Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you already know how the Third, the Polo Weekend,
Speaker 1: the Skillion there, the Skelosophy. Make sure you catch me
Speaker 1: on that bootleg keV show man. It's gonna be serious.
Speaker 2: Man. What up Bootleg keV.
Speaker 3: Boutlet cav podcast. Man, we got a special guest in here,
Speaker 3: Thurst and how the third welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up? Kevin?
Speaker 3: It's crazy because I remember I told you, like one
Speaker 3: of my first vinyls I ever got was one of
Speaker 3: your singles when you were with Rackets, and I didn't
Speaker 3: really know much about you, and then it was through
Speaker 3: the Source or the Double Excel, I really like I
Speaker 3: read up on you, and uh, I was like super
Speaker 3: intrigued by the whole low life shit and some of
Speaker 3: the for people who don't know like what the low
Speaker 3: lifes were, like, first of all, you're still poloed out
Speaker 3: right on Brand Life.
Speaker 2: Lower is Life.
Speaker 3: But back in the nineties, please correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: Like you guys would like kind of boost a lot
Speaker 3: of polo right in the eighties. Okay, Okay, So in
Speaker 3: the eighties it started, what was what kind of give
Speaker 3: me the background of what the low life movement was,
Speaker 3: and you know, I feel like we see so much
Speaker 3: of this boosting of high end products out of like
Speaker 3: Louis Vatam these days, and I like, you guys were
Speaker 3: doing the first low key So.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, low life was just a group
Speaker 1: of kids coming together man for survival. You know, did
Speaker 1: a lot of things we weren't supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: You know, it definitely expanded way beyond clothing and stealing clothed.
Speaker 1: There was so many entities to what low Life was.
Speaker 1: But you know, we were known mainly for running up
Speaker 1: in stores and taking everything rushing. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of casual boosters. You know, we was terrorizing clubs and
Speaker 1: concerts and events and even the subway system. But like
Speaker 1: I always stress and reinterview because these are always the
Speaker 1: first questions. Low Life has transformed since then, of course,
Speaker 1: a positive movement with a positive organization within hip hop culture,
Speaker 1: pushing things forward and teaching people to actually do the
Speaker 1: opposite of.
Speaker 3: That what y'all were doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, because so many people just want to
Speaker 1: hear the crime. Listen, that was so long ago, and
Speaker 1: we've been on this path for a very long time now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we're heavy and entertainment heavy
Speaker 1: and art, heavy in film, you know, heavy in community
Speaker 1: service and things like that. So it's for me, it's
Speaker 1: really all about what we are today. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you want to know the Low Life history is all
Speaker 1: over the place on the internet. You could google it
Speaker 1: and they'll tell you all the stuff that I'm tired
Speaker 1: of repeating because we you know, we got the stigma
Speaker 1: stuck on us that I've been trying to shake off.
Speaker 2: It's been years since.
Speaker 3: Have they ever approached you guys to do like a
Speaker 3: or like a movie? Because I feel like it'd be
Speaker 3: a great Netflix series like that eighties, Like I just
Speaker 3: feel like that that was such an interesting thing to
Speaker 3: be a part of that. Like, I'm surprised we haven't
Speaker 3: seen it kind of you know, come out as like,
Speaker 3: you know, we see Raising Kine and we see Snowfall,
Speaker 3: which is kind of based on Freeway Rick Ross's life loosely,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Has anybody ever approached you
Speaker 3: guys to do something like that?
Speaker 1: Well, that's actually why I'm here in California right now.
Speaker 1: We're doing the Low Life series Distealing the American Dream
Speaker 1: with Kevin Garnett and Content Cartel and my good friend
Speaker 1: Mark Levin and Blowback Production, so along with my company
Speaker 1: Scilly in there, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's everything is in the mix. So it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of time before it's on the big screen.
Speaker 3: So that's on the way, on the way. Kg's what
Speaker 3: is a producer, investor, he's everything.
Speaker 2: You know, he's part of the entire thing.
Speaker 1: We partnered up, you know, our companies to do this
Speaker 1: together in sing.
Speaker 2: So KG had a lot of interest in the story.
Speaker 1: You know, his company hit me up, he sat down,
Speaker 1: you know, Adam Sandler got involved.
Speaker 2: Oh sh happy Madison.
Speaker 1: So there was you know, there was so many angles
Speaker 1: to it, but it's coming.
Speaker 3: How would you rate Adam Sandler's drip?
Speaker 2: His drip, I mean, Adam don't gotta kire man.
Speaker 3: That's what I like about him, right, It's very much
Speaker 3: like his lack of is the drip. It says more
Speaker 3: than you know if he were to be wearing like.
Speaker 1: A and it complements his personality and what he's known
Speaker 1: for in comedy is like I'm gonna make you laugh
Speaker 1: every time I walk in the room, whether I'm telling.
Speaker 2: A joke in you know, and he's a good dude man, you.
Speaker 3: Know how much First of all, how extensive is your
Speaker 3: collection of polo? Because you know there's people who I
Speaker 3: know who have stuff that they've just I got a
Speaker 3: good friend who collects the Teddy Bears, the actual Teddy Bears,
Speaker 3: And I mean he's got and stuff from when he
Speaker 3: was a kid all the way to.
Speaker 2: Now give me his address.
Speaker 3: But but like, yeah, for you, like what would you
Speaker 3: say like these days? Like how much? Like how much
Speaker 3: stuff do you have it at the crib? Like are
Speaker 3: you are you still collecting a lot?
Speaker 1: I mean it's never ending, right, But I don't hold
Speaker 1: on to things like people think you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: not in the order there not because only because I
Speaker 1: like you curse on him, right, I won't say what
Speaker 1: the fuck? I like my shit new and crispy, and
Speaker 1: I like the up to date shit. So many people
Speaker 1: want the vintage. They want to act like they was
Speaker 1: there in the past. You know, I don't care about
Speaker 1: the venta shit. I was there in the same manner
Speaker 1: as hip hop. Like I feel funny wearing a cago
Speaker 1: and gazelles today. It feels like a costume because I
Speaker 1: did it in the eighties and stuff. So I don't
Speaker 1: try to revisit the past in my time. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to not trying, but I'm always into the new shit
Speaker 1: that's coming out. The fresh flavor was, you know. But
Speaker 1: my collection is what it is. But I'm mostly into
Speaker 1: the home stuff. Like imagine, if this is my home,
Speaker 1: all this shit is Polo on that right.
Speaker 2: So that's how I get dom that you got to
Speaker 2: pull up home stuff.
Speaker 3: You got the towels and the accessories around the crib.
Speaker 2: And that's the shit I care about the most, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Have any of the actual like stuff Teddy Bears.
Speaker 2: I have the collection I have. I maybe have fifty bears.
Speaker 1: And everything was like gifts man for my family, for
Speaker 1: my children.
Speaker 3: Fans probably bringing fans.
Speaker 2: With male shit to my po box. All the time.
Speaker 1: I've always put my information on, like my CDs and stuff,
Speaker 1: and here comes a box that I didn't expect. You know,
Speaker 1: A fan sent me an autograph Mike Tyson glove because
Speaker 1: they know I love Mike Tyson and I'm from Brownsville,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just received stuff from people I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that and they would tell me, Yo,
Speaker 1: I think you would like this.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because I remember, like really hearing about Brownsville
Speaker 3: like from MOP. Right, Mop was like still one of
Speaker 3: my favorite rap groups of all time. Shot to them, they.
Speaker 1: The kings to me of Brownsville falls in hip hop music.
Speaker 1: You know, they were the most dominant because they were
Speaker 1: the most consistent, you.
Speaker 2: Know, outside of myself.
Speaker 1: MOP had more of a mainstream platform and they had
Speaker 1: them bangers.
Speaker 3: Well, I just remember like reading their interviews and like
Speaker 3: in my head thinking Brownsville was like the worst place
Speaker 3: in America, Like how crazy was Brownsville in the nineties,
Speaker 3: because it had to have been. Like I read some
Speaker 3: stuff that like like Fame and Billy Dans would be
Speaker 3: saying about like things that they used to do, and
Speaker 3: it just it seemed like a very And then when
Speaker 3: you would hear other people from Brooklyn talk about Brownsville,
Speaker 3: the way they would talk about Brownsville was like it
Speaker 3: was it was like crazy.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Brooklyn is considered one of the worst
Speaker 1: boroughs of New York City and the rest of Brooklyn don't.
Speaker 2: Come to Brownsville that right, That's that's how serious.
Speaker 1: And Brownsville is mostly composed of housing projects. Man, maybe
Speaker 1: I think like thirty three housing projects and we're not
Speaker 1: talking about you know, in all these other states, your
Speaker 1: housing projects are like two floors. Right in New York City,
Speaker 1: the it's just twenty floors, and you got twenty floors
Speaker 1: with ten buildings per project and a bunch of you know,
Speaker 1: wild people, you know, because it's poverty is a lot
Speaker 1: of poverty. So poverty is stacked on top of poverty.
Speaker 1: So it forces people to be the way they are
Speaker 1: in that environment because they don't have anything. So and
Speaker 1: you know, it's always about taking it. It's a Brooklyn waste,
Speaker 1: so not.
