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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and of course Max Stark's

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Speaker 2: also here with us. He is offt on little something

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Speaker 2: here right now.

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Speaker 3: He's always got a side project going. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Matt.

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Speaker 2: We were talking earlier when when Jerry was on and

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Speaker 2: we're talking about that top part of the draft, ideally

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Speaker 2: this creep into this. We started to see Omari and

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Speaker 2: Hampton's name creep up into the first round considerations. You

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Speaker 2: see him maybe even being a top twenty guy. We

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Speaker 2: started to see that with Travon Henderson more and more,

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Speaker 2: see more of these guys, you know, getting into you know,

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Speaker 2: we know Ashton Gent he is going to be He's

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Speaker 2: somewhere in that twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets past twenty one. If that.

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Speaker 4: If that's the case, listen, whatever I just said, throw

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Speaker 4: it out. Take after Gent. Let him get past twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Do not let him get past twenty one, because I mean,

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Speaker 4: and I had that Penn State game, you know with

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Speaker 4: Ashton Gent, and that was a tough sledging, but he

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Speaker 4: was the only guy they said we are going to

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Speaker 4: get rid of this guy and that's all we care about.

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Speaker 1: You never see that, no, I mean not in today's game.

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Speaker 4: You don't see such attention paid to a running back

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Speaker 4: in that type of vein. But he denoted it. I

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Speaker 4: mean he was the Saquon Barkley of n C double

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Speaker 4: A last year, right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: His yards after first contact.

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Speaker 4: Or like off the charge and his yards before first

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Speaker 4: contact was great. Yeah, he was around four four four

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Speaker 4: was just phenomenal. I mean it was, and it was

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Speaker 4: crazy to watch it. Even for as tough as it

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Speaker 4: holding your breath every single time. If you missed, great,

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Speaker 4: it was it was going to be a long day

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Speaker 4: for you. And I mean I and watching his film

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Speaker 4: like I mean the Mountain West Championship game, I mean,

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Speaker 4: he absolutely decimated the squad. I mean it was it was.

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Speaker 4: It was honestly, it was like playing a video game

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Speaker 4: with him this year. And I think whoever he goes to,

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Speaker 4: he is going to be that guy. I don't think

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Speaker 4: he gets past Dallas personally.

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Speaker 1: But there's a couple of spots.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of spots. No way he gets it. Yeah, Denver, definitely.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams that could could use. And

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Speaker 2: I've been asked a hundred times already. Well, if he's

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Speaker 2: available at twenty one, do you take him?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I do, Yes, it might be the best player to

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Speaker 4: drive Forget the last seven hours of coverage here, guys,

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Speaker 4: right right, If Ashjaj is at twenty one, you can

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Speaker 4: just mail at home.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, we're done.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about this, just like I feel like if

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Speaker 4: Tep McMillan is there, because there's no way to I

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Speaker 4: don't care what anybody says. Teed McMillan is not making

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Speaker 4: out of the top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Like I've watched this kid grow. I've I've saw him

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Speaker 4: at u of A. I live in Arizona. I covered

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Speaker 4: him in the Alamost year. I've watched him and and

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Speaker 4: and listen, and I love his little quarterback Noah for

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Speaker 4: Tita right, Like those two have been together his eighth grade.

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Speaker 4: He's caught a touchdown from this dude every year since

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Speaker 4: eighth grade. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 4: and and it's not clean.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna get broken next year.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna because Noah's quarterback. That that's a streak to break.

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Speaker 4: But he's going to be a problem for anybody because

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Speaker 4: his yards after the catch is stupid. Like when I

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Speaker 4: Noah was still going to throw to him, and he

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Speaker 4: just that he has a sense like the body field

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Speaker 4: Like just imagine George Pickens a little bit taller, right,

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Speaker 3: Where do you think he runs when he's here? I mean,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, he's gonna be a four four, eight

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Speaker 3: Here and maybe Indianapolis won't be his best place to

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Speaker 4: Know it won't be And I'm not sure. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he will run. I think he

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Speaker 4: a place, a field that he's run all over everybody in.

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Speaker 4: And also the weather conditionally hurt him. Yeah, the forty

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then his tape backs up all of

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Speaker 4: those stats. The forty is the one that's not going

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Speaker 4: to help him because a when is a wide receiver

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Speaker 4: it's a completely different sport. But his tape outshines anything

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Speaker 4: and you'll say, yeah, I want him, Like there's a

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Speaker 2: I watched him against Arizona State last year and I

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Speaker 2: The quarterback play obviously played into that in Arizona State

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but exactly because you have a five foot eight quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so back to Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: I know you're a Scatabo fan. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Through the Steeler Network, people said, you know, talk talk

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Speaker 3: to Max about Scatabo. What do you think of some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Cam Scattaboy I love in day two. I think

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a wide receivers coach.

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Speaker 4: And it's only twenty minutes from my house, so you know,

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Speaker 4: he is deceptively deceptively fast. Yeah he's not one hundred

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Speaker 4: you and he's he's going to finish up near the tape.

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Speaker 3: A receiver too, and think it's incredible.

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Speaker 4: To underrated both him and gent I feel like are

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Speaker 1: And then they had a yeah, no, no, those are

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Speaker 4: seven man boxes. So for Cam, I think he's gonna

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Speaker 4: the backfield. He gives me Peyton Hillis vibes. He gives

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Speaker 3: I take him seconds a little bit now, unless we

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Speaker 4: I would take him, no questions asked at the back

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Speaker 4: probably six seventh undrafted free agent before last season. He's

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Speaker 1: At least two. He's not gonna run well, No, he's not.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be a four five eight guy speed wise,

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Speaker 4: But the problem is he has breakaway after contact.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I think people get too caught up in

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Speaker 2: but he can't see the holes.

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Speaker 4: It don't matter, It don't matter, It don't matter. And

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Speaker 4: your lateral agility matters. How you do off balance spin

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Speaker 1: Kyram Williams isn't beating anybody in a race.

