WEBVTT - Samuel Hartlib and the Hartlib Circle

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. So the Heartlib circle

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<v Speaker 1>came up in research recently, and I put it right

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<v Speaker 1>on my list because it is this very unique nexus

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<v Speaker 1>of scientific and philosophical thought in the seventeenth century right

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate. We got to make a note

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<v Speaker 1>on name pronunciation because we're having a lot of these lately.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this person, Samuel Hartlib, who will talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some more a whole lot today, originally was born in Prussia.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is from the German side of his family,

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<v Speaker 1>his father's side of the family, which would lead one

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<v Speaker 1>to say Heartlib. And it's spelled a million different ways

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at various historical documents. But because he

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<v Speaker 1>did most of his work in Britain and most of

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<v Speaker 1>the writing about him has been in Britain, most scholars

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<v Speaker 1>about him pronounced it Heartlib, and so we're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to roll with that, recognizing that he too. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where he landed, if he had a preference or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect probably his contemporaries also pronounced it that way

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<v Speaker 1>once he was living in London. The name Samuel Hartlib

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<v Speaker 1>probably does not exactly spring to mind when people are

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about influential figures of the seventeenth century. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was very connected to a lot of the names you

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<v Speaker 1>would think of, and he served as this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>conduitive information to many of them and made connections among

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<v Speaker 1>them as he sought to promote his own ideas regarding

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<v Speaker 1>theology and education, which he saw as being very closely

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<v Speaker 1>tied to government and successful government, as well as this

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<v Speaker 1>really overarching goal in his life to provide ready access

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<v Speaker 1>to information to anyone and everyone about like the latest

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<v Speaker 1>scientific developments. You'll see references to the Heartlib circle in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of writing about these people. Heartlib never called

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<v Speaker 1>his network of people that he corresponded with anything. That

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<v Speaker 1>name Heartlib Circle wasn't coined until the twentieth century, and

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<v Speaker 1>that happened then because there was a surge of scholarship

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<v Speaker 1>about his work in the nineteen twenties and thereafter after

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<v Speaker 1>a fortuitous turn of events brought his life's work back

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<v Speaker 1>to light. Samuel Hartlib was born around sixteen hundred, probably

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<v Speaker 1>in Elbing, Prussia, to a German father and an English mother,

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<v Speaker 1>so Elbing is part of modern day Poland, and in

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<v Speaker 1>Polish it's pronounced very differently from that, more like Elblong.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the many cases we've had on the

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<v Speaker 1>show recently where this early life is not well documented.

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<v Speaker 1>In a biography written by gh Turnbull in nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the biographer notes that there's no record of Heartlib in

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<v Speaker 1>the birth records from Elbeing at the time, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are also not any records in the baptismal records from

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<v Speaker 1>the churches of the city. He doesn't appear in any

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<v Speaker 1>of the school records of Elbing from the time when

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<v Speaker 1>he would have been a child, so there are just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of question marks about his early life and education.

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<v Speaker 1>There are mentions of a George Hartlib who is believed

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<v Speaker 1>to have been Samuel's brother. Even Samuel's higher education comes

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of debate. He has long been cited

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<v Speaker 1>as attending the University of Cunningsburg starting in sixteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are once again no solid records to really

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<v Speaker 1>back that up. A more recent biography by Charles Webster,

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<v Speaker 1>which came out in twenty twenty five, says that there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually more substantiation that Samuel was in Silesia and enrolled

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<v Speaker 1>at the Academy at Briggs starting in sixteen five fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>When did he leave there another unanswered question. We do

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<v Speaker 1>know that hartleb went to the University of Cambridge, but

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<v Speaker 1>that two has inconsistencies regarding the timing. Sixteen twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>is frequently given as the first year that we can

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<v Speaker 1>conclusively say he was living in England, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>latter twentieth century additional correspondence has come to light that

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<v Speaker 1>indicates that he was definitely there before that, in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid sixteen twenties. And even in saying he went to Cambridge,

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<v Speaker 1>we really have to clarify because he does not appear

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<v Speaker 1>to have actually enrolled in the university, but did study

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<v Speaker 1>informally with some members of its faculty, and even after

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<v Speaker 1>that he returned to Elbing after his time at Cambridge,

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<v Speaker 1>So that whole like right up to the late sixteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>so much guesswork going on regarding his background. It's very foggy. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>he became friends with John in sixteen twenty eight. Durry

