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Speaker 4: as soon as we get on the show, breaking news
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys have made a trade. Gentlemen, whoa Dak
Speaker 4: Prescott is on his way to Cleveland and you got
Speaker 4: a first round pick?
Speaker 5: You got another first round and I'm just kidding it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Happy April fools, everybody.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 4: I had to pick something that was so outlandish that
Speaker 4: nobody would ever believe that it could possibly Prescott going
Speaker 4: to the Cleveland Browns, I would never in a million
Speaker 4: years happen. So I had to pick something so crazy
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't get in trouble on this platform.
Speaker 6: So crazy it just might work, Kyle, it would not
Speaker 6: such a nonsensory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, new where to go with it.
Speaker 6: I'm just starting to make I'm just start making up
Speaker 6: words for the Chicager, Shenanigan and tom Foolery that I'm.
Speaker 5: Starting all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 6: Also, all the things, just all the things life find it.
Speaker 5: YouTube comments too.
Speaker 7: By the way, we got the live stream, got the
Speaker 7: live so we got the live comments.
Speaker 5: Rolling in Randy. He says, what's up, gentlemen, what's up?
Speaker 1: Randy? What up? Randy?
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show? Yeah, welcome man. Everybody's freaking time.
Speaker 5: Goodd Isaiah back he was on Good Morning Football all
Speaker 5: last weekend.
Speaker 1: Legendary stove.
Speaker 4: I have to ask, I have to ask, you were
Speaker 4: supplexed by seth freaking rawlins, freaking freaking rollins.
Speaker 5: Are you still sore from from that moment that went
Speaker 5: viral on the internet.
Speaker 3: I had a little creak in my neck. Not gonna
Speaker 3: lie look quick, but uh, you know I went with
Speaker 3: the flow. We we did not did. We did not
Speaker 3: practice at all?
Speaker 5: Tell okay, so how did it happen?
Speaker 3: We so we met in the green room that morning obviously,
Speaker 3: and I knew something was going down when they slid
Speaker 3: a waiver form in front of me, just signed this weight.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's crazy because I'm already under contract,
Speaker 3: So what.
Speaker 1: Do I need to sign this? Signed a waiver and
Speaker 1: you signed it and they're like, so, what are you
Speaker 1: guys gonna do? It?
Speaker 3: Says like, I don't know, I have an idea. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's not gonna tell me anything. So we go out
Speaker 3: there and you know, we get out to that today
Speaker 3: set and he wanted to make sure that there was
Speaker 3: enough padding first of all, right, and he didn't want
Speaker 3: to do anything obviously that was going to put himself
Speaker 3: at risk because.
Speaker 1: We don't need wwe being he's got a career to go.
Speaker 3: Kind of Yeah, he's a main inventor of RESU.
Speaker 1: Last thing we need is him getting injured.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm thinking we're gonna like do a curve
Speaker 3: sop or something simple.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's simple.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean that's his move, that's yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: And he's like, you know, his response is he said,
Speaker 3: that's actually harder than you think.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, okay, you take that wrong.
Speaker 1: You're losing your front. Well yeah, and we don't need that,
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 5: I said simple.
Speaker 3: So so then he proceeds to start just we're in
Speaker 3: the live shot comes on and he just starts doing
Speaker 3: stuff and I'm like, okay, I'm just going with the
Speaker 3: flow here. And then he's like all right, and we
Speaker 3: can do this. And then and when I go down,
Speaker 3: you go down, When you go up, you push up
Speaker 3: my him. I'm like, okay, what's what's going on here?
Speaker 1: What a daisy?
Speaker 5: I love it?
Speaker 1: It's fun, good time.
Speaker 7: How does it feel knowing that another man was looking
Speaker 7: at you for like that half a week and said,
Speaker 7: you know what.
Speaker 1: I could zooplex? Yeah, I'm pretty light right now.
Speaker 5: I think that about Patrick all the time, you know,
Speaker 5: and you're wrong. We've have some pads over here, bro,
Speaker 5: should we do it on the show?
Speaker 1: Now? You know what? I did not see it coming. Now.
Speaker 6: If I let you suit plays, you got to let
Speaker 6: me put you in the figure four.
Speaker 7: Oh that's fine. Oh wow, that's and then I think
Speaker 7: that all a spear. And then Kyle, you can do
Speaker 7: whatever pick a move.
Speaker 3: I did not see the arkaeo straight up or cut
Speaker 3: straight to the chance. Did you guys see the RKO coming? No,
Speaker 3: I didn't see you.
Speaker 7: Never see never see it, never see watch You can't
Speaker 7: sign a waiver for that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of nowhere. It was crazy but good times amazing.
Speaker 3: Guess he's amazing.
Speaker 1: Good guy, dude, his good guy.
Speaker 4: I don't want to insult you by saying this, but
Speaker 4: you have one of the best suit games I've ever
Speaker 4: seen across the Yeah.
