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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.

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Speaker 2: The Jets have twelve new coaches on their staff, including

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Frank Reich.

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Speaker 1: Reich is making a return to the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Of course, he was a teammate of head coach Aaron

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Speaker 2: Glen with the Green and White back in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: Reich has more than thirty years of experience in the

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Speaker 2: National Football League, both as a player and as a coach.

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Speaker 2: Reich has lived the game from every angle. We're going

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Speaker 2: to dive into that right now with the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame quarterback he backed up in Buffalo, Jim Kelly, and

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Speaker 2: the former Philadelphia Eagles head coach he won a Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl with when Reich was an offensive coordinator back in

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Doug Peterson, Just a programming note before we

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Speaker 2: get to Jim Kelly. We'll take the podcast on the

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Speaker 2: road a couple times this offseason, and that starts next

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Speaker 2: week in Indy as we'll be at the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 3: We'll beat anybody in the world, and I think we're

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Speaker 3: going to win. Next Sunday gets wonders.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Let's go back a few decades.

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Speaker 2: Take me back to nineteen eighty six, when you walked

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Speaker 2: in and you started out as a Buffalo Bill and

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Speaker 2: you met Frank Reich.

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Speaker 4: Well, now you're really messing with my head for me

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Speaker 4: to remember that far back. Oh goodness, I didn't more

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Speaker 4: than anything. When I was drafted by the Buffalo Bill

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Speaker 4: back in nineteen eighty three. I went to Buffalo and

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Speaker 4: there I was with Joe Ferguson. When I saw him

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Speaker 4: on the bench for a few years, there's no doubt about.

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Speaker 4: And then of course going to the USFL for a

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Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six, and of course Frank was there,

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Speaker 4: and I just got to know him and meet him,

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Speaker 4: and the things from that point on just drew, not

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Speaker 4: only as far as our team, but my friendship with

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Speaker 4: Frank and how we pretty much understood each other and

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Speaker 4: where he was at where I was at, And I couldn't,

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you, and I know a price

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Speaker 4: Schagers later on two, I wouldn't know if you wear

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Speaker 4: a gold jacket if it wasn't for number fourteen on

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Speaker 4: our team. Asked Frank Raich what he meant to not

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Speaker 4: only our team, but to me personally.

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Speaker 1: You were the guy.

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Speaker 2: You were the guy who was supposed to come there

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Speaker 2: and turn the Buffalo Bill's fortunes around. Machine Gun Kelly,

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Speaker 2: What kind of relationship did you have with Frank early

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Speaker 2: on and then how did it develop?

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Speaker 4: Well? Our relationship was great always. I mean, we did

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Speaker 4: golf terms together when Boomer Size and him and Boomer

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Speaker 4: were I guess in college teammates in college, and then

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Speaker 4: of course coming to Buffalo known Frank was there before

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Speaker 4: me and didn't understand the whole thing. I remember even

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Speaker 4: the point where Frank was asking me before I signed

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Speaker 4: a Buffalo Bill? And I even told him I do.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you, Frank, I will never come to Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden I wind up going there.

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Speaker 4: And then of course after I signed, our relationship was very,

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Speaker 4: very good. I was, I guess their time grew. He

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Speaker 4: knew the type of person I was. I was more

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Speaker 4: of a outdoor, crazy, love that fun guy. He was

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Speaker 4: he was my roommate early on in my career and

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Speaker 4: then the more that he got to know me, I

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Speaker 4: think he decided maybe I need to change roommates. But

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Speaker 4: that was my personality. I was never a guy to

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Speaker 4: I've been very blessed. I had five brothers. I had

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Speaker 4: I wish I would have listened to him more about

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Speaker 4: off the field earner. And that was pretty much becoming

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Speaker 4: a Christian. I was a Catholic growing up, and I

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Speaker 4: was your typical sitting there sitting Neill stand. You'd go

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Speaker 4: through your confessions, you confess Hunderson, and then you move on.

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Speaker 4: And I had three more clean weeks ago, but that

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Speaker 4: He's such a good, classy guy and very very smart.

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Speaker 2: He always has had that steady tempermit like even keeled,

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Speaker 4: Well, not only that, I think his father was a coach.

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Speaker 4: If I correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

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Speaker 4: he handled himself in meetings. He was amazing. And the

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Speaker 4: But he also was a guy that knew when I

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Speaker 4: were playing games, but in practiced and meetings. More than anything,

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Speaker 4: the two cents that he gave was more than two cents.

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Speaker 4: It was like twenty dollars Bill. I mean, he gave

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Speaker 4: prior to that meeting and Ted Markshabro that was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Jim shaff Or our quarterback coach, and Ted was our

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Speaker 4: Frank will get to that point. And I'm sure I

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Speaker 4: haven't been around him as far as you know, in

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Speaker 4: I wish you would be with Buffalo nottor Jet.

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Speaker 2: So you guys revolutionized offensive football there in the early

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Speaker 2: nineties late eighties. When you're talking about the K gun offense,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Ted Marchibroda before. What was it like for

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Speaker 2: you and Frank as far as knowing that, okay, offensively,

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Speaker 1: Played right now. How much did.

