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Speaker 1: Can trust us. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty

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Speaker 1: four of Neighbor. Wait wait wait wait wait nator twenty

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Speaker 1: four Did you say neighbor?

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Speaker 5: No, I know what twenty four means Saturday, right, I said,

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Speaker 5: twenty four?

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Speaker 1: First, twenty four, yore, We twenty four here at Native

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Speaker 1: LAMPI where we give it to you direct, honest, truthful

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Speaker 1: on the political end. And then the culture, y'all, we.

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Speaker 6: Be wilding something, you know why though it's still.

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Speaker 1: But on the I said, on the culture, sometimes we

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Speaker 1: be wilding. I can't even put that in a box.

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Speaker 1: All right, I can't put it in the box. We're

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Speaker 1: your hosts, everybody. Tiffany Cross, say what's up, tiff.

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys, Angela Rye.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Andrew Gillam. I hope everybody's doing well today

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Speaker 1: and enjoying this summer. Ladies, How y'all doing great?

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 5: It's a hot one this week, you guys. Like temperatures

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Speaker 5: are first of all, in Florida, it's gotta be like

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Speaker 5: frying egg on the sidewalk hot.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred degrees. Yes, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. My

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Speaker 1: kids come home with he bumps every I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: y'all just hollow. But it's all good. They're in the water,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're having a good time.

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Speaker 6: Speaking of the Gillams, I got on Jay's jacket today.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 7: I asked, yeah, I asked her where she got it from.

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Speaker 7: And then I went and got me my fiks r

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Speaker 1: Little people will deserve fun too. I love that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fun sized clothes. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And on today's episode, y'all, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. It's another day, it's another week,

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Speaker 1: which means guess what, there's another pole. We're gonna give

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Speaker 1: y'all some updates on what's happening in these early states.

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Speaker 1: Not like it's gonna look any different than last week,

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Speaker 1: but who knows. We'll try faith. And then, of course,

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Speaker 1: did y'all hear, especially you, miss lady from Atlanta, that

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Speaker 1: there is a rumble in the peach tree jungle?

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Speaker 4: That was for you, tiff I have no idea what

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Speaker 4: we're right now. I'm letting you do.

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Speaker 1: It, golle. The debate, y'all, the debate, it was a

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Speaker 1: million of them.

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Speaker 6: I was like a.

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Speaker 1: Rumble in the peach tree jungle, Tiffany, can you help

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Speaker 1: me perfect? That? Clearly is not a jungle, But y'all,

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Speaker 1: I thought you were saying it.

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Speaker 4: Was a million rumbles. Okay. Anyway, the point trying to

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Speaker 4: tell y'all is.

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Speaker 5: The presidential debate is upcoming, and we got it okay.

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Speaker 6: Fifteen hours later, Thank you, Translator in chief.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And we'll talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what we could expect to see coming up next week, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Both presidential candidates Biden and Trump will be in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: More to come on that one, Angela, what you got

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Speaker 7: Well, I would like to talk a little bit about this.

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Speaker 7: Fifty fifty almost said fifteenth five zero. You said fifty

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Speaker 7: million dollar abby from the Biden campaign. It's an ad

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Speaker 7: that launched calling Donald Trump a convicted criminal, and that

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Speaker 7: ad is targeting voters of color. I am fascinated by

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Speaker 7: this choice, and I would love to get into the

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that one. I think I hear

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Speaker 1: the premise of the kids being made. Tiffany, what's happening

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Speaker 5: Some somber things to talk about, unfortunately, and that is

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Speaker 5: there is a major humanitarian crisis happening where over twenty

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Speaker 5: I'm going to get into that because one place you

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Speaker 5: won't hear about it is in Western media, where they

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Speaker 5: insist on covering the same three topics every single day,

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Speaker 5: and it's exhausting. But there's a huge story happening across

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Speaker 1: Tiffany has been good having you back from the continent

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Speaker 1: these past several weeks, because it didn't take your visit

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Speaker 1: there to I think centerfold these issues for us because

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Speaker 1: you've been doing it all along. But I think it

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Speaker 1: to the conversation. However, unfortunately he is obviously in that

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Speaker 1: we got an interesting story for politics everywhere, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you give us a little grace today because

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Speaker 1: to start it out on the front end, Si Angelou. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: y'all cold with that?

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Speaker 6: Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So a Texas Democrat decided to send himself some fake

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Speaker 1: racist online messages and he has, as a result of

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Speaker 1: been arrested. This is candidate for Fort Bank County Commission

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Speaker 1: to Rawl Patel And let me just let y'all hear

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Speaker 8: Patel sent out a press release with the collage of

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Speaker 8: accounts behind the comments as Antonio scallywag. The documents then

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Speaker 8: further detailed how they linked that account back to Patel,

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Speaker 8: Patel's credit card number, address, phone number, and other personal data.

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Speaker 8: Patel now faces a third degree felony of online impersonation

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Speaker 1: Oh y'all ah right, Jesus, does he win the race?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't know. Let's talk about a

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Speaker 7: I just wonder how many times people on both sides

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Speaker 6: Are gonna continue to traffic in this tiff.

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Speaker 7: We know, we had a little call without you yesterday

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Speaker 7: and we were talking about it's not gonna be politics

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Speaker 7: are everywhere today, is gonna be nonsense is everywhere? And

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Speaker 7: this is really one of those This is really one

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Speaker 7: are certain things that you can't do. I don't know

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Speaker 7: enough about Terrell's background. Terrell, I wonder if that's even

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Speaker 7: that man. Nay, probably some different how than called this

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Speaker 7: had a straight brother's day. Shout out to Terrell Jackson

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Speaker 7: a caffish corner.

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Speaker 6: See, I watched it.

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Speaker 7: But anyway, I mean Jesus, But I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 7: I really wonder, speaking of caffish, why did he catfish

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Speaker 7: these people? Why and pretend like he was getting racist? Hey, mail,

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Speaker 7: here's the reality of the situation. We don't have to

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Speaker 7: make up racism. We live it every day. We don't

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Speaker 6: We experience it every single day.

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Speaker 7: And I promise you, if y'all are not experiencing it,

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Speaker 7: it's not much to be desired here. I want freedom

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Speaker 7: for you. I want liberation for you. I want you

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Speaker 7: to be able to go forth outside of oppression. I

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Speaker 7: don't need you to make this up, because we got

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Speaker 7: it hard enough out here on the record, off the record,

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Speaker 7: in between the record. We don't need you to make

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Speaker 7: up any false records. That's all I got on this, Andrew.

