Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and know he Armstrong Andedty So
Speaker 2: pron is just indicted by a Branduri and Maryland. You
Speaker 2: have a reaction to that. I didn't know that, you
Speaker 2: tell me for the first time. But I think he's,
Speaker 2: you know, a bad person. I think he's a bad guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a bad guy, too bad.
Speaker 1: But that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: That's the way it goes, right, that's the way it goes. Well,
Speaker 2: I have you reviewed the case against him? No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: I haven't, But I just think he's a bad person.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, reacting to the news that his former National
Speaker 3: security advisor John Bolton had been indicted yesterday, mostly for
Speaker 3: having classified information that he mishandled and putting someone his
Speaker 3: book in that sort of thing. Before we hear a
Speaker 3: little more on this, this never ending race to the
Speaker 3: bottom that we've got going on in our politics, because
Speaker 3: this is like not even shocking really, whereas you go
Speaker 3: back a decade, it would have been amazing to indict
Speaker 3: a national security advisor on anything, let alone classified information
Speaker 3: or something but well, national Security Advisor, Ambassador to the UN,
Speaker 3: and a couple of other high positions, and a guy
Speaker 3: who's credentials as a rock ribbed American patriot or just unquestioned. Right,
Speaker 3: but we do have the whole everything is classified and
Speaker 3: everybody seems to treat it as classified stuff is not
Speaker 3: that big a deal until you get caught, and then
Speaker 3: the letter of the law is way different than the
Speaker 3: way people seem to act with their classified information. You know,
Speaker 3: see Hillary Clinton's email server. Kinds of different examples out there,
Speaker 3: Trump and Biden and everybody else. Everybody takes classified information home,
Speaker 3: puts it in the backseat of the car, stores it
Speaker 3: in the garage, puts it on uh you know.
Speaker 2: Group text calls or whatever. Right, but then when you
Speaker 2: need to hammer somebody, you can get them for the
Speaker 2: equivalent of going two miles per hour over the speed line, right, Exactly.
Speaker 2: The interesting one about Look, I'm not claiming, I'm not
Speaker 2: claiming with any authority that is the case here, but
Speaker 2: it's definitely that sort of environment.
Speaker 3: So you got the whole retribution thing going on. If
Speaker 3: that's what this is so comy. The FBI director is
Speaker 3: a scumbag liar creep. Still might be retribution that is
Speaker 3: not cool, but you know, at least there's some karma
Speaker 3: in there. Then you got the Letitia James woman. Nobody
Speaker 3: thinks that case would have ever been brought again if
Speaker 3: it weren't for Trump being pissed off. But she's getting
Speaker 3: a taste of her own medicine too. Bolton, all he
Speaker 3: did was bad mouth for the president. I think, yes,
Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah, so that seems like a slightly different category.
Speaker 3: But anyway, here's how CNN treated the story yesterday.
Speaker 4: Some of the things in these documents, those eighteen counts
Speaker 4: essentially correspond to individual pieces of information that would be
Speaker 4: top secret, classified or individual documents. Those eighteen counts reveal
Speaker 4: things like information about foreign leaders, intelligence of the US
Speaker 4: was collecting about foreign attacks. One was revealing intelligence where
Speaker 4: a foreign country was considering specific force against another country.
Speaker 2: So really high level stuff there.
Speaker 4: That the prosecutors say, John Bolton should have known that
Speaker 4: he shouldn't have kept even to himself on an unsecured place.
Speaker 2: What's your exasperation? A load of crap? That was She
Speaker 2: characterized several different things in ways that made them sound scary.
Speaker 2: How scary were they? How specific were they, what leaders?
Speaker 2: What was the time period involved? Was there any real
Speaker 2: or imagined the potential damage to the US national interest
Speaker 2: Because of those specific disclosures, it's all left You're vague
Speaker 2: and kind of exciting sounding. Well, that was a load
Speaker 2: of crap.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, every one of these classified cases
Speaker 3: ends up being this conversation of the that was classified,
Speaker 3: But what was it?
Speaker 2: And how big descriptions of foreign leaders? Ladimir Putin is
Speaker 2: taller than Benjamin Netanyahu is a description of foreign leaders.
Speaker 3: But so your argument that CNN's going out of their
Speaker 3: way to make Trump's case.
Speaker 2: No, just to make it sound exciting in top secret,
Speaker 2: I just that was that was nothing. They gave me nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been bothered by all these classified stories. I
Speaker 3: feel like, clearly we need to take a look at
Speaker 3: the way we classify information in one percent, But the
Speaker 3: CNN goes on.
