He said, yeah, you know, I don't know shit about manager,

954
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 5: but I'll do it. Fuck it, let's do it. So

955
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 5: I guess you know, he'd seen that. You know, he

956
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 5: just knew that the record was doing well in Miami,

957
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 5: more than we could ever think that the record was doing.

958
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 5: So here's the next year. When Chris got out of

959
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 5: the service, Like five months later.

960
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: Like in May, we came down to Miami. We didn't

961
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: have nowhere to live, and we just came.

962
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 5: We just drove and we ended up living at Luke's

963
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 5: girlfriend's mom's house for like forty days.

964
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he had.

965
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 5: To talk to the mama strong enough to make them say, man,

966
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 5: this nigga, these niggas don't know how good their record

967
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 5: is or whatever.

968
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna it's gonna be okay, it's gonna be all right.

969
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 5: Just let them be here for a minute. What until

970
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 5: I can get them a place, get them an apartment.

971
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 5: We was at the house forty days, sleeping in the

972
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 5: living room. Wow.

973
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: Wow, So so stuff is taking off. So I ain't

974
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: needless to say Micola was making some money. It was

975
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: worth the investment then, right right.

976
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: But now now now, I did pull it fast with

977
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 5: all my coola. They thought they will the fast would

978
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 5: all be. I pulled the fast with all death. They said, hey, man,

979
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 5: when you're gonna do all my album for us? I said, okay, yeah,

980
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 5: I'm gonna come down there and do an album. So

981
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 5: I say, yeah, man, I'm gonna give you some money

982
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 5: for it. I don't give you like fifteen hundred dollars for.

983
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: The oh album.

984
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, was treacherous for me. This man, their mothers

985
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: robbing us blind, my nigg I'm telling you, I'm gonna be.

986
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 3: You a whole fifteen and back then by the time

987
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 3: you because you produce everything. So I guess they figuring

988
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: he's going but they gonna at least pay for you

989
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: to record it.

990
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 5: No, I guess that was obviously just some money just

991
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 5: to solidify the fact of me doing the project with him, right,

992
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: So what I did, I said, Man, I'm gonna you know,

993
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 5: I'm gonna trick this motherfucker. You know, he thinks he's

994
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 5: doing something slick to me, I'm gonna do something to him.

995
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 5: So I wrote on the on the contract, this is

996
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 5: an album for a rock on crew, not too live crew.

997
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 5: So he ain't paying no attention to that. He gave

998
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 5: me the check. I use that same check to be

999
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 5: able to drive across country to go to Miami and

1000
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 5: we start doing.

1001
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: What we do was doing down there. Victoa, ain't never

1002
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: heard of you nowhere after that ship, Well we heard

1003
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: from them about a year a half later.

1004
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna wait till these niggas come up, and then

1005
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 4: we finished come in them.

1006
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Right, that's exactly.

1007
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 3: So y'all down there with yo. So you and Chris

1008
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: was down there with with with with Luke. When did

1009
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: Uri decide to lead the group? Well, at the time

1010
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: that we was headed down there, Uh, well, slightly before

1011
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: we was headed down there.

1012
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 5: What happened was we were just letting you know, all

1013
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 5: comers being a part of the you know, the crew

1014
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: in general, and Ury just felt like, man, you know,

1015
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: y'all being real loose with this stuff. You're letting this

1016
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 5: guy be around, and this guy being around, you know,

1017
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: I ain't really feeling that. I don't really want to

1018
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 5: fuck with the situation no more, and we just stopped.

1019
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 5: He just stopped doing the stuff with us, and uh,

1020
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 5: what what ended up happening was now, now.

1021
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I will say this.

1022
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 5: When we was going back and forth to Miami the

1023
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 5: first couple of times, you know, like I said, it

1024
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 5: was so much of a culture shot. There was this

1025
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 5: record called Dance to the Drummers Beat that was like

1026
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 5: the record that they would play at the heat of

1027
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 5: the party. Right motherfuckers were on bomxers in there, and

1028
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 5: they was doing this dance called the throw the d Dance.

1029
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: So what we ended up doing is saying, man.

1030
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 5: In appreciation for you guys helping us out when we

1031
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: would come out and this and that or whatever, let's

1032
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 5: make a song together. So we took the you know,

1033
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 5: Chris wrote down what it was that he was seeing

1034
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 5: at the party out these guys and girls was doing

1035
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: these dances, and I took the Dance to the Drummers

1036
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 5: Beat record and freaked it when we got back to California.

1037
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 5: So that's what started everything off. Lucas, like I said,

1038
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 5: Lucas not no record guy. He's not no producer, he's

1039
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 5: not no musician. But he was a hell of a

1040
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: concert promoter. You know, his whole thing was being like

1041
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 5: our Hayman back in the day, cool jazz festival, the

1042
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: fresh vests and all that.

1043
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: That was what he was into.

1044
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 5: He was in the market and then promoting, So we

1045
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 5: do the record. He started playing the record out there,

1046
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: you know, off of a cassette because you know, at

1047
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: the time, you know, there was no way for us

1048
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 5: to get the record press that. I didn't want to

1049
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 5: take it over there to Micola, so they just had

1050
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 5: they was just playing the shit off of the cassette

1051
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 5: thing that we did in the in the studio. So

1052
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 5: he took the record around to a couple of different

1053
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: places in Miami. Nobody wanted to take the record, so

1054
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 5: he took his own money and started getting some records

1055
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: pressed up to give it to the record pool. And

1056
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 5: that's how the whole shit started with the record company.

1057
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't nothing that he was looking at

1058
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 5: to try to be involved with. He was just really

1059
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 5: called himself trying to help and and at that time

1060
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 5: he didn't have no ambition of being no record company

1061
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 5: at all period. It was just that the stuff was

1062
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 5: just doing so well. When he was playing the records

1063
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: at the you know at the parties that they was doing.

1064
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 5: So once that happened, you know, that's where we actually

1065
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: moved down there because the single had been out maybe.

1066
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Like a week or so as we had got down there,

1067
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: so he knew that there was some interest.

1068
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 5: And at at the same time, once he got started

1069
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 5: getting the records pressed up, he was able to sell

1070
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 5: the record cod to the to the distributives.

1071
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: We was able to pick up some money by you know.

1072
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 5: You know, so I'm seeing the process that you know,

1073
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 5: this stuff, this might actually work. So we get the apartment.

1074
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 5: All the records are being brought over to the apartment.

1075
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: At first they were stacked up along the wall and

1076
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 5: motherfuckers wasn't moving. And then all of a sudden they

1077
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 5: started moving, and then we just had our understanding, Okay,

1078
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: we you know, maybe the stuff was gonna work. We

1079
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 5: worked off of that single for like ten months before

1080
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 5: we actually did the other songs and the stuff they

1081
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 5: ended up being on the first album.

1082
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: Okay, let's get to that point now. So it's just

1083
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: you and Chris Wong at this point, right.

1084
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mark was Mark didn't come into the situation until

1085
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: Uriy totally left and I told Mark, I said, look,

1086
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 5: if there's ever a chance I could do some work

1087
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 5: with you, I'm definitely holler back and you know, see

1088
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 5: if it's something that you could do with us. So

1089
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 5: when Ury left the thing, I found out that Mark

1090
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 5: had went back to New York because even like I said,

1091
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 5: him and Rodney Old went to school together. They went

1092
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 5: to North High School out in Riverside. They was actually

1093
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 5: still in high school when I met those guys. They

1094
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 5: were still digging around with high school stuff. So he

1095
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 5: reached out to Mark. Mark is like eighteen maybe nineteen

1096
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 5: at the time. He flew back out to California, and

1097
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 5: right in my back's room me he had Ice, Rodney Old, Marquise.

1098
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 5: We wrote the first song that we did for our

1099
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 5: album two Live is what we are writing the Barracks,

1100
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 5: because we had to go out to Miami and we

1101
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 5: needed more songs to do at the show. That look

1102
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 5: at book for us because we only had the one single,

1103
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 5: so figuring out other stuff to do. So that was

1104
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 5: done and that you know how he came off on

1105
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 5: the record. Let me know that, Okay, he's ready and

1106
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 5: he's you know, be a part of the thing from

1107
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 5: now on. And he moved out there with us.

