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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and him joined by a couple of heroes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesseling and Mark Sessler. So it's so good to

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Speaker 1: be here. It's great. It's uh listen, we love Mondays

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Speaker 1: in the NFL because we've got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just you know, the rest of the day,

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Speaker 1: we gotta file this story, gotta get over there, gotta

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Speaker 1: get in front of a camera, and it's all kind

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Speaker 1: of stops when we get in this room, Studio sixty

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Speaker 1: six and we just talk to some football. It's it's

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Speaker 1: our sanctuary. That's what the kids say, right, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say sanctuary. There you go, well, Mark sanctuary. Cast

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Speaker 1: night was that Accounting Crows concert a Fading nine, right,

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Speaker 1: but you saw it, but you saw Dan Hansas there

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Speaker 1: you went, You went with him? So yeah, we went together.

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Speaker 1: Actually had a chance to. Uh. I went over to

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Speaker 1: Dan's household and met his young son, Jack Carson Hansas.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. What a great little guy. And the family

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Speaker 1: is doing great, doing great from what I could tell.

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Speaker 1: And uh, then we went up and snuck our way

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Speaker 1: were nestled back in like Section B or something, and

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Speaker 1: whittled our way down to the very first row and

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Speaker 1: took some photos. And Dan's wife was cool with him

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Speaker 1: spending the third you know night of his son's life

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Speaker 1: with Adam Dirrett's instead of Jack. Well, the potentially sticky

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Speaker 1: sign of things to come. But uh, I think she

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Speaker 1: was because her family's there. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, listen, Dan, Dan's covered his bases in terms

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Speaker 1: of he's been home for days and days. Counting Crows

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Speaker 1: were annoying in the nineties, all right, you know right now,

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Speaker 1: I will unashamedly stick up for them. I you have

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Speaker 1: bands from your youth that you like and you don't

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Speaker 1: know why I mean. And I'm not claiming that they're

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Speaker 1: burning the burning the fields down now with new content.

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Speaker 1: But one of the hottest hot streaks we've ever seen

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Speaker 1: when it came to absolutely women, I almost got hit once.

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Speaker 1: He was roaring down from sunset up in the hills.

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Speaker 1: I was crossing the street and I saw him, uh,

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Speaker 1: I almost was killed by the man that checks out

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Speaker 1: and you still like him. Well, the injury didn't happen. Well.

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Speaker 1: While you were at the concert, I was digging into

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Speaker 1: a little Panthers chiefs. How about the team of a

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Speaker 1: And they got me thinking. I was thinking, we we

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Speaker 1: rode off the possibility of them being the team of

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Speaker 1: ETL two years in a row too quickly. That they

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Speaker 1: looked pretty fun to watch. Would anyone veto them? I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even going there. I've taken a peek at

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Speaker 1: our power rankings, and it seems obvious that the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are the team of a TL just based on power

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Speaker 1: rankings alone. That's well, nice try. You know the four

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Speaker 1: of us that you know, Dan is off on praternity

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Speaker 1: leave of course, and Kevin, Patra and Mark and Chris

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Speaker 1: and I all put in our power rankings. We shook

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Speaker 1: some numbers overnight, and we now have power rankings that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna include in all our season preview content are

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Speaker 1: a f C West preview is up on Monday, and

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Speaker 1: you can check that out on NFL dot com slash

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Speaker 1: a t L and we'll roll out the rest of

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Speaker 1: f C North on Tuesday. And yeah, the Steelers, uh,

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Speaker 1: deep into third. But we really like the Chargers too.

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Speaker 1: We don't just see them making it back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: We have them as a legit top ten NFL type

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Speaker 1: gonna do something a little different for today's show. We're

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Speaker 1: give our takeaways one by one. Now, if you listen

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Speaker 1: to our show last season, you'll remember every Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: recapping every single game on Sunday. So we're kind of

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Speaker 1: about fifteen games that didn't really matter as much. I've

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Speaker 1: been ready alright, So we're not gonna actually do any news,

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Speaker 1: but we do have a new producer here, not new

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? How was your weekend pretty good?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't going to a Counting Crows contint? You were here? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: Patriots and Eagles on Friday Night. A lot of action

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Speaker 1: in this one. Chris Wesleyan was locked into it. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the quarterbacks on New England side. Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: It was a sloppy game, Mark, I know you were

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Speaker 1: this second game, so they're they're still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what they want to do. I thought Jones Drew

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Speaker 1: actually looked U kay, McFadden's looked pretty good both weeks.

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Speaker 1: James Drew looks slow to me, he looks he looks

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Speaker 1: like last year, is bouncing off some defenders, which that's

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Speaker 1: what he does job though, hat doesn't even try to

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Speaker 1: go deep. And I think that's where your argument that

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Speaker 1: they've been that the interception came on a deflection, and

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, that wasn't his fault necessarily, That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought at first, But then I thought they're

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Speaker 1: sitting on these routes. That's been my main point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he won't even try, so the defenses, they're not dumb.

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Speaker 1: They're watching film, sit on the out, sit on the checkdown.