Speaker 2: Just taking it out there, that's about they taking it
Speaker 2: from each other, you know.
Speaker 1: But Brownsville is it's massive, man, Like I would have
Speaker 1: to credit Brownsville for everything I am today. Without that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be thirston Howell. If I would have grew
Speaker 1: up somewhere else, I wouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Been thirston Howell.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had that Brownsville training experience, you know,
Speaker 1: because to be solidified in Brownsville takes a lot of work,
Speaker 1: you know, coming up.
Speaker 2: So I love Brownsville.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say back then, like compared to now
Speaker 3: that like Brooklyn has changed so much, not Brownsville, I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, but there is like one area that
Speaker 3: really hasn't gotten hit because if you think of like
Speaker 3: Bushwick and like all these areas of Brooklyn that you
Speaker 3: go to now, and it's obviously gentrified a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: like a lot of people who can't afford to live
Speaker 3: in work in Manhattan, they go to Brooklyn or even Harlem.
Speaker 3: Harlem is definitely changing.
Speaker 2: A lot, you know what I mean, all them gentrified.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say for you, like, is it
Speaker 3: a good or a bad thing to kind of see
Speaker 3: Brooklyn kind of transform a bit and become more of
Speaker 3: a gentrified place because it is raising the housing prices.
Speaker 3: It's making it a lot harder for a lot of
Speaker 3: people to live.
Speaker 1: You know, it's evolution, man. You can't stop evolution, no
Speaker 1: matter what.
Speaker 2: What we want or what we feel.
Speaker 1: But you know, the sad part is that you know,
Speaker 1: they force South the less fortunate or the people who
Speaker 1: don't really have the means right, and you know, and
Speaker 1: they just making way for people from West bubble fuck
Speaker 1: to come in and just take over these neighborhoods where
Speaker 1: you know, as far as the older people that have
Speaker 1: been there their entire lives in their seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: that really don't have another place. It's too late for
Speaker 1: them to relocate anywhere. That's the only.
Speaker 2: Sad part about it.
Speaker 1: But the evolution, Yeah, and they leave, they don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. They you know, they leave a lot of
Speaker 1: people with no options. But evolution, you know, when shit changes,
Speaker 1: you have to know how to change with it.
Speaker 2: I always say evolve or dissolve.
Speaker 1: But you know, and but financially, being from places like that,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have the education, They don't
Speaker 1: have the opportunities the rest of the world have because
Speaker 1: they also blocked. You know, a lot of jobs will
Speaker 1: block you based off of your zip code. When you
Speaker 1: get this crazy fell out of application, you give them
Speaker 1: a Brownsville zip code, they looking at it up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But people still.
Speaker 1: Make it out of there and make it in there,
Speaker 1: you know, while they live in there. So it's not
Speaker 1: a hopeless place. It's actually rich, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Because I grew up in Brownsville in a project, right,
Speaker 1: And I look at my son, who grew up in
Speaker 1: a suburb.
Speaker 2: In a home someplace, And.
Speaker 1: When my son comes outside, he didn't have a single
Speaker 1: friend to play with. But when I came outside, in
Speaker 1: my less fortunate home in Brownsville, dysfunctional household, poverty, strict neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I had a thousand friends where I walked out b door,
Speaker 1: So the riches I received from being there, Like that's
Speaker 1: the part people don't understand. Your personality is molded. You're
Speaker 1: around all these different personalities and characters that you're able
Speaker 1: to absorb and learn from and mimic.
Speaker 2: And that's the richest of it, man.
Speaker 1: And everybody is so rich and talent, bravery, you know,
Speaker 1: resourceful because when you lack, that's when you have to
Speaker 1: be resourceful. And everything that was like even within my life,
Speaker 1: I learned to be more resourced.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say you were a part of like
Speaker 3: this golden age of underground hip hop. I call it.
Speaker 3: It's like the Raucous era, right, because you obviously were
Speaker 3: with Rockets for a sec.
Speaker 2: I only did a single with Raucus.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying first for a quick sec. But like
Speaker 3: I just think of that whole era of New York
Speaker 3: underground rap, right, because when we think of the term
Speaker 3: underground or backpack, it's really like to me, that pocket
Speaker 3: of like you know, there was la shit going on,
Speaker 3: like dilated people's and like a project blowed stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and then there was like in New York, there was
Speaker 3: most there was yourself, there was al A, the Rugged Man,
Speaker 3: there was all. There was just this whole movement going on,
Speaker 3: like for you like being a part of that movement,
Speaker 3: and like because nowadays, like I don't know if there's
Speaker 3: necessarily an underground anymore, because I think the Internet kind
Speaker 3: of just made everything so easily accessful to everybody, so
Speaker 3: there's just a bunch of niches. But like, did y'all
Speaker 3: kind of realize, like you guys are a part of
Speaker 3: this like really cool moment in hip hop history that
Speaker 3: I don't think has really been replicated in terms of
Speaker 3: just like that underground New York hip hop, say, thinking
Speaker 3: about the sound bombings and the tunnel and all this
Speaker 3: shit that was going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had no clue that that's what it
Speaker 1: was gonna be or what it actually was. All I
Speaker 1: knew is, you know, that movement represented the people that
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to be mainstream or had to follow the
Speaker 1: certain standards of commercial radio or what your label is
Speaker 1: and your A and rs and telling you this was
Speaker 1: the real raw artist, you know, I mean, the hungry
Speaker 1: motherfuckers that was just being resourceful however they can. But
Speaker 1: I literally did I know that it would turn into
Speaker 1: what it is today. Little did I know that I
Speaker 1: would even make it this far as an artist. You know,
Speaker 1: I could never have predicted that it would have been this.
Speaker 2: But you know, the.
Speaker 1: Underground shit, the backpack shit, it still exists because there's
Speaker 1: certain cities like LA, like Massachusetts, like New York where
Speaker 1: the underground still thrives heavy.
Speaker 3: I just mean in terms of like the newer artists,
Speaker 3: like I think that there's like still obviously like I
Speaker 3: think the closest thing we have to that it's kind
Speaker 3: of like we've seen with like guys like thirty eight,
Speaker 3: specially Griselda and kind of what they've been able to
Speaker 3: do in terms of like still selling vinyl and but
Speaker 3: it's still more accessible like Benny the Butcher's doing records
Speaker 3: with two chains.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think back in the day to think that like
Speaker 3: Talb and jay Z could do a song together was
Speaker 3: so far fetched because it felt like they were so
Speaker 3: far apart, even though they were never that far apart.
Speaker 3: But like from a fan's perspective, the commercial shit and
Speaker 3: the underground shit were so far apart, even though they
Speaker 3: weren't really you know what I mean, Like, but there
Speaker 3: was kind of like a segregation.
Speaker 1: Kind of because a lot of people, especially in the mainstream,
Speaker 1: they looked down on the underground, like it wasn't the
Speaker 1: thorough dudes or the street dudes were I'm a street dude,
Speaker 1: so I was doing underground music. It just was we
Speaker 1: were creative beyond anything, and some of the street dudes
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. So that's what separated. But
Speaker 1: I always said this as well, like when they were
Speaker 1: saying hip hop was dead, the underground was the life
Speaker 1: support keeping it alive for a long Sure, sure we
Speaker 1: was the motherfucking heartbeat of hip hop, you know, making
Speaker 1: sure that it was pure as far as the culture
Speaker 1: is concerned.
Speaker 3: Did you ever attend the Lyricist Lounge stuff back in
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's why I got started.
Speaker 3: What was that like? Because I just read I remember
Speaker 3: I bought the Lyricist Lounge double disc that came in
Speaker 3: the cardboard sleeve, and then there was the one that
Speaker 3: had the Oh No on it, which I think was
Speaker 3: two or three. But then there was the TV show
Speaker 3: which was way ahead of its time, right It was
Speaker 3: super ahead of its time because I think about how
Speaker 3: big wildin Out is. That was kind of like kind
Speaker 3: of the first inclination that but Lyricists Lounge originally was
Speaker 3: like was it a monthly event or how often were
Speaker 3: they doing lyricists lounges in New York?
Speaker 2: If varied, man, it could have been every week.
Speaker 3: What was that like though? And like, what were the
Speaker 3: other MC's that you know you were brushing shoulders with
Speaker 3: at Lyricist Lounge.
Speaker 1: It was full of hungry mcs that when you showed
Speaker 1: up you got a rhyme.
Speaker 2: Everybody's rhyming fucked the stage.
Speaker 1: We could be outside the cipher go on all night outside,
Speaker 1: it goes on in the bathroom. That's where niggas went
Speaker 1: to really shop in their shit and see what you was.
Speaker 1: You know, I met Danny Castro from the Lyricis Lounge.
Speaker 1: You had an ascap event where they were playing demos,
Speaker 1: and they played my demo and I remember when one
Speaker 1: of my songs came out, you know, the crowd went
Speaker 1: crazy in a fucking listening party. So he approached me
Speaker 1: to perform. I've never performed on stage ever in my life.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So when Danny invited me. That was the first show
Speaker 1: I ever did. I went to a Lyvers's Lounge showcase.