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Speaker 2: Frank soak in that experience maybe behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Well, to be honest with you, Frank and I, as

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Speaker 4: far as offensive schemes were different. I was the no huddle.

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Speaker 4: I would come up call formation, I would call pass protection,

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Speaker 4: What play do I want to run? So all these

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Speaker 4: Frank ran, under, you approach off the huddle up, take

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Speaker 4: to change it. We were a lot too audible, so

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Speaker 4: Frank approached to the Buffalo Bills. No huw to was different.

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Speaker 4: He liked the huddle up. I liked a fast paced

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Speaker 4: pretty much how I liked my life, and pretty much

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Speaker 4: my life I live now because I remember my mother

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Speaker 4: That was never me. I was never like that, and

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Speaker 4: still I am not. I mean, I've told friends before

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Speaker 4: the door, I gotta slow this pace down, chan Hendris,

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Speaker 4: I have not been able to do it, even through

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Speaker 4: four bouts of cancer. I can't slow down. I gotta

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Speaker 1: Yeah, God bless you.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two, you get hurt against the Houston Oilers.

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Speaker 2: The following week, the Bills are hosts the Oilers, and

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Speaker 2: the return matchup, Frank Reich's getting the start at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: What are your recollections. We'll get to the game in

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Speaker 2: a second. But of the week of preparation leading into.

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Speaker 4: That game, well, I knew we would be ready. And

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Speaker 4: a good thing about is our team had confidence in Frank.

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Speaker 4: Frank was a quarterback that he knew the system inside out.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like we had a whole new offense. And

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Speaker 4: like some quarterbacks that you know, even back then, they

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Speaker 4: would you know, have three, four or five different coaches

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Speaker 4: they went somewhere else to be a coordinator somewhere else

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Speaker 4: running Bay Thurm and Andre and all of them. They

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Speaker 4: knew that Frank knew the offense as well as I did.

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Speaker 4: Even though he was going to run a different style

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Speaker 4: They knew we were gonna be okay. But I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what, going to that game, after the start off,

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Speaker 4: I was getting butts whipped your first half. I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 4: And yet of course, first series, would throw an interception

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Speaker 4: one thing that led to another. And the confidence that

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Speaker 4: I'm sure run that no huddle offense prior to even

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Speaker 4: though Frank was a huge part of it on the field,

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Speaker 4: he understood what it took once he got on the

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Speaker 4: field if he had to do that. So he did that.

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Speaker 4: He brought our team back and here we are four

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Speaker 4: super Bowls. That was probably our third if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 1: At thirty five to three.

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned early in the third quarter, you're on

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Speaker 2: the sideline. We've seen footage of this for decades now,

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Speaker 2: and there are a number of key bills on the sidelines.

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Speaker 2: What is Frank like in that situation as far as

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Speaker 2: how he stayed his approach, seemed like, you know, you

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Speaker 2: see all these highlights of Frank on the sideline. He

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Speaker 2: was never rattled even after the pick six and you're

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Speaker 4: Cool common collective you're saying. One of the things I

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're celebrating the team's victory, but what did it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's often for Yatta about when you're talking about

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Speaker 4: They're back to the Steelers. But overall, Frank had under

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Speaker 2: Any surprise as you look back that he did get

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you wind up being one of the main

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Speaker 4: Frank knows that it's all about to build about you can't.

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Speaker 1: But can you speak to that dynamic? Though?

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Speaker 2: You just mentioned a jim that Aaron Glenn brings on

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to find out if he's calling plays

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Speaker 2: And you guys had an outstanding running back there in

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying like I was talking, and we're going

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Speaker 4: Well, you have to, and I complain a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Jim, this was outstanding.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate you going down Memick memory, laying here

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Speaker 4: One of the things I'm going to bring up before

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that long story short, Frank

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to find a new place for Frank

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Speaker 2: Jah Jafford, Doug, Let's go back to nineteen ninety five

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Speaker 2: and Carolina, you meet Frank Reich.

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Speaker 1: Why did you too hit it off right off the bat?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we hit it off, and it's probably

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Speaker 3: backup quarterbacks in the National Football League and and we

436
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: became teammates, you know, right away obviously in nineteen ninety five,

437
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: and you know, I think our personalities aligned. Frank was

438
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 3: just so so generous and so helpful to me as

439
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: a young quarterback obviously trying to learn a new system,

440
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: but just just made a great connection back then. And

441
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: of course I you know, I played in Miami when

442
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: he was in Buffalo as well as we're playing against

443
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: each other a little bit, but just a just a

444
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: tremendous person and and really began began a relationship that

445
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: we really didn't know at the time would end up

446
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: working together. You know in Philadelphia.

447
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: What was that quarterback room like the dynamic And could

448
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: you ever had a vision that hey, maybe both of

449
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: us will be coaching the National Football League at some point.

450
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: Well you never, you know, you never think you're gonna

451
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: both be in the National Football League or working together

452
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: as a coach. But your your goal and dream obviously

453
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: is to is to play in the National Football League.

