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Speaker 1: four of Neighbor. Wait wait wait wait wait nator twenty
Speaker 1: four Did you say neighbor?
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Speaker 5: twenty four?
Speaker 1: First, twenty four, yore, We twenty four here at Native
Speaker 1: LAMPI where we give it to you direct, honest, truthful
Speaker 1: on the political end. And then the culture, y'all, we.
Speaker 6: Be wilding something, you know why though it's still.
Speaker 1: But on the I said, on the culture, sometimes we
Speaker 1: be wilding. I can't even put that in a box.
Speaker 1: All right, I can't put it in the box. We're
Speaker 1: your hosts, everybody. Tiffany Cross, say what's up, tiff.
Speaker 4: Hi, guys, Angela Rye.
Speaker 1: And I'm Andrew Gillam. I hope everybody's doing well today
Speaker 1: and enjoying this summer. Ladies, How y'all doing great?
Speaker 6: I'm doing great.
Speaker 5: It's a hot one this week, you guys. Like temperatures
Speaker 5: are first of all, in Florida, it's gotta be like
Speaker 5: frying egg on the sidewalk hot.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred degrees. Yes, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. My
Speaker 1: kids come home with he bumps every I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: y'all just hollow. But it's all good. They're in the water,
Speaker 1: you know, they're having a good time.
Speaker 6: Speaking of the Gillams, I got on Jay's jacket today.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 7: I asked, yeah, I asked her where she got it from.
Speaker 7: And then I went and got me my fiks r
Speaker 7: j levigear.
Speaker 1: Little people will deserve fun too. I love that, you know,
Speaker 1: the fun sized clothes. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. And on today's episode, y'all, we got
Speaker 1: a lot going on. It's another day, it's another week,
Speaker 1: which means guess what, there's another pole. We're gonna give
Speaker 1: y'all some updates on what's happening in these early states.
Speaker 1: Not like it's gonna look any different than last week,
Speaker 1: but who knows. We'll try faith. And then, of course,
Speaker 1: did y'all hear, especially you, miss lady from Atlanta, that
Speaker 1: there is a rumble in the peach tree jungle?
Speaker 4: That was for you, tiff I have no idea what
Speaker 4: we're right now. I'm letting you do.
Speaker 1: It, golle. The debate, y'all, the debate, it was a
Speaker 1: million of them.
Speaker 6: I was like a.
Speaker 1: Rumble in the peach tree jungle, Tiffany, can you help
Speaker 1: me perfect? That? Clearly is not a jungle, But y'all,
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying it.
Speaker 4: Was a million rumbles. Okay. Anyway, the point trying to
Speaker 4: tell y'all is.
Speaker 5: The presidential debate is upcoming, and we got it okay.
Speaker 6: Fifteen hours later, Thank you, Translator in chief.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: what we could expect to see coming up next week, y'all.
Speaker 1: Both presidential candidates Biden and Trump will be in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: More to come on that one, Angela, what you got
Speaker 1: on your side.
Speaker 7: Well, I would like to talk a little bit about this.
Speaker 7: Fifty fifty almost said fifteenth five zero. You said fifty
Speaker 7: million dollar abby from the Biden campaign. It's an ad
Speaker 7: that launched calling Donald Trump a convicted criminal, and that
Speaker 7: ad is targeting voters of color. I am fascinated by
Speaker 7: this choice, and I would love to get into the
Speaker 7: strategy discussion of that.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that one. I think I hear
Speaker 1: the premise of the kids being made. Tiffany, what's happening
Speaker 1: on your horizon?
Speaker 6: Well, I have.
Speaker 5: Some somber things to talk about, unfortunately, and that is
Speaker 5: there is a major humanitarian crisis happening where over twenty
Speaker 5: five million people are facing inadequate food or starvation. And
Speaker 5: I'm going to get into that because one place you
Speaker 5: won't hear about it is in Western media, where they
Speaker 5: insist on covering the same three topics every single day,
Speaker 5: and it's exhausting. But there's a huge story happening across
Speaker 5: the globe that other people are consuming and certainly our
Speaker 5: audience should too.
Speaker 1: Tiffany has been good having you back from the continent
Speaker 1: these past several weeks, because it didn't take your visit
Speaker 1: there to I think centerfold these issues for us because
Speaker 1: you've been doing it all along. But I think it
Speaker 1: comes with some extra weight on it when you bring
Speaker 1: it Tiffany now. And I'm looking forward to looking forward
Speaker 1: to the conversation. However, unfortunately he is obviously in that
Speaker 1: part of the world. But before we get too serious, everyone,
Speaker 1: we got an interesting story for politics everywhere, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask you give us a little grace today because
Speaker 1: it's so juicy, y'all. I couldn't wait till the end
Speaker 1: of the episode to bring it to you. We're going
Speaker 1: to start it out on the front end, Si Angelou. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all cold with that?
Speaker 6: Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1: So a Texas Democrat decided to send himself some fake
Speaker 1: racist online messages and he has, as a result of
Speaker 1: been arrested. This is candidate for Fort Bank County Commission
Speaker 1: to Rawl Patel And let me just let y'all hear
Speaker 1: directly from the news sources themselves there and to what
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 8: Patel sent out a press release with the collage of
Speaker 8: supposed racist social media posts that he claimed were directed
Speaker 8: at him. Meyer told investigators he recognized one of the
Speaker 8: accounts behind the comments as Antonio scallywag. The documents then
Speaker 8: further detailed how they linked that account back to Patel,
Speaker 8: including getting a subpoena from Facebook and Google. From there,
Speaker 8: they were able to obtain account and payment information matching
Speaker 8: Patel's credit card number, address, phone number, and other personal data.
Speaker 8: Patel now faces a third degree felony of online impersonation
Speaker 8: and class A misdemeanor for misrepresentation of identity. The Daisey's
Speaker 8: office tells us this is the first time that they've
Speaker 8: charged someone with that specific election related misdemeanor.
Speaker 1: Oh y'all ah right, Jesus, does he win the race?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't know. Let's talk about a
Speaker 6: bigger race here, and no pun intended.
Speaker 7: I just wonder how many times people on both sides
Speaker 7: of the aisle and somewhere in between.
Speaker 6: Are gonna continue to traffic in this tiff.
Speaker 7: We know, we had a little call without you yesterday
Speaker 7: and we were talking about it's not gonna be politics
Speaker 7: are everywhere today, is gonna be nonsense is everywhere? And
Speaker 7: this is really one of those This is really one
Speaker 7: of those moments. I think what's sad about here is
Speaker 7: I think people of color, particularly in particular. We know
Speaker 7: that there is a higher bar for us, and there
Speaker 7: are certain things that you can't do. I don't know
Speaker 7: enough about Terrell's background. Terrell, I wonder if that's even
Speaker 7: that man. Nay, probably some different how than called this
Speaker 7: had a straight brother's day. Shout out to Terrell Jackson
Speaker 7: a caffish corner.
Speaker 6: See, I watched it.
Speaker 7: But anyway, I mean Jesus, But I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 7: I really wonder, speaking of caffish, why did he catfish
Speaker 7: these people? Why and pretend like he was getting racist? Hey, mail,
Speaker 7: here's the reality of the situation. We don't have to
Speaker 7: make up racism. We live it every day. We don't
Speaker 7: have to come up with a fake tweet or a
Speaker 7: fake Facebook post or Instagram story about it all.
Speaker 6: We experience it every single day.
Speaker 7: And I promise you, if y'all are not experiencing it,
Speaker 7: it's not much to be desired here. I want freedom
Speaker 7: for you. I want liberation for you. I want you
Speaker 7: to be able to go forth outside of oppression. I
Speaker 7: don't need you to make this up, because we got
Speaker 7: it hard enough out here on the record, off the record,
Speaker 7: in between the record. We don't need you to make
Speaker 7: up any false records. That's all I got on this, Andrew.
Speaker 6: That's all I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiffany, I just have to say it must. I've
Speaker 1: been in local I've been in media markets where you
Speaker 1: have to fight for attention when you're in a race
Speaker 1: and there are bigger races going on. I just have
Speaker 1: to imagine that the young man just got overcome by
Speaker 1: his desire to want to win and serve the people
Speaker 1: of his community so bad. You're so nice that he thought, Man,
Speaker 1: what is the most extreme thing I can do to
Speaker 1: give some attention? And Facebook, which never acts on anything
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, these individual complaints, gonna
Speaker 1: get a subpoena, get the man's credit card, w records,
Speaker 1: I mean, put together all the facts to show that
Speaker 1: he was indeed the one behind I don't know, racist
Speaker 1: attacks on himself. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wish Metal would use their resources for actual genuine
Speaker 5: challenges that they have. And I don't know enough about
Speaker 5: this man's district to say what his chances are. And
Speaker 5: I think I don't know if you're being nice, naive
Speaker 5: or sarcastic when you say he wanted to deserve the
Speaker 5: people so badly, Andrew, because this is narcissism one on
Speaker 5: one brother, Like, I mean, I look at this immediate.