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<v Speaker 1>was born in fifteen ninety six in Edinbargh, Scotland, so

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<v Speaker 1>he was around the same age as Heartland. Durry was

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<v Speaker 1>a Protestant minister and was in Elbing in sixteen twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two men met there soon after that this,

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<v Speaker 1>a series of interlocking conflicts known as the Thirty Years War,

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<v Speaker 1>which spanned from sixteen eighteen to sixteen forty eight, made

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<v Speaker 1>Elbing an increasingly more dangerous place to be. Sweden was

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<v Speaker 1>using this port city as a base and a staging

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<v Speaker 1>ground in the struggle for the control of the Baltic Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>So Heartland went to England, and this time he stayed there.

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<v Speaker 1>Durry did as well for a time, and the two

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<v Speaker 1>of them continued to be close friends. On January twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen twenty nine, Samuel married a woman named Mary Birmingham.

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<v Speaker 1>Some accounts show her last name with an M like Birmingham.

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<v Speaker 1>Unclear to me which of those is accurate. We also

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know a whole lot about Mary, although the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them were married for years and they had

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<v Speaker 1>at least six children together. Most of what we know

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<v Speaker 1>about their kids is because later in their lives they

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<v Speaker 1>lived near samuel peeps and he wrote about them. Heartlib

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<v Speaker 1>was an active promoter of the need for reform within

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<v Speaker 1>schools and Protestant churches. John Durry was his friend, but

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<v Speaker 1>also one of his influences and ultimately a collaborator on

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<v Speaker 1>many reformist texts. Derry sought to reform the church by

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<v Speaker 1>uniting the fractured Protestant factions. Heartlib agreed with this idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put forth the idea that if the church

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<v Speaker 1>could be united in England, then the whole country would benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is also where a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>confession has to come in for me. I wanted so

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<v Speaker 1>much to include lots of Heartlib's writings in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but let me tell you that is a slog He

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<v Speaker 1>was deeply verbose, and in addition to the somewhat stilted

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<v Speaker 1>writing of the day that you might see in any text,

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<v Speaker 1>he was even more stilted than that. As an example,

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<v Speaker 1>here is a portion of a pamphlet that he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in sixteen forty seven titled Considerations tending to the Happy Accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 1>So the point of this work is to make the

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<v Speaker 1>case that if England can reform its religion, everyone will benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>As Tracy just mentioned, this is the most easily accessible

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<v Speaker 1>passage in terms of messaging that I could find quote,

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<v Speaker 1>and least any might make a doubt of this last position,

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<v Speaker 1>let us a little enlarge ourselves thereon, to make it

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<v Speaker 1>more apparent from the undoubted maxims and reasons of a

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<v Speaker 1>true reformed Christian state, such as we are now called

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<v Speaker 1>to be. If we take notice of our condition first,

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<v Speaker 1>then we conceive that the glory and happiness of a

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<v Speaker 1>state go hand in hand together, so that everything which

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<v Speaker 1>may add unto the true glory is also fit to

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<v Speaker 1>increase the happiness, a vice versa. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>whatsoever doth add unto the true happiness, is also fit

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<v Speaker 1>to increase the glory of a state. Basically, if we're

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<v Speaker 1>all happy, the whole country will be happy. But he

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<v Speaker 1>has to put a lot of extra words in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Hartlib also believed that education was vital for everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the efforts he made early on during

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<v Speaker 1>his time in England was the establishment of a school.

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<v Speaker 1>This attempt was in Chichester in sixteen thirty. Although that

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<v Speaker 1>school did not draw enough students to stay open, Heartlb

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<v Speaker 1>closed it almost immediately after founding it. It lasted for

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<v Speaker 1>less than a year. Not long after that, he started

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<v Speaker 1>a correspondence with John Amos Comenius, who became another huge influence.

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<v Speaker 1>For a little background, John Amos Comenius was born in Moravia,

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<v Speaker 1>in an area that is now part of the Czech Republic.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll often see him described as being Czech if you

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<v Speaker 1>look him up today. He was a minister and an educator,

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<v Speaker 1>and he developed an ideology that he thought could lead

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<v Speaker 1>to a deeper connection among the warring countries and cultures

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe, and that was universal education. Comenius thought that

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<v Speaker 1>if everyone was truly educated, they would understand and accept

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<v Speaker 1>their fellow humans better and would be less likely to

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<v Speaker 1>start conflicts with one another. One of the cornerstones of

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<v Speaker 1>this idea was that everyone should learn to read Latin.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought that this would improve access to a wide

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<v Speaker 1>range of historical information and open up the wealth of

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<v Speaker 1>Western knowledge to all to heartlive in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues, these ideas of educational access and a united

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<v Speaker 1>religion were two sides of the same coin. This was

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<v Speaker 1>at the heart of Hartleeb's thinking. He believed that God

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<v Speaker 1>granted every person a talent, and that if they shared

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<v Speaker 1>that talent with others, everyone would learn from one another.