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Speaker 1: And there there was another throw that ended a drive

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Speaker 1: that it was right on target and the defender reached

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Speaker 1: over the back of I think it was street Or

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Speaker 1: and broke it up and I thought, well, that wasn't

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Speaker 1: a bad throw. But then again I thought they're sitting

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Speaker 1: on these routes. In this preseason Matt mcgloyan has completed

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Speaker 1: ten passes which have traveled ten yards or more. Derek

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Speaker 1: Cars completed five and Car has not shown me much.

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Speaker 1: That's why I but bat Shop has completed zero. I

447
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Speaker 1: don't know we're talking about this right, but you were

448
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Speaker 1: like sticking up for Shop that he hasn't shown anything.

449
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Speaker 1: But this is exactly what we're talking about. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the I just think it's the preseason and I'll

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Speaker 1: kill them after two weeks of the regular I think

452
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Speaker 1: they wanted a veteran to come in and give some

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Speaker 1: continuity at this position. But here's the problem. You can't

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Speaker 1: roll out a quarterback with limited physical gifts at this

455
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Speaker 1: stage in his career. Your entire offense is hamstrung. If

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Speaker 1: you do that. Car is not Blake Bordles. We're not

457
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Speaker 1: saying that, but come on, talk about what what do

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Speaker 1: you want to do to energize this fan base and

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Speaker 1: to give yourself a chance to develop a young passor

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Speaker 1: that's car they're going down with that ship. Anything exciting

461
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Speaker 1: we want to hit on with the Lions. Golden Tate

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Speaker 1: making some noise, look good, hebron looked good. They've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of weapons. Tate looked really good. It's hard

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Speaker 1: not to be excited about their offense. Reggie Bush is

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Speaker 1: the same player he does. He doesn't is. Last year,

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Speaker 1: early in the season, we all thought he looked the

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Speaker 1: best he had since USC And he doesn't look that

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Speaker 1: way right now. But it's there. It's the preseason, and

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Speaker 1: I've heard too many veterans like Reggie Bush that are

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Speaker 1: established and aren't fighting for everything. When they talk about

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Speaker 1: the preseason, they admit they're not going all out. They

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Speaker 1: don't get his intent intense. They're not going isn't his role?

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Speaker 1: I mean he look good to me, look fine. I

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Speaker 1: think his role is gonna be a little bit diminished though.

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Speaker 1: They almost have so many weapons that how do you

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna get Theo Riddick, this guy that we

477
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Speaker 1: can't stop talking about in there too, and Bell and

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Speaker 1: everyone else. I mean, what do we do with Bush?

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be the same. That's good for

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Speaker 1: these kids. I think it's good for Bush too. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he minds and he doesn't need three touches. Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Stafford looked sharp, sharper than I've seen him in a while.

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Speaker 1: It looks good also sharp. Seattle Seahawks. They take the

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Speaker 1: preseason seriously. If every team attacked the preseason like Seattle did,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people would hate the preseason as much

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Speaker 1: as they do the Their game against the Broncos in

487
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Speaker 1: last year's preseason was the hardest I've ever seen any

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Speaker 1: team play in the preseason, and their game against the

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Speaker 1: Chargers last Friday night was the second hardest ever team

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Speaker 1: and I'm guessing both of those games were in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: They have an extra intensity when they're playing. Carol just

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Speaker 1: said that this game against the Chargers was the best

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Speaker 1: preseason game he's seen from one of his own teams.

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Speaker 1: What about the little Christen Mike Robert Turban battle. Michael,

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Speaker 1: to me hasn't looked as good as he did last preseason.

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Speaker 1: Turban looked great. Yeah, I mean Michael, I am surprised

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Speaker 1: the Turban is the guy that's out playing him at

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Speaker 1: this stage. But that is what's happening after two preseason games.

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Speaker 1: I guess to take away is that Turban, if Lynch

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Speaker 1: was to go down, Turban isn't going away. That's a

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Speaker 1: tag team. Well, you're you're the one Mark I believe

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Speaker 1: that wrote up the Kristen Michael making the leap in

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Speaker 1: my correct time. I don't think, yeah, I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I even mentioned Robert Turban in that because

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Speaker 1: he seemed like a non factor to me. I mean

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Speaker 1: with Kristen Michael, if there was, you know, we're looking

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Speaker 1: for the team of a t L. We're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to decide that before week one. We'll we'll start to

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Speaker 1: discuss that more and more in the coming weeks. Dan

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Speaker 1: will get back in because it has to be unanimous vote.

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Speaker 1: If there was a player of a t L this offseason,

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Speaker 1: it might have been Kristin Michael. I mean we were

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Speaker 1: standing on top of a table, on top of a table,

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Speaker 1: so you know, come on, Kristin Michael, how about you,

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Speaker 1: you know, give us something back here. We gve me

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of inc Let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little packers rams. Sam Bradford quietly made his return from

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Speaker 1: a torn a c Does he do anything but quietly?

