1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Ron and Anien. She was talking today, what are you 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: gonna talk about today on the show, And I said, 3 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: g Mom, I kind of really haven't given it a 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts. She said, why don't you talk about 5 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: getting your car ready for winter? And I went, but mam, 6 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: we're still in the middle of summer. You know, summer's 7 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: just winding down. But you can never be too prepared 8 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: to say the same, say the Car Doctor. Two thousand 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: seven down General motors, trucks and SUVs all suffered from 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: steel lines. I definitely have my mechanic look those lines 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: over and be sure they're not rusting and splitting or 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: getting ready to split, because that's a very common, big 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: problem on GM product. Right now, welcome to the radio 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor. Since this 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. Tar Mechanics giving you a 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: garage doors are open, but I am here to take 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: your call at eight five five five six, and now 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: he running. Hey, welcome Ronini and the Car Doctor here 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: at your service at five zero nine nine zero zero. 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: Here to answer your question, solve your problems, whatever you've 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: got going on automotive wise, give me a call. Let's 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: talk about it. There's more information about this radio show 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: at Car Doctors Show dot com. You'll find an affiliate 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: list there. If you look over on the left side 27 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: of the page, you will see things such as links 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: to tune in dot com with an affiliate list, uh 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: I heeart dot com, iTunes dot com, both podcasters. You 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: can subscribe to The Car Doctor via either one of 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: those sites, I heart or iTunes dot com. You need 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: me during the week, This Car Doctor is on seven 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: ron at Car Doctors Show dot com. Received an email 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: and actually it was a topic at the shop. A 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: couple of people walked in, asked the questions and we 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: started getting into it, and then I received a couple 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: of emails. So I thought it would be timely to 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: have this conversation now because we're we're in the middle 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: of a gasolene issue and not a bad way. Obviously, 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: gas prices are getting cheaper around the country and um, 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: we're seeing a blood of oil on the market or 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: however they're however, the market is changing. I don't want 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: to say manipulated, but however, the market is changing. We're 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: definitely seeing a drop in gasoline prices, and a lot 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: of people are asking me, Hey, can I go to 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: this cheaper no name brand of gasoline or can I 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: stay with this cheaper, no name brand of gasolene. I've 48 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: been using it all this time and the car seems 49 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: to run well, and you know it's it's a valid question. 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: The other thing, the other question that comes up, and 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: another thing you have to be aware of, is this 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: time of year, we're getting ready for the summer to 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: winter blend change over. The refineries are being changed over, 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and we're gonna start to see the different blends of 55 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: fuel for the different seasons, and so that comes into play. 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make in my biggest concern 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: when I was answering this for everybody, is gasoline, next 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: to oil or is one of the two most important 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: things you can put into the vehicle. And the quality 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: of the fuel is very, very important if you want longevity. Now, 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: we see a lot of cases in the marketplace today 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: where manufacturers that went for longer than what I consider 63 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: normal oil drain intervals are now having consumption issues. Toyota, Honda, 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: Subaru out Evolkswagen. They've all got their problems, and those 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: are just a few. And it still comes down to 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: it's a piece of machinery and it's still needs some TLC, 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: and it still needs common sense, and it still needs 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: normal maintenance, and you may want to consider gasoline as 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: part of that maintenance. And when someone asked me the 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: other day, they were comparing brands and the conversation was 71 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: about Delta, Luke Oil, Exxon Mobile, Shell, Sonocco. You know 72 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: what would I use? Well, right now, I think the 73 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: best gasoline out there, and it has been for some 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: time time, is the stuff from Shell, the shell Vy 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Power Nitro premium gasoline. As a matter of fact, I 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: did the research on it because it's when you're running 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: a hot rod, and you know, we're talking about the 78 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: hot rod this week too, we're cruising. Um. Somebody said, 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: what kind of guess do you put in it? And 80 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: I said, it's pretty much living right now on Shelvy 81 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Power Premium because it's got better cleaning agents in it 82 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: and it helps keep down up to the harmful tank 83 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: deposits that are left behind on the intake valves. And 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: to me, that's an issue, especially on a car. That 85 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: high performance car that is doing some cruising stop and go, 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: gets parked at a car show, it sits, it sits 87 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: in the garage all week long, and that's important to me. 88 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: That becomes a problem. And the point I was trying 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: to make was that when you're dealing with gasoline, you 90 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: can't cut corners, especially now you've got no excuse. The 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: price of gases down to the point where I won't 92 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: say it's affordable, but um it sure's a whole lot 93 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: easier to swallo in terms of the daily budget. Good, good, gosh. 