454
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: And you know, Frank hatt had a great career obviously,

455
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: and and he's a little bit older than I am.

456
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: But you know that that room, you know, that year

457
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: drafted Kerrie Collins as well out of Penn State, you know,

458
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: and Frank's there, I'm there, and and I believe Jack

459
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: Trudeau was the other quarterback in that room. So you know,

460
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: it was a very very diverse, very unique, new unique room.

461
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: But I'll always remember just how how you know, just

462
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: how helpful and how uh he just was. He was

463
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: a coach to me really on the field, and even

464
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: though I was only there for a short period of time,

465
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: just began a relationship that uh, you know, we still

466
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: carry on today.

467
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: But that's really quite rare when you're talking about, Hey,

468
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: you were there less than four months, weren't you.

469
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: That's right, That's right, and that and that.

470
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: Bond was lasting, as we would find out in later years.

471
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it you know, you never know what's gonna happen

472
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: or how it's gonna end up, you know, in your

473
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: in your careers, and and you know, obviously when I

474
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 3: became a head coach in Philadelphia and Frank was was

475
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 3: out in at the time the San Diego Chargers, and

476
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: and another quarterback and Mike McCoy was the head coach.

477
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: He and I were teammates in Green Bay together. You

478
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: never know again when your past are going to cross

479
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: and and and you know, obviously, you know Mike had

480
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: to make some tough decisions out there, but it really

481
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: led Frank back to me, or me back to Frank,

482
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: you know in twenty sixteen in Philadelphia when I was

483
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: able to hire him as a as an offensive coordinator.

484
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: And.

485
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: You know, just reliving all those memories and and really

486
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: how our paths are very similar, I think, uh to

487
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: becoming coaches in the National Football League.

488
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: But can you speak to a little bit before that

489
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: when he was with the Chargers, because you were with

490
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, right, did you guys exchange ideas and thoughts

491
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: at the time, even though your division rivals at that.

492
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: Point, Yeah, we never I mean we crossed, we crossed

493
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: obviously in the same division, but but never never talked football.

494
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 3: As far as you know, ex's and o's go. I

495
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: just knew that that Frank was a sharp guy, was

496
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator there in San Diego. But you know,

497
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 3: we had some we had some great games against each other,

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: and and and but never never exchanged the the thought

499
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: of ideas or plays or anything. Of that nature. But

500
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 3: but still, you know, still would have conversations and and

501
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 3: especially after you play a game, uh, just to see

502
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: what the other person was thinking. And but you know,

503
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: those are again those are those are thoughts that you

504
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: think about when you know, when you become a head

505
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 3: coach and you're really interviewing your next coordinator, who you

506
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: know who comes to mind? And and ultimately for me

507
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: it was Frank.

508
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said you hand picked him as offensive coordinator.

509
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: So as soon as.

510
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: You get in that spot, why was Reich a top

511
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: the list, because you know there are people in the

512
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: National Football League clamoring all the time to get a

513
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: position like that.

514
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it was Uh, I think it was

515
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: just the right the right timing for me, you know,

516
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: going in as a first time head coach in Philadelphia,

517
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: and you know I hired Jim Schwartz as the defensive coordinator,

518
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: so I really had the defensive side sort of secure

519
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: form head coach, been a coordinator for twenty plus years

520
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: in the National Football League, and I wanted someone very

521
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: similar on the offensive side, but not only with the experience,

522
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: but also very like minded. And Frank and I both

523
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: being quarterbacks in the NFL, and understanding the quarterback position.

524
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: That was important to me back then because we were

525
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: going into that draft knowing we were going to have

526
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: to draft a quarterback you know, in Philadelphia, So having

527
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: Frank there to help develop that person, and as everybody

528
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: knows it was you know, Carson Wentz and was very

529
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: helpful to me. And that's why Frank was a great candidate,

530
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, for me in twenty sixteen, not only as

531
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: a football coach, but I think also as a quarterback developer.

532
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: Understanding that room, that dynamic and very beneficial to me.

533
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you speak about the roles and responsibilities because

534
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: you went in there and said you were going to

535
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: handle the play calling, but Frank was your offensive coordinator.

536
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: So what did you hand off to him during the

537
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: week that got you ready for Sunday?

538
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, now those are those are conversations because

539
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: every every coordinator wants to call plays, whether your offense, defense, whatever.