Speaker 5: It's like you want the traffic and genuine pain of
Speaker 5: so many people in this country to gain sympathy and
Speaker 5: some sort of victory by pretending that you are a
Speaker 5: victim of these kind of messages. This is for sure nonsense.
Speaker 5: And I think of all the candidates, you know, there's
Speaker 5: an infrastructure when it comes to the party on who
Speaker 5: the party supports, who the party funds, who you know,
Speaker 5: a predominantly white male donor class uses viable And I
Speaker 5: think this kind of thing is damaging and makes a
Speaker 5: steep hill that much more steeper for people who are
Speaker 5: probably much better well suited candidates to service constituents. I
Speaker 5: don't know how you go on to DC after that
Speaker 5: when you've lost credibility and the trust of the people
Speaker 5: who you know would have been voters and supporters. So
Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't like that he did
Speaker 5: that at all. It's not it's not cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. And for the record, here the
Speaker 1: investigation and to all of this story began because Andy
Speaker 1: Meyer's opponent to mister Patel decided to initiate an investigation
Speaker 1: I just want to say, this young man is representing
Speaker 1: nobody but himself. Yes, right now, right there's no broader
Speaker 1: message to be I think the I from from it
Speaker 1: other than to say, you know, I thought this was
Speaker 1: lighthearted only because of how insanely stupid it was. But
Speaker 1: but but in truth, y'all, I think all of us
Speaker 1: agree here that, you know, race racism is nothing to
Speaker 1: be played with, nothing to be toy with, And as
Speaker 1: Angela already pointed out, you certainly don't have to manufacture
Speaker 1: the experience on this.
Speaker 7: I do want to point out to Andrew, he was
Speaker 7: actually running for a position you've once held, not in Texas,
Speaker 7: but in Florida. He's running for county commissioner mission So
Speaker 7: he was not gonna go to DC, thank god. Tip
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no, he's running for county commissioner.
Speaker 1: No, but y'all know we've seen worse in Congress.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, now we've got to have that. We don't
Speaker 6: have to have a pression Olympics. I was just.
Speaker 7: Saying that, yeah, he's not he was not going there,
Speaker 7: and now he's definitely not going anywhere. I don't even
Speaker 7: think he's going to the county commissioner. Might be going
Speaker 7: to the county jail.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, First of all, thank y'all for
Speaker 1: humoring me on that one. But to pick up on
Speaker 1: your last point, Angela, whether or not this mistake is
Speaker 1: one that is I don't know, career ending. Well, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Poland coming from it may be telling a
Speaker 1: different story. Let's take a quick break, pay some bills,
Speaker 1: and come right back on the other side of that.
Speaker 1: So clearly I fumbled all over that rumble, y'all, and
Speaker 1: I apologize to the listeners for the corniness of my jokes.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I just am who I am.
Speaker 1: What is most important, though, that we take away from this, y'all,
Speaker 1: is that we are commencing with probably the earliest series
Speaker 1: of general election debates that we've seen in modern presidential elections.
Speaker 1: June twenty seven. June twenty seven, next week in Atlanta, Georgia,
Speaker 1: Jake Tapper and Dana Bash will co moderate presidential debate
Speaker 1: between Donald Trump and the sitting president Joe Biden. And
Speaker 1: guess what they agreed to, y'all. They have agreed to
Speaker 1: muting the mics when it is not your turn to speak.
Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out, but they've also agreed
Speaker 1: to no opening statements, and to Donald Trump's great chagran,
Speaker 1: there will be no audience, and again all the conditions
Speaker 1: will agree to by both sides, and I think it'll
Speaker 1: just be an interesting piece. I'd love to hear if
Speaker 1: y'all have any thoughts, any predictions on what you think
Speaker 1: happens next weekend and this debate before we talk just
Speaker 1: a second about some poland.
Speaker 4: I'm happy with the rules. I do.
Speaker 5: I like that they're muting the mics. Yeah, I love
Speaker 5: that there's no audience. I know we talked about this before,
Speaker 5: and you guys are saying mean so much to the candidates,
Speaker 5: But I think as journalists, your obligation is to the viewer,
Speaker 5: to the American body politic, and so all that cheering
Speaker 5: can sometimes misrepresent what is actually happening in the room,
Speaker 5: and people, you know, apply the audience with their support
Speaker 5: and it just takes up time. I think it's so
Speaker 5: important just to hear the meat of what these two
Speaker 5: people are saying. Put together, put forth your best ideas
Speaker 5: for the country, and let the people at home deal
Speaker 5: with the cheers and jeers. Donald Trump is a bully.
Speaker 5: He has a habit of over talking people, or interrupting
Speaker 5: people and making a spectacle of himself just to draw
Speaker 5: attention to himself. And so he won't have that opportunity now.
Speaker 5: So he will be without his cheering squad, without his sickophants,
Speaker 5: and without his bullying tools. And let's see what kind
Speaker 5: of policy discussions they have for that part. I think
Speaker 5: it'll be interesting. I am concerned with how many people
Speaker 5: are going to watch, you know, with so many things
Speaker 5: pulling at your attention, what's also happening just up the
Speaker 5: road in Atlanta on that same night as the taping
Speaker 5: A Black Girl's Rock. I wish there was some sort
Speaker 5: of way where these two things could cohabitate, given the
Speaker 5: role that black women play in the American body politic.
Speaker 5: So I don't think that's gonna happen, but yeah, it'd be.
Speaker 5: It'd be interesting to see what happens in how people respond.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't, I don't know. I don't disagree, Angela.
Speaker 1: I think you're deliberately holding your fire on this one.
Speaker 7: I didn't know we were talking about this, and we're
Speaker 7: not gonna talk about it. I'm just ready for the
Speaker 7: rumble in the Peachtree Jungle. But let's go to the polls,
Speaker 7: the real speaking of Atlanta Poles.
Speaker 6: See what I did.
Speaker 4: There, Speaking of Atlanta Poles, people think something else?
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 7: See what I did there? Man, This is a this
Speaker 7: is a we having a tough one today. I was
Speaker 7: talking about p O L E. S to transition this
Speaker 7: to L L.
Speaker 1: Well, guess what.
Speaker 9: We?
Speaker 1: As I said before, this is another day. That means
Speaker 1: there are more poles, of course. But I do think
Speaker 1: it's noteworthy to consider that this debate that's happening next
Speaker 1: week is happening just as some of the polling through
Speaker 1: the the various national outlets that have conduct a polling
Speaker 1: since the Trump verdict are beginning to see some of
Speaker 1: the results of that show up in their polling. And
Speaker 1: I guess the truth is is that I think these
Speaker 1: things will continue to change, and there's so much that
Speaker 1: will be dynamic between now and the election day it's
Speaker 1: hard to even say well or not this stuff will
Speaker 1: weigh all the way through. But do know that apparently
Speaker 1: independent voters have decided, to the tune of about thirty
Speaker 1: percent of them that the Donald Trump conviction will make
Speaker 1: them less likely to vote for Donald Trump. I got
Speaker 1: issues with the term independent, and I got, and I
Speaker 1: got real questions about whether or not less likely means
Speaker 1: I will not vote for him, or if it just means,
Speaker 1: you know, less likely. Also interesting takeaway from polling that
Speaker 1: took place this weekend, y'all, alarm bells continue to sound
Speaker 1: for the Biden campaign and for Democrats who I think
Speaker 1: are just perpetually nervous. I consider myself one of them,
Speaker 1: because the state polling based off of some of the
Speaker 1: seven most mentioned target states shows the black voters in
Speaker 1: key key Democratic demographics are showing again less enthusiasm for
Speaker 1: the ticket. Again, these are things that can change, but
Speaker 1: this is continuing to be a consistent theme over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. And then finally, I'm excited about this,
Speaker 1: and that is we have our own polling to introduce
Speaker 1: into the conversation today, y'all. We commissioned I can't remember
Speaker 1: which one of y'all commissioned, but Angela maybe it was you.