Speaker 5: His is better. Yeah, his suit game is unmatched. Stylis
Speaker 5: it is unbelievable. Did you my stylish.
Speaker 3: Doesn't need to know that you have a conversation, But no,
Speaker 3: I definitely got the information.
Speaker 5: Dude, his suit game was.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: When you're you're on a when you're texting back and
Speaker 3: forth with Seth freaking wrong man, not a bad deal.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, man. That's how I feel about Isaiah stan
Speaker 5: It's doctor Josh Rodriguez and Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 1: And his wife's pretty dope too. His wife's pretty dope
Speaker 1: to Yeah.
Speaker 5: You met Becky Lynch.
Speaker 3: I did not meet Becky, but the fact that he's
Speaker 3: married to Becky I think it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know the he referred to her as
Speaker 1: his wife.
Speaker 6: His wife, it's Becky Lynch, one of the all.
Speaker 1: That's my wife's favorite wrestler. They are quite equal.
Speaker 3: My wife sends me a picture of her wearing the
Speaker 3: man's shirt because that's the only T shirt she's ever
Speaker 3: ordered from d w W. She's wearing that, and I
Speaker 3: show up to set that. He's like, that's freaking awesome.
Speaker 3: He said it to Becky.
Speaker 1: Becky.
Speaker 5: All right, let's get into some news and notes.
Speaker 4: Owners meetings currently going on, and Palm Springs could be
Speaker 4: worst places to be on.
Speaker 5: A Tuesday and Wednesday throughout the week. All the coaches
Speaker 5: are out there, owners out.
Speaker 1: There speaking of a freaking stylists. Did you see the outfits?
Speaker 5: Some of them are great and some of them were
Speaker 5: just a T shirt and shorts. There's comic stuff right
Speaker 5: redoing his.
Speaker 1: Uh any redlock the most normal.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always expect him or McVay, McDaniels. They all
Speaker 1: look normally. There are some interesting selections in there.
Speaker 7: Next up, I'm talking Cowboys were ranking coaches by hotness
Speaker 7: stop five number one Brian Brian dable.
Speaker 1: He looked angry kind of act.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So with the owners meetings currently on display.
Speaker 5: In Florida, I want to know rank the shoes.
Speaker 4: What is going on down there with Stephen Jones, Brian
Speaker 4: Schottenheimer and everybody else that's wearing Hawaiian shirts and button ups.
Speaker 6: Oh well, a lot of conversation. Tommy Yarrish is down
Speaker 6: there doing some fantastic work getting hey, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know. Tommy spoke with Stephen Jones and a couple offications,
Speaker 6: spoke with Brian Shottenheimer on yesterday and tell the starting
Speaker 6: to pour and we will see how true some of
Speaker 6: these things hold to what they're saying. But one of
Speaker 6: the biggest things that stood out to me and Isaiah's
Speaker 6: going to love this, how Stephen Jones said that the
Speaker 6: Cowboys need an explosive wide receiver compliment CD He's he
Speaker 6: didn't specify and explosive running back but genty, but he
Speaker 6: did make it known that they're looking, still looking.
Speaker 3: There's only so many explosive receivers in this league. You know,
Speaker 3: mm a couple.
Speaker 6: In the draft, so wide receiver. Cowboys looking for a
Speaker 6: quote unquote explosive wide receiver. Obviously that looks like that's
Speaker 6: going to be more of a draft thing than a
Speaker 6: freegency thing at this point, especially with them having already
Speaker 6: made a couple of trades.
Speaker 5: He didn't rule out of trade.
Speaker 6: Though he did not rule out of trade for neither
Speaker 6: wide receiver we talked about this last week. He didn't
Speaker 6: rule out a possible trade for a backup quarterback. Right, So, hey,
Speaker 6: you're coming out of retirement.
Speaker 3: You have a question before you move on to your
Speaker 3: next back of quarterback that I just want to remind
Speaker 3: the people how much caps face that we have currently.
Speaker 1: Let me chick, is it fifty five ish? Am I around?
Speaker 1: Oh I'm chugging.
Speaker 3: Sorry, it is a random question. No, I think this
Speaker 3: is I think this might add to your to your
Speaker 3: point that you're.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing about the Cowboys are is that they
Speaker 6: still have because they recently pulled the trigger on the
Speaker 6: restructures on both c and Dak Prescott. So as we speak,
Speaker 6: total cap space per overthecap dot com is just under
Speaker 6: thirty five million.
Speaker 1: Thirty five million, okay?
Speaker 5: And how much for fifteen for your draft?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 5: So you got about twenty million to play with at
Speaker 5: this very moment.
Speaker 6: And still have some triggers that they could pull that
Speaker 6: they haven't pulled yet, the biggest one being Michael Parsons deal.