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Speaker 6: That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiffany, I just have to say it must. I've

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Speaker 1: been in local I've been in media markets where you

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Speaker 1: have to fight for attention when you're in a race

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Speaker 1: and there are bigger races going on. I just have

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Speaker 1: to imagine that the young man just got overcome by

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Speaker 1: of his community so bad. You're so nice that he thought, Man,

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Speaker 1: what is the most extreme thing I can do to

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Speaker 1: give some attention? And Facebook, which never acts on anything

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Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, these individual complaints, gonna

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Speaker 1: get a subpoena, get the man's credit card, w records,

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Speaker 1: I mean, put together all the facts to show that

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Speaker 5: I wish Metal would use their resources for actual genuine

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Speaker 5: challenges that they have. And I don't know enough about

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Speaker 5: I think I don't know if you're being nice, naive

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Speaker 5: people so badly, Andrew, because this is narcissism one on

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Speaker 5: one brother, Like, I mean, I look at this immediate.

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Speaker 5: It's like you want the traffic and genuine pain of

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Speaker 5: so many people in this country to gain sympathy and

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Speaker 5: And I think of all the candidates, you know, there's

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Speaker 5: a predominantly white male donor class uses viable And I

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Speaker 5: probably much better well suited candidates to service constituents. I

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Speaker 5: don't know how you go on to DC after that

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Speaker 5: I don't like it. I don't like that he did

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Speaker 5: that at all. It's not it's not cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. And for the record, here the

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Speaker 1: investigation and to all of this story began because Andy

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Speaker 1: Meyer's opponent to mister Patel decided to initiate an investigation

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, this young man is representing

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Speaker 1: nobody but himself. Yes, right now, right there's no broader

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Speaker 1: message to be I think the I from from it

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Speaker 1: other than to say, you know, I thought this was

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Speaker 1: but but in truth, y'all, I think all of us

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Speaker 1: agree here that, you know, race racism is nothing to

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Speaker 1: be played with, nothing to be toy with, And as

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Speaker 1: Angela already pointed out, you certainly don't have to manufacture

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Speaker 1: the experience on this.

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Speaker 7: I do want to point out to Andrew, he was

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Speaker 7: actually running for a position you've once held, not in Texas,

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Speaker 7: but in Florida. He's running for county commissioner mission So

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Speaker 7: he was not gonna go to DC, thank god. Tip

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Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no, he's running for county commissioner.

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Speaker 1: No, but y'all know we've seen worse in Congress.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, now we've got to have that. We don't

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Speaker 6: have to have a pression Olympics. I was just.

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Speaker 7: Saying that, yeah, he's not he was not going there,

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Speaker 10: Hey ALVAM pod, This is Grant from southern California. I

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Speaker 4: He's like, I want to help.

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Speaker 7: I want to make sure we cut this question for

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Speaker 7: social media.

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Speaker 6: I love this is you know what you guys.

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Speaker 7: I'm just sorry, I'm over talking everybody, but just I

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Speaker 7: just have to say, this is exactly what we envisioned

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Speaker 7: in starting this podcast.

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Speaker 6: It is a community.

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Speaker 7: It is so much greater than a conversation between three friends.

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Speaker 6: Every week.

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Speaker 7: The whole idea every week, y'all, is to ensure that

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Speaker 7: y'all feel just as much at home as we are,

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Speaker 7: to tell us what our blind spots are, to tell

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Speaker 7: us where how we can serve you better. You know,

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Speaker 7: Andrew is the quintessential public servant, and it's constantly in

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Speaker 7: that mode, cannot help himself, and we just want to

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Speaker 7: make it better. We want to make information more accessible.

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Speaker 7: We want to ensure that y'all feel heard, seen and

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Speaker 7: not ignored. That part about a demographic being ignored resonates

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Speaker 7: so deeply. We you know, I was joking about posters

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Speaker 7: and who they talked to and if they talk to

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Speaker 7: us ever. But it's kind of like the truth and

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Speaker 7: humor thing. So I'm so grateful Grant that you not

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Speaker 7: only volunteer Joe services we will be calling, but you

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Speaker 7: also talk to us about some things in tech that

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Speaker 7: I didn't I didn't know about it, never heard about

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Speaker 7: empathy driven design, and I'm very curious to learn about

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Speaker 7: that and how we can implement implement that in these

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Speaker 7: Pole results and Pole results up coming.

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Speaker 1: Love that and Tip, I saw your enthusiasm over there

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Speaker 1: as well. I think I think we all share it.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean, I loved all of it,

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Speaker 1: but I absolutely love like yeah, and do y'all need

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Speaker 1: some help me and some of my tech friends. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's the beauty of it. And I will say,

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Speaker 1: we've heard you know Lolo, who's research associate here who

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Speaker 1: vets through, reads through, provides us feedback and make sure

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Speaker 1: that the audience perspective is very present every time we

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Speaker 1: are contemplating what we bring to them, and she indicated

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Speaker 1: and really positive. This is a question that I want

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Speaker 1: to put to the two of you, really the three

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Speaker 1: of us, which is this idea of folks feeling like

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Speaker 1: they've been given something to do and are feeling like

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Speaker 1: by taking action, just taking Marilyn Moseby and the organizing

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Speaker 1: angela that you let around that for Native Land and

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Speaker 1: the way our community showed up, folks really just feeling

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Speaker 1: very inspired by their ability to through in action, impact

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Speaker 1: something that is in service to something greater than themselves.

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Speaker 1: And it has frequently in comments and otherwise come up

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Speaker 1: like what else could Native Land be doing? Should we

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Speaker 1: also be doing a letter on this? Should we start

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Speaker 1: a petition on this? And uh, of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of if we were just wearing our host hats

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Speaker 1: only we're like, look, it's enough to try to remember

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Speaker 1: and read and digest and try to communicate, you know,

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Speaker 1: out to folks in a way that folks can hear

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Speaker 1: us and and understand. But the truth is that folks

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Speaker 1: have greater expectation. I think we've had greater have greater

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Speaker 1: expectation even for ourselves on what this platform will be.

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Speaker 1: But I am curious from each of you how you

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Speaker 1: all sort of perspective, you know, upon that, how you

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Speaker 1: reflect on this not being a conversation tank, but but

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Speaker 1: more of an action tank for ourselves and for the

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Speaker 1: and for the greater Native lampire community. What does that

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Speaker 1: look like for you? Is there a template for initiating

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Speaker 1: in action? We don't want to, you know, create color

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Speaker 1: of change all over again. But but, but, but how

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Speaker 1: do you feel pulled one way or another around what

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Speaker 1: our activism versus our education? Informing and conversating, which I

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Speaker 1: know is not a word.

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Speaker 7: It is though, don't don't play me, don't play to

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Speaker 7: West Coast. It is the conversation there we are.

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Speaker 1: But just interested in hearing whether or not y'all feel

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Speaker 1: any particular way about about our level of activity and action.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, So I love that people feel inspired. I

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Speaker 5: hope it inspires people to develop their own pods and

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Speaker 5: their own communities and move beyond.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 5: It'd always call you know, hashtag activism, which a lot

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Speaker 5: of younger people you know, engaged in for a while

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Speaker 5: and then took to the streets and elevated social policies

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Speaker 5: to the halls of national lawmakers and whatnot. So I

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Speaker 5: hope that that continues. Definitely always gives a shout out

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Speaker 5: to Angela for being chief staffs at the Blacks and

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Speaker 5: and you know, hopping on these things and like really

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Speaker 5: driving social change.