Speaker 1: I performed along with Mass the fool you know, and
Speaker 1: shut it down for my first show ever. That fucking
Speaker 1: that should appeared in like twenty thirty magazines the photo
Speaker 1: that said what happened that night. But I also was
Speaker 1: a part of the TV show. When we were recording
Speaker 1: the Lyris's Lounge album, we would get into ciphers even
Speaker 1: in the studio, attacking each other in ron form, and
Speaker 1: that's how they got the idea for the TV show
Speaker 1: because we carried our conversations that way and they was like, hey,
Speaker 1: that shit is genius.
Speaker 2: You know it was myself Wordsworth.
Speaker 1: Wordsworth was a beast with as al skills was involved.
Speaker 1: So just the way we were interacting and they were filming,
Speaker 1: they got the ideas for the show and then you
Speaker 1: know the rest was history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that show man. I feel like maybe five seven
Speaker 3: years too early, because I think like man Lyricists Lounge
Speaker 3: would have went crazy and like twoy twelve or something
Speaker 3: twenty ten. Like I just feel like because I when
Speaker 3: I watch because I watched Wilding Out, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: wilding Out is really like a like a like it's
Speaker 3: really like a battling show. Like you know, it's mixed
Speaker 3: with comedy, it's mixed with like, but it's like really
Speaker 3: like it's kind of dope because it's kind of the
Speaker 3: raw form of like punchlines.
Speaker 2: The Lyvers's Lounge Show was theatrical, super theatrical.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of makeup involved costumes and that's
Speaker 1: what I love.
Speaker 2: Hey, don't be surprised if you see another version.
Speaker 3: It was the Lyricis Lounge of the show. For people
Speaker 3: never saw it. It was kind of like if you
Speaker 3: mix Dave Chappelle and Wilding Out together. Yep, Chappelle showing
Speaker 3: Wilding Out together.
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Some of our writers on The Levers's Lounge Show were
Speaker 1: actually the writers from in Living Color. Oh wow that
Speaker 1: we had behind the scenes man, so and it was
Speaker 1: tremendous fun doing that show because same thing. We go
Speaker 1: fucking film right all day and then we you know,
Speaker 1: we rented houses and lived together. When we get back home,
Speaker 1: motherfuckers is going at it all night, rom and like
Speaker 1: attacking you know, just ciphers.
Speaker 2: So it was a beautiful time. Man.
Speaker 3: You were super close with Juice, right jay Weiss.
Speaker 2: I just went to see Juice yesterday. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know he was in Callie.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is when I first got Napster, when the
Speaker 3: Napster wave happened, so my best friend's brothers and dilated
Speaker 3: people's So when I was a kid, I was around
Speaker 3: them a lot, like Roka and Evidence and those guys.
Speaker 3: But I saw Supernatural open up one of their shows
Speaker 3: and it fucking blew my mind. Crazy shit I ever
Speaker 3: saw as a twelve year old kid watching Supernatural spin
Speaker 3: around and turn into bust of rhymes and take people's
Speaker 3: IDs and fucking insane. But I remember like one of
Speaker 3: the first things I downloaded, I downloaded the Big l
Speaker 3: jay Z seven minute Freestyle on Napster, and then I
Speaker 3: downloaded the Juice Supernatural Battle whatever one I downloaded on Napster.
Speaker 3: Then I discovered Juice and I was like, Damn, this
Speaker 3: dude is fucking mean. Like it's crazy that there's like
Speaker 3: this pocketive like MC's that in the grand scheme of
Speaker 3: like where we consider like the greatest right just for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, don't get their flowers, like Juice is one
Speaker 3: of those guys.
Speaker 1: Well, those flowers are coming, man, because we all united
Speaker 1: right now to Supernatural me and we got a lot
Speaker 1: of things planning, man.
Speaker 2: So it's like I always seen EMC's.
Speaker 1: Like that with those level of skill sets as forever.
Speaker 2: They're the lifers, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they don't have the promotions or the label deals,
Speaker 1: but they skill set, you know, keeps them relevant forever.
Speaker 1: Like I just brought Supernat out recent recently to do
Speaker 1: a show in Orlando.
Speaker 2: Orlando, never seen anything like that.
Speaker 3: If you've never seen him before and you see him,
Speaker 3: you're just.
Speaker 2: Like, never seen anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we and that's what I try to incorporate
Speaker 1: in like the functions and show you we bring out
Speaker 1: not the popular month the skilled, most skilled motherfuckers you
Speaker 1: can the mass.
Speaker 3: They could also just entertain you at a show like
Speaker 3: this is true. If you are watching Supernat do what
Speaker 3: he does, you are dialed in live, You're just like,
Speaker 3: what is happening?
Speaker 1: This is insane and it's crazy because they both my friends, right,
Speaker 1: They both people that I would stay at their house,
Speaker 1: they would come to Miles we Rhyn forever and then
Speaker 1: they battle, right, So everybody.
Speaker 2: Always asked me who's better?
Speaker 1: Who didn't I'm like, listen, they both of them are
Speaker 1: the greatest I've ever seen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think the one I had it felt like Juice
Speaker 3: won the battle that I had on CD.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a different, you know, perception, that's what.
Speaker 3: Because I didn't download that battle for Juice. I just down.
Speaker 3: I just searched up Supernatural Freestyle and hit download and
Speaker 3: I was like, who's this other guy? This is crazy?
Speaker 1: Like, well, my job is to have them together, so
Speaker 1: you see how dangerous they are alone, imagine together.
Speaker 3: Give me because obviously you were a part of the
Speaker 3: rap Olympics, right, which were, for people who don't know,
Speaker 3: very pivotal to a lot of people's careers. But I
Speaker 3: mean specifically, we always hear you know, Eminem is synonymous
Speaker 3: with the rap Olympics and his kind of a part
Speaker 3: of his story, and you were a part of his
Speaker 3: team when you did the rap Olympics, right, who'd you
Speaker 3: guys go against?
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe it was Project blowed out of
Speaker 1: La Yep. I believe they were the only ones that
Speaker 1: showed up. There was a long roster of teams that
Speaker 1: were supposed to be there from like every popular rap
Speaker 1: group that was out. Fuji's was supposed to have a team.
Speaker 1: There was you know, different representatives from crews. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and nobody showed up. Everybody on my team was a
Speaker 1: master in freestyle and off the head, you know, Jews, Eminem, myself, Wordsworth, Quest,
Speaker 1: the mad lad like sit in the room with us
Speaker 1: and you fucking get blown. Even Craig g was out
Speaker 1: there hanging out with us, like staying with us and
Speaker 1: things like that.
Speaker 2: So but it was a big moment, man, I.
Speaker 3: Was gonna say, like for you, like, I just remember
Speaker 3: Eminem being a real backpack rapper. I guess back then
Speaker 3: if you knew about him, you knew about him. But
Speaker 3: he was definitively like an underground guy, like he was
Speaker 3: on sound Bombing two, he did an any Man record.
Speaker 3: He obviously bad versus Evil with him or bad Me,
Speaker 3: tivil Roi and Royce, and he was definitely like you know, shit,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say no different, but like there was guys
Speaker 3: like him classified. There was guys like in that kind
Speaker 3: of like you know, the white boy rapper who could
Speaker 3: spit like crazy, and then it was just like a
Speaker 3: switch got flipped and it's the Doctor Dre switch of course,
Speaker 3: But like how crazy was that for you to kind
Speaker 3: of see a peer, just go from like, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: battling with this dude in the cipher and he's doing
Speaker 3: the MTV VMA's and he's an absolute superstar. And it's
Speaker 3: not like like Eminem was like a lyrical rapper, Like
Speaker 3: he was likely lyrical, miracle, spiritual dude. So like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you heard his records prior to him getting a
Speaker 3: dre you would never think like he was even capable
Speaker 3: of making crossover records.
Speaker 1: I always believed it because but his talent was just
Speaker 1: so crazy. Being around him, man, it's like I knew
Speaker 1: he was destined. I knew because his talent blew every
Speaker 1: one way. You know, we had a big mutual respect
Speaker 1: for what we both were able to do. Now, I
Speaker 1: knew at any moment something was going to happen, and
Speaker 1: he was really the actual factual truth.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I always me when when when I credit anyone or
Speaker 1: anybody in the industry, I base everything off skills first,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's important for me and
Speaker 1: skills first. I don't care about nothing else. He had
Speaker 1: the skills to take it there, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: but you know, I was around several artists, and I've
Speaker 1: seen them blow up. You know, I've seen most and quality.
Speaker 1: I've seen this that you know, as far as my
Speaker 1: peers are concerned, I've seen them take off. I've seen
Speaker 1: them take off. I've seen so many of us. And
Speaker 1: then all it did was give me hope. It showed
Speaker 1: me that it's possible to see the level that M
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: To him like I'm next, I'm coming.
