WEBVTT - Did Picasso Try to Steal the Mona Lisa?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what will?

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<v Speaker 2>What's that?

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<v Speaker 1>Mango? So I'm trying to write a poem for the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa and I need little help. Rhyme Zone says

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<v Speaker 1>there's no perfect rhyme for Mona Lisa. So what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think rhyme's best? Like amnesia anesthesia or moesha? Wait, Mango?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, why are you writing Mona Lisa poem?

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<v Speaker 1>Because even though there are over a million pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>art in the Louver, the Mona Lisa is the only

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<v Speaker 1>one who actually receives her own mail, and people have

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<v Speaker 1>been writing to the Mona Lisa since the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>She even has her own mailbox because the painting is

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<v Speaker 1>so enchanting. So I'm curious, So, like, what what do

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<v Speaker 1>people actually write? Some of the letters express how moved

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<v Speaker 1>people are by the artwork, and some ask the smirking

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<v Speaker 1>Beauty for advice, and some of the letters actually include

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<v Speaker 1>marriage proposals.

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<v Speaker 2>It is pretty incredible. I love that people have a

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<v Speaker 2>parasocial relationship with a piece of art. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I've heard about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it used to be For years you actually

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<v Speaker 1>have to make a trip to the Louver to pass

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<v Speaker 1>along your fan mail tour. But these days you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually post a letter to the museid Louver Service de

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<v Speaker 1>public Attention day Mona Lisa, which I've obviously said in

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect franch accent, and you nailed it, Mango, So

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<v Speaker 1>I figure, why not add to the file.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in that case, maybe try rhyming Mona Lisa with

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<v Speaker 2>milk of Magnesia, Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you would have an answer for me. So

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we put the poetry aside for a moment

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<v Speaker 1>and dive into today's episode, which is all about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners. I'm Will Pearson and as always

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with my good friend Mango and sitting behind

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<v Speaker 2>that big booth that's our powd Dylan. Now, Mango, I

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<v Speaker 2>know I got here a little bit before you did,

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<v Speaker 2>but Dylan was already here. I think he had clocked

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<v Speaker 2>in a good half hour before I even sat down,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been holding that weird smile Mona Lisa's style

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<v Speaker 2>for the last hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird, but it's also really captivating. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>crazy that he shaved his eyebrows. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>spot on to the Mona Lisa. But that's just the

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<v Speaker 1>links to Dylan goes to for these bits. It's truly impressive. Anyway, mego,

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<v Speaker 1>let's dive in here. So what is it about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa that is so captivating? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do people stand in lines to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>louver just so they can stand in this huge crowd

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<v Speaker 2>and try to see this painting? Is it just her

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<v Speaker 2>smile or like what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So obviously it's not just the smile. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a super good painting, which I believe is a

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<v Speaker 1>direct quote from our forum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, I think, I think I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 2>that quote. But what makes the painting so unique? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>to start with, most sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Century portraits of nobility showed off their social status and

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<v Speaker 1>their wealth with a lot of like flamboyant clothing. So

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<v Speaker 1>the painting's also played up hair styles and accessories. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you've seen the Mona Lisa, which is

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be this Italian noble Lisa del Giacondo, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unique because she's dressed really simply, all of which draws

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<v Speaker 1>most of the attention straight to her face and that

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<v Speaker 1>weird smile. Yeah, but there's also other stuff, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>typical Italian portraiture used full figure poses, but Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>is painted in this revolutionary three fourths length pose. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not stoic or demure, which would be typical of

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<v Speaker 1>a female portrait. She's she's turning slightly toward the viewer

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<v Speaker 1>and she meets our eyes directly like a man typically would,

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<v Speaker 1>or a man at the time. And Modalsa also showcases

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<v Speaker 1>some very vincy techniques. What would those be? Yeah? What

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<v Speaker 1>is this technique called sfumtu, which means vanished or evaporated. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>Leonardo would create these imperceptible transitions between light and dark

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<v Speaker 1>by shading the colors really gradually so that the background

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<v Speaker 1>fades into the distance. It's almost like adding a blur filter.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's another deviation from traditional Italian portraiture of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which would paint the backgrounds in this same sharp focus

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<v Speaker 1>as the central figure. Actually, is this fuma to also

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<v Speaker 1>a drink. Yeah, it's in a marrow, which makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>because if you drink enough smatu, things are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get faded into the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just want to say sfumatu over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is all cool, But I do think we

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<v Speaker 2>should get back to the Mona Lisa's weird smile. I

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<v Speaker 2>know I keep bringing it up, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we have to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the smile that launched a mediocre two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three movie Emego.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sixty percent on rotten Tomato, so I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't sleep on it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was up.