Speaker 6: If you get Michael Parsons deal done, then you know
Speaker 6: you're fifteen plus million dollars in cap savings this year.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that we could be possibly at fifty.
Speaker 5: Easier or more if you pulled the trigar on Michael,
Speaker 5: which which would be more like thirty five.
Speaker 3: Because you got to have fishtill for your draft liass.
Speaker 3: So you can get somebody and pay them up to thirty.
Speaker 4: Ish, you gotta fill the roster too, Remember that too,
Speaker 4: because yes, you can go.
Speaker 5: And grab whoever for thirty million and say, yeah, let's
Speaker 5: do that, but you still got to feel the rest
Speaker 5: of your roster. You got a lot of those guys.
Speaker 7: What if we get thirty one million dollar guys, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Million?
Speaker 7: Thirty one Yeah, thirty one million. That's more than draft break.
Speaker 5: I could already see the YouTube comments.
Speaker 4: You already got thirty of those guys, which is probably true.
Speaker 1: That entirely wrong.
Speaker 6: So between Stephen Jones talking about and how the Cowboys
Speaker 6: are open to another possible trade, be it backup quarterback
Speaker 6: be it an explosive wide receiver. Brian Schottenheimer said that
Speaker 6: he going into his inaugural season as head coach of
Speaker 6: the Cowboys, he wanted the front office to attack quote
Speaker 6: unquote attack this offseason from both lines of scrimmage and
Speaker 6: free agency and the draft rather trenches. So rather you
Speaker 6: agree with what the particular moves were or not that
Speaker 6: were made, the fact is they did have a lot
Speaker 6: of activity. And you can kind of credit the fact
Speaker 6: that they had a lot of activity largely because Brian
Speaker 6: Schottenheimer wanted to see some of that done, and so
Speaker 6: guys like Will McLay as well. So that's kind of
Speaker 6: where we're all right. Now, we'll see with the with
Speaker 6: the NFL Draft speeding along. Were now April first, so
Speaker 6: we're just over three weeks away from the first big day.
Speaker 1: Day one. Do it and we'll do it. What's the it?
Speaker 1: What do you want done? At twelve? What do you want?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I still and the more I've done research on the receivers, Okay,
Speaker 1: draft class.
Speaker 6: We finished, let's go before you finish that, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: I'm gonna volley something to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, would you.
Speaker 6: Wait until the draft to get that quote unquote explosive
Speaker 6: wide receiver that they're looking for, or would you just
Speaker 6: go ahead and make that move now in the three
Speaker 6: agency and or via trade. If it's me to avoid
Speaker 6: having to do so, I would sign Micah.
Speaker 1: Your answer is yes, My answer is yes, okay.
Speaker 3: My answer to sign Micah and make the explosive trade okay,
Speaker 3: and get another receive you.
Speaker 8: Have, Yes, I do have somebody. But make what division?
Speaker 8: You can say the division or a m hmm okay, okay,
Speaker 8: all right. I think with him that I think, are
Speaker 8: you willing to.
Speaker 5: Die on that hill?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, die on that? You said, die on that.
Speaker 5: Hill, on that hill?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: Just making sure you're trying to run up that hill
Speaker 5: and die on it. That's what I'm That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 5: Isaiah has a guy now.
Speaker 4: I I don't see a trade happening before the draft.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't question was what do? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure you would like to extend Micah.
Speaker 3: I don't see Micah getting done before the trade. I
Speaker 3: mean before before the draft. I don't see a trade
Speaker 3: happening before the draft. I don't see any of that
Speaker 3: happening with this organization.
Speaker 5: Anything that you want to happen most like.
Speaker 4: The mic where is the Mica deadline currently sitting at?
Speaker 4: I mean we're looking. I know he's under contract this
Speaker 4: next year. Stephen talked about it. He didn't give any
Speaker 4: indication of how close they were, how far.
Speaker 5: Away they were.
Speaker 4: Usually you can tell beforehand when you're having these conversations
Speaker 4: with the Jones family and they're kind of leading on
Speaker 4: their saying we don't really want.
Speaker 5: To talk about it because we're close.
Speaker 4: They'll kind of say like, hey, we're close, we don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about it, don't ask about it, and
Speaker 4: then something gets done quickly. They asked about it at
Speaker 4: the winter meeting or at the owner's meetings, and through
Speaker 4: that whole process, I didn't get an indication that they're
Speaker 4: even talking or close.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 6: I think the if you wanted to set a soft deadline,
Speaker 6: the first soft deadline was to try to get it
Speaker 6: done before legal tempera.
Speaker 5: Yep, that was the first one.
Speaker 1: That was the first one.
Speaker 6: Now that has come out, that's going and now it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: they've made their freegency transactions, couple of trades, et cetera,
Speaker 6: et cetera, and they have just under thirty five to
Speaker 6: thirty six million in available cap before they have to
Speaker 6: pull any other trigger. So I think from a salary
Speaker 6: cap asp pig, they also don't feel pressed about it.