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: I filled up the little shop truck the other day 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: A costs the truck was on a remember when a 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: couple of months ago it was forty eight dollars, So 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: it's cut in half as far as I'm concerned. So, 98 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: to answer the question directly, the biggest concern I have 99 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: when you're dealing with gasoline is what additive what packages 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: are they putting into the fuel. Had breakfast this morning 101 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: with a local gasoline retailer, a friend of mine. John. 102 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: You've heard me talk about John from time to time. 103 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: He's a fuel retailer here in North Jersey, and we 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: had the conversation about this specifically, and he said, right now, 105 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: Shell has got the best editive package out there in 106 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: terms of what they're putting into all their grades of 107 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: gasoline to help prevent carbon deposits. And you get the 108 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: best carbon protection with their Shell v Power Nitro Premium gasoline. 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. You know, if you are 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: what you eat, your car is what it burns, and 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: right now, burning gasoline, the best bang for your buck 112 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: in terms of protection, longevity and vehicle reliability has to 113 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: be Shelvy Power Guest only hold on. Welcome Ron any 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor here at zero nine zero zero, 115 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Here to take your calls, answer your question, solve your problems. 116 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: Whatever you've got going on, this radio show exists for you. 117 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: This hour. We're going to giving away one gift card 118 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: courtesy of the folks that Advance Auto Parts, So we're 119 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: gonna be doing that at some point this hour, but 120 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: we are here to talk to you about your problems. 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Let's get over and do just that. Let's open the 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: garage doors. Talk to Alison online one calling from Putnam Valley, 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: New York. Allison, welcome, Welcome to the Car Doctor. I'm 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: very good. How can I help? Yes, um, I have 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: A two thousand seven Nisan Santra and I've had a 126 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: lot of issues over the past three weeks. And um, 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, it started out with just replacing of tube, um, 128 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: the vacuum tube and it then enginely comes on. Bring 129 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: it to the dealer, they say, they say it's a 130 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: camp censor cranks crank staff censor. Um. I'm sorry, I 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: forgot to mention. And this car was hard to start 132 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and it runs rough, right is it? Is it? So 133 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: this sort of is a combination of check engine light 134 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: running rough. Is it worse when it's cold than when 135 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: it's hot, Allison, Um was worse. It would it wouldn't 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: start when um, it would sit like over nice. And 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: then once the car started running, it was after about 138 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, so we start running, start to run rough. Um. 139 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Brought it to the dealer, you know again they said, 140 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, crank They changed the crank chef censor and 141 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: camp chef censor. Um. And then they said, oh there's 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: drunken engine. We recommend B G M O A that 143 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: will clean it up. Everything runs fine. The next day 144 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: I brought it, drove it to work the same dame 145 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: thing happened again. Brought it to another dealer. They say, okay, 146 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: Crank chef center, can I guess at the mileage on 147 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: this car? I'm sorry, it's I was gonna say, in 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: twenty miles, okay, um, And you know what I think 149 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: is wrong with this car. I think this car has 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: a bad head gasket. And I'll tell you why. I'll 151 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: tell you what's real common on centers. They go through 152 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: head gaskets right around the between one fifteen and one 153 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: forty miles. And what typically happens is you start it. 154 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes it will be a hard start cold, sometimes it 155 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: won't start. Sometimes it will run rough, and then when 156 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: it warms up it's okay, and then when it gets 157 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: real hot, it will start to miss again. Now how 158 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: they got from camp crank correlation into misfires, I'd have 159 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: to see what the actual codes were, and I don't 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to bog you down with that. But 161 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: what I'd like to do is give you a little 162 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: bit of power in your corner. And you know, we 163 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: want to go back to them and say listen from 164 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: from oh really? Then the second deal it took everything 165 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: apart and said, oh it's your timing change, said no, 166 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: thank you very much, I'll bring into my mechanic. Okay, 167 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: so he just recently replaced the timing chain everything, and 168 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: it's still not fixed. It starts but now still running 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: rough and plenty replace an ignition coil, you know. Now 170 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: it's back at the back at my mechanic. I don't 171 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: know what to do now. Okay, it will start now, 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: but it still won't run right, it'll it'll start, will 173 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: its start? Install or start and run rough? Does the 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: check engine light ever