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<v Speaker 1>They would all know more, They would understand each other better,

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<v Speaker 1>and people would recognize a divine fine hand in play

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<v Speaker 1>for all of that to happen. Teaching everyone to read

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<v Speaker 1>would also ensure that they could study the scriptures and

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<v Speaker 1>become better Christians. Coming up, we will talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>the influence of Comenius on Heartlib, and we will get

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<v Speaker 1>to that after a sponsor break. The writings of Comenius

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<v Speaker 1>were very important to Heartlib in his ideology Comenius is

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thirty two. Writing the Gait of Tongues Unlocked was

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<v Speaker 1>one of many that really captured Heartlib's attention and formed

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation of his thinking regarding education. He started translating

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<v Speaker 1>the writing of Comenius for the English audience, and this

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<v Speaker 1>offers another opportunity to share his proclivity for using just

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<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of words. The title for this translation

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<v Speaker 1>of Comenius, as one of his many writings, was a

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<v Speaker 1>Reformation of Schools, designed in two excellent treatises, The first

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<v Speaker 1>whereof summarily showeth the great necessity of a general reformation

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<v Speaker 1>of common learning? What grounds of hope there are for

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<v Speaker 1>such a reformation? How it may be brought to pass?

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<v Speaker 1>Written many years ago in Latin by the reverend godly

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<v Speaker 1>learned and famous divine mister John Amos Comenius, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the seniors of the exiled Church of Moravia, and now

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<v Speaker 1>upon the request of many, translated into English and published

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<v Speaker 1>by Samuel Hartlib for the general good of this nation.

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<v Speaker 1>So brevity was not his strong sush we love a

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<v Speaker 1>long title on this, but I was reading many of

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<v Speaker 1>his titles, I was like, oh, oh, my friend, goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>But that relationship that he developed with Comenius really established

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<v Speaker 1>Heartlib as a connecting point of European intellectuals. Comenius actually

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<v Speaker 1>visited England in sixteen forty one on the invitation of Heartlib,

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<v Speaker 1>and he stayed there for several months, meeting with many

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<v Speaker 1>of London's preeminent thinkers and scientists. Heartlib was associated with

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<v Speaker 1>so many other famous names of the seventeenth century in

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<v Speaker 1>the Western world. I don't think Holly mentioned in the outline,

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<v Speaker 1>but he came up in our John Evelyn episode like

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<v Speaker 1>somebody had given him a paper and he gave that

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<v Speaker 1>to John Evelin was another example. John Milton's pamphlet of

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<v Speaker 1>Education was dedicated to Heartlib, and that's because the Reformer

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<v Speaker 1>had convinced Milton to write it. The entire thing is

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<v Speaker 1>addressed to Heartlib. It opens with quote, mister Hartlib, I

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<v Speaker 1>am long since persuaded that to say or do ought

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<v Speaker 1>worth memory and imitation, no purpose or respect should sooner

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<v Speaker 1>move us than simply the love of God and of mankind. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>to write now the reforming of education, though it be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest and noblest designs that can be

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<v Speaker 1>thought on, and for the want whereof this nation perishes,

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<v Speaker 1>I had not yet at this time been induced, but

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<v Speaker 1>by your earnest entreaties and serious conjurements. Milton goes on

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<v Speaker 1>to share there at the beginning of the book that

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<v Speaker 1>Hartley is somebody who deeply respects and at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time could be said of quote men of most approved

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom and some of highest authority among us. Yeah, basically

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, like all of us smart guys think Hertleib

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<v Speaker 1>is great. But despite the numerous people that Hartlib was

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<v Speaker 1>connected to and the network of correspondence he developed, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the friendships Heartlib had with John Durry and Comenius

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<v Speaker 1>that were the most important to him. On March thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen forty two, the three men signed a pact written

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<v Speaker 1>in Latin that outlined their shared goals for promoting reform

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<v Speaker 1>and education and religious unity. And the document is really