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Speaker 3: No, Now, I might beat Kyra Williams in a race,

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Speaker 3: but guess what, he's still gonna weave and he's gonna

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Speaker 4: And that that's and what are we talking about. I

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Speaker 4: you get four plus because also his offensive line. He

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Speaker 4: had a really good offensive line. Lef Faitano is another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, he had.

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Speaker 4: They had an elite level of knowledge with each other,

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Speaker 4: and Cam played excellent off of that, like that Utah.

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Speaker 4: If you go back and watch a Utah tape, it

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Speaker 4: hell Now. That's when he first stood out to me,

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Speaker 4: because he hit four guys and then went forty more

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Speaker 1: Then you want to see a lot of that with him.

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Speaker 4: The college for the best player on the field, you

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Speaker 4: That's the other thing, like you all these things. He

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Speaker 1: You worry about the wear and tear on him. I

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Speaker 4: Well, you're going to And that's why I think he's

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Speaker 3: But you don't draft running backs thinking they're gonna be

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Speaker 4: No, you don't draft him second contracts. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 4: you know. And also I'm pairing if I'm getting camp Scatterby.

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Speaker 1: To throw up in the back seat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Hey, that Crayon Melton

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Speaker 4: I mean, and I think you're and you're drafting him

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Speaker 4: he's going to be a great number two off of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think that's where if you have Jalen Warren, that's

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Speaker 4: You're trying to build it from scratch. And that's where

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Speaker 4: because he's the one that's gonna take the physicality. Jalen

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Speaker 4: This guy's a sledgehammer with vision, so he essentially gives

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Speaker 4: He's not gonna do great in September and October. I

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Speaker 4: and you can play in cold weather. I think that's

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Speaker 3: I don't know that this front office will be big

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's gonna be a trend

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Speaker 3: just keep that going. That that's winning football, that works,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because because once again, if you're banking on finding

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Speaker 4: take Josh Jacobs, Derrick Henry and Sakwan Barkley.

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Speaker 1: That trio is not coming around right right, you know?

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Speaker 3: And they went to great teams, and they went to

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Speaker 3: That was the missing ingredient. The Giants wouldn't have been

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Speaker 4: No, no, yeah, they were not as we saw, as

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Speaker 4: we said. And also for Saquon, he didn't fit their

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Speaker 3: He and I know this, I almost know the Steelers

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Speaker 4: Like like take Tracy for the Giants, Tyn Tracy.

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Speaker 1: He fits their system. That's why he looks so good.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you're like, hey, well you know, we'll

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Speaker 4: He fit their system. That's why he was so good

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Speaker 4: for them. And that's why the Giants are like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: well now we just worry about every other position that

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Speaker 4: we don't have an issue that's not a wide receiver

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Speaker 4: attack for a certain type of back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They they want specific guys. So if you find the

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Speaker 4: in a good place. And that guy is here year,

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Speaker 4: the thing where you don't have to say, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: if we don't get Ashton gent or we don't get

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Speaker 4: this guy, it's all over with No, there's plenty of

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Speaker 3: And then I might take another in the seventh round

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Speaker 1: There's enough. I think.

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Speaker 4: I think there will still be some good ones that undrafted.

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Speaker 2: They can be a kick returner, they can be your

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Speaker 2: you know, do whatever you need to do. One of

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Speaker 2: all we heard was, well, Mike tom Win just takes

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Speaker 1: Said, yeah, he did that when he had Levon. Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: You're he was your slot receiver. Taking that guy off

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Nobody's gonna come and say, hey, he's better

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Speaker 2: The last two years, we've seen that last you know,

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Speaker 2: Nausey's rookie year. Yeah, they ran him like crazy because

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Speaker 2: they didn't have that other back. Well, now they have

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Speaker 2: two you know they have the two backs. Well, now

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Speaker 2: you get to do you know, find something to replace that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to replace that. And also, let's face it,

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Speaker 4: not all yards look the same. Why bang your head

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Speaker 4: this wall every time? When I have a guy that

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Speaker 4: I know that I'm good to take take another route

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Speaker 1: And that's what it is. It's like, you want the vision.

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Speaker 4: We talked about that the vision matters in this system,

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like you know the charge, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's very helpful. A three hundred pounds full back. I mean,

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Speaker 4: tight end. If we were one to run eleven, I

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Speaker 4: if I am going twenty one person, I'm using two

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Speaker 1: Make somebody miss you.

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Speaker 4: The eighth Russell Griham taught me, this eighth guy is

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Speaker 4: the running backs guy. The other seven is on us,

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Speaker 1: It's easier said than note, easier said than done.

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Speaker 4: But that's the concept that you're trying to go after.

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Speaker 4: And there's enough guys in here that understand that that

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Speaker 4: learning curve for them, I thought. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: and then try and make him into a single back

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Speaker 4: he's got to have that lead back like the Chargers, right,

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Speaker 4: the Chargers use a lead back. Now we have that

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Speaker 4: conversation with Greg and Gus Edwards there, I would personally

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Speaker 4: Would go perfect in that system. And you know what, now,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, he's doing so good over here. Good

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Speaker 4: for him, that's great, you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 4: for our system, that's not what we need. We need

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Speaker 3: It's so it doesn't sound like much, but we know

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Speaker 3: They ended up at four. They have to be at

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Speaker 3: four to two, four three. You know, if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: But third and three three.

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Speaker 4: Opens your playbook up more so than third and seven. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: right right, And that's the problem. We had way too

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Speaker 4: right right? And also what hell's that number?

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Speaker 1: Right? Is the explosives? Right?

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Speaker 4: You know you want to have a guy that there working.

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Speaker 4: We didn't have many of those, so it was and

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Speaker 4: we also know how many negatives we had to deal

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Speaker 4: it has to be in that four to two and

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Speaker 4: must be greater than four point zero.

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Speaker 1: Can't beat the bottom five.

