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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything, So don't don't hello, and welcome back

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Speaker 1: to even More News slash Worst Year Ever the Crossover.

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Speaker 1: My name is Katie, Still Odd Cinematic Universe, even more

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Speaker 1: Worst Years Ever to come joining us today if you hadn't.

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Speaker 1: Guests is our co host from Worst Year Ever, Robert

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Speaker 1: Evans and our glorious producer Sophie Lichtmann. Hi, guy, e's

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Speaker 1: nice to you today. Do you know Antifakud the capital yesterday? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We were all there. Yeah I heard that because I

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Speaker 1: was there doing the classic anarchist thing of fighting to

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Speaker 1: president and power. Yes, I was. I was there and

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Speaker 1: every every like every few minutes, I would shout, let's

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Speaker 1: go inside, let's go inside, and then they finally did.

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Speaker 1: I was gently tapping on the window, gesturing to someone

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Speaker 1: to let me in politely. Did you guys see that video?

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Speaker 1: That video exists, by the way, before before we go

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Speaker 1: too far down this rabbit hole, because we could and

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Speaker 1: we will. We will. But this is even more News.

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Speaker 1: And we start every episode by wishing everybody whatever holiday

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Speaker 1: it is, and so today I need to wish you

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Speaker 1: guys all a really happy national bubble head Day. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I knew today was important. It was something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard with a coup and our our

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Speaker 1: duties to Antifa. But but we joke, We digress. Today

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Speaker 1: we have reconvened to continue discussing yesterday's tempted coup in

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Speaker 1: our nation's capital and around the country. To be honest,

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Speaker 1: an insurrection, coupe put It's a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of different words to be used. Where do we begin? Alright,

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Speaker 1: we're left off yesterday people were finally getting control of

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Speaker 1: something about the situation, eventually decided to use a fraction

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Speaker 1: peaceful protesters angry that police shot some very generous I

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Speaker 1: want to just sad as hell, start with a conversation

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Speaker 1: we had before we began recording, uh, which is, do

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Speaker 1: we believe that the cops were in on this in

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Speaker 1: some capacity? Do we think that there is something fishy

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Speaker 1: share them for the listeners. Yes, come on, the the

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Speaker 1: lack of show of force, Robert, that people would have

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Speaker 1: been able to get into the places that they did well.

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Speaker 1: Most cops like trumps. The the woman who was shot

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Speaker 1: liked your answer before when we started, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to plagiarize it, so I'll let you share it.

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Speaker 1: What what was my answer? I've complete well before we started,

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Speaker 1: I've got um. Yeah, I believe you said something like maybe. No,

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Speaker 1: you said, uh, it's likely that maybe one or two

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Speaker 1: just as someone who watches police do things way more

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to like apologize for their behavior,

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Speaker 1: but like, this was not a case where the capital

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Speaker 1: But there was a Business Insider article that has some flaws.

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Speaker 1: That video does not show what everyone thinks, it says.

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Speaker 1: The person who posted it has pointed out that that

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Speaker 1: How does somebody physically get in there? Those are all

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about these, uh, these rumors

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Speaker 1: This is fake, This is fake news. He was stripped

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Speaker 1: if was going to be invoked. No, I mean, it

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Speaker 1: I do think that like that is that both that

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Speaker 1: So symbolic gestures are useless. Symbolic gestures don't do anything,

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Speaker 1: calling um this anarchy anarchists all that stuff like because

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Speaker 1: again because again anarchists love nothing more than to go

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Speaker 1: after than to keep an authoritarian president presently anarchists stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's infuriating, and like the ship from Matt Gates,

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Speaker 1: be punished. That is not legal. It is there something?

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Speaker 1: Is there something relevant to like uh, right wing violence

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Speaker 1: But it was like it was I was walking through

427
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: the crowd or like physically shoving my way through the crowd.

428
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Was very dense. I think we all have coronavirus now,

429
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: um there is. You know. It was like these pockets

430
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: of people who getting overcome with the spirit and giving

431
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: their own sort of like rousing screaming speeches about the

432
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: tree of liberty to the people around them. You know,

433
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: right before a large contingent of us sort of broke

434
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: off from what was going off on the Washington Monument

435
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: and moved towards the Capital. I have a video I

436
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: haven't posted to get of this guy in like full

437
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: tactical gear just screaming about how we have to take

438
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: it back. And then and it's like these people are

439
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: listening to the president talk, but all of a sudden,

440
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: it's like nobody. Guy in a like a Gadsden flag

441
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: bandana pulled over his mouth is like whipping them up

442
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: into a frenzy and they're agreeing that, like, yeah, we

443
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: should go do violence. Now, you're right, stranger, sounds pretty fashy,

444
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: really easily riled. It's in this very suggestive state right there.