flash? Okay, so the car has 175 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: a misfire. Let's deal with what we've got. The car 176 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: has a misfire going on, all right, And what that 177 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: means is instead of hop skipping a jump, it's hop 178 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: skip skip skip skip hopping a jump, it's it stumbles 179 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: as it runs. Now, that can be ignition related, That 180 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: can be mechanically a fault. That could be a fuel 181 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: system fault. You know, it's hard to comment on everything 182 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: that's been done because it sounds like everybody's hands been 183 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: in the pot. So before we go any further and 184 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I give you an answer, my the biggest thing I 185 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: want to tell you is in the future, when somebody says, hey, 186 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: this is what's wrong with the car, the next sentence 187 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: for you and everybody else has to be, will that 188 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: solve my problem? Okay? Agreed? Because you know this is 189 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: like when you buy a house. When whenever we have 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: a conversation about buying a house, the next comment has 191 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: to be, you can sign anything you want, but it 192 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: has to be subject to attorney's review. Um, so you 193 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: know this will fix your car? Will this? This is 194 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: what your car needs? Will this fix my car? That's 195 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: the next question. All right, So do this, Allison, stay 196 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: on the line, stay put. Right we are. I've got 197 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: to pull over and take a pause. I want to 198 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: finish with you and get onto my other callers. I 199 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: don't want to rush this, but stay put and we'll 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: be back right to finish it up. I'm running any 201 00:10:51,000 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: of the car doctor, don't go away, welcome back. Why 202 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: don't they in the car doctor hammering it along this afternoon. 203 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Let's get back to Allison. Who's online one Puttnam Valley, 204 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: New York. Allison, you're still there. Listen. Here's here's the 205 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: way I think you got to approach this. Um. First 206 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: of all, wait and hear what the dealer has to say. 207 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday, whenever you get the phone call and 208 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the question when they say, hey, Allison, here's what's wrong 209 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: with the car. Your question to them is going to 210 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: be what right, okay? And if they say, well, no, 211 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, then we're gonna rethink this. Part of what 212 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: you said to me that bothers me is the dealership said, 213 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, use this b G motor fly. I think 214 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: you said that correct, and that's going to solve the 215 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: problem for you. And in my experience, most of the 216 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: flush is in a situation like this. Let's like trying 217 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: to put a band aid on a broken leg. What 218 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: I think is wrong with this car from my seat here, 219 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: unless this is ignition coil and let this just has 220 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: a plain old bed spark plug, bad coil problem something 221 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: like that. I think you've got a cphead gasket and 222 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: I want to prove that it is or is not. 223 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: So what I'd like your mechanic or the dealership to 224 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: do is to check for it, and I want them 225 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: to check for it cold. What I'd like somebody to 226 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: do is take the vehicle, put it in service bay, 227 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: take the radiator cap off. When the car is cold, 228 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: pressurize the system, put a pressure tester on it, and 229 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: they'll understand this. Basically, I want to put pressure on 230 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: the system with a pressure tester up to the rating 231 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: of the cap, which is typically eight p s I 232 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: and let the car sit. Let's sit a couple of hours, 233 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: let's sit overnight. Go to start it. If you start 234 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: it and right away it starts to miss and and 235 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: and stutter and flash the light, we've got a cold misfire. 236 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: Chances are we've got coolant in one of the cylinders. 237 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: So then then the next day come back, repeat it, 238 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: but don't start it. Pull the plugs out and look 239 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: inside the cylinder with either a board scope or a flashlight, 240 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: or just crank it over. Does coolant come out? If 241 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: it does, that's your problem. And it's got nothing to 242 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: do with timing, chain, cam, crank sensors and everything else 243 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: that they've sold you up to this point. But that 244 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: would be That would be the way I would approach this, 245 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: because centers are pretty bulletproof. They yeah, they'll go through 246 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: chains if they don't. If they aren't, you know, have 247 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: oil changes on a regular basis, but they usually come 248 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: up with cam correlation fault codes. Not necessarily misfire faults 249 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: sometimes miss, but not like you're describing it to me again, 250 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. But if this is a head gasket, 251 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: that is the one sure fire method, the one sure 252 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: fire they're gonna find it. Hey, Alison, I'll tell you what. 253 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: Stay on the line and talk to fast Harry. We're 254 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: gonna be sending you out the hundred dollar gift card 255 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: courtesy the folks that Advanced Auto Parts. Advanced Auto Ports 256 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: wants to remind you and all my listeners to replace 257 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: break hardware with every break job. Be sure to insist 258 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: on wherever quality brake hardware for certified fit and performance. 