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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, actress, producer, director Vanessa Bell Calloways in

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Speaker 1: the building.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am how are you good?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm not broke no more.

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Speaker 1: That's why we have you here. This is uh. This

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Speaker 1: show is for the self made only club. You have

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Speaker 1: to be self made. Started from the bottom and now

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Speaker 1: we're here.

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Speaker 2: Started from the bottom, now we're here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, it's an honor to have you. I was

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Speaker 1: really excited. I think I waited a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: before we got the official yes, and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like yes.

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Speaker 1: So I try not to get too excited because you

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Speaker 1: never know about last minute cancelations. But thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking time.

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Speaker 2: When I get my word, I keep my word.

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Speaker 3: So I try not to cancel on people once I've

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Speaker 3: said yes. But you're right, that is a possibility. It's

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Speaker 3: always a possibility. Now today, well what is a dish

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Speaker 3: you ate while you were broke? Because I know today

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Speaker 3: you're going to do something very special. I'm gonna do

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Speaker 3: something very quick that you that's inexpensive.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do today, So today I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To show you how to do this apricot, jalipino mint,

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Speaker 3: garlic chicken and you have karaoke in it, right, you're

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Speaker 3: just that's bearing part of the marinate. But the cool

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Speaker 3: thing about this is once you do get everything and

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Speaker 3: you get it all chopped up, and you would normally

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Speaker 3: put it in like a zip like bag overnight and

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Speaker 3: then I either grill it or roast it in the

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Speaker 3: oven or bake it. You don't really fry it. But

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Speaker 3: then you take all the leftover marinate and you put

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Speaker 3: it in a small pot and you cook it until

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Speaker 3: it bubbles up and get all the bacteria out, and

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Speaker 3: then you take the marinate and you pour it over

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Speaker 3: the chicken.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know you could do that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you could definitely do that when you have a

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Speaker 3: great marinad. Really you don't have to dump it. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: people add like a little like you could add a

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Speaker 3: little bit more tiocic too, So people just add water,

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Speaker 3: some people anything. But what you want to do is

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Speaker 3: you want to get on a pot. You want to

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Speaker 3: get a hot and you want to boil. When it

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Speaker 3: starts to boil, you're getting all that bacteria out.

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Speaker 2: You know. That's how you make grapy.

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Speaker 3: You take all the bottoms of a you know, the

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Speaker 3: stuff in the pan, and you have to flour to

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Speaker 3: it and you add a little bit more garlic and

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Speaker 2: You cook it.

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Speaker 3: And that's how you make grapely from the scrapemings at

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Speaker 3: want you because you're gonna take the marinaate because it's sweet.

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Speaker 2: The marionnae would burn on the.

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Speaker 3: Grill because of the Africa jelly. Okay, so you're gonna

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Speaker 3: kind of shake it off, grill the chicken. But then

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Speaker 3: you really get you shake it off. You gonna shake

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Speaker 3: it off, but it's marinated in that overnight. Of course,

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Speaker 3: we don't have time to do that right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but we're just gonna pretend and that's what happens. Right

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna get started if you don't mind.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this looks In the five minutes we've been together,

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Speaker 1: I've learned that when it comes to anything let or leafy,

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Speaker 1: like your mint leaves, to make sure that they're dry.

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Speaker 2: Yes, last for me.

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Speaker 3: Then she just I said, no, you've got to pat

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Speaker 3: those dry because in order for to chop up good.

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Speaker 3: It's got to be dry, but you want to wash

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Speaker 3: it first, like you want to wash your fruits, your vegetables,

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Speaker 3: you know, your your herbs. I mean, it's just like

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Speaker 3: a lettuce, like a salad. You don't wash lettuce and

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Speaker 3: Or just pat I've a spend thing, but I never

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Speaker 2: It just takes too much time.

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Speaker 3: I just take paper towel and I laid my lettuce

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Speaker 3: So any herbs anything like that that's leafy, you want

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Speaker 2: Then I put in my refrigerator, so when I go

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Speaker 1: You do that for everything, like even your meat, my fruits.

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Speaker 3: You know, not my meat, I do some like my fruits,

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Speaker 2: And then and then I'll just take a paper towel.

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Speaker 2: I love paper towels. I got you a whole roll.

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Speaker 3: I'll go through that roll. Now I'm gonna paper. I

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Speaker 3: have a thing for paper towels, really do.

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Speaker 2: It's strange, costo. But then I'll go and I'll.

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Speaker 3: Pat dry everything and then I put in my refrigerator

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Speaker 3: to when I need it.

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Speaker 1: It's nice and Crispin Glean that's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm thankful to you today because now that I

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Speaker 1: know you're not going to be making this dish, but

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Speaker 1: showing us how to make it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wear because we don't have a grill and we

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Speaker 3: don't have oven. But what you will see is you'll

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Speaker 3: see the marinade. And I think we had another. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'll take this plate or something and i'll take the

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Speaker 3: chicken off, and then you can see how much marinad

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Speaker 3: you have and how easy it is to cook it.

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Speaker 3: But to ask your question, I'm gonna talk and cook. Right,

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Speaker 3: So I'm a season my chicken first, uh, And I'm

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Speaker 2: A little olive oil here.

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Speaker 3: And I don't do like choice teaspools feet and I

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Speaker 3: don't cook like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're a real cook.

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Speaker 2: I'm an eye cooker. I cook. I cook like this.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna shake little little gratulated garland.

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Speaker 2: You did that gradulated? This is garlic property. This is good.

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Speaker 2: A little grands. I'm gonna have real garlic.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference between granulated?

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Speaker 3: I like the gradulated because it's like fine, it's kind

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Speaker 3: of like sandy, like sand. The guylic garlic powder. Some

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Speaker 3: garlic powder is like power, real powder.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's just me. I don't that's just me, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I was it.

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Speaker 2: I was We didn't guys in.

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Speaker 3: The open this to open app and make sure this

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Speaker 3: one is. It's just one over Okay, this one is

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonnadd a little pepper.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I think this is open?

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Speaker 2: Is it open? Okay? There we go here. Just don't

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Speaker 2: don't waste that dumping in there. There you go. I

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Speaker 2: love the little salt.

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Speaker 1: I love how you just did that He was like,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna waste this.

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Speaker 2: Don't waste nothing.

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Speaker 1: I need little charioche. Oh you don't dump the whole thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: no little charioche. And we're gonna mix it garlic, pepper, salt.

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Speaker 3: Really really like I would really go through this and

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Speaker 3: make sure everything is really season That's how I do, right,

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Speaker 2: Everything's on there.

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Speaker 1: And the olive oil just helps everything.

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Speaker 2: It's just like a Lubri kid, you know. So you

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Speaker 3: And I like the cook with gloves just I'm because

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of fastidious and I don't like cook with

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Speaker 3: other one, the Latex.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, like the little black ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so not in here. I'm gonna add garlic. Now

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Speaker 3: you said how much for this?

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Speaker 2: Uh? This is good.

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Speaker 3: I think I like garlic, but I mean I'm probably

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Speaker 1: I think there's more I know here.

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Speaker 2: You want to open it up for me? Is it okay?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna pretend like I made this barenade myself

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Speaker 2: Like this is good because it's not a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: But I like garlic too. So that's the thing. So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, garlic, it's like at least ten clothes of garlic.

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Speaker 3: Now I would have used she got pickled alipans, which

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Speaker 2: I would have used a real hala pano. Oh, but

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Speaker 3: But when you can always use fresh ingredients, okay, and

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Speaker 1: How do you know if that's pickles? Does it say

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Speaker 2: Because it's in a jar?

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Speaker 3: That old Yeah, We've been in the produce section, the

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Speaker 3: little green things, and one is probably a plenty. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so because this is probably not as hot, so but

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Speaker 3: this is the kicker rooney right here. This is apricot jelly.

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Speaker 3: So what you're doing is you're adding a garlic ea

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Speaker 3: it's like as you eat it, you taste like garlic,

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Speaker 3: men and kids like this, and you can make it

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Speaker 3: because the kids will eat it, right, but just a

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Speaker 3: little garlic maybe and maybe not a much hallowpeeno if

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Speaker 2: But I like this as an.

