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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast pumps out so much content

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in a room filled with some heroes,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and Chris Westling. It's just not the same

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Speaker 1: as it. It's different. Greg. I thought about, like, should

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Speaker 1: I just like you should just go off the top

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Speaker 1: of a totally different start, you know, just like blow

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Speaker 1: up the entire machine after six straight years since Dan

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Speaker 1: Hans is not here today. But you know it's like

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Speaker 1: only one episode that's you quelled the Anarchist. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: usually what I want to do is just blow things up.

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Speaker 1: But Dan's busy. Dan has his family in town, and uh,

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Speaker 1: as the intro said, we're pumping out a lot of content.

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Speaker 1: We got three shows this week Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We

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Speaker 1: got the Twitter Show on Wednesday. Next week, We've got

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Speaker 1: an insane amount of video shows. So you know, Dan's

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Speaker 1: gotta get ready for that and the rest of us

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Speaker 1: we're foraging on here. I'm not ever, it's not clear

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Speaker 1: to me what um aspects of Dan's family is coming.

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Speaker 1: Is it his parents, which I believe it to be,

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Speaker 1: or is it Dan's hidden secret family that he occasionally

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Speaker 1: references if you get a few drinks in him. It's

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Speaker 1: not the in laws. I don't know. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: there's all there's multiple ways you can go with a

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Speaker 1: dan failing vacation, and he'll never listen to this. I

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Speaker 1: haven't even spoken to you guys since Indianapolis. I guess

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Speaker 1: Mark and I text. I mean Mark's burning the midnight oil.

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Speaker 1: It was in the office on Sunday. How about that

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're out there. I mean, it's not impressive

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Speaker 1: that I forgot about it. Now and what did you? What?

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Speaker 1: What have you been up to us? Did some work

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Speaker 1: what it is from way too much exercise. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you're just locked in though to watching our friend Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah moved the sticks and uh, the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 1: all weekend. But you know, in case we missed anything

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Speaker 1: other friend Rhoda World's Josh Norris. That's good because I

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Speaker 1: My kids kind of like watching it and they pretend

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Speaker 1: this job back here. Oh, there's definitely dissension there. It's

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Speaker 1: quite a bit these days. Ian Rappaport are NFL Network

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Speaker 1: Insider reported Monday that the Cardinals, Raiders, and Broncos were

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Speaker 1: the teams that were most intrigued by Antonio Brown, and

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Speaker 1: Are you buying it? Well, yeah, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: always would have been the the unlet more unlikely scenario

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is trying to do this without the Oakland years.

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Speaker 1: You do get the feeling John John Elway. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: Brown reports. Mark, you mentioned the Titans have been thrown

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Speaker 1: anything in today's NFL. Because you could pick twenty teams

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Speaker 1: he's had it with Big Ben. Yes, I agree that

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Speaker 1: said the Jaguars are expected to sign Nick Foles. He

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Speaker 1: said it the strongest rappaport rap sheet mentioned it. Mike

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Speaker 1: Garafolo meant and it. Somehow everyone who was in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: like never happens in the NFL. So they evaluated him well,

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Speaker 1: and you're right, it's kind of a score for the

429
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Speaker 1: pressure is almost as valuable as sacks and hits kind

430
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Speaker 1: of brigade, and I think I'm just saying that's more valued. Now.

431
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Speaker 1: They're very analytics heavy type of organization, and I think

432
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Speaker 1: they think he's a badass, and it's it's a guy

433
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Speaker 1: that kind of like Everson Griffin is very similar in

434
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Speaker 1: my mind in Minnesota, just the kind of career he's

435
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Speaker 1: at where it's like nationally not that well known, but

436
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Speaker 1: the team that has him thinks he's a super He's

437
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Speaker 1: also etched into like Philadelphia lore for the st of

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Speaker 1: sack that helped win the Super Bowl. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean Michael was not right. That's that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like a great guy, like very well

441
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Speaker 1: known in the community and the locker room and all

442
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Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Well, the guy we're going to

443
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Speaker 1: have on later. Josh Norris from Rhoda World has often

444
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Speaker 1: said one of his biggest truisms disruption is production. WHOA

445
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Speaker 1: that's a catchphrase. I mean, that's how you step on

446
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Speaker 1: a lot of people at the Rhoda World Office is

447
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Speaker 1: to become one of the real big stars. I mean

448
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Speaker 1: nor You think Norris has gotten to where he is

449
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Speaker 1: without a little bloodless coup. It's probably like down with

450
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Speaker 1: you know, Evan Silva, which would not be an easy

451
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Speaker 1: take down. We saw Evan Selva the big Fish by

452
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Speaker 1: the way in Indianapolis. Did you know this? Mark? He did?

453
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Speaker 1: He's He actually messaged me soon after and said sorry

454
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Speaker 1: that you were not there. I did not go out

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Speaker 1: the final night. We saw the big Fish at say,

456
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Speaker 1: now Most, the famous steakhouse that every sports writer talks about,

457
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Speaker 1: and people were blown away. Dan was just like, I

458
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Speaker 1: didn't you know, I wasn't really ready for the size

459
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Speaker 1: and the stature that Silva's bringing to the table. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Silva's like Silva's like Jason Peters or something. I mean,

461
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Speaker 1: you're over Kevin Patrick's Bill West. You've you've for a

462
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Speaker 1: long time knock that this is different. This is like,

463
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Speaker 1: this is like a boy. This is like an NFL

464
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Speaker 1: left tackle size patra you know, it's in fine shape

465
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Speaker 1: and always husband. I never would have looked at him

466
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Speaker 1: as sort of like a paragon of mail um body type.