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Speaker 4: I have to.

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Speaker 5: Say, I like the idea that people look at Native

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Speaker 5: lampod as you know, a think tank and action tank.

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Speaker 5: My laser focus is typically always an information tank. I

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Speaker 5: think we're so disserviced by the media landscape, so I

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Speaker 5: never want to follow the news, but drive the news

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Speaker 5: and tell people about things that they don't get to

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Speaker 5: hear anywhere else that you know, they're denied unfortunately with

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Speaker 5: different platforms. And I hope even in doing that that

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Speaker 5: with more information people feel compelled to, you know, increase

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Speaker 5: their intellectual curiosity and hopefully that drives out activism as well.

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Speaker 5: So I love it, and I love that our audience

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Speaker 5: is enthusiastic about picking up arms and getting in the

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Speaker 5: fight to better this here democracy, this here society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think. And if by the way, information

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Speaker 1: as we know is no like, ain't no lightlift, trying

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Speaker 1: to break through and make sure all of us are

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Speaker 1: at least starting as some common share place of information truth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 7: There was one other point in Grant's question where he

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Speaker 7: referenced making a list of demands like in this sixties,

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Speaker 7: And I just I want to double down on that

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Speaker 7: point because I think it gets at what Tiff is

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Speaker 7: saying about information. But I also think that we, you know,

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Speaker 7: there's a reason why every single week we have a

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Speaker 7: call to action, each of us share something because we

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Speaker 7: know that information without action is you know, just filling

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Speaker 7: your heads with knowledge, which is important. But we all

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Speaker 7: know that we have a role to play here. And

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Speaker 7: so it wasn't just the sixties where there was a

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Speaker 7: list of demands. Actually black folks began organizing around our

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Speaker 7: freedom during slavery and having freedom conventions regularly to talk

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Speaker 7: about what the next steps would be in order to

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Speaker 7: ensure emancipation of liberation for black people everywhere. That certainly

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Speaker 7: continued in the sixties. It continued when the Congressional Black

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Speaker 7: HAWKUS met with Richard Nixon when brought sixty one recommendations

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Speaker 7: to him. It's considered I mean sorry. It continued in

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Speaker 7: nineteen seventy two in Gary and Deana with the National

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Speaker 7: Black Political Convention. It continued and continues to this day

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Speaker 7: with our friend Alicia Garza who's done a Black census

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Speaker 7: through Black Futures lab and then they fulfilled that with

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Speaker 7: a Black to the Future Action Fund agenda in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't a lot of pickup. There should be a

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Speaker 7: lot of pickup. There will be an agenda that is

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Speaker 7: economically focused from Black to the Future Action Fund this

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Speaker 7: year because two hundred thousand black people took that Black Census,

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Speaker 7: and so we have to continue to ensure that we

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Speaker 7: are sharing these kinds of pieces of information. I will

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Speaker 7: say for full disclosure, so I'm not looking like I'm

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Speaker 7: pubbing something that I'm now a part of. I've been

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Speaker 7: so passionate about the Black agenda that they asked me

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Speaker 7: to serve on the Black Future's Lab board. So I

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Speaker 7: shameless plug there, but also want to make sure that

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Speaker 7: if there's any conflict, you all know what it is.

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Speaker 7: The conflict is for black advancement. But I want to

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Speaker 7: make sure that you know about my representation on that

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Speaker 7: board as well.

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Speaker 4: And we're glad that you serveing on that board.

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Speaker 6: It is my honor and privilege.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to Alisia Garza.

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Speaker 7: But yes, I hope that we can canntinue to partner

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Speaker 7: with entities like that.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna break some news here.

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Speaker 7: We are going to be at Essence on the main

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Speaker 7: stage on July seventh and talking about black women under attack.

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Speaker 7: It'll be our second live podcast, a major opportunity, and

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Speaker 7: maybe this is an opportunity for us to look at

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Speaker 7: Essence as a potential poll partner for our next poll

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Speaker 7: where we have a larger audience focusing mostly on black

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Speaker 7: women in that pole.

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Speaker 6: But I think it would be a great thing for Lolos.

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Speaker 7: She's gonna be like, if y'all give you one more job,

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Speaker 7: I love do we got another job, But I think

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Speaker 7: it'd be good.

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Speaker 6: We want to get this information out.

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Speaker 1: Angela and Tiff. The only thing I would would would

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Speaker 1: would add is I think all of us have a

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Speaker 1: role to play, you know, in this work. I don't

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Speaker 1: want anyone to think we are we want to parlay

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Speaker 1: or push off any part of this, but I do

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Speaker 1: think part of our work requires that we are a

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Speaker 1: growing movement of people. And Tiff mentioned starts your own podcast.

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Speaker 1: One thought that I had was.

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Speaker 5: I didn't say it starts your own podcasts. I didn't

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Speaker 5: start your own pod of action all start your Wow

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Speaker 5: the podcast marketplace is crowded, is not more of a

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Speaker 5: go for it. But I was saying start your own

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Speaker 5: pod like community pod where your inacting change. My apology,

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Speaker 5: I wasn't very articulate.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, either way, I think my comment is

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Speaker 1: consistent with yours, which is simply, we talked about your

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Speaker 1: choices for who you are voting for the upcoming election,

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Speaker 1: and that one of I think better than big superstars

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Speaker 1: yelling their endorsements from some big old stage and arena

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Speaker 1: us individually just talking about what brings us to the

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Speaker 1: place that we're at and why we are doing the

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Speaker 1: taking the action that we are taking to vote support

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Speaker 1: and organized for who we're supporting. You never ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: ever should underestimate the power of your voice and who

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Speaker 1: you are example to around and within your own sphere,

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Speaker 1: and so if, if, if nothing else, it doesn't require

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Speaker 1: a petition or anything from this group just to try

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Speaker 1: to hold each other individually but also as a community

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Speaker 1: accountable for giving and setting forth your own individualized reasons

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Speaker 1: for why you are taking the steps to vote for

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Speaker 1: whomever it is that you're choosing to vote for in

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Speaker 1: this national race and obviously every office falling beneath it.

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Speaker 1: But it certainly begins, I think, by adding your individual

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Speaker 1: personal testimony because you never know whose consciousness and then

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Speaker 1: actions you preak and so doing Angela. Another compelling thing

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Speaker 1: that people rely on to help guide them around voting

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Speaker 1: is advertising to tell them what the people did, what

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Speaker 1: they want to do, and how they gonna.

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Speaker 7: Get it done. In just about that, I sure will.

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Speaker 7: But right after this break, because we got some ads.

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Speaker 4: Way, can I ask a flash before we go to break?

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Speaker 4: Angela broke some news. Do we know what we're wearing

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Speaker 4: at Essence or we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 6: LA means I'm definitely wearing down.