259 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: And you can find wherever break hardware at your local 260 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Advanced Auto Parts store. You can use the gift card 261 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: for anything at the Advanced Auto Parts store line. It 262 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: sounds like you might need some parts for this car 263 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: in the future, and that we want to try and 264 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: make your life a little bit easier for you. So 265 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: is that okay if we if we do that for 266 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: you today, I'm sure it is okay. Great. Listen you 267 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: uh you use that card well, Harry, please take good 268 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: care of Allison and uh do whatever you can for 269 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Let's get on over and talk to Walt online to 270 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Walter in Hawaii. How are you today, sir? Good? Good? Hout? 271 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: Oh not bad? What's going on? How's my little PT cruiser? Well, 272 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: it's confusing me. Uh. I had a no start, no 273 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: crank problem, which was fixed with a new agnisition UH 274 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,239 Speaker 1: switch not the key, the switch and a the actuator 275 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: pin after that fix that problem, But then my radio 276 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: would only work in with the key and the acceller 277 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: the UH A C C position, not in the run position. 278 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: I decided I changed the switch again with another never 279 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: ever works switch. That seemed to fix that, But now 280 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: I have no instrument cluster at all. It'll come back 281 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: on if I disconnect the battery for ten or fifteen minutes, 282 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: but it won't stay. It goes back off. But the 283 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: radio works fine. Now everything else works fine. Here's what 284 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: I want. Here's what I want you to do. Well, 285 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find a mechanic that has a 286 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: scan tool capable of talking to all the modules on 287 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: the car. Do you ever play You ever play telephone? 288 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: As a kid? You know, we sat in room with 289 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: seven people and you whisper one thing, and the one 290 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: guy's here, and the next person and the next person. 291 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: You went around in a circle and see what came 292 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: out the other way? Yeah, okay, Chrysler's like a lot 293 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: of cars of this generation. Everybody talks on a US. 294 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Everybody talks on the same data feed, and if somebody 295 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: talks out of turn, it confuses everybody else. You know, 296 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: sit in a room and trying to have an adult conversation, 297 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: and we're all gonna get to do this or right. 298 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: It's gonna be the holiday soon, we're gonna be sitting 299 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: around the fireplace talking with relatives and uh, you know, 300 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be, and we're gonna see who 301 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: oversteps everybody and who can't be hurt and who gets 302 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: to be heard too much. It almost describes your scenario. 303 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: The reason that you disconnect the battery and the cluster 304 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: comes back to life. That's what you're saying, Walt, that 305 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: it's that it stops getting the garbage in, and it's 306 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: it returns back looking for normal information. Gotta remember most 307 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: of what you're looking at. It looks like a dashboard 308 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: to you, but it's really a computer. And when you 309 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: just when you disconnect the battery, you're rebooting it in 310 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: a sense. So if what I want someone to do 311 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: is I want someone with a scan tool I'll launch 312 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: will work. A launch CRP there two twenty nine will work, 313 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: and it will go out and look at the data 314 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: a bus and it will see which modules talking and 315 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: which one isn't. The first thing I want to do 316 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: is I want to see if we plug in, is 317 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: everybody talking? If there's fourteen modules on that car, Let 318 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: it go out and pull P O L L all 319 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: the modules. Is everybody there? Is everybody awake? Is everybody 320 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: trying to have a conversation? If they're supposed to be 321 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: fourteen on the line and there's only thirteen. Somebody's asleep? 322 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: Why are they asleep? Is it? You know? It's And 323 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: it's simple enough. At that point, we should have power, 324 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: we should have ground. If we've got power and ground, 325 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: the module doesn't wake up. We unpluged that particular module, 326 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: not the battery. Unplugged that particular module, will reboot it 327 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: and it comes back to life, and all of a 328 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: sudden we can talk to it, and we've probably got 329 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: a bad module, whatever that module is, and understand on 330 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: that particular car, depending upon how it's optioned out, the 331 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: power windows switch could be a module that could be 332 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: causing the problem. That's why it's so important to have 333 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: a scan tool that will let you look at everybody 334 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: on the data line or everybody on the bus and 335 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: who's talking and who's not. Does that make sense? Um? 336 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: And I know it's not the answer you're looking for. 337 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate the fact that you want to 338 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: fix this, but it's gotten to the point where I 339 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: think it's beyond what you can do short of just 340 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: slapping and throwing parts at it. So at the very least, 341 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: somebody in Hawaii's got to have a decent enough scan 342 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: tool to go and look and see who's on the bus, 343 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: who's talking, who's not, and you can kind of take 344 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: it from there. Try that, Walter. If that doesn't work, 345 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: shoot me another email. We'll talk again. Hey, coming up next, 346 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: got any questions about motor oil. I want to know 347 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: what it's really all about. Well, some changes coming on 348 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: and some of the improvements we're gonna flok with the 349 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: folks at Penn's Oil. Coming up next. I'm rominating in 350 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Don't go away. Hey, welcome back in 351 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. You know, oil is probably the most 352 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: talked about subject here on the Car Doctor, and we're 353 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: always discussing just what it takes to make a great 354 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: motor oil and just how important motor oil is to 355 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: your car. And it's timely this time of year, as 356 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: we're going into the fall and winter seasons and talking 357 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: about the abuses that an automobile puts up with. And 358 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: we thought we would bring to the table the folks 359 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: from Penn's Oil. Paul Bogers. He is the supervisor of 360 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: a team of chemist and engineers down there at Shell 361 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: Technology Center in Houston, and we're glad to have him 362 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: with us here on the Car Doctor to talk motor oil. Paul, 363 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir, Yeah, thank you so much. Um, 364 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. How long does it take 365 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: to develop and test new products? You know, you've come 366 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: out recently with Penn's Oil Ultra Platinum, Pennz Oil Platinum. 367 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: People look at that and they say it's just motor oil, 368 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, they walk past it on the supermarket shelf. 369 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: They don't appreciate what it is. What kind of effort 370 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: went into bringing that product the market. Yeah, so before 371 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: you decide what to put in that uh, that yellow 372 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: or the nice silvery bottle, A lot of work, a 373 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: lot of hard work is into that. So it's just 374 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: anywhere between eighteen months to about two years to really 375 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: go from the idea of the motor oil through to 376 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: something that's on the shelf and then involves lab tests, 377 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: you know. So we we call bench top tests, We 378 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: do rigg and engine tests, quite extensive amount of testing. 379 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: But we wouldn't put an oil on the shelf unless 380 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: we've got some real life experience. So we have a 381 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: number of taxi fleets and a number of law enforcement 382 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: fleets in which we test the oil, experimental oils and 383 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: clog up anywhere between half a million and a million 384 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: miles before we actually say the product. The product is 385 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: not ready to go on the show. And Paul, when 386 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: you when you make that oil, you you're making it 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: with specifications in mind, in the sense that the car 388 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: companies have come to you and said, here's what our 389 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: engines are, here's the parameters. Make something to make this work. Yeah, absolutely, 390 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: So that the one thing to always look out for 391 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: is what we call the API donut. So what is 392 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: on the bottle that tells you that it meets the 393 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: American Petroleum Institute standards, And those are heavily negotiated standards 394 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: between all of the automatic car manufacturers. It meets all 395 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: of the stringent requirements that they need to make their 396 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: engines work. Okay, now you're ready for this. This is 397 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: this is the tough question. This is really why I 398 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: brought you on today. There's been a great deal of conversation. 399 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: This has to be an ongoing all the time here 400 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: in the car doctor. I get it in the shop 401 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: all the time. Oil change intervals. What are pens oils guidelines? 402 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: How often? How some Yeah, really great question. Wrong and 403 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: we get this quite a bit as well. You know, 404 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: the short answer is follow euro e UM recommendations. Right. 405 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: They have designed the engine and the vehicle with with 406 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: a certain oil drain interval in mind. But you've got 407 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: to also consider that those oildering intervals are for typical operation. Right, 408 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: So you, as a driver probably have a better handle 409 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: on whether you're driving conditions are typical, whether there are 410 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: extreme weather conditions to consider, And if you think about 411 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the job that an oil has to do the side 412 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: reducing friction and preventing corrosion, and where there's a whole 413 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: lot of other functions, one of which is to carry 414 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: away any of the combustion byproducts that accumulate in the 415 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: engine and prevents the end the formation of sludge and 416 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: varnishes in the engine. So one of the few things 417 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: you can really do about that is is making sure 418 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: that you get your oilder in interval right to prevent 419 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: that from from accumulating in the engine. What about you know, 420 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: the conversation used to be that motor oil, conventional motor 421 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: oil starts with the base stock nine and then additives 422 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: and vitamins are putting it along the way. Is that 423 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: still a true statement today? And then the last part 424 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: of that question is those vitamins started deplete somewhere around 425 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: the three thousand thirty mile mark. By five thousand