1108
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so y'all in Miami now doing your thing, and

1109
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: y'all start working on the first album.

1110
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, after maybe like three or four months, you know,

1111
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: we was getting up enough money to be able to

1112
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 5: start doing studio stuff.

1113
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: But like I said, the money wasn't my money.

1114
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just the guy to know how to

1115
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 5: you know, communicate with the engineer to be able to

1116
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 5: get the stuff done.

1117
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: So you know, Luke would never really come to the.

1118
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 5: Studio outside of you know, coming in there, you know,

1119
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 5: just checking to see what was going on or whatever.

1120
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 5: But like I said, he wasn't those studio.

1121
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Dude that way.

1122
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 5: And you know, the first time the group, well the

1123
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 5: way that he became a part of the group was

1124
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: Mark and Chris didn't really know how to They didn't

1125
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 5: have stage presence, They didn't know how to talk to

1126
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 5: the crowd in between the records, and so luc Is,

1127
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 5: you know, he's out there on the road with us,

1128
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 5: you know, as the manager of everything, and he's seeing

1129
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 5: that we dying on stage. So you know, the one

1130
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 5: thing Luke did do he was you know, the Ghetto

1131
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 5: Style DJs was the name of their DJ group, Just

1132
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 5: like how Uncle Jan's army was so he they do

1133
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 5: a different type of DJing in Florida. They'll you know,

1134
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 5: they'll pull the music down and talk over the records

1135
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 5: and all that old school DJing. So that's what he

1136
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 5: comes from. So what he did start doing the stuff

1137
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: that he would do as a DJ on stage to

1138
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 5: keep the people hyped up. And you know, he would

1139
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 5: say stuff in between the stuff before their rap parts

1140
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 5: would come up.

1141
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: So that ended up working out.

1142
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 5: And then you know, when I was doing my scratch

1143
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 5: show and all of that, he would tell him off, Yeah,

1144
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 5: hes gonna go behind his back and then he's gonna

1145
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 5: do he was Ringling Brothers.

1146
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, Master, he was.

1147
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: He was conducting the whole show right right.

1148
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 5: So that's but but the the funniest thing about it though,

1149
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 5: still he did it a couple of times, right, and

1150
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 5: then you know we go down there to the office.

1151
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: He hot about ship.

1152
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, man, You know said, man,

1153
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna be going out on that stage doing

1154
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 5: this ship and not getting paid.

1155
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: Man, I got to get paid from what it is

1156
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: that I'm doing. I got to get paid. All the

1157
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: money's coming in him already anyway, So you want to

1158
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: cut now, you want to cut what he given us

1159
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: all the time of whatever that he could be skinned

1160
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: already taking.

1161
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 4: The cut, and now I want to cut it at

1162
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 4: because now y'all got me on stage too. So not

1163
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 4: only I want my manager cut, I want my member

1164
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 4: cut because I'm a part of the show. Yeah, I'm

1165
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 4: double I'm double dipping around this bitch.

1166
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: And so and so y'all doing these shows and he's

1167
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: a part of the show now and everything y'all doing

1168
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 3: y'all thing. When does it come up that y'all will

1169
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: release this first OLB. It came out at the top

1170
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 3: of eighty seven. Throw the D came out like like

1171
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: February eighty six.

1172
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 5: We worked all through the you know, without having another

1173
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 5: single or anything like that until eighty seven. But there

1174
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 5: was other little groups that, you know, like Shadi's project.

1175
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: Came out and I used to bang some I D.

1176
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: And him work on the first record, that Gotta Be

1177
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 5: Tough record. We worked on that together with a couple

1178
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 5: of other little records that was coming out that was

1179
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 5: kind of pacifying the scenario. But we only had that

1180
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 5: one single. So as we're working along you know, getting

1181
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 5: the getting the album ready and together. We want some

1182
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 5: pussy song. Basically, it was a DJ chant they used

1183
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 5: to say in the club. And that's the only record

1184
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 5: Lucas on on the first album. Like I said, he

1185
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 5: wasn't in it that way. You know, it was just me,

1186
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 5: Marquise and Chris that was doing on the stuff on

1187
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 5: the records. It was just that one thing that he

1188
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 5: was on.

1189
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: So you knew, by you being down there, dudes from California,

1190
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: you pretty much created the sound for the soft at

1191
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: that time, right exactly. There was there was got, there

1192
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: was cats. You know.

1193
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 5: I didn't even realize this until maybe like four or

1194
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 5: five months ago. There was a couple of records that

1195
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 5: was you know, that was around town that was being played,

1196
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 5: but I just really just thought about it. It was

1197
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 5: the same drum pattern as the record that got us

1198
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 5: down there the first time. I wasn't even thinking it

1199
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 5: was other stuff was on top of it, but the

1200
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 5: what the what The drum pattern was the same. This

1201
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: record was super big out there and people was copying

1202
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 5: what we was doing. They didn't realize they was copy.

1203
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: Gave you the fifteen hundred to do the album because

1204
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 3: they said were gonna get in for some more. Man,

1205
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 3: we canna get the whole album him.

1206
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: This time we got free. This one gonna fifteen hundred, yeah, fifteen.

1207
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: Here you go.

1208
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: So y'all doing y'all thing. Hobbs, right, y'all, y'all doing y'all.

1209
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: When y'all hear me call them hobbs, that's his. I

1210
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: shouldn't be calling you by your government now, y'all.

1211
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 1: But it wasn't been calling me that for years.

1212
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, so, y'all doing y'all thing right, Cool,

1213
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: y'all doing y'all thing. At any point did Luke ever

1214
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: come to y'all to say, hey, mister mix, you go

1215
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 3: be the A n R. I'm starting look records up.

1216
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 3: Here's a contract for y'all. Never think the contract never

1217
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 3: was signed.

1218
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 5: Well, this is what happened. Like I said, we fall

1219
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 5: into the management thing with him. Nope, we're all just

1220
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 5: kind of like in profit, you know what I'm saying.

1221
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 5: He started the record company stuff up based off of

1222
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 5: the fact that nobody would take to throw the d record.

1223
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 5: So he said, Okay, look, man, I want to give

1224
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 5: you guys shares in the company. I said, man, I

1225
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 5: don't want no shares in no company. I don't know

1226
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 5: shit about business. All I want to do is just

1227
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 5: do my part with making these records, making this music.

1228
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,959
Speaker 5: And if you can do that, I'm good.

1229
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm cool. Just pay me for what it is that

1230
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: that we do on these records, and that's that's it.

1231
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 5: I don't I don't want to be responsible or liable

1232
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 5: for something that I don't know shit about.

1233
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't have no clue of what it is that's

1234
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: going on with this stuff.

1235
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,959
Speaker 5: So he offered all three of us, Mark and Chris

1236
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 5: some money as a shareholders of the record coming. It

1237
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 5: was just was too green to understand what it was

1238
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 5: that he was really coming at us.

1239
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: With and but Black.

1240
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 5: With that being said, we were just dealing with each

1241
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 5: other as independent contractors. We didn't have no contract amongst

1242
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 5: each other at all period. We weren't even signed m

1243
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 5: So making the record, I go on and make the

1244
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 5: records market, Chris be on the record rapping. You take

1245
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 5: the records and start selling them.

1246
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: So y'all doing your thing? Now, when did the big

1247
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: record deals start coming in?

1248
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: Like?

1249
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: When did the big district? Because I know he was

1250
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: selling he was making millions of dollars selling these records independently. Yeah,

1251
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: you know, but the thing is the first album and

1252
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 3: go if I if I'm not mistaken.

1253
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: The first album it took like maybe he would.

1254
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 5: You know, in those days, it was so funny. You

1255
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 5: didn't have to give up your amount of records that

1256
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 5: you sold unless you just wanted to get that gold certification.

1257
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 5: You could keep that part a secret. A mother would

1258
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 5: have to audit you to find out if that's really.

1259
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: What it was that you did.

1260
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 5: And so he would always dismiss the fact the record

1261
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 5: went gold. You know, once you say it, when did

1262
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: five hundred thousand? Now everybody we think, okay, well there's

1263
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 5: a gang of money there, this, that and the third.