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Speaker 3: Alternative for chicken for dinner parties because everybody eats grilled

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Speaker 3: chicken and everybody eats all that stuff, right, So for

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Speaker 3: you know, we do like three proteins. I usually have

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Speaker 3: I like to do this because I'll give a hell

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Speaker 3: of a dinner party. So anyway, so now I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: take some of this apricot jelly jeans is apricot jelly,

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Speaker 3: and let's see if I'm successful with this.

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Speaker 1: But wait, you're not gonna add anything else to it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put up bit more tarioca in it, but

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Speaker 2: To see where it goes first. And you can use

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Speaker 3: Mean, because it's got our oil is all done. You

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Speaker 1: You and these dinner parties. I don't think I've ever

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Speaker 3: it's time to grill. Well, like I said.

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Speaker 2: How much Marionnate you have and then you chase that.

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Speaker 3: Right. It's definitely better when you marinated overnight, or at

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Speaker 3: Definitely, try to have that marinate as long as you can,

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I love how you're cleaning up too.

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Speaker 3: I always got clean clean up after yourself immediately when

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Speaker 3: Like, if I was at home, I'd be washing all

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Speaker 4: It now, And now I can sit down and tell

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Speaker 3: You don't want to know what I ate when I

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Speaker 3: I got a meal that day, and I ate oat meal.

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Speaker 3: And then when I got money, then I started cookie.

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Speaker 2: But I would get the.

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Speaker 2: Actually, my my diet.

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Speaker 3: Like? What was that where you had to get you

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Speaker 2: A job first.

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Speaker 2: And then I was working at the cellar because I

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Speaker 3: But that had nothing to do with my career, although

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Speaker 3: For the people that live in New York that listen

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Speaker 3: to you, they might recall a commercial called, oh die hand,

450
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,920
Speaker 3: it's about it's a hairwave commercial. Now, this was when

451
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Speaker 3: hair weeds, I mean when they just came out. So

452
00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,760
Speaker 3: it was horrible, the hair he was horrible, and it

453
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,000
Speaker 3: was this salon. Matter of fact, I had to call

454
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Speaker 3: them years later and say cease and dismiss because they

455
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Speaker 3: were still trying to use the old Diane hair commercial.

456
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Speaker 3: When I was Vanessa Bell and then after I became

457
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Speaker 3: Vanessa Bell Callaway and famous, they were.

458
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Speaker 2: Trying to use it, so that's another story.

459
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Speaker 3: And I told him to stop because that was like

460
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Speaker 3: a thousand years prior and I didn't sign it for that.

461
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Speaker 3: Vanessa Bell Collwich did not sign that, okay, you know,

462
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Speaker 3: and they only had that for however long they had it.

463
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Speaker 2: They tried it, but you know, they stopped. I had

464
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Speaker 2: the lawyer stop.

465
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Speaker 3: But anyway, so I got my first commercial out of there,

466
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Speaker 3: and then I also did some dance concert out of there.

467
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Speaker 3: I met George face On and he put me in

468
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Speaker 3: this uh a concert that he did with his.

469
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Speaker 2: Company, so it served his purpose.

470
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Speaker 3: And then I had to I left the seller obviously

471
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Speaker 3: because I started to work.

472
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Speaker 2: I got my first.

473
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Speaker 3: Summer stock job, which allowed me to get my equity card.

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Speaker 2: You know, equity is theater.

475
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And what's summer stock means?

476
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Speaker 3: Summer stock is you know, you do theater around the country,

477
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Speaker 3: like in these different theaters that have plays during the summer.

478
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Speaker 3: You know, theater is really big, especially like in those

479
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Speaker 3: small towns. Summerstock that's what people do. They go see

480
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Speaker 3: the theater. And the very first show I did was

481
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Speaker 3: The Whiz, a summerstock and we were in somewhere in Ohio,

482
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Speaker 3: like and I'm from Ohio, but we were in like

483
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Speaker 3: the small small towns in a while, and so I

484
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Speaker 3: got my equity card that way. Then I ended up

485
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Speaker 3: getting my SAG card, which is like for commercials, because

486
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Speaker 3: that I used to do a lot of commercials and

487
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 3: started doing a lot of commercials in New York. And

488
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Speaker 3: you get your after card, which is voiceovers and stuff.

489
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Speaker 3: Now it's SAG after, but back then it was SAG

490
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Speaker 3: and after they.

491
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,960
Speaker 1: Were shy, were separate, Okay, So.

492
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Speaker 3: I had equity first, then I got sacked and I

493
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Speaker 3: got after. And once you get into the unions, it

494
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Speaker 3: makes your life a little easier because then you're able to,

495
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Speaker 3: you know, audition for things, and they're able to hire

496
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Speaker 3: you because you're already in the union. So that held

497
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Speaker 3: a great deal. And then I started doing soap operas,

498
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Speaker 3: which was huge. No, no, take that back. I went

499
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Speaker 3: on Broadway first. I did a couple of Broadway shows

500
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Speaker 3: and off Broadway shows. So you know, the thing is,

501
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Speaker 3: you said, the next thing, the next thing is just

502
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Speaker 3: getting a job, And when you get a job, you

503
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 3: gotta get that next job?

504
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Speaker 2: You got a job? What's that next one?

505
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Speaker 1: And then but then you when do you so once

506
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Speaker 1: you got your first what did you say?

507
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Speaker 2: What did you call it? Shock? What did you say

508
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Speaker 2: it was called?

509
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Speaker 1: When summerstock summers.

510
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Speaker 3: That was like the very first thing I got like

511
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Speaker 3: this because I got there like in the summer, and

512
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 3: then that following summer because I had been there like working,

513
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 3: you know, in auditioning for almost a year. Then I

514
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Speaker 3: got Summer Stock and I was able to get mine.

515
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Speaker 1: And that's when you officially Was that when you officially

516
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 1: stopped working day jobs?

517
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Speaker 3: Kind of yeah, kind of, well, kind because I stopped

518
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Speaker 3: working because I got of the jobs at other small

519
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,960
Speaker 3: companies because I ended up leaving Alvin Ailey and then

520
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: I started, you know, then I was going to go

521
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Speaker 3: away on tour with this company for the summer. So yeah,

522
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 3: and after that I was able to support myself only

523
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Speaker 3: with jobs I didn't have to do.

524
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Speaker 2: I did no more waitressing or anything like that. Wow,

525
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Speaker 2: I just yeah, I did. That was the only thing.

526
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Speaker 3: I did waitress for a little bit when I first

527
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Speaker 3: got to New York. And I've never had to do

528
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Speaker 3: anything else to take care of myself.

529
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Speaker 1: Now, were there ever like what I call like lean seasons,

530
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Speaker 1: like where you were like you had to budget according

531
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Speaker 1: or you lived within certain of course.

532
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Speaker 3: It's always you know, lean seasons. And I was I

533
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: was by myself.

534
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Speaker 2: I'm single.

535
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Speaker 1: And what were your parents saying during all this because

536
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: you were a young luck good luck? Were they in

537
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Speaker 1: support them?

538
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

539
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 3: They were, but you know, I'm from Ohio and I

540
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: got no money in Ohio.

541
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Speaker 2: They couldn't afford it, you know.

542
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Speaker 3: I always, like I used to tell everybody that, especially

543
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Speaker 3: I tell my daughters.

544
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Speaker 2: I didn't have.

545
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Speaker 3: ANESS in Tony for parents like my kids, you know,

546
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Speaker 3: they move away somewhere and they're set.

547
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Speaker 2: Like my daughter moved to New.

548
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Speaker 3: York four years after she graduated from spelling, My youngest one,

549
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: she was set. We got our apartment, she hooked up out.

550
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Speaker 3: You don't got the apartment hooked up for I didn't

551
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 3: have ANESS in Tony. I was very much on my own.

552
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Speaker 3: I had a mask.