Speaker 1: And even to this day, where I've never I've never
Speaker 1: had a situation, i've never had a record deal, I've
Speaker 1: never had any of that. But I always knew is
Speaker 1: that if I stay in it to win it, and
Speaker 1: I stay consistent, my day is gonna eventually come. And
Speaker 1: that's everybody's thing. As long as you put in the work,
Speaker 1: you will have eventually reached that motherfucking status that where
Speaker 1: even if I had to do it myself, and which
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: But this is not even the end. This, I feel
Speaker 2: like this is not even the beginning.
Speaker 3: Well, you got a new album with a hope like
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, feel me in on the producer's name.
Speaker 2: It's my tale guests, my dude mateo guests.
Speaker 3: All the albums.
Speaker 2: He did the entire production you know.
Speaker 1: Mateo Guess is from Framingham, Massachusetts. He been my close
Speaker 1: friend for you know, since he was a teenager. You know,
Speaker 1: I would hang out with him in the studio, him
Speaker 1: the entire Havoc house from out there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I met him through my other good friend Jackson, so
Speaker 1: you know, we just Matero Guests was like, besides myself, man,
Speaker 1: he's probably the most dedicated person to hip hop I
Speaker 1: ever met, where nothing else matters but hip hop and
Speaker 1: him pursuing hip hop and being a producer and living
Speaker 1: his life according to hip hop. So I mean, he
Speaker 1: came into a situation where financial situation where he's like, Yo, we.
Speaker 2: Can do it.
Speaker 1: We can make an album right now, push it. And
Speaker 1: he gave me a call and we decided to work
Speaker 1: on an entire album. I've never done an entire album
Speaker 1: with anyone besides myself being the producer producing the entire album,
Speaker 1: you know, but like I said, he was my brother.
Speaker 1: I was happy to do it. We were already working
Speaker 1: for years. Besides that, he's always produced something on my projects.
Speaker 1: We've always hung out. We've always just been friends if
Speaker 1: that's all we had. But he produced this whole album.
Speaker 1: He definitely crushed it all the beats. You know, I actually
Speaker 1: got everything that I wanted. You know, we worked it
Speaker 1: slowly because I always wanted to make sure I had
Speaker 1: the right material. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we had that polished, you know, finished product that was
Speaker 1: I was definitely like proud of.
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Speaker 3: for you to be a part of so many errors
Speaker 3: right where people will buy vinyl, people buy CD. And
Speaker 3: now we got the streaming era of music, TikTok era
Speaker 3: of music. It's a lot more different. Is it harder
Speaker 3: to keep adjusting when it's like it feels like everyone's
Speaker 3: attention spans getting shorter and shorter? I mean, you have
Speaker 3: a built in fan base like that's gonna support like
Speaker 3: no matter what. But how are you evolving with just
Speaker 3: the business that's evolving from day to day, you know.
Speaker 2: Evolve a dissolve. Like I said, I make sure I
Speaker 2: stay in tuned right.
Speaker 1: I'm not a trend follower, but I will follow what's
Speaker 1: needed to push what I'm doing. You know, I might
Speaker 1: not be into certain things or actually even enjoy them,
Speaker 1: but I know if they're necessarily yes, I'm going to
Speaker 1: apply along with them and do and evolve as times evolving.
Speaker 1: I'm not changing my styff for nobody and shit like that.
Speaker 3: When I mean, I don't think. I think it would
Speaker 3: be crazy for you to do that, because your fans, they.
Speaker 2: They expect that crazy shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I'm also, in my opinion, I'm one of the
Speaker 1: most versatile artists ever because I switched so many different lanes.
Speaker 1: You know, I go from Spanish, Spanglish, reggae. I do
Speaker 1: fucking nasty shit like two Live Crew. I do extremely creative.
Speaker 1: I do massive punchline songs. So you know, you can't
Speaker 1: really box me as an artist. I can do the
Speaker 1: commercial ship all day long, and I could give you
Speaker 1: the roars hip hop you could imagine.
Speaker 3: Yo, I'm not tripping. You had a record on did
Speaker 3: you have a record on one of the Grand Tift autos.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 3: No, okay, maybe I'm tripping you know what. I maybe
Speaker 3: I'm confused because you were on Game for a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did a single with Game, the Polo Reeken that
Speaker 1: was shame.
Speaker 3: I remember they had they had some ship. They had
Speaker 3: the roy Ship that.
Speaker 1: They had the agalogic Corooky Monster, they had the Blase single.
Speaker 2: Shout out John Shukter two.
Speaker 3: Man shot Shaky green Man, Shacky Green is Everving the
Speaker 3: wild Guy. That dope store Vegas hip hopsite dot com,
Speaker 3: which was a fucking sick ass stores. Shout out to Piso.
Speaker 1: Pizo is the Man. I did a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: with Piso Man. I never even met him personally. I
Speaker 1: mean just super nice guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but I just remember like when I was
Speaker 3: a kid, when I went to Vegas, my parents were like,
Speaker 3: what do you want to do? I was like, there's
Speaker 3: a store if you could take Wow holder.
Speaker 2: You man thirty six, Oh wow, that's what uthing. My
Speaker 2: kids are older than you man.
Speaker 3: Went and bought a big L I want to bought
Speaker 3: a big L T shirt from that store hip hopsite
Speaker 3: dot com. Damn.
Speaker 1: I even did promos for them like, you know, songs
Speaker 1: and commercies.
Speaker 2: To advertise the site. Man.
Speaker 1: But Pizzo was a good dude man, Like we did
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff together, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: pushing my albums and things like that.
Speaker 2: They definitely supported me.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, as you being like the og
Speaker 3: guy who could go boost a whole store rack right
Speaker 3: from a Dillards or from wherever. When you see, like
Speaker 3: what's happening, because it's really listen, it's everywhere but California.
Speaker 3: They're making it really busy. They're getting busy out here,
Speaker 3: like they won't even stop you. That cops ain't even
Speaker 3: gonna arrest you. Like it is kind of like just
Speaker 3: from your perspective, do you like look back and be
Speaker 3: like damn, Like if we was out in Cali in
Speaker 3: eighty nine, we'd be eating.
Speaker 1: Nah, we'd have got caught because we ain't had no
Speaker 1: cars back then.
Speaker 2: So we had the subway system, and you got.
Speaker 3: To grab racks and run right to the subway.
Speaker 1: Straight to the subway and hit the tracks. Not wait
Speaker 1: for the train. You gotta hit the tracks and run.
Speaker 1: And now you're in danger. You could trip. You got rats,
Speaker 1: you got bums, you got work bums. You got homeless
Speaker 1: people living down there, Like.
Speaker 3: So you hit the tracks and you're hoping to get
Speaker 3: to the next Now you're not hoping, you getting gott
Speaker 3: to get there. Motherfucking right, we making it to them,
Speaker 3: anybody ever not make it.
Speaker 1: Many times, like you know, a lot of rushes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It wouldn't just be one store. That
Speaker 1: shit would continue the entire day, whether you just casually
Speaker 1: boosting or whatever. So along the routes people get caught
Speaker 1: all day long, but it never stops anyone from going
Speaker 1: to the next spot.
Speaker 2: Shit. Even McDonald's was hit, like.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just saying, like how many people at
Speaker 3: once would go in?
Speaker 1: It were very like it could be five sometimes and
Speaker 1: sometimes it could be fifty. It depends on where we're
Speaker 1: at and who's together, because we could just randomly be
Speaker 1: meeting up at a movie theater or something, and then
Speaker 1: a bunch of people show up out of nowhere, and
Speaker 1: then the talks start happening, the ideas thrown in the air,
Speaker 1: and motherfuckers are marching to stars after that.
Speaker 3: Crazy And I remember because I think of the artists
Speaker 3: who really embraced polo. Obviously, I think of you and
Speaker 3: I saw you say that Ray Kwan was kind of
Speaker 3: like an honorary low head, right.
Speaker 1: I mean we you know, we respect the whole wu man,
Speaker 1: and Ray Kwan is, like I said, we consider him
Speaker 1: one of us because he did it in the same
Speaker 1: style and fashion and all that. I even have Ray
Speaker 1: in my book and the Bury Meet with the Lawn,
Speaker 1: Yeah he has. He has a segment in my book
Speaker 1: where he speaks of all of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, he literally, like I can't even I don't
Speaker 3: know if Tommy Hill Figure would have been like Tommy
Speaker 3: Hill Figure. I really think when I think of Tommy
Speaker 3: Hill Figure, I think of Ray Kwan, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I think, like it's just crazy because like back then,
Speaker 3: were you kind of like were you like the polo
Speaker 3: plug for a lot of artists, Like if they needed
Speaker 3: some shit, would they just hit you?
Speaker 2: Nah? Nah? No, I was the one you scared the
Speaker 2: way your polo around. You know, you were the.
Speaker 3: Guy like, don't wear it around me because I might
Speaker 3: take that shit off you if I ain't seen that piece.
Speaker 2: Now, I was part of them dudes that taking it
Speaker 2: off your back. Let me get that. That's besides is
Speaker 2: that I was one of them dudes.
Speaker 3: How because because we always it's funny because we hear
Speaker 3: about that era, and it was it felt like a
Speaker 3: nineties thing where if you had Jordan's on or you
Speaker 3: had some gear on, Yo, run me the fit. I
Speaker 3: like that. I feel like that doesn't happen as much
Speaker 3: right like right now, it's more like, Yo, give me
Speaker 3: your watch, give me the jewelry. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: give me your French bulldog.