467
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Speaker 1: It's always in fine shape. Let's be real. It's always

468
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Speaker 1: annoyed you a little bit how much credit Patra got

469
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Speaker 1: for his body. And even back in the day, you

470
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Speaker 1: almost were annoyed that he got the credit over like

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Speaker 1: he's like, I have that body now. No, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: I never thought that I deserved credit for my body.

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Speaker 1: I never thought that at all. Now, how you feeling

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Speaker 1: about it? Uh, now it's time for some credit. I

475
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Speaker 1: did not feel like my body is in great shape.

476
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Speaker 1: I'll put it all right. We are almost to some

477
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Speaker 1: combine rumors. We aren't buying another another little like mini

478
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Speaker 1: seg we're throwing in here. But finally, Jamie cons expected

479
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: to be cut or traded soon. How would you remember

480
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Speaker 1: that Jamie cons era mark very underwhelming And I thought

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Speaker 1: it was they got him for a relatively low um

482
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Speaker 1: acceptable draft pick, and then I think, in one of

483
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Speaker 1: these sort of confirming your own move turn around and

484
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Speaker 1: overpaid him. But they had a ton of cap space,

485
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Speaker 1: and they almost were at that place they needed to

486
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Speaker 1: reach the cap floor, and they had no names on

487
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Speaker 1: their defense, and I thought they probably felt like it

488
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Speaker 1: was the first step towards building that side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: And there have been the thing that I kind of

490
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Speaker 1: remember most are these sort of whispering jabs at him

491
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Speaker 1: where you can't tell exactly where it's coming from. The

492
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Speaker 1: people aren't happy with the effort. They aren't quite happy

493
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Speaker 1: with the effort on game day or not on game day.

494
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Speaker 1: And I don't feel like he fits into where they're going.

495
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Speaker 1: And they definitely need to need help at linebacker, but

496
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Speaker 1: he's I don't think they're going to re up with him.

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Speaker 1: That would be surprising to me. This is one of

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Speaker 1: those I usually at this point would expect the guy

499
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Speaker 1: to get traded, Like Michael Bennett. He's do six mill

500
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Speaker 1: in this year. I think they could find someone to

501
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: at least do a pick swap for that. Why not,

502
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: he's still pretty good. But Jamie Collins making ten million,

503
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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone wants to deal with that. I

504
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Speaker 1: think he's I mean, it was the Patriots who were

505
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Speaker 1: listed as a team that we're open to eventually trading

506
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Speaker 1: form last right, and I think they would probably take

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Speaker 1: Jamie Collins back. But why why start at a twenty

508
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Speaker 1: two million dollar two year contract. I just don't think

509
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Speaker 1: he has that sort of like value at this point. Uh, Finally,

510
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Speaker 1: uh an idea West had here combine rumors he's not buying.

511
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Speaker 1: What is the combine rumors that's grinding your gears? Well

512
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: it started, this wasn't really a rumor. Someone asked Kurt

513
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Speaker 1: Warner what he would give up for Josh Rosen. He

514
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Speaker 1: said a third round pick, and then Peter King interviewed

515
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Speaker 1: another NFL executive who said Cardinals shouldn't expect to get

516
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Speaker 1: more than a third round pick for him. And I

517
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: think this is insane. I think that's crazy for many reasons,

518
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Speaker 1: not least of which is the Cardinals have already paid

519
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Speaker 1: six of what his rookie deal will be for four years.

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Speaker 1: They've already paid most of it with up front. Funny,

521
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Speaker 1: he's only gonna count two million against your cap every

522
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Speaker 1: year for the next three years. And you're telling me

523
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Speaker 1: the teams like the Giants, Redskins, and Dolphins who need

524
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are saying, or even the Patriots who need a

525
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Speaker 1: success for top successor for Tom Brady, are saying, no,

526
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Speaker 1: I won't go above like the nineties something pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft for Josh Rosen. I just don't believe that

528
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Speaker 1: for a second. I mean, it depends what the team is,

529
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Speaker 1: and who's drafting him with everyone knowing he's just gonna

530
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Speaker 1: be a long term backup, Like you're drafting him to

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Speaker 1: be a starter. If it's the Redskins, who would make

532
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Speaker 1: some sense. You can't. You can't try possibly tell me

533
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Speaker 1: that you're going to get an Arizona to accept nothing

534
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: more than the third round pick for that when you

535
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Speaker 1: when he is going to be your plug and play,

536
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Speaker 1: low cost starter. Yeah, and Peter King, you talked to

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Speaker 1: I think to front office guys, and Okay, those guys

538
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Speaker 1: don't want to give up a third round pick. That's fine.

539
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: It only takes one team, you know what I mean.

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00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't get that at all. Like it

541
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Speaker 1: also depends what front offices those You also hear all

542
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Speaker 1: the time gms who signed guys in free agency, And

543
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: I think Dante fowler Is is a good case study

544
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: for it. This year. Well, we had him ranked really

545
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: high coming out of college. You always hear this about

546
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Speaker 1: first round picks and get to free agency and aren't

547
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: playing that Well, Well, we really loved his college tape

548
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: and we loved him. And that's it's like, what, there's

549
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: not a bunch of teams out there that didn't love

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's college tape and wouldn't give it up. I would,

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00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: I would, Uh, I would remain a Patriots fan if

552
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: if they go pick up. I'm thinking about checking out

553
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: as soon as Belichick and Brady are goal. You know that, Brady,

554
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I'll stick out. I'll stick it out for Belichick, but

555
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: I think I might retire with Bill. I mean, how

556
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Speaker 1: could you top that? It's just like, it's just like

557
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: you just lived through the best. Why even bother can

558
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: The definition of a fan is to jump ship the

559
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: minute things I want. I want the soldier, you sunshine, Patriots,

560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Your your You gave up on

561
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the on the Bengals. I did not give up on them.