553
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Speaker 1: Because you guys still pay, Like were you paying her

554
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Speaker 1: bills for those four years?

555
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Speaker 3: We took care of her apartment because she was right

556
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Speaker 3: out of college.

557
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Speaker 1: I know, to be on the Vanessa and TONI you said,

558
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Speaker 1: Vanessa TONI plan, yeah, shout out.

559
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 2: She was working, you know, we we were helping her out.

560
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Speaker 3: But I had a mattress and a dresser was on

561
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Speaker 3: the no and eating I'm telling you a match and

562
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Speaker 3: a dresser eating oatmeal and yogurt and fruit.

563
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Speaker 2: I just stay full. Yeah.

564
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Speaker 1: And I was in class all day too. So you

565
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Speaker 1: were just focused, you weren't. You weren't minding none of that.

566
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just you know.

567
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Speaker 3: I didn't go all you know, I didn't go out

568
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Speaker 3: like the way I party and hang.

569
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Speaker 2: Out and go to dinners. Now.

570
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Speaker 3: Never did that in New York. I didn't people do it,

571
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 3: but I didn't, you know, the money I had I

572
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: had to save, you know. Yeah, but I was But

573
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Speaker 3: I was smart because what I did, especially when I

574
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Speaker 3: got on all my children, if I did while I

575
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Speaker 3: was on Broadway. There's a thing called the credit union, right,

576
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Speaker 3: So what I would have the credit union do, and

577
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: you got paid every week, I would have them take

578
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Speaker 3: out some of my money and keep it, and that

579
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Speaker 3: I would live off of the money that I litted myself.

580
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: And you always got one of your checks, one of

581
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: your pay check should always pay your rent, at least

582
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Speaker 3: one of them, if not one and a half of

583
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 3: the next one. But if you can have one paycheck, really,

584
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Speaker 3: they'll tell you one paycheck out of the month should

585
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Speaker 3: pay your rent.

586
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Speaker 2: So I adapted that.

587
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: Theory, so i'd have I looked at my rent and

588
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 3: I said, okay, my money and said, okay, this this

589
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: is enough for my bill money, this is how much

590
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: I need to live, and then this can be put away.

591
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Speaker 1: So and you started that young, I started that young.

592
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Speaker 3: So in doing that, then when I got to all

593
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Speaker 3: my children, and I was making more money than I

594
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: was making my brother because I was in the original

595
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: company of dream Girls. And when I tell you I

596
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: made like five hundred and seventy five, I'll never get it.

597
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: I made five hundred seventy five dollars a week, wow,

598
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: which is not nothing? Which is nothing then eight so

599
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: that's like almost two thousand dollars a month, right, But

600
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: like I said, that was the eighties.

601
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

602
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Speaker 3: But then when I got on all my children, I

603
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 3: was making like five something an episode, and then sometimes

604
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Speaker 3: I would work three episodes.

605
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Speaker 2: It depends.

606
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Speaker 3: I would work sometimes, you know, soap o interesting. You

607
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: could work one day that week, you could work five

608
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: days that we depends on your storyline, But I was

609
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: having all my money go to the credit union. So

610
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: when I left to come out here from New York.

611
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: When I finally left New York to move out here,

612
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: I had so much money saved up.

613
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: But did you ever check those balances to see what

614
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: was in there?

615
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

616
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: Okay?

617
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Speaker 1: And then to backtrack the soap operas, because I'm always

618
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Speaker 1: curious about this. Is it true that they like, have

619
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Speaker 1: you like memorized your lines every day and the next

620
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Speaker 1: day you have to like record them?

621
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Speaker 2: No?

622
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: No, no, you're good day that day, so you get

623
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Speaker 1: it that day.

624
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give you a life of a soap opera.

625
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 3: When I was in the storyline with Debbie Morgan and

626
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Speaker 3: Darnell Williams and we were very popular. Let's say I

627
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: worked four days that week. I might work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday.

628
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: Let's just say that. So Monday we come and you

629
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Speaker 3: do what they call the prolog. You get there like

630
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Speaker 3: seven o'clock in the morning and you start blocking everything.

631
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Speaker 3: So you could be anywhere from like the prolog, and

632
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: you could be at one, two, three. There's usually six acts,

633
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 3: five and six. Maybe there's only one segment. You're not

634
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Speaker 3: in or two segments. So you're blocking that in the

635
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 3: morning and then you go hair and makeup and then

636
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: you block and shoot. So then you go out to

637
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: the student to the set and you actually run it

638
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: and shoot it. So you got to know those lines

639
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: by then. But now you're on the next day as well.

640
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, so you've got to take that's a

641
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 1: lot us.

642
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: You got to take the script from now it's that stress.

643
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: It's just you know, you got a memory.

644
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now you got to take the script.

645
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: So now you shooting Monday, but you gotta you start

646
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: working on Tuesday script because you've got to be in

647
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Speaker 3: a lot of scenes the next day.

648
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Speaker 2: So you got to learn that.

649
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: So it's just it's just it becomes a habit. You

650
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 3: learn how to do it, and it becomes easier than

651
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: you think, you know, because it's a technique to how

652
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: you do all that stuff.

653
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, were there any like but was there a

654
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Speaker 1: pressure like if you messed up your lines? Were they

655
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: like anal abowel?

656
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: No, soap barbers, they are not anal If you if

657
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 3: you wanted a chance to redo something, you had to

658
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: really mess up, because I mean, in a way, it's

659
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Speaker 3: kind of like they let real life happen. So like

660
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Speaker 3: when we're having a conversation here, if you go and

661
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: you stumbled, that's that's kind of natural, right, yeah, right,

662
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: Well if it has to be horrific for the soap

663
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: operas to say cut, do that again, because if we're

664
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Speaker 3: talking and I said, yeah.

665
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Speaker 1: Girl, they gonna keep going okay, okay, you know, because

666
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Speaker 1: it's like, what was your thoughts when you landed your

667
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: soap opera though? Like, what was that? Can you take

668
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: me back to that moment where you're like, oh.

669
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Speaker 3: Well, visualized being on all my children when I tell

670
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Speaker 3: you so much. I saw it in my dreams. I

671
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna happen. I manifested it, and I

672
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: used to send them stuff every month like, hey, I'm

673
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in this, I'm in that, sending pictures

674
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: of me, you know, just reminding them by who I was.

675
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 3: So I was determined to get on that show, and

676
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: I just when it happened. I wasn't surprised because I

677
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: knew the mental energy that I put into it, but

678
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: I was delighted and I was determined that that was

679
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: gonna work.

680
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: So you for it, Oh no, you put it that work.

681
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: No, I'll put that work in for that.

682
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a like, I mean I had.

683
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: An audition, but you got to get to the point

684
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: where they called you into audition.

685
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the art, and you were putting in net

686
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: work for that call.

687
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I put in that work.

688
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: I stayed in touch with the casting people and I

689
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: used to send them stuff like every week.

690
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Wow, is that now for the rest of your career?

691
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Was it that difficult or or did you always difficult?

692
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's never easy and just go oh, when

693
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: did you make it? Nobody's ever made it. Even the

694
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: people who who've made it, they're still trying to get

695
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: the next level of something, whatever that is for them.

696
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: So it's always difficult, you know.

697
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Do you well even hearing that, do you are there

698
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: people or have you faced that point where you're like,

699
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where maybe things have slowed

700
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: down to the point where you're like, oh.

701
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: No, no, it's because it's a different time and I'm

702
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: a different age, different category, a different everything. It actually

703
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: has been very good, you know, because there's more programming,

704
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: there's more stations, there's more shows because you know, all

705
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: the streaming and you know, Back in the day there

706
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: was NBCCBS and ABC that was it Fox, and those

707
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: guys hadn't even been created yet when I haven't.

708
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Got out of college and started.

709
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: So the competition was very difficult, and they weren't working.

710
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Black girls weren't working.

711
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's only like a handful of

712
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: them that keep getting the same.

713
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: They sanctioned a few, and if you wasn't in that list,

714
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: I don't care how good you work.

715
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: It was difficult.