445
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: And I don't be told for so long that it's like,

446
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: it's this is the thing that needs to happen that

447
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: we're going to do, right, like that's now's the day? Yeah,

448
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: and I was the day. What else were they going

449
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: to do? And you know, I hate to feel like

450
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm disparaging religion, but it was right now. I don't

451
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: actually hate that. I shouldn't. I shouldn't try to be polite,

452
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: but it does have this like sort of evangelical tent

453
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: revival vibe where these people are in this extremely suggestive state,

454
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: and whatever you say to them in the right tone,

455
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: they'll agree and they'll do it. They're they're ready, they're

456
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: ready to get hyped and agree with the regretted to

457
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: yes and whatever active terrorism to guy next to them

458
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: in the crowd comes up with. You know, the idea

459
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: that this was all like a false flag from Antifa

460
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: is bullshit. Every every person in that crowd was ready

461
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: to draw blood if somebody next to them offered them

462
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: the implement and gave them a suggestion. Oh yeah, those

463
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: are the things that I I've been laughing and pulling

464
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: my hair out the most. I don't know the most.

465
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: That's hard to quantify, but it's all of the suggestions

466
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: that this is just Antifa, the distancing of them, like

467
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: look into who was actually there. We know who was there,

468
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: wanted them, showed their faces and posted selfies, even attempted

469
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: black blog. I'm like, come on, noted Antifa cell leader

470
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: the Q and On Shoman. Yeah, come on, come on. Yeah,

471
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: when you when you join it in Tifa, you have

472
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: to get a falcon tattoo. It's kind of weird. I

473
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: mean they paid for it, so it's not so good.

474
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought that was a weird call, to be honest. Yeah,

475
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: it was weird as it should be. Yeah, that way

476
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: people can't see it as easy. So were you, um

477
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: in proximity as people started to break police lines and

478
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: get closer, you know, reach the capital. Right, So a

479
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: little before one, you know, I had I downloaded the

480
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: Magar rally Guy, the downloadable rochure that was available online.

481
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: Organized of them. Oh yes, no, this woman like took

482
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: it upon herself to contain all the different events are

483
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: taking place. She made a little infographic with a map

484
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: and like a description of each event. And so I

485
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: had my downloaded Maga rally Guide, and so I knew

486
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: it one o'clock we were all going to the capital

487
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: I was going to the Capital at one o'clock according

488
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: to the map that I downloaded. So I don't know

489
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: why the DC police didn't know about it. I found

490
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: it on parlor. Wow, I know why I didn't know

491
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: about it. Okay, so you followed your map at one. Yeah,

492
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: So at about ten to one, I started walking towards

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00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: the Capital. And it's about a mile and a half.

494
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: So it took five minute walk. Twenty five minutes at

495
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: least you got your steps in. I got many stepsen.

496
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: So I walked down the length of the National Mall.

497
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: You know, our our beautiful National Mall. I don't know

498
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: if you've been there before, maybe recently. There's never not

499
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: cops there. There's always just a million cops there. They're

500
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: like a park ambassadors, the park Police. There's cops everywhere

501
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: at all times, all the time in d C, because

502
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: it's Washington, d C. I didn't see a single fucking cop.

503
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: I saw zero policeman. I said, no cop cars. No,

504
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: I didn't see a woman take off her pants and

505
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: squat down in the middle of the National Mall and

506
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: cover her bare ass with a Trump flag while she

507
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: took a piss. But I saw no cops. Wow. First

508
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: of all, I mean, to be honest, the proper use

509
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: for a Trump flag, Yeah, yeah, that part's fine. I

510
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: don't I think being outside is noble and correct. There

511
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: were no porta potties, which, according to everyone I passed

512
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: on the mall, was a communist plot directly from your

513
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: real bower to hurt them. It's amazing because whether they're angry,

514
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: they're worried about left or right wing demonstrators. The people

515
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: in charge in this country always respond to demonstrations by

516
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: trying to deny people bathrooms, and it just means that

517
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: piskets everywhere. That's the only thing that does. Yeah, I

518
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: actually have a big proponent. I love peeing outside somewhere.