562
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: They give up on me. Here's the thing. I just

563
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: think mentally, it's possible that they just become like one

564
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: a of all the other teams. But it's just like

565
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: not the same. It is crazy where we even were

566
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: two weeks ago with this Josh Rosen story, where it

567
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: was like largely unbelievable that this would even happen, and

568
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: now it just seems like a foregone conclusion that the

569
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals have enough. Mean, that's changed even since we last

570
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: talked on Thursday, so since then, Okay, Kim Jones said,

571
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: the expectation at this point around the league is that

572
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: the Cardinals will take Kyler Murray. That's what everyone thinks.

573
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: Don't believe this either. I don't believe the Cardinals have

574
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: finished their due deal. That's what made up their mind.

575
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: And a bunch of people like DJ and all these

576
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: people are saying that's what everyone thinks, but no one

577
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: really knows. That's just like that's not really news necessarily,

578
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: it's just what everyone thinks, the Cardinals and then possibly

579
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: that the Raiders are thinking as well. People. But you know,

580
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: there was a quote that Gruden's not much of a

581
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: poker player, uh, and that it's kind of obvious how

582
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: much they like Kyler Murray as well. If but I

583
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: think before, you know, he was two weeks ago he's

584
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: been mocked to oh, to the Redskins at fifteen or

585
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: falling out of the top twenty and stuff. Now it's like, no,

586
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: this guy, like every single year, a couple quarterbacks are

587
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: gonna go way higher than people thought initially. And Kyler

588
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Murray has multiple NFL coaches super interested. Yeah, and I'm

589
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: with us, by the way, I don't buy that for

590
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: a second. Rosene two. Now, I mean he came into

591
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the league young. His tape is not nearly as bad

592
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: as everyone thinks. I promise you he He did more

593
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: as a rookie than guys like you know, Godford Trabinsky

594
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: did in in similar situation. I saw enough where I

595
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I saw some good things. I'm still

596
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: on the Josh Rosen trained So a lot of people

597
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: who went um broke trying to guess how good of

598
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: a gambler other people are. I'm not that confident in

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Speaker 1: anybody's ability to read a gambler. M But what what

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Speaker 1: makes you an expert on reading John Gruden's Not you,

601
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: but anyone? What makes you an expert in reading John

602
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Gruden's gambling? And what makes you think that you're good

603
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: enough to read it? Right? I think that he's not

604
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: just already broken you. I think literal professional gamblers like

605
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: are probably good at that skill. But I don't think

606
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: that's who we're talking about here, right. I think there

607
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: are a few people on earth who are really good

608
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: at that. But you're not a fan of the combine West,

609
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and the combine essentially is like one massive hot stove

610
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: League session where whispers and rumors and generated news reports

611
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: are what this part of the football seasons. I think

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00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: it makes for a great quote for someone to say

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Speaker 1: John Gruden's a bad poker player. I just don't have

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Speaker 1: any confidence in that person's ability to read John Gruden's poker.

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00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm with you, but I mean a year ago, we

616
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Speaker 1: thought the entire Raiders offense was gonna run eternally through

617
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Speaker 1: Marii Cooper. So he's ability, he has an ability to

618
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Speaker 1: spin yards that we fall flo That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a great poker player. We found out

620
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Speaker 1: this week. John Gonzalez, Colleen Wolfe's husband, was once almost

621
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Speaker 1: a professional poker player. Seems to have a free time.

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Speaker 1: He was on like the early early auspices of kind

623
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Speaker 1: of like the poker professionalism going around. That's like, can't

624
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: you just imagine him with his like hat pulled down

625
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: low at a at a poker table, like taking people's money.

626
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: That was a low point in sports television when like

627
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: every third sports network had like eight Jabron who was

628
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: sitting around a table plane poker for four hours. It

629
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Speaker 1: was it was a mania and it was exciting. It

630
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: was it was a interesting time. I'm not no, I

631
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: never I never went was into poker. But when Rhoda

632
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: World was started way back in the day, when we

633
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: were building a brick by break this is even pre whistling.

634
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: It was all. It was like thirty people all in

635
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: about three rooms minimum twenty four of them were betting

636
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: on poker to an insane degree, and most of them

637
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: seemed to be making money from it, including the people

638
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: who like owned this company. People were like losing their

639
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: minds just playing online poker all day every day and

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Speaker 1: like just stealing money from some you know poorschelub in Nebraska,

641
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Speaker 1: who's signing on for this. It was. It was the heyday.

642
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: It was a dark time, and I believe they all

643
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: saved to me having fun. Though I liked like the

644
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: spirit of it, I wasn't into I didn't know how

645
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Speaker 1: to do poker. I think it's accurate that I would

646
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: never would have moved to Tybee Island if not for

647
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: the poker craze that swept the nation. Between poker and

648
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, when m m A Is becoming

649
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: really big and all my softball buddies just wanted to

650
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: sit around watching M m A And playing poker, and

651
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: I was out, I gotta leave this city. There is

652
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: nothing here for me. I mean there was some road

653
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: there were some like Christmas. Christmas is where, you know,

654
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: there were rumors where the road world was having a

655
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: little trouble paying the payroll. So as far as I'm considered,

656
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: poker might have saved us sounds like a toxic convert,

657
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, it might have said it might have been

658
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the only way that they were still making money paying us.

659
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: And now look at it today. Is there any other combine?

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00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Rumors were body that was pretty much mine though, well

661
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the only other one that I thought was absurd, just

662
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: because everyone attached to the Redskins is fighting for their

663
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: job right now. And I like Cult McCoy, the person

664
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Speaker 1: I named my son Cult after Cult McCoy the day

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: that he was essentially replaced by Brandon Weed and being

666
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: dry in the first round. But the idea that they're

667
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: talking up Cult McCoy as the starter, to me, that's

668
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: all that says is if all our other plans don't work,

669
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Speaker 1: then we have it on paper that we're excited about

670
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Cult McCoy. That cannot honestly be where this team is

671
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: coming from holistically to fix their quarterback situation. It's just, hey,

672
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: we said it. If if this is what we wind

673
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: up with, we told you all along we were excited

674
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: about this. That's to me is just not a rumor.