716
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: It's in a sense a little bit easier now, not

717
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: as easy as it should be, not as vast as

718
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: it should be.

719
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Because there's more. You know, if I were the.

720
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: Age I was back then at the time, this time

721
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: right now, oh, I'd be killing it.

722
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: You think. So, I do think it's harder because of

723
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: the stream I got more options.

724
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there's more if.

725
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: But is the pay still the same like with streaming services,

726
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: because I've seen something, Well.

727
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm not really addressing the pay because the pay is

728
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: everything is negotiable. There's no contract that's the same. So

729
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: that's really depending on who you are, your value, and

730
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: who negotiates for you. So that's that's a different topic.

731
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the opportunities because when I was right

732
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: out of college, it was very difficult.

733
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: You know. I was able to do a lot of commercials.

734
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: I was able to do Broadway and off Broadway.

735
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: I finally got into soap operas, but it was hard

736
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 3: because they weren't letting black girls work, not the way

737
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: you see all these little.

738
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: Black girls working now. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

739
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: If I if I had the talents I had then

740
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: and I was, you know, submerged in this market, now,

741
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: who knows what would happen?

742
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: You know?

743
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: Now is there more competition, Yes, but there's a lot

744
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: more opportunities because back then it's like it was hard,

745
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: you know, because you just didn't they sanctioned two or

746
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: three people to be the.

747
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: Female stars.

748
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like I felt like for a long

749
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: time it was like only the light skinned and then

750
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: now definitely now it's definitely taking turns.

751
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, you know that people.

752
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: It's more recently than now.

753
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: I think that it still hasn't changed. It still is now.

754
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: It still is. But I feel like after Wakanda, you

755
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: started to see and it literally means.

756
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say all that, but it's still it's hard

757
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: to do that. I mean, I look at commercials, look

758
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: at commercials, and now we're getting on the subject. I

759
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: don't know we're digressing, but I look at commercial and

760
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 3: it's I'm not you know, trust me. I love all

761
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: my sisters. We are all beautiful. I love my brother.

762
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying it's to be condescending or anything

763
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: to anybody or there because we can't help the color

764
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 3: we are.

765
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: Who are mom and daddy was how we came out.

766
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: We can't have that. But it's just interested to me.

767
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: Every time I look at these commercials, it's a dark

768
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: skinned brother with a light skinned woman the wife. It

769
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: always is now and then you'll see a dark skinned

770
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: sister with a dark skinned brother. But it's like, what

771
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: is this formula that they think they have to use?

772
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I think right now that everyone's trying to play it's

773
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: almost like too I hate to say it too too fair,

774
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: Like everything has to be like we have to have

775
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: one for each category race. It doesn't matter if someone's

776
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: super to it or not. I feel like every network

777
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: plays it super safe and growing up, I'm mixed. But

778
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: growing up I used to hate that I didn't see mixed. Ever,

779
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I never saw mixed relationships growing up. Now, it's like,

780
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: now all you do is see everything.

781
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: Back then, they would never have a black man with

782
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: a white woman. Okay, so it's kind of like a

783
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: give and take. A lot of things have grown and progressed,

784
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: and a lot of things are like, okay, y'all staying

785
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: there a little too long?

786
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: Can we yeah?

787
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, y'all stayed I mean, we

788
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: get that, and it's cool and that's right, and it's

789
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: good to show that, but can we show some of

790
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: this other stuff over here? But you know, it's gonna

791
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: take time for everything. But no, I think that now.

792
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: I worked so much now, I mean, I mean, I've

793
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: been blessed. I've worked my whole career, even when it

794
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: was difficult to get a.

795
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Lot of stuff.

796
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: We talked some of your credits.

797
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: I tell you some.

798
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: Of those years it was difficult to get stuff, but

799
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 3: I just stayed in it. And I've always taken care

800
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: of myself and I think that happens and I've always

801
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: and I'm very professional and that definitely helps.

802
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: And so so.

803
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: I mean I'm good. It's you know, I constantly work.

804
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: Now you know, I'm starting in shows. I got my

805
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: black Hampton Show, going back on Vince Staples Show. You know,

806
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: I just got off a Broadway six months doing Parley

807
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: in New York, so you know.

808
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: A lot of things, a lot of I got a

809
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: couple of movies coming out, So you know, do you

810
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: still have to audition?

811
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

812
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately do you do?

813
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: You hate it when I.

814
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: Hate auditioning, hate it with the passion. But you know,

815
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: it's like some people call me and say, hey, Vanessa,

816
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: do this, and then some people say, you.

817
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Know, we need to see her, We just need to

818
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: see her do this.

819
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: So then you you're your foot with the task of

820
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, your eagle could get ahead of you and

821
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: go like.

822
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: Y'ah, yeah, just over to me now.

823
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: But if it's a part you really want, it was

824
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: a good part, do you say flip them off or

825
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: do you say okay, okay.

826
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: What role do you think, in particular change the trajectory

827
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: of your career.

828
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: Do you feel I think that I don't think it's

829
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: one role. I think that it's just was timing with

830
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: several roles. But of course, if you say it was

831
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: one of the most memorable that people love is coming

832
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: to America, ones love got to do with it you know.

833
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: But but but that didn't change my career like you

834
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: would think, Yeah, that's the same. I'm gonna just give

835
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: you an example. That same year, Meg Ryan was in

836
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: was it Officer and Gentlemen? Which one was that she

837
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: was a friend with Anthony Edwards? It was either top

838
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: with one top gun, so it must have been off anyway.

839
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: She was in one of them movies with Tom Cruise.

840
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: She played the girlfriend, and Paramount released my move and

841
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: released her movie.

842
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: They made her a star. I didn't get a job

843
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: after that.

844
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: People talked about me like, oh my god, you're so beautiful.

845
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: They called me in and had like this little general

846
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: meeting with a bunch of people just to say they

847
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: did and gave me nothing else after that they made

848
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: her a movie star. But you're talking about nineteen eighty

849
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: and nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, that time. But that's my point,

850
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: exactly what I'm saying about before you're talk about nineteen

851
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: eighty nine.

852
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: So I just see what you're saying. I think that

853
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: there is so many roles that you play world.

854
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: I think now that.

855
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Role would really really like if I did that role

856
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: now the age I was then, it probably would have

857
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: spun off to a whole lot of things. Yeah, but

858
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: I'm grateful. You know, your journey is your journey. My

859
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: trajectory is my trajectory. It is what it is. I

860
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: am who I am because of all those things. And

861
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: guess what, you can't go back change it, So you

862
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: might as well just moving forward and be appreciative to

863
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: what you had, right.

864
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love to hear that you work for

865
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: I think that in today's age, everyone thinks it's just

866
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: like you get this one big role and then that's it.

867
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: You don't have to audition, you don't have to try out,

868
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to network. Do you still network?

869
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: Of course I do.

870
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: You do.

871
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: I go to thing I go to in the order

872
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: you get the unless you want to be bothered. But

873
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: I get up and I go to things I should

874
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: go to so I could see people that I need

875
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: to see to say, reconnect, because it's not that people

876
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: don't like you.

877
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: They if they don't see, they don't think about you.

878
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: So if you stay in the house and stay out

879
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 3: of you know, the public, then people forget about you.

880
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: But not to me.

881
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 3: That you got to be like miss thing and everything

882
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: in the open of an envelope. But some things you

883
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: need to attend if you can, so you can hobnob

884
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: and rub elbows and hey, good to see.

885
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 2: You know. Some people go you know what.

886
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I had a guest say on one of

887
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: our episodes that she would just do at least thirty

888
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: minutes to forty five minutes. She didn't just go do

889
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: her time, and then you know, get out.

890
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: But I don't go to everything.

891
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: I go to things either i'm invited for that I

892
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: want to be bothered with, you know, or things that

893
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: I know would benefit me, or things that I'm affiliating

894
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: with because maybe it's a you know, a cast party

895
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: or a screening or something like that. But I definitely

896
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: get out as much as I can because it's important.

897
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: And then for you, you have a team. I know

898
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: because I had to go through your team. Is it

899
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I think I saw like Taraji or someone talk about

900
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: like all the different members on our team.

