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Speaker 3: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 3: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 3: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 4: So what's happening in women's basketball right now now is

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Speaker 4: what we've been trying.

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Speaker 1: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 3: From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 1: Kynon Clark broke the all time single game assist record.

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Speaker 3: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 3: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 3: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. So programming note, family, I

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Speaker 3: was asked to join levels to this podcast with the

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Speaker 3: legendary Cheryl Swoops and women's college basketball analysts Terreika Foster Brassby.

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Speaker 3: So you should know their podcast because trust me, these

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Speaker 3: needed to know about basketball college basketball. Every time I

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Speaker 3: that is the first thing. However, they asked me to

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Speaker 3: I said, do you mind if I actually borrow a

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Speaker 3: little bit of your podcast and aired on my actual

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Speaker 5: So, you know, Carrie, every single day there's something something

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Speaker 5: the Department of Education, and you are removing Jackie Robinson,

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Speaker 5: Medgar Evers. You're removing people from our history that had

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Speaker 3: We were asleep while afforded people by the thousands, hundreds

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Speaker 3: Do you know how dangerous that is walking up to

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Speaker 4: We don't have enough people in Congress who are fighting,

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Speaker 3: Why I hear hear people say that I'm moving because

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing now, but it was better when

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Speaker 4: The problem with UCLA is that I think they forget

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Speaker 4: And what did you say, because she said your loyalty

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Speaker 4: said no, loyalty carry yes, I mean.

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Speaker 3: You like USC and Juju. I don't know I no, no, no.

436
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Speaker 5: No, no no no no. Just to be clear, neither

437
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Speaker 5: of these teams are my team.

438
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Speaker 3: Okay, So that.

439
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay. If we're gonna.

440
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Speaker 5: Talk about loyalty, and I don't know if that's the

441
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Speaker 5: word I use, but I would say this, I ride

442
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 5: with South Carolina and State all day.

443
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Speaker 3: All day. That that's what that is.

444
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Speaker 4: What makes that is what makes it hard being a

445
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Speaker 4: fan and an analyst when it comes to college, because

446
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 4: you have to roll with your with your squad. I

447
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 4: graduated from an HBCU, I did a few semesters at

448
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: Michigan State University, and I grew up a Michigan State fans.

449
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Speaker 4: So as it relates to D one, I'm spartan all

450
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: day long, right, but I tried to tone that down

451
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: for women's basketball, just because it's like, hey, you want

452
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Speaker 4: to be professional, you want to be fair, you know

453
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Speaker 4: what I mean?

454
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Speaker 1: So I try.

455
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Speaker 4: I'm not always successful, but I try men's basketball. Leave

456
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Speaker 4: me alone today when we play, don't call me, don't

457
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Speaker 4: text me.

458
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Speaker 1: I'm talking. I was talking about Michigan last night. I

459
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Speaker 1: thought they was gonna lose. I got so excited, said.

460
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Speaker 4: Y'all can breast my you can fus stop bracket up.

461
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: If that means Michigan is going home, that got to

462
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Speaker 4: go one hundred percent. Don't know, Basis Blue get no

463
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Speaker 4: love around here.

464
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Speaker 1: So that is what it is.

465
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Speaker 4: But it's so hard not to cheer for South Carolina.

466
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: It's so hard not to cheer for dawn S Day.

467
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 4: Like the level excellent station continues to just she has

468
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Speaker 4: completely shifted the standard to me of what women's basketball

469
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Speaker 4: is and where it should be. I think I would

470
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Speaker 4: love to owe the parody that we have in women's

471
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Speaker 4: college basketball now to the beginnings of how she started

472
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Speaker 4: to turn around not one program, but too because she

473
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Speaker 4: didn't just do it at South Carolina. She turned around

474
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 4: Temple too.

475
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Speaker 1: She didn't at the end of the day.

476
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Speaker 4: It's just it's it's it's so fun because the tournament.

477
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Speaker 4: We're recording this on a Friday, and the tournament is

478
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Speaker 4: getting ready to start today.

479
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Speaker 1: So I love the fact that I look at.

480
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Speaker 4: This tournament and I can't fill out a bracket anymore

481
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: and say, well, we know the first two rounds is

482
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Speaker 4: gonna be no.