Speaker 1: We've spoken to people who believe maybe there is more
Speaker 1: strength to this case than the ones we've seen against
Speaker 1: people like the former FBI director or the Attorney General
Speaker 1: for New York, given the emails and the information that
Speaker 1: they have their hands on.
Speaker 2: Now that I'm less exasperated by that one, that is
Speaker 2: entirely possible, although she mentioned a couple of very very
Speaker 2: different cases there. We'll just have to wait and see.
Speaker 2: But it's also worth remembering the left despises John Bolton.
Speaker 2: The only time they ever gave him anything other than
Speaker 2: you know, hatred was when in his book he said
Speaker 2: he didn't think Trump was very sharp, didn't think he
Speaker 2: was qualified to be president. And then he got on
Speaker 2: all the Sunday talk shows and treated like, you know,
Speaker 2: a wise veteran of the DC circuit. When they absolutely hated.
Speaker 3: Him when he was working in the Trump administration and
Speaker 3: before that for decades, they hated eah because he's pretty
Speaker 3: what's the term they always you, Neil connie. He kind
Speaker 3: of likes to get involved in other countries, attacking them
Speaker 3: and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Well, the left hated him well for that, and also
Speaker 2: because he's a patriot and believes in projecting American military power.
Speaker 2: So I want, I.
Speaker 3: Haven't heard this, so I was wondering what Jonathan Turley,
Speaker 3: he is the law professor from Georgetown, George Mason, whichever
Speaker 3: one it is, one of them fancy cologists and Washington.
Speaker 2: He's always on Fox, and this is what he said
Speaker 2: about the case.
Speaker 5: Two arguments will not work in that courtroom. One is
Speaker 5: that this is all old classified information. It doesn't matter
Speaker 5: if it's old or brand new. If it's still classified,
Speaker 5: you violate the statute. The other argument is that everyone
Speaker 5: does this, that as Abby said, everyone has diaries. Well,
Speaker 5: that's not going to fly either in that courtroom. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know he's going to try with just as Comy's
Speaker 5: going to try and James is going to try to
Speaker 5: bring up a vindictive prosecution claim and also a selective
Speaker 5: prosecution so both of those.
Speaker 2: Generally, courts do not go for those.
Speaker 5: If you have a viable criminal case that comes out
Speaker 5: of a grand jury, they tend not to want to
Speaker 5: look at motivations. This indictment looks pretty serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we got We got to figure out
Speaker 3: this whole classified information thing and come up with a
Speaker 3: category that actually means this would damage the country. And
Speaker 3: if you start playing fast and loose with that, you
Speaker 3: should be in trouble. But just the meeting, random notes
Speaker 3: from a meeting that wouldn't mean anything to anybody, but
Speaker 3: they're classified whatever. Yeah, and even they were classified, but
Speaker 3: now everybody knows it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons one of the many reasons I'm
Speaker 3: bothered by this whole thing. Is U I heard David
Speaker 3: Petraeus on a podcast yet today he was actually doing
Speaker 3: the Telegraph podcast that I listened to about the war
Speaker 3: in Ukraine. David Petraeus, he was the guy in charge
Speaker 3: of our entire war on terror in the Middle East
Speaker 3: for star General.
Speaker 2: He's brilliant.
Speaker 3: I was listening to him on there and thinking the
Speaker 3: fact that he got caught with classified information he was
Speaker 3: sharing with his mistress again one of these stories that
Speaker 3: technically was true. But did it do any damage to
Speaker 3: national security? I don't think that it did, and he
Speaker 3: can't be part of our government anymore.
Speaker 2: Is one of our most brilliant warriors out there. So
Speaker 2: here's the probable Bolton defense. It's not well, the stuff
Speaker 2: Turtley mentioned might be part of it, and he had
Speaker 2: it hidden his mustache. But that's a pretty good defense.
Speaker 2: That's no no, That is no no. What was I
Speaker 2: gonna say? Ah? And I don't know with certainty that
Speaker 2: there aren't countervailing facts that make this meaningless. Until you
Speaker 2: know the facts, you don't know the truth anyway, mister Bolton.
Speaker 2: Allegation is that Bolton wrote diary entries that included classified information,
Speaker 2: then transmitted those on eight occasions to Individual one and
Speaker 2: Individual two, who are his wife and daughter. Neither had
Speaker 2: clearance to handle classified material, although the indictment makes no
Speaker 2: claim that they did mishandle it in any way, They
Speaker 2: just read it and thought, oh, interesting. Mister Bolton is
Speaker 2: likely to claim that he had every right to keep
Speaker 2: a diary based on his memory to write a book
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter's NSC Advisors a big new Brazinski wrote extensive
Speaker 2: journal entries that informed his memoir back in the day.