Speaker 7: You know that I said we are now going to
Speaker 7: be the newest Poland firm. Maybe we just send some
Speaker 7: money this way because I think our results might be
Speaker 7: more accurate to some of these fools they hire.
Speaker 6: Powell shots fired, I meant it.
Speaker 1: The beauty of it is is that our sample size
Speaker 1: is about as large as some of these national polls,
Speaker 1: so so it i'd to certainly make a difference to
Speaker 1: some of these advertisers out here around where it is
Speaker 1: you're putting your money. But we'll visit that later. Lolo,
Speaker 1: I know you can't, you can't respond to us, but
Speaker 1: we just want to give you a big thank you
Speaker 1: for the data that we are about to share. If
Speaker 1: we could, we could pop up a couple of slides
Speaker 1: and for our listening audience, we'll narrate these for you.
Speaker 1: But our first ever Native Land pod commissioned polling is
Speaker 1: in and frankly this was done Angela and Tiffany. In
Speaker 1: the midst of an episode, it was mentioned, Hey, we've
Speaker 1: got this poll, will you go out there and take it?
Speaker 1: And I was overwhelmed to see, you know, almost three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty listeners went on through their own initiation
Speaker 1: and began to take this poll, which you know, for
Speaker 1: some people could last up to ten minutes of their
Speaker 1: time and giving real feedback. I think some of the
Speaker 1: high points, if you will one, there were three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six total responders to this poll by comparison, y'all,
Speaker 1: the data that I was sharing with you around the
Speaker 1: trajectory that independence see seemed to be moving was a
Speaker 1: audience sampling size of just over five hundred. So we're
Speaker 1: coming in very close, coming in close to those numbers
Speaker 1: I think of Note, it's important to point out that
Speaker 1: of those who took the poll, three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: seven of them are registered voters.
Speaker 6: Whoo shout shout out to y'all.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and twenty seven of them are registered voters.
Speaker 1: And I was just blown away and impressed by that
Speaker 1: and figured you all would be two. It was also noteworthy,
Speaker 1: or is rather noteworthy, that the overwhelming majority of you
Speaker 1: have decided that you will participate in this upcoming election,
Speaker 1: and moreover, that you overwhelmingly support Joe Biden as we
Speaker 1: approach the November election, and then just real quickly on
Speaker 1: some of the issues that you all determined were important
Speaker 1: to you. I think no different than some of the
Speaker 1: national sampling we've seen economy, race, in equality, which we
Speaker 1: don't hear a lot of, I think in national conversation,
Speaker 1: even when we're talking of black blood about black voters
Speaker 1: tipped extremely high in our polls. Second most consistently cited issue,
Speaker 1: abortion rights came in third, and healthcare sort of just
Speaker 1: underneath that, and I think there's some co location on
Speaker 1: that issue, and then finally education, and then there were
Speaker 1: myriad of responses that responders were able to self initiate,
Speaker 1: self narrate, and they ran the gamut. But it's important
Speaker 1: to note that consistently, even in self identifying the issues,
Speaker 1: the issue of democrisy freedom came up also as a
Speaker 1: pretty consistent, a consistent theme. We'll make these available, this
Speaker 1: data available obviously for for our native land pod community.
Speaker 1: But and we've got an audience question associated with this.
Speaker 1: But Tiff Angela, I don't know if y'all had any
Speaker 1: initial sort of reaction to to to to what we
Speaker 1: heard from our listeners, but I just want to give
Speaker 1: a quick again thank you to them, a thank you
Speaker 1: to Lolo for her initiation, but to the listeners, I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all really, y'all really showed out here, and we appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 7: I hope that we keep these going, you know, up
Speaker 7: until the election, specifically specifically diving into more of what
Speaker 7: the issues they care about are, especially because that gives
Speaker 7: us an opportunity to kind of talk about some of
Speaker 7: those items on the show. I'm proud to say a
Speaker 7: little humble brag that we have touched on most of
Speaker 7: what was covered in the portions where they could self narrate.
Speaker 6: And I'd love to hear the listener question.
Speaker 5: But I would just say I love that three hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty seven people identify as registered voters. I would
Speaker 5: love the next time we did this to hear from
Speaker 5: people who aren't registered voters and why they're not. And
Speaker 5: I think this is a great example of how many
Speaker 5: people get overlooked in polling, which is why I hate polls.
Speaker 5: I think they're relevant to candidates and campaigns, but putting
Speaker 5: out data, to your point, Andrew, with these sample sizes,
Speaker 5: people will look at the headline and not actually the
Speaker 5: meat of it. So I have more confidence in this
Speaker 5: poll that Lolo generated for us than I do in
Speaker 5: a lot of the polls that you lead New York
Speaker 5: Times coverage or CNN coverage.
Speaker 4: So happy that we did this.
Speaker 1: That's real. Well, I will tell you we had a
Speaker 1: follow up from one of the persons who I presume
Speaker 1: probably also took the poll, who wanted the positive question
Speaker 1: to us. Let's listen real quick for the question.
Speaker 10: Hey ALVAM pod, This is Grant from southern California. I
Speaker 10: have a question regarding polling and how you're going to
Speaker 10: utilize the polling from native land community. I work in
Speaker 10: tech with UX designers and UX researchers, and there is
Speaker 10: a strategy called the empathy first approach or empathy driven design,
Speaker 10: which basically means you don't update a feature or make
Speaker 10: a new website without doing your due diligence and understanding
Speaker 10: what your clients or users' pain points actually are so
Speaker 10: and understanding that there is a demographic that is being ignored.
Speaker 10: I'm curious as to how you're going to utilize the
Speaker 10: information from native land pods of polling. I'm imagining using
Speaker 10: those insights, maybe making some infographics and things like that,
Speaker 10: but with the hope of making a list of demands
Speaker 10: like in the sixties, like the civil rights leaders had
Speaker 10: a list of things that they wanted to see changed.
Speaker 10: So I'm hoping that that is how you're going to
Speaker 10: utilize the information. The other question is is it possible
Speaker 10: to use the polling to demystify the false equivalences between
Speaker 10: Biden and Trump? They're both not great, but for very
Speaker 10: different reasons. Biden might be a tone deaf old man,
Speaker 10: but Trump is a want to be fascist dictator with
Speaker 10: cult like powers. So curious as to how you're going
Speaker 10: to utilize that information? And do y'all need help from
Speaker 10: the few of us in the tech community.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: He's like, I want to help.
Speaker 7: I want to make sure we cut this question for
Speaker 7: social media.
Speaker 6: I love this is you know what you guys.
Speaker 7: I'm just sorry, I'm over talking everybody, but just I
Speaker 7: just have to say, this is exactly what we envisioned
Speaker 7: in starting this podcast.
Speaker 6: It is a community.
Speaker 7: It is so much greater than a conversation between three friends.
Speaker 6: Every week.
Speaker 7: The whole idea every week, y'all, is to ensure that
Speaker 7: y'all feel just as much at home as we are,
Speaker 7: to tell us what our blind spots are, to tell
Speaker 7: us where how we can serve you better. You know,
Speaker 7: Andrew is the quintessential public servant, and it's constantly in
Speaker 7: that mode, cannot help himself, and we just want to
Speaker 7: make it better. We want to make information more accessible.
Speaker 7: We want to ensure that y'all feel heard, seen and
Speaker 7: not ignored. That part about a demographic being ignored resonates
Speaker 7: so deeply. We you know, I was joking about posters
Speaker 7: and who they talked to and if they talk to
Speaker 7: us ever. But it's kind of like the truth and
Speaker 7: humor thing. So I'm so grateful Grant that you not
Speaker 7: only volunteer Joe services we will be calling, but you
Speaker 7: also talk to us about some things in tech that
Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't know about it, never heard about
Speaker 7: empathy driven design, and I'm very curious to learn about
Speaker 7: that and how we can implement implement that in these
Speaker 7: Pole results and Pole results up coming.
Speaker 1: Love that and Tip, I saw your enthusiasm over there
Speaker 1: as well. I think I think we all share it.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, I loved all of it,
Speaker 1: but I absolutely love like yeah, and do y'all need
Speaker 1: some help me and some of my tech friends. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the beauty of it. And I will say,
Speaker 1: we've heard you know Lolo, who's research associate here who
Speaker 1: vets through, reads through, provides us feedback and make sure
Speaker 1: that the audience perspective is very present every time we
Speaker 1: are contemplating what we bring to them, and she indicated
Speaker 1: and really positive. This is a question that I want
Speaker 1: to put to the two of you, really the three
Speaker 1: of us, which is this idea of folks feeling like
Speaker 1: they've been given something to do and are feeling like
Speaker 1: by taking action, just taking Marilyn Moseby and the organizing
Speaker 1: angela that you let around that for Native Land and
Speaker 1: the way our community showed up, folks really just feeling
Speaker 1: very inspired by their ability to through in action, impact
Speaker 1: something that is in service to something greater than themselves.
