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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Colts Free Agent Preview Podcast. Look at

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Speaker 1: some key in house free agents this offseason. Now here's

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Colts, Matt Taylor from the India

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Speaker 1: at a Union construction industry radio studio.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed that's our location. Welcome back to the Free

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Speaker 2: Agent Preview Podcast, our series here on Colts dot com

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Speaker 2: the Colts Audio Network. Thanks for joining in once again.

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Speaker 2: I'm joining studio. Casey Valier, Bill Brooks form a wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: He's in the Ring of Honor. We've established that. Guys,

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Speaker 2: what's going on today? I know it's almost the weekend.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? It is almost the weekend?

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Speaker 1: Doing good?

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 2: Doing great in a great spot, although, like we talked about,

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Speaker 2: still trying to fill that void of no football, college

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Speaker 2: basketball kind of winding down Bill anytime. This's gonna sound

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Speaker 2: really weird, but this time of year in college basketball,

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Speaker 2: we always hear about the bubble and you know your

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Speaker 2: RPI and your strength of schedule and your kim pom

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Speaker 2: in palm. I was driving down the street the other day.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's almost college basketball tournament time. It's

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Speaker 2: almost March madness. When McDonald's brings back the shamrock shake. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the line of demarcation. That's how you know college

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Speaker 2: basketball season's almost over.

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Speaker 4: Patty's definitely bringing it back, bringing shake back a green shake.

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Speaker 2: And step inside my brain, Fellas. Yeah, don't try to

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Speaker 2: justify it.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm I don't try to justify. I'm shocked that

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Speaker 3: that's where your head goes. That's not at all where

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Speaker 3: mine goes.

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Speaker 2: But I even like shamrock shake either. I just saw

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Speaker 2: a sign. Well it's coming back, Saint Patty's day basketball

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Speaker 2: is winding down.

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Speaker 3: I would have never thought of that, and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: now that's gonna be stuck in my head.

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Speaker 2: Now, thank you are welcome. Well, let's try to try

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Speaker 2: to get to business here. How do you transition out

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Speaker 2: of that at all? This is our sixth free agency

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Speaker 2: preview that we've done so far. We focused on Michael Pittman,

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Speaker 2: Junior Gardner, Minchew, Zach Moss, Kenny Moore, and Grover's Stewart.

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Speaker 2: Now we're putting all eyes on safety Julian black And

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Speaker 2: before we get into the capsule of Julian Casey, where

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Speaker 2: do you have Blackman on your free agent pecking list?

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Speaker 2: Your priority list here for the Colts.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because I think we've all talked

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Speaker 3: about this list.

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Speaker 2: The Colts have a free agents.

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Speaker 3: It's probably one of the most you know, robust lists

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Speaker 3: that we can remember of recent past, and I think

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Speaker 3: in that light, it kind of puts Blackman a little

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Speaker 3: lower on that list, probably in large part due to

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Speaker 3: the position. And you know, as far as the bigger

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Speaker 3: So it's a hard it's hard one for me to

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Speaker 3: justify where he is on my list, but I think

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Speaker 3: he's a little lower and that's just because of what

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Speaker 4: That might be a little bit of position, but also

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Speaker 4: who the Colts have back there as well. You know,

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Speaker 4: you have some other guys back there that have played

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Speaker 4: the position, that have.

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Speaker 5: Been out there.

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Speaker 4: And you have a guy, young guy coming that you

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Speaker 4: drafted last year in the fifth round, Daniel Scott that is,

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Speaker 4: you know, he didn't play last year, so you want

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Speaker 4: to see what he has. So you have some people

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Speaker 4: back there. So I kind of agree with Casey. I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying he's real low or whatever high, but he's

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Speaker 4: not as high as maybe some of the other guys

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Speaker 4: we're talking about, of course, like Pittman and guys like that.

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Speaker 5: Of course going into the free agency period.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good, Well, let's talk about the capsule here.