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Speaker 4: Angel's been on denim now I have time.

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Speaker 1: To I only own one denim. I only own one thing,

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Speaker 1: denim jacket.

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Speaker 6: You know. I like to be a stylist on the side.

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Speaker 6: Would you guys like me to send.

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Speaker 5: You su yes, if we're all wearing denim, because last

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Speaker 5: time I did the denim didn't look right. So okay,

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Speaker 5: if we're all wearing denim, come to Essence, you guys,

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Speaker 5: you don't have to wear dinnim. I just really enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: You know what it was?

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Speaker 7: Honestly, I have major like I think too long about

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Speaker 7: what I'm gonna wear. So I was when we did

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Speaker 7: dinnim for our photo shoot I was like, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 7: wearing dinim the whole time.

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Speaker 6: It just narrows it.

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Speaker 4: Let's go boys to men style and all dress are

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Speaker 4: like on the stage.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we've already done that destiny. Yes, let's pay some

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Speaker 1: bills so we can afford some destinies.

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Speaker 6: Hey, because we want to be survivors and we want

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Speaker 6: to make it. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 9: In the courtroom. We see Donald Trump for who he is.

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Speaker 9: He's been convicted of thirty four felonies, found lyle for

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Speaker 9: sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud. Meanwhile, Joe Biden's

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Speaker 9: been working lowering healthcare costs and making big corporations pay

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Speaker 9: their fair share. This election is between a convicted criminal

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Speaker 9: who's only out for himself and a president who's fighting

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Speaker 9: for your family.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Biden and I approved this message.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to note that the Biden campaign

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Speaker 7: has spent fifty million dollars on this ad buy for June,

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Speaker 7: and again I want to emphasize that I've not seen

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Speaker 7: this ad. The only place I've heard about this ad

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Speaker 7: is on campaign staff and surrogate's talking about it on

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Speaker 7: cable news. Because the Biden campaign sent out an email

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Speaker 7: blast lifting up that these campaigns arrogates campaign staffers.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about the ad on these various.

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Speaker 7: Platforms, so I've not seen the ad other than through

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Speaker 7: the campaign. So I would love to know what you

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Speaker 7: all A's initial reaction is to this ad. I certainly

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Speaker 7: have some thoughts tactically. I offer free campaign advice on

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Speaker 7: this show for some reason, and I'm going to do

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Speaker 7: that because I just can't help myself. But I first

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Speaker 7: like to hear from you, Tiff and Andrew, which your

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Speaker 7: initial thoughts were. In hearing character matters from the Biden campaign.

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Speaker 5: I was unmoved by it, to be honest, and I'm

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Speaker 5: really surprised because I can't if you just said this

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Speaker 5: now or we said it early on the call, that

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Speaker 5: it was, you know, a part of their thinking was

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Speaker 5: gearing this towards black voters or voters of color. I

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Speaker 5: felt unmoved by it, But I will caveat this with

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Speaker 5: I think that we have a more sophisticated viewing audience

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Speaker 5: on our hands nowadays, more sophisticated voters, and I'm just

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Speaker 5: not sure how many people are swayed by ads. Either way,

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Speaker 5: It's clear that it is not a choice between Biden

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Speaker 5: and Trump, but in the Democratic Party a choice between

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Speaker 5: Biden and the couch. I don't know that political ads

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Speaker 5: will be the thing to motivate people to not choose

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Speaker 5: the couch. I don't know what that is argue policy,

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Speaker 5: but I just I felt unmoved. It was blast typical

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Speaker 5: political ad that I think they're going to have to

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Speaker 5: do a lot more work to be a lot more

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Speaker 5: innovative at reaching different demographics as the demographics of the

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Speaker 5: country continue to change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair, you know. I think when

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Speaker 1: I first I saw the ad on cable news when

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Speaker 1: they were talking about the ad, and I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: at that point that it was an ad targeting the

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Speaker 1: FAM community. To me, that's a curious choice. That ad,

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Speaker 1: to me, is a curious choice as an opening salvo

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Speaker 1: to black voters to bring them around, especially when you

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Speaker 1: consider when you line up what consistently is showing up

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Speaker 1: as the most important issues for our voters and our

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Speaker 1: poll I think reemphasize what some of the other polling is,

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Speaker 1: which is the economy is the biggest deal. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean everything else doesn't matter, but it's a pretty big deal.

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Speaker 1: I would say I choose that theme over crime and

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Speaker 1: character as the opening conversation, and then I will complement

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Speaker 1: it in this way. There is a thread there that

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Speaker 1: I think could be profound, which is Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: out there working for himself while Joe Biden's out there

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Speaker 1: working for us. And then if they could take this,

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Speaker 1: you know, this idea of Joe Biden working for us,

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Speaker 1: which I think actually feels true to maybe not even

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Speaker 1: a highly in formed voter. That you see him and

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Speaker 1: you feel like the man's out there trying to do

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Speaker 1: stuff on your behalf, whether it's the right set of stuff.

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Speaker 6: You feel like in real life, how you feel like I.

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Speaker 1: Do feel like between the two, and again that's what

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Speaker 1: this is me a choice.

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Speaker 7: Okay, give me one thing where Joe Biden did this,

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Speaker 7: and I feel like, and I'm not trying to be

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Speaker 7: I really want you to know.

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Speaker 6: For the audience and for the five.

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Speaker 7: People that did our poll that ain't voters, like, why like,

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Speaker 7: what is the thing that Joe Biden were?

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Speaker 1: You like?

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Speaker 6: Damn if that man worked for me?

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Speaker 1: What it is? I? Of course, I of course go

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Speaker 1: back to his policies early COVID, well, his dealing with

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Speaker 1: COVID after Trump and the incredible way in which they

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Speaker 1: realigned and caused government to rethink the role that it

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Speaker 1: is supposed to play and the American people's lives on

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Speaker 1: everything from healthcare to free lunch to making sure that

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Speaker 1: the child tax credit actually equaled what it costs for

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Speaker 1: a family to have a child in daycare for the

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Speaker 1: day under child care for the day. So I thought

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Speaker 1: there was some rubber meets the road sort of steps

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Speaker 1: that the administration took and concert with the with the

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Speaker 1: Congress that felt like, man, these people are walking up

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Speaker 1: my they are coming down my driveway with this stuff

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Speaker 1: that they're talking about. And I will tell you voters

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Speaker 1: felt the same way. I just read this article about

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Speaker 1: some of the farmers down and Georgia who were like, look,

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Speaker 1: I gotta check when Trump was there, and I got

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Speaker 1: it this way. That's the kind of stuff that people

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Speaker 1: remember that their lives were changed in that way. And

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Speaker 1: so yes, I do feel like if I heard it,

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Speaker 1: I would believe it to be reasonably true and honest

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is trying to work for us. Okay, Tiff,

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Speaker 1: you made you disagree.