Speaker 1: And it has frequently in comments and otherwise come up
Speaker 1: like what else could Native Land be doing? Should we
Speaker 1: also be doing a letter on this? Should we start
Speaker 1: a petition on this? And uh, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: some of if we were just wearing our host hats
Speaker 1: only we're like, look, it's enough to try to remember
Speaker 1: and read and digest and try to communicate, you know,
Speaker 1: out to folks in a way that folks can hear
Speaker 1: us and and understand. But the truth is that folks
Speaker 1: have greater expectation. I think we've had greater have greater
Speaker 1: expectation even for ourselves on what this platform will be.
Speaker 1: But I am curious from each of you how you
Speaker 1: all sort of perspective, you know, upon that, how you
Speaker 1: reflect on this not being a conversation tank, but but
Speaker 1: more of an action tank for ourselves and for the
Speaker 1: and for the greater Native lampire community. What does that
Speaker 1: look like for you? Is there a template for initiating
Speaker 1: in action? We don't want to, you know, create color
Speaker 1: of change all over again. But but, but, but how
Speaker 1: do you feel pulled one way or another around what
Speaker 1: our activism versus our education? Informing and conversating, which I
Speaker 1: know is not a word.
Speaker 7: It is though, don't don't play me, don't play to
Speaker 7: West Coast. It is the conversation there we are.
Speaker 1: But just interested in hearing whether or not y'all feel
Speaker 1: any particular way about about our level of activity and action.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, So I love that people feel inspired. I
Speaker 5: hope it inspires people to develop their own pods and
Speaker 5: their own communities and move beyond.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 5: It'd always call you know, hashtag activism, which a lot
Speaker 5: of younger people you know, engaged in for a while
Speaker 5: and then took to the streets and elevated social policies
Speaker 5: to the halls of national lawmakers and whatnot. So I
Speaker 5: hope that that continues. Definitely always gives a shout out
Speaker 5: to Angela for being chief staffs at the Blacks and
Speaker 5: and you know, hopping on these things and like really
Speaker 5: driving social change.
Speaker 4: I have to.
Speaker 5: Say, I like the idea that people look at Native
Speaker 5: lampod as you know, a think tank and action tank.
Speaker 5: My laser focus is typically always an information tank. I
Speaker 5: think we're so disserviced by the media landscape, so I
Speaker 5: never want to follow the news, but drive the news
Speaker 5: and tell people about things that they don't get to
Speaker 5: hear anywhere else that you know, they're denied unfortunately with
Speaker 5: different platforms. And I hope even in doing that that
Speaker 5: with more information people feel compelled to, you know, increase
Speaker 5: their intellectual curiosity and hopefully that drives out activism as well.
Speaker 5: So I love it, and I love that our audience
Speaker 5: is enthusiastic about picking up arms and getting in the
Speaker 5: fight to better this here democracy, this here society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think. And if by the way, information
Speaker 1: as we know is no like, ain't no lightlift, trying
Speaker 1: to break through and make sure all of us are
Speaker 1: at least starting as some common share place of information truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 7: There was one other point in Grant's question where he
Speaker 7: referenced making a list of demands like in this sixties,
Speaker 7: And I just I want to double down on that
Speaker 7: point because I think it gets at what Tiff is
Speaker 7: saying about information. But I also think that we, you know,
Speaker 7: there's a reason why every single week we have a
Speaker 7: call to action, each of us share something because we
Speaker 7: know that information without action is you know, just filling
Speaker 7: your heads with knowledge, which is important. But we all
Speaker 7: know that we have a role to play here. And
Speaker 7: so it wasn't just the sixties where there was a
Speaker 7: list of demands. Actually black folks began organizing around our
Speaker 7: freedom during slavery and having freedom conventions regularly to talk
Speaker 7: about what the next steps would be in order to
Speaker 7: ensure emancipation of liberation for black people everywhere. That certainly
Speaker 7: continued in the sixties. It continued when the Congressional Black
Speaker 7: HAWKUS met with Richard Nixon when brought sixty one recommendations
Speaker 7: to him. It's considered I mean sorry. It continued in
Speaker 7: nineteen seventy two in Gary and Deana with the National
Speaker 7: Black Political Convention. It continued and continues to this day
Speaker 7: with our friend Alicia Garza who's done a Black census
Speaker 7: through Black Futures lab and then they fulfilled that with
Speaker 7: a Black to the Future Action Fund agenda in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: It wasn't a lot of pickup. There should be a
Speaker 7: lot of pickup. There will be an agenda that is
Speaker 7: economically focused from Black to the Future Action Fund this
Speaker 7: year because two hundred thousand black people took that Black Census,
Speaker 7: and so we have to continue to ensure that we
Speaker 7: are sharing these kinds of pieces of information. I will
Speaker 7: say for full disclosure, so I'm not looking like I'm
Speaker 7: pubbing something that I'm now a part of. I've been
Speaker 7: so passionate about the Black agenda that they asked me
Speaker 7: to serve on the Black Future's Lab board. So I
Speaker 7: shameless plug there, but also want to make sure that
Speaker 7: if there's any conflict, you all know what it is.
Speaker 7: The conflict is for black advancement. But I want to
Speaker 7: make sure that you know about my representation on that
Speaker 7: board as well.
Speaker 4: And we're glad that you serveing on that board.
Speaker 6: It is my honor and privilege.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Alisia Garza.
Speaker 7: But yes, I hope that we can canntinue to partner
Speaker 7: with entities like that.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna break some news here.
Speaker 7: We are going to be at Essence on the main
Speaker 7: stage on July seventh and talking about black women under attack.
Speaker 7: It'll be our second live podcast, a major opportunity, and
Speaker 7: maybe this is an opportunity for us to look at
Speaker 7: Essence as a potential poll partner for our next poll
Speaker 7: where we have a larger audience focusing mostly on black
Speaker 7: women in that pole.
Speaker 6: But I think it would be a great thing for Lolos.
Speaker 7: She's gonna be like, if y'all give you one more job,
Speaker 7: I love do we got another job, But I think
Speaker 7: it'd be good.
Speaker 6: We want to get this information out.
Speaker 1: Angela and Tiff. The only thing I would would would
Speaker 1: would add is I think all of us have a
Speaker 1: role to play, you know, in this work. I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to think we are we want to parlay
Speaker 1: or push off any part of this, but I do
Speaker 1: think part of our work requires that we are a
Speaker 1: growing movement of people. And Tiff mentioned starts your own podcast.
Speaker 1: One thought that I had was.
Speaker 5: I didn't say it starts your own podcasts. I didn't
Speaker 5: start your own pod of action all start your Wow
Speaker 5: the podcast marketplace is crowded, is not more of a
Speaker 5: go for it. But I was saying start your own
Speaker 5: pod like community pod where your inacting change. My apology,
Speaker 5: I wasn't very articulate.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, either way, I think my comment is
Speaker 1: consistent with yours, which is simply, we talked about your
Speaker 1: choices for who you are voting for the upcoming election,
Speaker 1: and that one of I think better than big superstars
Speaker 1: yelling their endorsements from some big old stage and arena
Speaker 1: us individually just talking about what brings us to the
Speaker 1: place that we're at and why we are doing the
Speaker 1: taking the action that we are taking to vote support
Speaker 1: and organized for who we're supporting. You never ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever should underestimate the power of your voice and who
Speaker 1: you are example to around and within your own sphere,
Speaker 1: and so if, if, if nothing else, it doesn't require
Speaker 1: a petition or anything from this group just to try
Speaker 1: to hold each other individually but also as a community
Speaker 1: accountable for giving and setting forth your own individualized reasons
Speaker 1: for why you are taking the steps to vote for
Speaker 1: whomever it is that you're choosing to vote for in
Speaker 1: this national race and obviously every office falling beneath it.
Speaker 1: But it certainly begins, I think, by adding your individual
Speaker 1: personal testimony because you never know whose consciousness and then
Speaker 1: actions you preak and so doing Angela. Another compelling thing
Speaker 1: that people rely on to help guide them around voting
Speaker 1: is advertising to tell them what the people did, what
Speaker 1: they want to do, and how they gonna.