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Speaker 2: Julian Blackman. I think, still all things considered one of

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Speaker 2: the top priorities for the Colts and free agency because

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Speaker 2: of his stability, the leadership, and the mentorship that he brings.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk all about that. But this past season, switched

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Speaker 2: full time to strong safety and recorded career highs four picks,

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Speaker 2: He had two fumble recoveries. He had eighty eight tackles

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Speaker 2: five tackles for loss. Again, all of those numbers career

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Speaker 2: shoulder injury late in the season Christmas Eve in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: Week sixteen ended his season. Prior to that, though he

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Speaker 2: played ninety nine point eight percent of the team's defensive snaps.

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Speaker 2: before he got banged up. Colts GM Chris Ballard said

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Speaker 2: So that's good news there, But again we don't have

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Speaker 2: any definitive word on that. But in four seasons, Blackman

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Speaker 2: has missed seventeen games and has yet to play a

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Speaker 2: we go on here as well. But picking up there, Bill,

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Speaker 2: how do you think black Men transitioned? How do you

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Speaker 2: think he switched from free safety to strong safety for

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Speaker 4: I thought you did a nice job switching there from

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Speaker 4: think you saw him out there. He was communicating with

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Speaker 4: get them situated and set up right. And you know,

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Speaker 4: even when Blackman was out during training camp, he showed

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Speaker 4: to me his leadership out there by just a lot

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Speaker 4: of times he was always talking to the young guys

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Speaker 4: So you know, he showed that leadership out there, and

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Speaker 4: you played well and I think did a nice job also,

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Speaker 4: I thought he did a nice job adjusting from free

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Speaker 3: No, I completely agree with that. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: and I think ultimately it was maybe his best season

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Speaker 3: that's not when you're gonna see that happen. But I

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Speaker 3: off what we all have. I mean, we've had numerous

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Speaker 3: when you look at it from that standpoint that he's

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Speaker 3: It made a lot of sense and I think he

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Speaker 3: had a best year here in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: You know, when I talk about Julian Blackman, this is

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Speaker 2: totally anecdotal. But you know this is this goes back

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Speaker 2: to the spring and the OTAs. It's not a training

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Speaker 2: watch practice, and I swear to you there's ninety guys

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Speaker 2: end of May, and there's only one guy that I

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Speaker 2: such a great communicator. He is. He's got a great

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Speaker 4: Well, he's so like I say, he's a good communicator

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Speaker 4: and his leadership style to me is like he wants

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Speaker 4: there when I'm out there playing, and he wants everyone

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Speaker 4: we need to do as a team. A good team

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Speaker 4: these things as a team to make this defense successful.

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Speaker 5: So I like his leadership.

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Speaker 4: Over the years, of course, he's grown in that leadership

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Speaker 4: And now I don't know if it's you know, having

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Speaker 4: he's someone that the young guys can look up to

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Speaker 4: and kind of emulate, you know, what they want to

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Speaker 4: not just communicating, but being a leader out there in

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Speaker 4: each and every time when you're in practice and make

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Speaker 4: sure you're focusing on things and take practice very seriously. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because it's going to translate into how you play out

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Speaker 3: He's a lot like Zaire Franklin in a way, like

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Speaker 3: if you've got the pads on. I mean, even if

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Speaker 3: you know, you talk about those practices, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: just wearing shit. He's coming to play. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I mean your offense, I'm defense. I'm coming at you

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Speaker 3: regardless if we're teammates. And I think it makes everybody better.

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Speaker 3: And that was one of the things that I always

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Speaker 3: one of those things where you know, typically you're going

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Speaker 3: He's not letting you do it just in going through

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Speaker 3: the motions. You got to come out there and bring it.

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Speaker 2: I think you're Zire Franklin comparison spot on, because he's

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Speaker 2: got an edge about him. Yeah right, He's going to

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Speaker 2: bring it. Every single component that goes into football, whether

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Speaker 2: that's lifting meetings, walkthroughs, practices, certainly the games. And he's

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Speaker 2: a great communicator, like we've established, but he's a great

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Speaker 2: trash talker as well. You know, he's all pro in

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Speaker 2: terms of trash talking. And I think that's healthy. You know,

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Speaker 2: whatever you have to do to get yourself to play

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Speaker 2: at a high level, you do that. You buy in

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Speaker 2: to that, and I think some guys brought into that

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Speaker 4: He wouldn't drive me crazy if I was a player

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Speaker 4: out there, he would drive me crazy trash talking all

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think in a healthy way though

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Speaker 2: for him, Yes.