1264
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 5: So he was, you know, tap dancing around that. But

1265
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 5: at the same time, there was other little record people

1266
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 5: that he was meeting. I remember we had got we

1267
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 5: had did something for we did something for Twins movie

1268
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 5: soundtrack that was like maybe like a year later. But

1269
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 5: he would get all kinds of little offshoot deals that

1270
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 5: you know that I know that you know he got

1271
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 5: paid for them. Never really told us that he was

1272
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 5: getting paid for those things. He would just say, hey, man,

1273
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 5: there's a record that we got to do, and we

1274
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 5: did it. You know what I'm saying, nobody's really stunting

1275
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 5: it because everybody was okay, nobody was really in struggle.

1276
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: He made sure y'all had money in y'all pockets.

1277
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 5: Y'all had creating cars that we didn't make sure that

1278
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 5: we had money in our pocket. It was just things

1279
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 5: was going and it was deservedly so that we would

1280
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 5: get the money for what we did. I'll put it

1281
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 5: that way.

1282
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, you know, he'd knock on

1283
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: my door and say, heys, I got some money for you.

1284
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 5: No, it was we did the show, we break bread

1285
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 5: after the show, and and everybody went their own individual wave.

1286
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: Well, they's show money. I'm talking about the records and

1287
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 3: stuff you're supposed to get, like if they going the road.

1288
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: You know, he get paid for the show. Yeah, I

1289
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 3: mean record that's a whole thing. You got to think

1290
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 3: about it at that time.

1291
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 5: You know, you're dealing with the distributors and you're on

1292
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 5: maybe sixty day terms, ninety day terms for the records

1293
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 5: that you're being invoiced out. So he was getting money

1294
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 5: from the standpoint that the records were selling through fast.

1295
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 5: But he wasn't really displaying the fact that, you know,

1296
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: order to keep making the records, you have to get

1297
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 5: paid for the In order for you to get paid

1298
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,560
Speaker 5: for the records that they had at the distributor, you

1299
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 5: had to have a new one to make them break

1300
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: bread with you.

1301
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: And we didn't have an understanding that that's what. Yeah,

1302
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: because you know I used to work with ground Level.

1303
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: You remember that, right.

1304
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 3: So the way the distributors work back then was they

1305
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 3: would have what was called a reserve. They might hold

1306
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 3: twenty percent of reserve. Because records can come back from

1307
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 3: the store, you might have returns, right, So they had

1308
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: the reserve just in case. So with the distributor, like, okay,

1309
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 3: they have freedom reserves up if you give a new album. Okay,

1310
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: give me a new album, and I'm gonna free these

1311
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: reserves up for you because I'm gonna tell you now,

1312
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 3: he probably was seeing about six fifty a record back then.

1313
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: Let me see it. But the six fifty level, Yeah,

1314
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: I do love my people up. That's where I learned

1315
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: the game from. Huh nigga. The mother was sisty and

1316
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: wasn't that it was bad. And we had a record

1317
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: went through Ground Level. So you you knew, you knew

1318
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: John Smith.

1319
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 4: John brought a record through the ground level, John John Johnson.

1320
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: They had a they had a label called Native. I

1321
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: remember Native. I didn't have any with Native. Native had

1322
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: a record going today.

1323
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 5: What it was.

1324
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: I know about Native? I knew about.

1325
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 4: Native Native was my motherfucking attorney and manager. They had

1326
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 4: started a label and they called it Native. Yeah, I

1327
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 4: put a we put a record through ground level, a

1328
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 4: C m W record.

1329
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,759
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, because you know he probably made about

1330
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 3: three or four million dollars hobs off that first album.

1331
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: Me, I'm talking about this level.

1332
01:11:59,560 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 5: This is.

1333
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 4: The nigga sh Yeah. I was getting that Buddy.

1334
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: Gold on.

1335
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 3: Let me get it straight. No, I didn't have the

1336
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: ownership in them. They kind of like I did intern

1337
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 3: work for them. You know, I was a young dude

1338
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 3: at the time. My intern worked like for I don't

1339
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 3: have It was the office that still it was Inglewood,

1340
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 3: right up right by the airport, right off the airport,

1341
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 3: right off right off the four or five freeway. You

1342
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 3: can see it in the black building.

1343
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to him? Just letting it go?

1344
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 3: Dog. They had a lot of They had hieroglyphics, they

1345
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 3: had a lot of people magnet.

1346
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 4: Like I know because, like I said, my my sisty

1347
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 4: attorney in them. They had started.

1348
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 3: No, I think what it was was Natives might have

1349
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 3: been shisty dog, but Brown level pretty much paying people

1350
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: dog when they had to. The Brown level pay broke bread,

1351
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 3: marganting was good cats Mark, it was Mark, Jeff and

1352
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: Rick Hole cut a white dude. They was cool people doog. Yeah,

1353
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: they paid not whatever labeled it there was up there.

1354
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: Now what would happen? He was usually the labels to

1355
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 3: get that check and the side what man, I ain't

1356
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: I ain't cutting.

1357
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: Up with ground.

1358
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: Definitely they did some shit so mixed. What I'm trying

1359
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 3: to get to, I'm trying to get to what trickery

1360
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: come in at?

1361
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: Right?

1362
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 3: So y'all doing these albums? He making money? What is

1363
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: he doing just giving y'all show money?

1364
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: Well, we were getting show money and we was getting royalties,

1365
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: but we didn't know how to base the royalties, you

1366
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1367
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 5: We didn't we did There was never no contract, so

1368
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 5: we didn't have anything to base it off of. We

1369
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 5: were just getting money based off of Okay, we you know,

1370
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 5: four or five months passed by, Okay, I'm gonna throw

1371
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 5: up some money and then but you got to think

1372
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 5: about it. It's three of us. So if you want

1373
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 5: to give out one hundred and fifty grand, so it's

1374
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 5: you know, fifty and then that's that. But we don't

1375
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 5: we're not basing it off of you know, we're not

1376
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 5: getting no layouts.

1377
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: What is it really?

1378
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 3: You producing the records? So you could have been on

1379
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: some stuff like you know what I need my production

1380
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 3: money I need?

1381
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: You know, did not tell you how I was.

1382
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 4: Basically they was doing the game like, okay, nigga's probably

1383
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 4: making a million, two million, and so to satisfy I'm

1384
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 4: not gonna give y'all no reporting of how many records

1385
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 4: that was pressed or how many were shacked or whateverever.

1386
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 4: What I'm just gonna do is is I gotta check

1387
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 4: for a million dollars and these niggas don't know shit.

1388
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 4: You get me a couple of what I'm gonna do

1389
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 4: is and let's just face it, it's fucked up. But

1390
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 4: when you're homengry, motherfucking the nigga dangling a one hundred

1391
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,440
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand in your face.

1392
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: You like, give it here, man and young and you're

1393
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: young as fuck. You gotta think about all young.

1394
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 4: We run young and naive, and like I said, we

1395
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 4: didn't know much about the rap game. We knew how

1396
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 4: to make the music, we knew how to write the

1397
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 4: lyrics and shit, and we you know as who we are,

1398
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 4: as these artists. But nigga, you I didn't know nothing

1399
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 4: about no publishing contract. I didn't know nothing about writers

1400
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: and fifty percent to the to the to the music

1401
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: maker and a hundred writers, a hundred publish. I didn't

1402
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 4: know none of that shit. All I knew is I

1403
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 4: want to make a record, right, and maybe getting a

1404
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 4: couple of maybe getting a couple of magazines, Nigga, a

1405
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,839
Speaker 4: couple of limo rides, a couple of shows.

1406
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: That's what you thought being an artist was.

1407
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 4: Nobody sent you down in the motherfucking Nobody set you

1408
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 4: down in music.

1409
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: One oh one.

1410
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 4: You get me and said, okay, well, but you know

1411
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 4: anything about publishing? Do you know about writers? Do you

1412
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 4: know about royalties and all this and all this counting

1413
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 4: and how many records were pressed and shipped out, how

1414
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 4: many returns came back?

1415
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: You didn't know none of that shit. Off and so.

1416
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 4: And so you don't get the knowledge to do that

1417
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 4: a nigga go here, you go, you get me and

1418
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 4: so to speak, let me distract you with this shiny

1419
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 4: gold chain or watch or this check, and you be

1420
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 4: like like you said as a young nigga to nineteen

1421
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, back then a nigga handing you fifty

1422
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 4: grand right, please you remember and see.