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, I like to know what it

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<v Speaker 2>gets on rotten tomatoes. But I also looked into Mona

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa's smile and it's amazing. Like the preoccupation with the

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<v Speaker 2>painting smile dates back to the Renaissance writer and historian

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<v Speaker 2>Giorgio Vasari, and he actually said, in this work of Leonardo,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a smile so pleasing that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>thing more divine than human to behold, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>held to be something marvelous in that it was alive,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounds spooky. It sounds spooky, But he also wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the only one that was so captivated here. So the

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<v Speaker 2>treacherous attraction of Moasia's smile is said to have consumed

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<v Speaker 2>French artist Luke Maspero too. According to popular myth, Maspero

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly ended his life over it. We actually leapt from

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<v Speaker 2>the I know it's crazy. He actually leapt from the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth story window of his Paris hotel room, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the note he left behind, he wrote, for years I

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<v Speaker 2>have grappled desperately with her smile. I prefer to die.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so dramatic, you know, you know, why would a

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<v Speaker 1>smile and a painting drive someone so crazy? It it

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<v Speaker 1>feels ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, there's actually some science here, like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are explanations for it. Some people who look at

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<v Speaker 2>the painting think she's not smiling at all, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>because the human eye uses two types of vision. There's

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<v Speaker 2>fobial and there's peripheral. Now, fobial or direct vision is

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<v Speaker 2>excellent at picking up detail, but is less suited to

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<v Speaker 2>picking up things like shadows, and so, according to Margaret Livingstone,

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<v Speaker 2>a professor at Harvard Quote, the elusive quality of the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa smile can be explained by the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>her smile is almost entirely in low spatial frequencies and

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<v Speaker 2>so is seen best by your peripheral vision. It's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like an optical illusion, like the more a person stares

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<v Speaker 2>straight ahead, the less their peripheral vision actually works.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's really cool. So I'm at the I'm staring

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mona Lisa because I want to take it

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<v Speaker 1>all in and get my money's worth. But the harder

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<v Speaker 1>I stare, the harder it is for my vision to

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<v Speaker 1>register that smile.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. And it's only when you start looking

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<v Speaker 2>at other parts of the painting, like the background or

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<v Speaker 2>hands or the chair, that's when your eyes really pick

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<v Speaker 2>up on the smile, which could sort of strike you

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<v Speaker 2>as alive, right because it's not there, and it suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>appears like Mona Lisa is finally deigned to smile at you,

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<v Speaker 2>the sweaty jet lag tourists who's come all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to friends to see her. I mean, that's the theory, Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny is that I'm really glad you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the chair. Wait, chair?

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<v Speaker 2>What did I say about the chair? I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I said anything about the chair, did I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just that it exists? It trikes out chair. The chair

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most interesting parts of the Mona Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>and one that art historians actually focus on. Specifically, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pozetto chair, which means little well, which some historians

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<v Speaker 1>believe is a reference to the amphibious nature of Mona Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>She's surrounded by water, she's wearing this green dress, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you know she's sitting on a little well, you

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<v Speaker 1>could imagine the rivers behind her are flowing into her.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's obviously a rich and surprising and ingeniously conceived work

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<v Speaker 2>of art. But here's what I've always been stuck on

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<v Speaker 2>with the Mona Lisa. Like the Renaissance had I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you know this, but a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>super good paintings mego, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Also sounds like a quote from Art Forum.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight from it. But seriously, I've always wondered what made

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<v Speaker 2>the Mona Lisa stick out amongst all this amazing art,

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<v Speaker 2>And through our research, I finally found the answer, Mango,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Vibes, Yeah, yeah, well, the vibes and incredible marketing, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Mona Lisa is like the Jeremy Allen White of

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance paintings. I don't even know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, hear me out on this. So even

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<v Speaker 2>before it was in the loop. The Mona Lisa started

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<v Speaker 2>out hot like it had this great pedigree. It was