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Speaker 7: It's okay, Angela, No I wanted to I just no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: that's not even about it. We always disagree on here,

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Speaker 7: but I wanted to hear from TIF, like, if there's

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Speaker 7: something else that felt like this would be more, this

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Speaker 7: would make it, would make it more resonant. We did

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Speaker 7: not see this ad and when we said you were

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Speaker 7: just like, it fell flat. So okay, all right, well

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Speaker 7: maybe there's nothing. So here's my idea.

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Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna paint the picture for y'all. Here's my change.

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Speaker 6: The narrator, Morgan Freeman.

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Speaker 7: It don't need to be no love that chicken from Papaye.

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Speaker 7: We ain't got to do that, right, We don't have

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Speaker 7: to do that. But can we get a Morgan Freeman narrator?

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Speaker 7: Could we start with a cold open of Alvin Bragg

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Speaker 7: reading the indictment, because the only conviction there is right

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Speaker 7: now is Alvin Bragg's indictment. Can we have a jury,

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Speaker 7: someone acting as the foreman of the jury reading guilty

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Speaker 7: thirty four times?

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Speaker 6: What I think this ad is missing is real impact.

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Speaker 7: You telling me that he's a convicted felon, So toa

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Speaker 7: how what I got convicted felons in my family? So

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Speaker 7: to how what I got convicted felons that I might

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Speaker 7: want to hire to work with me, Like, tell me

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Speaker 7: why his conviction as a felon matters and why that

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Speaker 7: means he shouldn't serve the field. You could say, breaking news,

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump makes history. The first person to ever run

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Speaker 7: and potentially win for president is a convicted velap. Maybe

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Speaker 7: even do it that way, but tell me why his

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Speaker 7: conviction and then what the convictions are for. He falsified

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Speaker 7: business records thirty four times. Meanwhile, and then here's a

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Speaker 7: better contrast to me. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is getting credits

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Speaker 7: to small businesses. Meanwhile, Joe Biden is ensuring that it's

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Speaker 7: easier to produce business records that are whatever it is.

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Speaker 7: But something that draws a contrast to me, the contrast

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Speaker 7: from Donald Trump as your potential president versus Joe Biden,

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Speaker 7: it was like apples and oranges. In fact, it was

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Speaker 7: like apples and FOD trucks. It didn't make any sense

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Speaker 7: at all in that ad. The transition was too quick

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Speaker 7: and it was not parallel enough. So I just think,

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Speaker 7: if you're gonna go down this road, understand one that

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Speaker 7: based on the jacked up ass Department of Justice we have,

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Speaker 7: you're actually putting your son in the crosshairs. Of this

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Speaker 7: because now Hunter Biden is also convicted. No, he's not

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Speaker 7: running for president, but people are basic and it'll be

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Speaker 7: a Trump and a Biden have to meet people where

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Speaker 7: they are.

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Speaker 6: And so if you're.

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Speaker 7: Going to highlight or lowlight what his conviction is or

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Speaker 7: the fact that he is convicted, be prepared to rumble

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Speaker 7: in Andrew's Atlanta jungle on what the reasons are for

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Speaker 7: this conviction. I think you need to have it sound scary.

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Speaker 7: It needs to be very clear about what it was

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Speaker 7: highlight the black man that got this man indicted to

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Speaker 7: begin with. I just it was such a miss. If

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Speaker 7: you're gonna be in this, be ready to roll your

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Speaker 7: sleeves up and fight for real, because that ad was

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Speaker 7: way too patty kakey for me.

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Speaker 5: I don't know enough about it, and I wonder if

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Speaker 5: there's some sort of FEC violation about like politicizing a

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Speaker 5: criminal investigation, even though this at the state level, so

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Speaker 5: it's not like it's federal. So I don't know, but

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Speaker 5: I like the idea. I think what you described is

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Speaker 5: definitely a lot more impactful than that AD. I would

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Speaker 5: still maintain is that ad gona sway anybody?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: I just I don't.

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Speaker 7: I think my ad could maybe fall five people, but

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Speaker 7: the way they ran, but I just.

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Speaker 1: Know I was confused. What you described was I think

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Speaker 1: a different ad than what they thought they were doing there.

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Speaker 1: I think they meant for this to be more about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden working for while Donald Trump is tending to

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Speaker 1: all of his self inflicted selfish, you know, narcissistic uh issues.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's out here doing the things are staked right.

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Speaker 1: The imagery that was being shown there was of what

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Speaker 1: you would expect to be common day, what a president

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Speaker 1: is doing day, you know, through the course of a dad.

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Speaker 7: Just let's run it one more time, because I did

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Speaker 7: not get that that did not connect for me that

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Speaker 7: this was Joe Like. To me, it felt like you're

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Speaker 7: trying to demonize Trump hard switch to Biden, and the

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Speaker 7: Biden stuff they touted in the ad was too vague.

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Speaker 6: It's just too vague. It didn't It didn't connect for me,

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Speaker 6: and not trying.

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Speaker 2: To be we.

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Speaker 1: Can watch it again. I just want to say, I

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Speaker 1: think that the ad that you are describing is a

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Speaker 1: worthwhile ad and should be done on its own without

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Speaker 1: the herculean task of trying to do thirty things in

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Speaker 1: that one and that one ad. Maybe the ad should

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Speaker 1: just be that one thing.

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Speaker 6: I hear it.

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Speaker 1: In this case, I think they were trying to contrast.

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Speaker 1: These two individuals are saying, this guy's a selfish narcissist

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Speaker 1: who's in court every day, and this guy is showing

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Speaker 1: up and doing the unromanticized job as president and keeping

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Speaker 1: this country going. And whether they delivered effectively I think

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Speaker 1: obviously is up for debate.

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Speaker 7: Is it they've been not delivered effectively messaging wise? You

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Speaker 7: know what I'm saying, And I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 7: I think one you're saying they did too they tried

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Speaker 7: to do too much in that one AD.

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Speaker 6: Two.

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Speaker 7: I also hear the point t if you didn't say

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Speaker 7: this directly, Andrew, I feel like you said this a

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Speaker 7: little more like this piece around demonizing Trump is maybe

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Speaker 7: it's effective, but all so people know that he's a

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Speaker 7: demon already, So how much more do we need to

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Speaker 7: get into that. I think it's more like so, for example,

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Speaker 7: in this USA Today, I'm saying this really quickly. This

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Speaker 7: USA Today, Poul that we mentioned earlier, they said that

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Speaker 7: they said that Donald Trump is not a fellow victim

873
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 7: of injustice.

874
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: Right.

875
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 7: They said that there's not an overwhelming number of black

876
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 7: folks who say that they see him as a fellow

877
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 7: victim of unfair justice. You can double down on that

878
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 7: to you know, to the extent that it matters to

879
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 7: the three people they talk to in this poul. You

880
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 7: can double down on that and say, let me show

881
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 7: you how much he's not like y'all. This is not

882
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 7: an unjust verdict. This is someone who did the same

883
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 7: thing with great intention thirty four times.