Speaker 1: But back then it was also that like it was everything.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the clothing. It's like, give me a chain,
Speaker 1: give me give me your girl.
Speaker 2: Wow, because low Life is so fly.
Speaker 1: When we're coming through your girls watching right, and possibly
Speaker 1: we're gonna take her too, She's gonna want to come
Speaker 1: with us. There's so many times when we're running deep,
Speaker 1: we had so many stragglers just follow us, and I
Speaker 1: mean women, people we don't know, because they would know
Speaker 1: what we were going to do and they would add
Speaker 1: on to the chaos and just jump in the mix
Speaker 1: out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: And that happened a lot.
Speaker 3: So at times you might be on the subway, fly, dude, you.
Speaker 2: Don't even gotta be fly.
Speaker 1: It could be a crackhead. Crackheads like in Tom Square
Speaker 1: with Jumping go On.
Speaker 3: I like those run me that hey fucking Obviously, years
Speaker 3: later Annie Up comes out right, which kind of like
Speaker 3: on a commercial level communicates to the rest of the
Speaker 3: world that you will get robbed for everything you have
Speaker 3: if you're come to Brownsville. How important, Like Annie Up
Speaker 3: is like the commercial Like obviously, MP had four Alarm Blaze,
Speaker 3: they had what's the their first album. I can't think
Speaker 3: of the name of their first album. I have it
Speaker 3: on CD. Hardcore hardcore? How about some hardcore? How about
Speaker 3: some hardcore? But like Annie Up was like a commercial
Speaker 3: worldwide Brownsville anthem, Like it really kind of like to
Speaker 3: me was like this is like, this is what we're
Speaker 3: about in Brownsville. Don't come over here and get caught slipping, you.
Speaker 1: Know, for us to even myself, I wasn't somebody robbing
Speaker 1: my people in Brownsville.
Speaker 2: We took that shit every place else, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: If anything, we protected a lot of people in Brownsville,
Speaker 1: protect where they live right and the people around it.
Speaker 2: But they also rob each other.
Speaker 1: But that's how you become built to withstand it, because
Speaker 1: once you go through it a couple of times and
Speaker 1: you learn how to hold it down and defend yourself,
Speaker 1: then you able to make that cease. That's how you
Speaker 1: earn your respect, and then from that point on people
Speaker 1: know not to bother you, not to bother your family
Speaker 1: because you're doing what you're supposed to do as far
Speaker 1: as survival. But do you know I'm modeled in Brownsville
Speaker 1: Man never Ran, Never Will.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, You've obviously had some experiences with Hope.
Speaker 3: It was another Brooklyn legend. What was your experiences coming
Speaker 3: up and being around jay Z.
Speaker 1: I mean, J's the goat to me. I agree, he's
Speaker 1: done today, he's the go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the goat.
Speaker 1: He deserves all the accolades at this point, and I
Speaker 1: salute him properly. But you know, I've even always followed
Speaker 1: his music. You know, I admired his skills, his style,
Speaker 1: everything about it, the evolution yep, yep, and everything he's become.
Speaker 1: Right now, I stand proud to say, as Brooklyn Baby
Speaker 1: Hope is actually one of the people interested in doing
Speaker 1: the low life story. Like most, you know, the sitdowns
Speaker 1: we have had were based around doing this film or
Speaker 1: this series or whatever it's supposed to be. But I
Speaker 1: mean all my interactions with him were mostly me trying
Speaker 1: to battle him, like trying to pull him out to
Speaker 1: battle me and things like that. So I got to
Speaker 1: a point one day where instead of asking him, I
Speaker 1: just spit at him, so he had to respond.
Speaker 2: And you know, I.
Speaker 1: Could tell this story forever because you know, being who
Speaker 1: he is, not many people could say they actually would
Speaker 1: step the j in attempt to battle, you know, because
Speaker 1: I'm a monster with it.
Speaker 2: My punchlines are the truth and all of that.
Speaker 3: But do you recall what year that happened.
Speaker 2: Ninety six?
Speaker 3: Wow, So that's like reasonable Dow reasonable.
Speaker 1: Dot era when he had Rockefeller offices like downtown.
Speaker 2: So one day I was demo shopping.
Speaker 1: So when I made my first demo, I had my
Speaker 1: first five songs from a four track, you know, I
Speaker 1: had a bio with a head shot, and I probably
Speaker 1: had fifty packages in my truck that day, and I
Speaker 1: went to death Jam. I put one on everybody's desk.
Speaker 1: I went to the Sauce, I spit for the unsigned
Speaker 1: high they gave me the column and then I went
Speaker 1: to Rockefeller and with the day I went there to
Speaker 1: just to take my package. Jay Z was actually in
Speaker 1: the office and they called him out to come see me.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, he knew who I was and all that,
Speaker 2: because I also worked at MTV for years and.
Speaker 1: Most of the artists that would come to MTV to
Speaker 1: do whatever work, I would step to them to battle,
Speaker 1: and that's where I used to approach Jay most of
Speaker 1: the time. I even approached him at the Video Music
Speaker 1: Awards one time.
Speaker 3: Crazy, They're like, what's up?
Speaker 2: We're going battle?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: You know? I would do that constantly anytime I seen him.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy to think, well, how did first of all,
Speaker 3: how did that go? And he spit back?
Speaker 2: Oh nah? He would always be like, you're not ready.
Speaker 3: So you wrapped up? You spit at him?
Speaker 2: Not those times.
Speaker 1: Only the last time was I didn't ask him because
Speaker 1: every other time he just brushed me off and he's
Speaker 1: not trying to hear me. So I guess he didn't
Speaker 1: know what I possessed, so that last time he found out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he had to spit back because my rhyme also
Speaker 1: was something that was kind of going against everything he says.
Speaker 1: You know that it was against the drug wrapped the
Speaker 1: my rolex in lexus and texas.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: That either, you know, I was on it like that,
Speaker 1: but he definitely came back strong. You know, he definitely spit.
Speaker 1: He rolled the elevator with me down and we was
Speaker 1: on there getting busy.
Speaker 3: Do you do you remember any of your rhyme from
Speaker 3: that elevator.
Speaker 1: Right the rohms you were about to hear, nevertheless, of
Speaker 1: my own. This is for you, young and caees. Oh ma,
Speaker 1: how you've grown. You got bigger, better, strong, and much fast.
Speaker 1: I remember when you were smaller soul with a speech impediment,
Speaker 1: impediment and had asthma. You were comedian when you started
Speaker 1: doing stand up and when you come up with all
Speaker 1: these fucking stupid answers. The rhyms would be cute if
Speaker 1: you rote them on the pad that was pink. When
Speaker 1: themcs think they above the rim and make them realize
Speaker 1: they really below the sink before we.
Speaker 2: Battle check it out. I got these rules. You can't
Speaker 2: say nine time spine all that shit. Preschool.
Speaker 1: You could talk about coke deliveries that would never be here,
Speaker 1: shit like that. But I'm bugging that I actually remember
Speaker 1: that shit right now because it was also an a
Speaker 1: cappella that I put on that Brooklyn hall Rock sing
Speaker 1: who had one a cappella to go with it, and
Speaker 1: that was the acapella that I spit at Jay that day.
Speaker 3: Jesus, that's crazy man, shout out to ho. So we
Speaker 3: will be seeing the low life story in some form
Speaker 3: of fashion.
Speaker 1: You will be saying this on many forms because my
Speaker 1: you know, aspect, and my part of the story.
Speaker 2: Is only one camera angle. There's so many stories.
Speaker 1: There's so many low lifes that there's so many different
Speaker 1: stories involved in. So the story you're going to see
Speaker 1: is just from my perspective, but I'm sure there will
Speaker 1: be other perspectives coming into.
Speaker 3: Play at a point in time, how because I think,
Speaker 3: like I was here about the hip hop police back then,
Speaker 3: obviously late eighties, nineties, heavy mafia times in New York City.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like the peak of like when the
Speaker 3: mafia kind of started to end. I guess was the
Speaker 3: early nineties. Were you guys like looked at as like
Speaker 3: a criminal organization at a certain point in time ATYPD.
Speaker 2: Of course, so it was in the books.
Speaker 1: One of my good friends worked at a youth incarcerated center, right,
Speaker 1: and he sent me a card one time. He sent
Speaker 1: me a photo of a card that when you come
Speaker 1: into the juvenile system, you had to fill out this
Speaker 1: card and it asked you which gang are you a
Speaker 1: part of? And Low Life was one of the boxes
Speaker 1: of the options to check off.
Speaker 2: Man, who would.
Speaker 3: Actually fill that out? Honestly, Like, let's just admit to
Speaker 3: being in a gang on this.
Speaker 2: A juvenile youth wants it to be known.
Speaker 1: He wants that critics because when he walks into that,
Speaker 1: he wants people to know his gang affiliation with Pride,
Speaker 1: And you know I know that from being a dumb
Speaker 1: juvenile youth as well.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait to see whatever comes out of
Speaker 3: the meeting.