Speaker 7: Get it done. In just about that, I sure will.
Speaker 7: But right after this break, because we got some ads.
Speaker 4: Way, can I ask a flash before we go to break?
Speaker 4: Angela broke some news. Do we know what we're wearing
Speaker 4: at Essence or we'll talk about that.
Speaker 6: LA means I'm definitely wearing down.
Speaker 4: Angel's been on denim now I have time.
Speaker 1: To I only own one denim. I only own one thing,
Speaker 1: denim jacket.
Speaker 6: You know. I like to be a stylist on the side.
Speaker 6: Would you guys like me to send.
Speaker 5: You su yes, if we're all wearing denim, because last
Speaker 5: time I did the denim didn't look right. So okay,
Speaker 5: if we're all wearing denim, come to Essence, you guys,
Speaker 5: you don't have to wear dinnim. I just really enjoy it.
Speaker 6: You know what it was?
Speaker 7: Honestly, I have major like I think too long about
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna wear. So I was when we did
Speaker 7: dinnim for our photo shoot I was like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 7: wearing dinim the whole time.
Speaker 6: It just narrows it.
Speaker 4: Let's go boys to men style and all dress are
Speaker 4: like on the stage.
Speaker 1: Hey, we've already done that destiny. Yes, let's pay some
Speaker 1: bills so we can afford some destinies.
Speaker 6: Hey, because we want to be survivors and we want
Speaker 6: to make it. We'll be right back.
Speaker 9: In the courtroom. We see Donald Trump for who he is.
Speaker 9: He's been convicted of thirty four felonies, found lyle for
Speaker 9: sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud. Meanwhile, Joe Biden's
Speaker 9: been working lowering healthcare costs and making big corporations pay
Speaker 9: their fair share. This election is between a convicted criminal
Speaker 9: who's only out for himself and a president who's fighting
Speaker 9: for your family.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Biden and I approved this message.
Speaker 7: So I just want to note that the Biden campaign
Speaker 7: has spent fifty million dollars on this ad buy for June,
Speaker 7: and again I want to emphasize that I've not seen
Speaker 7: this ad. The only place I've heard about this ad
Speaker 7: is on campaign staff and surrogate's talking about it on
Speaker 7: cable news. Because the Biden campaign sent out an email
Speaker 7: blast lifting up that these campaigns arrogates campaign staffers.
Speaker 6: We're talking about the ad on these various.
Speaker 7: Platforms, so I've not seen the ad other than through
Speaker 7: the campaign. So I would love to know what you
Speaker 7: all A's initial reaction is to this ad. I certainly
Speaker 7: have some thoughts tactically. I offer free campaign advice on
Speaker 7: this show for some reason, and I'm going to do
Speaker 7: that because I just can't help myself. But I first
Speaker 7: like to hear from you, Tiff and Andrew, which your
Speaker 7: initial thoughts were. In hearing character matters from the Biden campaign.
Speaker 5: I was unmoved by it, to be honest, and I'm
Speaker 5: really surprised because I can't if you just said this
Speaker 5: now or we said it early on the call, that
Speaker 5: it was, you know, a part of their thinking was
Speaker 5: gearing this towards black voters or voters of color. I
Speaker 5: felt unmoved by it, But I will caveat this with
Speaker 5: I think that we have a more sophisticated viewing audience
Speaker 5: on our hands nowadays, more sophisticated voters, and I'm just
Speaker 5: not sure how many people are swayed by ads. Either way,
Speaker 5: It's clear that it is not a choice between Biden
Speaker 5: and Trump, but in the Democratic Party a choice between
Speaker 5: Biden and the couch. I don't know that political ads
Speaker 5: will be the thing to motivate people to not choose
Speaker 5: the couch. I don't know what that is argue policy,
Speaker 5: but I just I felt unmoved. It was blast typical
Speaker 5: political ad that I think they're going to have to
Speaker 5: do a lot more work to be a lot more
Speaker 5: innovative at reaching different demographics as the demographics of the
Speaker 5: country continue to change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair, you know. I think when
Speaker 1: I first I saw the ad on cable news when
Speaker 1: they were talking about the ad, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: at that point that it was an ad targeting the
Speaker 1: FAM community. To me, that's a curious choice. That ad,
Speaker 1: to me, is a curious choice as an opening salvo
Speaker 1: to black voters to bring them around, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider when you line up what consistently is showing up
Speaker 1: as the most important issues for our voters and our
Speaker 1: poll I think reemphasize what some of the other polling is,
Speaker 1: which is the economy is the biggest deal. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean everything else doesn't matter, but it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 1: I would say I choose that theme over crime and
Speaker 1: character as the opening conversation, and then I will complement
Speaker 1: it in this way. There is a thread there that
Speaker 1: I think could be profound, which is Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: out there working for himself while Joe Biden's out there
Speaker 1: working for us. And then if they could take this,
Speaker 1: you know, this idea of Joe Biden working for us,
Speaker 1: which I think actually feels true to maybe not even
Speaker 1: a highly in formed voter. That you see him and
Speaker 1: you feel like the man's out there trying to do
Speaker 1: stuff on your behalf, whether it's the right set of stuff.
Speaker 6: You feel like in real life, how you feel like I.
Speaker 1: Do feel like between the two, and again that's what
Speaker 1: this is me a choice.
Speaker 7: Okay, give me one thing where Joe Biden did this,
Speaker 7: and I feel like, and I'm not trying to be
Speaker 7: I really want you to know.
Speaker 6: For the audience and for the five.
Speaker 7: People that did our poll that ain't voters, like, why like,
Speaker 7: what is the thing that Joe Biden were?
Speaker 1: You like?
Speaker 6: Damn if that man worked for me?
Speaker 1: What it is? I? Of course, I of course go
Speaker 1: back to his policies early COVID, well, his dealing with
Speaker 1: COVID after Trump and the incredible way in which they
Speaker 1: realigned and caused government to rethink the role that it
Speaker 1: is supposed to play and the American people's lives on
Speaker 1: everything from healthcare to free lunch to making sure that
Speaker 1: the child tax credit actually equaled what it costs for
Speaker 1: a family to have a child in daycare for the
Speaker 1: day under child care for the day. So I thought
Speaker 1: there was some rubber meets the road sort of steps
Speaker 1: that the administration took and concert with the with the
Speaker 1: Congress that felt like, man, these people are walking up
Speaker 1: my they are coming down my driveway with this stuff
Speaker 1: that they're talking about. And I will tell you voters
Speaker 1: felt the same way. I just read this article about
Speaker 1: some of the farmers down and Georgia who were like, look,
Speaker 1: I gotta check when Trump was there, and I got
Speaker 1: it this way. That's the kind of stuff that people
Speaker 1: remember that their lives were changed in that way. And
Speaker 1: so yes, I do feel like if I heard it,
Speaker 1: I would believe it to be reasonably true and honest
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is trying to work for us. Okay, Tiff,
Speaker 1: you made you disagree.
Speaker 7: It's okay, Angela, No I wanted to I just no, no, no,
Speaker 7: that's not even about it. We always disagree on here,
Speaker 7: but I wanted to hear from TIF, like, if there's
Speaker 7: something else that felt like this would be more, this
Speaker 7: would make it, would make it more resonant. We did
Speaker 7: not see this ad and when we said you were
Speaker 7: just like, it fell flat. So okay, all right, well
Speaker 7: maybe there's nothing. So here's my idea.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna paint the picture for y'all. Here's my change.
Speaker 6: The narrator, Morgan Freeman.
Speaker 7: It don't need to be no love that chicken from Papaye.
Speaker 7: We ain't got to do that, right, We don't have
Speaker 7: to do that. But can we get a Morgan Freeman narrator?
Speaker 7: Could we start with a cold open of Alvin Bragg
Speaker 7: reading the indictment, because the only conviction there is right
Speaker 7: now is Alvin Bragg's indictment. Can we have a jury,
Speaker 7: someone acting as the foreman of the jury reading guilty
Speaker 7: thirty four times?
Speaker 6: What I think this ad is missing is real impact.