540
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: And I was coming from Kansas City where Andy Reid

541
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: you know, called all the plays and and he let

542
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: me do that a little bit in twenty fifteen in

543
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: Kansas City, which gave me great experience, you know, calling

544
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: calling plays. But I knew I knew going to Philadelphia

545
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: that I wanted to call plays and I was going

546
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: to call plays, and so having that conversation with Frank,

547
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: and Frank was fine with that. He he he was,

548
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: he was on board with it. And and so basically

549
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: what I had done is said, Hey, Frank, let's let's

550
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: you and I coordinate, you know, the offense. Let's let's

551
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: let's put this thing together as we gain plan. Let's

552
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: game plan together. You know, ultimately you're you're you're talking

553
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: with the run guy, You're talking with the other offensive coaches,

554
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: and you can divvy up the responsibilities so it's all

555
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: not falling on you as the coordinator, but you know,

556
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: putting game plans together. And then I think too at practice,

557
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: just running practice, being in the quarterback room, being able

558
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: to run, run the film, run the sessions. You know,

559
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: even though I had a quarterback coach, Frank was a

560
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: big part and a big mentor in that room. So

561
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: his voice matching up with my voice in that quarterback

562
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: room becomes very important. And so that's what I was

563
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: able to kind of hand over to Frank at that

564
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: time was the obviously the game plans, but more importantly

565
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: having that voy because I couldn't always be in the

566
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: quarterback room. As much as I'd like to, I couldn't

567
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: be in there. And so Frank having that same voice

568
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: from me was very important and we were communicating the

569
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: same things.

570
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: Why was he such a positive influence for a guy

571
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: like Carson coming into the NFL in the situation that

572
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: you guys were at, And can you speak about that

573
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: dynamic life? Like, Hey, you've got to be able to

574
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: talk to the quarterback, but you also have to be

575
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: able to command that room and the entire offense.

576
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: You know, And that's just it. You've got to be

577
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: able to you know, Number one, you've got to be

578
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: able to teach the information, to teach the material, and

579
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: you've got to be able to teach it in a

580
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: way your quarterback can understand. And Frank is a great teacher. First,

581
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: his demeanor, his personality, the way he comes across, he's

582
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: you know, he can be very calming during the course

583
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: of the week. He kind of presents himself that way,

584
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: and that's really what you want around your quarterback. You

585
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: don't want somebody that's always just like, you know, going

586
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: crazy and maybe losing their minds all the time. But

587
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: having that calming presence, and that's very important to have

588
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: around your quarterback because the quarterback position's tough enough to play,

589
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: especially in the National Football League, and you're always under

590
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: a microscope and you're always being scrutinized, and you're in

591
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: the you know, it's the quarterback and the head coach, right,

592
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: So Frank was kind of that head coach for me

593
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: in that room in the development of Carson. You could

594
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: see from year one to year two. Carson was going

595
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: into year two and was having an MVP season and unfortunately,

596
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: you know, he got hurt late in the year. But

597
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: I think for me just having Frank's presence being able

598
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: to take my voice because I was the one that

599
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 3: was also installing plays during the week, right, so I

600
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: was putting in the offense during the week. So Frank

601
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: was carrying that same message into the quarterback room or

602
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: into the running back room, the tight end room, whatever

603
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: that might be, and so that we were all on

604
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: the same page.

605
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Jets are looking for quarterback stability.

606
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: We know that this past season was the six times

607
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen they started three different signal callers. We'll

608
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: get to that in a second, but you guys had

609
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: early stability.

610
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: There with Wentz and then you hand.

611
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: It off to Nick Foles due to injury like you

612
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: just mentioned, how were you guys able to as a

613
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: staff and can you speak to Frank's role on this

614
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: is Hey, we're molding this guy. He's having MVP type

615
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: season like you mentioned at Carson and a sendy player.

616
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: He's becoming a star and now we have to transition

617
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: to a solid veteran.

618
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: But we have big aspirations still with this team.

619
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was Obviously it was a tough

620
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: situation losing Carson, but the history with Nick and I

621
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: I was I was on coach Reid's staff in twenty

622
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: twelve when we drafted you know, we drafted Nick Foles

623
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: into into Philadelphia and on that team and then and

624
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: then you know, Chip Kelly had him and moved moved

625
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: on from Nick there for a while, went to Kansas City. Anyway,

626
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: came back in twenty seventeen. We brought him back as

627
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: a veteran backup. And you know, in the National Football League,

628
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: you really do need two quarterbacks and and whether the

629
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 3: second guy is a young guy that you're trying to develop,

630
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: are going to develop, or a veteran that you know,

631
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: you got, you know, can step in and run the

632
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 3: show if need be. I just felt like we needed

633
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: two guys. And again, Frank was a big, a big

634
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: part of you know, Nick's development too. At the end

635
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: of the season when when you know, when Carson went

636
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: down and you know, it was evident too, you could

637
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: see it, both both Frank and myself. We went back

638
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: and we watched a lot of film. There was a

639
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: lot of scrutiny around Nick Foles. There was a lot

640
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: of because he didn't play great at the end of

641
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: that season in twenty seventeen. Even though we won a

642
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: couple of games, he still wasn't playing great. So we

643
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: had to figure out, you know, what works best for Nick, right,

644
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: And this is where Frank really really took the reins

645
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: on this and really went back and did a deep

646
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: dive and a deep study on Nick's career, you know,

647
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: having conversations with Nick. I'd have conversations with Nick and

648
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: just understanding kind of what makes him tick. And you know,

649
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: Frank going into the postseason just just put plans together

650
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: each week that that benefited Nick's you know, and and

651
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: really I think emphasized Nick's strengths, right, and we got

652
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: through that Atlanta game, and then we went to minute

653
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: had Minnesota in the you know, NFC Championship, and Nick

654
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: just just ascended and things began to click. And it

655
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: was really I think Frank's impact there that made a

656
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: huge difference. And and really again that calming presence. He

657
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: he was a voice for Nick a little different than

658
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: Carson obviously, because you know, you're not you're coaching them

659
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: the same, but it's two different individuals, right You're you're

660
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: you're coaching them a little bit differently. And and so

661
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: Frank was that voice. Frank was that calming voice, that

662
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: presence around Nick that gave him a lot of confidence

663
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: moving forward. And then you know, we get into the

664
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: Super Bowl and the same thing he was. He was

665
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: playing with a lot of confidence. And Frank had a

666
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: huge impact on Nick.