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Speaker 4: No, you cannot be there because running Yeah, if you're

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Speaker 4: you better darn sure make sure that you are above

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Speaker 4: pretty good point two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you better be good.

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Speaker 4: And that means you've gotten a lot of tries at it.

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Speaker 3: thing that that hurt us we didn't have a bread

438
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Speaker 3: and butter run play.

439
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Speaker 1: We did not have one established at all. Last year.

440
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Speaker 3: It's funny I do a Thursday night show with Merrill

441
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Speaker 3: Hodge every and he all he says when things aren't

442
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 3: going well on offense, Chuck would say, let's get back

443
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 3: to our run gate or what is our best run play?

444
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 3: And that's where we start. Yeah, and then Merrill, what's

445
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 3: their best run plays?

446
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Speaker 1: Like I don't know that one.

447
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,640
Speaker 4: Take the ball and run north, But it was twelve

448
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 4: or thirteen trap?

449
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Speaker 1: Chuck, No.

450
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Speaker 3: Twelve and thirteen trap was their bread and button. No,

451
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Speaker 3: I mean, what was the Steelers in twenty twenty four.

452
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 3: They didn't really have one, They didn't have zero.

453
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,640
Speaker 4: For us, it was it was twenty two to twenty

454
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Speaker 4: three double or it was thirty four to thirty five base.

455
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Speaker 4: Those are our bread and butter when we wanted to

456
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Speaker 4: wear a team down or when things started to get

457
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Speaker 4: off the track. It started to get off track. Fourth

458
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Speaker 4: quarter four minute offense like the City, which we turned

459
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Speaker 4: into six minute offense. Twenty two twenty three, we ran

460
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Speaker 4: one game. I'll never forget this with JB. We ran

461
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 4: twenty two double six times in a row out of

462
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 4: the same formation, no movement and it and we did

463
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 4: not get stopped. We converted four first downs on six tries.

464
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Speaker 3: Kind of felt like what the Ravens did to the

465
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Speaker 3: Steelers actuly what to helpless feel.

466
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Speaker 4: But that's what a bread and butter play is, and

467
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 4: that's making sure that you know your personnel. Hey, what

468
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 4: are our guys good with? What can they throw anything

469
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 4: at the board at us? And we can block it

470
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,400
Speaker 4: up regardless. You can run three down, you can run

471
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 4: four down, you can run three three nickel, you can

472
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 4: run a four to two double eagle, whatever you want to.

473
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Speaker 1: Call a Barting toss sweep, whatever it is, it's going

474
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Speaker 1: to be great at that play.

475
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Speaker 4: And that was the one thing that I hated that

476
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Speaker 4: after seventeen games, I couldn't.

477
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Speaker 1: Give you an answer.

478
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will say I thought the second half

479
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty three season with a lot more

480
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Speaker 3: polling linemen that which also felt fed, fit nausey better.

481
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,959
Speaker 3: I thought they were starting to create an identity and weaponizing.

482
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Speaker 1: Their offensive lineman.

483
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Speaker 3: And I'm not criticizing the system, but that was working

484
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,199
Speaker 3: and we got away from a little bit.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was also having Eddie Faulkner ye have

486
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Speaker 4: an actual input into the system, right, because I mean

487
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 4: we got to it and we tried to run the

488
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 4: same type of counter system and we have both our

489
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 4: tackles pull into each other in the playoff game.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that can't goes back to too much on

491
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Speaker 1: the plate and that's too much.

492
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Speaker 4: And also your guy's not understanding the system and when

493
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Speaker 4: you're having cross motion and that extra guy comes in

494
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: the box and having your guy short circuit, because there

495
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: is no like bread and butter is not meant to

496
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Speaker 4: have a lot of pulling action like you have one

497
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Speaker 4: guy lead block.

498
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Speaker 1: And for Nase doesn't.

499
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Speaker 4: He just needs a lead blocker and that I'm gonna

500
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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna fight that. And listen, I Naji was

501
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 4: sitting here next to me, I would tell him the

502
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: same thing. You need a lead blocker, you need a fullback, right,

503
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 4: would you agree you run better with a fullback versus

504
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Speaker 4: without a fullback? Tell me yes, that's.

505
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Speaker 1: Where your eyes go and that's where that's where you go.

506
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Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with it, because listen, if you

507
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 4: run I style formation football, he is going to be

508
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 4: a hell of a back to have to deal with,

509
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 4: because especially if you have to deal with the fullback

510
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 4: and then you got to scrape off the full back

511
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 4: and try and make the play. I don't want to

512
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 4: hit Naja to fall off after taking something, you know,

513
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 4: not having full speed. But if I'm meeting him full

514
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: speed and we've done something and I've shot the gap

515
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Speaker 4: on the backside before he's gotten going, we're in a

516
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 4: good place.

517
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Speaker 1: You can take someone's decisions off his plate.

518
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: Yes, guy, Yeah, he's got to follow that guy and

519
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: just and cut off of that. If he if his right,

520
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 4: if his butt cheek goes right, you go left. If

521
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: his butt cheek goes left, you go right. That making

522
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 4: it easy. But he's hitting a ball in the backfield

523
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: and saying we're running zone. So you have b gap,

524
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 4: a gap, backside, a gap, or you can cut it

525
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 4: all the way back to backside. See, I'm done. I

526
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 4: have anything else for you. I have nothing else for you.

527
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,719
Speaker 4: But Jalen Warren. You give him that, and he's like,

528
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 4: I got you.

529
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: I got you. Hopefully the next guy, Yeah, the next guy.

530
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Speaker 4: But do I think Jalen could have been an I

531
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Speaker 4: formation back. No, he's too small, right, because that is

532
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 4: something you have to worry about, that lateral cross letter

533
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 4: and what was one of the issues Jalen had injury wise?

534
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Speaker 1: Right?

535
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 4: He got, he got, He got chopped down from the

536
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 4: side a little a little bit too much, took a

537
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 4: little bit off of his run game. He needs to

538
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 4: be the guy that could break you down.