483
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Speaker 1: We see upsets. Yeah, you see people go like, we

484
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: see players go off with it. Yeah, Like the madness

485
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: is real.

486
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Speaker 4: And what I love more than anything about where we

487
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 4: are now with women's basketball is just the way that

488
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: people have an opportunity to make a name for themselves.

489
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Speaker 3: Now.

490
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Speaker 1: I can never forget Jackie Young.

491
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Speaker 4: In twenty nineteen, she was not the projected number one

492
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 4: overall pick.

493
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Speaker 1: Oh no, it was supposed to be Sabrina and Escu

494
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: that year.

495
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Speaker 4: Right, And then the tournament came and Notre Dame showed

496
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: out in that tournament and then they made it all

497
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Speaker 4: the way to the finals against Baylor, and granted Baylor

498
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Speaker 4: got the w that year, but at the end of

499
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Speaker 4: the day, it was like here she yeah Offason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah she WASNA, you're too late to get all his money,

501
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know what I mean, like late to

502
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Speaker 3: get off cash.

503
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Speaker 1: And I love it was.

504
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Speaker 3: It was building. All of it was building the building block.

505
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I think don I even and coach

506
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: and I. I will be very honest of the coach.

507
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: Corey and I talk all the time. I fly off

508
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: for UCLA. I do things for them all the time.

509
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: That's my g She can call me up and I'll

510
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: do anything for her. It bro As UCLA was making

511
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: this run. I remember her asking if I wanted to

512
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: go to the game in South Carolina and I was like, ooh,

513
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: I've missed that one. And I was like, I'm gonna

514
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: have to miss that one because I don't want you

515
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: to be mad at me when I get excited for

516
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: Donah to your I understand I better. You know, at

517
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: the school, it's being a black woman before going to school,

518
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, that's all it is. It was like she's

519
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: smart enough to understand that, Like, but I'm still rooting

520
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 3: for you, like I still want you to win, but

521
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: you understand I feel such such a and loyalty and

522
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: watch I'm like, go ahead, boo doo, you get all

523
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: this to make all the demands have in zone. Be unapologetic,

524
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: be a fighter. They know two things. My team's not

525
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: going there because if they're raised, won't play there.

526
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 5: Yes, and garry that I'm sorry, that's what for me.

527
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 5: But besides, I played with Don you know, in the WU,

528
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 5: played with her in the Olympics, like all of those things.

529
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's my girl. But here's what I really

530
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 5: here's what I really pull hard for Don is because

531
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 5: she's one of us, and people are always sitting waiting

532
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 5: for her as a black woman to fail, but they

533
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: don't want to sit there and cheer her on in

534
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: her successes. And you know, for so long we we

535
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: have been told as as a black woman and looked

536
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Speaker 5: at as a black woman leading in NC double A

537
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Speaker 5: Division one.

538
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Speaker 1: Team, you can't do it.

539
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: You as a black woman can't win a championship, You

540
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 5: can't recruit, you can't get the all of those things.

541
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Speaker 1: And don Staley, she she don't say nothing. She like

542
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: just watched me. Just watch me.

543
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 5: I'm I'm gonna do all the things that you say

544
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 5: I can't. I'm gonna turn this around. Yeah, I'm gonna

545
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 5: get what I deserve. Like I sit back and I

546
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: watched all these things, like I text on it ain't

547
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 5: got none to do with basketball, But I'll just say

548
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: thank you, right, just thank you.

549
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: She she gets it, she sees it. She's a great

550
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: mentor for these young ladies.

551
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 5: And it's just hard for me to not not pull.

552
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: For her, right yep.

553
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: And yeah, so I'm yeah, and I'm always when people

554
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: come for her, they come for her players, I'm gonna

555
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: be the first one to be like, oh no, we're

556
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 5: not gonna do that.

557
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do it. You're not gonna come for

558
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: down Staley.

559
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 4: Like that's just they And I think folks often forget

560
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: that it wasn't in those same in those same comments

561
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: that you're that you're saying they said about her, which

562
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: they did. They now turn all of that around to

563
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: make it a negative. They now turned all that around

564
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: and say, well, of course she wins.

565
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Speaker 5: She has all these all Americans.

566
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 4: It's like, but you said, I couldn't read proof all Americans,

567
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: and they said, well, of course she has all these

568
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: great facilities because they.