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. What did What did we think

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Speaker 1: of him? The best case scenario? In my mind, I'm

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Speaker 1: usually underwhelmed by him, and I thought he looked very solid,

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Speaker 1: So you were still underwhelmed, but underwhelmed as usual, he

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Speaker 1: looked better than Sam Bradford usually looks, which was surprising

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Speaker 1: to me coming off in a c L and Briant

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Speaker 1: Quick being a nice he made a nice he was

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Speaker 1: a nice throat a quick and then in that there

527
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Speaker 1: was a nice drive that that he went out on Bradford.

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Speaker 1: And my problem isn't always I'm not sure we I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see Bradford at some point his career in

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Speaker 1: a completely different offense. This I don't want to harp

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Speaker 1: on this over and over every couple of months, but

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Speaker 1: this Shottenheimer Brian Shotenheimer offense is the issue. It is

533
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Speaker 1: a tough wash. Yeah, let's see it in this in

534
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Speaker 1: the season. Man, This offense has a lot of moving

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Speaker 1: pieces right now, and so I think it's fair to

536
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Speaker 1: expect them to start out slowly. You have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: coming off of torn a CL You're trying to start

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Speaker 1: Brian Quick and Kenny bridd All of a sudden, they

539
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Speaker 1: were hoping Trey Mason was going to provide depth at

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Speaker 1: running back. He hasn't really looked great. He's third on

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Speaker 1: the depth chart. They're still searching for a few things.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not searching packers, packers because Aaron Rodgers

543
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Speaker 1: was absolutely surgical, proving once again that he's the best

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Speaker 1: player in the NFL. And it was just absolutely on fire.

545
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Speaker 1: And they have a nice little seventh round wadre sever

546
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Speaker 1: Jeff Janis. He has gotten a Twitter airways right. There

547
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Speaker 1: are seventeen different people that cover, uh, the Packers for

548
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Speaker 1: two newspapers, eight eight for each newspaper, and they all

549
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Speaker 1: tweet play by play in training camp. And Janie has

550
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Speaker 1: been showing up a lot. He showed up in the priests.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen this one yet. Tell me about him.

552
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Speaker 1: He's a small school guy. Uh, he's a white dude,

553
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Speaker 1: and he is big and fast. He's um. You think like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I could pick him out of

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Speaker 1: a lineup with that description, But you're your seventh round receiver.

556
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Speaker 1: You did not expect him to be like six three

557
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Speaker 1: running of four or five and blowing up the measurables

558
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Speaker 1: at the common. And that's what this guy, what you're

559
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Speaker 1: saying is he is the two thousand and fourteen answered

560
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Speaker 1: to Kenbrell Tompkins, a guy. You're like, this is a

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Speaker 1: physical guy. Why why was he not drafted or seventh round?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, more like a guy the Packers

563
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Speaker 1: drafted in the seventh round the year before and ended

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Speaker 1: up on the Browns roster. Charles Johnson, that one's really

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Speaker 1: worked out so far. Excuse john You know, by the

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Speaker 1: time some people were listening to this on Tuesday morning,

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Speaker 1: Charles Johnson plays tonight against the Redskins, you might see

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Speaker 1: something stright. What happens in this game? Uh? What is

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Speaker 1: Charles Johnson doing this match game? He what is he

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Specifics? Four catches, fifty one yards, touchdown. That's

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Speaker 1: not too exciting. It's a preseason game. He's gonna play

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Speaker 1: like fifteen snaps. But this is You've You've had a

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Speaker 1: level of expectations. I expected something more specific, like well,

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Speaker 1: like that was pretty specific. It was underwhelming. I would

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Speaker 1: have thought you would have said, like six catches, eighty

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Speaker 1: three yards and he reads high coup, you know, to

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Speaker 1: Michelle Tavoia right before half gives D'Angelo holl of Weggie. Alright, well,

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Speaker 1: all those things are in play. I'm not saying that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I'm just saying he will have fifty

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Speaker 1: one yards and maybe the high coup as well. Ravens

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were on Saturday night one of the games I

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Speaker 1: was watching here at NFL Media Headquarters in Culver City.

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Speaker 1: Seven games at the same time. It was hard to

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Speaker 1: pay attention, which is part of the reason I didn't

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Speaker 1: take a lot out of this game other than Tony

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Speaker 1: Romo looks healthy and he was accurate on a couple

587
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Speaker 1: of throws deep down the field. Does Bryant is healthy? Hooray?

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Speaker 1: I think des bryant Um has separated from the pack

589
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Speaker 1: and as the clear number two behind Calvin Johnson. He

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Speaker 1: looked amazing. It's the preseason. Now, I'm just saying I

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Speaker 1: thought he was already headed that way, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen this year. Okay, you think it's going

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Speaker 1: to happen, but there's no way that has happened yet. Right,

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Speaker 1: Let's let a J. Green play the season or Julio

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Speaker 1: Jones and let's see what happened. Hey, it's I'm part

596
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Speaker 1: of this podcast and I get to say what I want. No, jeez, guys,

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Speaker 1: Ray Rice, I thought for the second straight week, Look quick,

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Speaker 1: I liked DeMarco Murray. I this is a guy that

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Speaker 1: last year. Hey, you can't stay healthy, that's an issue.