519
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: That's a fun fact about me. That is true and

520
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: not a joke. I'm a nervous I'm a nervous here,

521
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you it was difficult to empty

522
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: my bladder while staring at an ongoing insurrection. Yeah, I mean,

523
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: in these circumstances, I don't know if I'd been able

524
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: to go, But give me a nice country road somewhere

525
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the countryside. All about it anyway,

526
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: So your story. So, according to a video I found

527
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: online about a few minutes before I got there, there

528
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: were I guess like six cops and a bike rack

529
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: trying to prevent people from getting into the capital, and

530
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: they were easily over trave of that bike rack. Yeah,

531
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know, according to that video, that interaction was

532
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: brief because by the time I got there, there were

533
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: no more cops and everyone was just sort of stepping

534
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: over this top al bike rack and onto the capital lawn. Um.

535
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: So I just walked up to the Capital with all

536
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: my new MAGA friends. Um Again, I haven't posted any

537
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: of this video because as soon as you got sort

538
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: of onto the Capitol lawn like so sort of I

539
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: don't know where the demarcation is where the National Wall

540
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: ends and the Capital Lane begins. Like once you've got

541
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: close to the Capital. Within that sort of that block

542
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: of the capital, cell phone signal stopped. And it wasn't

543
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: a capacity thing because there was like a demarcation where

544
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: if you move past at your phone worked again. So

545
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: they're definitely jamming cells. I haven't consied any of this

546
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: video yet, but as I approached the Capital, there's a

547
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: wind screaming into like her info Worce megaphone that like

548
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: they can't shoot us all, like we're not I'm not

549
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: there yet. I guess you're there, your ten steps ahead

550
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: of me right now, man, like way ready. But there's

551
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: like kids and like old people in wheelchairs and like

552
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: I almost stepped on a Yorky Like there were families there.

553
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: How dare somebody bring their puppy? Kids are fine, puppies

554
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: are off limits. I mean a lot of like hound

555
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: dogs in tactical gear, which is kind of cool, but like,

556
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if what's the If it had been

557
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: an all dog insurrection, nobody would have had a problem

558
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: with it. I I support dogs overthrowing the democratically elected

559
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: government of this kind of Oh my god, we would

560
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: be way better off, without a doubt. It was all

561
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to blow my cover, so I

562
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: couldn't look too excited about any of the dogs because

563
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be fair enough. Yeah, they

564
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: didn't any of the dogs. So get up close to

565
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the Capitol, And I spent most of the two hours

566
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: that I was up there standing on that. So it's

567
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: sort of like a semi circle shape in front of

568
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the steps. I don't know how familiar the physical space.

569
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: There's like that semi circle space in front of the stairs,

570
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: and there's a low stone wall outlining the semi circle,

571
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: and I was standing on the wall so I could

572
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: see and also not get crushed to death. I mean,

573
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: that was really what I was worried about, was getting

574
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: crushed to death. And apparently that is how one woman died.

575
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: She got crushed to death, so valid, valid fear. Yeah, um, yes,

576
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: I was just chilling there with my MAGA friends, and

577
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: it quickly got to the point, like I would see,

578
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: maybe within half an hour of me arriving and standing

579
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: on that wall. So I got there probably around one ten,

580
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: so by one there was nothing that they could have

581
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: done to disperse the crowd without causing trampling deaths. So

582
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: really what they should have done was dispersed the crowd

583
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: before ten thousand people were trying to get into the building,

584
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: is what I would have done. I'm not a police officer,

585
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: but I probably would have done something before the ten

586
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: guy showed up. Right, Yeah, that seems like that seems

587
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: like an achievable would have been an achievable goal for

588
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: the entire U S Security state. I mean, a couple

589
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: of hundred billion dollars poured into this like, I bet

590
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: one guy thought of it and they just didn't listen

591
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: to him. I don't know. They've certainly been successful at

592
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: managing loud thousands and thousands of people in the past. Today,

593
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: for some reason, those that playbook went out the window yesterday.

594
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry anyway, because I was in DC a couple

595
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and the cops were not quite as

596
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: hesitant to pepper spray or hit people or tackle them

597
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: or arrest them or drag them away or think it's

598
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: it's troubling. I think there's there's a lot of discourse

599
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: today about like, why didn't the cops hurt them more?