569
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: Paid her all this money. But y'all don't know.

570
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: Don Staley put her own money into this program. Early

571
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: on before I got to hear it was It's like

572
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: everything that y'all are saying was a negative that have

573
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 4: now become a positive. Now we're gonna figure out how

574
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 4: to make that thing a neetive. It's just a cycle

575
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: that will never end. And as we talk about Michelle

576
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: Obama telling us when they go low that we go

577
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: lower down. Maybe one of the few people who still

578
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: goes high. Yeah, and it's another reason why we continue

579
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: to respect her and everything that she's doing.

580
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Speaker 1: YU kind is coming.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to Naked Sports, and we gotta pay some bills.

582
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Speaker 3: We'll be right back in just a few moments. I'm

583
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: so grateful that these ladies from levels to this podcast

584
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Speaker 3: that's the legendary Sheryl swoops and the best in terms

585
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: of women's college basketball. Analyst Jarka Foster Brassby here on

586
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Naked Sports, take a listen. I'm really curious about how

587
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: you feel people are receiving women's basketball. It's not that

588
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: same fever pitch when it was Caitlin and Angel Rees.

589
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel that exciting. Do you think women's basketball

590
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: needs that rivalry to get more? I mean they're still

591
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: spending the money. People are still but like the excitement

592
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: of where the man down the street who never watched

593
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: women basketball is talking about it, you know what I mean?

594
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: You know how when you guys stopped by people. I

595
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: don't feel that this time. But Miani had an interesting take,

596
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: and I don't always listen to men talk women's sports,

597
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: but he said, no matter what you think, and I

598
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: put this in my rivalry doc, that Tarika was in.

599
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: The rivalry is such a good thing, and they're missing

600
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Speaker 3: out on the rivalry that could be between Yukon and

601
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: NSC at South Carolina. And I think that or I

602
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: feel like it could be USC maybe. And you talk

603
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: about Juju taking on page like, I wonder if that

604
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: storyline needs to be played up more, even though it's

605
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: not a storyline, so that there's more interest. Do you

606
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying? Like cause I Angel Rees really

607
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: provided her being quote unquote in theory, the villain really

608
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: gave them what they needed to mean, Kaitln was great,

609
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: but we needed something else. We need it, We needed

610
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: it to be up here.

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: So what I would say to that is, I think

613
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: that the best rivalries are the ones that continue to

614
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 4: exist even when you don't have to force it. Because

615
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: that Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees's rivalry, it still exists.

616
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: It's just in the w now as it relates to

617
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 4: the to women's college basketball. One thing that I've always

618
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: noticed and then scherryl you could, I mean you played

619
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: on the college level. I knew I was done after

620
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: high school. College was not gonna be for me. So

621
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Speaker 4: I don't have this experience, but it feels like what

622
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 4: I love about college rivalries is that no matter who

623
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: plays there, no matter how long, like, UCLA is always

624
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: gonna hate USC.

625
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: It don't matter. If Reggie's there, it don't matter. If

626
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Lisa's there, it don't matter if Like it don't matter

627
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: if Cheryl Miller's there.

628
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: USC and U c l A are Michigan and Michigan

629
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: State will always hate each other. It don't matter. I

630
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: don't care who played there. I don't even need to

631
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: know the players. If you're wearing a Maze and Blue outs.

632
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: You Michigan State.

633
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Matter, can you Yeah, you're back, You're back.

634
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: And so when I and now, I feel like at

635
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: one point in time that was Yukon and Tennessee, it

636
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: was like it didn't matter where it was, what was

637
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: going on, like it didn't have to have a.

638
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Player name attachment.

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00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: So I say all that to say that I feel

640
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: like organic school rivalries are building in half built. I

641
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: think that South Carolina and Yukon, especially if they if

642
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: they reached you know again this year, could definitely be

643
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: that kind of rivalry. U USC continuing to stay and

644
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: if you and if Lauren Betts comes back next year

645
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: she's alluded to that continue that crosstown rivalry is something

646
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: that continues to grow. I don't think rivalries are sustainable

647
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: when it is just upon people.

648
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh, they need to be based on the school.

649
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: They need to be based on We need to make

650
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 4: these two schools, these teams face each other so much

651
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: and so good to where they start to feel away

652
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: about it because people come and go.