Speaker 7: You telling me that he's a convicted felon, So toa
Speaker 7: how what I got convicted felons in my family? So
Speaker 7: to how what I got convicted felons that I might
Speaker 7: want to hire to work with me, Like, tell me
Speaker 7: why his conviction as a felon matters and why that
Speaker 7: means he shouldn't serve the field. You could say, breaking news,
Speaker 7: Donald Trump makes history. The first person to ever run
Speaker 7: and potentially win for president is a convicted velap. Maybe
Speaker 7: even do it that way, but tell me why his
Speaker 7: conviction and then what the convictions are for. He falsified
Speaker 7: business records thirty four times. Meanwhile, and then here's a
Speaker 7: better contrast to me. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is getting credits
Speaker 7: to small businesses. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is ensuring that it's
Speaker 7: easier to produce business records that are whatever it is.
Speaker 7: But something that draws a contrast to me, the contrast
Speaker 7: from Donald Trump as your potential president versus Joe Biden,
Speaker 7: it was like apples and oranges. In fact, it was
Speaker 7: like apples and FOD trucks. It didn't make any sense
Speaker 7: at all in that ad. The transition was too quick
Speaker 7: and it was not parallel enough. So I just think,
Speaker 7: if you're gonna go down this road, understand one that
Speaker 7: based on the jacked up ass Department of Justice we have,
Speaker 7: you're actually putting your son in the crosshairs. Of this
Speaker 7: because now Hunter Biden is also convicted. No, he's not
Speaker 7: running for president, but people are basic and it'll be
Speaker 7: a Trump and a Biden have to meet people where
Speaker 7: they are.
Speaker 6: And so if you're.
Speaker 7: Going to highlight or lowlight what his conviction is or
Speaker 7: the fact that he is convicted, be prepared to rumble
Speaker 7: in Andrew's Atlanta jungle on what the reasons are for
Speaker 7: this conviction. I think you need to have it sound scary.
Speaker 7: It needs to be very clear about what it was
Speaker 7: highlight the black man that got this man indicted to
Speaker 7: begin with. I just it was such a miss. If
Speaker 7: you're gonna be in this, be ready to roll your
Speaker 7: sleeves up and fight for real, because that ad was
Speaker 7: way too patty kakey for me.
Speaker 5: I don't know enough about it, and I wonder if
Speaker 5: there's some sort of FEC violation about like politicizing a
Speaker 5: criminal investigation, even though this at the state level, so
Speaker 5: it's not like it's federal. So I don't know, but
Speaker 5: I like the idea. I think what you described is
Speaker 5: definitely a lot more impactful than that AD. I would
Speaker 5: still maintain is that ad gona sway anybody?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: I just I don't.
Speaker 7: I think my ad could maybe fall five people, but
Speaker 7: the way they ran, but I just.
Speaker 1: Know I was confused. What you described was I think
Speaker 1: a different ad than what they thought they were doing there.
Speaker 1: I think they meant for this to be more about
Speaker 1: Joe Biden working for while Donald Trump is tending to
Speaker 1: all of his self inflicted selfish, you know, narcissistic uh issues.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden's out here doing the things are staked right.
Speaker 1: The imagery that was being shown there was of what
Speaker 1: you would expect to be common day, what a president
Speaker 1: is doing day, you know, through the course of a dad.
Speaker 7: Just let's run it one more time, because I did
Speaker 7: not get that that did not connect for me that
Speaker 7: this was Joe Like. To me, it felt like you're
Speaker 7: trying to demonize Trump hard switch to Biden, and the
Speaker 7: Biden stuff they touted in the ad was too vague.
Speaker 6: It's just too vague. It didn't It didn't connect for me,
Speaker 6: and not trying.
Speaker 2: To be we.
Speaker 1: Can watch it again. I just want to say, I
Speaker 1: think that the ad that you are describing is a
Speaker 1: worthwhile ad and should be done on its own without
Speaker 1: the herculean task of trying to do thirty things in
Speaker 1: that one and that one ad. Maybe the ad should
Speaker 1: just be that one thing.
Speaker 6: I hear it.
Speaker 1: In this case, I think they were trying to contrast.
Speaker 1: These two individuals are saying, this guy's a selfish narcissist
Speaker 1: who's in court every day, and this guy is showing
Speaker 1: up and doing the unromanticized job as president and keeping
Speaker 1: this country going. And whether they delivered effectively I think
Speaker 1: obviously is up for debate.
Speaker 7: Is it they've been not delivered effectively messaging wise? You
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, And I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 7: I think one you're saying they did too they tried
Speaker 7: to do too much in that one AD.
Speaker 6: Two.
Speaker 7: I also hear the point t if you didn't say
Speaker 7: this directly, Andrew, I feel like you said this a
Speaker 7: little more like this piece around demonizing Trump is maybe
Speaker 7: it's effective, but all so people know that he's a
Speaker 7: demon already, So how much more do we need to
Speaker 7: get into that. I think it's more like so, for example,
Speaker 7: in this USA Today, I'm saying this really quickly. This
Speaker 7: USA Today, Poul that we mentioned earlier, they said that
Speaker 7: they said that Donald Trump is not a fellow victim
Speaker 7: of injustice.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: They said that there's not an overwhelming number of black
Speaker 7: folks who say that they see him as a fellow
Speaker 7: victim of unfair justice. You can double down on that
Speaker 7: to you know, to the extent that it matters to
Speaker 7: the three people they talk to in this poul. You
Speaker 7: can double down on that and say, let me show
Speaker 7: you how much he's not like y'all. This is not
Speaker 7: an unjust verdict. This is someone who did the same
Speaker 7: thing with great intention thirty four times.
Speaker 6: That was my thinking.
Speaker 7: And they said that that didn't ring true by a
Speaker 7: five to one margin in Michigan and a seven to
Speaker 7: one margin in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: That's the ad to run targeting black folks.
Speaker 7: Can y'all believe that this man is saying he understands
Speaker 7: the injustice that you all of experience, But he's actually
Speaker 7: a real criminal who was totally utilizing a system that
Speaker 7: has benefited from benefiting him for too long. It is
Speaker 7: not the first time he's done this. This is just
Speaker 7: the time he got caught. That's what I would have
Speaker 7: done there. And then they said that they overwhelmingly people
Speaker 7: wanted him to Folks who look like us wanted him
Speaker 7: to go to jail, That is not Those aren't folks
Speaker 7: who believe that he did something that was wishy washy.
Speaker 7: They really believe in the anyway in the wrong for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wrongness of it. And I think where
Speaker 1: I am on that is where Tiffany I think has
Speaker 1: positive the question, which is is it does it make
Speaker 1: a difference?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I think if if Biden's ads become thirty minute
Speaker 1: thirty second thirty minute thirty second ads about the conviction
Speaker 1: to your point, answer to Tiffany's question, does it is
Speaker 1: it too baked in? And does it compel or move anybody?
Speaker 1: And I'm not I don't think it can be off
Speaker 1: the I don't think it could be off the table
Speaker 1: at all. I think it has to be. But to
Speaker 1: your point, if it's on the table, put the thing
Speaker 1: on the table, make it plain, you know, put the
Speaker 1: cookies on the bottom shelf. Everybody can reach in. I
Speaker 1: do have one curious, maybe not interesting and maybe not
Speaker 1: even important. No, they used the term convicted criminal and
Speaker 1: not convicted felon. They didn't say convicted felon once in
Speaker 1: that ad. Yeah, And I'm curious, Tiffany, if you to me,
Speaker 1: it seems like a conscious choice. Do you think it
Speaker 1: was and do you think it lessens you know, the
Speaker 1: bang by avoiding the use of the word conviction, And
Speaker 1: there's probably a re I mean a convicted felon, the
Speaker 1: description of convicted felon versus convicted criminal.
Speaker 5: I'm happy they said criminal. I guess I think that's
Speaker 5: more accurate and accessible. If everybody knows that you did
Speaker 5: something wrong. There are convicted felons the ends of the
Speaker 5: point that we know perhaps can be innocent. So maybe
Speaker 5: that was part of conscious of their thought. But I
Speaker 5: also think this is like such minutia. You know, It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't know that people if they did say felling,
Speaker 5: I don't know that would have made a difference.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just I feel like these these these political ads
Speaker 5: are so it's so very inside the beltwagh, except when
Speaker 5: it's so compelling that it transcends, and that's the kind
Speaker 5: of ad that you want to create, like our frang
Speaker 5: Gary Chambers did when he ran for Senate in Louisiana.