675
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: It's just like a it's good, it's good housekeeping. Well.

676
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: I do believe that Jay Gruden thinks more highly of

677
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: quote McCoy than anyone else in the NFL thinks of

678
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: quote McCoy. But I also think you cannot you cannot

679
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: have followed this guy's career and believe that he's gonna

680
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy for more than two or three games coming

681
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: off leg He's always coming off of something because he

682
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: always gets hurt, right, I take him. But he's like

683
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: he's been in the perfect position as a backup you

684
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: hope to use a game of year most there's like

685
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: no doubt to me that he's gonna be Jay Gruden's

686
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: quarterback coach on the you know six what team is Jake, Yes,

687
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: that it would be the Bengals or or the offensive coordinator.

688
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: He's getting paid Colt McCoy, by the way, three point

689
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: six million dollars, So that's kind of or not three

690
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: point three million dollars that that shows what they think

691
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: of him. They think he's a backup. They think he's

692
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the best backup in the NFL or one of the best,

693
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: and he fits j grud in or all out. But

694
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: then but don't don't conflate it into he's suddenly our starter. Okay.

695
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: So that's you know, the news and a lot of

696
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: chunky content. There a lot of a lot to digest, frankly,

697
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: and before we get to some more real like nuts

698
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: and bolts, meat and potato football, we're just gonna have

699
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a power cleanser and uh something

700
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: that really doesn't have a name to it. But it's

701
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: just one minute of talking about a memorable sporting event

702
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: that we witnessed with the back in music of our choice.

703
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: And and since this was my idea, that's just all

704
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: I can start. Kent you ready, let's do it. I

705
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: haven't heard this yet. That's nice, all right, I'm gonna

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Foxboro Stadium, Sullivan Stadium, they would call it. Doug Flutie

707
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: New England Patriots gets the ball in the red zone late,

708
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: just fell down about four points to a rookie Chris

709
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Chandler of the Indianapolis Colts. Doug Flutie comes in gosh,

710
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: who who is he replacing? A total? A total bum?

711
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: He comes in off the bench to replace Gus Ramsey,

712
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: a total bum, leads them to victory on a bootleg.

713
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: That the moment everyone in Boston was waiting for Flutie

714
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: to become the Patriots head coach, and that place celebrated

715
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: like it was a super Bowl. And I always remember

716
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: that game. It's one of the only Patriots games I've

717
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: ever been to as a kid. We didn't go off

718
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: and that seemingly meaningless wins to get to two and

719
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: three in a last season can mean so much to

720
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: fans in the NFL, because that game meant so much

721
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: to me. We we ate off that game for about

722
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: five years. I love that music. That was a good

723
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: music choice. That minute snuck up quickly, but that's good

724
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Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, it was good, but I mean, uh,

725
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: it's like thanks Tom. Tom Rosenthal not a huge football guy,

726
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: more more baseball basketball, but we we loved. Uh, I

727
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: loved football and brought me to that. And it's like,

728
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: any wait, I'm going over my minute here. Still, that's

729
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: all right. Sometimes it has to be unpacked further. Alright, Mark,

730
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: let's go next. Alright, So I have seen Michael Jordan

731
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: play live. I've been to multiple Super Bowl guys, super

732
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: Bowls with you guys, which I mean honestly, those are

733
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: the incredible moments when I really was thinking about one

734
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: sporting event that changed my life. When I was in

735
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: the college, I had a sort of a um, a humorous,

736
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: roundish guy that lived next door to me who was

737
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: like trying to graduate early, but he needed to pass

738
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: this fencing class. He was in fencing, and so it

739
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: was a fencing final where we were gonna. I was

740
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: gonna go watch him in this tournament. The final was

741
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: a tournament and you had to come in like top

742
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: top up to get a good grade, otherwise you're in trouble.

743
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: We went out to eat lunch and he got on

744
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: this long, wandering story about this girl he liked on

745
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: the third floor, this untotally unimpressive girl, and I was

746
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: trying to talk him off the ledge, but here he go.

747
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: There was only eighteen more seconds. He went to the

748
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: He went to the fencing class late, and the teachers like,

749
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you're out, you get an F. You can't be late,

750
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: and he said, you know what, forget the F. I'll

751
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: take the F. But I'm gonna do the tournament. And

752
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: he knocked out this girl in the first round, blew

753
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: up some long hair due in the second round, got

754
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: to the finals and lost, but she basically said, you

755
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: know what, I love the effort. You get a B minus.

756
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: So he saved his grade. And to me, that was

757
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: one of the things where you could just mope and

758
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: leave and wander home. I'm doing it. I'm fighting this tournament,

759
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: and he destroyed these people. I love life lesson. This

760
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: is why, this is why I'm glad I left it

761
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: wide open. It didn't have to be the greatest sporting

762
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: event you ever, when it's just something memorable love putting

763
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: it back from the brink. Nobody on earth could have

764
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: predicted you were gonna go down that avenue. No One.

765
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I thought, well you you gave me a heads up yesterday.

766
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: So I thought long and hard on the Sunday, no one,

767
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: no One's offense and coming all right, West, We're going

768
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: back your same year as you. Greg. The Reds have

769
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: a pitching prospect, frustrating but talented. Six five to forty.

770
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: He looked like a combination of Ralph Mouth from The

771
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Happy Days and Frankenstein. He had red, wavy hair was

772
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: receding and he was an ugly dude. Pete Rose had

773
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: nicknamed him the True Creature. We just caught him the Creature.