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Speaker 1: But if he can, they kept abandoning the run game

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Speaker 1: at points last season with the past heavy offense. But Murray,

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Speaker 1: Murray looked really good to me on this game. He

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Speaker 1: looked fast, He was a good decision maker. That's not

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Speaker 1: Romo and Bryan and Murray are going to keep this team.

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Speaker 1: They have a good offensive line too. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: how they're going to win games for They're gonna lose

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Speaker 1: games like that too, but this team will score points.

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Speaker 1: I surprisingly was the highest UH around the league writer

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Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. I put him in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the pack this this season. In my power pol I

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Speaker 1: had him as like a seven and nine type of team.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else basically buried them. I just think when you

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback that good and you're in a lousy division,

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Speaker 1: you got this Bryant, you gotta left tackle. I just

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Speaker 1: gonna Romo will win six or seven games for him.

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Speaker 1: That's the reason why they've won games all these years.

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Speaker 1: If he stays healthy. Yeah, that's fair. And their defense

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Speaker 1: second game in a row now, a lot of concern. Sure,

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Speaker 1: a lot of concern would be uh an understatement. But

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Speaker 1: I agree, by the way, with with Chris. Let see,

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Speaker 1: we we agree on some things, right, Ray Rice Bernard Pierce.

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Speaker 1: They're looking good. That offensive line was a disaster last year.

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Speaker 1: That could be a huge, huge turnaround if there's if

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Speaker 1: they're running game suddenly goes from you know, a disaster

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Speaker 1: to a weapon. You know, speaking of disaster, Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: look at that transition, that just that was smooth. The

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Colts. I watched this game. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: is averaging three point zero six yards per tempt for

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Speaker 1: the preseason in his new offense. That will hand have

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Speaker 1: him throwing completions. How about how about se He's one

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Speaker 1: for seven the last week, two weeks or whatever, two

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Speaker 1: for nine I think or something. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: crazy he does. He does not look good. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: even look comfortable in the pocket. It's bad news. Are

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Speaker 1: we Maybe we didn't consider how difficult it would be

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Speaker 1: for Eli Manning to change offenses after being with the

637
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: same coordinator for a decade. Does this offense even suit

638
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: his strengths. He's always been a attack down the field

639
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: type of quarterback and now they've got him doing West

640
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: Coast principles. When you think Eli Manning, you don't think oh,

641
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: quick decision maker in the pocket. You think I'm gonna

642
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: wait as long as I can and take some chances.

643
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: So it's basically the opposite of what they're doing. They

644
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: haven't ed Odell Beckham, but when Tom Coughlin says he's concerned,

645
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes you do struggle in the preseason,

646
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: then you're fine, but sometimes it's just stays being a disaster.

647
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: You could tell he's a little concerned, but you will.

648
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Even within Arizona, for instance, they talked about and in

649
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City, two teams where they had new offenses last season,

650
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and they and a lot of players talked about the

651
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: second half of the year they finally felt at home

652
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and we saw with the Chiefs specifically, that often started

653
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: to light it up towards the end of the year.

654
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a little early to totally right off New York's offense,

655
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: and we're not doing that. But it's just that with Manning,

656
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: if he's an attack the field, down the field quarterback,

657
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times he was throwing the football to

658
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the wrong team last year. They wanted they want to

659
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: reduce that. I think that was the emphasis here. Well,

660
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: they're not changing offensive coordinators because everything was going well

661
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: last year. They were changing because Eli Manning was one

662
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: of the least effective quarterbacks in the league, and no

663
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: one really wants to remember this, but it's not a

664
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: quarterback that particularly inspired confidence that he's a better than

665
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: average player. Right now, how about that? Get that? No

666
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: argument from Chris. I feel a healing. Uh, there's a

667
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: there's an aura of togetherness in this room. Now. A

668
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: couple of quick take plays from the Colts. Looks good,

669
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: he looks good. He had five for fifty three, should

670
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: have had six for eighty nine, but had a thirty

671
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: six yard taunting penalty that raised the ire of coach

672
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Chuck Peccone. Trent Richardson. I saw him make a defender miss. Really, yes,

673
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: on one of his five or six carriers, he made

674
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: a defender miss. Can we have some sort of celebration sound? Actually,

675
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: there's high level executives in entered the building. I didn't

676
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: even notice, but I think they're gonna shut down this operation.

677
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: Uh for Mark Sessler and Chris Wesley. And it's been

678
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: nice having a podcast, it's been nice having a life. No,

679
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Let's let's move on to the Vikings and Cardinals.

680
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Castle and Bridgewater really was the best of all possible

681
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: scenarios for Minnesota. Castle held Serve looks great and then Bridgewater,

682
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't know it did his best John Elway impression.

683
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: Very exciting preseason game, That's what that was. It was

684
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: stadium chanting Teddy over. There was a lot of crazy endings,

685
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: uh to to these preseason games this week, Bridgewater being

686
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: the best one. I mean, he's not gonna take first

687
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: team snaps too much this week. Maybe he will in practice,

688
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: but he's not starting the third preseason game. The competition

689
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: looks all but over. But did we see anything different

690
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: out of Bridgewater this time? He certainly looked more poised,

691
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: He looked more under control. Uh, the rush didn't get

692
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: to him. He seemed like he was going through his progressions.