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating because, in addition to those goals, it also has

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<v Speaker 1>this very cute vibe, in my opinion, of we will

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<v Speaker 1>BFFs forever, and this is our secret. We are going

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<v Speaker 1>to read only the most abbreviated versions of the points

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<v Speaker 1>of the pact, and they are as follows. Number One,

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<v Speaker 1>that we shall have before us the sole aim of

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<v Speaker 1>manifesting God's glory and of promoting public support for our

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<v Speaker 1>fellow men. Two, so that with God in his goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>we may pursue this end, We set ourselves the task

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<v Speaker 1>of recalling to a better and fuller accord in their

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<v Speaker 1>profession of religion, those who have already been called to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge Christ. Three to the end that we may have

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<v Speaker 1>God's favor toward us. In this our purpose, we shall

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<v Speaker 1>strive in daily prayers before Him, in turn, both for

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves and for all those others wheresoever they may be, who,

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<v Speaker 1>whether we are aware of them or not, are now

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<v Speaker 1>stirred by God to like endeavors, or will be stirred hereafter.

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<v Speaker 1>Or we meanwhile promise one another that in these matters

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<v Speaker 1>we shall do nothing except it be by mutual design

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<v Speaker 1>and consent. Five. We promise that no one of us

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<v Speaker 1>will conceal from the other any of his thoughts, even

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<v Speaker 1>his innermost thoughts, which have to do with this proposed goal. Six,

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<v Speaker 1>That no one of us will take an inflexible stand

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<v Speaker 1>against the purposes agreed among the others, but will rather

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<v Speaker 1>yield to them, even if he may not perhaps be

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<v Speaker 1>able to perceive fully the strength and weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that are put forward. Seven, we promise that we

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<v Speaker 1>will preserve complete faithfulness in our dealings with one another. Eight.

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<v Speaker 1>We also take it upon ourselves to freely admonish one another,

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<v Speaker 1>but as between close friends, for any errors that may

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<v Speaker 1>be committed out of human ignorance. Nine it has seemed proper,

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<v Speaker 1>and we faithfully so promise not to divulge to others

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<v Speaker 1>these conditions of our pact entered into in the side

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<v Speaker 1>of God, chiefly for our conscience's sake, unless by common consent,

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<v Speaker 1>and then to those alone of whose suitability for future

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<v Speaker 1>association in our treaty we are assured. Ten. Finally, if

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<v Speaker 1>anything further is discerned by common accord as likely to

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<v Speaker 1>benefit this our religious fellowship in God. It must be

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<v Speaker 1>subscribed to. These conditions of this are packed and will

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<v Speaker 1>be equal to them in force. So they struck this

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<v Speaker 1>pact just as the conflict between parliamentarians and the Crown

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<v Speaker 1>in England was reaching a boiling point. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the English Civil War and its causes in a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other episodes, so we won't go into depth here.

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<v Speaker 1>But the shorthand is that Charles the first, with no

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<v Speaker 1>checks within the government that could stop him, enacted a

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<v Speaker 1>number of policies that were damaging for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his subjects that made him really disliked. That included dissolving

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<v Speaker 1>the parliament. He re stated it when he needed help

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of financial backing for his war with

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<v Speaker 1>the Scots. Parliament began to use its reinstated power immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>including prosecuting members at the King's Circle. Five months and

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks after Heartlib, Durry, and Commenius signed their pack,

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<v Speaker 1>the English Civil War began. Heartlib and his friends were parliamentarians.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Durry stayed in the country, but Comenius left. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>the pact remained very important to the three men, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it is cited as a guiding force in Heartlib's life. Yeah. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>just for clarity, Durry didn't stay in England all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>He is sometimes described as being sort of itinerant. He

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<v Speaker 1>moved around Europe a lot, so just in case shelike,

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<v Speaker 1>did he live there the whole time? No. But in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to his translation work and his prodigious correspondence was

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly everyone, Heartlib also wrote original works. Many of these

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<v Speaker 1>works were influenced by by other reformers and thinkers of

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<v Speaker 1>the day. For example, Francis Bacon is often cited when

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<v Speaker 1>scholars mentioned Heartlib's seventeen page pamphlet An Essay for Advancement

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<v Speaker 1>of Husbandry Learning, or Propositions for the erecting a College

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<v Speaker 1>of Husbandry, and in order therein too for the taking

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<v Speaker 1>in of pupils or apprentices, and also friends or fellows