774
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: As kids, we're at this game because it's the Cliff

775
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: Kid Glove Game in Cincinnati, the one game a year

776
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: that all the little leaguers get to go to. This

777
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: guy is one pitch away from a perfect game, and

778
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: the ninth inning, two outs, two strikes, Wallace Johnson of

779
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: the Montreal Expost serves a soft liner in the left field,

780
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: breaks up the perfect game, and Rock Rains hits a

781
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: two run homer. Now Ron Robinson, the Creature doesn't even

782
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: get to finish the game. John Franco has to come

783
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: in for the save. Robinson gets traded. Two years later,

784
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: two months before the Reds win their their last World

785
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Series that they've ever won. So this song is supposed

786
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: to be some takeoff on Shattered Dreams, But Johnny, remember

787
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Johnny hja is the one hit wonder Shattered Dreams. The Creature. Ah, well,

788
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: you guys did a much better job than I did.

789
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I thought they were all good. That was that minute?

790
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Is that it was quickly? Well, what was your kind

791
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: of musical inspiration? Mark just because I loved it and

792
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: it was well. I know that our like our library

793
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: as a wild card, but I sort of wanted like

794
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: medieval um into like gallants, like a sword fight type thing.

795
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: I think you did a nice job, Ken No, I

796
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: thought it was really good. It was like firing me up.

797
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I blew it. It was Tom Ramsey, by

798
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: the way, Shattered Dreams. Tom Ramsey was the quarterback who

799
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: was the replacement for Steve Grogan. I mean, what you

800
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: couldn't make Flutie the backup? He was a third stringer.

801
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: Give me a break. Whenever you search like swords or

802
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: swords fights, it's just a lot of like metallic clanging.

803
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: And I figured the medieval stuff worked a little now,

804
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Thank you. That was beautiful. Those were some interesting stories

805
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: that say I think, I think, I mean, it doesn't

806
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: need to be a sporting man could be one minute

807
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: on anything. As it happens, May of eighty eight, while

808
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: that game was going on, Shattered Dreams was climbing the US.

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00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Wow it it was. It was Kis Mett alright, also

810
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: Kis Mitt, Josh Norris. He's been watching the combine for

811
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: how many days? Has it been? Probably about nine hours

812
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: straight because that's just like what he does. They have

813
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: they have podcasts literally every day during the combine. At

814
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: Road to World, he's pumping out content. The big Fish

815
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: is now kind of taking it easy during the combine.

816
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: He's making Josh do all the work. Oh we got

817
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: a little breaking news. Add another franchise tag to the mix.

818
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: Multiple national reporters are reporting that Frank Clark because getting

819
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: the franchise tag from the Seattle Seahl. Okay, well, I

820
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: mean Pete Harold over and over and over said he

821
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: is not leaving the building. Yes. Basically, all those guys

822
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: on our top one O one list at the top

823
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that we thought we're gonna get tagged half, Tom Pellicero

824
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: and Peter Schreger have confirmed expected to use the franchise tad,

825
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: So Landon Collins to me is the only real wild

826
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: card right now that we don't know which way it's

827
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: gonna go at this point, I'd be very surprised if

828
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: Tree Flowers did get the tag, even though I would

829
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: support it and think it's a good move, it seems

830
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: like no one believes that's going to happen. So landing

831
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: Collins seems to be kind of the one guy everyone's

832
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: waiting for it. We'll find that out later in the week.

833
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: But before waiting any longer, you know, I gave him

834
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: the big preamble. Let's get to Josh Norris. Josh, what's

835
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: going on. I'm doing great, We're on, you are on

836
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: with the Around the NFL podcast. I think we're just

837
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: gonna jump right into it. I don't need to give

838
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: the flowery preamble any longer. I already talked you up enough.

839
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: How you've stepped over so many people that road to

840
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: world to get to the position that you're in, and

841
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: then now trying to push Evan Silva side. Uh, you know,

842
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: I admire the hustle. Hopefully, guys, this doesn't turn into

843
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: something like fre My parents call me at PM asked

844
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: me how to work their remote control for their television.

845
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk athletic testing with you. Wow. Well,

846
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: what does that mean that that they're going to try

847
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: to listen to this podcast? I don't I don't quite follow. No, No,

848
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: as I they don't understand you know, updated modern text.

849
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Speaker 1: Oh and we don't. And you're saying we, as simpleton's

850
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: don't understand what's going on with the test now you're

851
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: pretty much right. I mean, the title of this segment

852
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: is combine Takeaways. We don't have a strong grasp on,

853
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: but Josh Norris does. You're with You're with Chris Wesselena

854
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: and Mark Seler as well. Josh, Hey, Josh, what favorite trio?

855
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: I was just telling all of our listeners that disruption

856
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: equals production? Is that a Josh Norris original? It is?

857
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: It was from a Jadeveon Clowney article back in the day,

858
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: um back when you know he was getting knocked for

859
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: his sacks and I'm sure you guys talk about that

860
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: all the time, how sacks really aren't the end all

861
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: be all, but we're talking about Brandon Brandon Graham's new

862
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: deal that he's a disruption equals production guy. There we

863
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: go and backet talk to your line with Clowney like

864
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: he was the only one getting four yards in the

865
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: back room and the quarterback could just move around and

866
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: avoid his his lines to the quarterback. So that's where

867
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: disruption equals production game. Wow, it's great to get the

868
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: etymology here the creator himself. Yeah, I don't know what

869
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: you exactly think we're gonna talk about here, Josh, because

870
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: I did ask you you know, hey, is there any

871
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: names you want to you want to talk about, um,

872
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, before the show, and then you sent me

873
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: like a four part breakdown of why you the measurements

874
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: that you use are superior to the ones that are

875
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: often talked about, and frankly it went over my head.