693
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought he looked really good. He looked like what

694
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: we what we expected coming into the league. Yeah, I mean,

695
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: I think there's concerned there. You know, there's concern over

696
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: his maybe his his deep ball. But honestly, one minute drill,

697
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: first chance to do that in the NFL, he couldn't

698
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: have executed it with more poise. And this is this

699
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: is of all the situations where a court of veteran

700
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: guys standing in the way of the rookie. I have

701
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: the least problem with this because I think Bridgewater probably

702
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: could use a little bit of time to develop. But

703
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: if he goes out in this next preseason game and

704
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: sets the place on fire again, I'm not sure this

705
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: competition is over. I'm just not it's but it's only

706
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna play the fourth quarter against the second and thirty.

707
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it's Well, they said he may see

708
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: you think he will just be if he's If he's

709
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: not doing this against first team defenses, that's a lot different. Well,

710
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: there's not in this situation though. Like I said, I

711
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: don't have such a problem with Castle opening the year.

712
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: He's a good fit for this offense obviously, But they've

713
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: got This is a team that didn't have a quarterback

714
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: for so long. They know and Teddy they've got something.

715
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: It's it's not a lost cause that first game was

716
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: was it was a starting jitter for him. Well, you

717
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: pointed out that North Turner knows how to dial up

718
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: some preseason offenses because Brandon Weeden and every other Brown's

719
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: quarterback look great in the preseason. That's right. It's really

720
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate. Although I do give Pro Football Focus

721
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: a little more credit for accuracy. Now that they have

722
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Matt Castle ranked as the number one quarterback of the

723
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Priests and you are a noted Castle lite. Yeah, I

724
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: think I'm it. The evolutionary Randall Cunningham. According to Gregg,

725
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I said he was the poor man's update of Runningham,

726
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: a very very poverished in He's like slightly more athletic

727
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Oh, give me a break, Give me

728
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: a break. Uh the other first round pick, Anthony bar

729
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: looked great. He's up to one and half sacks in

730
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: the preseason. Looks highly athletic. He's not. He didn't look

731
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: as good as uh my defensive m v P pick

732
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: for the preseason after just two games. Gerald McCoy in

733
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. He's just been living in opposing backfield. I

734
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: don't know if Dallas Thomas is gonna keep his job

735
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: in Miami as a guard because Gerald McCoy just destroyed

736
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: pretty much dominated the game while he was in there.

737
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy is actually a sneaky pick for Defensive Player

738
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: of the Year. Don't you think if they had a

739
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: better record last year, he and Lavonte David would have

740
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: been in the discussion. They deserve to be. He feels

741
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: like a guy that he's going to have a Defensive

742
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Player of the Year award at some point in his career.

743
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: It could happen. And he's kind of reaching that point

744
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: right now where he's at his peak, and he looked great.

745
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: I think this Bucks defense is gonna be really good.

746
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: I didn't take a lot of other big one big takeaway.

747
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm infringing on Check's territory here. The Dolphins uniforms are beautiful,

748
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the home uniforms and the Bucks uniforms are hideous. But

749
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: he can hardly watch the No one likes change. I

750
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: think he can hardly watch the games are bad. Their

751
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: numbers specifically are outrageous. I feel like I have to

752
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: wake up because my alarm clocks going off. It's uh.

753
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: I want to have a question for Wesley on the

754
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Bucks because we got a little we got to see

755
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more of McCown and Glennon because they

756
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: weren't spending the entire game on their back with the

757
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: offensive line. I thought Mike Evans, Mike Evans had a

758
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: nice game. Safari and Jenkins made a nice catch. Vincent

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: Jackson had a nice catch. I mean, that's what we

760
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: thought we'd get with mccount. Do you feel as of

761
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: making the leap candidate you picked him? Is that? Do

762
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: you still feel good about McCown this season. I feel

763
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: like McCown is who we've thought he was, the same

764
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: player he was with the Bears last year. He just

765
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: needs protection up front, and that's if he of course,

766
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: we don't know how they're scheming and we don't know

767
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: if that's going to change, but that's yeah, I think

768
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: he'll go as far as his offensive line good and

769
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: the protection wasn't that much better in this game. He

770
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: was under pretty good. He they really didn't move the ball.

771
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: The only time they scored with mccount in the game

772
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: is when they got the ball at the twenty five

773
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: yard line and they converted on the short field. Yeah.

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00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see, I just if it's Doug

775
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Martin or someone else, catch a lot of passes this year,

776
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: because one thing they shifted in this second game was

777
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: quick passing, get the ball out of the quarterback's hands quick.

778
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: And you saw Martin. Yeah, he had forty nine catches.

779
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I think it was as a rookie. I think he'll

780
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: top that. You know who else, uh gonna make some

781
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: catches as a rookie, Ryan says, or except they're gonna

782
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: be coming out of the hands of opposing quarterbacks. How

783
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: about that play the other night from your boy Chris,

784
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: He looked I saw rap Sheet retweeted one of my

785
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: tweets that he he said he looked like a safety.