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, end of that season, well it was a

668
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: different shade of green.

669
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: We know that, but I know all Jets fans were

670
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: pumped that the Eagles took down the Patriots in a

671
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: wonderful Super Bowl. Then Frank goes on, of course to

672
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: be the head coach there in Indianapolis. He worked with

673
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: nine quarterbacks. So I'm going to read these off right now, Wentz.

674
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: We know that Nick Foles, Philip Rivers, Andrew Locke, Jacoby Brissett,

675
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer, Matt Ryan, sam Ollinger. It was nine quarterbacks

676
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: in all with the Colts and he still managed to

677
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: lead Indy to a forty thirty three and one record

678
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: and two playoff appearances. What do you think about the

679
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: job he did overall in Indianapolis?

680
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: I think overall he did a tremendous job. And you know,

681
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 3: obviously everybody's going to look at the quarterback position, right

682
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: and that's and rightfully so, because I think as your

683
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: team goes, or as I should say, as quarterback goes

684
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: kind of as your team team goes throughout that year.

685
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: And so the impact that he had and working with

686
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: so many guys, and there are some obviously all those

687
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: guys are are are great guys and great quarterbacks. But

688
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: when you're coaching that many guys in a short period

689
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: of time, you got to look at the rest of

690
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: the team and why why are there so many injuries

691
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: and why are there, you know, so many different quarterback

692
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: changes and different things like that, and that's hard. But

693
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: at the same time, you're still winning football games and

694
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's a credit to Frank. That's a

695
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: credit to Frank. The messaging again, it goes back to

696
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: being a consistent having a consistent message with your football team,

697
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, especially as a head coach, but not only

698
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: a head coach, but as an offensive coordinator. You're the

699
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: head coach of the offense. So having that consistent message,

700
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: keeping everybody on the same page, keeping things simple for

701
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: your team to understand as you go play football games.

702
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: And you know, it's just a credit to what he

703
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: what he was able to do, you know in Indianapolis

704
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: and still win football games and still have a winning record,

705
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: you know, when he was let go.

706
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: It's really something looking back that he had a different

707
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: starter in each of his years as Hecky coach Y. Yeah,

708
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: so that's wild in itself. Obviously, he also was head

709
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 2: coach in Carolina and then last year is the interim

710
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: head coach for Andrew Luck who he coached in Indianapolis

711
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: as well. That was one of the names that I

712
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: just didn't mention before. What did you think from afar

713
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: when you heard that Frank was the interim head coach

714
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: for his old protege there or his old student there

715
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: and Andrew luck at stand.

716
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you I was. I was a little

717
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: surprised that Frank was going back to college quite honestly,

718
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: but it's just again, he loves the game so much,

719
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: and he really wanted to go back and really work

720
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: with Andrew. I think that that was a relationship that

721
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: they built in Indianapolis, and you know, one that's going

722
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: to be a long time, you know, friendship the rest

723
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: of their lives obviously, and so I think that was

724
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: the reason, big reason why, you know, he wanted to

725
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: go out to Stanford and help Andrew and and it's

726
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: a credit to Andrew too to really lean on Frank

727
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: and his expertise and his knowledge of the game and

728
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: his leadership skills to bring him out to Stanford and

729
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: then make him the interim head coach. And eventually Frank

730
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: became the play call he became the offensive coordinator out

731
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: there as well, and he kind of did everything. So

732
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that he did that, but

733
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: really look back the thirty thousand foot perspective, it makes

734
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: a lot of sense for Andrew to reach out to

735
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: a guy like Frank just because of their history, but

736
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: also I think because of who Frank is and the

737
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: type of coach that he is.

738
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Which leads us to now, Frank Reich was a New

739
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: York Jet in nineteen ninety six. Now he's coming back

740
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: thirty years later as offensive coordinators teammates with Aaron Glenn.

741
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had the opportunity to talk

742
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: to him over the course of the last seven to

743
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: ten days, But what do you think of the match?

744
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: As Reich returns here as oci.

745
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm happy for Frank, I'm happy for Aaron,

746
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: I think, and I know what Aaron's going through. It's

747
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: a tough situation as a head coach when you're not

748
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: having success early and and you know, everything feels like

749
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: it's collapsing on top of you, and you're trying to

750
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: find everything you can, you know, to try to win

751
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: a football game. And now to go out and get

752
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: a guy like Frank and really kind of to me,

753
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 3: it sends a message that says, Hey, I'm giving Frank

754
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: the offense. I'm giving he's my head coach of the offense,

755
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: and I can focus on the defensive side. And and

756
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a great relationship with those two.