884
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 6: That was my thinking.

885
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 7: And they said that that didn't ring true by a

886
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 7: five to one margin in Michigan and a seven to

887
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 7: one margin in Pennsylvania.

888
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 6: That's the ad to run targeting black folks.

889
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 7: Can y'all believe that this man is saying he understands

890
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 7: the injustice that you all of experience, But he's actually

891
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 7: a real criminal who was totally utilizing a system that

892
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 7: has benefited from benefiting him for too long. It is

893
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 7: not the first time he's done this. This is just

894
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 7: the time he got caught. That's what I would have

895
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 7: done there. And then they said that they overwhelmingly people

896
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 7: wanted him to Folks who look like us wanted him

897
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 7: to go to jail, That is not Those aren't folks

898
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 7: who believe that he did something that was wishy washy.

899
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 7: They really believe in the anyway in the wrong for.

900
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wrongness of it. And I think where

901
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: I am on that is where Tiffany I think has

902
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: positive the question, which is is it does it make

903
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: a difference?

904
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 8: Yeah?

905
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: And I think if if Biden's ads become thirty minute

906
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: thirty second thirty minute thirty second ads about the conviction

907
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: to your point, answer to Tiffany's question, does it is

908
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: it too baked in? And does it compel or move anybody?

909
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not I don't think it can be off

910
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: the I don't think it could be off the table

911
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: at all. I think it has to be. But to

912
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: your point, if it's on the table, put the thing

913
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: on the table, make it plain, you know, put the

914
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: cookies on the bottom shelf. Everybody can reach in. I

915
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: do have one curious, maybe not interesting and maybe not

916
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: even important. No, they used the term convicted criminal and

917
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: not convicted felon. They didn't say convicted felon once in

918
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: that ad. Yeah, And I'm curious, Tiffany, if you to me,

919
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: it seems like a conscious choice. Do you think it

920
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: was and do you think it lessens you know, the

921
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: bang by avoiding the use of the word conviction, And

922
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: there's probably a re I mean a convicted felon, the

923
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: description of convicted felon versus convicted criminal.

924
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 5: I'm happy they said criminal. I guess I think that's

925
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Speaker 5: more accurate and accessible. If everybody knows that you did

926
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Speaker 5: something wrong. There are convicted felons the ends of the

927
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Speaker 5: point that we know perhaps can be innocent. So maybe

928
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 5: that was part of conscious of their thought. But I

929
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: also think this is like such minutia. You know, It's like,

930
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 5: I don't know that people if they did say felling,

931
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Speaker 5: I don't know that would have made a difference.

932
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: I don't know.

933
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: I just I feel like these these these political ads

934
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: are so it's so very inside the beltwagh, except when

935
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 5: it's so compelling that it transcends, and that's the kind

936
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Speaker 5: of ad that you want to create, like our frang

937
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 5: Gary Chambers did when he ran for Senate in Louisiana.

938
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Speaker 5: His ad was so compelling people who didn't live in

939
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Speaker 5: that state saw it, they shared it, they talked about it.

940
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 5: So yeah, this just feels like whatever you.

941
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Know, I think, I think. I think what I'm taking

942
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: away from the conversation is kind of where we're ending here,

943
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: which is, I do think ads can be impactful. I

944
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: know because I put my heart and soul into many

945
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: of them, not the scripted ones, but the ones that

946
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: were like, how do I bear myself here in a

947
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: way that you see me and you hear me and

948
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: you want to know more? And I think, do you

949
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: know how they used to say, let let you know,

950
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: let Joe be Joe if you will, in some ways

951
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: you almost want to. I don't know Joseph Robin at

952
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Biden personally in that way, So I don't know if

953
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: Joe being Joe is the thing, but I do know

954
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: that there is a real connecting, empathetic, also true believer

955
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: in this guy who's our president that I think should

956
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: cut through. And I would probably appreciate ads that give

957
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: me more of a cut through than I think. What

958
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: you're describing is the rut row of political ads, which

959
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: which is non discision.

960
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 5: I think it is an important point that you make, Andrew,

961
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 5: because that's very fair. Your ads were compelling. Local ads

962
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 5: on local issues are a lot more compelling because more

963
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 5: people are consuming them. When you consider the people who

964
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 5: vote in local elections, they're watching local news, which a

965
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 5: lot of people at the national level are not. Yeah,

966
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 5: and you consider all they say, all politics are local

967
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: for a reason. So when there's something that's more tangible

968
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 5: to you, if you're voting on, you know, if the

969
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 5: street's going to get paved down the block, you're voting

970
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 5: on how your kids are going to go to school

971
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 5: and who's going to be their superintendent. Like those local

972
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 5: ads touch people in a different way. At the national level,

973
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: I just I don't know that they do. I really don't,

974
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 5: but I.

975
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 7: Could I get better, they share better, I know. To

976
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 7: takeaway before we go to this quick break is Joe

977
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 7: Biden's mama definitely has some black friends. Because when you

978
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 7: said Robinette, I was like, you know, that is a

979
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 7: real thing.

980
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 6: But anyway, let's go to this break.

981
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Speaker 8: Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.

982
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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back, everybody.

983
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 5: I want to talk about something today that is a

984
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 5: huge story that you will not hear in Western media,

985
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: much to my frustration, and that is tou Dan Sudan

986
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 5: is facing a humanitarian crisis that could be worse than

987
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 5: anything the world has seen. When we were younger, you

988
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 5: guys may remember, people used to always reference Ethiopia and hunger.

989
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, one and the same, And

990
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Speaker 5: now this particular crisis can surpass what Ethiopia was forty

991
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 5: years ago. Right now, there are over seven hundred and

992
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 5: fifty thousand people facing catastrophic levels of food shortages. That's

993
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 5: in addition to over twenty five million people facing acute

994
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 5: food shortages on the longer term, and all that's according

995
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 5: to the Integrated Food Security phase. But the UN is

996
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 5: warning about this. Samantha Powers, so you guys remember, was

997
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 5: the ambassador to the United Nations under Obama. Now she

998
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 5: runs USAID. She's warned about this. People are talking about it,

999
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 5: just not much attention. Sadly here, much of the media

1000
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 5: attention is focused on Gaza, But Sudan is already the

1001
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 5: worst humanitarian crisis in the world world and it's slipping

1002
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 5: towards a humanitarian disaster of historic proportions with far less

1003
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 5: media coverage. As we've seen, only the countries only received

1004
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 5: sixteen percent of the funds it needs to feed people,

1005
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 5: and it's very we had more time, I could get

1006
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 5: into the history and why this is happening. But what

1007
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: people need to know there are two warring factions that

1008
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 5: are blocking aid and the country is in a state

1009
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 5: of disrepair. The last time we heard a lot about

1010
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 5: Sudan was when actors like Don Chito and George Clooney,

1011
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 5: we're talking about darfour. Sadly, the media continues to fail us.