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Speaker 5: I said, is how boay?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm saying as a player, as a as a

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Speaker 4: wide receiver, playing against someone like that, that would just

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Speaker 4: shy dude crazy, you know what, And it probably would work.

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Speaker 4: It might get me out of my game a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: right spots because ultimately, you know that's what's going to

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Speaker 3: to be very pivotal when you talk about both these guys,

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Speaker 3: because they both fit that bill very very well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's quite to be important because you know, you

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Speaker 4: both both of those guys, you don't have anyone back

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Speaker 4: through that can do that unless as someone that's played

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Speaker 4: get them more familiar and more comfortable in this system

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Speaker 4: and kind of help their development and their growth. So

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Speaker 4: it's gone mire stust and see that. You know, if

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Speaker 4: you lose both of those guys, what they're going to

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Speaker 4: do and what happens with this defense.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Bill Brooks right there, Casey Valier, I bet Julian

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Speaker 2: Blackman likes the Shamrock Shake, but he goes to the

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Speaker 2: you can kind of splurge a little bit, taking some

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Speaker 2: more calories. By the way, the Combine is next week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how about that? Huh wow, Casey, what are you looking

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Speaker 2: forward to?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: For me, the thing I love about the Combine is

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Speaker 3: we're doing interviews with all these people, but getting everybody

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Speaker 3: and all of that. I love just that networking, if

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Speaker 3: you will, part of the combine because ultimately, I don't

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Speaker 3: table is. We aren't in Lucas Oil watching the drills.

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Speaker 3: So for the most part, it's kind of just mingling

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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah. I like hearing the different viewpoints.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, when you guys are interviewing different people, I

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Speaker 4: could hear everyone's viewpoints on what they feel, you know

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Speaker 4: about the Coldes, what they feel about Indianapolis, but they

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Speaker 4: like to hear everyone's viewpoints and how they look at things.

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Speaker 4: and hopefully when I get a chance, hopefully I'll get

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Speaker 4: a chance to watch the receivers and see what they

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Speaker 4: do and how they work out.

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Speaker 2: This combine was your was your combine experience kind of

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Speaker 5: It was a blur and it was very stressful.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, very stressful, just because you know, you

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Speaker 4: gotta go out there and perform and get the medicals

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Speaker 4: and they look at you and they're pulling on you

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Speaker 5: Why is this bent? Why is this not pant?

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Speaker 4: And you know stuff like that. So that part was stressful.

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Speaker 4: And then going out there and actually performing the different

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Speaker 4: drills and things like that.

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Speaker 3: No, that's that's interesting. I would I would have loved

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Speaker 3: to have seen Bill Brooks's combine because I'm sure we

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Speaker 3: would have all been blown away like we were by

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, nothing, nothing, nothing to write

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Speaker 2: That's why it's still on YouTube.

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Speaker 4: That's right, anytime anywhere baby on demand.

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Speaker 2: Bill, it's twenty twenty four. Man is somewhere. It exists somewhere, right,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe no, they could not convert it from the six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I got a data tape in. We're good to go.

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Speaker 2: We're we're good, We're good. Hey, coming up. We got

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Speaker 2: more free agent profiles in the coming weeks. Rigaberto Sanchez

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Speaker 2: will dive in him at the early stages of next

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Speaker 2: week and then the week after next. Following the combine,

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Speaker 2: we'll dive into Tavan Brian Taekwon Lewis will also talk

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Speaker 2: about Jake Martin and Ronnie Harrison as well, and again

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Speaker 2: we've already talked about Pittman, Minshew Moss, Kenny Moore, Grover

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Speaker 2: Stewart and today the focus of course on Julian Blackman.

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Speaker 2: Check all of those out on demand on your schedule,

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Speaker 2: download your podcasts again. For Casey and Bill, I'm Matt Taylor.

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