539
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Speaker 1: In the backfield.

540
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Speaker 2: Let's get to a break. Yes, let's do it. It

541
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Speaker 2: is Max Starks. I'm Dale Lallie and here with Matt

542
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Speaker 2: Williamson as well. This is the drive crew with Max.

543
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Speaker 1: We call it that this weekend, third wheel, third Wheel,

544
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Speaker 1: third We welcome to the car.

545
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Speaker 2: We are live here at the NFL Scouting Combine. It's Tuesday,

546
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Speaker 2: the first day of all the events. Omar Con spoke

547
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: earlier today about a lot of stuff here for the Steelers,

548
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: but we're gonna.

549
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Speaker 1: Get to a break. We'll be back with more right

550
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Speaker 1: after this, and welcome back. I'm Dale Lowy here with

551
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. Max st starts as stepped away for a moment.

552
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Speaker 3: He's a popular fellow, very popular.

553
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: You can't walk through this event without seeing seventy two

554
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Speaker 2: people per hour.

555
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: That no, Max, right, And he doesn't hide very well. No,

556
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Speaker 1: he's very difficult.

557
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: Can't camouflag yeah, sneak.

558
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Speaker 2: He would have to hide behind stuff and that would

559
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Speaker 2: take big stuff, big stuff.

560
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Speaker 3: Indeed, like this huge curtain behind us here.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Matt, we haven't had a chance to talk

562
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Speaker 2: about some of the things that Omar Khn had to

563
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Speaker 2: to say today.

564
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: The offensive line with Broderick Jones shifting over to left tackle,

565
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Speaker 1: is he is?

566
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: He said today, that's the probable when they start in

567
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: the first ota sessions, that's where you'll see Broderick Jones

568
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: at Do you feel that we'll have a settling move

569
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: on him?

570
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Speaker 3: I thought I was happy to hear it, you know,

571
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: just because I think the sooner that that is declared,

572
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: the better. And we know he's played way more right

573
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: tackle than left tackle snaps, but that was in the NFL,

574
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: but that wasn't the plan and whatever he I don't know.

575
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: I mean, neither one is a natural right tackle, so

576
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 3: one of them is gonna have to learn, and you

577
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But I do think the clarity

578
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 3: aspect of you're on the left, you're in the right,

579
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Speaker 3: let's go from here, the sooner the better, because there

580
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: has been a little bit of ambiguity over the years too,

581
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: you know, and drafting two guys that have.

582
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Speaker 1: Gone back and forth isn't perfect, you know.

583
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if that's the case, I think he's happy

584
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: to hear that. I would assume, yeah, yeah, yeah, if

585
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: that's the case, and obviously then Troy fa Atano is

586
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: going to be on the right side.

587
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

588
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: And that's you know, basically what he said at the

589
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: end of the season last year, and we talked to

590
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Speaker 2: him on the last day. I think one of the

591
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: things that you need to remember. So I'm looking at

592
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Speaker 2: his prospect grade here this gain the Lancier line on

593
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: an NFL dot Com he was just six four seven, Okay, okay,

594
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: So if we look at this year's offensive line, the

595
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Speaker 2: top graded lineman is.

596
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Speaker 1: A six four six. Doesn't surprise me.

597
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: So by their grading skill, by by Lancier zero line's

598
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: grading skill.

599
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Speaker 1: It's not gospel, but it's a good gospel. But that's

600
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: a good guideline.

601
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Speaker 2: Troy in this particular draft would be the number one

602
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: offensive line prospect.

603
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: I haven't thought about in that term. But that does

604
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: not shock me because there aren't true tackles in this

605
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: draft which should grade higher, like the Alts. I bet

606
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: like alt had a better.

607
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, Campbell's gonna go around a top ten something.

608
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: That's what I was saying, Like, would I rather have

609
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: the Washington version of Troy or the LSU version of Campbell.

610
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: I think I'll take last year's guy, you know. I mean,

611
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 3: I think he's more tackleish. I think he's a better athlete,

612
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 3: you know.

613
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what's been lost on people

614
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: here because he didn't he played one game last year

615
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: and people I've seen people throw the word bust around sah.

616
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: I've seen you know, well, we don't know what we

617
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: have with him. That was a wasted pick.

618
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Speaker 1: They could have taken Quinny and Mitchell, or they could

619
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Speaker 1: have taken Brian Thomas.

620
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they those guys turned out great, fantastic, right, right,

621
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Speaker 3: but they might have considered it at the time.

622
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Speaker 1: I don't know. We have to be open to the possibility.

623
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Speaker 1: And I'm just saying it's a possibility Troy followed Tanham

624
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: might be a better pro than either one of those guys. Oh,

625
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: it's quite possible, right.

626
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Speaker 3: I Mean, if you told Steeler Nation that you are

627
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Speaker 3: getting the best graded offensive lineman that's coming out of

628
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Speaker 3: the draft this year with that, sign him up right now. Ye,

629
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: we're getting a number one guy and you still have a

630
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: first round pick. Yeah, yeah, I mean like you're getting

631
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: that In addition to your pick. Yeah, that's the way

632
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: I think you should kind of look at this as

633
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: he's still an elite prospect. The little we saw of

634
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: him in pads and doing football things as a Pittsburgh Steeler,

635
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: We're good.

636
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm very good, extremely excited about him, you know, so.

637
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: It was like he didn't belong once he got here.

638
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to look up Roman Wilson's grade

639
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: here real quick.

640
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay.

641
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: It's an interesting exercise, you know, like what are you

642
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: getting here if you almost look at them like extended rokies.

643
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: Because that's really what they're going to do, like getting

644
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: two extra draft picks this year, not to lee. Yeah,

645
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: just so, he had a six point three to oh

646
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: grade it's pretty good, which is pretty good. So a

647
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: six point three to oh grade in this year's draft

648
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: would put Roman Wilson firmly in the top ten. Jack

649
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: Betch has a six point three to three on according

650
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: to NFL dot Com. Jalen Royals, who I like, Jalen Royals.