653
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: We see that in the men's game.

654
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: In the men's game, Duke and North Carolina gonna forever

655
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: be a rivalry.

656
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: It don't matter.

657
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: Whatever, it's gonna it's gonna let it's gonna be prime

658
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: time every single time. That Championships Classic is always gonna

659
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: be Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State, and Duke. It ain't gonna

660
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: never change because those schools are always and it's always

661
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: gonna bring eyes and attention. The women's game have yet

662
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: to have that one, not since Yukon and Tennessee. They

663
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: have not had that one school where you're just like,

664
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: I don't.

665
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: Care who played. If these two teams matching up, it

666
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: might be nasty tee. I totally agree with you on that.

667
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 5: I have a different perspective as well when you talk

668
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 5: about rivalries, like, I didn't think Angel and Caitlyn was

669
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 5: a rivalryson Honestly, I thought this was you have this

670
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: really really, really really good white player and you have

671
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: this really good black player. And because of that, I

672
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: think people were like, well, I gotta pick one or

673
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 5: the other.

674
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: I gotta rock with Caitlyn or I gotta.

675
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: Rock with Angel, Because to me, a lot of the

676
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: stuff that people talked about it didn't really have anything

677
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 5: to do with the two of them playing basketball because they.

678
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: Didn't guard each other. Yeah, like it Caitlyn. Caitlyn is

679
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: in her own world.

680
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 5: Caitlyn plays a certain way, she plays a certain position,

681
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 5: she does the thing she does, and Angel does the

682
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 5: thing she does right, So like both of these players

683
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 5: can be really good. I think people tried to make

684
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 5: it a rivalry because that was exciting for the game.

685
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: I will say this, I loved it.

686
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 5: Whether you considered it a rivalry or not, I loved

687
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: it because people were talking about the women's game. Yeah,

688
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: they were talking about Angel, they were talking about Caitlin,

689
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: but you ended up talking about the WNBA.

690
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: You ended up talking about the game.

691
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times when people think about

692
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: women's basketball, women's sports in general, but in particular women's basketball,

693
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 5: they want us to all be like Kumbaya.

694
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: Oh they all like each other're Oh, they're all business.

695
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: Oh they don't curse, they don't swear, they don't play hard,

696
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 5: they don't foul.

697
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Who right, But we've always played that way, and you

698
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: know what, I'm okay.

699
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: If you don't like me, yeah yeah, even.

700
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 5: If you do like me, when we step on that court,

701
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 5: I'm coming for your head every single time when the

702
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 5: game's over.

703
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: If we you know, we friends. When the game's over.

704
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: We're cool.

705
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 5: We can go have dreams, we can go talk, we

706
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 5: can go talk about how I just gave you forty

707
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 5: and how you thought you was going to hold me.

708
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: To twenty five sary. To your point, I do think

709
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: it's really, really, really good for the game. But I

710
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: also think we're at a place right now.

711
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: Whether that's because of Caitlin Angel and the whole rookie

712
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: class last year, but also the Asia Wilson's.

713
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: The Diana Trossi's right.

714
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: I think we're at a place right now though, where

715
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 5: women's basketball is.

716
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: In a really good place. People are talking about it.

717
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 5: I got people talking to me about it that didn't

718
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: even know the WNBA existed until this season, right Yeah.

719
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: And I'll end on this because I said this yesterday.

720
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: I know there's a new CBA coming up. I know

721
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: the players are like, listen, we want X, Y and Z. Rightfully,

722
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: So this is just my two cents. But I will

723
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 5: say this, if you don't get all those things that

724
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: you're asking for now, probably ain't the best time for

725
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: a lockout.

726
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: Well why would you say that?

727
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Because of where the game is right now?

728
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 5: Oh? I just I don't think we're at a place

729
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: where we want to go down that road.

730
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: If you lose that momentum, it's no guarantee that you

731
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: will peak that right back.

732
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 3: Wow, what a tough space to be in because I

734
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: know players want to get more things, and you got

735
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: a generation of players and only a handful, But they're

736
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: used to getting what they want. You talking to the

737
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: likes of an Angel and a Caitlin and all these

738
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: other players that came in, they're used to fighting for

739
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: what they want.

740
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: Well, yes they should. So here's the thing, right, they should.