Speaker 6: So I think the next soft deadline is not even
Speaker 6: really a deadline if we hold Michael true to his
Speaker 6: words that he said back in December.
Speaker 1: He said he's going to be available for O. T A's.
Speaker 6: He said he's going to be available for a voluntary
Speaker 6: mini camp. He said he's going to be in the
Speaker 6: building for mandatory and training camp because he knows well
Speaker 6: at that point he didn't know, but he said there's
Speaker 6: a possibility of a coaching change and he wants to
Speaker 6: be there for that, something he wasn't for Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 6: He wants to be able to mentor some of the
Speaker 6: new guys coming in from the draft and free agency
Speaker 6: and things like that. So if we hold Michael to
Speaker 6: his word, then really what is the next soft.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's his time is now a lion emoji
Speaker 7: like like, I think there.
Speaker 1: Was a second it needs to be they said it
Speaker 1: was a country. I think there's a secondary what'd you
Speaker 1: guys call it? Could you call it? Let's secondary deadline deadline?
Speaker 3: There's a secondary deadline that that passed, and that was
Speaker 3: that was Miles Garrett. Okay, I think Miles Garrett, you
Speaker 3: mean as far as leaves falling type. I think that
Speaker 3: was the secondary that number number.
Speaker 4: Because even Stephen alluded to that yesterday. Steven said the
Speaker 4: market in terms of ed rusher has changed over the
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks, and that's what he means. He means,
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, that number has changed things to a certain extent.
Speaker 4: And yeah, even though I and I do I said
Speaker 4: this on the fan the other day, But the way
Speaker 4: that Micah has alluded through this whole process, he wants
Speaker 4: to be here, he wants to be a part of
Speaker 4: the Cowboys. But at the same time, when you have
Speaker 4: an edge rusher that's going to reset the market, it
Speaker 4: doesn't just become about you as a player. Yes, you
Speaker 4: can go in and storm in and do what Zach
Speaker 4: Martin did and do the contract negotiations on your own,
Speaker 4: but Zach Martin wasn't always resetting the market up until
Speaker 4: the last contract of his career. Michael Parsons has a
Speaker 4: chance to reset the market, and his agents have a
Speaker 4: huge hand in that.
Speaker 5: They have a huge hand in all.
Speaker 3: Of that I think there's a couple of pawns that
Speaker 3: are in place. Obviously, we just talked about Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: his deal changing the landscape of this deal.
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't care it does. Was that number
Speaker 1: had change.
Speaker 5: It's up right, yesterday's prices is.
Speaker 1: Not today's price.
Speaker 3: And I think the other person that's in play that
Speaker 3: nobody's mentioning right now is is Trey hendricks Hendrickson.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's moved more than just Miles Garrett, because Henderson,
Speaker 6: if I'm not mistaken, Booms has more sex than even
Speaker 6: Miles Garrett does.
Speaker 1: Over the past.
Speaker 6: At their defensive Booms MVP, it's over and over here ready,
Speaker 6: it was the only.
Speaker 5: Good thing about their defense. Yeah, the defense.
Speaker 3: He's not the sexy name for whatever reason, but in
Speaker 3: terms of production, that dude is he's that guy. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, so I'm just saying, like you think about
Speaker 3: the top edge rushers in the league, Hendrickson is literally
Speaker 3: like in the top three, and he's not mentioned seemingly
Speaker 3: in the same aura as Miles Garrett as a Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean by sexy. It's like those are
Speaker 3: the sexy names, right, but in production wise, you cannot
Speaker 3: you can't scoff at what he's done. Like he's literally
Speaker 3: in that conversation with those guys, if not ahead of
Speaker 3: those guys in that conversation.
Speaker 5: So certain categories.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, So you are talking about the next the
Speaker 3: next mile market that they need to hit.
Speaker 1: They need to get it done before Henderson gets his
Speaker 1: deal done. Yeah, I agree with one. Otherwise the price
Speaker 1: is gonna get set again. Yeah, today's price Saint yesterda.
Speaker 1: Because when you.
Speaker 3: Start looking at the difference in what the deal might
Speaker 3: have been for Micah to what the deal was most
Speaker 3: likely now going to be for Micah. This deal is done,
Speaker 3: say today, which is not gonna happen most likely, but
Speaker 3: that was it looking at what twenty to twenty five
Speaker 3: million dollars difference most likely over the span.
Speaker 1: Of the deal.
Speaker 5: So it could be the longer you go.
Speaker 3: Mike is not tripping now, Mike is not tripping at
Speaker 3: all of the brinks going on. Listen, Yeah, he's under contract.