Speaker 2: The indictment makes much of the fact that the information
Speaker 2: mister Bolton is accused of mishandling did not appear in
Speaker 2: his book after his draft was reviewed by the White House.
Speaker 2: But the review process exists to safeguard national secrets, and
Speaker 2: mister Bolton subjected himself to it. Prosecutors will have to
Speaker 2: prove mister Bolton knew his diary notes contained national secrets
Speaker 2: rather than being recollections that would be subject to review
Speaker 2: before becoming public. Who knew that those were two different things?
Speaker 2: And the prosecutors also make much of the detail that
Speaker 2: one of mister Bolton's accounts was hacked by Iran, but
Speaker 2: mister Bolton disclosed that to the FBI and worked closely
Speaker 2: with the bureaus that sought to counter the Iranian efforts
Speaker 2: Bob bah Bah. So he says, look, everything you're talking
Speaker 2: about was reviewed by the White House before my book
Speaker 2: was published, and I told the FBI the minute I've
Speaker 2: realized I was hacked, you know. And the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal editorial board says, this all stinks of what Joseph
Speaker 2: Stalin's head of Secret Police once said, You show me
Speaker 2: the man, and I'll show you the crime.
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Speaker 3: So the Iranian hack angle of this story of the
Speaker 3: John Bolton indictment from MSNBC this morning.
Speaker 6: The FBI is known about this for a long time,
Speaker 6: and that's true. This arose in the Biden administration, and
Speaker 6: but what seems to be the case is that they
Speaker 6: did not know the extent of what was in at
Speaker 6: least one of his email accounts until they discovered that
Speaker 6: Iran they discovered the material that Iran had hacked through
Speaker 6: a US intelligence penetration of Iran. That's according to my reporting.
Speaker 6: And that's one of the reasons this case is didn't
Speaker 6: go forward in the Biden administration is because officials were
Speaker 6: concerned about revealing that penetration. The Trump administration has made
Speaker 6: a different calculation. They're okay with revealing it. They've revealed
Speaker 6: it now to the Iranians. So whatever penetration they had
Speaker 6: is now shut down. That's how badly they wanted to
Speaker 6: prosecute John Bolton. And that's where you can ask questions
Speaker 6: about whether this case should have gone forward.
Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting, and you could make the argument either
Speaker 3: direction on that. Sometimes it's a good idea to keep
Speaker 3: it a secret that you've hacked into somebody. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: good to let them know that, hey we can, we
Speaker 3: can get in and listen to everything. We've seen, everything
Speaker 3: you've got.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, and I'm remember I'm reminded rather of
Speaker 2: another major hurdle in talking about cases like this is
Speaker 2: that they'll say, hey, this guy had highly classified information.
Speaker 2: That's dangerous. Oh yeah, really tell me about it. We
Speaker 2: can't because it's highly classified and dangerous. Just take our
Speaker 2: words for it.
Speaker 3: We've got our two hour retrospective on Ace Freeley, the
Speaker 3: guitar player from Kiss. Coming up will cover his entire life,
Speaker 3: his childhood, why the Less Paul to make up Everything,
Speaker 3: among other things on the way stay with us.
Speaker 7: His founding member and lead guitarist, Ace Freeley has died.
Speaker 7: His family says he passed away peacefully surrounded by family
Speaker 7: after a recent fall at home. Freely helped to form
Speaker 7: the iconic rock band Kiss back in the early seventies.
Speaker 7: He was a Grammy nominee and a Rock and Roll
Speaker 7: Hall of Famer. Ace Freely was just seventy four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gotta be pretty old to have actually lived through
Speaker 3: the heyday of Kiss. I am pretty old, so I did.
Speaker 3: I was never really a Kiss guy, but man, my
Speaker 3: friends were in grade school. Here's a little perspective that
Speaker 3: you were hinting at. After thirty years with the band,
Speaker 3: he left in two thousand and two, which was twenty
Speaker 3: three years ago, a quarter of century, and then came back,
Speaker 3: and then left again, and then whatever he did.
Speaker 2: So there's some kiss song. I always thought it was idiotic.
Speaker 2: As a kid, some of my friends were huge kiss fans.
Speaker 2: I was utterly contemptuous of them. He thought it was Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought, what this is stupid? So you don't want
Speaker 2: to rock and roll all night and party every day?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying. Not really, I need to
Speaker 2: take the weekends off. They don't call you doctor love.