1423
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: You got a thing too. Hey.

1424
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: I learned pretty much about the music industry from Mster mixed.

1425
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 3: I met hobbson I was twenty four, and he started explaining, Yeah,

1426
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 3: I was that young girl. Yeah, we messed with each

1427
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: other about thirty something years up. They Doug hen Skid

1428
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 3: was four years old.

1429
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: This motherfucker right now said.

1430
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because you got to remember how that's why

1431
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 3: we had kind of like an advantage because you had

1432
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 3: kind of taught us already to publishing this like a

1433
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: piece of pine. So I kind of knew already in

1434
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 3: these situation I walked into, I knew what was going

1435
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 3: on because between him and Bobcat, they had already kind

1436
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 3: of schooled me on what was going on about the

1437
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 3: business of music. And then you gotta remember I had

1438
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: friends like I had cats like Mark Gordon on ground

1439
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 3: level so I knew how to sell the records. I

1440
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: knew how all that stuff worked already, you know. So

1441
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 3: it was like you wasn't getting over from me with

1442
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 3: no slicey shit.

1443
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1444
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 5: Well, the thing, the thing of it is at that

1445
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 5: time though, I mean at the time when I heard

1446
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 5: each first project. I don't know how early you guys

1447
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 5: were doing stuff, but I know that I was. I

1448
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 5: was like nineteen ninety, like the summer of ninety when

1449
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 5: I heard One Time Got from Them Up. I don't

1450
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 5: know if that was your first record, but that's when

1451
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 5: I was made aware that you guys existed.

1452
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: So at that time, at the time that he I'm hearing.

1453
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 5: His career already four albums in, four albums at that

1454
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 5: time nineteen ninety it was four albums in already, and

1455
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 5: a nigga still don't really have a real clue because

1456
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 5: nobody wanted to be the cat that was tapping you

1457
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 5: on the shoulder.

1458
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: And on top of that, would you believe them.

1459
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 5: You wouldn't even give them more fuck the time of

1460
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 5: day because the money that you're running across as a

1461
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 5: young black dude, moving around and benzes and doing this

1462
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 5: nice homes and then you're hearing the horror stories about

1463
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 5: guys in New York. They ain't making no money. They

1464
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 5: fucked up, but you're living good. You know who's gonna

1465
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 5: question the scenario.

1466
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hear the horror store, and you know, I

1467
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 4: guess you know, because we were all going through that

1468
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 4: type of shit.

1469
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:07,560
Speaker 1: You feel me.

1470
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: We were all getting fucked by somebody around that time.

1471
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 4: But like you said, even for me, and I wasn't

1472
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 4: even making that much money. But just the fact, like

1473
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 4: you said, I'm still able to pay my rent, living

1474
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 4: in my own space. I'm able to not have to

1475
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 4: get up and punch a nine to five clock. Uh, nigga,

1476
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 4: I'm smoking and fucking and riding through the nigga's knowing

1477
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 4: all that's that's eight And you know what I'm saying.

1478
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 4: I got, I got my little whipping shit, my little

1479
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 4: one ninety bens and shit, and you know what I'm saying.

1480
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: So you never know that or shit.

1481
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 4: Nigga, if you got one hundred and fifty thousand and

1482
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 4: that nigga done got one point five million, you not

1483
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 4: thinking like that because you feeling you figuring this is

1484
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: the position we be. You don't know what the executive

1485
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's supposed to make. The nigga

1486
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 4: who's going in there sitting at the table with the

1487
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,879
Speaker 4: white motherfuckers and negotiating the contracts and getting the budget,

1488
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's supposed to make. All I

1489
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 4: know is a nigga telling me here, this is what

1490
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 4: you're supposed to get. And I'm going, Okay, I'm a

1491
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 4: young ass nigga coming from the block.

1492
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: You get me.

1493
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 4: I gotta hustle up my sack and money every day

1494
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 4: on the block with six seven other niggas.

1495
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: So if a nigga handed me a check for ten

1496
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: fifteen grand, I'm going you give me.

1497
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 4: And so we're not eve to those questions, and it

1498
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 4: usually makes something that starts happening to where you start questioning, hmmm, Okay,

1499
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 4: I got a one ninety, but this nigga got a

1500
01:20:59,160 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 4: five hundred.

1501
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: You get it, and it always comes out. It always

1502
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: comes out.

1503
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,640
Speaker 4: I got mine, I got a little I got a

1504
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 4: little apartment over here in Compton, But this nigga got

1505
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 4: a half a million dollar crib bot down the street

1506
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 4: from Michael Jackson. Something that is not right. And then

1507
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 4: you going, I'm the nigga that's making all the beats

1508
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 4: right them niggas is the ones doing all the work

1509
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: while we like why we ain't got what dude got.

1510
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 4: So it's something that always, like you said, still, it's

1511
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 4: something that always comes out to make you question what's

1512
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 4: really going on. And like I said, for me, you

1513
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 4: can be naive for so long.

1514
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: You get me you beat.

1515
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 4: Because like you said, you're eating good, you're going out

1516
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 4: bitches and parties and the nicest drink and you got

1517
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 4: a couple of new fits and starter.

1518
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,719
Speaker 3: You gotta think about it this too, because you always

1519
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 3: go have a contingency of people even when you're doing right. Mind,

1520
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: I think you're robbing them anyway, so you might as

1521
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 3: well do the right thing. So when they do come

1522
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 3: with the bullshit, you could be like, no, bro, I

1523
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 3: can show you right here. You feel what I'm.

1524
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: Saying you as an older cat now though, it's almost

1525
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: like it's.

1526
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 5: A fade that you have to take back then, because

1527
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 5: even if a cat showed you the right way, at

1528
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 5: the end of the day, you might not you know,

1529
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 5: you might feel like you're respected, but at the same time,

1530
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 5: it's almost like now you're really trying to trigger.

1531
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: You can't win and you can't win with the shit

1532
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 3: doog because you go always have someone to think. So

1533
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 3: he robbing me and let's take it. This is the

1534
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 3: reality of it. This right, You either have to wind

1535
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 3: up making someone a part of the business, your partner,

1536
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 3: or letting them just go do their own thing. And

1537
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 3: that's why my whole thing is this, I'd rather work

1538
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: with people who I can make partners and we can

1539
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 3: do equal amount of work and we can have this

1540
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 3: and do stuff together, because trying to be over somebody

1541
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 3: is only it ain't gonna last.

1542
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 5: No, yeah, not only that, I will say this though,

1543
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 5: with it all boils down to it, we never had

1544
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 5: a problem of going into the studio and doing what

1545
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 5: it is that we needed to make. We could get

1546
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 5: in there and cook it up and make it be

1547
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 5: what it needs to be. The thing with Luke was

1548
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 5: is that he had to be in the space of

1549
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 5: I can't let the left hand know what the right

1550
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 5: hand is.

1551
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: Doing, you know what I mean.

1552
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 5: And in the early days it was okay because if

1553
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 5: you didn't want know better, you can't do better to

1554
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,799
Speaker 5: you know better. But the way that it got handled

1555
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 5: back then, when we found out how some things was done,

1556
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna go into specifics, but once it has

1557
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 5: found out, was like, okay, man, okay, yeah, this is

1558
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 5: what it is to happen. So when can we go

1559
01:23:54,320 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 5: in and start making some more reference? Can we motherfucking

1560
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 5: maceive back up?

1561
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 3: I know that this is a long story because we're

1562
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 3: talking about a period of years, right, I kind of

1563
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: want to get into because eventually y'all wound up. Y'all

1564
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: wound up doing a huge deal with Atlantic Records. It

1565
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: was Atlantic, right.

1566
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 5: He ended up doing deal with Atlantic Records. The you

1567
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 5: know the thing with that right, And like I said,

1568
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 5: this is still nineteen ninety. Niggas don't really have you know,

1569
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 5: the lawyers that you do know about ain't music lawyers.

1570
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 5: They are other kind of lawyers. So and the ones

1571
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 5: that were that did have a clue of it, they

1572
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 5: were working for the company because they knew your answer

1573
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 5: in that no, man, your money's coming from them. So

1574
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 5: you didn't have no dog and you didn't have no

1575
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 5: dog in the fight. You were just you know, really,

1576
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 5: if you had if you had some success.

