1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: one two. That was the sound of a funeral. You know. 3 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: They're photos of them and grinning on Valentine's Day, their 4 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: arms wrapped around each other, Hollywood superstar Jim Carrey and 5 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: his petite, tiny little girlfriend, the Irish makeup artist. The 6 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: photos of them on Valentine's looked like it was an 7 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: ad for a romantic comedy. But just one one year later, 8 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: that girlfriend, his lover, Kathriana White dead found dead, surrounded 9 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: by prescription peels, and she leaves behind a suicide note 10 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: and a devastated funny man Jim Carrey. The world watched 11 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: as Jim Carrey, who had actually broken up with Katharina 12 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: months before, looked devastated as he told the world how 13 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: he would always love her, and he then jetted off 14 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: to Ireland for a private funeral in her hometown with 15 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: her family. Then everything went sideways. Joining me right now, 16 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter from Radar Online dot Com. 17 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Jim Carrey, who we all grew up think. I mean, 18 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: that's one of a movie that I can show my children, 19 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: And we've watched it over and over and over. Uh 20 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a Sventura Pet Detective, which spawned a Sventura Pet Detective too. 21 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: This is a guy that can be funny without being 22 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, using bad words that kids can't hear. He 23 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: never fails, you know. It's and we think we know 24 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: him because we've watched him so much. But then suddenly 25 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: he was leveled with horrible claims by the family of 26 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: his dead girlfriend. Catharine's mother says that she discovered after 27 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: her daughter committed suicide that the reason that she did 28 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: so was because she was so upset after the breakup, 29 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: but because she claimed that Jim Carey had given her 30 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: an STV. She claimed that he gave her herpies and 31 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: that she had been suffering with this years and years 32 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: and years, and that she was so depressed after their 33 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: breakup and her sexually transmitted disease diagnosis that she just 34 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: couldn't handle living anymore. So I guess she's claiming that 35 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: she claimed that dating Jim Carrey, they had unprotected sex 36 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: and he gave her her peace and it affected her greatly. 37 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: Then she claims, against her desires, he breaks up with 38 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: her and she's devastated and feels like not only has 39 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: she been discarded, but she's got to live the rest 40 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: of her life without finding love because she's going to 41 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: have to tell her next boyfriend, oh yeah, I have 42 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: her peace. You know, I can understand being devastated and upset, 43 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: but to commit suicide to Karen Stark, that is what 44 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: her family claimed, that she committed suicide because of having 45 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: her pies and but committing suicide here and start, well, 46 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: that's not because it doesn't make any sense that it 47 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: would be because of that. So many people wind up 48 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: having her pies without understanding that they've contacted it or 49 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: how they got it. It doesn't mean anything, Nancy. What 50 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: we're looking at is somebody who is a very troubled person. 51 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: There's it's alleged that before she committed suicide, she received 52 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: a cruel message from her mother, so something was going 53 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: on and in the relationship between her and her mother. 54 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: I don't think that she was able to handle the 55 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: breakup with Carrie, and there was a lot more that 56 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: was going on with her. Then the fact that she 57 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: had an st it was actually three STDs that she 58 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: claimed he gave her, and then she never sued, but 59 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: her family from Ireland sued post mortem. But right now 60 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: we are learning Jim Carrey has been cleared in this 61 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: wrongful death lawsuit launched by her Irish family, the family 62 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: of his ex girlfriend, after Jim Carrey's lawyer proves she 63 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: was trying to blackmail him with forged STD test results. 64 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: Now the family sue Carrey, claiming he was responsible for 65 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: Katharina's death. That's been thrown out. She claimed he gave 66 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: her three STDs, but Jim Carrey's lawyer finds these medical 67 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: records were actually used to blackmail Jim Carrey, whoa White's 68 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: family also claims carry gave her the drugs she used 69 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: to kill herself. You know, Alexis is stunning because this 70 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: lawsuit for millions and millions of dollars has potentially anyway 71 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: has been dragging on against Jim Carey. He's been dragged 72 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: through the mud that he would mistreat his girlfriend this way, 73 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: give her three STDs and then dump her. It's been 74 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: going on forever. It's really given him a black eye. 75 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: But now it turns out none of it's true. Alexis, 76 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: and everybody really was on her side. Everybody thought that 77 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: Jim this really turnished his reputation. People thought that he 78 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: would be so cruel to this young girlfriend that he 79 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: would give her this STD and then dump her and 80 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: then never never speak to her again, and then when 81 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: things were so bad that she committed suicide. So it 82 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: has been something that has He hasn't really had a career. 