Speaker 3: Hey are you right? I'm under contract? And I think
Speaker 3: that they're probably going to test him, right, Let's see
Speaker 3: how he responds. Is he going to stay true to
Speaker 3: his word. Is he gonna be a leader? Is he
Speaker 3: going to show up in the off season to do
Speaker 3: all the things he said he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't worry, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, don't don't worry. Hra,
Speaker 1: How calls are you to get yours done? Yeah? You know,
Speaker 1: that's interesting.
Speaker 6: That's an interesting point you make, because I wonder now
Speaker 6: that I wonder with you saying that, if if that's
Speaker 6: a part of the mindset upstairs where it's like, you know,
Speaker 6: let's see if he holds true to his word, and
Speaker 6: let's see if he does show up to voluntary off
Speaker 6: season programs, and then if he does, maybe they look
Speaker 6: at it and say, Okay, this this is the Michael
Speaker 6: Parson that Michael Parsons that we're ready to give this
Speaker 6: Cornerstone money to.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? That's a legit.
Speaker 4: For sure, because if he hasn't done that initially, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's the that's the accountability and the integrity that you
Speaker 4: got this you have to show.
Speaker 5: All the time. I mean, he's the production has been there,
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: But if you turn around and you don't show up
Speaker 4: until your contracts on the line, and then you decide
Speaker 4: to show up that sends it completely different.
Speaker 3: I would like to believe that he is going to
Speaker 3: follow through on his word, even if he had no
Speaker 3: intentions on following through on his word. He's going to
Speaker 3: follow through on his word if the contract is not
Speaker 3: done yet.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: It does, so I'm going to give him a benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt that he's gonna do what he said
Speaker 3: he was gonna do. But even if he said it
Speaker 3: and had no intentions on doing it with money in
Speaker 3: the line, I'm doing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, Anything else interesting? Anything else from Steven yesterday?
Speaker 6: Not from Stephen necessarily segueing to Shoddy, Shody mentioned something
Speaker 6: that really stood out as it relates to the draft.
Speaker 6: Tommy asked a great question about BPA. How is shoddy?
Speaker 6: How is the Schottenheimer draft? You know, planned with Will
Speaker 6: McClay looking as far as BPA versus need And here's
Speaker 6: the quote directly from Brian Schottenheimer. He said, where we
Speaker 6: are Okay, we're not done in free agency. We're always
Speaker 6: looking to acquire, were always looking to compete on the
Speaker 6: personnel side of it. But I do feel like we've
Speaker 6: set ourselves up going into the draft where hey, we're
Speaker 6: sitting in a certain spot, that's the best player available.
Speaker 1: Let's go take him. End the quote.
Speaker 6: So it sounds like they're really leaning harder on BPA
Speaker 6: right now because they might feel comfortable or at least
Speaker 6: confident after the free agency moves. So then the question
Speaker 6: just becomes who is their BPA, because their BPA might
Speaker 6: not be yours.
Speaker 1: There, Isaiah's a cow.
Speaker 7: But that's what we've been talking about since we started
Speaker 7: talking about the draft, is that you have the opportunity
Speaker 7: to draft the best player available regardless of position, aside
Speaker 7: from maybe quarterback. And now that you're looking at that
Speaker 7: kind of dead in the face now because Mike is
Speaker 7: still up in the air that he was even talking
Speaker 7: about edge rushers playing like, it's like, if we're in
Speaker 7: the spot and that's the guy that's right there, you
Speaker 7: gotta take him. Yeah, And thankfully you have a trusty
Speaker 7: little guide coming to you soon on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 7: com called The Star Magazine. The Star Magazine Draft Guide
Speaker 7: is going to be available this week on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 7: dot com. Thank you, Kurt, Thank you Kyle or your
Speaker 7: incredible scouting before on eleven positions and.
Speaker 1: Despite might have you believe, Yeah, annually. This, this is
Speaker 1: where it's at.
Speaker 5: This is where and the little there's little science lab
Speaker 5: in here too. I don't know. There is a science lab,
Speaker 5: a big science some chemistry going.
Speaker 3: So maybe before going to break, we can kind of
Speaker 3: throw this out there based upon you your mock draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what position is going to be the best
Speaker 1: player available?
Speaker 4: Based upon what you project, It's probably going to be
Speaker 4: a wide receiver if I had if I'm looking at.
Speaker 1: My board, Cliffhanger, Kyle.
Speaker 4: But there's another position that could possibly be in the mix. Oh,
Speaker 4: gotta let me finish. Okay, when we come back with Cowboys.
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Speaker 4: Today's candidate and today's winner for best quote in the
Speaker 4: first segment comes from Donald because it just kind of
Speaker 4: made me chuckle. He said, Dallas needs the trade back
Speaker 4: and take Caleb Johnson, the running back from Iowa in
Speaker 4: the first round, and I said, I just chuckled because no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: From with Caleb Johnson. Caleb Johnson's a great player at
Speaker 5: forty four or seventy.