786
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: To me, looked like a cheetah or a gazelle. The

787
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: guy can move like once. The last time a linebacker

788
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: moved like that when it was in practice A couple

789
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: back during O t a s when Shazire made a

790
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: similar interception like that, where they started to talk about

791
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: him being used in the Troy Polamalu fashion because he

792
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: does have that safety, that that athletic prowess. It's not

793
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: just a linebackers type body. The guy can The guy

794
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: can move around. One of the Steelers beat writers tweeted

795
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: or opened his blog post by saying it was the

796
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: best UH introduction by a Steelers player that he had

797
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: seen in twenty two years of covering the team, and

798
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: compared his performance to Forest Whittaker's character and UH the

799
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: legendary scene from Fast Times at Ridgemont High where he

800
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: just recks the opposing offense all by himself. I have

801
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. The film a film, Yeah,

802
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: char I was born in nine. It's a classic. E

803
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: J Manuel also struggled in that game. And I think,

804
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: really the best thing I could say about e j Manuel,

805
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: or maybe the most telling thing I could say about

806
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: e J Manuel, is that Patrick Carwley, our friend down

807
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: in the news room who's a big Bills fan, says

808
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: he woke up during the weekend thinking about how much

809
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: would it cost to trade for Mark Sanchez for the Bills. Well,

810
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: you don't have a first round pick to trade to

811
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: anyone because you gave that to the Cleveland looks. We

812
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: we killed the Raiders for their approach to the off season.

813
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: The Bills deserve a little bit of guff here too.

814
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: They they said at the combine that they're gonna look

815
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: at all alternatives for the quarterbacks. They could look into

816
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: acquiring several more, and they decided that Thaddeus Lewis was

817
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: a good backup, may not even make the team. This

818
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: was your backup plan, and Jeff Toole, who doesn't have

819
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: an NFL arm, is maybe going to be your second.

820
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: If e J Manuel is not the answer, you're in trouble,

821
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know who doesn't need a backup plan,

822
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis because he's got the hundred million dollar red rifle.

823
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton throwing passes down the field in the preseason.

824
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Some of us call him the thirty six million dollar

825
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: red well, you know, and I think Dalton's one guy

826
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: that the narrative narrative on him feels cooked, like no

827
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: matter what he does, it's like, oh, but it's Andy Dalton.

828
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: He really really did look some of his best football

829
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: came out in the last couple of games. Like he's preseason,

830
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: he's united in the preseason, and and that's right. But

831
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk about the games at all, we

832
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: might as well acknowledge that Dalton has looked sharp, has

833
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: been quick with his decisions. You know, there's that group

834
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks and there's about eight or ten of them

835
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: that everyone in these preseason games, they're coming out with

836
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: six for six, one yards in a touchdown in this preseason.

837
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: He's been in that group. Andy Dalton maybe a candidate

838
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: for preseason m v P if he has a big

839
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: third way. Well, and because all they we are going

840
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: to give out the first time anyone's ever done it,

841
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna make history. Give it out on the podcast.

842
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a post, so send your candidates into

843
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: uh to our Twitter. It's a it's a death knail

844
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: considering that weed and't when it would have won that

845
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: last year. The Clowner Levin Prior race for Defensive Rookie

846
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Speaker 1: of the Year is gonna be sterling. But I loved

847
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan after the game. First of all, he made

848
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: the joke that I just referred to, which is that

849
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, you know, looked like a hundred million dollar

850
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: quarterback against against us. Every time he plays the Jets,

851
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: he lights him up. And then I also love they

852
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: asked him about the cornerbacks on the team and Rex

853
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: basically just refused to answer it and just started talking

854
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: about Calvin Pryor and said and and then called out

855
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: the reporters that said, looks like we got that one right. Huh.

856
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: Basically just wanted to change the discussion from all the

857
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: terrible quarterbacks, said Calvin Pryor knocked two dudes out. One

858
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: guy he hitting the knee. That's great. Um. Another guy,

859
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: unfortunately went down to a big knee injury this weekend

860
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: was Falcon's left tackle Sam Baker. Ruptured Patil Attendant out

861
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: for the season. They announced on Monday, Jake Matthews is

862
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna move over to the left side. Does this are

863
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: you when it comes to the Falcons offsen offense. I

864
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: think it could actually help their offensive line. I'm not kidding.

865
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Jake Matthew Sam Baker was a blow average left tackle

866
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: and they stuck with him because of their financial investment

867
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: in him. They they doubled up though they took him

868
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: in the first round, and people don't realize they gave

869
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: him a big time contract before he was a free

870
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: agent when he was coming off his one really good season.

871
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Jake Matthews was built as a left tackle coming out,

872
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: and to me should be an upgrade immediately on Baker,

873
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: who was one of the worst, one of the worst

874
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: left tackles in football when he was healthy. Ladership you

875
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: also though you have to suddenly you've got Lamar Houston

876
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: in there, Lamar Holmes, Lamar Holmes in there on the

877
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: right side. That's that's not a player of much applaum.

878
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's this. He was drafted in the third

879
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: round and this the first chance to start was last year.