651
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Boses guys be good Steelers. A six

652
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: six point two seven.

653
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Speaker 2: Okay, so in this year's draft, the guys who he

654
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: would be ranked around at that point and Mecca Ekuba

655
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: six three seven, Trey Harris A six three four, Isaiah

656
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: Bond A sixty three three, and betches A six three three.

657
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a significant prospect coming back in the mix, right, That's.

658
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: What you've got coming back, and so you have to

659
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: look at that.

660
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: Okay, if those guys were in this draft, if Roman

661
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: Wilson were in this draft, people will be talking about

662
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: him as a potential second.

663
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: Round draft pick.

664
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: So if you're rewind several hours, you weren't on with me,

665
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: but you were sitting here and you were working, and

666
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus joined us, and I

667
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: was really grilling them on d Lineman.

668
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: But at the end.

669
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: West brought up, you know what about the receivers, and

670
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: he talked about you know, Golden and Burden and the

671
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: top guys. But then unsolicited, he said, but I.

672
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Really liked Roman Wilson here. Yeah.

673
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player. We just had to see

674
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: him last year year because of the injury stuff.

675
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think people were looking at him like

676
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: he's a boss too, and it's we've explained this over

677
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: and over. I don't think that's the case. I mean,

678
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: it'd been nice to see more of them, and there

679
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: probably could have been some opportunity, but I don't think

680
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: it was. We don't think this guy can play. You know,

681
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: he has no chance. He's not going to help us.

682
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, had him to the mix too. That's encouraging.

683
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: I think people looked at him in particular, and you know, well,

684
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 2: you know he was healthy for a while and they

685
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: didn't bring him back. Well, yeah, because he missed training

686
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: camp and he's a rookie. Yeah, you know, we saw

687
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: how how difficult it was, you know, for Mike Williams

688
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: to get on the field after the trade. He's a

689
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: veteran guy who's been in the league for eight years,

690
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper.

691
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: I mean those guy Hopkins with the Chiefs, so they

692
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: struggled to make an impact. Yeah, a lot of these

693
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: guys that are new to their that at that position

694
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: have a tough time acclimating. It's not just a Wilson thing. Yeah,

695
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: so don't write his book yet by any.

696
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: Means in essence, in this particular draft, getting those two

697
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: guys back, you're getting an additional first round draft pick

698
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: and an additional second round draft pick.

699
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

700
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: Basically, I mean a top ten receiver and a top

701
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: two or three type O lineman guy, maybe the top

702
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: maybe number one.

703
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so you know, I when when people say,

704
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: well you need a draft offensive, they got to go

705
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: draft offensive. You're getting a first round offensive lineman back.

706
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: But you didn't have all last year. Yeah, I'm willing to.

707
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: They're still very high on and despite not playing much

708
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: football yet, has been all these both these guys and

709
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: Lee and Watts, they've been professionals for a year two.

710
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's basically a red shirt year for them.

711
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: They understand.

712
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds stupid, but they you know, they

713
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: now have their homes and their apartments and their cars

714
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: and their route to work and their favorite rest They

715
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: know where everything's at in the building, and they know

716
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: all the stuff football, you know.

717
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean they they've.

718
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: Sat in the classroom the entire time when right, Okay,

719
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm learning. They know the offense now.

720
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, well that's all Seamalu handles himself, you know,

721
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: and on game day and prep work and all those

722
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: type of things too. Okay, I'm a better professional than

723
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: when I came in the league. Yeah, despite not playing.

724
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: I just think that I mean, it's it's honestly it's

725
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: like having a you know, additional Day one and two

726
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: draft picks this year that you're going to be able

727
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: to make use of next year. And you get those

728
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: picks this year. I also think Lee might be your

729
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 2: next Lowry.

730
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: Watts Warmly, you know that guy. But yeah, there's a

731
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: lot of value to that too. If he's like your

732
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: fifth guy that plays quality snaps great.

733
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot to like there, and

734
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we'll see what he becomes. But

735
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, he's six', five he's two hundred and eighty five,

736
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: pounds ninety. POUNDS i, mean you, know we'll see what

737
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: that turns. Into so, obvious, yeah.

738
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: For the first two, picks BUT i mean the fact

739
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: that four half their draft class was not.

740
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Available but when people are talking about The steelers draft, needs,

741
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: yeah offensive line and wide, Receiver well you've got two

742
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: of those starts.

743
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: Coming come, back, Right but you didn't get to see last.

744
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Year so let's not forget about.

745
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: That so let's sweep them away because, well they didn't

746
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: do anything as a, rookie.

747
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: Sure or neither one of us suggesting they're, done especially a.

748
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: RECEIVER i, mean and.

749
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Made that pretty clear that they're gonna. Receiver.

750
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: Right but and even Mister rooney said that is you,

751
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: know even when we've done our mock drafts and things

752
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: of that, nature we've you, know we've gone you, know you, know,

753
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: yeah you Have George. Pickens if you lose these guys

754
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: and we're gonna go sign another, guy and then you're

755
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: still going to draft a guy we've kind of forgotten

756
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: About Roman wilson in that.

757
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: Regard, yeah, YEAH i, mean, FRANKLY i think the guys

758
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: that are most certain will be on the opening day

759
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: roster Are wilson And. Austin, yeah you, know and they're

760
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: gonna be. There, YEAH i MEAN i Think pickens, will

761
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: but there's a chance he gets. Traded everybody else fill.

762
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: In the, gaps, right you know how many of those

763
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: are gonna Be, yeah they're gonna be, There and you know,

764
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: what that's the jumping off.

765
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Point what do they bring to the. Table that's that's the.

766
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: Question but, again if they If Troy filtano And Roman

767
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: wilson were in.

768
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: This particular draft this, year ye.