1577
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: You have to let it be. You know, it was

1578
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: just a god thing. It was. It was something that

1579
01:24:58,600 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: you were supposed to experience.

1580
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 5: It was supposed to go the way that it went

1581
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 5: because I know that I came into the game not

1582
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 5: having a dime. I didn't have a hustle. I wasn't

1583
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 5: out there, you know, I was in in the streets

1584
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 5: or nothing. So everything that I got basically was a profit.

1585
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I didn't really see I

1586
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: really looked at it, like, I don't know why he

1587
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: would handle us the way that he did. I don't

1588
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: know why he would do that because he he.

1589
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 5: Had the best type of cat that was dealing with

1590
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 5: somebody that was never going to challenge him, someone that

1591
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 5: was never going.

1592
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: To really try the situation.

1593
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 5: And that's why I say it'll never be right, because

1594
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 5: some people can't see a gift horse for what the

1595
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 5: situation is.

1596
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: They We could, we were good dudes, and he still

1597
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: handled it the way that he felt like he needed

1598
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: to handle it.

1599
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 3: Well, you know, to play Devil's advocate. In his mind,

1600
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 3: he might be like, well, man, I asked y'all if

1601
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 3: y'all wanted to be partners in the company.

1602
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all, it partners in the company.

1603
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 5: Ain't got shit to do with what it is that

1604
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 5: you're gonna make off of records being sold that you're

1605
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 5: still responsible for making that part of the movie happen

1606
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 5: true to.

1607
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: So.

1608
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 5: And and then on top of that, the biggest thing

1609
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 5: with you know, I don't I don't even think anybody

1610
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 5: could has this story like the way our story was from,

1611
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 5: you know, from move something me so Horny, to pop

1612
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 5: that couchie, all of that stuff there was you know,

1613
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 5: we'll pop that couchie. That's when contracts did get put

1614
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 5: in place with all of that stuff. Before that, there

1615
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,839
Speaker 5: was no contract. So, but this is what happened.

1616
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: We were dealing with another booking agency. I see him,

1617
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: So he come to us.

1618
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 5: And say that, hey man, you know we got a

1619
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 5: new you know, you got some people that's gonna be

1620
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 5: doing shows, but they want contra on us to make

1621
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 5: sure that we don't weasel out of any shows and

1622
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 5: this and that or whatever. So we did some makeshift

1623
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 5: contracts in nineteen ninety. The only reason why I know

1624
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 5: it's nineteen ninety because the woman that I was ended

1625
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 5: up marrying, she was in Miami at that time and

1626
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 5: she didn't get there until ninety, So this is when

1627
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 5: the contract was done. So the contract was done four

1628
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 5: years after we're doing stuff together, right, So nobody even

1629
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 5: looked at these contracts. It was just contracts. It was

1630
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 5: just rolled up and backdated for the for them, not management,

1631
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 5: but for the booking agency to see that.

1632
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: You know, we were signed to Luke Records blah blah blah,

1633
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: this and the.

1634
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: And that's how he was able to go in and

1635
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 3: get the deal for Atlantic without having to consult with

1636
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: none of you.

1637
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1638
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 3: He used those contracts right there, because I do know,

1639
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 3: I can't go eight It is my partner and gainst

1640
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 3: the chronicles, right, so I just can't go make a

1641
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 3: new deal and keep him blind doing it. Right. He

1642
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 3: has to be a part of that deal, you see

1643
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, because they can always he can always

1644
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 3: come back and say, hey, I didn't approve of this

1645
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: or that, right, So he had to have some kind

1646
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 3: of contracts and that he had to have some kind

1647
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 3: of contractual obligation from you guys in order to make

1648
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: that happen and facilitate that deal.

1649
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: So he does that.

1650
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 3: Man, when does all the trickery wind up coming to

1651
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: a surface, Because I know Joe Weinberg, the attorney, winds

1652
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 3: up taking position of the company at one point that

1653
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: was way later.

1654
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 5: Weinberger wasn't even around at the time that all of

1655
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 5: this stuff was going on. He wasn't even around. He

1656
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 5: may have been doing some you know, you know, out

1657
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 5: council with certain things, but he wasn't a part of

1658
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 5: the company at that time. So what what ended up

1659
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 5: happening is, you know, it was like.

1660
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: What what what?

1661
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 5: What broke my back about it was is that when

1662
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 5: he got the deal with Atlantic, it's all advertising how

1663
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 5: much money the deal was. But he made it sound

1664
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 5: like and the way that they disguised I mean, you know,

1665
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 5: Atlantic is that fault too. They disguised it as a

1666
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 5: distribution deal. They made it like they were doing distribution

1667
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 5: for Luke Records. So to our crew still ain't signed

1668
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 5: to Atlantic. They disguised it as a distribution deals. But

1669
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 5: it's really a deal for him by himself. That's what

1670
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 5: it ended up becoming. And then when we got our

1671
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 5: first rawalty checks from that, it was the lowest ship

1672
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 5: that we had ever gotten since we had been working

1673
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 5: with each other, because we had went at this wife

1674
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 5: was up here. We went from being you know in

1675
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 5: you know, independent contractors to workers.

1676
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: Right, and they gonna they gonna tell you ship. We

1677
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: gave money to Luke, so.

1678
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have they tell them how much he

1679
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 3: got from from Loaded With. I'm pretty sure he got

1680
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 3: something before he turned in the album and after.

1681
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.

1682
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 5: He got a distribution dollars. Yeah, million dollars. That's like

1683
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 5: the equation of uh of what a platinum Marvel would be.

1684
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 5: He got like about five million dollars to.

1685
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 4: Hit the ball on a distribution deal. They he walked

1686
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 4: in and he said, Nigga, I want a distribution deal

1687
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 4: for Luke Records with the track record of what the

1688
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 4: group is doing.

1689
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: Atlantic is like, fuck it, Yeah, let's do it. But

1690
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: putting old records back then when nobody was going.

1691
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 4: To the situation is is it's the same shame, it's

1692
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 4: the same ship would happen to me with Unknown. Basically

1693
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 4: we started doing records with Unknown under techno Hop. And

1694
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 4: with the success of what Compton's most wanted was doing,

1695
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 4: he was able to walk in and say, no, don't

1696
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 4: give me a deal for conference most wanted, give me

1697
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,879
Speaker 4: a deal for Big Beat Productions, which is his production company.

1698
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 4: And so now he's with a production company. It's like,

1699
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just bring you our acts, and because of

1700
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 4: the success of CMW, they're gonna go, Okay, nigga, fuck it,

1701
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 4: We'll turn around and give you fucking half a million

1702
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 4: dollars because your deal is probably for the next you know.

1703
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 4: Back then deals was for five to seven years. You

1704
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 4: get me signing, know, turn in three albums and you

1705
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 4: done no labels. Was like, nigg you're signing this seven

1706
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 4: year deal. So he got a production deal for Big Beat.

1707
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 4: Sony cut him a check, and then he came back

1708
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 4: to us and say, we gotta start doing this new

1709
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 4: contence most wanted record.

1710
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 3: Me.

1711
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: We was like, fuck it. We didn't get no advances

1712
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: up front or none of that shit.

1713
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 4: It was just like, let's get in the studio and

1714
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: crack out this CEM dub record and then so.

1715
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: We couldn't.

1716
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 4: So by the time I started bitching and complaining, I

1717
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 4: was just I'm like, Okay, y'all dealing with him, but

1718
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm the nigga that's putting out the music. So this

1719
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 4: is what's gonna happen. Since y'all trying to play that

1720
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 4: flip flop game.

1721
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make no records, right, I'm not making

1722
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,879
Speaker 1: any records. So y'all gonna either.

1723
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 4: Kick him out completely and give me the deal that

1724
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 4: y'all got with him, or I'm not making no records

1725
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 4: because I'm not signed to y'all. I'm signing this nigga,

1726
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 4: and I'm not fucking with this nigga, and he already

1727
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 4: know it because I can take his ass to court

1728
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 4: right now and get him on all kind of fraudulent shit.

1729
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 4: So I'm just to bust down and not make no records.