83 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: He's done a few movies here and there, but nobody 84 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: has done anything except focus on this girl's death. You know. 85 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: The actor's lawyer apparently has now proven that Katharina Waine, 86 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: the former girlfriend, forged medical records to kill look like 87 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: she had no STDs before meeting Jim Carrie. As you know, 88 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: he is now claiming the Irish makeup artist blackmailed him 89 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: overclaims he gave her her piece. He says he paid 90 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: her an undisclosed sum in two thousand thirteen just to 91 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: make it go away. You know, Ashley Wilcott, your very 92 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,119 Speaker 1: first question was, well, if all of this is not true, 93 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: why did he pay her off in two thousand thirteen? Right? Sure, 94 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: But I think it's a risk benefit analysis because let's 95 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: assume there's anything that he doesn't want the public to 96 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: know about his private life. Right, Like any famous person, 97 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: she knows everything about him. So while he may know 98 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: it's not true. He may say to himself, it's easier 99 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: for me to pay her off and give her some 100 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: money than risk her being a vindictive girlfriend or ex 101 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: girlfriend and sharing things with the PubL like that. I 102 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: don't want the public to know, not that he'd given 103 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: her a disease that's not true, but anything else that 104 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: might be true that he wanted to keep private. Now, 105 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: as it turns out, Jim Carey's lawyer, Raymond Boucher bo 106 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: U C h e R. Discovers that kathry Onner White, 107 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the makeup artist, edited patient information. I forged it on 108 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: a friends two thousand and eleven sexually transmitted disease test 109 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: to make it look like the medical records were her own. 110 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, who would think to question a medical record? 111 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: But this lawyer, you know, having nowhere else to go, 112 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: decided to investigate. This makeup artist had been dating Carey 113 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: for about three years, use the friends medical records, changing 114 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: the name and date on them, and then then when 115 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: he was on the trail, apparently to Indy Patrick, Southern 116 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, joining us you know, how to prove a case, 117 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: he then was like a dog after a bone. He 118 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: started searching text from the dead girlfriend to this unnamed 119 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: friend to show she asked the friend to get her 120 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: medical records from Planned Parenthood. One of those texts, Wendy Patrick, 121 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: actually says, I need to see the layout. I will 122 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: need to work on it before I give it to him. 123 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: WHOA that torpedoes the case? Yeah, you know, Nancy. One 124 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: of the things that distinguishes this story from so many 125 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: others that we hear is that you're right and that 126 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: many people took the victims side at first because they 127 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: saw it from the perspective of a young makeup artist 128 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: dating a wealthy, well known funny man that was beloved 129 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: in the industry at the time, and we naturally took 130 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: her side. So when we're looking at this paper trail 131 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: of text messages where she's talking to her friend about 132 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: forging records to blackmail Carrie, the whole case turns on 133 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: its head, and all of a sudden, there are kudos 134 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: for this lawyer for, like you say, being relentless and 135 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: following this trail doing everything he can to clear his client. 136 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: He certainly earned his money on this case and did 137 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: in fact prove that those were forged records for blackmail. Purposes. Well, 138 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: we all recall that last year Jim Carrey, you know, 139 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood icon, claims that Katharina had threatened to go to 140 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: the press with false claims he gave her STDs unless 141 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: he paid her quote millions of dollars. You know, Uh, 142 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Karen start New York psychologists. I guess when you're at 143 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: the level of Jim Carrey, I mean, who can you 144 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: date that's not going to try to use you? And 145 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: she was I guess scorned. He broke up with her, 146 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: and she was angry, and this was her get back. Well, 147 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: and he's he really has to be very careful because 148 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: take a look at what everyone is saying, Nancy, Well, 149 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: everyone is saying that they were they really felt sympathy 150 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: for her. They sought her as a victim because he 151 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: was this powerful person, and yet he was ripe to 152 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: be preyed upon. Because you have to be very careful 153 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: who you date, understanding whether they are after you because 154 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: you're a celebrity or because they want to know you 155 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: as a person. Do they have a troubled past. It's 156 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: very difficult to be in the public eye and to 157 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: know who to trust. You know, Ashley Willcott, I'm just 158 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: looking at some of the texts. She apparently didn't just 159 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: forge medical records to blackmail Jim Carrey and really dragging 160 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: through the mud ruined his good name out his sex life. 161 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: But she texted all these texts. Actually, I'm looking at 162 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: them right now. She's saying, I'm still kind of sick, 163 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: but I'm fine. I got a couple of bumps down 164 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: there again. I felt them this morning, so I want 165 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: to get it checked. Uh. And Jim Carrey is like, 166 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: I hope you're okay. Then she writes again. She says, 167 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I understand you're worried. Imagine how I'm feeling right now. 168 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm the one that should be three freaking out. If anything, 169 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure, Uh, it's just the abrasion thing you were 170 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: talking about. I hope you're okay, honey. It could be 171 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: from someone before me. It doesn't show up until you're 172 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: really stressed. Most likely something else. Feel better, Um, you know. 173 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Then she keeps writing, and in the midst of writing 174 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: about her STD pain, she says, I wake up and 175 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: go to sleep hoping you are doing good. I don't 176 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: even think your attention was on it in the slightest 177 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: I'm out of sight I'm staying quiet. I am invisible. 