757
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 3: I think they're going to have some success. It may

758
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: not come early, especially depending on what they do at

759
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: the quarterback position, But I know that Frank's gonna develop

760
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: that team. He's gonna develop that roster on offense, He's

761
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: gonna have the best eleven on the field. They got

762
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 3: a tremendous receiver in Garrett and and uh, you know,

763
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: how Frank utilizes him within the scheme is gonna is

764
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: gonna be fun to watch. So I think this is

765
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: a great It was a great hire by Aaron to

766
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: go get a veteran coach, somebody he respects, somebody he likes,

767
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: and really somebody who has had this success that Frank

768
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: has had, whether it was with me or in Indianapolis.

769
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: You know, I think I think it sends the right

770
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: message to the football team that that they're heading in

771
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 3: the right direction.

772
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it makes sense too?

773
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: Like you talked about your own personal experience, Dog and

774
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: I thought that was really tremendous insight, Like a lot

775
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: of people are talking about possibly now Aaron Glenn calling

776
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: plays on the defensive side of the ball.

777
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: We'll have to see how that all works out.

778
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: Of course, he just signed Brian Duker to be his

779
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. They've experienced together from their days in Detroit

780
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: and all the way.

781
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Back to Cleveland.

782
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: Now, if Age does indeed call plays on the defensive side,

783
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: that's nothing that is groundbreaking as far as today's game.

784
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: Because you're talking about we went through the list the

785
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: other day. I think it's like twenty five head coaches.

786
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: You're going to get too close to twenty five head

787
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: coaches in twenty twenty six who are a call plays

788
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: either on the offensive side of the ball or the

789
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: defense ave side the ball, you know.

790
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: And that's the thing nowadays is right whenever a team

791
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: goes through a head coach and change, you know, ownership

792
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: and the search committee is always looking at coordinators, right

793
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: or maybe former head coaches things of that nature. But

794
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: that's the one thing about being coordinators in the NFL

795
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: is you want to call the defense, you want to

796
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: call the offense, and so you know, they want to

797
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: carry that over when they become a head coach. And

798
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: obviously Aaron's no different and you know, so for him

799
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: to do that, I think, you know it really and

800
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: it kind of goes back to what I was mentioning

801
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: earlier with Frank. It gives Aaron a little bit of

802
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: that security that the offense is going to be well

803
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: taken care of. He's got a veteran coach, like I said,

804
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: he's got a former head coach over there, somebody that

805
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 3: knows how to call plays, knows how to call the game.

806
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: Now I can focus on the defensive side. I can

807
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: really dive into the defense. Still manage the offense and

808
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: manage the team. That's what head coaches have to do,

809
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: but I can focus in more on the defense. And

810
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think this past year for Aaron, there

811
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: was a lot going on and and it kind of

812
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: pulled him away from from doing something. And sometimes a

813
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 3: head coach just that's what happens, right, You get pulled

814
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: in different directions, whether you're you know, worried about a

815
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, a player, maybe a free agent you're trying

816
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: to sign, or you're trying to make a trade, and

817
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: you know, you're all the coaches are always involved in

818
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 3: these decisions. And I think now this gives him a

819
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: little stability, especially on the offensive side, and and then

820
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 3: he can he can focus himself. But that's what you're seeing.

821
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: You're seeing more head coaches and whether they're offensive, defensive, guys.

822
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: You will. I will say this though, that I think

823
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: a defensive head coach is more I think it is

824
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: a little bit more ready to maybe hand it over

825
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: to a defensive coordinator to call plays. I think sometimes

826
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: that's the case where where an offensive minded coach wants

827
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: to continue to call you know, the offense. So you

828
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: can you see that a little bit. But that's what

829
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: that's what teams are looking for. They're looking for those

830
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: coordinators and and uh, you know, a coordinator always wants

831
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: to call plays and they're going to do it in

832
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: the NFL.

833
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: What do you expect from Frank from a philosophical approach

834
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball. We've heard Aaron

835
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 2: Glenn talk about in the past. Hey, listen, I want

836
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: to run the football. The Jets are very excited about

837
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: their offensive line. They got book on tackles olo fashion.

838
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: On the left side, You've got our mind member on

839
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: the right side. We'll have to see what happens with

840
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: Breece Hall. You mentioned Garrett Wilson before injury plague season,

841
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: but the guy is a stud receive or a stud receiver.

842
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: You got some young tight ends. Mason Taylor took some

843
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: steps in his impressive rookie year. What do you think

844
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: Frank is entering into and what he's gonna want to

845
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: do from a philosophical standpoint, I.

846
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: Think you you alluded to it right there in your question.

847
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: I think Frank's gonna start with the run game. I

848
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: truly believe that he's gonna lean on those those offensive

849
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: linemen and Frank, I would say, his one of his strengths.