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<v Speaker 1>of the same college or society. He published that in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen fifty one. In it, he laid out the need

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<v Speaker 1>for agricultural education that offered a continuous stream of the

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<v Speaker 1>latest information and advancements in the field, so that farmers

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<v Speaker 1>could produce the best possible livestock and crops. Throughout all

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<v Speaker 1>of this work, Hertleib was connecting people to people and

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, people to information. He was supported throughout his

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<v Speaker 1>time in England by personal patronage, with people and families

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<v Speaker 1>paying him with some degree of regularity so he could

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<v Speaker 1>continue in his work, but he wanted to establish something

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<v Speaker 1>more official means to disseminate information that would not just

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<v Speaker 1>be him working alone, but would have a dedicated staff

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<v Speaker 1>sending out published materials and recording new information. This was

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<v Speaker 1>what he called the Office of Address. In sixteen forty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Heartlib published a pamphlet that was written either by him

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<v Speaker 1>or by John Durry. That comes up a lot when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the HEARTLB papers, where it's like either

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<v Speaker 1>Dirry or Heartlib because they've worked on things together sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>and their writing style developed in a very similar way.

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<v Speaker 1>But that paper was titled a further discovery of the

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<v Speaker 1>Office of Public Address for Accommodations, and this read in

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<v Speaker 1>part quote, whereby the good of the Kingdom and the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of all inhabitants thereof may be greatly advanced. There

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<v Speaker 1>is one very easy to be set afoot, which is

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<v Speaker 1>called an office of Address, whereby an orderly and effectual

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence and agency will be settled for the advancement of

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<v Speaker 1>universal learning, and all manner of arts in ingenuity, whereby

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<v Speaker 1>ready helps will be offered to supply the wants of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone without prejudice, unto any whereby all manner of commerce

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<v Speaker 1>will be mainly facilitated, and whereby everyone will be easily

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<v Speaker 1>accommodated with such things as may be lawfully used and

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<v Speaker 1>are usefully communicable unto everyone from each other in a

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<v Speaker 1>well ordered society or commonwealth, as it is more fully

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<v Speaker 1>specified and explained in the printed discourses that describe the

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<v Speaker 1>foreset office. Listen, This is one tiny part of a

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<v Speaker 1>very very verbose paper. Continuing, it is therefore most humbly

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<v Speaker 1>desired that the Parliament would be pleased to resolve upon

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<v Speaker 1>these following particulars as the matter of ordinance to be

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<v Speaker 1>passed by both houses. One that Samuel hartlib Esquire be

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<v Speaker 1>appointed Superintendent General of an offices of address Number one

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<v Speaker 1>indicates that there were additional points, and there were points

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<v Speaker 1>two through four. Asked that heartlib be paid two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pounds annually for this work, that he could charge users

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<v Speaker 1>a small fee to pay the wages of the clerks

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<v Speaker 1>and registers, and that quote a convenient great house be

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<v Speaker 1>set aside for Heartlib to establish this office. The rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the document goes over the particulars of how the

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<v Speaker 1>office would be run and emphasizes the great benefit this

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<v Speaker 1>would be to all. While the Office of Address was

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<v Speaker 1>never formally established, Heartlib was granted an annual pension of

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred pounds. That number is sometimes reported as two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred or even one hundred pounds, depending on the source,

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<v Speaker 1>But as biographer George Turnbull explained in the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>that payment was not really the portent of success that

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed to be. He wrote quote, Ultimately Parliament officially

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<v Speaker 1>recognized him and made arrangements for financial support, thereby raising

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<v Speaker 1>Heartlib's hopes of the near approach of the millennium to

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<v Speaker 1>the highest pitch, but they only flattered to The political

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere was too troubled to allow of the prosecution of

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<v Speaker 1>such magnanimous designs, and as has already been indicated, the

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<v Speaker 1>financial support promised was irregularly paid and finally ceased altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>So this annual payment was more like lip service to

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<v Speaker 1>Playkate Heartlib. They didn't even keep up with it. This

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<v Speaker 1>must have become a men'sly frustrating for Samuel Hartlib, as

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<v Speaker 1>he believed the Office of Address would be the culmination

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<v Speaker 1>of all of his life's work. It would enable him

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<v Speaker 1>to fully manifest his goal of education for all. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>already been doing this sort of work at his own

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<v Speaker 1>personal expense, and he knew that people found it valuable,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was simply not perceived as valuable enough for