Speaker 3: So there's surely there's some kiss song that My brother,
Speaker 3: who's a huge music fan, says he has got the
Speaker 3: greatest guitar one of his favorite all time guitar solos
Speaker 3: in it, which would be Ace Freely. But I don't
Speaker 3: remember which song it was. I got to check that
Speaker 3: out today because I don't remember being wowed by any
Speaker 3: kiss songs. Really, I had one more kissing one final note.
Speaker 2: I thought that because of teenage pretensions, not because it's
Speaker 2: necessarily true. If you enjoyed it, you enjoyed it, Good
Speaker 2: for you. Oh sure.
Speaker 3: But Hanson said that because our executive producer, Hanson lived
Speaker 3: in San Diego, very big chunk of his life, and
Speaker 3: as Freely lived there, and he said you'd see Ace
Speaker 3: Freely at the mall regularly like there is in the Nordstrom, which.
Speaker 2: Is kind of funny if you're of a certain age that.
Speaker 3: You know, the master of doom and the devil and
Speaker 3: corrupting children everything. There there is as an old man
Speaker 3: standing at Nordstrom, you know, looking for a new pair
Speaker 3: of comfortable pants.
Speaker 2: I thought he was working. He might have been working there. No, Michael, No,
Speaker 2: so wrong, so wrong. No, he was. He was a
Speaker 2: rock star back when rock stars made crazy money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: although certainly, as many an NBA and NFL player has proved,
Speaker 2: if you want to squander at all, you certainly can. Man.
Speaker 3: We talk about that a lot. But with string you
Speaker 3: make no money on your Your albums.
Speaker 2: Were like that.
Speaker 3: But back in the day Kissed they had to be
Speaker 3: crazy easy raking in the money at some point, partly
Speaker 3: because Gene Simmons their basis the dragon looking guy with
Speaker 3: the tongue and the blood and everything.
Speaker 2: It is absolute genius entrepreneur. And he was one of
Speaker 2: the first guys in rock music to say selling out,
Speaker 2: are you kidding? That's why I'm here. And in terms
Speaker 2: of merchandise, especially oh, they they taught Disney how to merchandise.
Speaker 3: And which is what's interesting about that. Is that the
Speaker 3: guy who would bite down on these red capsules to
Speaker 3: make it look like he had blood streaming out his
Speaker 3: mouth during Why is that appealing during a concert?
Speaker 2: Didn't drink at all or do drugs? And is just
Speaker 2: a businessman?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, a businessman wearing twelve inch high boots
Speaker 3: and skulls on his knees.
Speaker 2: Fasis exactly, yes, spitting fake blood at correct, it's correct,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 3: Sold like craze I would say, And I can I
Speaker 3: can remember its being so dangerous and everything for my
Speaker 3: friend customer.
Speaker 2: That's right, right, right right. Anyway, we don't have much time,
Speaker 2: do we I had a couple of notes on Barry
Speaker 2: Weiss's early days run in CBS News. One of the
Speaker 2: first ones, real quick, is that they were talking about
Speaker 2: the hostage deal and the hamasteel and the rest of
Speaker 2: it in Gaza and she proposed an idea round table
Speaker 2: panel with former Secretaries of State Hillary Clinton, Mike Pompeo
Speaker 2: and Anthony Blinken. Wow. And everybody's like, no, you can't
Speaker 2: book them, and we don't really do round table political discussions,
Speaker 2: can you imagine? And she said no, I'll make a
Speaker 2: couple of calls and by a couple of afternoons later,
Speaker 2: the three panelists initially agree to sit down for an
Speaker 2: interview hosted by Norah O'Donnell. Which is a brilliant IDEA
Speaker 2: second thing that I really really wanted to get to,
Speaker 2: back to the whole thing that Marxists. You know, we
Speaker 2: don't have time for this, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: rush my way through it, so I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: You can't make me. I'll give you a hint. Barry
Speaker 2: Weisse Lesbie, first LGB person to run network news like that,
Speaker 2: not a peep out of activists, not a peep Why
Speaker 2: because she's the wrong kind of lesbian. Excellent point. Armstrong
Speaker 2: and Getty.
Speaker 8: Regime change may or may not be on the table,
Speaker 8: but the President says, the US is at war with
Speaker 8: Venezuelan drug traffickers.
Speaker 3: We are certainly looking at land now because we've got
Speaker 3: to see very well under control.