769
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: Would be highly sought, after maybe a top ten, pick

770
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: And wilson probably doesn't get out of the top.

771
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Sixty, Yeah SO i Thought max had a lot of

772
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 3: really good, stuff you, know offensive line scheme stuff and

773
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: what they were asked to do and all those type

774
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: of things. Too your two in a system goes a

775
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: long way as. Well, yeah and you, know for everybody, evolved.

776
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: You're adding two key players at two key.

777
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: POSITIONS i, mean they thought enough for those guys last

778
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: year to take them in the first and third. Rounds,

779
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: yeah they obviously like, them and they're gonna be a

780
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: part of the.

781
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: Part of the process. Here And i've very high Hopes. Foranu, Yeah,

782
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: Wilson i'm excited.

783
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: About. Yeah.

784
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely let's get to another. Break he is The Matt.

785
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: WILLIAMSON i Am Dale. Lolly this is The drive on

786
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: The Steelers Audio. Network we are live from THE Nfl Scouting.

787
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: Combine Max stark's back in the saddle here with. Us

788
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: he will be back for the next segment and we'll

789
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: take you all the way through till five o'clock here

790
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: on these very.

791
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Airwaves we'll be back with more right after. This and

792
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: we are.

793
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: BACK i Am Dale lally here With Max starks and

794
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: The Matt williamson and uh, well we are live here

795
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: at THE Nfl Scouting. Combine we will be here all

796
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: week long Until. Friday, uh then we will pack up

797
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: and head back To, Pittsburgh mettle Or maxwell head back

798
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: To phoenix and uh yeah we'll see, again maybe owners.

799
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: MEETINGS i guess owners. MEETINGS i, hey going to the breakers. Guys, yeah, yeah,

800
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah i'll probably drive down from MORE.

801
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: Landa i'll probably see my mom in the process before

802
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 4: then then drive down to meet you guys.

803
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: There one of the things that came up, Yesterday, uh

804
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: and there.

805
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: WAS i guess a meeting of the competition committee over

806
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: the weekend would be a telephone though obviously they'll probably

807
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: have a meeting here as.

808
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Well Mike tomlin sits on that banning of the tush.

809
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Bush somebody somebody.

810
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: Brought that up as a as an offensive, lineman as

811
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: a purist of the.

812
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: Game, yes what do you think about that?

813
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: Play if you got, It god bless, you BECAUSE i

814
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 5: mean it's a lineman's dream right to be able to

815
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 5: get in and create a full on SPARTAN failanx on

816
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: the football.

817
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: Field you know What i'm, Saying, like it's the shield, wall, right,

818
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 4: essentially that's what it. Is you know What i'm, Saying,

819
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: like being as a war history, buff without and, yeah

820
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: no spears.

821
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: And no, shields BUT i mean pretty. Close you, know.

822
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: Helmets are, close and there's fists there that like. Spears

823
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 4: it's a phenomenal. PLAY i just, think like you, said

824
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: it's different if one team only has access to it right.

825
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: Now granted other teams could practice, it but they. Don't

826
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: we're seeing, More we're seeing more try. It but it's not,

827
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: that not to the degree of The Philadelphia. Eagles it's a.

828
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 4: Play it's, legal you know What i'm saying that that's

829
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: the other.

830
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: Thing it wasn't legal though when you, played it was not.

831
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: Illegal we weren't allowed to get that titan get the

832
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: end food hog in that type of way.

833
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: You should be.

834
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: ILLEGAL i, MEAN i believe, it BUT i, mean Let's fay.

835
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: Said i've, also you, know we've done the catapult position,

836
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: before right where you know you've turned behind and you

837
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: kind of just your guy you take the pancake.

838
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Block it's a little different, Though, yeah it. Is it.

839
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: Is you, know it used to be illegal when you,

840
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: played because, guys you'd see the you, know offensive. Lineman

841
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: everybody stood up and then all of a sudden you

842
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: get somebody crashing into the back of, them and, yeah

843
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: bad things happen after bad, feeling but.

844
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: It was also more so like we would catch it

845
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: at the end of, runs, right you know What i'm.

846
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 4: Saying that's where it wasn't the. Design it wasn't a

847
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: design from snap type of. Run ours was postplay. Action

848
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: when does the whistle stop right? Right because you can't

849
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: see when the running back's legs actually stop and keep

850
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 4: going because of all the you, know the massive humanity

851
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: that's in there this from the, BEGINNING i think you

852
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: need to tighter regulate how it can be. Implemented SO

853
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: i think you need to adjust it on who and,

854
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: where just like you, know just like the extra point

855
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: right and field, goal like removing a guy off of

856
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 4: the actual snapt, body right outside of the framework of the.

857
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: BODY i think that could be something where you, say

858
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: you can maybe aid the offensive, lineman but the quarterback.

859
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: Can't you, know you can't, push you can't push the quarterback,

860
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: through but you can help a down lineman. Through as

861
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: far as root hogging in those, MOMENTS i think it

862
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: has to be. REFINED i don't think you need to

863
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: ban it, completely BUT i think it does have to

864
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: be tweaked as far as it just for competitive fairness

865
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 4: right across the, board, because LIKE i, said we see

866
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: one team that can really do it and thirty one

867
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 4: other teams that either don't or they suck at doing, it.

868
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: RIGHT i mean that that that's what it comes down,

869
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 4: to and we're here to, create not to create disadvantages

870
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 4: in favor of one. Team we're trying to make it

871
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: equitable across the. Board SO i think it can be.

872
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: TWEAKED i don't think you need to get rid of it,

873
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: completely but you do have to change some of some

874
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: OF i think the legality and the formality of.

875
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: IT i just DON'T i don't play. ITSELF i, mean

876
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: is it all that different from a quarterback? Sneak not

877
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: really in the grand scheme of, things it's just. Quarterbacks

878
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: the ones that drive me, crazy, though are when you

879
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: see the running back he's five yards down the field

880
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: and now there's he stood, up but they allow the

881
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: play to. Continue then you go to the to the

882
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: to the game against UH i think it Was Kansas.