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<v Speaker 2>in the royal collection of the literal King of France,

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<v Speaker 2>Francis I, and who's court Leonardo spent the last years

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<v Speaker 2>of his life. The painting was there for centuries until

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<v Speaker 2>the French Revolution claimed the royal collection as the property

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<v Speaker 2>of the people. Then Napoleon took it and placed it

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<v Speaker 2>in his bedroom because he loved it that much, and

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<v Speaker 2>then finally it landed in the Louver. Sure, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of history there of being owned by

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<v Speaker 2>important people. But it was also the heat around Leonardo

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<v Speaker 2>dventually that helped grow interest in the Mona Lisa, because

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<v Speaker 2>something happened in the nineteenth century where Leonardo became more popular,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, see, not only as a very good painter,

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<v Speaker 2>but also as a great scientist an inventor of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and many of his so called inventions were later debunked,

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<v Speaker 2>and his contributions to science and architecture came to be

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<v Speaker 2>seen as you know, less than they might have been

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<v Speaker 2>at first. But this idea of Leonardo as a genius

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<v Speaker 2>has continued well into the twenty first century, and that

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<v Speaker 2>of course has contributed to the Mona Lisa's popularity. But

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<v Speaker 2>then there was Marcel Duchamp's contribution to the painting.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're talking about Deschamp. The data is too, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>made all that fun crazy art, like signed that urinal

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<v Speaker 1>and entered it into an art exhibition.

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<v Speaker 2>Back guy, Yeah, very same guy. So Duchamp took a

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<v Speaker 2>postcard reproduction of the Mona Lisa. This was back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen. He drew a beard and mustache on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like this playful depiction. It was meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be in irreverent commentary about the worship of art. But

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<v Speaker 2>he also wrote lhoo q across the bottom of the postcard.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds like, look right, is that? What's I mean? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a vulgar phrase for I guess you could

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<v Speaker 2>say she's hot, But the polite translation is there is

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<v Speaker 2>fire down below, got it? You've never written that on anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>The depiction of the Mona Lisa became a huge thing

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<v Speaker 2>to deface of this revered work of art as commentary,

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<v Speaker 2>and before a long other artists followed suit and distorted disfigure.

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<v Speaker 2>They played with rep reductions of the Mona Lisa, including

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Warhol, actually, over decades, as technology improved, the painting

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<v Speaker 2>was endlessly reproduced, sometimes manipulated, sometimes not, and so her

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<v Speaker 2>face became one of the most well known in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>even to people who don't really care about art.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so, I may have never been to the Louver

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<v Speaker 1>or never even heard of Leo da Vinci, But by

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, even if I hate art, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid the Mona Lisa's presence.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. In fact, in the nineteen sixties and seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mona Lisa was so famous she went on tour.

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<v Speaker 2>She traveled to the US and a first class cabin

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<v Speaker 2>on an ocean liner threw about forty thousand people a

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<v Speaker 2>day to the Metropolitan Museum in New York City and

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<v Speaker 2>then in the National Gallery of Art in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after that she went on to Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the popularity was only increased by that

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<v Speaker 1>heist too, right, wait, there was a heist. It is

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<v Speaker 1>really really fun, But why don't we take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break before we get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're discussing the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa and Mango. You were just telling us about

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<v Speaker 2>an art theft involving da Vinci's most famous painting.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right? That's right. So in nineteen eleven, the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa had made it to the Louver, a huge

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<v Speaker 1>museum in Paris, literally huge like. At the time, the

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<v Speaker 1>Louver was the largest building in the world, with more

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<v Speaker 1>than a thousand rooms spread out over forty five acres.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe, Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous. So what

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<v Speaker 2>is the heating bill on a place like that? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Because it's France, so it's just cold, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>A good point, that's fair. Anyways, it was a quiet

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<v Speaker 1>Monday morning in Paris on the twenty first of August

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eleven, and three men were hurrying out of the Louver,

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<v Speaker 1>which is odd that the museum was closed to visitors

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<v Speaker 1>on Mondays. The men were Vincenzo Perusia and the brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>Vincenzo and Michelle Lancelotti. They're these young Italian handymen. They

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<v Speaker 1>had come to the Louver on Sunday afternoon, hidden overnight

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<v Speaker 1>in a storeroom near the Salon care A gallery of

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance paintings, and then in the morning wearing white workmen's smocks,