741
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 5: And I do think it's because of the Angels and

742
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 5: the Caitlin's that they probably will get a lot of

743
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: the things they're asking for. But here's the other thing

744
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 5: I say. You also only have probably a handful of

745
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: players that can afford do you play?

746
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

747
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: Wow, right, the opportunities are there.

748
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: When I look at you know what, dear Mark, I

749
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: saw a Flage Experience commercial, I'm like, what the hell.

750
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: Like, it's great?

751
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 5: Where everything that I'm seeing that they're doing, that's happening

752
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: that these women deserve. This is where we always wanted

753
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 5: to see the league, right, all these opportunities that they're getting.

754
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: But you also have to be strategic in what your

755
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: plan is gonna be. Right, you go to the table

756
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 5: and you say we want X, Y and Z, and

757
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 5: if they come back there like, all right, we'll give

758
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 5: you X and Z. But why don't know so way

759
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: your options? Is it really worth you all saying we're

760
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: not we're not gonna play because we want why Also,

761
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: last thing I'll say, I do feel with unrival and

762
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 5: even with athletes unlimited, right, there are two other leagues

763
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: that these women have an opportunity to play in. Granted

764
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 5: and R I've only had thirty players, AU only had

765
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: forty players. But because there are other opportunities, that is

766
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: going to put pressure on the W.

767
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: You took the words right out of my mouth, Shryl.

768
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: I was literally getting ready to say when you were

769
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: done that I don't think that it will even need

770
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: to get to a lockout because I think the W

771
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: isn't stupid. As much as people criticize them, They're not stupid,

772
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: and they understand the product that they have, and they

773
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 4: too understand that this is a momentum that they can

774
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: ill afford to lose. This is a time that they

775
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: can ill afford to They have an opportunity to put

776
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 4: this league in a different category, in a different financial status,

777
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: and I don't think that they would also be willing

778
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: to waste that over being stubborn. It has not worked

779
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: in the years past, it will not work moving forward.

780
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: So I genuinely hope that they are wise enough to

781
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: understand that there is a give and take, and as

782
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: much as they want the players to give and take,

783
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: they have to give a little bit too. So I

784
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: don't think it'll get to a lockout personally.

785
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's so smart. And by the way, all the

786
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: nuance to what's happening you are. I love that. I

787
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: love the idea of being like the knowing yet unrivaled

788
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: in these other leagues exists. The w will have to

789
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: understand that these players do have more leverage than they need,

790
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: and you're right, only a handful of players show can

791
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 3: actually be like I'm off.

792
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Set, I'm straight.

793
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fine. I got so that That's.

794
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 5: Why it's important, Carrie, to have the right people in

795
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 5: the room when it comes to the negotiating, because it

796
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 5: can't just be about you, right like, well, this is

797
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: what I want, because you're speaking for the entire league.

798
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 5: You're speaking for all these women who who don't have

799
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: these endorsement deals, who don't have these opportunities, who might

800
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 5: only be making seventy five thousand dollars during the WNBA season.

801
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. Do you remember the

802
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: movie one forty four, Remember the movie that came out. Yeah.

803
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 4: One thing that always sticks out to me is Courtney Williams.

804
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: Courtney forty four was the movie about the Governor player,

805
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: the documentary with the players in the bubble king the

806
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: during the pandemic, and it's really good. It's really good,

807
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 4: And Courtney Williams was very vulnerable in there. And when

808
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 4: they showed the clips of them being at the table

809
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: amongst each other speaking, Courtney said, I don't want there

810
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: was The question became whether or not they play a

811
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: specific game because of a player player player, because of

812
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: say it again, no kidd okay, she was Candace wasn't

813
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: in one forty four, it was SUPERGA, SUPERB, Kelsey Plumb,

814
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: it was Elizabeth william So in a in in one

815
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: the players were having a conversation whether or not to

816
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: play a specific game because there was a shooting in

817
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: which Jacob Blake was shot and the NBA when they

818
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: were in their bubble they decided that they were not

819
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: going to play, and so the WNBA had to make

820
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: a decision whether or not they were not going to play.