Speaker 5: His ad was so compelling people who didn't live in
Speaker 5: that state saw it, they shared it, they talked about it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, this just feels like whatever you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think, I think. I think what I'm taking
Speaker 1: away from the conversation is kind of where we're ending here,
Speaker 1: which is, I do think ads can be impactful. I
Speaker 1: know because I put my heart and soul into many
Speaker 1: of them, not the scripted ones, but the ones that
Speaker 1: were like, how do I bear myself here in a
Speaker 1: way that you see me and you hear me and
Speaker 1: you want to know more? And I think, do you
Speaker 1: know how they used to say, let let you know,
Speaker 1: let Joe be Joe if you will, in some ways
Speaker 1: you almost want to. I don't know Joseph Robin at
Speaker 1: Biden personally in that way, So I don't know if
Speaker 1: Joe being Joe is the thing, but I do know
Speaker 1: that there is a real connecting, empathetic, also true believer
Speaker 1: in this guy who's our president that I think should
Speaker 1: cut through. And I would probably appreciate ads that give
Speaker 1: me more of a cut through than I think. What
Speaker 1: you're describing is the rut row of political ads, which
Speaker 1: which is non discision.
Speaker 5: I think it is an important point that you make, Andrew,
Speaker 5: because that's very fair. Your ads were compelling. Local ads
Speaker 5: on local issues are a lot more compelling because more
Speaker 5: people are consuming them. When you consider the people who
Speaker 5: vote in local elections, they're watching local news, which a
Speaker 5: lot of people at the national level are not. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you consider all they say, all politics are local
Speaker 5: for a reason. So when there's something that's more tangible
Speaker 5: to you, if you're voting on, you know, if the
Speaker 5: street's going to get paved down the block, you're voting
Speaker 5: on how your kids are going to go to school
Speaker 5: and who's going to be their superintendent. Like those local
Speaker 5: ads touch people in a different way. At the national level,
Speaker 5: I just I don't know that they do. I really don't,
Speaker 5: but I.
Speaker 7: Could I get better, they share better, I know. To
Speaker 7: takeaway before we go to this quick break is Joe
Speaker 7: Biden's mama definitely has some black friends. Because when you
Speaker 7: said Robinette, I was like, you know, that is a
Speaker 7: real thing.
Speaker 6: But anyway, let's go to this break.
Speaker 8: Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about something today that is a
Speaker 5: huge story that you will not hear in Western media,
Speaker 5: much to my frustration, and that is tou Dan Sudan
Speaker 5: is facing a humanitarian crisis that could be worse than
Speaker 5: anything the world has seen. When we were younger, you
Speaker 5: guys may remember, people used to always reference Ethiopia and hunger.
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, one and the same, And
Speaker 5: now this particular crisis can surpass what Ethiopia was forty
Speaker 5: years ago. Right now, there are over seven hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand people facing catastrophic levels of food shortages. That's
Speaker 5: in addition to over twenty five million people facing acute
Speaker 5: food shortages on the longer term, and all that's according
Speaker 5: to the Integrated Food Security phase. But the UN is
Speaker 5: warning about this. Samantha Powers, so you guys remember, was
Speaker 5: the ambassador to the United Nations under Obama. Now she
Speaker 5: runs USAID. She's warned about this. People are talking about it,
Speaker 5: just not much attention. Sadly here, much of the media
Speaker 5: attention is focused on Gaza, But Sudan is already the
Speaker 5: worst humanitarian crisis in the world world and it's slipping
Speaker 5: towards a humanitarian disaster of historic proportions with far less
Speaker 5: media coverage. As we've seen, only the countries only received
Speaker 5: sixteen percent of the funds it needs to feed people,
Speaker 5: and it's very we had more time, I could get
Speaker 5: into the history and why this is happening. But what
Speaker 5: people need to know there are two warring factions that
Speaker 5: are blocking aid and the country is in a state
Speaker 5: of disrepair. The last time we heard a lot about
Speaker 5: Sudan was when actors like Don Chito and George Clooney,
Speaker 5: we're talking about darfour. Sadly, the media continues to fail us.
Speaker 5: And why this matters to you out there listening is
Speaker 5: because what happens in the globe does cast a wide
Speaker 5: net of influence, and it does impact our federal budget,
Speaker 5: it impacts our foreign policy. And just because the echo
Speaker 5: chambers are blood obsessed and blood drunk, was talking about
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and the Hunter Byden trial and you know,
Speaker 5: the same stories. I hope and I invite people to
Speaker 5: have a little more curiosity about what's happening outside of
Speaker 5: our borders, because these are literally tens of millions of
Speaker 5: people who look like us, who are facing death, and
Speaker 5: it can come across like the world doesn't care. And
Speaker 5: while they saw people rally and unite over the poor
Speaker 5: disparate treatment of the Palestinian people, I would hope and
Speaker 5: invite people to be just this outrage about what's happening
Speaker 5: on the continent as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, that's fair, Tiffany, And I think it often,
Speaker 1: too often becomes a convenient excuse to say, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got warring factions within one country. You know. I
Speaker 1: hear it too often here in Florida when we talk
Speaker 1: about what's happening in Haiti, where it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they're just doing it to themselves. I'm thinking the US
Speaker 1: finds a way to intervene.
Speaker 12: In nearly every part of the globe ann intra conflict.
Speaker 12: How is it that you only name check it when
Speaker 12: the country in which we're being asked or called or
Speaker 12: maybe compelled to intervene in it happens to be full
Speaker 12: of black folk.
Speaker 5: And if you go back far enough, Andrew, there is
Speaker 5: almost always a US handprint on what is happening in
Speaker 5: these countries. So it's not fair for us. Oh well,
Speaker 5: we don't have anything to do with that. It is
Speaker 5: very much. There is a saying I read this in
Speaker 5: a book, so I don't want to misquote it, but
Speaker 5: I read this like maybe twenty years ago, and someone
Speaker 5: was saying, if it is good or bad for ninety
Speaker 5: percent of the people in a black country, but good
Speaker 5: for ten percent of people in America, the US government
Speaker 5: will go for it, and a lot of that policy
Speaker 5: has extended to countries in the continent, and it is
Speaker 5: just I just can't imagine if twenty five million people
Speaker 5: were facing starvation who were white faced, it would be
Speaker 5: breaking news, the same way that when Putin attempted to
Speaker 5: annex Ukraine, it was breaking news. We talked about it,
Speaker 5: and this has been going on for a year now.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about it on my show, but on this platform.
Speaker 5: I just want to highlight it because this is something
Speaker 5: that should be a regular part of our conversation. There
Speaker 5: were three clues taking place in Africa at one point
Speaker 5: and just didn't get any coverage. And there are real,
Speaker 5: live human beings whose lives hang in the balance. These
Speaker 5: are mothers, these are children. When you see these babies
Speaker 5: just you know, just limp with malnutrition, it's awful to see.
Speaker 5: So I hope people will pay attention to it and
Speaker 5: weigh in and do what you can. Donate if you can.
Speaker 5: There are organizations the WFP I believe is taking or
Speaker 5: taking up donations, but you can google and find out
Speaker 5: more information at the appropriate places to donate. But it
Speaker 5: is a tragic situation that the world is facing.
Speaker 7: If is that the best way to help, Like, are
Speaker 7: there other ways that you think that we should be
Speaker 7: weighing into support? Are there certain accounts that have more
Speaker 7: information on it on social.
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it's so because when when Elon kind
Speaker 5: of fragmented the Twitter space, you can't tell who's verified
Speaker 5: and who's not. But there are numerous reporters on the
Speaker 5: ground covering the issue, and it really is you know,
Speaker 5: at the level of US government, it really does rest
Speaker 5: with the UN, the United Nation where Linda Thomas Greenfield
Speaker 5: represents US and Samantha Powers who's the head of us
Speaker 5: ai D.
Speaker 4: So outside of.
Speaker 5: Encouraging our government to keep persisting and trying to get
Speaker 5: these folks food, and outside of donating where and when
Speaker 5: you can. But the problem is Angela that the warring factions.
Speaker 5: There's a faction of RSF who is a media power,
Speaker 5: their rapid support forces in Sudan, who they sound like
Speaker 5: they'd be like a humanitarian organization, but they are blocking
Speaker 5: a getting to a lot of the people.
Speaker 4: So it's just awful, awful situation.
Speaker 5: So outside of learning more about it and pushing our
Speaker 5: government to help the people there and donating where we can,
Speaker 5: I don't know what can be done to resolve this.
Speaker 5: I would just love to see us, you.
Speaker 6: Know, make sure we get a credible, major place to donate.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, So you can find that information in our
Speaker 5: show notes and we'll definitely be sure to post it
Speaker 5: on all our social media accounts and you can follow
Speaker 5: us at Native Land Pod.