178 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: I no longer matter. I get it, but it doesn't 179 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: mean I'm not going through it and I still exist. Listen, 180 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: she's clearly mixing it all up with her pain from 181 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: being scorned, right, and you don't you know, I don't 182 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: want to speak ill of the dead, but honestly, when 183 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: you read those texts, that makes so abundantly clear that 184 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: she is a manipulative in doing everything she can to 185 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: extort whatever she can from this man. You know, she 186 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: looks so sweet and innocent. The bombshell right now. Jim 187 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Carrey movie Hollywood TV Icon. I mean, I remember this 188 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: guy all the way back to in Living Color, and 189 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: I loved him, loved him then. That's when I first 190 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: found out about Jim Carrey. And the reason I love 191 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: him today is because I can play some of his 192 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: movies for the children and I don't have to send 193 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: him out of the room like everything else on TV. 194 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you, I don't know what this 195 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: means Karen start, But when this all first came out 196 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: that he had allegedly given her an t D and 197 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: dumped her and she committed suicide, I felt so bad 198 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: for her. But I felt I couldn't believe it, because 199 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: you know how we feel like we know people we 200 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: watched on TV all the time. I thought I knew 201 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Jim Carrey. Nothing could be further from the truth. Well, 202 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: of course, I mean, we identify with our celebrities and 203 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: we've followed their lives, look at the Kardashians. But the 204 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: truth is, in this case, this very beautiful, innocent looking 205 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: girl could not deal with the fact that he was 206 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: going to take her out of his life, that she 207 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: was heartbroken, and that whole thing that she keeps saying 208 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: about being invisible without him in her life. She was 209 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: feeling like she didn't matter anymore, that she wasn't a person. 210 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: She kept needing to find a way to get his attention. Unfortunately, 211 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: somebody gave him very bad advice and told him to 212 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: pay her off. Wendy Patrick, You've got to hear this letter. 213 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: Alexis terres Check joining me this morning from Radar online 214 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: dot Com. Alexis, listen to this. This is a letter 215 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: written by Catchery on a white found after her suicide. 216 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: It was on her iPad. She writes, you have not 217 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: thought about the stigma I have to live with the 218 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: rest of my life. You have not apologized or once 219 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: asked is there something you can do to make it better, 220 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: or even felt bad about it, or ask me how 221 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm feeling. Instead, you did a whole lot of screaming 222 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: and turned it around on me. Have you even once 223 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: sat down and thought how this really affects me? I 224 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: still love you. I believe you sent me that text 225 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: because you cared about me. I was going to tell 226 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: my lawyer. I didn't want to go any further with 227 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: it when I realized you changed lawyers and were advised 228 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: to text me. It probably wasn't coming from you at 229 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: all at all the decent thing to do. What is 230 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: that I think about keeping quiet and private about it 231 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: when I want to scream from the rooftops. You know 232 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: what I want and it's nothing to do with money. 233 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on about making him 234 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: feel bad, making him feel awful, alexis torres check And 235 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: now it turns out the whole thing is a line. 236 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: She completely went to the most extreme after they he 237 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: broke up with her. They had a very a few 238 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: year relationship. Honestly, they were very under the radar, the 239 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: two of them. They weren't walking red carpets together, doing 240 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: a lot of things in public. So when he broke 241 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: up with her, it was her ticket to Hollywood. It 242 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: was everything, the biggest star in Hollywood that you're dating, 243 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: and he cut her off completely from that life that 244 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: she still wanted. She didn't want to let him go. 245 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: And that's what she writes. It's not even the money 246 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: she wants. She wanted him still. But you can't make 247 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: somebody love you. So she got a lawyer involved. And 248 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: then she admits in that letter that you just read 249 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 1: that she was manipulated. She felt she was manipulated by him, 250 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: except she was the one doing the manipulation. She's the 251 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: one that forged the documents. Listen to what Jim Carrey says. 252 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: Listen to this. I will not give in a second 253 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: time to these same fraudulent charges initiated by Cat's husband 254 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: in name but not substance, Mark Burton, and her estranged mother. 255 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Nor am I responsible for what these desperate characters have 256 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: inadvertently unearthed about the woman I adored. I was clearly 257 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: blinded by my affection. Regardless, I will hold a place 258 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: of empathy and forgiveness for Cat and continue to focus 259 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: on the many blessings in this life. 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This is 296 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: crime stories, stunning developments. Thank you for being with us. 297 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: Let's kick it off right now in the Handyman calls nine. 298 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: Listen and I'm on my merger emerge yes, I had 299 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: down her arm Okay, who would dog drive? Lynwood? Who 300 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: would do drive? Yes, ma'am. Okay, hold on, I'm transferring 301 00:20:53,400 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: to the rescue Apperty, get down the line one minute. Okay, Okay, 302 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: Actually he's he's actually calling calling me. Partner on the 303 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: floor in her bedroom and he got a cut on 304 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: her army dry. Who would have ever imagined it would 305 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: unfold the way it did. We know this, We know 306 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: that she was shot multiple times. Joining me right now, 307 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, Ashley Willcott, lawyer and advocate, Karen 308 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Stark Renow, New York psychologist, and Mary Hopkins Crime Stories 309 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. When the handyman who worked for the Coffin 310 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: family first came in, he didn't know what had happened. 