850
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: He's got many strengths, but it is the run game,

851
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: and it's the run game design, and it's how to attack, leverage,

852
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: it's how to attack you know, defensive schemes. And it

853
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: was evident, you know, with us in sixteen and seventeen

854
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: that we had a pretty good run game. You know,

855
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: of course Jeff Staltlin was in charge of that, but

856
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: Frank has that background. So I think it's going to

857
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 3: start there with them. You know, let's get the run

858
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: game going, and then off of that shoot everything everything

859
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: is is possible. The play action game, right, the quarterback

860
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: movement game screens, you know, all your first and second

861
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: down thoughts become very important. But to me, philosophically, he's gonna,

862
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna he's gonna start in that run that run

863
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: room and that run division, whatever that looks like, and

864
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: really get that thing going. He gets that thing going.

865
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: And especially if it's a young quarterback, a young quarterback

866
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 3: needs the run game to help him, you know, get

867
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: more comfortable week in and week out. And and you know,

868
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: not everybody loves the run game. I I personally, i'd

869
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: like it. I think it really helps your quarterback, whether

870
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: you have a veteran guy or a young guy. And

871
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: so I think that's where it's gonna start, you know,

872
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: in New York. And I think that's where uh, you know,

873
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: Frank's strength is is gonna lie and then and then

874
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: they'll branch out into the passing game.

875
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: Interesting spot from the quarterback position. We know that. And

876
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you to name names if

877
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: you you're.

878
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: Not comfortable with it, I'm not going to put you

879
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: in the hot seat there, Doug. But what do you

880
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: think about the Jets just you looking from afar right now,

881
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: where they're at, and how they might approach it, whether

882
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: it be a free agent, a trade for a veteran quarterback.

883
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: And then you have four picks in the top forty

884
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: four overall, number two, overall, number sixteen. Of course, in

885
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: the first round, you got the first pick in the

886
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: second round. How might the organization look at the quarterback spot.

887
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: Now and then down the line.

888
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: I know people are looking at the Jets in twenty

889
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 2: twenty seven. You have three first round picks as well.

890
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: But you can't think about the three first round picks

891
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: as far as who you're putting on the field in

892
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: twenty six.

893
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: No, but you can always use those picks as leverage

894
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 3: if you have a veteran guy or you want to

895
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: make a trade somewhere, you know, even this year moving forward.

896
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 3: So that's obviously an option, and everything's on the table.

897
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say that there. But Frank's

898
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 3: in a very unique situation. I think it's very similar

899
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: to what we did and how we approach twenty sixteen.

900
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 3: You know, we were looking for a quarterback and in Philadelphia,

901
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: and again that's what that's what Frank's gonna do. I

902
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: think Aaron is gonna say, Frank, find us a quarterback,

903
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 3: and and Frank's gonna look at the draft. He's gonna

904
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: he's gonna study all these guys. He's gonna have conversations

905
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: with these young quarterbacks. And you know, right now, it

906
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: looks like Mendoza might be the first overall pick, so

907
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: they may they may miss out on a guy like that.

908
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: But you know, we'll have to see how this all

909
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: plays out later later this spring. But you know, is

910
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: there an opportunity for a for a veteran free agent

911
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: to come in like a guy like we had like

912
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: in Nick Foles for instance, you know, and and or

913
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: is there somebody later in the draft like I don't know,

914
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, again, I haven't studied the draft yet this year,

915
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: but like we took Jalen Hurts in the second round,

916
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, the backup type guy in Philadelphia, So is

917
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: there that type of quarterback there? So so they're gonna

918
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: do their due diligence obviously. That is the again, in

919
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: my humble opinion, it's the most important position of your

920
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: football team as your quarterback. And and can you get

921
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: a young guy in there that you can develop? And

922
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: that's again that's one of frank strengths. We saw it

923
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: in Carson Wentz to be able to develop him over

924
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: the course of a couple of seasons. And and you know,

925
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: and then with with the with the situation that the

926
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 3: Jets are in with picks in the in the next

927
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: few years, you start building pieces around you know, this

928
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: young quarterback if that's the direction that they go. So

929
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: I think it's exciting. I think Frank is definitely up

930
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: for the task. I think he's he's built for it.

931
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: He he has the experience of of developing and building

932
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: with quarterbacks. So I think the decision is going to

933
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: be I must say it's relatively easy, but but it's

934
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: something that is going to be watched heavily. I know

935
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: in the New York media.

936
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: We could talk to you for hours, but I got

937
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: two final ones.

938
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

939
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Bill Musgrave comes over as quarterback coach. Can you talk

940
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: about the experience that he brings to the offensive staff.

941
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: Obviously long time coordinator himself, and he's been working with

942
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks for a long time.

943
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: I think it's a great hire Bill. Bill's got a

944
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: lot of experience in the National Football League and and

945
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: and you're right, you know, he's he's been a coordinator,

946
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: and he knows offense, and so this is gonna be

947
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: a really good pairing with him and Frank and and

948
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: really diving in and and again it's it's it's about

949
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: it's about developing the quarterback position and and really whoever

950
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: whoever they get again free agent, draft or both being

951
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: able to develop that position. And I think Bill is

952
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: really gonna speak the same language that Frank is speaking.