876
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to hear like who did

877
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: well at the combine or not? Like pretend like you're

878
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: speaking to you know, total simpletons. I just want to know, like, oh,

879
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: is don't pretend like Rashan Gary, Like what do you

880
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: think about Rashan Gary? You know, aren't you a little

881
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: worried he didn't produce it all? After watching There's only

882
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: a handful of times in my life I'll be able

883
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: to talk to the heroes. So I saw I would

884
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: try to put my best step forward, my best foot forward,

885
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: and and and do my best in this regard. So okay,

886
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: well you're off to a great start. Can I ask

887
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: about some specific guys? I think that I think the

888
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: best way to start this conversation if I can kind

889
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: of take control here Greg as to kind of explain

890
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: why in my opinion, that come by matters, and like

891
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: why athletic testing matters because back in before I didn't

892
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: think it mattered at all. Um, But because it's kind

893
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: of how the combine is broadcast in some ways where

894
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: for four days it's you know, forty yard dashes in

895
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: their position drills, right, So we all kind of equate

896
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: athleticism to a forty yard dash when really there's six

897
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: or seven other tests that can be factored into someone's

898
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: athletic profile, right, and then combine that with wait, because

899
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: there's a major difference, and you know, a four pound

900
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: receiver running a four four five versus aound receiver running

901
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: four or four five, right, Um, kind of gives you

902
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: a composite score. And that composite score allows you to

903
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: compare across decades um and across players in the same

904
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: position as well. So who like who stuck out to you,

905
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: who is like towards the top of the draft for instance?

906
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: To use your example, actually DK metcalf. Everyone was talking

907
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: about his performance this weekend, but then I saw like

908
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: a note about how his three cone drill was actually

909
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: worse than Tom Brady's three cone drill. That here is

910
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: the most athletic, amazing freak you've ever seen. But actually

911
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: in this in this measurement, he was worse than two

912
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: thousand Tom Brady, So like, how what do you how

913
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: do you put that all together? What's your takeaway from

914
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: all that? Yeah, and let me first say that, at

915
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: least for me, evalue like watching games is the most

916
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: important piece of these valuations. But if we can just

917
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: like add tools to the toolbox here to hopefully improve

918
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: value stations and hit on players and multiple days of

919
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: the draft, like that's the only goal here with d K.

920
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Mattcalf is interesting because you mentioned it like his forty

921
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: was outstanding, His jumps were amazing at forty and a

922
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: half inch verts over eleven foot broad jump um at

923
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: two eight pounds, but then like his three cone was

924
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: in like the fifth percentile and his short shuttle was

925
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: in like the third percentile. Um, if we can go

926
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: back and kind of look at players that were somewhat

927
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: similar in that regard, Um, a Stephen Hill pops out,

928
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: a Greg Child pops out. I'm not necessarily gonna put

929
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Kevin White in that regard, but if you go back

930
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: and look at Ole miss Um, it was a somewhat

931
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: similar offense that Kevin White ran back at West Virginia.

932
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: Whereas he was locked into one side of the field.

933
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: Everything was run on that kind of linear plane, straight lines,

934
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: and then outside breaking routes off of that. And so

935
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: it's not that type of offense where you see him

936
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: run all the routes, do everything across the formation line

937
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: up in different areas of the field, and so that

938
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: would get you pause. But obviously Mark just threw up

939
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: in his mouth a little bit. I mean, but he

940
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: has huge muscles. So can we just sort of wipe

941
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: all this away and just someone draft him at thirteen?

942
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: Wasn't child too? Are both proteller tendons? Yeah? I do.

943
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I do think it is important to note here though,

944
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: that like athletic testing can also help you determine if

945
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: what you saw in games is actually something that actually exists. Okay,

946
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: because I mean I don't know about y'all, but my

947
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: eyes lie to me at points. Um, like going back

948
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: to Jarvis Jones for example, Yeah, we know, we know

949
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: that Jarvis Jones led the SEC in sacks during his

950
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: final year in Georgia. I mean, he was an outstanding

951
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: player there, right, Farmers Steelers first round pick. There we go,

952
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: And actually when he went through his athletic testing, Jarvis

953
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: Jones tested like the worst first round pick of all time. Okay,

954
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: since this has been tracked um like in the bottom

955
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: tent person entitle Okay, and as we have known and seen,

956
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Jarvis Jones didn't have a very long career. So just

957
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: because the production was there part of that, and especially

958
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: if it does edge rushers and defensive linemen like, to me,

959
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: that's where athleticism is most significant, right, Like, it's one

960
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: of the true one on one matchups on the NFL

961
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: playing field, and so at the very least in the

962
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: simplest form, wouldn't athletic advantage give you a step up

963
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: on your opponent? And Jarvis Jones wasn't even average in

964
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: that regarding average is fine, he was well below average

965
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: and in many ways staying away from non NFL caliber athletes.

966
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: It's how we should use athletic testing. Does let me

967
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: ask you the flip side of this, So guys like

968
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat, who just have one of the best combines

969
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: ever for a defensive end slash edge rusher, and Rashaan Garry,

970
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: who had a very good combine, both are being sort

971
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: of criticized for not being quite as good on the

972
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: field or for having game taped. I know Sweat I

973
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: believe was ranked in the like the eighties by PFF.

974
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Um where would where would these guys fall for you? Like?

975
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Do you have faith in them? Yes? Uh? And my

976
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: bias again as I mentioned towards edge rushers into your

977
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: defensive lineman with athleticism. I think maybe the best example

978
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: in previous years was Dunell Hunter, and I think part

979
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: of it, um kind of comes down to the type

980
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: of coaching they get once they reach the NFL. Hunter

981
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: was an absolute awful pass rusher in college l s

982
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: U who's a great run defender when he goes and

983
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: is one of the best athletes in his class and

984
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: draft in the third round and has become one of

985
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: the best edge rushers in the league in my opinion. Um,

986
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: do I think that Rashawn Gary and Montes Sweat have

987
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: that potential? Sure, A big part of that is obviously

988
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: the system and situation that they land in. But with Sweat,

989
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: he's someone that can get up the field in a hurry. Um.