880
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Most people assume third round picks will get better in

881
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: their second season, so we can't write him off yet.

882
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: He and Sam Baker wasn't Joe Thomas. I mean, but

883
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: they basically made line play their priority this offseason, and

884
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: they just lost their starting left tackle. That was the

885
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: biggest injury of the offseason. Knock on, I mean of

886
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: the week. Knocking again, it was a relatively light week

887
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: for serious injuries, which I love to see. That means

888
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: the other shoe will draw. Now it's not another Falcon

889
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: who I saw in this game, Devonte Freeman. I'm more

890
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: impressed by him than Bishop Sanky, and he was drafted

891
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: a couple of rounds later. Why aren't the Falcons coaching

892
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: staff more impressed? Though? I don't know, I don't want.

893
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: He seems like a very likable guy. He's a great

894
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: hard knocks character. Put him in with the starters. Let's

895
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: see a little. He looks really good as a runner

896
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: in a receiver. I think he lined up out why

897
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: a couple of times in that game. You you were

898
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: getting really excited about your boy Alfred Blue in this game.

899
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: I like Alfred Blue. I mean, he had a small

900
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: body of work, but he had a couple of runs

901
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: in a row where he ran with power. He looked

902
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: a little bit like a better version of He looked

903
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: like Ben Tate when Tate was healthy. I was gonna say,

904
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: he reminds me a little bit of Arian Foster. He

905
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: looks like an It sounds like a cliche, but he

906
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: looks like an NFL running back and the kind of

907
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: a random guy that has really good size but great movement.

908
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: He looked like a power running back. He wasn't. I mean,

909
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: you were getting crazy about the red zone carries that. Yeah,

910
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: well I like this, Alfred. You know that team went

911
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: out and they dumped two running backs last week and

912
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: brought in some other journeyman. But I think he's going

913
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: to play a role in this offense. I can confirm. Mark.

914
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna hurt you, but Tom Savage exists,

915
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: and he was in the game as the second string

916
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Texans. He might as well not exist. Yeah.

917
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: The the box score was suggested a phantom likes is

918
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: completing four of them for eight yards. Oh my gosh, well,

919
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: we we're gonna have to. That's one point one point

920
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: six and that gets us to the new Gabber zone,

921
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: which is under two. The Gabber zone for new listeners

922
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: has always been a yard's per attempt between five and six. Really,

923
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: anything under six, that's Gabber. He's the worst quarterback statistically

924
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: of the last uh twenty years. He's got a five

925
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: point six yards per at tempt average in the preseason,

926
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: though he's under two. Blame Gabbert. I think, well, he

927
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: moved it up to two. He had two point nine

928
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: in his second game, first game, right, so he might

929
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: be a little over. But yeah, the new Gabbert zone

930
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: savages joining him under. That is why come week one,

931
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernet's backup will be Christian Ponder. Oh. I like

932
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: that prediction. And that brings us to our last game

933
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: of the weekend, Panthers and Chiefs. They played on Sunday night.

934
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's return from ankle surgery. Differing views in the

935
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: newsroom about you know, whether Newton's ankle looked okay, West,

936
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I know you didn't think he was moving very well.

937
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I thought he was dragging his foot around, hesitant to

938
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: do anything on that ankle. Really, I thought he didn't

939
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: want to let it go and start scrambling. But that's

940
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: because it's the preseason. I don't think he would have

941
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: done that last year. Either he knows he needs to

942
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: practice in the pocket. He's not gonna be running all

943
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: over the place in the preseason. We should have a

944
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: better idea after the next game. But to me, it

945
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: looked like it could be an early season issue because

946
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, without a scrambling ability, is not a very

947
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He missed throws early. They only had one

948
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: yard in their first three drives, and there were some comments, Wow,

949
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: Cam Newton not not looking good, and that's what he

950
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: always does exactly, And sometimes it's just like we have

951
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: one narrative for a guy. It's like, Okay, Cam Newton

952
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: is now good because he's coming off a good season.

953
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: And I've always been a huge Cam Newton fan. But

954
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: even at his best, he is as streaky as any

955
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. All of last season, he would

956
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: have entire quarters or even halves where he couldn't hit anything,

957
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: and then just like that, he turned it around. He

958
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: was very good on third downs and he'd be on

959
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: fire for an entire half, and that's kind of who

960
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is. I was three ft away from a

961
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: sweating Adam Durrets, so I didn't see a second of this,

962
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: But what about all of us are are lower on

963
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, a little bit down on the Chiefs in general.

964
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: What about their offense? Like, what's what's going on with U?

965
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: With Alex Smith? With their offensive line where they lost

966
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: three starters, looks like a disaster. Alex Smith, they thought

967
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: played very well delivering throws under pressure. But Eric Fisher

968
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: was tossed around. He was embarrassed. And when did the

969
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Chiefs start getting really worried about Eric Fisher? Because this

970
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: is the number one overall picking last year's draft, and

971
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't a good draft, but he wasn't

972
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: just struggling like a rookie last year. He was arguably

973
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: the worst starter in the entire league. Football Outsiders has

974
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: a stat blown blocks, and he led the league in

975
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: blown blocks per snap. Yeah, it's a problem. Their offensive

976
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: line is almost I mean, it's entirely different from last year.