they're gone. 426 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: Is that still a fair statement, still a good rule 427 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: of thumb? Yeah, I think that's a that's a pretty 428 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: good way of looking at it. So, yeah, the key 429 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: building blocks is still you know, the base, doc and 430 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: I think we're very excited about one of are you 431 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: know innovations, and it's having a synthetic base made out 432 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: of nctural gas. So that's your your your heart and 433 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: soul as the motor oil. And then you're at you 434 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: call old envitamins, if you call them out of the 435 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: packages really have specific functions, but they do seat over time, 436 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: and seen from a whole lot of real life tests 437 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: that sometimes those outities are still in plenty supply even 438 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: that after five thousand miles in in uh in certain operations, 439 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: but that could be other cases where you know, those 440 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: those outitists to start losing their their to like. So 441 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: then replenishing your oil makes it makes a good us, 442 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: a good idea. And the hard part is you don't know. 443 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, if a car started out in California and 444 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: drove to New York at a steady speed at a 445 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: steady temperature fifty as a constant, never cooled down, the 446 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: oil would last longer. It's all highway miles. But when 447 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you're you know, stop and go traffic and extreme temperatures, 448 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: extreme cold, and all all the different parameters you can 449 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: operate an automobile on that changes that oil drain interval requirement, doesn't. 450 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: It absolutely spots on wrong. So there's uh, those extreme 451 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: temperatures either high temperatures where the engine is really kind 452 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: of boiling or you know, uh, you know, starting up 453 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: your engine at very low temperatures and cranking it over 454 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: the first time, where you know it's difficult for the 455 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: for the oil to get to all those surfaces that 456 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: need to be protected. Those are the times where you 457 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: know you have the most most likely impact of the 458 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: oil does not being able to protect your engine well enough. 459 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: When is good enough good enough? Paul? You know it's 460 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: been said as long as oil meets s a E. 461 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: Society of Automotive Engineer requirements for the vehicle, that's good enough. 462 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Is that true? Is that false? Wine? Yeah? We would 463 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: would You know that's the starting point, right that that 464 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: gets you to the starting line. So picking the right 465 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: visculsit degrade and is is really owning the starting point? 466 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: As I mentioned before, really looked for that API donut 467 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: on the bott all That means it at least meets 468 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: the minimum standards in the industry. But you know, for us, 469 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: that's kind of like the starting line. You want to 470 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: be able to go above and beyond what the minimum 471 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: standards are to really deliver outstanding protection for your for 472 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: your engine. Not not all motor oils are created equal, 473 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: well I would think not sure now now, as motor 474 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: oils are not created equal, you've you've kept the evolution 475 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: going at PENNS Oil. You know, we we see an 476 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: older fleet. So many cars now have a hundred and 477 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: fifty thousand miles is not uncommon. So now there's high 478 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: mile of oil and we get questions on this as well. 479 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: You you recently released Penn's oil Platinum for high mileage vehicles. 480 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: How's this different from the other high mile of oil. Yeah, 481 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: so it's a it's a really interesting it's one of 482 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: the fastest growing categories of photo oils that we sell. 483 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: And we looked at that kagon and saying, hey, there's 484 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: a gap there for a really high performance full since 485 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: fetic offer that also offers the other benefits to the 486 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: typical high mileage formulation would would offer. And and the 487 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: real crux of it is that you get all of 488 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: the benefits that you would get from the other Platinum 489 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: range products of the total protection. But the key aspect 490 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: is you've got less oil burnoff. Right, So the engine starts, 491 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, when the minelage accumulates, it starts leasing oil 492 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: either through small leaks in the you know, the rubber seals, 493 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: or it starts burning off the oil so lost through evaporation. Right. Um, 494 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: So the new platinum you know offering on high marriage 495 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: really is the best of both worlds with you know, 496 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: having an additive in there to prevent leaks, but also 497 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: has the lowest volatility loss of any oil in the country. Wow. 498 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: You know. And for those of you just tuning in, 499 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: we're talking to Paul Bogers. He is the general manager 500 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: of lubricants Technology for Penn's Oil Us. Paul, tell you what, 501 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: can you take a pause here? We're gonna have to 502 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: pull over and and and just take a couple of spots. 