990
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean that obviously matches his athletic testing. His first

991
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: two or three steps are are outstanding and when you

992
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: know when you face those heavy footed offensive tackles, it

993
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: can be fairly easy to run uh past them? Now

994
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: does he have that been like von Miller? No? But

995
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: ag in if if I'm trying to invest in a

996
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: first round edge rusher or a first round into defensive lineman,

997
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: the gold does get after quarterback and when on one

998
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: on one matchup, Yeah, I would absolutely love them to

999
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: have a superior And in these cases a profile is there,

1000
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: Like can I just shift to quarterbacks for a second,

1001
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: because I really don't have I'm not able to do

1002
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: much more at the combine than like hopefully see the

1003
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for a couple of seconds. The rest of it

1004
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: is just a white haze and then I catch up

1005
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: with it later. But um, when it comes to outside

1006
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: of the Kyler Murray, is there a quarterback that's caught

1007
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: your eye that you feel like is going to be

1008
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: someone that could surprise everyone? Or is that not the case?

1009
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: Which is fine? Also well as we know, like if

1010
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: a quarterback gets taken outside of round one, there's really

1011
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: a very little hope for them in general. Um, I

1012
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of true. Yeah, I mean it's not.

1013
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: You can point to various little that's absolutely true. I

1014
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: mean the exception rather than the rule that's fair. But

1015
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: this exception that proves the world there's plenty of decent

1016
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: second and thirds out there. I mean they're out like

1017
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: there have been throughout history. Russell Wilson current, I'm kind

1018
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: of like Andy Dalton to me, is a draft hit.

1019
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: If you got a France, if you've got a guy

1020
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: who starts that many games in the second round, or

1021
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: Kaepernick for that. You know what I'm saying though, like

1022
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: those guys matter, and those are those aren't Those weren't

1023
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: first round picks. But I hear you, especially in today's NFL,

1024
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to happen to him, right, It kind of

1025
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: grapple up if you want if you want to stay

1026
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: in those situations, right, and like don't want to improve

1027
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 1: off of them. Um. Now with that said, I will

1028
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: go to someone that is not going to be taken

1029
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: in the first round. Um, and I'll go to Easton

1030
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: Stick out of North Dakota State. Um. We all know

1031
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: that that's assistant that Carson Wentz came out of and

1032
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Easton ran the exact same one. So if you go,

1033
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: great name went and and yeah, right, should be a

1034
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: hockey player named after a baseball bet he is there

1035
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: You go and if you have watched went back in

1036
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: his college days, you saw everything was under center, a

1037
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: lot of things that a shotgun off play action, moving

1038
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: out of structure, inside of structure. Um, Eastan Stick could

1039
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: do all of that. Now, he did not have a

1040
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: good East West Shrine week, But to me, like Sticks,

1041
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: someone look, if there's like a Taylor heinuch out there

1042
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: is a backup quarterback in the league. If like Alex

1043
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: Tanney is a backup quarterback in the league, it makes

1044
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: someone like yeah, right, Easton Stick should easily be a

1045
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in league. He has a lot of fun

1046
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: to go and watching those YouTube pighlight clips if you want,

1047
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm all over this Eastern Stick uh scenario.

1048
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna track. That's like the name of Mark's next time. Finally,

1049
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: Stanley Morrigan Jr. You know, Canny live up to the name.

1050
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: That was the name of like my fantasy football team

1051
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: for years and years. It was just like Stanley Morgan.

1052
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: So like, Canny live up to that. What are your thoughts? Um,

1053
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: is this the wide receiver out of Nebraska. That's right,

1054
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: That's right. His dad is uh, you know, one of

1055
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: one of the great speed stres in Patriots history. Alright, Greg, Uh,

1056
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I am very at knowing what I don't know, and

1057
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you I know very little Stanley

1058
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: More that didn't make even very good athlete on your

1059
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: hands there and Stanley Morgan. There's a player I really

1060
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: want to know about. I have a buddy, um who

1061
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: goes by the name spice Rack, who is a big

1062
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: college football fan and you know, fancies himself as a

1063
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: bit of address draft expert himself. And during the season

1064
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: he told me that I am going to fall in

1065
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: love with little Jordan Humphrey out of Texas. He said,

1066
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: he's just a big playmaker. This dude ran a four

1067
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: seven five at the combine. Please tell me why my

1068
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: friend talked him up so much? And is he an

1069
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver? Yeah? I have no idea. Um. Look,

1070
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: he didn't fall even with that four steven five. He

1071
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't fall out into that like non NFL caliber athlete territory. Um.

1072
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about players you get, you should

1073
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: get excited about it. Six ft four, you know, over

1074
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds. He's certainly not the top of that

1075
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: list in this group. Like even a ton of massive

1076
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers, there are a lot of fun Instead of

1077
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: wasting your time and watching little John Humphrey or whatever

1078
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: his name is, well still Jordan, which I think is

1079
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: a great name. He's not I mean Michael Jordan's just

1080
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: little and spice racks defense. He is standing on the

1081
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: table for Dwayne Haskins. Not that he's the only person

1082
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: in the world that's doing that right now, but it

1083
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: is is convinced Hassen's is gonna be like the next

1084
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: or one of the next great. Uh. Well, instead of

1085
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: wasting your time with Mr Jordan's, I would watch someone

1086
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: Keim Butler out of Iowa. Sink Um, this is a

1087
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: super fun player. Like you look at you know, big

1088
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: wide receivers six pounds and like naturally they think you

1089
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: think that you can do like Aushan Jeffrey type stuff. Right,

1090
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: just or at least Jonathan right. Um. But what Keim

1091
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: Butler does he shows you elements of the small game

1092
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: as well. Um, Like you turn on that Iowa game

1093
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: and in like a fourth down scenario he want he

1094
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: runs a whip route along the sideline and creates in

1095
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: some separation like getting alone his brakes, creating that space

1096
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: and that's just not something you see out of receivers,

1097
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: out of the size. We're gonna have a whole discussion

1098
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: about him and drops, but like that's an overage discussion

1099
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: as well. Um, but yeah, definitely go and watch you king,

1100
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: but you'll like what you see. I'm well, I'm sorry,

1101
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: Josh for you know, throwing you that Stanley Morrigan curveball here.