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<v Speaker 1>they went into the salon and seized a small painting

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<v Speaker 1>off the wall. They ripped off the glass, shadow box

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<v Speaker 1>and frame, and then they went to a stairwell and

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<v Speaker 1>Perusia hid the painting under his clothes, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>slipped out of the gallery down a back stairwell, threw

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<v Speaker 1>a side entrance and onto the streets of Paris. And

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<v Speaker 1>so they stole the Mona Lisa. Yeah, they stole the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa. It took twenty six hours before the louver

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<v Speaker 1>staff even noticed that it was missing. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>remember how big the louver is, right, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eleven there were fewer than one hundred and fifty guards

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<v Speaker 1>looking out for all of that art.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, So, like, how did they plan it and

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<v Speaker 2>why did they steal it? Like, give me the Ocean's

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<v Speaker 2>ta plot here mango.

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<v Speaker 1>Before in nineteen ten, a letter was mailed to the

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<v Speaker 1>louver from Vienna which threatened the Mona Lisa. So museum

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<v Speaker 1>officials hired a firm named Kobie to put a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>of its most prized paintings under glass, and the work

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<v Speaker 1>took three months, and one of the men assigned to

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<v Speaker 1>the project was Vincenzo Perusia who was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>thieves and Prussia was this Italian worker on a French

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<v Speaker 1>construction crew, so they teased him a lot. Prusia later

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<v Speaker 1>testified in court that they quote almost always called me

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<v Speaker 1>Manja Macaroni or Macaroni eater, and very often they stole

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<v Speaker 1>my personal property and salted my wine. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>getting bull at this French crew. Yeah, and you took

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<v Speaker 1>it personally. And some accounts say Prusia was motivated by

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<v Speaker 1>national pride and he wanted to repatriate Mona Lisa to Italy. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there there was this media explosion when the Louver announced

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<v Speaker 1>the theft. Newspaper headlines were all over the place, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted posters for the painting were hung on Regian walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and crowds masked at police headquarters. And when the Louver

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<v Speaker 1>actually reopened after a week, thousands of spectators, including Franz Kafka,

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<v Speaker 1>flooded into the salon to stare at the empty wall

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<v Speaker 1>where the Mona Lisa had once been. An empty people

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<v Speaker 1>are so weird, like why would people line up to

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<v Speaker 1>stare at a blank wall? I mean the grief was remarkable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the national outpouring. According to historians, mimicked the shock

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<v Speaker 1>of Princess Diana's death and where was the actual painting

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<v Speaker 1>being kept during all of this? So Prusia had squirreled

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<v Speaker 1>the Mona Lisa away in this false bottom of a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden trunk in his room at a boardinghouse. And when

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<v Speaker 1>the Parisian police interrogated him as part of all their interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>because they basically interviewed everyone who was working at the

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<v Speaker 1>louver at the time, he said he only learned about

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<v Speaker 1>the theft from the newspapers and that the reason he

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<v Speaker 1>was late to work that Monday in August was that

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<v Speaker 1>he had drunk too much the night before and overslept.

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<v Speaker 1>But Prusia ultimately wanted money for this world famous painting,

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<v Speaker 1>so he twenty eight months, and then in December nineteen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he left that boarding house with the trunk and he

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<v Speaker 1>took a train to Florence, where he tried to offload

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<v Speaker 1>the painting to an art dealer, who promptly called the police.

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<v Speaker 1>He then had a brief trial in Florence, pleaded guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up serving just eight months in prison. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a fairly happy ending of the story, then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the painting actually went on tour in Italy briefly

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<v Speaker 1>before it got sent back to France, but that theft

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<v Speaker 1>made the Mona Lisa a global icon. In the first

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<v Speaker 1>two days after it was rehung in the Louvers Salon,

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<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred thousand people viewed it, and today

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<v Speaker 1>eight million people see the Mona Lisa every single year.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it does feel like Prusia should have gotten like

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<v Speaker 2>this pr fee or something like that for boosting the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa's profile.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but weirdly, you know, there are actually some conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>So some said that theft was the French government's way

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to distract the public opinion from uprisings in

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<v Speaker 1>colonial West Africa. A few months before the was found,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times speculated that the Louver Restores had

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<v Speaker 1>botched a restoration job and that the museum was just