503 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: Can you just sit I'm running any in the car 504 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: doctor and we'll both be back right after this. Hey. Hey, 505 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: we're back Rondini and the car Doctor. I'm talking to 506 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Paul Bogers. He's the general manager lubricants Technology for Penns 507 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: Oil and we're having a conversation here about motor oils 508 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: and uh, the new products penns Oils got out there, 509 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: Pennzoil Platinum for high mileage, among other things. Paul, when 510 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: we pulled over and took the pause, Um, sometimes I 511 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: get questions about synthetic motor oil and the need to 512 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: go to high mileage. Is there a comparison theres or 513 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: a way that the listeners can look at that and 514 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: make a decision on what to use how Yeah, so, um, 515 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, typically we say high mileage, you know, start 516 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: anywhere from on the clock, But it really is what 517 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: is best for your for your vehicle. If you've got 518 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: a performance vehicle, you've been running that vehicle on full 519 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: synthetic motor oil from from the start of its life. 520 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's no reason to really switch away from that. 521 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: If you've got a vehicle where you're starting to consider 522 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: that change and you're a little bit worried you might 523 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: see a little puff of white smoke coming out of 524 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: the exhaust pipe occasionally, then a high mileage oil is 525 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: the better choice. And and that's a good rule of thumb. 526 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: And they can't get hurt in either case whichever they're doing. 527 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely so both oils would work fine across the life 528 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: of of an engine and life of the of a car. 529 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: But I'd say if you're if you're switching out to 530 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: from a conventional UH to a full synthetic you know 531 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: in a later part of the life of the vehicle, 532 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: the high mileage is definitely the best choice. I want 533 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: to talk real quickly before I let should go Paul 534 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: about pure plus technology. Pure plus technology converts pure natural 535 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: gas into the Pends Oil Platinum line of motor oils. 536 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: In the old days, which in auto repair could have 537 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: been last week. Um, you know it was. It was 538 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: there was a crude oil based stock, and now there's 539 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a natural gas based stock which creates pure plus technology. 540 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: What makes that so much better? And and talk a 541 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: little bit about the synthetic oil side of that as well. Yeah, 542 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: thanks so much. Wrong. I think the thing that really 543 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: excites us as scientists and engineers is that we can 544 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: actually build up the base doc from much smaller components. 545 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: So if you think about the traditional relate of refining 546 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: base oil, you start off with whatever mother nature has 547 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: given us in a big mix of all kinds of 548 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: different shapes and sizes of molecules, and you refine that 549 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: and you there's all kinds of processes to kind of, 550 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, get to a good based doc um, but 551 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: it's never gonna be what you really wanted to design 552 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: if you had the opportunity. So natural gas is the 553 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: smallest hydrocarbon molecule, as we say, and we actually build 554 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: up the base hold just the way we like it. 555 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: And from there, that's where that's where Pends Oil pure 556 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: plus technology came from. Correct exactly. So pure plus technology 557 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: is synthesized from not we then turn that into a 558 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: liquid um. So we turned it into a base all 559 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: and then we we blend in, you know, the very 560 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: best additives to combine with that base dox. What we 561 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: were looking for a scientists is what synergistic effects. So 562 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: synergistic means you know, you build, you put two things 563 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: together and the two are you know more than then 564 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: you know those components individually. So learning how to formulate 565 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: with synthetic oils is is a key part of that equation. 566 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, I always tell everybody, they say, what's a 567 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: good oil? And I say, you've got to look at 568 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: the company that engineers the oil and designs the oil. 569 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I say Penn's oil is the best. 570 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: And I think you've proven that here today, Paul. Where 571 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: where can the listeners go for more information? So definitely 572 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: you visit our side on pens oil dot com and 573 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: there's a whole rapive information there as well as the offers. 574 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: We've also trying to really put more educational material in there. 575 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: Sich we're interested in, you know, what makes up a 576 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: great motor oil and some of the botus sport activities 577 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: that were involved in. You could find a whole lot 578 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: of information on pencil dot com. Perfect. Hey, Paul, can 579 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: I ask you real quick what kind of car do 580 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: you drive? I drive it through the Prius and how 581 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: how often do you change the oil? Ever, and you're 582 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: using a synthetic I bet absolutely to platinum that goes 583 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: in it. I just wanted to see and I just 584 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: wanted to let the listeners here that, um, and I 585 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: didn't know the answer to that question before I asked 586 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: that I was taking a chance, but um, I had 587 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: a feeling that that's the way it was gonna be. 588 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: You're a car guy, Paul. I know you're a scientist, 589 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: but you're a car guy at heart, and I appreciate 590 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: what you do very very much. You have yourself a 591 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: good rest of the afternoon. Thanks for joining us today. 