Speaker 8: Just yesterday, the Pentagon launched another strike on an alleged
Speaker 8: drug boat off Venezuela's coast. This is the fifth such
Speaker 8: strike in recent weeks that have killed more than twenty
Speaker 8: suspected NARCO terrorists in international waters.
Speaker 2: The President, talking about the campaign against narco traffickers from Venezuela,
Speaker 2: narco terrorists, which is an important term for legal reasons,
Speaker 2: right indeed, and making it clear that we're looking at
Speaker 2: perhaps attacks on land as well as usual. As Trump,
Speaker 2: he left several words out of the sentence, so you
Speaker 2: have to kind of interpret it. Here's a little more
Speaker 2: of the latest from Martha rad At s ABC three.
Speaker 9: Nuclear capable B fifty two heavy bombers flew for hours
Speaker 9: in the Caribbean waters, less than ninety miles from Venezuela.
Speaker 9: The move comes in the midst of a major US
Speaker 9: military build up in the region of some ten thousand
Speaker 9: US troops, including Special Operations helicopters the kind used by
Speaker 9: Navy Seals and Delta Force now conducting exercises in the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: The US military has.
Speaker 9: Already launched at least five deadly air strikes on what
Speaker 9: the administration claims are boats operated by drug cartels.
Speaker 3: I'm not plugged into what the most maga of maga
Speaker 3: people want, really, but I gotta believe B fifty two's
Speaker 3: flying over Venezuela wasn't on anybody's list of things when
Speaker 3: Trump got elected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I too kind of have to guess at what
Speaker 2: the bulk of MAGA thinks. A bunch of different stuff. Usually, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's looking more and more like Trump is serious about
Speaker 2: regime change in Venezuela.
Speaker 3: That's the bottom line. B fifty two bombers capable of
Speaker 3: carrying nuclear weapons. I doubt we're gonna nuke Venezuela. That'd
Speaker 3: be a pretty earth shattering move.
Speaker 2: That would be controversial, Yeah, to say the least. And
Speaker 2: I'm scanning around various of my favorite thinkers, uh, trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on here. I will tell
Speaker 2: you this just asn't aside, then we can move on
Speaker 2: from it. But the blowing up the drug boats, which
Speaker 2: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have said, Hey,
Speaker 2: what's what's your justification again on that?
Speaker 3: Can you spell that out for us a little bit
Speaker 3: or how certain are you that these drug boats were
Speaker 3: taking were drug boats and they were headed to the
Speaker 3: United States. They could be fishermen, or they could be
Speaker 3: drug boats headed to a different country, and that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean we get to kill them. So yeah, it gets
Speaker 3: a little complicated.
Speaker 2: Oh, they can be drug boats going fishing. It's my
Speaker 2: day off of sporting drugs. I'm gonna see if I
Speaker 2: can land me at Tuna.
Speaker 3: I do enjoy a good halibit in between moving fentnyl.
Speaker 3: That's right, Well, this is interesting. Admiral Alvin Holsey of
Speaker 3: the United States, who runs Southern Command, which includes the Caribbean,
Speaker 3: is cutting his four year term short and retiring after
Speaker 3: basically one year on December the twelfth. And it does
Speaker 3: not take a military a jag officer to figure out
Speaker 3: what's going on here. This guy thinks we cannot justify this.
Speaker 3: This is not legally justified under the laws of the
Speaker 3: United States and the laws of war.
Speaker 2: I don't want any part of this. I'm out. Well,
Speaker 2: I have to see what the fallout is from that.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's a supposition on my part. But
Speaker 2: I'm told by sources close to sources that the guy's
Speaker 2: reputation is sterling as a patriot, no warrior.
Speaker 3: Well, since since a law you know, the MAGA thing
Speaker 3: at its root is well, it's right there in the
Speaker 3: It's called MAGA because it's an acronym. M AGA make
Speaker 3: America great again, with America first being the old idea,
Speaker 3: going back to the first term, can you put regime
Speaker 3: change in Venezuela neatly into America.
Speaker 2: First, I can actually I can uh, and I want
Speaker 2: to make that argument in a second. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you one more thing, just to kind of lay the groundwork. Uh.
Speaker 2: Venezuela is moving troops into position on the coast and
Speaker 2: mobilizing what Maduro the truck driver the Communists, the dictator asserts,
Speaker 2: is a millions strong militia. In a display of defiance,
Speaker 2: the strong Man's regime has cranked up its propaganda machine.