883
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: City at the end of the first, Half George pickens

884
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: catches a ball out on the, edge guy's tackling. Him

885
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: another guy player comes, in knocks, him knocks his own,

886
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: guy they attack.

887
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: Would be tackler.

888
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: Off they'd already blown the whistle When George pickens is

889
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: running down the. Sidelines, yes if that was a running

890
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: back in the in the inside the, box they would

891
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: not have blown blown the.

892
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Whistle Den, No, no they would not.

893
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 4: Have and that that's WHERE i think you have To

894
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: that's WHY i think you have to Have, YEAH i

895
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 4: hate to say Because i'm not a guy who wants

896
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: to expand an already ridiculous rule, book you know What i'm,

897
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: Saying because that's the. Thing we're supposed to make this

898
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: a little bit. Clearer but the problem is when you

899
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: evolve player body, types you evolve skill.

900
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: Sets.

901
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: Things guys are, bigger, faster. Stronger human eye doesn't catch it.

902
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: All SO i want it more simplistic and just make

903
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: it easy for us to understand if his feet, stop ball,

904
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: dead feet keep, going ball still keeps. Going ball does

905
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: not get blown. Whistled you know What i'm, Saying, like

906
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 4: does not get blown, dead that cutting, dry that's cutting.

907
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: Dry feet stop playstops feet, go play still goes.

908
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: Like just keep it that. Simple AND i think that's

909
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: where we kind of. Were, well the guy that was

910
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: on him the angle with which his foot.

911
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: No.

912
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: No and with the, quarterbacks you, know, quarterbacks if the

913
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: guy's wrapped around, him even if his feet are still,

914
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: moving they'll blow.

915
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Dead they'll blow a dead.

916
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: Immediately and it's, like, okay now a quarterback in the

917
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: backfield of something is a different, story, Right and so

918
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: there's too many what ifs and exception to this asterisk,

919
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 4: here comma here and butt or you, Know AND i

920
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 4: think just cut and. Drive the legs are still. Going

921
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: you can still go legs, stop play stops and that

922
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: and keep it at.

923
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: That and then we come to the toush.

924
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 4: Push, okay you cannot push the primary ball, carry but

925
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: you can push guys around, him, right you. Can you

926
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 4: can create the failin, skill you can create that, pocket

927
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: but you can't push the guy over the top of, that.

928
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: RIGHT i think that would be making a lot. Easier

929
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: my complaints with it are just As. JOE i just

930
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: Think joe average fans sitting on his lazy boy doesn't

931
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: enjoy the. PLAY i don't think it's enjoyable entertaining in any.

932
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: Way it's almost like The manners game where we see it.

933
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Whistled you, know they're flying over the, time, right four.

934
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: Or five times and they're going to touchdown and every you,

935
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: know IF i wanted to watch, rugby i'd put rugby.

936
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: ON i, mean it's not it's a rugby. Scrum it's such.

937
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: Scrum and then the other thing is and it hasn't,

938
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: happened AND i hope it. Doesn't BUT i thought watching

939
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: it for the first couple of, Times i'm, like quarterbacks

940
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: should get. Hurt somebody's pushing me from, behind And i'm

941
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: meeting all this resistance from you, know like they get.

942
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 3: Ben something bad's gonna. Happen, Yeah i'm.

943
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: Gonna get it hasn't because you, know the, body the

944
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: body control lean of a quarterback most of the time

945
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: they've been you, Know Jalen hurts is strong, enough, RIGHT

946
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: i mean he Squats, barkley so you know for, him

947
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: he has a low.

948
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: Back But i'm, worried like If Kenny pickett tried to

949
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: run that same exactly or.

950
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Anybody, well they did do it With Kenny, pickett AND

951
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: i don't think it. Worked, no it did not. Work

952
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: you know what people doesn't have legs for? It, well

953
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: why doesn't everybody do? It, well not everybody Has jalen

954
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: hurts who has legs like tree. Trunks AND i also

955
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Wonder burrow and it wasn't A kelsey.

956
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: Thing wasn't that kel thing Because Cam jurgens also had

957
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: the capability to do. It AND i, think you, know

958
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 4: LIKE i, Said Joe, BURROW i wouldn't run to push

959
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: With Joe burrow in a half he get broken in

960
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: half because the problem is is the problem when you

961
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: get here and you get stood, up if that knee

962
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 4: is extended and the rest of your body's, BACK i.

963
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: Think it's a potentially very dangerous that's.

964
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: A season ending knee injury in that moment because you'll

965
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 4: get crippled or you get bent back behind and then

966
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 4: all of a, sudden you're running back pushes you while

967
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: guys in your.

968
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 3: Chest now you've got low. Back i'm getting pushed on both.

969
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: SIDES i, MEAN i thought there'd be a lot of.

970
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: Injuries it hasn't, been which is.

971
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Great but, yeah because most teams realize quarterbacks.

972
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: Or what other teams do though they've a tight end

973
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: coming into.

974
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: It yeah, yeah they run wildcat right or running back

975
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: get in there right and takes a snap from under.

976
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: Center, yeah he's less. Valuable burrow doing.

977
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: It, yeah, yeah, no, NO i need a guy that you,

978
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: know my guy is on the second. Contract we just paid,

979
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: him you, know a quarter of a million, dollars a

980
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 4: quarter of a million. Dollars i'm keeping that guy out

981
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: of that, way and he doesn't need to do. It, hey, hey,

982
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: minimum wait.

983
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: Guy, yeah it's just you, know between, THAT.

984
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I got used to the new kickoff. Rule. YEAH i

985
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: didn't like the new. KICKOFF i still, don't BUT i

986
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: got used to, it AND i UNDERSTANDATURAL i understand why

987
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: they're doing. It and concussions were down this.