Speaker 2: Many things are coming out.
Speaker 3: Is the album already out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, th Scillustrators on all digital platforms. I got features
Speaker 1: on there Me and Smooth the Hustler got a joint
Speaker 1: called Brownsville Legends. I got the rock Nance Monster and
Speaker 1: UG from Sellar Dwellers. We got a song called Lows
Speaker 1: and Cons basically telling the Low Life and Deceptor Con relationship.
Speaker 1: Because everybody always thought like we was against each other
Speaker 1: or you know, we was ops.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't in Brownsville. That wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Maybe in other areas because in Brownsville we was all
Speaker 1: family Lowlights and deceptor Cons.
Speaker 2: We actually lived in.
Speaker 3: The same neighborhood of the Decepticons.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a bunch of dudes on the
Speaker 1: train beating people up with hammers, man like the fucking
Speaker 1: home tool hammers and robbing everybody for walkman's and but
Speaker 1: they would be on the subway system like hundreds of
Speaker 1: motherfuckers coming through.
Speaker 3: That's like what you always hear, like because when you
Speaker 3: because like I never lived in New York. I think
Speaker 3: the first time I went to New York was two
Speaker 3: thousand and thirteen, and you hear about this crazy crime
Speaker 3: wave that was happening, and then you hear that Giuliani
Speaker 3: cleaned it up.
Speaker 2: I guess cleaned it up and did it.
Speaker 3: Was it like a thing when he became mayor, you
Speaker 3: really noticed.
Speaker 1: The change was unexplainable. You know, he imposed the quality
Speaker 1: of life law. And remember New York City, you get
Speaker 1: on the subway with your liquor bottle, your bier bottle.
Speaker 1: Giuliani stopped at that helped cause niggas was on the
Speaker 1: train drunk wild. You know, there was all kind of
Speaker 1: shit going on in New York city, but he definitely
Speaker 1: cleaned it up. I believe it's back to being the
Speaker 1: dirty New York. It once was even Times Square that
Speaker 1: got cleaned up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was just a Time Square a while ago.
Speaker 1: And now it's back to the dude, the dirty Deuce days,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: There's all the scammer is out, laders is out, bootlegers,
Speaker 1: the three called Mally dude is back. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the dude with the little balls, the cap dude.
Speaker 2: Yo. When I've seen that recently, I seen that, I'm like,
Speaker 2: the Deuce is back.
Speaker 3: I was in south By, Southwest and I did not
Speaker 3: know about this.
Speaker 2: You ain't know.
Speaker 3: And so We're in front of this liquor store in
Speaker 3: like twenty fourteen, fifteen some shit, and I'm watching this
Speaker 3: dude and I don't realize that the guy I'm watching
Speaker 3: to win is with them, you know. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is this is easy, h Those motherfucker's are magicians.
Speaker 2: Not. It's also a scam.
Speaker 1: There's always a dude they're betting that they're allowing to win,
Speaker 1: and you think you could win as soon as you
Speaker 1: place the bet.
Speaker 3: I just tell everybody, if you're out and you see
Speaker 3: a guy with a little plate and he's got three
Speaker 3: soda caps and a little ballpaper. Don't play the game.
Speaker 3: You will fucking lose. When I was, and it's never
Speaker 3: and if you're gonna play, it's never the one you
Speaker 3: think it is. Pick any of the other two that
Speaker 3: you don't think it is.
Speaker 2: No, they make you think it's one. They do something right.
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, around ten, I used
Speaker 1: to live with my uncle on one hundred and sixth
Speaker 1: Street in one hundred and sixteenth Street in Spanish hallm
Speaker 1: by Lexington Avenue, and I remember outside of my building
Speaker 1: the three car Mary dude used to be there every.
Speaker 2: Day and one day I'm watching them. I'm only ten, and.
Speaker 1: I noticed that the card that was the red card
Speaker 1: was kind of bent.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking, as a ten year old kid.
Speaker 1: Yo, this guy don't realize that it's bent. That's the one.
Speaker 1: And I remember telling my aunt, yo, he don't know
Speaker 1: his car's bent, you know, give me twenty dollars a
Speaker 1: place yet, and she was like, no, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: So they actually bend the car and leave it bent
Speaker 1: for a while. As soon as you place the bet,
Speaker 1: they bend a different one. So you're gonna pick the
Speaker 1: wrong one every time.
Speaker 3: So they have got those guys with those three caps
Speaker 3: and that little ball. They took me for like seven
Speaker 3: hundred dollars south Southwest.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: I was hot. I was like, there's no way this
Speaker 3: is I was just seven hundred. These guys were banned.
Speaker 3: It was just yeah, and I just saw it just
Speaker 3: like there's it's like the casino, like these guys just
Speaker 3: there's something about the flick of the wrist or it's
Speaker 3: like they're magicians. Like literally, they're kind of you know,
Speaker 3: magicians are really.
Speaker 2: Good magic trick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slid of handshit. It's kind of wild. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you think New York is getting back to how
Speaker 3: it was when it was just terrible, because you keep
Speaker 3: hearing that the crime is is grown exponentially since the pandemic. Obviously,
Speaker 3: is Eric Adams the new mayor, Yeah, who was supposed
Speaker 3: to be more hip hop than hip hop mayor? Why
Speaker 3: I heard de Blasio kind of just has shit fucked up,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think during the pandemic the crime
Speaker 1: rate increased, increased that two hundred percent, that's what they
Speaker 1: was advertising, two hundred percent.
Speaker 2: She was out of control.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could survive that shit and move
Speaker 1: out and go someplace else, you dominate anywhere you go.
Speaker 1: New York is a fucking animal, man, If you could
Speaker 1: survive there, If you could survive there, like like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's true. Who said that, Old Blue Eyes? If you
Speaker 1: can make it there, you can make it anywhere.
Speaker 2: I believe if you.
Speaker 1: Could make it there, you could conquer anywhere because the
Speaker 1: mentality and aggression you get from being trained and raised
Speaker 1: in New York, especially if you were in that subway
Speaker 1: every day, packed crowded, million personalities from all different ethnic
Speaker 1: groups and shit like that. Yo, you get that, that's
Speaker 1: the best training you could ever have.
Speaker 3: Did you, guys ever back then? Because like I said,
Speaker 3: that's like peak Mafia, towards the end of the peak Mafia,
Speaker 3: did you ever have any run ins with I mean
Speaker 3: Brownsville and obviously it was not a mafia area, but
Speaker 3: obviously just being in New York would you ever have
Speaker 3: run ins with any of those guys or because that
Speaker 3: was I mean, I've just been doing such deep dives
Speaker 3: recently on YouTube with a lot of the New York
Speaker 3: shit and like damn, like they really had their hands
Speaker 3: in so much construction, and I mean Michael Francese was
Speaker 3: like had the gas thing going, and there was just
Speaker 3: it almost felt like if you were kind of a
Speaker 3: part of the underworld in some capacity, like you had
Speaker 3: to rub shoulders with with that lifestyle a little bit,
Speaker 3: even if it was inadvertently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, man, and in several different instances in life,
Speaker 1: you know, from when I would ride my bike through
Speaker 1: like Howard Beach and Ozone Park from Brownsville, like going
Speaker 1: to far Rockaway, and I've been chased through those neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: like you know, on bike by a bunch of dudes,
Speaker 1: this mafia area. They try to run you over on
Speaker 1: the highway, you know, just to prevent you from coming
Speaker 1: through here. Even Michael Griffin, man who who actually got
Speaker 1: killed in Howard Beach, was a friend of mine.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, so there were many situations man, that dealt
Speaker 1: with them. I also worked with a coalition that would
Speaker 1: you know, I guess they call it scape scaping, like
Speaker 1: construction sites for jobs and things like that. Where where
Speaker 1: when it was time to go to these construction site,
Speaker 1: these were the mob dudes. So you got a bunch
Speaker 1: of black dudes coming to try to get jobs from
Speaker 1: the mob dudes. And there was a arc ball from
Speaker 1: Brownsville where he had the company at the spot called
Speaker 1: Operation Future, which is also the a law school. And
Speaker 1: I believe his life was threatened and you know, they
Speaker 1: was attempting to kill him and all that because.
Speaker 3: They had so much to do with like the labor
Speaker 3: force and like unions and like the construction companies in general,
Speaker 3: like who's getting contracts.
Speaker 2: And for many years, maybe since the twenties and thirties.
Speaker 3: That right was really ended in the nineties, like early nineties.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, I just always wondered, like, damn, like
Speaker 3: how crazy would it been to just like be in
Speaker 3: New York during those times? Like last question, give me
Speaker 3: the most legendary or intense cipher. They don't have to
Speaker 3: be the same cipher. They could be different ciphers that
Speaker 3: you've ever been a part of.
Speaker 1: Wow, damn, that's that's I can't even I've been in
Speaker 1: a million ciphers with a bunch of monsters, man, So
Speaker 1: everybody was like massive, you know, even ciphering with M,
Speaker 1: Like you know, me and M would cipher all M
Speaker 1: would come to Brownsville.
Speaker 3: EM and then would come to Brownsville.
Speaker 2: Eminem would come to Brownsville two three in the morning.