600
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: And I also have that question why didn't the cops

601
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: hurt them more? And that's not because I want people

602
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: to get hurt by cops. I'm not saying it would

603
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: be better and cooler if more people got hurt by cops.

604
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: That's not how I feel on a personal or political

605
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: level as an abolitionist. I would would be cool if

606
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: nobody got hurt by cops. But it does sort of

607
00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: open up a very striking contradiction. Yes, where's the Q?

608
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: And it's it's like I was thinking today, because they

609
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: arrested twelve people. During the insurrection, there was a night

610
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: in Portland where a very small group like four to

611
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: yor fifty activists I don't think I think it was

612
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: less than fifty, like met up at night to do

613
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: a secret action. We're just gonna go to the precinct

614
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: in Portland and yell at it, basically, and for whatever.

615
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: The police found out and surrounded this tiny group of

616
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: activists who were like all holding onto each other in

617
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: a circle, and arrested like thirty of them for again

618
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: going to yell at a precinct at night. Twice as

619
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: many people got arrested as we're arrested for attempting to

620
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: overthrow the governments. Well, he's he's like a solid paril.

621
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: You know. Not not to center my own experiences, but

622
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: this is the only narrative that I have that that

623
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: is mine. I was arrested with twelve people. Twelve was

624
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: were arrested for us standing on a sidewalk in front

625
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: of a church quietly. We weren't going anywhere. That sounds

626
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: very dangerous. You were. Let's be honest here, did you

627
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: have your assault sneakers on? I did? How I did

628
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: have sneakers on? I did? In my back mind. They

629
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: jumped out my backpack and kept screaming, where's your gun?

630
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Where's your sucking guns? I mean, it's for Nola Marris

631
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: in there if you want one like I think I

632
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: have gum? Are you? Are you cranky and hungry? You

633
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: sound cranky and hungry. They were seriously shouting, where's your

634
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: fucking gun? Yeah, I don't own a gun. Together everything don't. Yeah,

635
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: it's hard to not draw at the very obvious parallel

636
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: between this and everything that's happened over the past several

637
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: months years. But you know, all the protest movements that

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Speaker 1: we've been seeing, um since George Floyd. It and incredibly

639
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Speaker 1: frustrating to also see comparisons in you know, I have

640
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: a friend, a friend a person that I've known since

641
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: high school on Facebook posting if if you didn't care

642
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: about the protests in December, you should shut the funk

643
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: up and get off, you know it. It's driving me

644
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: crazy and I'm rambling now, but I'm hearing that comparison

645
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's like, Okay, here's the thing. The

646
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: protesters who, for example, in Portland, we're trying to break

647
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: into a federal courthouse. We're doing it because the people

648
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: of that city and their thousands got angry that federal

649
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: agents were grabbing people in undermark vans and nearly killed

650
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: a kid, and they wanted those specific federal agents out

651
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: of their home as opposed to trying to institute a

652
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: new government forcibly upon three and twenty million people through violence.

653
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: There's a difference. If you don't see the difference, I

654
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: can't possibly make you see the difference. Yeah, you know,

655
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't wanna want to make statements. It

656
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: can't back up, but I would I would like to

657
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: make a bet right here and now. Once they serve

658
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: those warrants. They searched some of these guys computers, They're

659
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: going to find detailed schematics. They're going to find information

660
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: about like planned murders of senators. Absolutely, Like if I

661
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: broke into the Capitol building, I wouldn't know where to

662
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: find the things that you know, I wouldn't know where

663
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: to go right away. I wouldn't have a bee line

664
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: for Nancy Pelosi's office, Like that's what's puzzling. And there

665
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: were two streams of people, there were three streams. There

666
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: was the the social media instigators like Elijah Shaffer who

667
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: were just there to egg things on and get a

668
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: lot of money in donations. There were the normal maga

669
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: people like some like the folks guy who died of

670
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: a heart attack, where it was just kind of like

671
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: they were angry and they were going to show up, um,

672
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: but they didn't really have a plan. And then there

673
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: were the people like the guy with zip ties on

674
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: the floor of the house who came armed with body armor,

675
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: with firearms and with plans to try to on his computer.

676
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: Yes and yeah, I'm actually like literally in the process.