Speaker 4: Six, Maybe not in the first round. He said at
Speaker 4: number one. I'm assuming that means the round round. So
Speaker 4: Donald like the I like the player.
Speaker 5: Let's let's try and get a little more value.
Speaker 4: And I like the strategy too, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 4: more to trade up, trade down strategy. I have three
Speaker 4: scenarios for you guys, like segment, but each one of
Speaker 4: them has a good thing and each one of them
Speaker 4: has a bad thing.
Speaker 5: Pros and a con for each scenario. So we're gonna
Speaker 5: cook it up. Like most things in life, exactly, We're
Speaker 5: gonna have to make a list, we're gonna have to
Speaker 5: talk about it and go from there.
Speaker 4: All right, you started talking about Brian Schottenheimer, best player available,
Speaker 4: what's most likely to be best player available? I loved
Speaker 4: what Patrick said in that first segment because this front office,
Speaker 4: at least off of the conversations that I've even had,
Speaker 4: they view this draft differently than I view it.
Speaker 5: In certain spots, certain spots. Some of them is the same.
Speaker 4: This is a deep running back class, This is a
Speaker 4: deep defensive line class.
Speaker 5: This is an edge rusher class with a lot of
Speaker 5: heavy end talent.
Speaker 4: So even though Dallas may not have a blinking light
Speaker 4: need at edge rusher, don't be surprised if they end
Speaker 4: up taking an edge rusher in the first three rounds
Speaker 4: of this draft.
Speaker 5: However, they also, I think are looking.
Speaker 4: Internally at their cornerback spot, and I think they're looking
Speaker 4: at the cornerback spot a little bit heavier than we
Speaker 4: anticipated going into this draft because of the question marks
Speaker 4: around Diggs and the marks around the health of Kayln
Speaker 4: Carson and Deron Bland, and the depth there at corner.
Speaker 4: So while I do believe wide receiver would be the
Speaker 4: best player available on my board, his name is Teo
Speaker 4: at McMillan. He played at Arizona State out of the
Speaker 4: or excuse me, Arizona out of the Big twelve past year.
Speaker 4: He's a badass receiver and I'm all good drafting him
Speaker 4: at twelve if he's there facts, I don't know if
Speaker 4: that's the going rate right now. Across the room, I
Speaker 4: keep going back to Will Johnson from Michigan cornerback on
Speaker 4: the outside, really good player, probably a better trade down
Speaker 4: scenario in terms of value, but if you can't trade down,
Speaker 4: you might as well pick him there at twelve.
Speaker 5: Another one is Jade Barron.
Speaker 4: I don't think they love him very much just because
Speaker 4: of the length, but they think he's a great player.
Speaker 4: I think he would fit the bill in the mid teens.
Speaker 4: Kind of the same thing, but don't count out corner
Speaker 4: as a possible best player available.
Speaker 1: On their boy going into it.
Speaker 3: As much as this staff has invested into the O line,
Speaker 3: is there a scenario where the Cowboys, Because it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like any of these top teams are looking at
Speaker 3: offensive line, at least not tops five, top six picks.
Speaker 5: It's kind of a weird draft.
Speaker 3: Where it's very weird draft. It's like the most uncertain
Speaker 3: draft that we've had in very.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of red flags with offensive linemen. It's
Speaker 4: either size or health, and teams don't know where to
Speaker 4: put them all. So you may have the pick of
Speaker 4: your offensive lineman outside of maybe one or two guys.
Speaker 5: I bet you will. Campbell's up there.
Speaker 3: So do you think that there's a scenario where the
Speaker 3: Cowboys stay at twelve and grab an interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 5: And that's one of the scenarios coming up here in
Speaker 5: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Would you do that, I'm going to say I would
Speaker 1: not do it.
Speaker 3: I'm unless it doesn't seem like there's somebody that you're
Speaker 3: like gung ho about at the old line position.
Speaker 1: However, you're hearing a lot, right.
Speaker 3: You've seen what they've done in terms of offensive line coaches,
Speaker 3: office of coordinators.
Speaker 1: Right, there's been a lot of investment into the old line.
Speaker 3: And you follow up Schottenheimer's comments yesterday about the trenches
Speaker 3: right and really emphasizing how he wants to run the
Speaker 3: ball run round of you're hearing this all the time.
Speaker 3: I get the sense that they really want to be
Speaker 3: dominant in the running game. And I know if there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of attention spent on the running back position, right,
Speaker 3: And I've always been an advocate, as you guys will
Speaker 3: know that if you have the guys up front, and
Speaker 3: most running backs in this league could tote the rock
Speaker 3: behind a solid offensive line. So I get the sense
Speaker 3: that they don't want to be in the project realm
Speaker 3: in terms of trying to feel Zach Martin's role. Yep,
Speaker 3: I think that they kind of want to have a
Speaker 3: guy that they feel really good about that's a maller
Speaker 3: in there that their coaching staff that they brought in
Speaker 3: here that are all specialists at office line development, can
Speaker 3: then make sure is productive. That's I don't I wouldn't
Speaker 3: make that move, but I can see them. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be surprised if they picked O line at twelve because
Speaker 3: of the coaching staff that they have in place, and
Speaker 3: because what they continue to preach.
Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing you're talking about, a team called
Speaker 7: the Dallas Cowboys, who obviously have a lot of value
Speaker 7: in that offensive line in a position across the board.
Speaker 7: It's not something I would do, you would do maybe
Speaker 7: any of us would do I at number twelve, but
Speaker 7: you have to understand the bias that they have sure.
Speaker 4: On that position well in a success in the track
Speaker 4: record that they've had.
Speaker 5: Of course, because if.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the offensive line scenario, and I'm with
Speaker 4: you guys, I don't think I would do it based
Speaker 4: on who's there, Because I do I think there's gonna
Speaker 4: be a bonafide playmaker.
Speaker 5: And Brian Schottenheimer talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 4: He wants a bonafide playmaker at twelve, there's gonna be
Speaker 4: a guy like that, either a running back or a
Speaker 4: wide receiver, or an edge rusher, or a linebacker or
Speaker 4: a corner whoever it may be.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 4: But if the one intriguing side of this whole scenario
Speaker 4: at offensive line is if you do take a Kelvin
Speaker 4: Banks junior from Texas or you do take a a
Speaker 4: Will Campbell from LSU, four of your five offensive linemen
Speaker 4: aren't only just stud offensive lineman that you can really
Speaker 4: count on starting. And I'm talking about bb Smith geiitin. Yes,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw Tyler guy into the mix because I
Speaker 4: think he'll end up being fine. And then whoever, your
Speaker 4: next first round draft pick would be four of your
Speaker 4: five guys, and I'm not throwing Terrence Steel in this conversation,
Speaker 4: but they're also young, right, And the only reason I'm
Speaker 4: not putting Terrence Steell in that conversation, it's because he's
Speaker 4: a little bit further along and he's been in this
Speaker 4: organization since twenty twenty contract, second contract. Four of your
Speaker 4: five offensive linemen are either first round picks or quality players,
Speaker 4: and they're under the age of twenty.
Speaker 5: Five years old. That's an intriguing thought process.
Speaker 4: Whenever the board falls from whether it may, it ends
Speaker 4: up being for a brand new coach that needs to
Speaker 4: win over the next couple.
Speaker 5: Of years, and that also improves your depth behind them too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely fair. So let me let TJ.
Speaker 7: Bass brought coffee exactly? These other those are guys that
Speaker 7: you can rely on as in an in backup role.
Speaker 5: Robert Jones who you added the season, Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 6: All great points, Manster, Still he'll know it is to
Speaker 6: me let me, let me qualify it is. No, let
Speaker 6: me say in English and Spanish. No, you making an
Speaker 6: excellent point. This This is kind of a quirky draft
Speaker 6: in how at least allowed how teams are looking at
Speaker 6: interior offensive lineman. That being said, if that holds firm,
Speaker 6: then likely those guys who are going to start the
Speaker 6: fall I'm going to start to drop. So then why
Speaker 6: waste not waste twelve wrong words? Why use twelve pre
Speaker 6: position when you could probably have it at forty four?
Speaker 1: Right? And so at forty four I'm much more comfortable.
Speaker 3: Is there probably is that a probability that at forty
Speaker 3: four you're going to have some quality guys who can
Speaker 3: step in and start.
Speaker 5: No, that's that's that's stepping in and starting now.
Speaker 7: But it's not a great offensive it's not a great
Speaker 7: cterior offensive lineman class.
Speaker 1: No, that's to my point.
Speaker 3: There might if you if you go past twelve right,
Speaker 3: I say, if you trade back right.
Speaker 1: So let's look alia to this.
Speaker 3: If you take a receiver at twelve right, your next
Speaker 3: pick's at forty four. Correct, at forty four, you're not
Speaker 3: getting a starting offensive lineman based upon Kyle scouting report.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 3: However, if you trade back from twelve right to the
Speaker 3: bottom of the first maybe you still have a shot
Speaker 3: to get one of those guys that can come in
Speaker 3: and start at the offensive line.
Speaker 5: BUSI pretty good about that.
Speaker 1: You feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 6: This is where I was about to go with it.
Speaker 6: So maybe not forty four. Okay, what was my question?
Speaker 6: You said thirty five.
Speaker 4: I think there'll be some offensive lineman at the top
Speaker 4: of the second round, but they're gonna go quick.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 6: Then you finagel to get at the top of round
Speaker 6: two if you're targeting an offense, so.
Speaker 5: You're okay giving him draft capital to move up and
Speaker 5: get ane. That was less over.