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament to put money and resources behind it, Just the

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<v Speaker 1>same with the money he was awarded when it was

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<v Speaker 1>paid out. Heartlib did continue to expand his personal efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to sending materials and correspondents throughout his wide network of associates.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued to publish pamphlets offering information on a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of topics, although agricultural subjects were particularly frequent. We will

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some of Hartlib's other writing and the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of his connection to the Royal Society after we hear

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<v Speaker 1>from some of the sponsors that keep the show going.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the projects that Samuel Hartlib worked on for

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<v Speaker 1>decades was something he called ethe Verities. This was an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing record snippets really of information about interesting developments in

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<v Speaker 1>the realms of science and culture and things of note

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<v Speaker 1>that were related to advancements in human knowledge. It was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like Peep's diary, but it didn't include any

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<v Speaker 1>of Hartlib's own day to day doings unless it was

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<v Speaker 1>specifically about acquiring some of this information. He started writing

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<v Speaker 1>Femerites in sixteen thirty five, and it continued until sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine. For example, an entry from sixteen thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>reads Bortwit knows a countryman of his who is about

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<v Speaker 1>to make a collection out of English divinity books nb.

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<v Speaker 1>It will confer with Darius about it, as also about

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<v Speaker 1>his own work, which is a catechism of conscience. A

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen fifty note states, quote the twenty eighth of February,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Worsley sent me the receipt to be given to

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<v Speaker 1>mister Osmusingh concerning the spirit of Tartar, which he got

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<v Speaker 1>from mister Morion as a special present, who seriously affirmed

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<v Speaker 1>unto him that it cost five hundred guilders. Spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>Tartar was a reference to a distillate that was used

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<v Speaker 1>in alchemical experiments, probably why it was so pricey. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these entries from sixteen fifty five reads a

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<v Speaker 1>woman in England burning a smock one of her women

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors came bouncing at the door and entreated with all

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<v Speaker 1>entreaties that she might come in, which if she had

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<v Speaker 1>a obtained she would have killed. But not prevailing, she

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<v Speaker 1>went home and was found dead. This is a true

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<v Speaker 1>story related by doctor Mayerne to the King. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of entries in the f Marites in more

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<v Speaker 1>Tame Fair. In sixteen fifty four, Hartlib published True and

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<v Speaker 1>Ready Way to Learn the Latin Tongue, which was of

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<v Speaker 1>course part of his effort to make more religious texts

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<v Speaker 1>readable to a wider range of people. He published several

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<v Speaker 1>dozen pamphlets and various short books throughout his life. In

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty, the Restoration reshaped England's government, as Charles the

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<v Speaker 1>Second became king and the monarchy was re established. As

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<v Speaker 1>many of the decisions of the Long Parliament were rolled back.

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<v Speaker 1>Hartlib officially lost his annual pension. That was also the

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<v Speaker 1>same year that the Royal Society was founded, but Heartlib

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<v Speaker 1>was not invited to be a member, neither was John Durry.

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<v Speaker 1>There were eight fellows elected in the original sixteen sixty group,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was some crossover among them with Heartlib's unofficial circle.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have heard if you've done any reading about

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<v Speaker 1>the early years of the Royal Society of the Invisible College,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was another similar group to the Heartlib Circle,

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<v Speaker 1>which included men who shared information with one another through

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence and in person meetings. George Turnbull and other scholars

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<v Speaker 1>have written about this and just how much connection there

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<v Speaker 1>was between Heartlib and the founding fellows of the Royal Society.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of those men are certainly mentioned in his correspondence.

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<v Speaker 1>Irish chemist Robert Boyle, who came up recently in Our

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<v Speaker 1>Modern Inventions that Aren't Episode and who is on my

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<v Speaker 1>short list, wrote to Heartlib on more than one occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's evidence of direct connection with others who were

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<v Speaker 1>Founding Fellows and even Mormon who were invited to become

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<v Speaker 1>fellows later. There were clearly a number of them in

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<v Speaker 1>his correspondence network, and quite a few of them sent

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<v Speaker 1>information to him to be cataloged and shared, and in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases he consulted with them to get their take

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<v Speaker 1>on various scientific matters. In some cases, Samuel Hartlib also

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<v Speaker 1>acted as a sort of informational middleman, receiving information from

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<v Speaker 1>one of these men with instructions to give it only

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<v Speaker 1>to one specific person. Another one of these men who

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<v Speaker 1>became a fellow. He was clearly trusted and was considered

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<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable about all manner of subjects. So for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, the question arises, why then, was Heartlib not

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<v Speaker 1>included in the Royal Society. Turndall lays out some reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, Heartland may have been seen as a trusted

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<v Speaker 1>friend and a conveyor of information, but maybe not as

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<v Speaker 1>an equal quote Heartlib seems to have gone little further

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<v Speaker 1>with these men than to act as a receiver, seeker

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<v Speaker 1>and disseminator of information, including letters and writings about them

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<v Speaker 1>and them, and thereby to help them in their work.