311 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: We can tell from the nine one one call the 312 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: husband has an airtight alibi. Husband is a very well 313 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: respe acted indocrinologist there in the area Lyndon, New Jersey. 314 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: And you've got nurses, patients, secretaries, the works that place 315 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: him at work. You know, we always look at the 316 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: husband first airtight alibi. He says she was asleep with 317 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: a pillow over her head when he left early that 318 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: morning to Karen Stark, why is the husband or the 319 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: partner always the first suspect. Well, he's closest to the 320 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: woman that's killed, to his wife, and there's usually a motive. Well, 321 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: the reality is that statistically, Karen Stark, Karen joining me 322 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: from New York today, Statistically, it normally is the partner, 323 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: the husband, the wife, the girlfriend, the boyfriend, the ex Statistically, 324 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: that's normally who commits the murder. That's why police look 325 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: at him first. But again, he had an airtight alibi. 326 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: So let's move forward with what we know. We know 327 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: he has this alibi. She's dead. The daughter, Kim Pack 328 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: always suspected her stepfather, Dr. Kaufman, no matter the alibi, 329 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: no matter the secretaries and the customers and the patients 330 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: and this and that saying he was here. She always 331 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: suspected her stepfather. Take a listen to this. My mom. 332 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: April Kaufman was murdered in her home May two thousand 333 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: and twelve. Not a day goes by where I do 334 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: not think about her, miss her terribly and wish that 335 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: charges were filed against the individual responsible for her murder. Recently, 336 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: I was brought into a federal lawsuit that is based 337 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: upon my stepfather, Dr James Kaufman, seeking life insurance money 338 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: from policies ensuring my mother's life. This is a very 339 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: serious matter, and I, along with my attorneys at Darcy 340 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: Johnson Day, have given careful consideration to what is at stake. 341 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: This morning, through my attorneys, I've filed paperwork in federal 342 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: court to stop Dr Kaufman from obtaining the money. I've 343 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: purposely tried to avoid directly talking about what happened. But 344 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: now after being brought into this lawsuit, I have no 345 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: choice to respond and to begin to fight for what 346 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: I know is right. I can no longer sit back 347 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: and allow what I perceive as an injustice to occur. 348 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: I know that my mom would not want me to 349 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: sit back any longer. You know, Ashley Willcott, lawyer and 350 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: child advocate, Is there just an inherent distrust of any 351 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: step parent? Well, um, I don't. Maybe to be honest, 352 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: maybe because you don't have the same trust and bond 353 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: that you might with your own biological parent that you've 354 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: been raised with or no at the difference right, and 355 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: so I do think there may be um And statistically, unfortunately, 356 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: there are a number of crimes when they're committed that 357 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: are done by stepparents, boyfriend's girlfriends. Well, as I said, 358 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: stunning developments right now. Police then began to focus not 359 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: on Kaufman's alibi, but on his financial doings. Wendy Patrick, 360 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: Southern California prosecutor with incredible track record. They couldn't come 361 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: up with an answer. They couldn't find out who was 362 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: the triggered person. Of course, they first looked at the handyman. 363 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: He's there on the scene with a dead body. He 364 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: calls nine one one. Then they look at the husband. 365 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: No good, no forced entry. Nobody could figure out what 366 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: was happening. And in this ritzy neighborhood, of course, nobody 367 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: saw a thing. So Wendy Patrick, the prosecutor starts, you know, 368 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: time is passing, the body has been buried, the funeral 369 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: has been had, the daughter is grieving and seeking vengeance 370 00:25:52,720 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: as she should. They start digging into Dr Kaufman's finance. Says, 371 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, as they always say, follow the money, Wendy Patrick, 372 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: what happened? I love it, Nancy, and you you stole 373 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: my line. You probably said it better, absolutely right, follow 374 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: the money. You know you talk about why you might 375 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: look at a spouse emotion and access, and those two 376 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: things necessarily sometimes include the money, whether it's going to 377 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: divorce settlement, whether it is a threat to expose the 378 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: something that's bigger that the spouse knows about. But it's 379 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: one of those things where you don't have to be 380 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: personally president of crime. Seemed to be the suspect, or 381 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: to actually be the one that did it as in 382 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: this case, so the prosecutors, they just were tenacious and 383 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: following that money trail, and as they did so, more 384 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: and more clues came to light. It was a great investigation, 385 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: and I know it's frustrating, but justice delay does not 386 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: have to be justice denied, because eventually they found their man, 387 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: much to the delight of the daughter who finally is 388 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: going to find a measure of justice here. And what's 389 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: so incredible in this case Ashley Willcott, lawyer, an advocate. 