Speaker 2: On state television. Blah blah. Announcers are telling Venezuelans that
Speaker 2: the US is a rapacious Nazi like state that wants
Speaker 2: to dig its claws into the country's oil wealth, but
Speaker 2: that the Venezuelan military, the National Bold Bolivarian Armed Forces,
Speaker 2: are positioned to repel any invasion. Footage Jack has shown
Speaker 2: militia members men and women, often elderly plump Venezuelans, running
Speaker 2: obstacle courses, crawling under barbed wires, firing rifles. The Venezuelan
Speaker 2: armed forces, which military experts say on paper number about
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five thousand soldiers total, are shown
Speaker 2: marching around and moving ammunition boxes in and out of
Speaker 2: armored vehicles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm sure they have overstated their prowess
Speaker 3: in terms of their military resistance.
Speaker 2: But the people are ready for combat, ready for battle, Vaudmaduro.
Speaker 3: You know, the US Marines are gonna wipe the beach
Speaker 3: with whatever resistance they get. But I was listening to
Speaker 3: a podcast just the other day about when Great Britain
Speaker 3: needed to invade the Falkland Islands.
Speaker 2: You lose people.
Speaker 3: I don't remember how many, it was, dozens hundred to
Speaker 3: whatever's how's MAGA going to react to twenty five Marines
Speaker 3: dying as we take the beach there in Venezuela for
Speaker 3: regime change?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? So here's here's the basic argument. And it's funny.
Speaker 2: Even when I was in college being told that this
Speaker 2: sort of thing was ugly, I didn't buy it. Exactly.
Speaker 2: During the you know, the especially the post WW two
Speaker 2: era through you know, I don't know, the nineties, the
Speaker 2: US supported some fairly loathsome regimes in Central and South America,
Speaker 2: and that earned us a bunch of resentments on the quarters.
Speaker 3: The justification being we wanted a dictator that was friendly
Speaker 3: to us as opposed to communists.
Speaker 2: Usually that was my next sentence. Oh yeah, the reason
Speaker 2: you support a loathsome regime is that a more loathsome
Speaker 2: regime loyal to the Soviet Union is going to spread
Speaker 2: the tentacles of Soviet control throughout your neighborhood. And you
Speaker 2: can't have that. And if the only other alternative is
Speaker 2: a bolvar or whatever or was his face in Cuba,
Speaker 2: that that castro got rid of Simosa. Anyway, if that's
Speaker 2: your only choice, that's who you back. And it is
Speaker 2: ugly and terrible and terrible things are done. But you
Speaker 2: could make the argument in Venezuela. So you got Venezuela,
Speaker 2: which is if you don't know the geography, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's on the northeast end top of South America. It's
Speaker 2: a big, beautiful country with oil wealth and and you know,
Speaker 2: incredible real estate and the rest of it that's been
Speaker 2: taken over by force by a quasi communist goon who
Speaker 2: steals power and fakes elections, which is really kind of
Speaker 2: the Venezuelan people's business until it starts really affecting the
Speaker 2: United States in negative ways, and and the question becomes,
Speaker 2: and different people have different answers for this. If a
Speaker 2: quasi communist bus driver can take Venezuela by force. Why
Speaker 2: can't the superpower next door because it's not our country. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but if it reflects our interests, what's the point of
Speaker 2: being a superpower if you can't boot out the dictator
Speaker 2: and install a great, legitimate regime. That's the argument, of course.
Speaker 2: The counter argument is, yeah, you create a vacuum for
Speaker 2: power and then step in and you're gonna run the place,
Speaker 2: are you. You're gonna police the place, You're gonna take
Speaker 2: care of trendy Iragua and the rest of it. You know,
Speaker 2: Pandora's box is open. But the argument could be made
Speaker 2: Meduro must go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you boot out Maduro and then there are three
Speaker 3: years of civil war between rival factions that makes life
Speaker 3: pretty miserable.
Speaker 2: There could be you know, on the promising end, there
Speaker 2: is a robust and very legit democratic resistance to Maduro
Speaker 2: that just wants to run a pretty US style democracy.
Speaker 2: But you know, that sort of thing has been claimed
Speaker 2: more than once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're hoping in Iraq and a bunch
Speaker 3: of different places. I'm not necessarily against this, just I
Speaker 3: have a memory of a woman and I don't remember
Speaker 3: what country she was from. She's from one of your
Speaker 3: South American countries, Central American countries that we got involved
Speaker 3: with back in the day. She was young, so it
Speaker 3: had to be before her time. But anyway, she's standing
Speaker 3: in my kitchen. This was at a party in my house.
Speaker 3: That's how long ago it was. There was a party
Speaker 3: at my house. Trust me, it wasn't my idea, but
Speaker 3: this woman was screaming at me at the top of
Speaker 3: her lungs, so passionately angry because I'd said something about, well,
Speaker 3: you know, we were trying to keep the communists.