901
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 3: Do you have a small team. I have a very

902
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: small team right now. It's just being my manager, to

903
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: be quite honest with you, because of some other developments.

904
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: But no, I you know, I don't. I don't need

905
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: all those people to speak for me. You know, you

906
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: need a good publicist, and you need a good manager

907
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 3: who negotiates, and you know, sometimes if you need a lawyer.

908
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: But I don't have like a lot of people.

909
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: You know, do you have a team.

910
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Do you usually have a publicist every time you have

911
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: a project come out or do you just keep a

912
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: publicist all year?

913
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: Wrong, I'm both. I've done both.

914
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: I've done both because technically, when you got a project

915
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: coming out, if the publicist for the project is doing

916
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 3: their job properly, you shouldn't have to have your own

917
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: publicists because they should be working for you know, not

918
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: only the project, but getting you plugged in as well.

919
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: That does it always work? Absolutely not. Sometimes you have

920
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: to get your own publicists because they're focused on save

921
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: your number three on.

922
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: The call sheet or number two on the caution.

923
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're so focused on number one they're not paying

924
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: attention to you. So then that's when you Sometimes you

925
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: have to get your own publicists so that you could

926
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: get per on the same project.

927
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Now, when they do it for you, like say it's

928
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: a movie or a show and the publicist comes along,

929
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: this is just a me question. By the way, do

930
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: you get to select what media when they say, okay,

931
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: here's do they present all the media to you. Because

932
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of.

933
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: Polic I'm like, I'll tell you this, like when shows

934
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: come out and I ask who are they? Who's that podcast?

935
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, and everybody got a podcast now.

936
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: But that don't mean I gotta be on everybody's podcast

937
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: because I'm up in your podcast. You're really not doing

938
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: nothing for me, and we're not really promoting the show

939
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 3: for your two thousand viewers.

940
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: By the way, we're very thankful that you're.

941
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: You know, but I'm not saying you, but I'm just

942
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: saying I get it. You look at it like that.

943
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: It's like I'm enhancing your show. You're really not up

944
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: in my value of anything. So yeah, you have to

945
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: look at that and go like, and I'll say, you

946
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: give one of the other cast members to do that.

947
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm not doing these shows.

948
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: You really, Oh yeah, but they at least present everything present.

949
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: I'll do that.

950
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: You know that, what's this one? I'll do the big ones.

951
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: But all those thousand podcasts that start requesting you no, no, no.

952
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Well hey, that makes us more appreciative, That makes it more.

953
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: Always have a personal connection to it, or it's a

954
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: really good one, but everybody's got a podcast in their

955
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: garage somewhere, and it's like they're happy to give you.

956
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: And they got two thousand viewer listeners. You know what

957
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's like, that's that's me doing you a favor.

958
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: So when they have a project, you know, they were like,

959
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: we got to promote the show, I'll be like, get

960
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: one of the other cast members.

961
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.

962
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Okay, but at least they represent all of them to you,

963
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: so you could cherry pick.

964
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: Well they do.

965
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: And sometimes they'll they I'll say this, they present what

966
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: they want to present to me. Yes, sometimes they will

967
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: veto it before it even gets to me, like, yeah,

968
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: we're not doing that.

969
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen posts do this. Yes, I'll be like, no,

970
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not gonna even bring that to

971
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: the cast. You know, you know this is a sidebarn.

972
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: But I could still taste some of the garlic in

973
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: that marm.

974
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: You taste it, I'm still tasting it too.

975
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: I literally could take it good.

976
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: Imagine that marinate and overnight.

977
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I could literally the audience what I told

978
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: her real quick.

979
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: So she doesn't have a grill, so I suggest that

980
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: she gets one of her cooking sheets. Line it with foil,

981
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: shake all the stuff off, like I said, lay it flat,

982
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty, three hundred and fifty, but watch

983
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: it because you don't want to get too dry, right,

984
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: flip it. I would say, like, that's chicken thighs and

985
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: breast on the breast.

986
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I hate.

987
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: Chicken breast by the way, I do too. I love it.

988
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: I love dark.

989
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: But anyway, just look at it and if one's done,

990
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: take it out, you know, let the others cook, but

991
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: just bake it and then still cook the marinad and

992
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 3: pour it on top.

993
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: It'll still worked out.

994
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 1: And you could do that with rice, vegetabat rice, whatever

995
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: you want. I feel like that would be great on

996
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: a salad too. That would be on a salad, right,

997
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: have you done it?

998
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Though not on the salad, I have not see.

999
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 5: I just talked to something, you know, you know, invite

1000
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: as usually I have like a lot of baronade because

1001
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 5: I'll make more marinate and cook it and then the

1002
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 5: chicken's on the platter and the marinate's all on it.

1003
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: So you really get that merit, you really get that.

1004
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I love that.

1005
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: But that would be great with rice though I think too.

1006
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, see I had the right ready, I had the

1007
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: rice ready.

1008
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: But I just want to share that with you guys

1009
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: about how to do it if you didn't have a grilp.

1010
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: But go ahead, what advice do you would you get

1011
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: to aspiring actresses and people trying to entertain and get

1012
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: into the entertainment business.

1013
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: I get asked this question quite a bit, and there's

1014
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 3: several things I always say. First of all, you got

1015
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: to be You got to study. You know, I don't

1016
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: care how cute you are. You just don't walk off

1017
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: the street and become a good actress. It just and

1018
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: you could have a natural flair for it. You know,

1019
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: not everybody's born an actress. You know you gotta work

1020
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: to it. But you don't think that you could just

1021
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: be you and just yeah, don't work that way. You

1022
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: gotta study. But the main thing I tell people stay ready,

1023
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: to be ready? Now what does that mean? It means

1024
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: different things to different people. You don't like your teeth,

1025
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: maybe you feel like you're about ten pounds over weight,

1026
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: you need to get something fixed on your face or

1027
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: your your hair cut is not whatever that.

1028
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: Means to you, do it?

1029
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 3: Get it ready, because if you get an oper If

1030
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 3: somebody calls you on Friday, they want you there on Monday,

1031
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: You're not gonna lose that ten pounds over the weekend.

1032
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to get your teeth fixed

1033
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: over there. You know what I'm saying.

1034
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: It's like, so stay ready to be ready, and then

1035
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: also me spiritually, mentally and with your craft, you know,

1036
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: study so because sometimes that door opened this big and

1037
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: if you could either bust it open and you could

1038
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: fizz out andy be like this yel connext, or you

1039
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: bust it out and you kill it.

1040
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: But sometimes when that door's open, just to.

1041
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Crack, you got to be ready to go in. You

1042
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: don't have time to get ready.

1043
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: That's great advice. What made you put on the director

1044
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: and producer hat?

1045
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: It was a natural progression, you know, And actually I

1046
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: realized I've been.

1047
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: Directed for years.

1048
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 3: One of the very things, very first thing that director

1049
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: was a music video in the eighties, when the late eighties,

1050
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: eighties min eighties, when I was doing dream Girls. One

1051
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: of the singers she had released the songs she was

1052
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 3: turning to an album, and I directed her music video.

1053
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: This is when music videos first came out.

1054
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and I recently.

1055
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: Ran across it and it actually wasn't that bad. I

1056
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: was cracking up. But I choreographed it and I directed it.

1057
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: Oh you did both? Yeah, wow, yeah wow.

1058
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: So I've been, you know, doing it for a while,

1059
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: you know, you realize. And also I used to choreograph

1060
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: all the stuff in high school, all the big plays

1061
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: in high school, I choreographed, like junior my senior year,

1062
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: the spring musicals, I was the choreographer. And then I

1063
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: was on the drill team and me and my girlfriend

1064
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: used to choreograph all the routines. So I've been doing

1065
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: this for years, you know. And that's why, you know,

1066
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: young kids went they're doing stuff like this, don't take

1067
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: it for granted, because what you're doing is you're training.

1068
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: Yourself for later on. Yeah, it really is.