1730
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 4: And then I did it right at the time. I

1731
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 4: just got through film and minutes to society. So what

1732
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 4: y'all want to do? Y'all want to hustle and bustle

1733
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 4: in with a nigga who ain't got ship to give,

1734
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 4: or y'all want to fuck with the nigga who's in

1735
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 4: the studio writing the songs and putting out the music.

1736
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Which one you want to do?

1737
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 4: And they decided to go, Okay, we're just gonna stop

1738
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 4: fucking with Big Beat and deal with you directly. But

1739
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 4: it's the same shit Atlantic, go, nigga, we gotta deal

1740
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 4: with Luke Records. So we don't even know what the

1741
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 4: fuck y'all talking about, right man? When it's for the

1742
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 4: when it's time for y'all to put out. Y'all put

1743
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 4: out that record through Luke undistributed by Atlantic. You ain't

1744
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 4: finna see no royalty checks. Money finna go from here

1745
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 4: to here now right, getting no more? Why because they

1746
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 4: then gave him all the money up front right to

1747
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 4: do that, probably the eighty percent of it, get y'all

1748
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 4: a little to go finish it. And now y'all got

1749
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 4: to recoup all that because he him took five million

1750
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 4: up front. The videos is costing three hundred grand. Y'all

1751
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 4: around the country doing promos, and all Atlantic is going

1752
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 4: charge back, charge back, charge back, charge back, charge back, right, And.

1753
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 5: Even at that time, you know, I will say this,

1754
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 5: for what it is that you did, you was able

1755
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 5: to work your hand in the you know, good for yourself.

1756
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: Me, on the other hand, it was still nineteen ninety.

1757
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 1: We just came off of that.

1758
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 5: The whole thing was built around you know, censitsive ship,

1759
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 5: with the with the MTV awards, all of this momentum,

1760
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 5: all of that, we get this low ass royalty check.

1761
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: So then I leave, I go to Oakland, and I'm

1762
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: just posted in Oakland.

1763
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 5: Hoping that you know, I can get people to pay

1764
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 5: attention to what it is that they need to be

1765
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 5: paying attention to, because I'm the one who's doing all

1766
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 5: of the studio, working this and the third right. So

1767
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 5: what they ended up trying to do, they got you know,

1768
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 5: some offshoot guys that that you know, emulate my style

1769
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 5: and all of that. They couldn't get it done. So

1770
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 5: I guess Atlantic told him say, hey man, you better

1771
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 5: try to get it. Get this nigga back over here.

1772
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 5: So he shot me some money to come back to

1773
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 5: do the album that got popped that Kucci on it,

1774
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 5: and and that was the first time, you know, we

1775
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 5: actually got an actual contract with him and.

1776
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Got an advance to do the project.

1777
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 5: We got like maybe what like seventy five or something

1778
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 5: like that each to deliver the project something like that,

1779
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 5: And and.

1780
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: We did the stuff.

1781
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 5: But then at the like I say, all of the

1782
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 5: you know, nobody was feeling each other the same way

1783
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 5: after that, and you know, I came down to Miami

1784
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 5: and did the records. I went back to Oakland, and

1785
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 5: when they came time to do the videos and this

1786
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 5: and that, you know, niggas barely had cell phones at

1787
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 5: that time. You know, you catch a motherfucker, you don't

1788
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 5: catch a motherfucker. You got skyt pages, you might.

1789
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Catch a motherfucker whatever. And that was his other thing too.

1790
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 5: He said, man, I can't I came, you know, in

1791
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 5: some aspects by me being a CEO of my own situation.

1792
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 5: I get the crossroads that certain cats come to. Some

1793
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 5: cats can make better decisions than others. He just felt like, man,

1794
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 5: I can't afford to get these niggas all this money

1795
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 5: and they you know, they running all over.

1796
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 1: Fucking holes all over the place.

1797
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna be all and find these niggas when

1798
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 5: it come time to work, so I gotta give him

1799
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 5: a short leash. But you know, he made that decision

1800
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 5: based off of he didn't really have to be that

1801
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 5: way with us because nobody was giving them no real Oh.

1802
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: Yo, yeah, there we go. Yeah, Like I was saying,

1803
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't.

1804
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Know what part it froze at, but you he was

1805
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 3: talking about if he would have give y'all some sustantial,

1806
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 3: he might not have been able to find y'all. You know,

1807
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: I know we had an hour and forty right now.

1808
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 3: I want to get to the one part man where

1809
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,759
Speaker 3: because Luke eventually winds up losing Luke records.

1810
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's based off of mc shid.

1811
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, went to prison, and there was a guy that

1812
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 5: was because I don't think he was actually there at

1813
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,799
Speaker 5: the court case when it actually happened.

1814
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: That was during the time when the group was in hiatus.

1815
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 5: We weren't working together, you know, like from like ninety

1816
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 5: two to like ninety five, we weren't working together. And

1817
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 5: there was a lawsuit that Shaid then was able to

1818
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 5: come with and the judge awarded him like one point

1819
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 5: five million dollars and Luke wasn't liquid enough to pay

1820
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 5: off the the situation, so I guess he got forced

1821
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 5: into involuntary bankruptcy and that's where the whole Weinberger then

1822
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 5: came in. Weinberger was working for the company at the time,

1823
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:19,480
Speaker 5: and Weinburger comes from bread. His family gave him an inheritance,

1824
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 5: so he already had money alone with being a tax attorney.

1825
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 5: So he would loan Loop money, you know, to do

1826
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 5: certain things and this and that Looke paid back loan

1827
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:30,919
Speaker 5: some more money.

1828
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: Lu could pay him back.

1829
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 5: Then it started getting the point where he wouldn't pay

1830
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 5: him back, and they got up to like three hundred

1831
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 5: three hundred big ones and then he ended up kicking

1832
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:41,600
Speaker 5: the man out of the office. I don't know what

1833
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 5: their dealings were or you know, all I know is

1834
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 5: what the result was.

1835
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,679
Speaker 1: You know, he pi out of here. I ain't paying shit.

1836
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 5: So so what ended up happening is when he wasn't

1837
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 5: liquid enough to satisfy the debt of what this court

1838
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 5: order was, Weinberger doubles back and said, hey, man, I'll

1839
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 5: pay into the bankruptcy. I put another eight from the

1840
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 5: three that you already done took, but I want these

1841
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 5: some of these properties. I want this masters, I want

1842
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 5: the pulishin this, that and the third.

1843
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: And that's what was. It was a transaction. You know,

1844
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,959
Speaker 1: he always speaks on the fact.

1845
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 5: That like the stuff was stolen from him, but you know,

1846
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 5: he did that and got out of the bankruptcy, but

1847
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 5: never really speak on the fact that that's what he

1848
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 5: really did, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

1849
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, at the time that

1850
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 5: it was going on, we were that was right at

1851
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 5: the time that all of this stuff was happening, we

1852
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 5: had got back up and around each other and we'll say, okay,

1853
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna make a new two live crew record. This

1854
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 5: is in ninety five, and you know, he looked on

1855
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 5: his desk. He said, man, I got this VHS ice

1856
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 5: Cube sent me out here. Been sitting on my desk

1857
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 5: two months. You know, they you know, trying to do

1858
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 5: a movie out there, and I think they call it

1859
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 5: calling it Friday or something. You know, Take this video

1860
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 5: and go to the studio, y'all check it out what

1861
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 5: he sent out here and see if we can put

1862
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 5: some music to what it is that he sent us.

1863
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: And what he sent us was the infamous scene, the

1864
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: hou Chie Mama scene. Mm hmm.

1865
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 5: So we wrote to to what cbe sent on that

1866
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 5: on on that thing, and that's how hu Chi Mama

1867
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,120
Speaker 5: got done and got done. And two or three wasn't

1868
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 5: even though that record wasn't he wasn't. No, he wasn't

1869
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 5: on the record because.

1870
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 3: That was you doing a chant that on that right there,

1871
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: y'all back in the game. That that was a platinum record,

1872
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't it. Yeah, Yeah, for being on on the Friday

1873
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 3: on soundtrack.