Speaker 2: Out or something like that, and it was just.
Speaker 3: Her view of it growing up with her parents telling
Speaker 3: her this, I suppose was we, you know, caused their
Speaker 3: country to be crappy by meddling in their elections.
Speaker 2: She might be right.
Speaker 3: She might be right, because things don't always turn out
Speaker 3: the way you want right, and sometimes the communist leaning
Speaker 3: people are just h'm the leftists, and the power strike,
Speaker 3: the foreign policy power structure in the US perceives that
Speaker 3: they would be likely to go for Soviet affiliation and influence,
Speaker 3: and so we got to be safe and keep them
Speaker 3: out of power, when really it would have been fine.
Speaker 2: They're just kind of left these and we should have
Speaker 2: left it alone.
Speaker 3: This stuff is hard, you know, when you're talking about
Speaker 3: south of the border countries during baseball season with the
Speaker 3: Dodgers in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: How can we not hear this?
Speaker 8: And who do you think is the richest person in
Speaker 8: Venezuela the daughter of Hugo Chops?
Speaker 2: Hello? Anyway? Oh and two? There you go. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes you stop and think, Ben, God bless you.
Speaker 3: And I wish when I was watching the Dodgers game
Speaker 3: last night, during a little lull of the action, they
Speaker 3: had worked in some geopolitical And why did Trump bomb
Speaker 3: those drug cartel people in the boat? They need to
Speaker 3: keep ventlel out of the United States. Anyway, two strikes
Speaker 3: the better out in a.
Speaker 2: Beautiful country with oil riches. Be condemned to poverty forever, communism,
Speaker 2: that's how anyway? Oh and two? Yeah, anyway, oh and two?
Speaker 2: Speaking of and then, well, well then we'll get back
Speaker 2: to the Venezuela and the coming invasion. Wait what that
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Speaker 2: It should be easy for the Marines to establish a
Speaker 2: beachhead there in Venezuela. Shohe Otani loosening up may come
Speaker 2: in in the seventh inning. Yeah, the Marines are forty
Speaker 2: nine point favorites in that matchup. But again, it would
Speaker 2: not be without bloodshed and horror and complic problems and
Speaker 2: the rest of it. Probably it is entirely possible, knowing
Speaker 2: Trump's modus operandi, that what he really wants is for
Speaker 2: Maduro to say to the cartels because like in mex couh,
Speaker 2: the cartels are giant corporations. They have the year of
Speaker 2: the government. If they pick up the phone and say
Speaker 2: I need to talk to the president, the president calls
Speaker 2: them back. Uh. What Trump is looking for is Maduro
Speaker 2: to tell them, hey, you do anything you want with
Speaker 2: your drugs, but don't make them traceable to Venezuela or
Speaker 2: or lay low for six months. That is the goal. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So we'll have to see how it plays out. Anyway,
Speaker 2: oh and two. Anyway, oh and two, anyway. Oh and two,
Speaker 2: thank you Bence, Miss Vincecully.
Speaker 3: I would listen to the Dodger game last night on
Speaker 3: the radio if he was calling it.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for the Brewers, openly, hopingy proudly. I was too.
Speaker 3: I was to you say, I tend to root for
Speaker 3: the underdog. But now that it's three to zero, come on, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Well I'm rooting for them all the more. And there's
Speaker 3: a miracle comeback.
Speaker 2: They're gonna slay the mighty Goliath like David of Old.
Speaker 2: Probably not so.
Speaker 3: We mentioned Barry Weise earlier running CBS now and we're
Speaker 3: excited about that. She fired somebody yesterday. She's her first scalp,
Speaker 3: they called it in trying to turn around things at
Speaker 3: that major network. I'm kind of excited about that. Oh,
Speaker 3: you got a bunch of stuff we can talk about.
Speaker 3: I hope you can stick around anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh and two Armstrong and finally, Kamala Harris claims some
Speaker 2: people have told her that she may have been the
Speaker 2: most qualified presidential candidate ever. Wow. She was told this
Speaker 2: by the author of the book Lies I Tell Drunk Chicks.
Speaker 3: He's always the leaning on the Kamala's drunk thing. So
Speaker 3: we mentioned Barry Wise, who runs CBS News. Now, you know,
Speaker 3: she left the New York Times she thought they were
Speaker 3: too woke, and she was right, and then she started
Speaker 3: her own thing and became very successful. And paramount who
Speaker 3: owned CBS offered her what one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 3: dollars for free press, and now she runs CBS. And
Speaker 3: you know, people are wondering, well they.