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<v Speaker 1>like concocting this story to cover that up. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also a rumor that a gang of international art thieves

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<v Speaker 1>had poached the painting and substituted a fake that was

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<v Speaker 1>in Perusia's possession when he was caught, which is all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of incredible. Whoa really. Yeah, And apparently this Argentinian

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<v Speaker 1>also confessed to masterminding the crime. He did this to

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<v Speaker 1>American reporter named Carl Decker. He basically said he paid

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<v Speaker 1>Perusia and the other two men to steal the painting

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<v Speaker 1>because the glass box that protected it weighed two hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>so you needed a few men on the job. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he said he had six forgeries made and sold

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<v Speaker 1>to private collectors. So for a while there was some

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether the Mona Lisa and the Louver was

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<v Speaker 1>the real deal. And then the other conspiracy theory around

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<v Speaker 1>the theft was this whole you know Picasso thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what Picasso thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of incredible. So during that eighteen month

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<v Speaker 1>period where the French police were not arrested the dudes

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<v Speaker 1>who actually stole the Mona Lisa, they arrested Pablo Picasso

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<v Speaker 1>and the poet and critic Guillaume Apollinaire. It started when

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<v Speaker 1>this guy, Joseph Gary Pierre went to the Paris Journal

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<v Speaker 1>and told them that for the past several years he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been stealing and then selling minor artwork from the Louver,

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<v Speaker 1>and to prove it, Pire produced a small statue that

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<v Speaker 1>the Louver curators confirmed with museums, and the police eventually

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<v Speaker 1>connected Piree to Apollinaire, who was a member of Picasso's

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<v Speaker 1>modernist entourage. They were called labond de Picasso, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were this like group of artistic firebrands known around town

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<v Speaker 1>as the wild Men of Paris. And it wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>that big a stretch for the police to assume this

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<v Speaker 1>ring of art thieves were sophisticated enough to swipe the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa. Of course, neither Apollinaire nor Picasso had played

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<v Speaker 1>any part in that painting's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So Picasso and his buddies didn't steal the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa. They were innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, the funny thing is they weren't exactly innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre was telling the truth that Picasso had bought stolen

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<v Speaker 1>statues from him and kept them buried in this cupboard

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<v Speaker 1>in his Paris apartment, and you know, later the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>pretended ignorance, like he didn't know they were stolen. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of every statue it was stamped in

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<v Speaker 1>bold property of de Louver.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it got weirder because when pire got put

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<v Speaker 1>on trial, it kind of ended up being like this

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<v Speaker 1>massive farce. Picasso and his friends confessed to putting their

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<v Speaker 1>stolen statues in this old suitcase and almost throwing the

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<v Speaker 1>bag into the Seine before realizing they couldn't destroy this

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<v Speaker 1>incredible art. So upon Air confesses to everything on the stand,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also throws in a lot of lies, and Picasso,

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<v Speaker 1>who normally liked to project, you know, a supermasho image,

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<v Speaker 1>he breaks down and weeps and also says a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of nonsense, and it all confuses the judge and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets baffled by the whole thing, and then ultimately just

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<v Speaker 1>dismisses the men with a warning. But because's involvement obviously

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<v Speaker 1>only brought the Mona Lisa more press, that is so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, let's take a moment to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>who the Mona Lisa actually is. Like, who is this

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<v Speaker 1>woman whose portrait has been reproduced a ridiculous amount of

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<v Speaker 1>times for five hundred plus years. Yeah, it's funny because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there used to be a real mystery

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<v Speaker 1>about who the Mona Lisa was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, But back in two thousand and eight at

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<v Speaker 2>German University found conclusive evidence that it's Lisa Gherdini del

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<v Speaker 2>ja Condo dated notes from October fifteen oh three, scribbled

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<v Speaker 2>in the margins of a book at Heidelberg University's library.