988
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Year, Yes now it was it because of that, necessarily

989
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: we don't, know we just know, that or.

990
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 4: Was it because everybody just kicked it out of the

991
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: ends said we'll just start with seventy yards a.

992
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: Field so now they're talking about moving the kickoffs back

993
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: five more yards.

994
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: So people can't do.

995
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: It so people can't do that as easily and you

996
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: have more kick. Returns.

997
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah because once, again as long as there are

998
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 4: rules this, world there will always be people who will

999
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: look to break or Been, absolutely that's just the nature

1000
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: of human.

1001
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Beings, yeah, exactly.

1002
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: Exactly you, know you, know it's, like, hey the money

1003
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: that was under the table in college is now on

1004
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 4: top of the. Table you know What i'm.

1005
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: Saying first, Reward, yeah got a reward exists different when

1006
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: a guy has a half a million dollar car.

1007
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: Collection after, that sham now gets his.

1008
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 4: Gun, yeah exactly Whatis florida And georgia do you see

1009
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: us on the? Docket they're trying to make nil money

1010
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: tax free to the, players try and make it more.

1011
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: Enticing So i'm, like it's just it. Was it's no

1012
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: different than here when we talk about THE. Prola, hey

1013
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: if you go To tennessee Or texas or no state income,

1014
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: tax you know that that's a Savings but now you

1015
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 4: know it's like you're trying to further.

1016
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: That BUT i, mean BUT i think that's.

1017
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: One of the biggest things THAT i look at is you,

1018
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: know like that compensation is one, thing and LIKE i,

1019
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 3: said we make.

1020
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: Decisions on who should do what based off of what you're,

1021
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: paid what's your valuability to?

1022
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: This but BUT i kind OF i kind of lost

1023
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: my train of thought just.

1024
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Now then doesn't sound like you have a huge problem

1025
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: with the touch. PUSH i don't have a huge. PROBLEM

1026
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: i have a huge. Problem My my issue comes more

1027
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: with the application not they actually play.

1028
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 4: Itself BECAUSE i love the fact that you can get

1029
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 4: down and root hog and just drive it. Forward but

1030
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: like you, said the push from, behind multiple guys pushing

1031
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: one one has each cheek.

1032
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Assignment so, yeah, yeah that's WHERE i have a. Problem

1033
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: just allow somebody get get. It you. Know well you

1034
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: can lift.

1035
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: The guy up shorts right and put them up in

1036
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: the air like. THAT i have a problem with, that,

1037
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: right you know What i'm, Saying like those are the

1038
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: things so it's more nuanced than anything. ELSE i like

1039
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 4: BECAUSE i love quarterback. Sneaks, MAN i love What then

1040
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 4: we'll call out to quarterbacks BECAUSE i was, like, okay

1041
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: which one which size is the?

1042
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Nose shade it? On that's the way we're. Going.

1043
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: ANYWAYS i used to Love brady doing, it who's not

1044
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: big and strong like, her you, know the most physical.

1045
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: GUY i just smart AND i hit that hole AND

1046
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: i pick it, up you know, exactly just dive forward

1047
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: and get.

1048
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: There SO I i love, it AND i love the

1049
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: physical nature that it brings to. It BUT i just,

1050
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: don't LIKE i, SAID i don't want the additional assistance

1051
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: because every if it's just one guy doing, it but

1052
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 4: normally it's two guys behind, him, yeah making the failings

1053
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: and then and then you're wedging him in. There SO,

1054
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 4: i LIKE i, said if you move it off and you,

1055
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: LIKE i can now use the guard or a tackle

1056
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: and push in that way and quarterback has to make

1057
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: his own way after, That i'm fine with.

1058
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: That BUT i, think, yeah exactly to that role aid ball.

1059
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: Carrier yeah and listen and. LISTEN i was.

1060
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: ONE i was, notorious you know in my career peeling

1061
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: off the. Pile LIKE i loved. IT i was, like

1062
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 4: please please stand SO i can. Go and you, know

1063
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: and you, know you can't allow alignment to launch. ANYMORE

1064
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 4: I i used to. Launch if you watch my, Film

1065
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: oh we can get that pile? Up oh you? Were oh,

1066
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 4: man yeah, exactly Worm. Burners, Man i'm there for. It

1067
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: i'm there for pick, off pick, off the whack a,

1068
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: mole you know What i'm.

1069
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: SAYING i love. THAT i love that. Play, so you,

1070
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: know SO.

1071
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: I THINK i think that's WHY i have an affinity towards.

1072
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 4: It but like you, said it just needs to Be

1073
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: it needs to be, changed changed a little bit and

1074
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 4: tweaked so that it is equitable for everybody else.

1075
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: Involved i'm, sure you wouldn't mind being on That eagles.

1076
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: Line just drive it down people's.

1077
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: Throat, Also i'm small now on that Off Makai beckton

1078
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: was bigger than, me you know What i'm. Saying so

1079
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: as long AS i can say THAT i was not

1080
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: the biggest And i'm my second, Biggest i'm cool with.

1081
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 4: That jordanie a lot taller than, me SO i get

1082
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 4: to be number two for a, time SO i don't

1083
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: stick out as. MUCH i blend, in except for When

1084
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: i'm standing next To Cam.

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Speaker 1: Jurgens they may have made you a guard like back. That, yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly all of a. Sudden, yeah, well let's get to

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Speaker 1: another break. Here that's going to do it for hour

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Speaker 1: number two here with us the.

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Speaker 4: Book we're just cutting the.

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Speaker 2: Down we get an hour remaining here of our live

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Speaker 2: coverage today.

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Speaker 1: From THE Nfl Scouting.

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Speaker 2: Combine we'll be back again, tomorrow starting fresh at nine,

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Speaker 2: am going all the way till five.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: Uh but he Is Max, starks That's Matt, williamson AND

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Speaker 2: i Am Dale, Lolly

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Speaker 1: And we'll be back with more on the drive right

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Speaker 1: after this