Speaker 2: Muzzle or what.
Speaker 3: I never was worried about that. She's not the sort
Speaker 3: of person that's going to be muzzled. Not a freaking
Speaker 3: chance in my opinion. But anyway, she's there, and she's
Speaker 3: already fired somebody. She fired this Claudium Maline, who ran
Speaker 3: the division responsible for moral, ethical and legal implications at
Speaker 3: CBS Programming. It's the first senior executive to leave since
Speaker 3: Weiss arrived. And that person was seen to be part
Speaker 3: of the whole CBS caters to the woke side of
Speaker 3: things person and that y is not very title.
Speaker 2: Stinks. Yes, what is that? Well sounds awfully close to DEI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's she exactly, I should say, because this is
Speaker 3: a better description of what happened. They eliminated that position
Speaker 3: because that shouldn't even be a thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there you go. Right. Speaking of Barry Weiss,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned briefly, I think it was Luella's a
Speaker 2: little earlier activist LGBTQ plus minus ie two spirit over
Speaker 2: the power of three activists haven't said a word about
Speaker 2: Barry Weiss making lgb history. I'm just going with those
Speaker 2: letters for the rest of my life. Uh at CBS
Speaker 2: News being the head now of CBS News.
Speaker 3: This isn't an obvious one, but it had escaped me,
Speaker 3: of course, if she had been leading someone else that
Speaker 3: they liked the first uh lbgpqick a plus person to
Speaker 3: ever run the whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, But not a word about because she's sent her left. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's away, she's not even Anybody who calls her a
Speaker 2: conservative is inaccurate. She's all over the map, like a
Speaker 2: lot of people are. You bring up an issue and
Speaker 2: she'll tell you where she stands, and like all most
Speaker 2: human beings is it's a little more complicated. Well, she
Speaker 2: likes honest uh news coverage.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I like about her the best, And
Speaker 3: as long as that happens, I can live with whatever
Speaker 3: your politics are, right right, They claim to love diversity,
Speaker 3: an inclusion unless it is somebody of a moderately conservative
Speaker 3: maybe bent.
Speaker 2: And here's here's another one for you, with their hope
Speaker 2: for finally Palestinian people having happy lives and getting rid
Speaker 2: of Hamas. The ceasefire now, crowd is now the A
Speaker 2: ceasefire isn't liberation. A ceasefire isn't Palestinian. It was made
Speaker 2: without Palestinian voices. Israel is still committing a genocide. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah crowd. And it goes back to the freedom
Speaker 2: living quote of the day. We wrapped up last the
Speaker 2: first hour with Marxists. Just lie. The whole Dei thing
Speaker 2: is a lie. It's not about diversity, it's about more
Speaker 2: neo Marxists. We need more diversity. Look, there's some a
Speaker 2: couple of black people. We'll have them on the board.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you those two black people are far left progressives.
Speaker 2: They use moral arguments to dress up getting more people
Speaker 2: who think like them on board. Barry Weiss is the
Speaker 2: wrong sort of lesbian. We had a great note from
Speaker 2: this legislator in eastern Washington State who's Hispanic, who watched
Speaker 2: the progressives in the state House in Washington bust up
Speaker 2: her district because Republicans.
Speaker 3: Were winning it.
Speaker 2: They pretend they care about ethnic minorities. All they care
Speaker 2: about is power. They are liars.
Speaker 3: Different story in our waning seconds this hour. This is
Speaker 3: interesting specifically because it's Columbus Week. You know, he came
Speaker 3: here and discovered this big, giant empty land that was America.
Speaker 2: They found a.
Speaker 3: Four thousand, two hundred year old skull in an Indiana
Speaker 3: riverbed this week, so that changes the dates for when
Speaker 3: they think different people were in different parts of the
Speaker 3: United States.
Speaker 2: But there were people there.
Speaker 3: Four thousand years ago, not four hundred years ago in
Speaker 3: Columbus landed, but four thousand years ago in Indiana.
Speaker 2: And since the land changed probably hundreds of times in
Speaker 2: that time, the whole land declaration, is that what those
Speaker 2: are called. Yeah, it's going to be like an hour
Speaker 2: and a half long every time you start a meeting,
Speaker 2: So settle in, everybody, get comfortable. Yeah, that's interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to the Pacific Legal Foundation in just a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes about the blockbuster Supreme Court session underway
Speaker 2: right now. Stay with us if you can't grab the podcast,