1069
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: And then I directed like little podcasts, little you know,

1070
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: the web web series and stuff.

1071
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: And then I went on from there.

1072
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I started directing episodic and TV emil movies and so yes,

1073
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: I just I've been doing it for a while, and

1074
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: it was just a natural progression because I'm in front

1075
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: of the camera so much and people.

1076
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Say, oh, I don't know if I could direct that.

1077
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: See be surprised. You know more than you think you

1078
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: know because you've been in the business. If you have

1079
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: been in the business for a long time, and if

1080
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: you have been in front of the camera, you have

1081
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: absorbed so much. You know more than you think you know,

1082
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: you know, and so when you get behind the camera,

1083
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: it's just kind of awfuls into place and producing.

1084
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: I love.

1085
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: Producing is nothing other than just putting all the little

1086
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 3: pieces together, the people together, getting everything flowing, getting everything done.

1087
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, does a producer always have to cut the

1088
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: check though, or do you go out and raise.

1089
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: Well, depends. When you're a one man show, you're the

1090
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: producer's cut the check, raising campble doing the schedule. Yeah, exactly,

1091
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: hire the people.

1092
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: It just depends. You know.

1093
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: I've been a one man show a lot, so I've done.

1094
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: But when I work for networks and I do TV movies, no,

1095
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm a director. I get producer credit because

1096
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: I also, you know, have a lot of saying of

1097
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: the elements that go into the filming to the movie.

1098
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: But I don't do all the work.

1099
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: Because those people they've hire people to do off those

1100
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: line producers.

1101
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: And is that something you also negotiating your contracts, like

1102
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: I want to produce a credit definitely most does that

1103
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: help you on the back end, though, when you get

1104
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: a producer.

1105
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: It does because you get producer credit. You get done

1106
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: on the credit, but you get paid as.

1107
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: A producer, okay, in addition to.

1108
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: Addition to acting.

1109
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: And then also you know, you got production credit. Then

1110
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: once you get that set up, when you get other projects,

1111
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: it's kind of like your norm. They have to respect

1112
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: that she's going to be a producer on this as well,

1113
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: because that's just what she does, Okay.

1114
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: And then I but you're not writing though.

1115
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: I don't really.

1116
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I write privately, but I'm not like, yeah,

1117
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: but that's not to say it won't happen.

1118
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: But I do write.

1119
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna happen in your future, your creative.

1120
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: It needs to.

1121
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: And I need to get off my ass and get

1122
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: some stuff finished, so that too.

1123
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm hopefully we'll see you in the

1124
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: podcast space you did.

1125
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: George, I already did.

1126
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: I had episodes you gotta go, you gotta here go

1127
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: do you go to h in the Company of Friends

1128
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: dot tv And you can see my uh my wepisode

1129
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: that I did, my web series that I did this

1130
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: called In the Company of Friends and it's a dinner

1131
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: party show. I did that, and then I also did

1132
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: that So Very Fanessa, which was a podcast, and I

1133
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: did one hundred episodes from Debbie Allen to the Toy

1134
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 3: to who else?

1135
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Who?

1136
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: Did you guys want to see those episodes?

1137
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

1138
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: My god?

1139
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Every who else?

1140
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean so many people, NFL people for super Bowl people,

1141
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 3: all kind of stars.

1142
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: I can't even think.

1143
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: And you you produced that show, and I produced that

1144
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: show and directed that, booked.

1145
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: The talent and did the interviews.

1146
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: I think it's time to re release a hundred of

1147
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: them I did. Yeah, that's a lot of work.

1148
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: That's a lot of work in my own web series

1149
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: I did, I did, I had, I had my husband

1150
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: doing craft service child.

1151
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's hilarious, hilarious, hilarious, hilarious. How did you

1152
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: find mother being a mother, actress, director, producer, Like, what

1153
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: was the hardest part of those jobs? In juggling it?

1154
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: You very supportive, you know, And and that's the only

1155
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: reason I could do it, because he took on some

1156
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: of the and he was always encouraging do it, do it.

1157
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: So the kids were smaller and I'm running around here.

1158
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: Doing podcasts and web series and acting and and then

1159
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: you know, because if you're not busy, super busy, then

1160
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: you fill your life up with that and that that

1161
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: becomes your project for that moment, so you keep your

1162
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: creative juices flowing and you keep everything out there. I

1163
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: actually got distribution for that web series. I actually got that,

1164
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: got a little bit of money for that. But I

1165
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: just did it, and I was I was one of

1166
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: the lucky ones because I had my might, moved my

1167
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: mother here, my husband, so I had people that can help.

1168
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: Me get a little village village.

1169
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: And people that I was one of the lucky ones.

1170
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: What's like, would you say is the downside to the

1171
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: industry If you had to say.

1172
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: There's a lot of downsides.

1173
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: But I still think that the equality is not quite

1174
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: where it should be.

1175
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: Between male and female or races.

1176
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's several. It's racists male and female,

1177
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: and agism is horrible. Agis agism is horrible in our industry.

1178
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: Nobody talks about that.

1179
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah you would, But I see the way I look

1180
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: at acting, and I'm definitely naive, guys, because I don't

1181
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: know that much about it. But I always assumed it's

1182
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: like they cast for a certain look and feel you.

1183
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you a person you're looking, but the

1184
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: thing is extremely young.

1185
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: They you know, they're always they've gotten a little bit better,

1186
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: but they always only want young projects. So it's kind

1187
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: of like when people get just like, what are we

1188
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: supposed to go out the pasture and die? You know,

1189
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: when women get in our in our fifties or so,

1190
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: you know, they now it's a little better. They are

1191
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: hiring older women. You know, look at somebody like Glenn

1192
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: Close was still killing it. But that's that's not always

1193
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: a normal.

1194
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: So say someone like you, are they looking at okay,

1195
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: this is your age, or they look at you because

1196
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: you look I'm feel.

1197
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: They look at you.

1198
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes they look at the they look at me to say,

1199
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: oh she could play that although technically on paper she's older,

1200
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: but she looks like she could be that woman.

1201
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Okay, they are doing it, and then they'll say, oh.

1202
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: She's the right age for the character because her characters

1203
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: same age.

1204
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: So I think it goes both ways.

1205
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: But my point is we got to get a lot

1206
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: of roles so we could do that right. Yeah, yeah,

1207
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, everybody ain't just twenty and thirty and forty forever.

1208
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: So you're saying like most of the writings are for

1209
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: that younger demo. Yeah, I saw. Did you watch the

1210
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: Marlon Wayne's interview with them when he talked about John Witherspoon, No,

1211
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: I didn't about Well, Marlon Wayne's had said how he

1212
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: had like him and his brother had fought for John

1213
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Witherspoon to be his his dad on the show. But

1214
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: when you watch that show, which I was a huge

1215
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: fan of that show back then, it was like these

1216
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: two young guys, they were cute, but John Witherspoon was

1217
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: this older guy that they cast. But he literally was

1218
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: like a big deal in the show. Every time he

1219
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: stepped on seeing and he was older. You know, you

1220
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1221
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: It's about the work you bring. You know, it's about

1222
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: the work you bring.

1223
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: I mean, if you could bring what's needed and deliver,

1224
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: that's what's important.

1225
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: Now with the agism, do you feel pressure to do

1226
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: like all the things to make.

1227
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: You look younger.

1228
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 3: No, I mean I just make myself look young as

1229
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm vain. You are goody goes a long way. I

1230
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: mean as far as exercises right, taking care of my

1231
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: skin I.

1232
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: Mean I do that anyway.

1233
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: Do you know do you and other black actresses try

1234
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: to stick together when it comes to pricing, because I

1235
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: heard Gabrielle Union talk about that.

1236
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that depends now because like my

1237
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 3: friends and I earned doing the same projects. So I'm

1238
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: not pricing. It's none their business what I'm making. It's

1239
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: none of my business what they're making.

1240
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 2: But if you were.

1241
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: Doing a project together, you know it's okay to say, hey, girl,

1242
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: make sure they give you da da da da da,

1243
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: because you know, I think it's okay to checking with

1244
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 3: if you're friendly.