390 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: You know, when I think of my doctors, they're always 391 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: so formal and proper and buttoned up. Nothing could be 392 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: further from the truth in this case. As it turns out, 393 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: this very proper, buttoned up, successful indo chronologist it's actually 394 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: running an illegal drug ring with who else The motorcycle gang, 395 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: the Pagan outlaws. What now, Ashley, you're not only an 396 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: advocate but a lawyer. You've picked through plenty of money trails, 397 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: as have I. Oh when I was a FED. Unlike 398 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: when I was a local prosecutor, violent crying prosecutor, and 399 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: I was a FED, they lived for money trails. Me 400 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: investigating for the FEDS was me alone in a room 401 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: full of boxes of paper. Okay, Yes, that's right. That's 402 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: how they make their cases. Not so with the state 403 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: prosecutor where you're at on the street, with the do 404 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: dealers and the prostitutes and the armed robbers finding witnesses. No, 405 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: you follow the paper trail, Ashley Wilcot, How does a 406 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: lawyer how would they find the paper trail that Wendy 407 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: Patrick was and was talking about? I mean, how do 408 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: you get in there and find out a motive for murder? 409 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: Amongst the boxes of paper? You look for the bank accounts, 410 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: for deposits, for receipts of money. You look at the 411 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: business transactions, because that money is necessarily coming in and 412 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: going out of some accounts that you get a subtena. 413 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: You get to those records and you go through them 414 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: and like you said, it's tedious. It's a lot of work. 415 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: They've done a bang up job. Well, I'll tell you what, Ashley. 416 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: The whole time after April Kaufman was found gunned down 417 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: in her room. You know, in my head, I'm like, 418 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: the husband did it. Of course he did it. But 419 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: as it turned out, with that airtight alibi, I was flummixed. 420 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Of course, I kept screaming, where is the where is 421 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: the us? It took a long time, but when they 422 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: started digging through what they believed to be a paper trail, 423 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: they came upon no other than the head of the 424 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: Pagan Outlaws motorcycle gang. So they go to Dr Kaufman's 425 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: very pristine, very popular, very posh, upscale medical clinic, and 426 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: what happens to Mary Hopkins Crime Stories investigative reporter. When 427 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: they get there just for a search warrant. Nobody's going 428 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: to get arrested. They just want to go through his 429 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: financial records. What goes down, Mary Hopkins? James Kaufman met 430 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: him at the door and said he had a gun 431 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: in his hand. He said, I'm not going to jail 432 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: for this, and he had a nine millimeter handgun. He 433 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: never pointed it at police. But he threatened to kill himself, 434 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: so police there was no standoff. As a matter of fact. 435 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this sound of the standoff. Now, 436 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: remember police get there just to execute a search warrant 437 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: to go through his medical financial records. He begins wildly 438 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: brandishing a gun, threatening to kill himself, once again holding 439 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: himself hostage. Karen Stark, I'll get with you on that 440 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: in a moment, but listen to the standoff as it 441 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: goes down. Thanks, what are you doing? Thanks? Stupid questions 442 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: on the last week, doll coming back, come back, coming back. Now, 443 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: hold on, it's coming out. It's coming out. District five, 444 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: District five. We got one gun point. We have one 445 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: at gun point. Dr James Calfman, I have won a 446 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: gun point, Dr James calf And he has a weapon. 447 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: Drop the gun. Drop the gun. Hey dropped the gun. 448 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: Drop the gun, sir, drop the gun. Just drop drop 449 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: the gun. Let's talk, sir, Just drop the gun. War 450 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: we have such war. Listen in your half your car person, 451 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. Yes, I'm not going to the weapon. 452 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: Day drop the weapon. Listen, let's talk. Listen, let's talk, sir. 453 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: Watch this window, Watch this window. Watch this window, District five. 454 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: We have a barricaded subject inside. He's gotta hang him 455 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: to the room. We're at a Dr James Coffin's office, Nancy. 456 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: The standoff with police lasted just over six minutes. Sending 457 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: included repeated exchanges like this with the authority. Listen, just 458 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: drop the weapon. Listen, let's talk all. It is a 459 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: search one. It's a search warrant. It's a search one. 460 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: There's a search warr's right here, right by the bush, 461 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: right by, right by the bush. It's a search warrant. 462 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: It's a search warrant, the search war for medical stuff. 463 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: To chill out. This isn't arrested them. You're not getting arrested. Listen, 464 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: don't have a guy. We don't have We're gonna be 465 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: a medical office. Look at the search warts. The standoff 466 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: ended as Dr Kaufman exited his practice, with police shouting 467 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: instructions to him during his arrest. The curve, the curve. 