1874
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1875
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 5: So it's just like I say, man, you know, my

1876
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 5: thing is I funk would look so hard from the

1877
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 5: standpoint of me, I've never you know, like I don't

1878
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,280
Speaker 5: know if y'all ever watched the Malcolm X movie. You know,

1879
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, say, man, you can you can

1880
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 5: walk in front of bullets twenty four to seven and

1881
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 5: and don't think nothing of it. But betrayal is the

1882
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 5: last thing that you would ever think that a cat

1883
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 5: would do. I was on the same space with him,

1884
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 5: and I never was ever in those states with him,

1885
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 5: you know.

1886
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, Mark used to always say, man,

1887
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: that nigga just took advantage of us. He took advantage

1888
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: you know what. He was out here and neked.

1889
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 5: You know, Mark, he's got people that's on eight trade cats,

1890
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 5: you know, and he took you know, Mark us from

1891
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 5: a different cloth than me and Chris. So he said, man,

1892
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 5: you just had us out here neckt and you're out

1893
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 5: there with these Miami niggas and this and that. We

1894
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 5: could have been handled any old kind of way if

1895
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 5: we got out out of line with you.

1896
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't even on that space, but Mark definitely was

1897
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 1: on that space, you know, saying I wanted to tear

1898
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: some shit up. Then there was you know, I ain't

1899
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: even gonna speak on the other ship. But it could

1900
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: have went bad. It could have went bad. I'll just

1901
01:41:59,160 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: say that it could have.

1902
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, because because at the end of the day,

1903
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 3: and this is how you have to look at stuff too,

1904
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 3: because I've had partnerships that turned out bad. But then

1905
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 3: I will say this, man, when you do something that

1906
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 3: kind of changed the game, you got to kind of

1907
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 3: look at it like a player too and say, you

1908
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 3: know what, we was able to do some phenomenal stuff

1909
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 3: when we did it. We was able to you know,

1910
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 3: accomplish some phenomenal things.

1911
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 5: Man.

1912
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 3: You know, you went on to have a story career.

1913
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I would definitely say that

1914
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 3: she went eight. It's definitely both first ballot Hall of Famer.

1915
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 3: So to speaking this hip hop thing, you feel what

1916
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 3: I mean because you all was doing it at a

1917
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 3: time when it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy to sell

1918
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 3: records back then, right, exactly right, and it wasn't easy,

1919
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 3: especially something called hip hop.

1920
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: Man.

1921
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 3: So if you can when it's the last time you

1922
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 3: actually had a conversation.

1923
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:50,600
Speaker 5: With Luke, last time I physically seen Luke, was that

1924
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 5: it was a thing that we did with well, I

1925
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 5: should say he did at BT for him getting an

1926
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 5: award for being you know, a Southern hip hop pioneer

1927
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 5: and this, that and the third.

1928
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: But we wasn't involved in the trophy. It was just him.

1929
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They never You know. The

1930
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 1: thing is, it's almost like, I guess if you're an outsider.

1931
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 5: And you don't really know the true story of how

1932
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 5: the group actually functions, you would look at the situation

1933
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 5: like it's heavy D and the boys. Ain't nobody here

1934
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 5: right here right now named three of the boys cat

1935
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 5: You know every D and you know these other three

1936
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 5: cats exist, but you don't really know they names. You

1937
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 5: don't really know, you know, if there was a particular

1938
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 5: significance with them or not. So Tulac, who was kind

1939
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 5: of viewed in that way. You know what I'm saying.

1940
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 5: They think it's just him because he was so far

1941
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 5: out front with handling, you know, the business aspect, and

1942
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:54,440
Speaker 5: he was the most outspoken.

1943
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: How of us.

1944
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 5: I wasn't really no talker at that time. You know,

1945
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 5: be talking now. I mean, you can't stop me from

1946
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 5: talking now. But back in them days, I wasn't really

1947
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 5: doing though talking. I was just doing the music. And

1948
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 5: you know, even when I met eight, I remember.

1949
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 1: I met him, so you got him. I don't even know.

1950
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 1: I think it was for the come the most wanted

1951
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 1: stuff that that I met a video show tour.

1952
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 4: You had you We was on promo tour and that

1953
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 4: was one of our promo runs. We had to come

1954
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 4: to your spot and do your little your show. So yeah,

1955
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 4: that's the first time we met out in uh it

1956
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 4: was up in the Bay Area somewhere whether yeah, yeah, yeah,

1957
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 4: Gang of Trees around that mother it was yeah, but yeah,

1958
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 4: that was we was making all runs and shipped back then.

1959
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 4: We were still we were still pushing around for a minute, man,

1960
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 4: and so yeah, it's it's it's definitely a blessing to

1961
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 4: still be able to be around and tell these stories

1962
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 4: of you know, some of these horror stories of hip hop.

1963
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: You know, you know, that's what I call it.

1964
01:45:20,160 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 4: I call it horror stories because we came through a

1965
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,879
Speaker 4: rough time in hip hop, you know, with the Exception

1966
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 4: and then with us, you know, even though our music

1967
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 4: was on different you know, uh you ship, we still

1968
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 4: was getting We still was getting harassed and sweated and

1969
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 4: not being able to do what we could do and

1970
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 4: then to have that fall on you, you know, not

1971
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 4: being able.

1972
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 1: To do shows and getting band and sticker not only

1973
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: that we.

1974
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 4: Have to stress out and go through, but on top

1975
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 4: of that, you got a motherfucking your camp who taking

1976
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 4: all the bread and don't want to be equal to

1977
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 4: it with everybody. So that's why I say stories of

1978
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 4: hip hop, man, because we're still able to be around

1979
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 4: here and tell uh you know what we had to

1980
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 4: go through. And like I said again, I tell niggas

1981
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 4: all the time. I wouldn't trade it for nothing though,

1982
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 4: because it teaches you something that you knowledge. Now you

1983
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 4: know you can invest in and tell motherfuckers. You know,

1984
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 4: I tell nigga every day when they talk about getting

1985
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 4: into music, I said, man, leadership alone, you give me

1986
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 4: music is not for the thing at heart man, unless

1987
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 4: you just got the wee, unless you just got the

1988
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 4: will to do it yourself. And you know, regardless of

1989
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 4: what everybody's saying, you can put some good people around

1990
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 4: you that's not out to fuck you from the gate,

1991
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 4: because like I said, we come from the era of

1992
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 4: where niggas was fucking niggas straight up. It was a hustle.

1993
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 4: It was a hustle game. You know, a lot a

1994
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 4: lot of the vents before us or like you said,

1995
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 4: the niggas who was knowledgeable about this shit. Didn't feel

1996
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 4: like instilling us with the values. Uh, you know, we

1997
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 4: had to learn the hard way getting fucked, getting corrupted,

1998
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 4: getting getting bullshit, fucked up contracts and all that. And

1999
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 4: we put out some of the best music around that.

2000
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Time, you know.

2001
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 3: So, but it is, It just brought up something really important. Man,

2002
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,400
Speaker 3: I can't let you off here without asking about that

2003
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 3: real quick. Y'all was actually going to jail back then,

2004
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 3: Man for the music y'all made. They can't yo, y'all

2005
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 3: got arristed in some shows, didn't y'all?

2006
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, you know.

2007
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 5: And this is the other thing about hip hop that's

2008
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 5: probably different than some of the other genres. Depending on

2009
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,800
Speaker 5: what part of the country you and you could be

2010
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 5: subject to way more foolishness. This stuff was happening to

2011
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 5: us Florida. That's only it was the neighboring county. It's

2012
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 5: almost like, okay, so La County, what's the neighboring county?

2013
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 5: Orange County is a neighboring county? Uh, Riverside is Riverside? No,

2014
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 5: that ain't a neighboring county. What's what's the past going to?

2015
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 5: What is that current county?

2016
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Or whatever? It would be like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2017
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 5: So let's just say you guys do a show on

2018
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 5: Bakersfield and the current county sheriff got an issue with y'all,

2019
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 5: and y'all shit is banned in current County, which fucking

2020
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 5: fuck current County ain't nothing, but current County makes it

2021
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 5: out to be a big old deal to where everybody

2022
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 5: across the country think that your shit is banned everywhere,

2023
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 5: and then you know, maybe Luke put an extra gasoline

2024
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 5: on the situation to make it seem like, you know,

2025
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 5: our ship was banned everywhere. It was just in the

2026
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 5: neighboring county. And we actually when we got arrested, we

2027
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 5: went to that neighboring county to do a show, and

2028
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,759
Speaker 5: we had a clean show to do and an explicit

2029
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 5: show to do. Clean show we do first, no issues

2030
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 5: the explicit show. It didn't look like it was gonna

2031
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 5: be none with everything. All went with all a hitch

2032
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 5: and when everybody was leaving, they caught him like a

2033
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 5: mile or so away from from the venue and then

2034
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 5: pulled them over and the rest of them. So it

2035
01:49:03,320 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 5: didn't actually happen physically at the event, and it was

2036
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 5: based off of the fact of the album, the Miso

2037
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 5: Horny album. We if we didn't perform any of the

2038
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 5: records that was on that album.