1245
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: Like that, because also that could backfire on you too.

1246
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: She putting up a person it could Oh yeah, that

1247
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: could definitely, you know. But you know, how there is

1248
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: even you have mentioned like they have their there was

1249
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: a particular point where they had their five girls or

1250
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: their three girls that they were there. That's who they're

1251
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna go to for this role. I think Gabrielle Union

1252
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: had addressed like how they went to They she knew, Okay,

1253
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: if I'd say this number, they're gonna go and call

1254
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: the next girl, and the next girl and the next girl.

1255
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: So she got all three all all the girls online like,

1256
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: let's just stick with this number. You know this number

1257
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: if you know those people well enough to do that,

1258
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, But what's their incentive?

1259
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: Is like, well, because if you turn it down, then

1260
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: they coming to me. Yeah, you know, I'm having a

1261
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: piece of hair on my Facebook. Take it off, you know,

1262
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: So what's her incentive? Just to stick to your number?

1263
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: Then theyga just gonna come back to you and give

1264
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: it to you.

1265
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I hear what.

1266
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: She's saying, but it could easily.

1267
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: Because it's like, although you're close that number two, and

1268
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: they listen, she wants.

1269
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: That job too.

1270
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: Of course she may need the job, needed, wanted whatever.

1271
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: So if you're like ten thousand, five thousand away and

1272
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: they just dig their heirs and say no, we're not

1273
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: giving you an extra ten thousand, you can't call the

1274
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: other person say turn down that job because they're not

1275
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: give me the ten thousand. Because another person admit that

1276
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: whatever that is might be good for them right now,

1277
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: they're like, Okay, this is five thousand or seven thousand

1278
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: less than ten thousand. You're gonna pay Gabby, But I

1279
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: kind of want that job. I want the part, and

1280
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 3: I'll take it. So I get what she's saying, but

1281
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: you calling those other people said that if you all

1282
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: like are doing, are you already cast in a movie

1283
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: that's different, See the three people are cast for a

1284
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: different parts, then you stick together, like, hey, let's make

1285
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: them pay us because because whoever number one is gonna

1286
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: get more.

1287
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: Than number three. That's just that's just where that is.

1288
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: So you could say, hey, then people don't want to

1289
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: tell you what they're making. Do That's the other thing too,

1290
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: People don't want to tell you what they're making. But

1291
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: you can stick together, like make sure we get all

1292
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: of the amenities and stuff that we want. But if

1293
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: you're not cast and they're gonna look at the three

1294
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 3: of us for this one role and we all say, okay,

1295
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: we're not gonna do it for less than one hundred

1296
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, what is there?

1297
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: I don't you know what I'm saying.

1298
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it makes sense.

1299
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: They'll go back to number one.

1300
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: But why is number two saying I'm doing I'm not

1301
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 3: gonna do it less for one hundred thousand, Because then

1302
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: number three says I'm not gonna do less for one

1303
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. Then they're gonna go to number four and

1304
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: she'll say I'll take the seventy five thousand.

1305
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm good.

1306
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1307
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: So now three people just got out of a job

1308
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: and I'm just saying no, and I understand your argument,

1309
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: and I understand what you're trying to fight for. But

1310
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 3: that fourth person is taking that job because she needs it,

1311
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: and she's gonna like that's seventy five thousand.

1312
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm just using these as numbers.

1313
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: You know that seventy five thousand sounds good to be

1314
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: or that eighty thousand because they're gonna hold off for

1315
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 3: twenty thousand, all three of them.

1316
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Now, if you had to choose between a role that

1317
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: is a script that's really amazing, maybe you are the lead,

1318
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: maybe or not, but it's a really amazing script that

1319
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have the budget that you want, or a script

1320
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: that has a huge budget but you don't like the script.

1321
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 3: There's no no where you're going with this. There's three reasons.

1322
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: I take a job. Okay, I take a job because

1323
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: the script is incredible. The money may suck, sometimes the

1324
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: money is decent, but the script is good. The part

1325
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: is something I just feel like I have to do.

1326
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: I take a job because the people involved. This is

1327
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 3: a camp I want to get in or camp of

1328
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: people that have supported me that I like, or you know,

1329
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: just I finally broke into this camp and the money

1330
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: can sometimes be decent, great or whatever. Or I take

1331
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 3: it because the money is fucking good and I want

1332
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: the money at this point, the job could be.

1333
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: You know. So there's three reasons that I take a job.

1334
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: Those are good reasons.

1335
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: Those are and there's reason. You'll look up, it'll be

1336
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: two out of three.

1337
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: It's a good camp and it's a great role, but

1338
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: the money may suck because it's independent, or it's a

1339
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: great you know role the money's decent or the you know,

1340
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: you're in the good camp and the money's decent, but

1341
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 3: the roles okay, you know it just it's.

1342
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Just do you also look at the distribution and all

1343
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: of that when you're looking at it too, But you

1344
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: know you do.

1345
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: But once you get in bed with people, I assume

1346
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: that if I'm in bed with you know, the independent

1347
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: stuff sometimes you have to look out for.

1348
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: But if I'm doing them.

1349
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: I just finished the movie with Sony that Kicky Palmer

1350
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: and siss it was it.

1351
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: Well, I know that they're.

1352
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: Gonna try to kill it with that. I ain't got

1353
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: to worry about that. I went to work, did my thing.

1354
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: They already did a cut out here. The cuts good

1355
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: out here.

1356
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm good in it. So that's all I care about.

1357
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: It is I called me when you need me, what

1358
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna do?

1359
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: I like that.

1360
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: The money was and then that's a great example. The

1361
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: money sucked. The money. I'm just to be honest.

1362
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: The money sucked. But it was a project I wanted

1363
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: to be.

1364
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: A part of for a lot of reasons, so I

1365
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 2: took the job.

1366
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you you look at it from all angles. You're

1367
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: a businesswoman, actress directly, because sometimes.

1368
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: What I can't get from you now, I can get

1369
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: it from you later.

1370
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, you know I agree. So how

1371
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: can everyone keep up with you? And can you tell

1372
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: us what projects you have coming out to that camera?

1373
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Black Hamptons.

1374
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: We're going to go back shooting that in the next month,

1375
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: and then I'm going back on The Vince Staples Show

1376
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: season two. I have a Christmas movie coming out called

1377
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 3: The Queens of Christmas.

1378
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm quite sure when that's gonna air.

1379
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 3: And then, as I just said, I did the Scissa

1380
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 3: and Kiki Palmer movie. I think that's coming out next spring.

1381
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: But you can see me on Vanessabel Callaway. That's my Instagram.

1382
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: I don't do Twitter anymore. It's just now X it

1383
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: got on my nerves.

1384
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: I'll stop that.

1385
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: I don't do Facebook, but my Twitter goes to my Facebook.

1386
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: I hate Facebook. I'm sorry what I hate Facebook?

1387
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: That's just what about TikTok's out?

1388
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: Nah?

1389
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean TikTok.

1390
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: I haven't really gotten into it that much, you know,

1391
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,760
Speaker 3: but I'll.

1392
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: Make it more into that.

1393
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: And I don't mind TikTok, but I just some of

1394
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: my Facebook I just never liked.

1395
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: Really all my nerves, I still it's just all is.

1396
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just it's spy on all your people you

1397
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 5: went to high school with.

1398
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: It's like all this other miscellaneous stuff. So do I

1399
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: have fan pages for face so you can't go on

1400
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: Facebook because whatever I post on Instagram goes to Facebook?

1401
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: Bright, Yeah.

1402
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: They. Then I have a website that needs to be updated,

1403
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: but you can go to Vannicsiuvill Gallaway dot.

1404
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: Com and then you go in the Company of Friends dot.

1405
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 3: Tv and you can see my That's a very nest

1406
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: podcast and my Intercompany of Friends, my web series that

1407
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: I did before everybody was doing them. I did this

1408
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: stuff before everybody, way before everybody else started. Now everybody

1409
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: does it, but I did it way before everybody else

1410
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: was doing it.