468 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: Now it's been around. Please by your door, Sae your 469 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: door handside, Alan Duke, How in the hey did we 470 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: manage to get our mits On the sound of the 471 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: standoff as it went down in Coffin's medical clinic. It's 472 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: our good old friend, the body camp. There were plenty 473 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: of cops around, they had them, and so we've got 474 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: this incredible video. So they go in to execute the 475 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: search want and you know what, as Shakespeare said, me 476 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: thinks thou doth protest too much. You know, if the 477 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: cops show up at my door and say I want 478 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: to see your your financial records for last year, I 479 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: would say, you know what, have at it if you 480 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: can find them. This guy begins brandishing a weapon, waiving 481 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: a weapon wiley, a nine millimeter, his office full of patients, nurses, clerical, 482 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: threatening to kill himself. Karen Stark, you're gonna kill yoursel 483 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: elf or shoot a cop because they want to look 484 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: in a box of financial records. Well, right there, that 485 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: shows that he's trying to hide something, Nancy, And what 486 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: is he doing with that gun to begin with? And 487 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: you think about this upstanding, supposedly doctor, and he had 488 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: this whole dark side to him where he needed more money, 489 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: this connection with a gang, And it doesn't surprise me 490 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: that they come up to arrest him and he reveals 491 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: who he really is to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, with 492 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: an incredible record, Wendy, this is not what you expect 493 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: when you just execute search warrant. I mean, have you 494 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: ever seen the show Cops? When I was at Court 495 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: TV that started showing it some at night. That's the 496 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: first time I was ever exposed to it. You know, 497 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 1: they played the bad boys, Bad Boys, what You're gonna do? 498 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: That whole thing and the Cops. It would show a 499 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: guy sitting sitting in his easy chair watching TV and 500 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: the to just start running through the house and you 501 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: just sit there and keep watching TV. You'd never get 502 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: out of his easy share, Okay. And I love that scene. 503 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: That's the search for being executed, the cops just running 504 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: past them behind him. He's like, hey, hey, dude, here 505 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: Coughlan grabs a gun and threatens to kill himself. Wendy Patrick, 506 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: that raid of financial records lead to the most stunning 507 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: twist in the murder of April Cofflin. I never expected it. 508 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: What did they find, Wendy, Right, Well, they found it 509 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: in some a lot of the information they were seeking. 510 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: And part of the problem for this doctor was the 511 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: way he responded when they served the warrant. And you're 512 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: so right on the money when it comes to how 513 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: would you respond if you either didn't realize why the 514 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: cops were there or didn't have anything to hide, you 515 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: would probably think that you'd have a much more measured response, 516 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: particularly because this was during the day when the clinic 517 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 1: was open. This wasn't the middle of the night raid 518 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: or a pre dawn raid as you sometimes see, especially Nancy, 519 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: as you know on the federal side. So they took 520 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: all that into consideration in deciding whether or not they 521 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: were going to move forward on the case. Because, as 522 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: we know, reaction is huge. It's one of the reasons 523 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: we have to interview people in person rather than send 524 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: them a set of interrogatories to answers. You want to 525 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: see that real life response because it really is telling 526 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 1: as to whether or not somebody has in fact nothing 527 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: to hide or here is going to lead you to 528 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: some of the information you're seeking. And this is where 529 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: it landed. This upstanding and very well respected New Jersey 530 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: doctor had been running an illegal prescription opioid drug ring 531 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: I'm talking about OxyContin, oxycodone, all the street names for that, 532 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: with a motorcycle gang. Now, obviously at some point he 533 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: had come into contact with one of the gang members 534 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: and that started the whole thing. This is how it 535 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: went down. The gang would send him, actually, the head 536 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: of the Pagan Outlaws allegedly would send Dr Kaufman a 537 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: quote patient. The patient would get a free prescription and 538 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: just write him a script for opioids, say OxyContin. That 539 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: outlaw would then go Pagan Outlaw motorcycle gang would then 540 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: go and say he'd have a hundred oxyconton pills, two 541 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: hundred maybe a six month supply and he goes sell 542 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: them on the street. If he got the prescription, he 543 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: would get a kickback of a thousand dollars. A thousand 544 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: dollars Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, that's a drop in the 545 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: bucket of what you could sell two hundred oxyconton for 546 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: on the street. Yeah, you know, you gotta. I mean now, 547 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: one of the things about drug sales is you've got 548 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: to know your customer. You've got to know the market price, 549 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: the going rate. But yeah, when it comes to drug sales, 550 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: especially as you know, on the federal side, the penalties 551 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: can be sky high, and one of the things you 552 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: look at is what kind of a profit were you making. 553 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: We live in a day and age in an opioid 554 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: epidemic when we have in the last five or six years. 555 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: But you know, back in the days, sometimes we're surprised 556 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: at what pills sold for on the street. Nonetheless, this 557 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: is a very lucrative enterprise. And following the money trail 558 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: in this case is what led to some of the 559 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: financial exploitation that made this good doctor look very, very guilty, 560 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: and especially in combination with everything else they were learning about. 561 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: So here's Dr James Kaufman with the mansion, a gorgeous wife, 562 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: local popular dj um, beautiful woman, the step daughter, that 563 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: gorgeous home, the everything, his own private practice, a medical clinic. 564 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: But he wanted more money, Karen Stark, you know, the 565 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: love not money, but the love of money said to 566 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: be the root of all evil. He just couldn't get 567 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: enough money, Karen. And that's following the money again, Nancy. 