1102
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: But otherwise I think you knocked it out of the park.

1103
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: I think if people did happen to just like miss

1104
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: the previous four days and thirty two hours of coverage

1105
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: we had on NFL Network, I think the last fifteen

1106
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: minutes probably made it up for you. I mean, I

1107
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: think if we covered ever covered, we have everything. If

1108
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: I can just plug my own podcast, I already did, Josh,

1109
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: don't you worry about it. Well, I'll have a fuel

1110
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: a fool uh combined recap on there if you want to.

1111
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: You know, if we missed on anything of last bit match,

1112
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: which you know might not have happened. Now you're grinding

1113
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: six days in a row with the podcast. Now, I

1114
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: don't have anyone here know about that now. I'm That's

1115
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: why I wanted you on. Josh does an awesome job

1116
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: with UM with the really kind of cavalcade of stars

1117
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: that you have run through that show. Josh is smart,

1118
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: He's kind of the main one, and then the rest

1119
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: just rotate so everyone knows who's the most important. So

1120
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: he's the sun and they're the plan, right, and so

1121
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: different guys come on different days and and all that

1122
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: and it it is really good. UM Rode a World

1123
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: Football podcast. You know they started it Um too late,

1124
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: but they've made up for lost ground. I know you

1125
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: were pushing for it for years before they let you

1126
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: start it. That's the only reason why I'm There's there's

1127
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: no money incasing, right except for us. We're just drowning

1128
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, drowning in it. All right, Thanks Josh,

1129
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: thank you, all right, see you. So uh that was

1130
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: Josh and Norris. And before we go, we do have

1131
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: one last item of breaking news. We got three items

1132
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: of breaking alright, let's let west well. First of all,

1133
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: the Falcons announced that they are franchise tagging Grady Grady Jared,

1134
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: their defensive tackle yep Adam Schefter has been told that C. J.

1135
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: Mosley will not be franchise tag by the Baltimore Ravens,

1136
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: and rap Sheet is reporting that Landing Collins is not

1137
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: expected to draw the franchise tag from the Giants. Wow,

1138
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, we start we forecast that before anyone.

1139
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: The land In Collins News got another one rap sheets.

1140
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: The wording is the Giants are quote viewed as unlikely. Okay,

1141
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: well we got twenty four hours, so at this point

1142
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: he's he's probably not getting the tag. He's gonna get

1143
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: very close to the top of our rankings, Grady Jarrett,

1144
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: That's no surprise. He was ranked. He was our number

1145
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: three player overall, so that is no surprise. I mean,

1146
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: you do this top one list and it's a wonderful thing,

1147
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: but then it's like immediately burned to a crisp, Like

1148
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: the only name value products on the entire thing are

1149
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: held by their own teams. No, I mean, yeah, you know,

1150
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: you know most of them are gonna go, but we're

1151
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: gonna have Levian Bell. You're right, the top is now

1152
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: going to be Levyan Bell, EORL Thomas, Tree Flowers, Foals

1153
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Land and Collins Land and Collins. I mean that that

1154
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: We've had much worse years at the top. I'll put

1155
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: it that way. We had a year where it was

1156
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: like Malik Jackson and then like you know, collecchi assemile

1157
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: or something, one could make the point that are timing

1158
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: of the release and updates is suspect that maybe we

1159
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: should wait until after the franchise tags are in before

1160
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: we do this problem. Now people want to know. They

1161
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: want to start thinking. You know, it's all about the

1162
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: uh page views. You know they're getting more Uh, well,

1163
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean that absent the page views. Yeah, like the

1164
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: top ten guys on your list every year or generally

1165
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: the top two guys. Well, it's a good discussion to have,

1166
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: and c J might I'd reboot the entire project and

1167
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: give it to two other people. Mosley. Mosley is interesting.

1168
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: He's the one that, Uh, I think they really want

1169
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: to keep them, and it's a rare case. I think

1170
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: they If I had to guess, I bet they still

1171
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: will find a way to keep them, even though they're

1172
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: not going to tag them. They just don't want to

1173
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: start the discussions at fifteen million a year, right, And

1174
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't blame him for an inside linebacker. Maybe the

1175
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: Browns will steal them. I don't know why. That just

1176
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: feels like that's that just feels like a guy who's

1177
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: just gonna like come in and improve the culture and

1178
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: make your opponents, I mean the end of their season

1179
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: with an interception, so it'll help him out. It all

1180
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: comes back around, all right. On Wednesday, we will be back.

1181
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: We have a Twitter show early this week. I believe

1182
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: it's airing early unless unless we're pre taping. It is

1183
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: airing at Pacific one thirty Eastern time, and then we

1184
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: are taping the podcast after that. We will also be

1185
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: back with the podcast Friday morning. Dan will be back

1186
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: on Wednesday for Mark Ssler, The Quiet Storm, Chris Westling

1187
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: mail Man, that's it, Kent Brown, Josh Norris, Evan Silva. Everyone,

1188
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Speaker 1: we'll see you Wednesday