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<v Speaker 1>Turnbull also cites several instances where people mentioned that Heartlib

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<v Speaker 1>appears to be very interested in the collection and dissemination

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<v Speaker 1>of their scientific writing, but not in the writing itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And in one case there's a letter to Hartlib from

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<v Speaker 1>German theologian Henry Oldenberg that states that, quote, you care

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<v Speaker 1>not much for the philosophical discourses of our clubs. So

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't directly involved in the activities of the group

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually became the Royal Society, although he was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>on friendly terms with its members. It also seems like

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<v Speaker 1>Hartlib himself was not all that interested in the Royal Society.

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<v Speaker 1>He saw it as a piece of a bigger vision

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<v Speaker 1>that he had of a democratized knowledge utopia. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about this idea of a utopia many times, and

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<v Speaker 1>the founding of a society like this seemed like, of course,

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>that's the next step to get to my utopia. Following

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<v Speaker 1>the loss of his occasional pension from Parliament, Hartley really

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>had a very difficult time financially. He had never really

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of money, and what he did have

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>he largely funneled into this universal Education project. Even before

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty, though, when that money was cut off, Hartlebb

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>was having a variety of health issues, including ulcers and

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>possibly kidney stones. His son in law, Amanding Claudius, was

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his doctor and worked to manage his various ailments, although

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like there really wasn't a lot of relief there.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>When he did get relief, it was quite temporary. In

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty he had some sort of attack that left

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>him with temporary limb paralysis, although he did recover. I

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>was reading various descriptions of it, and it didn't quite

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>sound like a stroke to me, although it could have been.

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<v Speaker 1>But that incident scared him a lot, and he became

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<v Speaker 1>constantly fearful that it was going to happen again and

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<v Speaker 1>that he would be what he called useless to make

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 1>things worse. He also had a number of significant life

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>stressers in the early sixteen sixties. His wife Mary died

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<v Speaker 1>in sixteen sixty. In sixteen sixty one, he had some

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of problem with the business associate that had been

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<v Speaker 1>storing his books and he lost all the remaining copies

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>of his book catalog. Then there was a fire at

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>his house. He blamed a young member of the house

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>staff for mishandling a stove for starting that fire. While

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the fire was caught before it could burn the house down,

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it did cause a lot of damage. Heartlib died on

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<v Speaker 1>March twelfth, sixteen sixty two, in his London home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is possible he had another one of those intense

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<v Speaker 1>events that caused some paralysis, may or may not have

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>been a stroke, etc. Were it not for a somewhat

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>wild series of events, Heartlib may have faded almost entirely

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<v Speaker 1>from history. His papers, which were extensive and included his

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<v Speaker 1>years and years of correspondence were purchased after his death

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<v Speaker 1>by a man named William Brereton, a member of the

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Royal Society, who took them to his family's estate. After

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>they were organized with the help even of some of

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Hertlb's associates. They were stored there at Brereton Hall, and

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>then everybody kind of forgot them. The Brereton estate stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in the family until eighteen seventeen, when it was sold

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to a merchant named John Howard, and then the house

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.239
<v Speaker 1>changed hands at least one more time, and possibly more

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>than that before George Turnbull, who we've referenced a couple times,

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>who wrote that nineteen twenty biography we mentioned earlier, was

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<v Speaker 1>contacted by a lawyer who said that he had a

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<v Speaker 1>huge stash of HEARTLB papers that had been brought to

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>him by the current owner of the property because they

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>had found them, did not want them, but thought they

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<v Speaker 1>might be useful. Turnbull, who was teaching at the University

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>of Sheffield at that time, and this, by the way,

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>happened after he had published his biography, had become the

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>or most Heartlib scholar that anybody could think of, so

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>he was the obvious recipient of these papers. And he

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>accepted them, and he brought them home where he worked

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>with them until the end of his life in the

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties, and at that point Turnbull's wife gave the

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>papers to the University of Sheffield. The school started a

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>digitization project with the collection in the nineteen nineties and

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>today the entirety of the heartlib papers is available online

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>for free. And it is through these papers that modern

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>historians have really learned and understood the true extent of

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Heartlib's influence and impact, and new analyzes of these connections

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>continue to be published today. As we said, that other

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>biography just came out months ago, and that biography is

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 1>also in the spirit of Heartlib, available for free online.