1012
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 5: And why this matters to you out there listening is

1013
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 5: because what happens in the globe does cast a wide

1014
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 5: net of influence, and it does impact our federal budget,

1015
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 5: it impacts our foreign policy. And just because the echo

1016
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 5: chambers are blood obsessed and blood drunk, was talking about

1017
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and the Hunter Byden trial and you know,

1018
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 5: the same stories. I hope and I invite people to

1019
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 5: have a little more curiosity about what's happening outside of

1020
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 5: our borders, because these are literally tens of millions of

1021
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 5: people who look like us, who are facing death, and

1022
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 5: it can come across like the world doesn't care. And

1023
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 5: while they saw people rally and unite over the poor

1024
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 5: disparate treatment of the Palestinian people, I would hope and

1025
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 5: invite people to be just this outrage about what's happening

1026
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: on the continent as well.

1027
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, that's fair, Tiffany, And I think it often,

1028
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: too often becomes a convenient excuse to say, you know,

1029
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: you've got warring factions within one country. You know. I

1030
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: hear it too often here in Florida when we talk

1031
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: about what's happening in Haiti, where it's like, oh, well,

1032
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: they're just doing it to themselves. I'm thinking the US

1033
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: finds a way to intervene.

1034
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 12: In nearly every part of the globe ann intra conflict.

1035
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 12: How is it that you only name check it when

1036
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 12: the country in which we're being asked or called or

1037
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 12: maybe compelled to intervene in it happens to be full

1038
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 12: of black folk.

1039
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Speaker 5: And if you go back far enough, Andrew, there is

1040
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: almost always a US handprint on what is happening in

1041
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 5: these countries. So it's not fair for us. Oh well,

1042
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: we don't have anything to do with that. It is

1043
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 5: very much. There is a saying I read this in

1044
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 5: a book, so I don't want to misquote it, but

1045
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: I read this like maybe twenty years ago, and someone

1046
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 5: was saying, if it is good or bad for ninety

1047
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: percent of the people in a black country, but good

1048
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 5: for ten percent of people in America, the US government

1049
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 5: will go for it, and a lot of that policy

1050
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 5: has extended to countries in the continent, and it is

1051
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: just I just can't imagine if twenty five million people

1052
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 5: were facing starvation who were white faced, it would be

1053
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 5: breaking news, the same way that when Putin attempted to

1054
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 5: annex Ukraine, it was breaking news. We talked about it,

1055
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 5: and this has been going on for a year now.

1056
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 5: We'll talk about it on my show, but on this platform.

1057
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 5: I just want to highlight it because this is something

1058
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 5: that should be a regular part of our conversation. There

1059
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: were three clues taking place in Africa at one point

1060
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 5: and just didn't get any coverage. And there are real,

1061
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 5: live human beings whose lives hang in the balance. These

1062
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 5: are mothers, these are children. When you see these babies

1063
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 5: just you know, just limp with malnutrition, it's awful to see.

1064
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 5: So I hope people will pay attention to it and

1065
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 5: weigh in and do what you can. Donate if you can.

1066
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 5: There are organizations the WFP I believe is taking or

1067
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 5: taking up donations, but you can google and find out

1068
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: more information at the appropriate places to donate. But it

1069
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 5: is a tragic situation that the world is facing.

1070
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 7: If is that the best way to help, Like, are

1071
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 7: there other ways that you think that we should be

1072
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 7: weighing into support? Are there certain accounts that have more

1073
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 7: information on it on social.

1074
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it's so because when when Elon kind

1075
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 5: of fragmented the Twitter space, you can't tell who's verified

1076
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 5: and who's not. But there are numerous reporters on the

1077
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 5: ground covering the issue, and it really is you know,

1078
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 5: at the level of US government, it really does rest

1079
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 5: with the UN, the United Nation where Linda Thomas Greenfield

1080
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: represents US and Samantha Powers who's the head of us

1081
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Speaker 5: ai D.

1082
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 4: So outside of.

1083
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 5: Encouraging our government to keep persisting and trying to get

1084
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 5: these folks food, and outside of donating where and when

1085
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 5: you can. But the problem is Angela that the warring factions.

1086
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 5: There's a faction of RSF who is a media power,

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Speaker 5: their rapid support forces in Sudan, who they sound like

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Speaker 5: they'd be like a humanitarian organization, but they are blocking

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Speaker 5: a getting to a lot of the people.

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Speaker 4: So it's just awful, awful situation.

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Speaker 5: So outside of learning more about it and pushing our

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Speaker 5: government to help the people there and donating where we can,

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Speaker 5: I don't know what can be done to resolve this.

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Speaker 5: I would just love to see us, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, make sure we get a credible, major place to donate.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, So you can find that information in our

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Speaker 5: show notes and we'll definitely be sure to post it

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Speaker 5: on all our social media accounts and you can follow

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Speaker 5: us at Native Land Pod.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's also what was the name of that movie,

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Speaker 1: Mister Something's War. We're based our congressman based single handed

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Speaker 1: Charlie Charlie Wilson's War. That's right. I only reference that

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Speaker 1: because sometimes many of these issues that are taking place

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Speaker 1: on the content and have come to our attention and

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Speaker 1: have have arrested American attention because certain CBC members, certain

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Speaker 1: members of Congress have sort of you know, jumped on

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Speaker 1: this thing and you know, we're a dog on a

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Speaker 1: bone and just would not let it go. And I

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Speaker 1: can think of many, you know, many such examples. I

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Speaker 1: would just say, maybe in future episodes, y'all will do

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Speaker 1: you the credit of trying to see whether or not

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Speaker 1: there are you know, those sort of standouts who aren't

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Speaker 1: again getting the attention that we can help lift. And

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Speaker 1: in addition to you know, Tiffany bringing this to our attention,

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Speaker 1: maybe they could give us some marching orders here in mainland,

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Speaker 1: what we could do. It almost sounds in some ways

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Speaker 1: like you delivered a bit of a challenge, Tiffany to us.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if you want to take this as

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Speaker 1: a leaping off point for your call to action. I will.

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Speaker 5: Actually I have a call to action. I do this

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Speaker 5: a lot with folks. If people have written in ubers

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Speaker 5: or taxis with me, they know this. So this is

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Speaker 5: my call to action to folks out there listening. When

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Speaker 5: I was in Morocco and Ivan Jehan, nobody spoke English

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Speaker 5: and people were so patient with me and very polite.

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Speaker 5: And I thought about the people who come here who

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Speaker 5: don't speak any English. And I think about how many

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Speaker 5: times I'm in a car with a driver who may

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Speaker 5: not speak English, be it Uber or you know a

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Speaker 5: driver that you know Network sends or a taxi, and

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Speaker 5: I always have conversation with them. And Google Translate helps

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Speaker 5: me because if you don't speaking, because I'm about to

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Speaker 5: ask you questions. But I get information that way, I

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Speaker 5: don't like take it as true. Obviously I verify it.