677
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: We found a video of him that shows his face

678
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: afterwards because he's wearing the same shirt while he's drinking

679
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: in um uh in a d C hotel. How do

680
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: these people get back out of the building without any cops?

681
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: Get Oh you didn't hear that quote, did you? Okay,

682
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: this is in a great New York Times article. Um

683
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: a Capitol police officer tried to reason with the crowd.

684
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: You just you guys just need to go outside, he

685
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: pleaded with a man in a green backpack. When asked

686
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: why they weren't expelling the protesters, the officer said, We've

687
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: just got to let them do their thing now. No,

688
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: they had to let him do their thing. That's one

689
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: of the amendments, right, Let people do the thing. That

690
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: seems like an amendment, Like, I mean, I think it'll

691
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: be cool of cops let people do their thing more often.

692
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: But I think maybe this is one of the times,

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Speaker 1: the one time. Look if if there exists a reasonable

694
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: case for there to be armed men with badges, it's

695
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: to stop a violent overthrow of the mutually agreed upon

696
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: government of the nation. Right, everyone was arguing, like about

697
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: the rules and the norms, and now the bad things

698
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: couldn't happen because of all the rules and the norms.

699
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember, I mean, and and not

700
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: very many people are talking about the fact that what

701
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: there were three bombs the bombs Day, and the weirdest

702
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: part being there with all of our cell phones jammed.

703
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: The people who are there, you gotta figure, like, if

704
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: you show up to this, it's because you care about

705
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: it a whole lot. So people who care about it

706
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: the most are the only people on earth who have

707
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: no access to information about what's happening. So like they're

708
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: in there, and you know, before the building up breach,

709
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: I think they like certified some of the votes, like

710
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: they started doing it, and none of us outside know that.

711
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: We don't know because we're out side screaming at the

712
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: cops and getting like, I don't know, lightly pepper sprayed

713
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: uh gentle pats on the butt with their baton sticks.

714
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we didn't know about the bomb.

715
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: So afterwards, when I moved out of the zone, says

716
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: weird about getting stampeded to death, and I got cell

717
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: signal back. You know, I have all these frantic texts

718
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: from our friend Hillary, who's like, you have to get

719
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: the funk out of there. There's been shootings and bombs,

720
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know. It seemed like

721
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: the vibe was fine where I was a hundred feet

722
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: away from where that lady just got merked, Like we

723
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: just didn't know about the bomb. You were there when

724
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: um uh the one was shot that was inside. She

725
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: got shot inside, and I was outside, so not far away.

726
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: But like when when you're there and there's no internet connectivity,

727
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: you only know about what you can physically see. It's

728
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: very surreal to be you know, like the entire Senate

729
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: is being evacuated because of a bomb and people with guns,

730
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: and we're just kind of chilling sides, like not knowing

731
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: about it. I feel like maybe that just sounds maybe

732
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: there should have been dispersal orders because of the bomb,

733
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: but there weren't. You think maybe hey, guys like no,

734
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to go, but like it's that bomb. No,

735
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Molly, what do you? What do we?

736
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: What do we? What do we do here? It's you know,

737
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: what do we do? I don't know how we come

738
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: back from this, Robert, I don't That's what we were

739
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: saying before we brought you in because things keep having

740
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, we violated too many rules and norms, like

741
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how we go back to regularly like

742
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: this this time, this time, like this is pictures of

743
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: guys in Saddam's chair, you know, like this is these

744
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: are pictures. They're going to be in textbooks and other

745
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: countries where they talk about the fall of America. Yeah,

746
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: you can't put something back in the bottle when the

747
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: bottle is broken. And did you have to be the

748
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: Q and On Shaman guy? Guys, all the guys you

749
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: went on in a in a In a thousand years,

750
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: people will be still be looking at images of the

751
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: Q and On Shaman Guy and I can't think of

752
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: a more damning indictment of our civilization for sure. I mean,

753
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that's definitely the dumbest mom. And my question is what's

754
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing you personally saw yesterday? Obviously the photo

755
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: of the shaman qn on Shaman guy for me top

756
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: three dumbest things I've seen, but like for you personally,

757
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: what is something you saw? So like, there was all

758
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: the scaffolding outside the right in front of the capital,

759
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: on either side of the capital steps, and one of

760
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: the first things people did was, you know, breach the

761
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: the area around the scaffolding and start climbing the scaffolding.