Speaker 1: Really, Paul Rosenberg come to Brownsville to my project, really
Speaker 1: and we ron even Paul Rosenberg would ryn that's how,
Speaker 1: that's how like inspiring me and M's like rhyme session
Speaker 1: was that other people were jumping because we only freestyle.
Speaker 2: We didn't really spit no written shit or nothing like that.
Speaker 3: So Eminem was coming to Brownsville. Now this is this
Speaker 3: can't be.
Speaker 1: It's in the nineties, like ninety seven, ninety eight, So
Speaker 1: this is when he this.
Speaker 3: Is right right around the time, like you know, he
Speaker 3: was doing like a wake up show and like doing
Speaker 3: this before.
Speaker 1: All of the four before we started hitting. Because once
Speaker 1: we were introduced, then we became friends and you know,
Speaker 1: we stayed involved with each other and even Paul became
Speaker 1: my lawyer at the time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So Eminem comes to Brownsville two or three in the morning,
Speaker 3: anybody give him any hell? Like, who's this the white
Speaker 3: boy for walking over here at two in the morning.
Speaker 1: If you coming to my house, ain't nobody bothering you?
Speaker 1: I know everybody here. So it's like and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of love there. It ain't as crazy as everybody thinks.
Speaker 1: Because the people love each other and they protect the area.
Speaker 1: So if you're coming in there, they know you're going
Speaker 1: to see someone, they make sure you all right.
Speaker 3: You know Eminem at Brownsville two in.
Speaker 1: The morning, Facts and Rome and his ass off all night. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, couldn't stop.
Speaker 3: Wow. Anybody ever gets so offended in a sight for
Speaker 3: you or a part of not say it was from
Speaker 3: you that that that violence ensued.
Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted violence, but I was always
Speaker 1: disrespectful with strengths.
Speaker 3: Some of these battles or somebody will say something and
Speaker 3: then they'll get slapped.
Speaker 1: I mean, you say, my mother or my kids or
Speaker 1: whatever might get stab motherfucker. That's why in today's you
Speaker 1: know world about I can't do that because I'm disrespect
Speaker 1: I'm not with it, like I'm disrespectful, and i know
Speaker 1: it's being a battle, but I've never touched your mother's subjects.
Speaker 3: Or and like not to say that. I don't want
Speaker 3: to blanket the back because I'm not as in tune
Speaker 3: with the battle world as most people are that are
Speaker 3: into that. But I think it's less about the cleverness
Speaker 3: of the bar and more about the level of disrespect.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it feels that way.
Speaker 1: Because those are bars. A punchline is just a joke exactly.
Speaker 1: That's to be little you. So the more disrespect you you,
Speaker 1: disrespectful you are, the more you be little in the motherfucker.
Speaker 1: My whole thing was to belittle you and disrespect you.
Speaker 1: I even made people battle me, Like, if you're famous,
Speaker 1: you're not walking by me. I'm standing in front of you,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna rob you and we're gonna battle.
Speaker 3: Okay. Besides, jay Z, give me an example of somebody
Speaker 3: that we would know that you did that with where
Speaker 3: you made them have to.
Speaker 1: Well, one person I battled, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I worked at MTV.
Speaker 3: So everybody's walking in and out yet.
Speaker 2: And then out.
Speaker 1: So I worked at UH I think it was like
Speaker 1: ninety five. I worked that Fashionably Loud. It was like
Speaker 1: a big fashion show. It was almost as big as
Speaker 1: the VMAs.
Speaker 2: To where.
Speaker 1: We're working at the Hammerstein Ballroom and they, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy on the walkie. They say, hey, we
Speaker 1: got so and so walking in. Somebody take him up.
Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, Coolio's coming in and he needs
Speaker 1: to come up in the elevator. I'm like, I got
Speaker 1: it copy, so now I get Now I get in
Speaker 1: the Coolio comes in with an entourage right list in
Speaker 1: peace Coolio America. My respect for him after that day,
Speaker 1: pro through the roof, Get on the elevator, close it up.
Speaker 1: You know, we on a freight elevator. He got about
Speaker 1: four or five dudes with him. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big dude too, So I'm standing there, what's.
Speaker 2: Up, Coolio? You want to battle?
Speaker 1: And then everybody looked and said what even even the dudes.
Speaker 1: He was always like, yo, this West Coast man. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, but yo, Coolio just started spitting. And
Speaker 1: I knew he had skills beyond the the record the
Speaker 1: commercial hits he had because I did buy his albums,
Speaker 1: the WC and the Mad Circle. You know, when I
Speaker 1: was in prison, I used to buy everybody's stuff through
Speaker 1: the mail. And so he automatically got busy and we
Speaker 1: went at it for a little while, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was respectful, you know, respectful. We didn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't no disrespect, but he showed me that he
Speaker 1: was a real MC and he was really about this
Speaker 1: hip hop shit. And ever since that day, whenever I
Speaker 1: spoke with Coolio because most people in New York City,
Speaker 1: they weren't familiar with w C and the Mad Circle,
Speaker 1: so they only knew Coolio from the the Big Hits
Speaker 1: and all that. So when I spoke about him anytime
Speaker 1: in New York City, I let them know Coolios and
Speaker 1: real hip hop dude MC and Official you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: And God rest is soul. I mean, Coolio was one
Speaker 3: of the most famous rappers on the planet for about
Speaker 3: three years straight. I mean, as a kid, you would just.
Speaker 1: You couldn't go over with I seen Coolio is about it, man.
Speaker 1: But I've also I've stepped everybody. Man, I stepped the
Speaker 1: rock him working at MTV.
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Speaker 1: And I remember he was coming into MTV building and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you'll rob us up you win a battle.
Speaker 1: So he was like, well, and we went to the
Speaker 1: side right, and then I spit my balls and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's nice, that's nice. So he didn't
Speaker 1: take it as a battle. He just told me my
Speaker 1: shit was good and all that, you know, And I
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, this is the god. I'm not being
Speaker 1: disrespectful in no form, but my approach. Member, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a true New York hip hop culture do so.
Speaker 1: I'm a breakdancer who battled the whole Brownsville. I went
Speaker 1: to the rocks. He's just a battle like I never danced.
Speaker 1: Only dance I ever did was a breakdance. So and
Speaker 1: I only went to the clubs in those days to battle.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy to just think, like you're in the elevator, Hey,
Speaker 3: what's up, Coolio? You want to battle?
Speaker 2: Did that?
Speaker 3: Did you ever get yelled at by MTV for trying
Speaker 3: to battle everybody?
Speaker 2: Nah? Because I did it very discreetly and like if.
Speaker 3: My producer right here was like, hey, what's up, Thursty nice?
Speaker 3: Do you want to battle, I'd be like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? You're embarrassing.
Speaker 2: No, I never did it. I never did it in
Speaker 2: front of you know, bro charge of shit. So no,
Speaker 2: I told you.
Speaker 1: I was just on another show this weekend. They asked
Speaker 1: me about my bust the battle because me and Buster
Speaker 1: went at it one night at the tunnel. I probably
Speaker 1: told this story fifty times. I'm at a red light.
Speaker 1: Buster pulls up besides me and shout out bust because
Speaker 1: you know, he just got the bigger war lifetime achievement.
Speaker 2: And I only tell the story because.
Speaker 1: He deserves everything he has right now who he is,
Speaker 1: and also because he's still that dude that's gonna get
Speaker 1: at you when it's time to fletch your shit.
Speaker 2: Right. So I'm at a red light. Buster pulls up
Speaker 2: beside me.
Speaker 1: You know, we're at the Tunnel Nightclub where you circle
Speaker 1: the block looking for parking.
Speaker 2: I guess they doing the same.
Speaker 1: So when he pulled up beside me, he's in the
Speaker 1: passenger seat. I'm in the driver's seat of my truck.
Speaker 1: And I looked at him, said, Buster, you want a battle, nigga?
Speaker 1: That nigga looked at me and said what I said,
Speaker 1: pull over, nigga. He said no, and he started splitting.
Speaker 2: And went at it. Yo.
Speaker 1: He was going so hard that the light churned green
Speaker 1: and everything. Now we got traffic backed up, all the horns.
Speaker 3: He gets a battle through the car windows.
Speaker 1: Through the car window. Then we pulled over and went
Speaker 1: at it for like an hour. You and Buster rhymes
Speaker 1: Me and Buster. I didn't even have a demo act
Speaker 1: outside of the tunnel. Outside the Tunnel Nightclub in New
Speaker 1: York City, like on Eleventh Avenue twenty. It was right
Speaker 1: when he began to promote the Wuha single.
Speaker 2: It hasn't dropped.
Speaker 3: Yet, first album buster.
Speaker 2: This is first single.
Speaker 1: Before the yep buzzy. Yeah, so this is that buster.
Speaker 2: But like I said, man, he he got busy.
Speaker 1: So these are the people that really lived that shit.
Speaker 1: That's why it's nothing for them. They don't feel disrespected
Speaker 1: because he's also built that way. That's what he comes from.
Speaker 1: I say the same about Coolio. And there was a
Speaker 1: lot of rappers that when, you know, because it got
Speaker 1: to the point I would go to the tunnel every week.