977
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: But I agree with you want Smith. Every time I

978
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: watched him, I come away a little bit more impressed.

979
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: He's a smart quarterback. I feel like he stands in

980
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: the pocket, will he commands the offense. Will he's very tough. Uh.

981
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: Dwayne bow looks lot better this year. Yeah, he's moving

982
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: much better. Uh. Travis Kelsey looks like a weapon. I

983
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: would like to see him start making some places with

984
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: the first team offense instead of the second team offense.

985
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: But that's another candidate for preseason m v P. He's

986
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: got a long touch that in both games. Now, how

987
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: about Aaron Murray first pass in an NFL game? Granted

988
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: it was a preseason game, one for one for a

989
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: forty something yard touchdown downstairs right there. Murray was tabbed

990
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: as the most handsome rookie quarterback downstairs and the by

991
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: Wayne our social media grew. I went with Blake Bortles.

992
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Well with the helmet on, a very handsome guy. This

993
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: is coming from the guy with no hair. Yeah. I

994
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: don't think you can go board there. I don't. I

995
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: don't even know what Murray looks like really off the time.

996
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: One quick thing on the Panthers. I really like Jonathan Stewart.

997
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: He only had a few carries, but he looked like

998
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven Jonathan Stewart, who was one of the

999
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: best running backs in the NFL. Yeah. I have said

1000
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: that statement seventeen different times in in the last ten years,

1001
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Stewart looks great or Jonathan Stewart, if he's

1002
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: fully healthy, has the tools to be a top five

1003
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: NFL and he is a guy that like, we will

1004
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: write forty five articles on him a year, and thirty

1005
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: eight of them will be about like an injury situation

1006
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: that has him on the side of practice. He did

1007
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: look really good. I mean, if he was healthy, it

1008
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: totally changes what they can do because the Angela Williams

1009
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: at this point, he's like a souped up Pierre Thomas.

1010
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: And I say that that's not a bad thing. I

1011
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: love Pierre Thomas, but the Pierre Thomas on my team

1012
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: than the Angela william I think I would too. Maybe

1013
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: maybe he's not even up Pierre Thomas. Well, I meant

1014
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: he can run with power a little better than Pierre Thomas.

1015
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Pierre Pierre can do it all. Jonathan Stewart still seven

1016
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: years old. Really, that's insane to me going on forty

1017
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: six physically, not from what he showed last night. Yeah,

1018
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: he looked good and it's it did make me wonder

1019
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: if we've sold this Panthers team short, because like the Seahawks, uh,

1020
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: they have an unbelievable front seven and unbelievable aggression and

1021
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: they just seemed well coached. And even though their secondaries

1022
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: all new players, their secondaries was bad players. Last I've

1023
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: never seen a preseason game with with a pair of

1024
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: starting cornerbacks making that many plays at the line of scrimmage. Now,

1025
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can cover, but they can

1026
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: they can tackle the line of scrimmage. Right. You got

1027
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: Keith Lee and Davis is the most fun duo to watch.

1028
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of good pass rushers. Someone by

1029
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: the name of Wes Horton practically destroyed Alex Smith last night.

1030
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: They just find pass rushers in their pockets. Maybe Ron

1031
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: Rivera is a genius. Well you We opened the show

1032
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: by saying that maybe we've overlooked them as the team

1033
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: of atl but we can't go the same team two

1034
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: years in a row, can we? Why not? We could?

1035
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: I mean technically we can, but I mean, for real,

1036
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: let's anti climactic. What do you think, Zachariah? As we

1037
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: wrap up the show here, I'm talking about you guys

1038
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: talking about Gabbert and all them. I watched them all weekend.

1039
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: He was horrendous. Red Rocket did well, what what do

1040
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: you think of doing the Panthers as the team of

1041
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: a t L back to backseats. Is that clearly not

1042
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: listening to that, because that's that's that's a TD trait,

1043
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's a nod to t D. I like that.

1044
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't think the Panthers gonna make much noise this year.

1045
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not all about predictions, although obviously we'd

1046
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: like our team to do well. It's more about a

1047
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: team that you know gets us up in the morning.

1048
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if you like talking about NFL, you know

1049
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: the NFC South and how you guys think the Saints

1050
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: of the team, how could the Panthers be that's mathematically

1051
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: He's made a good point. There's matlock is behind the girls,

1052
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: just shooting holes in our theories. On that note, I

1053
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: think we're all done here. We're gonna be back on

1054
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday this week. Wednesday, we're going to cook

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Speaker 1: up something a little special. You'll have to wait to

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00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: find out what it is, and I guess I'll have

1057
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Speaker 1: to wait to wait and for us to figure out

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00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: what it is. But it's gonna be special, could be

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00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Show, could be a little started a season preview.

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00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be meaty and We're gonna dig in. That's

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Speaker 1: all I got for you. For Bark, Sessler, Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: and Zack behind the glass of Greg Rosenthal will see

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Speaker 1: your win.