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Speaker 4: I read things.

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Speaker 5: But if I'm talking to somebody who's from India, I

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Speaker 5: ask how do the people there feel about Modi? I

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Speaker 5: was in a taxi with an Egyptian driver and I asked,

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Speaker 5: how did the people feel about Mubarak?

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Speaker 6: Like did they.

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Speaker 5: Consider him his You know, they're champion. And one people

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Speaker 5: are so appreciative that you know about their country and

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Speaker 5: their government and that you've taken an interest to talk

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Speaker 5: to them, and two that you acknowledge their humanity. Because

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Speaker 5: so many people were on the call and we're frustrated

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Speaker 5: with the driver, and I just think, man, you're here

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Speaker 5: navigating this space. You don't speak the language as well.

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Speaker 5: There are a ton of people who may not be

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Speaker 5: nice to you. There's some young kids who work at

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Speaker 5: a restaurant here. They were like seventeen and they left

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Speaker 5: Ukraine because you couldn't leave once.

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Speaker 4: You were eighteen.

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Speaker 5: And they're waiters, and I just thought, man, I see

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Speaker 5: them dealing with people who are upset because they can't

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Speaker 5: get something that's not on the menu item until dinner,

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Speaker 5: or there mad because the table took too long, and

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Speaker 5: it's like, God, these people are dealing with real life problems.

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Speaker 5: Let's see each other's humanity, have conversation. Let's get off

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Speaker 5: our phones and look up at the person driving you

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Speaker 5: and say where are you from and how do you

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Speaker 5: like it here? And how do you find America? If

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Speaker 5: they're open to talk about it. So I just think

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Speaker 5: that makes us more curious about each other and enhances

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Speaker 5: our understanding of what's happening outside America. So that's my

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Speaker 5: call to action today. And if you do it, drop

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Speaker 5: a comment. I want to know if you found an

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Speaker 5: interesting story, if you talk to somebody, I want to

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Speaker 5: hear about it.

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Speaker 4: I like hearing those kinds of.

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Speaker 1: St I tried it and it ended accustoming me the

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Speaker 1: cab because I got my ass out and walk the

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Speaker 1: rest of the way. The guy would not stop bashing Democrats.

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Speaker 11: Oh whoa yeah, but but but I've got plenty success

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Speaker 11: stories that attempt to if now, I just thought that

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Speaker 11: one always bounces on me because I'm like, I pay

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Speaker 11: you for this ding cabin.

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Speaker 1: I got out and walked. You would stop.

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Speaker 5: There are limitations, or it's like, okay, but you sound

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Speaker 5: a little crazy.

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Speaker 4: Let me get out.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Democrat, sir. Anyway, Angelou, what you got?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 6: My call to action is some hard work. I think

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 7: Tiff talks about us having an international focus a lot

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Speaker 7: and I think that there are moments in those conversations

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Speaker 7: that feel really intimidating and overwhelming to me.

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Speaker 6: And I hate not being able to fix things. I

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Speaker 6: hate not being able to have a solve. I it is.

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Speaker 7: It is so disempowering and so frustrating. And so I

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Speaker 7: think that my call to action is one is for myself,

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Speaker 7: but it's for you know, all the listeners and viewers

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Speaker 7: who find themselves similarly, similarly situated, and it is to

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Speaker 7: please not look away, but to lean in when things

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Speaker 7: are this uncomfortable and we can't find an immediate solve,

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Speaker 7: because maybe if we come together with all of our

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Speaker 7: hands just open, like what we can do, our hearts open,

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Speaker 7: what can we do and what would we want someone

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Speaker 7: to do for us, maybe there's a solve in that.

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Speaker 6: So that is my call to action today.

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Speaker 4: I love that it is.

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Speaker 5: It is not always safer in the shallow. That's a shadow,

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Speaker 5: that's a tea.

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Speaker 1: Continue, yes, indeed, which is why I'm going to take

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Speaker 1: my time and tuss it back to Angela to actually

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Speaker 1: set us up for our mini pod.

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Speaker 7: Next we do, Andrew, we have a mini pod that

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Speaker 7: is coming up, and we will let this listener question.

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Speaker 6: Kick us off and we'll tell y'all where we're going.

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Speaker 2: What's up Native Land. My name is Anthony, been a

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Speaker 2: fan of all three of you over the years. Andrew,

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Speaker 2: I'm a fellow Floridian born and raised in Saint Petersburg, Angela.

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Speaker 2: I currently reside in Seattle. I've been here about twenty

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Speaker 2: years now. And Tiff, I don't know where I would

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Speaker 2: get my sports information if it wasn't for you are

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Speaker 2: without a doubt the topic.

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Speaker 13: But I'm trying to tell y'all my question is regarding

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Speaker 13: the Fearless Fun, given the fact that this carnival clown

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Speaker 13: known as Ed Bloom continues to do nasty work when

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Speaker 13: it comes to affirmative action, and of course the Fearless

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Speaker 13: Fun suspending the Fearless Fun anyway, I was.

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Speaker 2: Wondering, can a business like The Fearless Fun repurpose itself

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Speaker 2: and reconfigure its language so that it still exists but

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Speaker 2: yet still do stuff for just black women. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these other venture capitalists are doing it the other way,

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Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying, So why can't the

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Speaker 2: Fearless Fun. I'll hang up and listen. Go Bucks, go raise,

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Speaker 2: Go Mariners. If you know you know, right, TIF, I

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Speaker 2: love it and.

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Speaker 1: I know and I know.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure it is TIF. Just a little just so

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Speaker 7: people see your expertise. Can you tell us what league

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Speaker 7: the Mariners play in?

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Speaker 5: The Mariners play in a league they participate from the

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Speaker 5: teams from.

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Speaker 4: Seattle and they play.

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Speaker 5: They play in the baseball They are a baseball team.

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Speaker 4: I knew I would get down there the Mariner.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that was once run by Bud Selick Boom giving

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Speaker 5: you some old glenfoe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I know that.

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Speaker 7: Well, we got there slowly, but surely, Anthony, shout out

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Speaker 7: to you for that great question. I will tell you

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Speaker 7: that Prince once said that black folks love to put

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Speaker 7: our whole strategy on a website. I tend to agree.

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Speaker 7: I also think that there are some things that we

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Speaker 7: could be doing with language. And you will be pleased

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Speaker 7: to know, Anthony, that we talk about a good deal

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Speaker 7: of this on an upcoming mini pod specifically dedicated to

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Speaker 7: the Fearless Fund, And we also talk about what just

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Speaker 7: happened in Tulsa, Oklahoma related to the Tulsa race massacre

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Speaker 7: and where the Supreme Court and how the Supreme Court ruled.

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Speaker 7: So there's that I'm in coming at you like escape.

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Speaker 1: Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native lampod.

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Speaker 1: every single Thursday. You can also follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim. Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: There are one hundred and thirty eight days into electionable.

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