762
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: And so there was like, you know, a guy would

763
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: get up there and way with flag and everyone would cheer,

764
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: and then they shoot a flash bangs and people would

765
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: cheer more. And then you know, they had their American

766
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: flags and they had their Trump flags and there was

767
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, some America first flags in a quintas thing.

768
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: The guy gets up there and he waves a Canadian

769
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: flag and everyone because the guy got up there and

770
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, guys, what And then there was no buoying,

771
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: but there was like this sort of murmur of consternation

772
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: and this this woman next to me or sixties and

773
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: ship I like, you know, badly applied bright blue eyeliner

774
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: and like a trump temporary tattoo on her cheek. And

775
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: she looks at me and she goes, that's just not right.

776
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Like that that that's that's where it's not right. Oh,

777
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: dare that is. That's a great story, a great story

778
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: that we would not have been privy to. Thank your

779
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: first hand experience. Just a real treat. Oh and the gallows,

780
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: The gallows were good. I'm sure you guys saw pictures

781
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: that I saw some flags of Georgia the country. Oh

782
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: my god, I guess that's like meme stuff, right, that's

783
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: like some meaning I made a lot of it. Might

784
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: be people just googled Georgia flag and got the first friend.

785
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Because because I feel like any any Southerner knows that

786
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: even if you're not familiar with the flag of another

787
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Southern state, if it doesn't look like it's probably some

788
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: minor regiment, a battle flag, it's not a real state flag.

789
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: You would think you would think they would have that awareness.

790
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: My rule of thumb is just fly the Texas flag.

791
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: It's the only flag any Just just fly the Texas flag.

792
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: It definitely got across. I definitely got a lot of

793
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: texts like what's that yellow flag they're holding from relatives

794
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: and it's like the one that says don't tread on me?

795
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Or the black and yellow one that's for the proud boys?

796
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Like which one are we talking? You've got to be

797
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: more specific which stupid yellow flag? Confused about who's doing

798
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: the treading at this point, Yeah, it's very unclear. Yeah,

799
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of seems like they were treading on all

800
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, because I hadn't tread on me. That's

801
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: my follow the liberals and the anarchists and everyone that's

802
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: not the people storming that building agree on is that, like,

803
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: well Trump shouldn't be in charge, like some of us

804
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: also think no one should be in charge, but certainly

805
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: not Trump. Yeah. Well, the good news is he wasn't

806
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: allowed to tweet for twelve hours, so you thank god

807
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: for that Facebook finally, But he doesn't he's in time

808
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: out and like Camp David, now right, yes he is.

809
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: He's he's sheltering in place at Camp David took away binkie. Yeah,

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00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: I do love that, of course, there I don't think

811
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: there is what is he going to do with himself,

812
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: didn't even he couldn't even go to marrow Lago. That's

813
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: the good news is he can go to mar Lago

814
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: three six. Actually he can't. He's not allowed to leave.

815
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I wasn't sure how that came out.

816
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: If you guys hadn't heard this. He was planning to

817
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: make marl Lago as residents. But this he is trying

818
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: to stop that. We'll see well because in order when

819
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: they built Mara Lago, because it's a historical building, when

820
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: they converted it to a hotel in the nineties, they

821
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: had to make a deal with the county. That was

822
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: the deal guy that he wouldn't he or nobody would

823
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: be living there long term. It couldn't be anybody's permanent residence.

824
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: And they're trying to make that stick. We'll see. UM, Molly,

825
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking time to chat with

826
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: us today. We would love to have you back on

827
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we will at some point in the

828
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: in the near future and circumstances maybe, And thanks for

829
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: all your work and your Twitter content and just yeah,

830
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: thank you. You should Um tell people where they can

831
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: find you online and how to support you. And all that.

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00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: You can find me at socialist dog Mom on Twitter.

833
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: And if I had known I was going to be

834
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: using that professionally, probably wouldn't Holly, wouldn't you use that?

835
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: But I love it? But it is. It is me

836
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: and the dogs, and I think they're the real stars. Um.

837
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: Now I have quarantined for two weeks, so yeah, Cup

838
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: comes to my house to hit me, I'll be I'm safe,

839
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: all right, thanks again, Molly. Okay, well, I guess that's

840
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: it for us today. Uh real quick reminder before I go,

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00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: very much everything everything again. I tried. Worst Yeer Ever

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