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<v Speaker 2>They confirmed that Lisa del Jacondo was indeed the model

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<v Speaker 2>and her husband was most likely the man who commissioned

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<v Speaker 2>the portrait. The comments comparare Leonardo to the ancient Greek

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<v Speaker 2>artist at Pelis, and said he was working on three

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<v Speaker 2>paintings at the time, one of them a portrait of

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa del Jacondo.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds pretty conclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will say at c like for almost any

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<v Speaker 2>given fact or assertion about the Mona Lisa, there is someone,

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<v Speaker 2>often with the fancy Tyler degree who disputes it, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>like anything. But probably the only thing everyone can agree

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<v Speaker 2>on is that it's rectangular. But let's go with the

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa del Jacondo theory for just a minute. Like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been this long standing theory that Lisa was or had

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<v Speaker 2>recently been pregnant when she's set for this portrait, and

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and four, a series of three D

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<v Speaker 2>scans essentially confirmed this. The scans showed this fine gauzy

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<v Speaker 2>veil around Mona Lisa's shoulders, this garment that women of

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<v Speaker 2>the Italian and Renaissance were when they were expecting it's

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<v Speaker 2>called a guamelo. Well, couldn't we just see the veil

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<v Speaker 2>by looking at the painting? Like, why do we need

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<v Speaker 2>three D scans of all of us? Actually, the scans

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to tell us a whole lot. Like

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, there was this big question over whether

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<v Speaker 2>the Mona Lisa didn't have eyelashes or eyebrows, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a debate over whether it was just the fashion

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<v Speaker 2>at the time or whether maybe leoni Ardo never actually

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<v Speaker 2>finished the painting. But an engineer named Pascal Cote used

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<v Speaker 2>the scans to reveal traces of the Mona Lisa's left

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<v Speaker 2>brow and basically that the lashes have been obliterated both

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<v Speaker 2>by time and this long ago restoration. Also, the scans

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<v Speaker 2>showed that da Vinci changed his mind about two fingers

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<v Speaker 2>on Lisa's left hand and how they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>be placed in the painting, and that her face was

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<v Speaker 2>originally a little bit wider and the smile more prominent.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really actually a lot that they can tell

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<v Speaker 2>from these scans. That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea you could like sort of see

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the painting to all those layers, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really really cool. But you know your question

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<v Speaker 2>about the veil. As the Mona Lisa aged, her veil

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<v Speaker 2>darkened and it made it harder to see. But with

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<v Speaker 2>the confirmation of the veil, historians were able to confirm

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<v Speaker 2>that Francesco del Jacondo asked for the painting of his

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<v Speaker 2>wife to celebrate the birth of his second.

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<v Speaker 1>Son, which confirms that Mona Lisa is his wife, Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>del Giaconda.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, actually his third wife to be exact. So

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<v Speaker 2>in fourteen ninety five, at the age of fifteen, Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>Gardini married prosperous silk and cloth merchant Francisco di Bartolomeo

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<v Speaker 2>di Zenobi del Jacondo. It's a mouthful there, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty awesome name. Lisa and Francesco ended up having

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<v Speaker 2>five children, Piero, Camilla, Andrea Jacondo and Marietta. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Lisa in the Mona Lisa allegedly. Don't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting into conspiracy talk here, Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to end this episode on a crazy note.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you know that some people believe there are

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<v Speaker 1>two Mona Lisas. Oh, who Basically, there's this painting that

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<v Speaker 1>looks a lot like the Mona Lisa. It's a painting

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<v Speaker 1>of a younger woman, kind of like uh fresher, younger

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa, with dark hair and an enigmatic smile that

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<v Speaker 1>sits at a slight angle in front of a panoramic landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously sounds familiar. It's called the Aleworth Mona Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>and long story short, it got passed around different art

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<v Speaker 1>collectors over the centuries, including American collector Henry F. Pulitzer.

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<v Speaker 1>Pulitzer published a book arguing that the Aleworth picture was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact Leonardo's only real portrait of Mona Lisa. The

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<v Speaker 1>way did Leonardo actually paint this one? I mean, some

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<v Speaker 1>people think so, namely the Mona Lisa Foundation, who have

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<v Speaker 1>a vested interest in, you know, furthering this theory, but

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<v Speaker 1>most art scholars don't believe. So it's painted on canvas,

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<v Speaker 1>and Leonardo usually painted on wood, and they basically say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just not good enough to be by Leonardo

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<v Speaker 1>da Vinci. It's just like a bad copy of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa. But speaking of bad copy, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>say we get into the fact of.