953
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: I think that's important that they're doing that. And so yeah,

954
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: this is this is this is smart, smart by Aaron,

955
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 3: smart by Frank to get somebody like this in there,

956
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: vet quarterback, a coach who uh uh is going to

957
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: be great for that room.

958
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: And finally, where is this thing going? As far as

959
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: the NFL is concerned. We just watched the Super Bowl

960
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: where the Seahawks dominated, and you saw both defenses getting

961
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: after those offensive lines in terms of their protections. What's

962
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: gonna you know, we talk about zig and zag and

963
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: how do people react? So where's the league going right now?

964
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: From a offensive standpoint?

965
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because it's very cyclical, and the

966
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: NFL is and obviously, you know, you could probably say

967
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: the last few years defenses have kind of dominated, you know,

968
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. And no better, no better

969
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: example than this year with the two teams that were

970
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, two great defenses. And you know,

971
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: to me, there's always I think there's a shortage of

972
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 3: offensive linemen quite Frankly and then and then not only

973
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 3: a shortage, but you really have to find guys that

974
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: you just like the quarterback position. You have to develop

975
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: your offensive line. You just can't plug in play guys.

976
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: It's not it's not that easy, even though as coaches

977
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 3: sometimes we think it is. You got to continue to

978
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: develop those guys. And you know, if you're gonna draft

979
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 3: offensive lineman again, you got to spend time. You gotta watch,

980
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: you gotta talk to people, you gotta you gotta invest

981
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: some time in these guys and and really make sure

982
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: you're making the right the right decisions. But you know,

983
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: you can get a two hundred and fifty five, two

984
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pound edge rusher with long arms and speed,

985
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: and you know I would take that guy every day.

986
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's what's wreaking havoc in the in

987
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: the National Football League. And you if you just go

988
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: back and look at all these playoff teams this year,

989
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: I think at Houston, Houston, when I was in Jacksonville, obviously,

990
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: Houston with those two defensive ends that they have, you know,

991
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: I mean you're always accounting for these defensive end is

992
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: that you know, Cleveland with Miles Garrett, and you know,

993
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: all these teams are going to have these you know,

994
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: Chris Jones in Kansas City, who's more of an interior guy,

995
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: but can line up anywhere on the on the on

996
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: the on the defensive line. So it's it's it's gonna

997
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 3: be let's let's pattern ourselves after what Seattle has done.

998
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 3: But you can't. That's one of the things that you

999
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: can't do is you can't go, oh, I want to

1000
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: be the Seattle defense. Well, no, there's only one Seattle defense.

1001
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: Or I want to be the Patriots. You know, there's

1002
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: only one Patriots defense. You know, your team may not

1003
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: have the same talent that Seattle has, or your your

1004
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: team may not have the same talent that New England has,

1005
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: or vice versa. Now, schematically, yeah, you can, you can

1006
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: pick and choose what you want to put in. But

1007
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: it's just something that teams are going to look at

1008
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: and go, wow, maybe we need to spend some time

1009
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: on the defensive side. But to me, I mean you

1010
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: have to. You have to invest in your offensive line.

1011
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: And I think, like you mentioned earlier, the Jets have

1012
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: done that, They're going to continue to do that. And

1013
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: and but again, look at look at what happened to

1014
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: Denver with bow knicks and he gets hurt in the postseason,

1015
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: and and who knows what would have happened in that

1016
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: in that you know AFC CHAM divisional round or that

1017
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 3: championship game, you know things like that. So the league

1018
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: is healthy, the league is in a in a good spot.

1019
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: The league is built for offense, it really is. But

1020
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 3: but what do they say, Defenses win championships. So the

1021
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: kudos to Seattle and Mike McDonald and those guys, and

1022
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: they did they did a great job doing that. But

1023
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 3: you gotta be able to score points. You gotta be

1024
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: able to score points in the league to really win games.

1025
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be fun watching this thing unfold because

1026
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: the Jets do have pieces here. We're gonna have to

1027
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: see what their plan is at the quarterback position with

1028
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: their new offensive cord in our Frank Reig Nowell quarterback coach,

1029
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: and Bill Busk, Bill Musgrave. But like you mentioned, like

1030
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: we talked about multiple times here that they're really excited

1031
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: about their young pieces up front as far as that

1032
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: offensive line is concerned, and that's where.

1033
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: It all starts.

1034
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: So uh, interesting to see how Frank and the rest

1035
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: of the staff go about the quarterback position, but he

1036
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: is quite experienced. And uh, he's back back in a

1037
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: different shade of green, Doug.

1038
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: But I know you'll be rooting for him.

1039
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: I am. I'm pulling for him, and pulling for the

1040
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: Jets obviously, and and Eric Aeron Glenn's a good friend

1041
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: of mine too, and and pulling for him and wish him,

1042
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: wish him all the all the best. But he's got

1043
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 3: a good one and Frank, that's for sure.

1044
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Rum, thank you.

1045
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: M h m m hmm.