Speaker 1: I stopped going inside. I'm sitting outside with my truck.
Speaker 1: Everybody who walked up, I'm stepping to him. I remember Pudgy,
Speaker 1: the Fat Bass They walked up one day. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, you gotta do this with me
Speaker 1: right now, Pudgy, we gotta get this in. And we
Speaker 1: moved off to the side. You know, we wrapped back
Speaker 1: and forth. But you know, he was focused on getting
Speaker 1: up in the club, you know. But there was how
Speaker 1: crazy was the tunnel?
Speaker 2: Oh man, you have to be a thug to go
Speaker 2: up in there.
Speaker 1: All pretty lady, because you know, I've been going to
Speaker 1: the tunnel since the eighties. The eighties was popping with
Speaker 1: the tunnel.
Speaker 3: Had I just think of people in like like puffy
Speaker 3: goose jackets, Timberland's and you know, fucking scullies.
Speaker 2: Some of that.
Speaker 1: But whatever the trends were at that time, a lot
Speaker 1: of jewelry, gold change, you know. And and the thing
Speaker 1: was it was full of like all the thugs from
Speaker 1: all the different projects and neighborhoods with all the pick.
Speaker 3: Up kids wait outside of the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, matter of fact, like a couple of blocks away,
Speaker 1: there's a project near there.
Speaker 3: Those dudes were eating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot not everybody had a Carter's in
Speaker 1: New York City, so you would have to drive.
Speaker 2: I mean you would take.
Speaker 1: The train and maybe walk the five or six blocks
Speaker 1: through their area. And they knew that that was these
Speaker 1: motherfuckerss robbing dudes all the time, you know.
Speaker 2: But there was also dudes that circled the block waiting
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: To come out Friday night, Saturday night. That was a
Speaker 1: Sunday night, Sunday nights at the tunnel.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. Shout out to the tunnel. I just the
Speaker 3: only thing I know about the Tunnel is it was
Speaker 3: a hell of a funk Flex and Big Cap album
Speaker 3: Rested Beast the Big CAP's Peace Cap. Well, listen, I
Speaker 3: appreciate you man. The new album's out right now.
Speaker 2: Skillustrated all digital platforms.
Speaker 1: Like I said, check the website Thirst and How the
Speaker 1: Third dot Com. Check my YouTube page, watch all my
Speaker 1: movies on my videos I'm on ig Facebook, Thirst and
Speaker 1: How the Third on everything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And hopefully we get the story of the Low Life soon.
Speaker 2: Hope is here, Baby, It's coming. Hope is here. Hope
Speaker 2: is it live?
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it. Nah, who would you cast?
Speaker 3: Play yourself?
Speaker 1: I got a couple of people in mind, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say yet, so that way I don't put
Speaker 1: them on points to where they're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how much to hit me in the head for, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But I got some good ones. You know.
Speaker 1: We've been pursued in this story for over twenty years,
Speaker 1: like myself and Mark Levin from Blowback Productions, and in
Speaker 1: the beginning in the early two thousands, I had chosen
Speaker 1: Rick Gonzalez to play me, you know, and he was
Speaker 1: the perfect, perfect Yeah. The only problem is now is
Speaker 1: that you know he's he's older and this is this
Speaker 1: is a young role, you know. Yeah, Rick is busy man,
Speaker 1: and he would have been to me. He's still perfect,
Speaker 1: but the role is for it begins as a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like you need somebody kind of like
Speaker 3: relatively unknown.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're gone with Toro to change
Speaker 1: their yeah, career, That's exactly how we're thinking. Man, we
Speaker 1: want to give somebody that opportunities.
Speaker 3: And Snowfall like no, like now that dude is the
Speaker 3: hottest and that show put him in place. The Wire,
Speaker 3: the Wire, the wires. How many actors from the Wire
Speaker 3: can we say?
Speaker 2: But Idris is the one that actually.
Speaker 3: It put him on. I'm saying, Damnson, Idris is a
Speaker 3: different guy than yourselbo. Okay, Damnsonatri is the young kid
Speaker 3: from the UK that played Franklin Saint in Snowfalls. Elba
Speaker 3: the Wire Stringer Bell changed his life and Michael K.
Speaker 3: Williams life. So many actors, I mean, I can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jesus, that's what we're hoping to do. Man.
Speaker 1: We want to break round. I want I want to
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican actor to play me. I want to give that.
Speaker 3: The that era of New York's version of the Wire
Speaker 3: because it needs that.
Speaker 1: That's where we're going with it. Maybe because there's so
Speaker 1: many stories within the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many different you know, there's.
Speaker 1: So many moving parts in it, and there's so many sides,
Speaker 1: so you know it's gonna go to so many different angles.
Speaker 2: Man Like. Even what we have prepared already is like, wow.
Speaker 3: You know, well, Ship, I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming through already. Third Support. What's the website?
Speaker 2: Thirston?
Speaker 1: How the third dot com shout out all the low
Speaker 1: life family all over the world, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the U l L, the All reup PC, the Orlando
Speaker 1: Low Zone, the Miami Family, Low Life, Mexico Low Life,
Speaker 1: Paris Low Life.
Speaker 3: Well, well, canna ask you one more thing regarding Polo. Okay,
Speaker 3: I obviously was hip to you guys, but I didn't
Speaker 3: start buying Polo until I was sixteen and I got
Speaker 3: a part time job at Macy's and I was having
Speaker 3: my mom come in and I would only ring her
Speaker 3: up for like one out of ten items. I was
Speaker 3: stealing for sure, And the reason why I wanted to
Speaker 3: start wearing polo is because of Kanye, Wow, because I
Speaker 3: was a hugea fan. How how for you guys to
Speaker 3: be like the og polo guys and to see Kanye
Speaker 3: put polo on on a commercial level like a whole
Speaker 3: other le Like when he came out, he was polo
Speaker 3: the fuck out. You know what I'm saying, How did
Speaker 3: you guys feel about that? And like, how did you guys?
Speaker 3: Kind of because he got a lot of credit for
Speaker 3: the polo putting polo on a hip hop even though
Speaker 3: you guys were with the pioneers.
Speaker 1: I mean, some low lifes were offended. I even think
Speaker 1: they took shots at them and things like that. But
Speaker 1: I saw it for what exactly it was. He was
Speaker 1: just opening the doors for us. You know, yeah, he
Speaker 1: got it, but then when he did it, it really
Speaker 1: focused on us in our backstory. I think in hip hop,
Speaker 1: I'm the first one to really exploit the polo on
Speaker 1: the cover, even before Kanye came out, you know, the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn hard Rock and then my first album, the Skillion
Speaker 1: there showed like all the polo coming out of my closet, vomiting.
Speaker 2: Type of staff. So you know, but me personally.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm never mad at anything because I know where
Speaker 1: I stand, I know where I sit, and I know
Speaker 1: where I'm going with it, and all those little things
Speaker 1: actually help us, like including the fifty cent show, the
Speaker 1: raising kaning they have a low life character within the show, and.
Speaker 2: So many people were upset and saying this and that.
Speaker 2: Oh they said, I'm like yo, they they making it
Speaker 2: easier for us now.
Speaker 1: You know, to push our show or to picture because
Speaker 1: they're showing that this.
Speaker 3: Exists and it was important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I credit fifty and I gotta say thank
Speaker 1: you fifty.
Speaker 2: You know, did Kanye.
Speaker 3: Ever reach out to you or shout you guys out
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he responded to one of the
Speaker 1: things that was yeah, like you know, he had that
Speaker 1: song where he said, oh, you're trying to say I'm
Speaker 1: not a low hand. That was I believe in response
Speaker 1: to what other low LIFs were saying. But you know,
Speaker 1: much success to Kanye, which he already attained, and much
Speaker 1: respect to him, man, because he.
Speaker 3: Keep saying, last question, what's the most expensive polo item
Speaker 3: that you've either the one I wear every day, No,
Speaker 3: but you have to have had that? Is there like
Speaker 3: a fucking polo you know, Rose Royce or something I
Speaker 3: don't know, Like, what's the craziest polo item you've ever owned?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the stuff that I create myself,
Speaker 1: Like if it's something Ralph doesn't make, I would take
Speaker 1: things apart and create my own.
Speaker 2: Like you know how we would do the silks.
Speaker 1: We would get three different giant silks and make it
Speaker 1: into a shirt that doesn't exist on his market, and
Speaker 1: they would actually sell for thousands. Like the value on
Speaker 1: the shirt is really after I take it off. Now,
Speaker 1: this shirt is valuable. So now I could sell that
Speaker 1: motherfucker for whatever.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, boy, I appreciate you coming, dude, Thanks
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 2: Man, I'll be back many times.
Speaker 1: Now. We'll be out here in Cali a lot.
Speaker 3: Working on a smash, working on everything.
Speaker 1: Way more than music, is way more than TV, you know, multimedia. Man,
Speaker 1: So there it is every angle man I'm trying to cover.
Speaker 3: Man, we appreciate you pulling up.
Speaker 2: It's the coach, sir. I'm for the coach all the way.
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