821
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 4: And here you are in a season where there are

822
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: more eyes on your sport than any other eyes, because

823
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 4: if we're in a pandemic, can't nobody going nowhere? They're

824
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: playing in the summertime. And on top of that, it's

825
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: all about how you make money. You make money based

826
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: off how you play and when you play. And so

827
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 4: Courtney Williams was like, listen, I'm not about not trying

828
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: to play this game because I can't afford to not play.

829
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 4: I can't afford the ramifications that could come from networks

830
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: or whoever else. Don't want to show our games no

831
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 4: more because we're deciding not to play.

832
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: And so there was conversation and I respected.

833
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: Courtney Williams for that because it was very clear that

834
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily because I feel that we shouldn't stand

835
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: up for Jacob Blak. But the reality is I have

836
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: to provide, and she said this, it's my responsibility to

837
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: provide from my family, and I can provide for my

838
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 4: family if you don't know, checks come through because the

839
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: rest of y'all can afford to provide for your family,

840
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: whether y'all get this check or not. I ain't got

841
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 4: that and have I never had more respect for Courtney

842
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: than I did at that moment, because she kept it

843
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: real and she spoke for so many other people who

844
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 4: honestly filled up, who wouldn't speak up but felt the

845
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: same way. It's not about wanting to not stand up

846
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 4: for this right, but it's also about being realistic that

847
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 4: I don't make what y'all make. I can't afford to mischecks.

848
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: And I think that's a conversation that will happen amongst players,

849
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: not in front of the WNBA, but just amongst each other,

850
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: amongst peers when they consider if it ever gets to

851
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 4: this part a lockout where you have to be considerate

852
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: of your sister and everybody don't got it like you

853
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: got it.

854
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: And by the way, that is a decision that has

855
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: to be made in every professional sport. That's why the

856
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: NFL finds them self fighting getting people won't all protest,

857
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: and people say because they're players who make no money,

858
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: And then there are players who make a lot of money,

859
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: And there is and by for us, for you, by

860
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: our stand and say I'll make a lot of money, right,

861
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: but I'm somebody who might do a league minimum at

862
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: five hundred versus somebody who has one hundred million dollar

863
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: deal and approach the game differently. So it makes sense.

864
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: It totally does. Wow, you gave me a education. I

865
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: hope they don't like out there, ul because we don't

866
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: want to.

867
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: We don't know it just listened.

868
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 5: The momentum, the momentum that we have right now is,

869
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 5: to be honest with you, there are times are I'm like, damn,

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Speaker 5: this is really happening in the.

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Speaker 1: Double NBA for the w players.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why I'm like, it's you know what,

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Speaker 5: maybe in five years, if we're back here having this conversation,

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Speaker 5: I might feel differently.

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Speaker 1: But just the.

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Speaker 5: The viewership, the attendance, the I don't even care if

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Speaker 5: it was bad publicity.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the WNBA, right.

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Speaker 5: We just don't want to get to a point where

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Speaker 5: we're like, all right, we're not going to play this

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Speaker 5: season and all of that momentum like it's for yeah.

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Speaker 4: And selfishly, I don't want y'all to lock out either,

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Speaker 4: because that's.

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Speaker 1: My pay check.

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Speaker 2: What you need.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, I got to cover this sport.

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Speaker 4: What OK, keep me on payroll and.

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Speaker 5: I ain't gonna come on. I don't mess on my bro.

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Speaker 5: We ain't want forty four. It's gonna be more. We

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Speaker 5: didn't added three. You gotta have thirty six small.

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Speaker 3: People here mathing, not this mathing that I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I would my degree in political science, not math. I'm

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Speaker 1: just adding. I was just adding the valkyrie for this.

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Speaker 1: Oh MG, Carrie, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. I should stay here all night and

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Speaker 3: talk to y'all. Y'all just gave me a full education.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thank you just like me and I

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Speaker 3: love what we did, how we did it all. We

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Speaker 3: put the intersection of all of it together. We did

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Speaker 3: a monolith. We know all things, and so I that absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I look, we didn't capture away pie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all for listening to sports again. A huge

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Speaker 3: shout out to levels to this podcast with Chryl Swoops

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Speaker 3: and ta Rika. I appreciate you both. I have learned

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Speaker 3: so much. Thank you all for being here. Join us

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Speaker 3: next week. Naked Sports written and executive produced by me

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Speaker 3: Kerry Champion, produced by Jocquees Thomas, Sound design and mastered

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