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<v Speaker 2>Aw I like what you did there, manga, Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So, one of the strangest things about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa is that it's been attacked. A bunch in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty six threw a rock at it, which chipped

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<v Speaker 1>the subject's left elbow. Over the years, people have thrown

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<v Speaker 1>acid on it, They've tried to face it with spray paint,

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<v Speaker 1>They've thrown a mug at it, and weirdest of all,

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<v Speaker 1>it had a cake thrown in its face as recently

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<v Speaker 1>as twenty twenty two. That is so weird and disheartening,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. According to a book by Diane Hales, over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, the Mona Lisa has launched a number of

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<v Speaker 1>fashion trends, and this is what she writes. Quote Society

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<v Speaker 1>women adopted the Mona Lisa's look by dusting yellow powder

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<v Speaker 1>on their faces and necks to suggest her golden complexion,

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<v Speaker 1>and immobilizing their facial muscles to mimic her smile, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like an early imitation of botox. Also quote. In

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<v Speaker 1>Parisian cabarets, dancers dressed as Laja Conde, the French name

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<v Speaker 1>for Mona Lisa, and performed a saucy can can.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's pretty good. All right, Well, did you

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<v Speaker 2>know in trying to figure out who the Mona Lisa was,

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<v Speaker 2>scientists have actually dug up bones beneath the convent in Florence.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently one of Lisa's daughters became a nun and in

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<v Speaker 2>her old age she moved into the convent with her daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>So scientists went digging beneath this chapel. They found bones

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<v Speaker 2>that do match up timeline wise with Lisa's death, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were hoping to use digital imaging on the skeleton

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<v Speaker 2>to compare it to the painting. But apparently there was

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<v Speaker 2>no skull found with the bones, and that means her

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<v Speaker 2>face couldn't actually be digitally reconstructed.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a fun one. To keep his subject smiling

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<v Speaker 1>or half smiling, Da Vinci had a whole bag of tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently employed six musicians to perform for her, had

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<v Speaker 1>people reading stories out loud to her, and also had

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<v Speaker 1>a fluffy white cat and a greyhound dog for her

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<v Speaker 1>to play with on set. All right, will people often

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<v Speaker 1>speculate how much the Mona Lisa is worse. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, when the painting went on tour, the

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<v Speaker 1>price was placed at about one hundred million dollars, which

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<v Speaker 1>is around eight hundred and thirty four million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>today's currency, but others estimated it's actually worth more. One

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<v Speaker 1>Entre Dour placed it in the billions of dollars because

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<v Speaker 1>of its value to France and the amount of tourism

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<v Speaker 1>the painting generates. Of course, all of that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>mood because it's illegal to buy or sell the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa in France. I love that they made it illegal

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<v Speaker 1>to to buy its.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't try it.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I wanted to understand was

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<v Speaker 1>why the Mona Lisa ended up in France. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>Leonardo had started painting Lisa in Italy, but when his patron,

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<v Speaker 1>the Medici, the brother of Pope Leo the ten, died,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't getting commissions in Italy. So you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>French were very welcoming. They praised his genius, so he

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<v Speaker 1>moves there. But some of the first damage to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa actually happened early on. It happened when King

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<v Speaker 1>Francis the First owned the painting. He hung it in

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<v Speaker 1>his bathing suite where the steam actually dulled the color.

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<v Speaker 1>And when a restorer tried to preserve the color by

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<v Speaker 1>putting the lacquer on it, he permanently dulled it. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's one to close it out, mango. Did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a scientist who claims to have figured

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<v Speaker 1>out what the Mona Lisa actually sounded like. This was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a promotion for the Japanese version of The

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<v Speaker 1>da Vinci Code. Montsumi Suzuki used the measurement from the

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<v Speaker 1>painting's face and hands to figure out how big her

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<v Speaker 1>skull would have been, also to determine her height about

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<v Speaker 1>five foot six inches. Then they used data simulation to

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<v Speaker 1>recreate the vocal cords to figure out her pitch and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the voice is somewhat deep. Now, we also figured

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<v Speaker 1>out what Leonardo da Vinci's voice sounded like, and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it was super nasal. I love that. Yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if knowing that da Vinci was nasal helps, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>help sell tickets for the movie. But whatever the case,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact is so good it makes me want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you this week's trophy. And also I'm thinking we

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<v Speaker 1>should stop the fact off just to get Dylan some

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<v Speaker 1>rogaine for his eyebrows, because totally they went above and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he just tries so hard that Dylan. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this week's Part Time Genius. To remember.

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