1411
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: I feel like you could recycle some of that content.

1412
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk curious.

1413
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm curious.

1414
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it.

1415
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: And then is there any person that you worked with

1416
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: that you could give us just a fun tidbit that

1417
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: you that you recollect something that would be kind of

1418
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: just fun and entertaining.

1419
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: Really, no, not off the top of my head. I

1420
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: just had had fun every time I work.

1421
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes I'm lucky and I've worked with people

1422
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 3: more than once. We get along, we have a great time.

1423
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: Some projects are a lot of fun.

1424
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: Some projects you just go to work, do and leave.

1425
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: Do you like working alongside comedians more than other people, because.

1426
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: I like working alongside actress actress.

1427
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: Comedians can be very interesting to work with because they

1428
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 3: love them, but they.

1429
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: Some of them a little ad d.

1430
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: You're like, I want to get through today, right exactly,

1431
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: and they're just and they go they go off and

1432
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: they want to tell all these stories and they want

1433
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: to do their stand up comedy for the crew because

1434
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: they're always on.

1435
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, they're always on which is great.

1436
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not, you know, saying anything bad about

1437
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters and the comedians. But sometimes it's

1438
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: actually I'm like, can we get to this scene so

1439
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: I could go home, Let's go stop talking and do

1440
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: the lines, let's hit it.

1441
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: I could see that. I could see that. So you

1442
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: like work alongside professional actresses and actors.

1443
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: It's fun if you're doing a movie that's a comedy

1444
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 3: and you're with a comedian, because they're gonna be fresh

1445
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be you kinda look like calle Berry.

1446
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, tell you that a lot. Yeah,

1447
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: like Cali Berry anyway, but yeah, she's beautiful.

1448
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: But there's like sometimes like if you're doing a comedy

1449
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 3: and you're in the scene with a comedian, that's great

1450
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 3: because they're gonna give you a lot the feed off

1451
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: of because they're gonna add lib. You get to add lib.

1452
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be that's gonna be great. But if

1453
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: like I've done movies and the they just can't some

1454
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: of them just can't focus and just can't come down

1455
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 3: and focus on that scene.

1456
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: I could see that.

1457
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: I can only imagine. And then I had a producer

1458
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: come in and you know, he was saying that if

1459
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: you write one word on a song, uh, then you

1460
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: could technically qualify for like a writer credit if you

1461
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: even do. But when you add in a movie or

1462
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: a show, you don't get nothing. Okay, that was it.

1463
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for for feeding my daughter me

1464
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: the week. I will tell you how that dish came out.

1465
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: But tasting the marinade alone, you're gonna make it. I'm

1466
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it. To be honest, I low key really

1467
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna buy a grill and try to grill

1468
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: it because for some strange reason, I feel like it's

1469
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna taste really good.

1470
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh it's gonna take.

1471
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, everybody, you can put this

1472
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: a ziplock and you could last in refrigerator two days

1473
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: before you cook. It's gonna be just fine.

1474
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try and wait at

1475
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: least twenty four hours.

1476
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: But I only wanted to sit up in that and

1477
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 3: then then every now and again, go on you refrigerator

1478
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: and bullsh it up.

1479
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: And change the sides, okay, you know, and then do

1480
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: I take the You ever see when they get the grill,

1481
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: they have the little paintbrush.

1482
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: After I do the boiling a new grill, you gotta

1483
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: get that top so the chicken doesn't stick. There's ways

1484
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: people do it. Some people take an onion and do

1485
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: the grates.

1486
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: You know. Some people do that.

1487
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: You might want to brush it with a little pam

1488
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: or a little something, because when you get a new grill,

1489
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: you just don't want to throw meat and stuff on

1490
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: it because it's just gonna tear up your meat and

1491
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: your fish because of the grates are good. I did

1492
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: not know that, so I could do onion or Yeah,

1493
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 3: some people take an onion, okay, and then just go

1494
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 3: and then just go through like over, like back and

1495
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: forth a lot.

1496
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, you should definitely be doing a cooking show.

1497
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: I had one, Yeah, you one.

1498
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: The show had girl had a night nightmare with an editor.

1499
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: And this show never really got out because I fell

1500
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: out with this editor. It was called cooking and hook

1501
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: it up how to have a meal for fifty dollars

1502
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 3: or less for young people.

1503
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great, it was great too.

1504
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: So what happened?

1505
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: I did all these shows and then the editor based

1506
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: hijacked my stuff.

1507
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: It was girl. Oh. A couple of shows, A couple

1508
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: of shows I was able to get out, but it

1509
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: was I.

1510
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: Would have Kanye. You ever seen the episode with Kanye

1511
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: they try to pull an ash because they try to

1512
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: pull something on him. He grabbed his footage and ran.

1513
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: That would have been me. Yeah, I be like, you

1514
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna give me my footage?

1515
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: But it was.

1516
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: It was.

1517
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: But that's just a good hack right there, Like to

1518
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: do that. But I'm gonna get th gril. I plan

1519
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: on doing this for real. I'm gonna get the girl

1520
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: do the onion thing and then just get a little

1521
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: spam or something. But do I take the little paintbrush

1522
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: and then like after I boil the or like what

1523
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: do you cure thet all the thing?

1524
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: Now?

1525
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: And if you want to do you know, like say,

1526
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: if you decide you want to add some chicken to this,

1527
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: I would make a little bit more of the baronade

1528
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: and that right, and you just add it to the chicken.

1529
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: But then then in the plastic bag, you're gonna do

1530
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 3: this and try to get all of that good stuff. Yeah,

1531
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 3: you'll turn it inside out. You have to, girl, Like

1532
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 3: I put on my plastic gloves. I don't leave noney

1533
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: to get all that good stuff into your bath and

1534
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: then taste it a little bit more soft. Let me

1535
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: add a little bit more terioki, oh, let me add

1536
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: a little more garlic powder. Well, taste it right, okay,

1537
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: and then after you you grill it. No, you don't

1538
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 3: have to paint it on there. Just get it boiling

1539
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: and take that hot little pot you know you.

1540
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: Need a little pot.

1541
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, a big pot, and just on top the chicken,

1542
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 3: and then get your spatulattle and scrap.

1543
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: You're hilarious.

1544
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: You and this.

1545
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: Don't waste nothing.

1546
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: I don't waste nothing. Don't waste nothing.

1547
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: This was the great interview. Thank you so much for

1548
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: your time, Vanessa.

1549
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: I really pre sure. Yeah yeah, Now I gotta go

1550
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: home and eat. I'm hungry little.

1551
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, I promise you I'm gonna

1552
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: take full credit for this, and I do that sometimes

1553
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: you should.

1554
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: I'll be like, I'm gonna tell you this too.

1555
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 3: Any dish that you like, make it at least once

1556
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: a month, and it will become your own because you'll practice,

1557
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: you'll decide. You know what, I wonder what would happen

1558
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 3: if I add Probably nothing, but it's just gonna add

1559
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: to it. And if the more you do it, the

1560
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: you know, the better you become at making it, and

1561
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: you'll make it quicker, and you'll know the flavors that

1562
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: you want, and so it will become yours.

1563
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: You will take credit for it.

1564
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: Have you?

1565
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: This is sidebarring it. But my mom was in town,

1566
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: so I was like, you have to make us to

1567
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: making food like enough to last a week. So my

1568
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: mom I noticed she washes all her chicken with vinegar.

1569
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: Oh I don't. I just wash my chicken real good.

1570
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: But I actually think it may actually make it good. Yeah,

1571
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: Like I low key in the back of my mind,

1572
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I'm gonna to steal that from

1573
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: her because I think it makes a difference a little bit.

1574
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: It did, but it just I don't know.

1575
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: I just washed it real good. I get a knife

1576
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: and I go through and I clean everything, and I

1577
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: washed it real good.

1578
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: Dry.

1579
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 5: I've remembered the pets that dry season, and I never

1580
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 5: had a look at I'm never looking at Boudy towels

1581
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 5: the same after this.

1582
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you guys. Peace out.