2039
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,559
Speaker 1: So that's when people pay their money to come see

2040
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: though on reality, right right right, right right, And it

2041
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,759
Speaker 1: was all kind of like, you know, you know, maybe

2042
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 1: who knows.

2043
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 5: Maybe just like I said, you know, it was a

2044
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 5: marketing guy from the standpoint of being able to beat

2045
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 5: people to the punch.

2046
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: Who knows, Maybe you've already knew that. Well, you know

2047
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna.

2048
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 5: Restu Well shit, maybe maybe that. I mean, what can

2049
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 5: they really get us for a fucking let's just do it?

2050
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 5: You get so much publicity out of the ship, you know,

2051
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 5: I didn't you know, him and Chinaman got a wrestled

2052
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 5: because they were riding together. Me and Mark was in

2053
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 5: some other cards. Mark had to end up turning this event.

2054
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 5: They didn't arrest me because of what I'm not the rapper,

2055
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 5: I'm the music guy. So when they sit up in

2056
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 5: the courtroom, I'm watching the ship on TV at my house. Ye,

2057
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 5: they the ones that don't dry. We ain't even that's

2058
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 5: how you know, goofy. The situation was, you would think

2059
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 5: the whole group would have got like you said, gaffle,

2060
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 5: but it was just them saying the lyrics.

2061
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 3: M So, man, I appreciate you man coming on and

2062
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 3: we got to do this again because it's so much

2063
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 3: that was left out, that was left out, and we

2064
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 3: can always were gonna have you come back on, Bro.

2065
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:41,600
Speaker 3: And one of the things I want you all to

2066
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 3: remember out there, make sure y'all go subscribe to our

2067
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 3: Patreon channel. Listened on Patreon against the Chronicles podcast because

2068
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 3: we're gonna be able to have some conversations that are

2069
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 3: even more off the chain, the ones the haf of

2070
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 3: the day because right now we're going through a lot

2071
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 3: of censorship. You know, I would say probably forty percent

2072
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 3: of the videos we put on youtubeer often to monetize

2073
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 3: it for what. I don't know, because it's not like

2074
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 3: we got butt naked women and nothing on here. Man,

2075
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, man, but they want

2076
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 3: you to have everything clean cut. So censorship is still

2077
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 3: very much alive. And well man, that's why y'all go

2078
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 3: to that Patreon. Man, y'all gonna be able to catch

2079
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 3: this raw and uncut at our best. I know, it's

2080
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff they eight want to do that

2081
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 3: really ain't YouTube suitable. You know what I'm saying, not

2082
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 3: that we really want to do nothing filthy, but go

2083
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 3: check us out Man and Mix. Where can they find

2084
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 3: you at Man? Where can the people go holler at you?

2085
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 1: At Man?

2086
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 5: Instagram? That's the only place I'd be at Mixed, Who,

2087
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 5: Underscore Live, Underscore Crew. And then on top of that,

2088
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 5: you know, I do the little things, you know, maybe

2089
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,839
Speaker 5: some YouTube stuff or whatever, but that's my main space

2090
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:56,679
Speaker 5: of me doing things is on Instagram.

2091
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 1: You know, headed out to Berlin to go do some shows.

2092
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:02,120
Speaker 1: You know.

2093
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,640
Speaker 5: The one thing about the group now that both you know,

2094
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 5: China Man that's gone and and Marquis is gone. I'm

2095
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:11,640
Speaker 5: still doing the stuff with the shows and all of that,

2096
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 5: but you know, it's almost like I wouldn't say it's

2097
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 5: like the Temptations, but it's definitely still the same vibe.

2098
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 5: A lot of people wouldn't think that I would be

2099
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 5: out there still doing the stuff, but it's you know,

2100
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 5: it's a it's a tradition thing.

2101
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: It's like I look at the Two La Crew thing

2102
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: as a franchise, you.

2103
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, you know, Will Chamber it ain't playing for

2104
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 5: the Lakers, No, board Shack ain't playing for the Lakers,

2105
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 5: no board, but they still exist, you know what I mean.

2106
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:41,240
Speaker 1: So it'll be new people that will be doing some things.

2107
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 5: And I got new records that I'm doing that's in

2108
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 5: the same lane, same vein as that you know, I get.

2109
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 1: You know, different people that come in and do features

2110
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 1: things of that nature.

2111
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 5: So Tula Crew is definitely still alive and well, definitely

2112
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 5: still moving around doing stuff, probably being a city close

2113
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 5: to you, you know, all through out this year we

2114
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 5: got shows and all of that, and uh that's it, man,

2115
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 5: Just like I say, Instagram Mix, Underscore Too, Underscore Live,

2116
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:09,799
Speaker 5: Underscore Crew and uh it's.

2117
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 3: Their Exchence man that you want Luke possibly get together

2118
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 3: to do some stuff. Y'all are the less romaining members.

2119
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 1: Man.

2120
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well remember the movie Dumb and Dumber where they

2121
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 5: say when he's with the girl and the girls say,

2122
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 5: you know, not in a million years can you do things?

2123
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 1: And then what my man say, So that means I

2124
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:32,799
Speaker 1: still got a chance.

2125
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 5: You just don't know, I mean, you just never know

2126
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:40,439
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. I don't you know, I don't say

2127
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 5: you know how they say never say never?

2128
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2129
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 5: But it just all depends, you know, It's just like

2130
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 5: I say, you know, if an offer that you can't refuse,

2131
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 5: you know, as a grown person, pass on, you know, because.

2132
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 1: Really we ain't that mad at each other. We ain't

2133
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 1: that mad. Come on now, I mean we don't.

2134
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 5: We don't, you know, chewed up a lot of the

2135
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 5: same turf and this and that, and by cats being

2136
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,560
Speaker 5: young and not really having an understanding of how to

2137
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 5: hold your ground in particular ways. You know, it's a

2138
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 5: shame on him moment. It'll never be a second shame

2139
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 5: on your moment. So you just have you know, it's

2140
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 5: all about if cats want to do that or not

2141
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 5: do it, and it's cool either way. It's cool either way.

2142
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 5: I'm not going to ever, you know, I'm not one

2143
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 5: of them cats that feel like I got to shame

2144
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 5: you to get, you know, my shine or anything like that.

2145
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 5: We did a lot of stuff. I look at him

2146
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 5: as an older brother from the standpoint of how we

2147
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 5: did some things. But as you get older and you

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Speaker 5: see why some stuff was done. Okay, I get why

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Speaker 5: he did it, but maybe he didn't have to do that,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I don't have no

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Speaker 5: issue if I was to see him right now, it

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be like I would try to swing on him,

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Speaker 5: and he ain't never been like that with me either.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe he.

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Speaker 5: Ain't got no reason to fe like that because he

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Speaker 5: already won. It's a situation. I don't see him in

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Speaker 5: that way. I've seen him from the standpoint of what

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Speaker 5: it is that we did. You know what, what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 5: What happens if we go to to the Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame next year, it's gonna be a melee damn in Cleveland. No,

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be It's gonna be what it needs to be. Cordial,

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Speaker 5: you know, we accept our stuff.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and that and that be that. Mmmm.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what mother could be wanting to have happened.

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Speaker 3: I don't think, you know, I think people would like

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Speaker 3: to see you are reunited, man, But man, we appreciate

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Speaker 3: you coming on man, and we definitely got to have

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Speaker 3: you back on man. We definitely back on her brother

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a minute, for sure, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: And there we go.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate y'all for tuning them to day and we

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Speaker 3: gotta hear are well. That concludes another episode of The

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Speaker 3: producers for The Gangst the Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel,

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Speaker 3: Aaron M.

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Speaker 1: C a. Tyler.

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