592 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: Thanks the real pleasure. You take good care. I'm run 593 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: any in the Car Doctor and we are back right 594 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: after this, back coming by. Hey, welcome back. When I'm 595 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: meeting in the Car Doctor, right zero. That's the phone number. 596 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: Give us a call. By the way, we're working on 597 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: next week's show, so give us a call during the 598 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: week if you've got a question, leave a message fast 599 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: Harry back between Wednesday and Friday and hook you up 600 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: and get you in queue. UM. A couple of things 601 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: in the news, couple of comments finishing up UM from 602 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: this week's show, last week's show. Last week we had 603 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: a call I believe it was Idaho or Iowa, the 604 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: gentleman with the Kia that wanted to take it into 605 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: the dealership and they were gonna under quote the car 606 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: and then it was eighty dollars. I got it as 607 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: eighty dollars per wheel to inspect the brakes. Might comment 608 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: to him, was I wanted to see the letter from Kia. 609 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: Could he email it to me? And he did, And 610 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: the letter from Kia talk specifically about undercoding and corrosion issues, 611 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: does not really mention anything about breaks per wheel anything 612 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: that he was referring to. And I've advised him accordingly 613 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: by email. Received an email from someone that listened to 614 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: the show and they said, gee, you know you've got 615 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: to stop trying to be politically correct. I think you 616 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: let the guy off easy. You should have just blasted 617 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: the dealer for the cheap undercoat that wouldn't work and 618 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: for the rip off of eighty dollars for break inspection. 619 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that was the point. I think the 620 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: point was, And you've always got to look at something 621 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: if you're gonna rebut it from the perspective of what 622 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: are the facts, what are we trying to accomplish, and 623 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: what are we really saying? All right, So whenever you 624 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: walk into your repair shop, dealership, independent, Chaine store, whatever, 625 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: why do I need this? Will this solve my problem? 626 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: And is this being affected on other cars as well? 627 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: Those are the thoughts that should be going through your mind. 628 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: So always understand that, and you can deal with anything, 629 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: whether it be trying to fix the car, the furnace, 630 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: the roof, anything you've got to deal with in life. 631 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: You've always got to have a diagnostic approach. Now for 632 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: the fun stuff. Anybody see the news this week. I 633 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: love this headline. Volkswagen, my favorite car company, could face 634 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: eighteen billion dollars and penalties from the e p A. 635 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: This offer Reuter's Business News. Volkswagon faces penalties up to 636 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: eighteen billion dollars after being accused of designing software for 637 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: diesel cars that deceive regulators measuring toxic commissions. The US 638 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: e p A said on Friday, put simply, as a 639 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: direct quote from Cynthia Guiles, who was an enforcement officer 640 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: at the e p A, put simply, these cars contain 641 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: software that turns off emission controls when driving normally and 642 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: turns them on when the car is undergoing an emissions test. 643 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: Folkswagon can face civil penalties of thirty seven thousand, five 644 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: hundred dollars for each vehicle not in compliance with federal 645 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: clean air rules. There are four hundred and eighty two 646 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: thousand four cylinder VW and Audie diesel cars SULT since 647 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: two thousand eight involved in the allegations. If each car 648 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: involved is found to be a non compliance, I want 649 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: to read this part twice. If each car involved is 650 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: found to be a non compliance, the penalty could be 651 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: eighteen billion. That's with a B dollars. The e p 652 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: A confirmed on the conference call they were on the 653 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: US Volkswagen spokesmoke and said the company is cooperating with 654 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: the investigation. Where aren't able to comment further at this time. Yeah, 655 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: no kidding. So once again, it's all about engineering. And 656 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get a ton of hate mail, 657 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: and you know what, I really don't care, all right, 658 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: it's like it is what it is. I keep saying 659 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: it over and over again. They build a heck of 660 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: an engine. They're tough to deal with, they're tough to 661 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: work on, and sometimes they over engineer them selves into 662 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: a corner. Here they go, and it's only gonna cost 663 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: them eighteen billion dollars to get out of that corner. 664 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: And you wonder if they will. I'm sure they'll barter 665 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: it down. Hey, hats off to the e p A 666 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: for doing their job and uh b w we all 667 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: know what it stands for, virtually worthless. I'm rounding in 668 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: the car. Doctor. It has been an absolute blast to 669 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: be with you these past two hours. We've had a 670 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: great time. I hope you got something out of it. 671 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: I know I did, and I look forward to next 672 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: week's show till then. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're placeless. 673 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: See U.