Speaker 1: You know. It's also what was the name of that movie,
Speaker 1: Mister Something's War. We're based our congressman based single handed
Speaker 1: Charlie Charlie Wilson's War. That's right. I only reference that
Speaker 1: because sometimes many of these issues that are taking place
Speaker 1: on the content and have come to our attention and
Speaker 1: have have arrested American attention because certain CBC members, certain
Speaker 1: members of Congress have sort of you know, jumped on
Speaker 1: this thing and you know, we're a dog on a
Speaker 1: bone and just would not let it go. And I
Speaker 1: can think of many, you know, many such examples. I
Speaker 1: would just say, maybe in future episodes, y'all will do
Speaker 1: you the credit of trying to see whether or not
Speaker 1: there are you know, those sort of standouts who aren't
Speaker 1: again getting the attention that we can help lift. And
Speaker 1: in addition to you know, Tiffany bringing this to our attention,
Speaker 1: maybe they could give us some marching orders here in mainland,
Speaker 1: what we could do. It almost sounds in some ways
Speaker 1: like you delivered a bit of a challenge, Tiffany to us.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if you want to take this as
Speaker 1: a leaping off point for your call to action. I will.
Speaker 5: Actually I have a call to action. I do this
Speaker 5: a lot with folks. If people have written in ubers
Speaker 5: or taxis with me, they know this. So this is
Speaker 5: my call to action to folks out there listening. When
Speaker 5: I was in Morocco and Ivan Jehan, nobody spoke English
Speaker 5: and people were so patient with me and very polite.
Speaker 5: And I thought about the people who come here who
Speaker 5: don't speak any English. And I think about how many
Speaker 5: times I'm in a car with a driver who may
Speaker 5: not speak English, be it Uber or you know a
Speaker 5: driver that you know Network sends or a taxi, and
Speaker 5: I always have conversation with them. And Google Translate helps
Speaker 5: me because if you don't speaking, because I'm about to
Speaker 5: ask you questions. But I get information that way, I
Speaker 5: don't like take it as true. Obviously I verify it.
Speaker 4: I read things.
Speaker 5: But if I'm talking to somebody who's from India, I
Speaker 5: ask how do the people there feel about Modi? I
Speaker 5: was in a taxi with an Egyptian driver and I asked,
Speaker 5: how did the people feel about Mubarak?
Speaker 6: Like did they.
Speaker 5: Consider him his You know, they're champion. And one people
Speaker 5: are so appreciative that you know about their country and
Speaker 5: their government and that you've taken an interest to talk
Speaker 5: to them, and two that you acknowledge their humanity. Because
Speaker 5: so many people were on the call and we're frustrated
Speaker 5: with the driver, and I just think, man, you're here
Speaker 5: navigating this space. You don't speak the language as well.
Speaker 5: There are a ton of people who may not be
Speaker 5: nice to you. There's some young kids who work at
Speaker 5: a restaurant here. They were like seventeen and they left
Speaker 5: Ukraine because you couldn't leave once.
Speaker 4: You were eighteen.
Speaker 5: And they're waiters, and I just thought, man, I see
Speaker 5: them dealing with people who are upset because they can't
Speaker 5: get something that's not on the menu item until dinner,
Speaker 5: or there mad because the table took too long, and
Speaker 5: it's like, God, these people are dealing with real life problems.
Speaker 5: Let's see each other's humanity, have conversation. Let's get off
Speaker 5: our phones and look up at the person driving you
Speaker 5: and say where are you from and how do you
Speaker 5: like it here? And how do you find America? If
Speaker 5: they're open to talk about it. So I just think
Speaker 5: that makes us more curious about each other and enhances
Speaker 5: our understanding of what's happening outside America. So that's my
Speaker 5: call to action today. And if you do it, drop
Speaker 5: a comment. I want to know if you found an
Speaker 5: interesting story, if you talk to somebody, I want to
Speaker 5: hear about it.
Speaker 4: I like hearing those kinds of.
Speaker 1: St I tried it and it ended accustoming me the
Speaker 1: cab because I got my ass out and walk the
Speaker 1: rest of the way. The guy would not stop bashing Democrats.
Speaker 11: Oh whoa yeah, but but but I've got plenty success
Speaker 11: stories that attempt to if now, I just thought that
Speaker 11: one always bounces on me because I'm like, I pay
Speaker 11: you for this ding cabin.
Speaker 1: I got out and walked. You would stop.
Speaker 5: There are limitations, or it's like, okay, but you sound
Speaker 5: a little crazy.
Speaker 4: Let me get out.
Speaker 1: I'm a Democrat, sir. Anyway, Angelou, what you got?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 6: My call to action is some hard work. I think
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: Tiff talks about us having an international focus a lot
Speaker 7: and I think that there are moments in those conversations
Speaker 7: that feel really intimidating and overwhelming to me.
Speaker 6: And I hate not being able to fix things. I
Speaker 6: hate not being able to have a solve. I it is.
Speaker 7: It is so disempowering and so frustrating. And so I
Speaker 7: think that my call to action is one is for myself,
Speaker 7: but it's for you know, all the listeners and viewers
Speaker 7: who find themselves similarly, similarly situated, and it is to
Speaker 7: please not look away, but to lean in when things
Speaker 7: are this uncomfortable and we can't find an immediate solve,
Speaker 7: because maybe if we come together with all of our
Speaker 7: hands just open, like what we can do, our hearts open,
Speaker 7: what can we do and what would we want someone
Speaker 7: to do for us, maybe there's a solve in that.
Speaker 6: So that is my call to action today.
Speaker 4: I love that it is.
Speaker 5: It is not always safer in the shallow. That's a shadow,
Speaker 5: that's a tea.
Speaker 1: Continue, yes, indeed, which is why I'm going to take
Speaker 1: my time and tuss it back to Angela to actually
Speaker 1: set us up for our mini pod.
Speaker 7: Next we do, Andrew, we have a mini pod that
Speaker 7: is coming up, and we will let this listener question.
Speaker 6: Kick us off and we'll tell y'all where we're going.
Speaker 2: What's up Native Land. My name is Anthony, been a
Speaker 2: fan of all three of you over the years. Andrew,
Speaker 2: I'm a fellow Floridian born and raised in Saint Petersburg, Angela.
Speaker 2: I currently reside in Seattle. I've been here about twenty
Speaker 2: years now. And Tiff, I don't know where I would
Speaker 2: get my sports information if it wasn't for you are
Speaker 2: without a doubt the topic.
Speaker 13: But I'm trying to tell y'all my question is regarding
Speaker 13: the Fearless Fun, given the fact that this carnival clown
Speaker 13: known as Ed Bloom continues to do nasty work when
Speaker 13: it comes to affirmative action, and of course the Fearless
Speaker 13: Fun suspending the Fearless Fun anyway, I was.
Speaker 2: Wondering, can a business like The Fearless Fun repurpose itself
Speaker 2: and reconfigure its language so that it still exists but
Speaker 2: yet still do stuff for just black women. I mean,
Speaker 2: these other venture capitalists are doing it the other way,
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying, So why can't the
Speaker 2: Fearless Fun. I'll hang up and listen. Go Bucks, go raise,
Speaker 2: Go Mariners. If you know you know, right, TIF, I
Speaker 2: love it and.
Speaker 1: I know and I know.
Speaker 7: I'm sure it is TIF. Just a little just so
Speaker 7: people see your expertise. Can you tell us what league
Speaker 7: the Mariners play in?
Speaker 5: The Mariners play in a league they participate from the
Speaker 5: teams from.
Speaker 4: Seattle and they play.
Speaker 5: They play in the baseball They are a baseball team.
Speaker 4: I knew I would get down there the Mariner.
Speaker 5: Yes, that was once run by Bud Selick Boom giving
Speaker 5: you some old glenfoe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I know that.
Speaker 7: Well, we got there slowly, but surely, Anthony, shout out
Speaker 7: to you for that great question. I will tell you
Speaker 7: that Prince once said that black folks love to put
Speaker 7: our whole strategy on a website. I tend to agree.
Speaker 7: I also think that there are some things that we
Speaker 7: could be doing with language. And you will be pleased
Speaker 7: to know, Anthony, that we talk about a good deal
Speaker 7: of this on an upcoming mini pod specifically dedicated to
Speaker 7: the Fearless Fund, And we also talk about what just
Speaker 7: happened in Tulsa, Oklahoma related to the Tulsa race massacre
Speaker 7: and where the Supreme Court and how the Supreme Court ruled.
Speaker 7: So there's that I'm in coming at you like escape.
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