568 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: He really was a greedy man. Something was empty inside 569 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: of him. You would think with his practice and his popularity, 570 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: there would be no need for him to be involved 571 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: in anything that was illegal, and yet he needed to 572 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: have more and more and more. And the reality is 573 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, the wife, had found out about April Kaufman 574 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: and said, either you divorce me and I take half 575 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: our money, or I'm exposing your drug ring. And that 576 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,439 Speaker 1: is when the murder happened, because it's not just about 577 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: Kaufman running a prescription opium that's you know, that's a 578 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: derivative of heroin, the poppy opioid drug ring with a 579 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: motorcycle gang. When she threatened to leave him, he didn't 580 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: want to part with half of his financial empire. He 581 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: would rather have her dead. The problem with her divorcing him, 582 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: she either exposed the drug ring or he would be 583 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: exposed to a financial forensic expert and they would find 584 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: all this money. So apparently his only alternative was to 585 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: have her killed. Now another six people connected to the 586 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: Pagan Outlaw motorcycle gang charged with racketeering and the drug 587 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: ring and connected to the killing, we believe, And in 588 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: the midst of all this, Kaufman ends up dead by suicide. 589 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: Ashi Wilcott, do you believe that you think he really 590 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,959 Speaker 1: killed himself? I don't know, but I have to say 591 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: it is about the money, but there's more going on. 592 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: It's his psyche because not only is it about the 593 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: money that he got by selling the oxy cot and 594 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: it is the dark side it is working with the 595 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: motorcycle gang, and people don't normally resort to murder because 596 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: someone wants to divorce them and take half of their money. 597 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: So there's a whole lot more going on with this 598 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: man up there and his long story short, the raid, 599 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: the raid on the medical clinic ends in charges not 600 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: only for the drug ring this upstanding doctor was connected 601 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: to was actually the ring leader of with a motorcycle gang, 602 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: but to murder. Listen today, James Kaufman, age sixty nine, 603 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: and Ferdinand Agello, age sixty two, were charged with murder 604 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: in connection with the death of April Caufin, in addition 605 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: to racket heering relating to the illegal distribution of narcotics 606 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: through Caufman's former medical practice. Additionally, Agello is charged with 607 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy the murder of James M. Couchman. Upon information and 608 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 1: lead known to my office, an individual named Francis Frank 609 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: Mulholland was paid a sum of money to kill April 610 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: Cauf almost eighteen months after April Coufman's murder. Frank Mulholland 611 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: died in October of two thousand thirteen. By at the time, 612 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: what was determined to be an accidental drug overdose. Through 613 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: our investigation, we determined that a long term alliance between 614 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: members of the Pagan Outlaw motorcycle Gang and James Kaufman 615 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: was created for the mutual financial game through the use 616 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: of Calkin's medical practice for a legal drug distribution. This 617 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: relationship ultimately culminated on May tenth, two thousand twelve, with 618 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: the murder for hire of April Cautman. Prior to two 619 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, defendant Kaufman and Ferdinand Algello had a relationship 620 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: which centered around the medical practice, and then the summer 621 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: of two thousand eleven, James Kaufman solicited Algello to murder 622 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: his wife. Listen to the daughter who Never gave up, 623 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,279 Speaker 1: Kimberly Pack. As you can imagine, today is a very 624 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: very difficult day for me and for my family. UM, 625 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,400 Speaker 1: a lot of mixed emotions. UM. As a victim, you know, 626 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: May ten, two thousand and twelve, forever changed my life. 627 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: I have been waiting patiently for justice, and today I 628 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: was lucky enough to be granted justice. I do understand 629 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: that this is going to be a very long process, 630 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: and this is by no means over I think for 631 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: the first time today, I can actually breathe. For the 632 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: past five and a half years, I have felt I 633 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: felt like I've been holding my breath on a daily basis. 634 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't even begin to describe to you today, UM, 635 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: the emotions that I feel. I feel like I'm standing 636 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: before you and I'm shaking. I I want to really 637 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: take time to thank my attorneys here at Darcy Johnson 638 00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: Day and most importantly, these two men that stand beside me. UM. 639 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: They have been like my guardian angels. They stood by 640 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: me when it wasn't popular and when UM, you know, 641 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: I didn't really know that I was ever going to 642 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: obtain justice. They have fought for me since day one, 643 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: and I am forever grateful for these two gentlemen. UM, 644 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: this firm has believed in me and allow me the 645 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: platform to speak up and stand up for justice for 646 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: my mom. I also want to thank you guys in 647 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: the media for not allowing this story to ever dissipeate. UM. 648 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: When you are a victim of a crime, there's no handbook. 