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Even though it's a nice book, it is in our

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>show notes, so to a look for it. It is

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>the one that is written by Charles Webster. It is

0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>going to be one of the last ones in our

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>show notes. Paid yeah, and you can go there's literally

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>on the publisher's page. It's like get book for free

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>and you just pop right there and get the whole

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>thing is PDF, nice, perfect, perfect. So if you want

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>to get the in depth, real real on Samuel Hartlin,

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>do it there. You go. You have some listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and this is how to title an email

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure I read it. Boys and Barry Murder. Yeah,

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>this is from our listener. I don't know if it's

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>pronounced Andrea or Andrea either who writes. I'm a high

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>school history teacher, so I just wanted to thank you

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 1>for the continual outlet to learn and grow. I am

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>very behind and just listen to the eponymous Fruits episode.

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Anaheim, California, very near Pearson Park

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that was mentioned as part of Rudy Boysen's development project

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>for the city. The park also has a cactus garden

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>named after him. We also have a boys in Park

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in Anaheim named after him as well. I currently live

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>in Fullerton, that was mentioned as the city mister Boyson

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>lived in. My house is over one hundred and ten

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 1>years old, which is ancient for the West Coast. When

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I moved in, there was a strange growth of boison

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>berries in my backyard. When you mentioned boison had berries

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>growing in a ditch in his yard, I immediately had

0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>an overwhelming feeling of guilt. What if my house was

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>mister Boyson's house. I felt guilt because I intentionally killed

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>those berries a few years back. They were riding my

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>last nerve and pricked me one too many times. Anyways,

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I may have murdered a historic plant, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>feel guilty until I'm able to find mister Boyson's exact

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>address to vindicate myself. I plan on doing some research

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in the City Library history room during my summer break.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I've had my PhD in stuff you missed a history class,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>but since having twins, I have been continually behind. Listen,

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 1>no shame in that game. I don't have twins and

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I can't keep up with anything. No uh, Andrea continues

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>only my second time emailing. In these frustrating times, I

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.720
<v Speaker 1>have appreciated the allusions to fred strations in politics because

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I have had to deactivate social media and stop listening

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to NPR as a form of self preservation. The positive

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>is I am catching up on your podcast much faster.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Attached are some pictures of pie from a three fourteen

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Pie Day celebration. The moon pie reminded me of George Maliez,

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and I just thought you would enjoy the Lichtenstein pie.

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>My pet tax is my dogs, Barack Obama and my

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>cane Corso mix Rosie the riveter German shepherd and Loki,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>my twelve year old black cat. Wishing you positive vibes

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>in these wild times. I can't remember and I did

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<v Speaker 1>not go back and look at my outline for that one,

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>but I think the original ditch got identified, so I

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>think you're probably safe because you would know, and those

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>original you know, the bois And farm that is still

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 1>producing boisonberries today has plants in some cases that are

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>from or directly related to those original plants. So I'm

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 1>here to you of your guilt. You're fine. You didn't

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>kill anything historical. The history grows on in many places. Also, man,

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Loki looks like my kind of cat, and Tracy's all black,

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>but the facial expression is the real cell that is

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a like yeah for real with the pictures kind of face.

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Your pups are so sweet. I want to kiss those snoots.

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>And I love pictures of pie for sure. The moonpie

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>is very beautiful and I love it. These are spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, thank you, thank you, because this is

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a very fun email to read. Thank you again for

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>being an educator. I feel like we cannot think educators

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<v Speaker 1>enough right now. Thank you for sharing your story and

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that I can banish your guilt. I hope.

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I had this vision in my head of like a

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>rosary meat out of boys and berry somebody else, but

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to anybody but me anyway, Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you about plants that may or may not be historical

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that you're worried you've killed somehow destroyed history again you haven't,

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:13.160
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0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and this one, of course included at Mistonhistory dot com.

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, that last openly available biography that was

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>written by a really well researched scholar just last year

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>is available online and it's the last entry in the

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