649 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: You're not really sure which direction to go, how to 650 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: UM navigate. UM. Sometimes the legal system can be quite challenging, 651 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 1: and UM, you know each and every one of you 652 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: that has always um reached out to me, tried to 653 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: keep the story alive. I really really appreciate it, and UM, 654 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 1: I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I 655 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: also want to thank everyone that has provided kind words, prayers, um, books, flowers, 656 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: you name it. Um, all these gifts that have been 657 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: bestowed upon me. I'm very lucky. I'm very lucky to 658 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 1: have such communal support, and I will cherish that more 659 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: than uh than any of you realize. Even from a 660 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: kind word, a gesture of putting your hand on me, 661 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: telling me that you're with me, it really means a 662 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,319 Speaker 1: lot to me. UM. I really am at a loss 663 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: for words, probably for once in my life. UM. For 664 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: what else to say, UM, but thank you for taking 665 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: the time to Wendy Patrick. You just heard the daughter. 666 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: It's so happy to seek justice in her mother's murder. 667 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, it ain't over yet. After he's charged with 668 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: murder the husband, what about the trigger man? The trigger 669 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,799 Speaker 1: man turns out to be a guy named Joseph Mulholland, 670 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: also a member of the Pagan Outlaws. Then, amazingly, isn't 671 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: it true Joseph Mulholland, the trigger man who says, who 672 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: was uh Joseph Mulholland, who claims he was given twenty 673 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: dollars a gun and driven to April Kaufman's mansion that morning. 674 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,959 Speaker 1: He's dead too of an overdose. What a coinkie dink. 675 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: The only people tying the motorcycle gang to this murder 676 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: are dead. The trigger man, Mulholland is dead. And now 677 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: in the last hours we learned Dr Kaufman's found dead 678 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: in his jail cell. Yeah, I'll tell you this is 679 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: so fishy. And you know, it's one thing to talk 680 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: about gangs and drugs and money, and when you put 681 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: everything together, Nancy, you've got a perfect storm not only 682 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: for murder of the primary victim, but also sometimes murder 683 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: of the collateral witnesses. And now when you look at 684 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 1: this case in retrospect and people that dies along the way, yes, 685 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,840 Speaker 1: you could argue, well, gosh, when you're involved in the 686 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,320 Speaker 1: dark side and drugs and money and all of that 687 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: goes along with that lifestyle, you're more likely to have 688 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: a hit put on you. But on the other hand, 689 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: when you look at the motive for these people either 690 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: committing suicide or as is suspected, being murdered. You can 691 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: see where there's lots of motivation to actually believe that's 692 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: the way it went down. Not that you need to 693 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: necessarily prove motive to prove murder, but boy, it's sure help. Well, 694 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Mulholland dies of a drug overdose pretty 695 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: quickly after the murder of April Kaufman. Then Kaufman. Dr 696 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: Kaufman goes to jail. Now we have learned because the 697 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: head of the motorcycle gang as a chatty cathy he 698 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: taught to a guy that was wired up, there was 699 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,760 Speaker 1: already a hit on Dr. Kaufman. He goes to jail, 700 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: he gets another death threat. They moved into another jail, 701 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 1: He gets a death threat, and then he's found based 702 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: down dead, asphyxiated in his own bed. The wardens say, oh, 703 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: we just thought it was asleep to Wendy Patrick. I mean, 704 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: you've got all these death threats you've got to hit 705 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: out on you. You're the only witness connecting back to 706 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: a motorcycle gang. You don't think that gang has friends 707 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: on the inside of that jail house. Oh you bet 708 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,919 Speaker 1: they do. And that's one thing that we've all got 709 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,760 Speaker 1: to remember is Simply because somebody is in jail doesn't 710 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: necessarily mean they're not going to be either a defendant 711 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: or a victim in this case. You know, that's one 712 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: of the reasons that prisons want to make sure they 713 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: keep an eye not only on people with gang ties 714 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: on the outside world, but also on people that they 715 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: already know might be targeted. And that's one of the 716 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: tragedies in a story like this, where there is this 717 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: suspected at least motive that you can get this guy, 718 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: regardless that he's in and out of custody and no 719 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: matter where he is. But didn't wasn't there some help involved? 720 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,760 Speaker 1: Is it that easy to pick off somebody when they're 721 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: in custody. It just makes the case more interesting, but 722 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: it also makes the case more deadly and more frightening 723 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: for other people in similar scenarios where they might be 724 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: the only percipient witness left to a murder like that. 725 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 1: The Knee Jersey doctor who orchestrated the murder of his wife, 726 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: his radio host wife to stop her from exposing his 727 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: biker gang drug ring, has apparently killed himself. Does that 728 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: main awe prosecution of the Pagan outlaws has gone straight 729 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: down the tebes absolutely not. And you know, lots of 730 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: cases involved witnesses becoming unavailable and all that does Evidentiarily sometimes, 731 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: as you know, Nancy, is makes other evidence admissible that 732 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been. So there are lots of creative ways 733 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: that prosecutors can get around witnesses being unavailable, and that'll 734 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: be what we always actually what we always look at 735 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,879 Speaker 1: when we lose a witness, even a victim, Nancy. There's 736 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: lots of times that people think, gosh, well, we'll just 737 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: do away with this person. Yet we can still bring 738 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: that testimony to life, either through others or through what 739 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: the person said before they die. We are on the 740 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: case and watching as hopefully justice unfolds. Her husband, the 741 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: good doctor is not the only one with blood on 742 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: his hands. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, Goodbye friend,