Speaker 6: Let's say Gent's gone so now let's really get fun
Speaker 6: he's gone, but let's say he's gone.
Speaker 1: Cool, you know.
Speaker 5: That if he is that he's going.
Speaker 1: And say Teed's going for the sake of getting funky.
Speaker 6: Okay at twelve, At twelve, okay, both of those guys
Speaker 6: are going your then you'll better so you bail. Okay,
Speaker 6: So you trade down, you you get more capital in
Speaker 6: this year's draft, you package that with one of these compicks,
Speaker 6: because number one, you're either looking for a fourth or
Speaker 6: if you for go the fourth and you say, you
Speaker 6: know what, let's get back. Let's get to the top
Speaker 6: of the second with the collateral that we just gained
Speaker 6: with a package of what we already have. So this
Speaker 6: is what I mean when I say, well, then get
Speaker 6: funky and finesse it If tet and genty are going
Speaker 6: to twelve, bail and then start making some calls to
Speaker 6: see what kind of packaging.
Speaker 4: I like this scenario so much so that I've already
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Speaker 4: Let's finagle this thing. Get funky.
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Speaker 5: You said, get funky and finesse right the infinitis. All right.
Speaker 4: I've got three scenarios for you, and the pros and
Speaker 4: the cons I will outline for each scenario.
Speaker 5: Okay, so the pro.
Speaker 4: For this first one is that you didn't have to
Speaker 4: give up any draft capital. You're staying and picking at twelve,
Speaker 4: and your pick does not include Teteroa, McMillan, It does
Speaker 4: not include include Ash and genty. In fact, it is
Speaker 4: a rough group. You you got wiped out. This is
Speaker 4: a wipeout scenario and you have to and you got
Speaker 4: it there.
Speaker 5: Picks, Kyle, what do you mean? Why exactly?
Speaker 4: You got to stick and pick at your pick number
Speaker 4: twelve and then make a selection. If you have any
Speaker 4: questions on who's available, let me know.
Speaker 7: Yes, please tell me who is available at corner at cornerback.
Speaker 5: In this scenario, you have Will Johnson, you have pretty
Speaker 5: much anybody. I don't know, John A Baron got taken.
Speaker 4: Anybody else's Ava Man and Travis Hunter of course, so
Speaker 4: Hunter and Baron are both gone, but everybody else.
Speaker 5: Trying to fill two positions.
Speaker 7: Kyle, Yeah, yeah, good, tryon Johnson run.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Uh did he run?
Speaker 4: I don't think he did not yet? Right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It's like April fifteenth.
Speaker 5: If he runs or not, that's gonna be that's it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a big, big question.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 5: Uh. But yeah, So how about defensive end?
Speaker 1: Was I got mine?
Speaker 4: Your edge rushers that are off the board is Abdull Carter,
Speaker 4: Shamar Stewart from Texas A and m.
Speaker 1: And that's it. My pick is Mike kil Williams.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're going Mikel Willis because.
Speaker 1: Baron is gone.
Speaker 6: Okay, Baron is gone, and that I was stuck between
Speaker 6: Baron and Mikel Williams cornerback and edge rusher.
Speaker 1: He took. He took my bpa at at cornerback. So
Speaker 1: I'm going ja yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not feeling will Johnson there. Okay, let me see.
Speaker 7: Can I go with guy that have brought up to
Speaker 7: you a couple of times?
Speaker 5: Okay, Walter Nolan Ole miss Walter Nolan.
Speaker 1: It was the smile that a company that is available.
Speaker 4: So you could take Walter Nolan, will give me Walter
Speaker 4: Nolan with that pick who I'm staying at.
Speaker 5: Twelve and you're sticking and picking. What do you think
Speaker 5: in there, Isaiah? What would be your select receiver's gone receiver? Yep,
Speaker 5: TETs gone. That's the only receiver off the board.
Speaker 7: Everybody I like Michael Williams though, Yeah, that would have
Speaker 7: been mine.
Speaker 1: M hm, I don't know Ky. This is your area, bro,
Speaker 1: I need I need a receiver or O line.
Speaker 4: Receiver O line, O line, will Campbell armand Membu are
Speaker 4: both off the board. Everybody else is still available, so
Speaker 4: you could go get Josh Simmons. You could go get
Speaker 4: Kelvin Banks Junior from Texas, Greg Zabel from North Dakota State.
Speaker 1: You pick, I don't know them? Cats uh. In this scenario,
Speaker 1: to everybody in the chip, I love you, I say it.
Speaker 5: Mike kil Williams in there, are they upset about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: In this scenario, well that's a wipeout. Scenarios supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be fun and you have to he won't let me
Speaker 1: bail in the scenario.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm not letting you bail here.
Speaker 4: I would probably take Kelvin Banks just because he would
Speaker 4: be my best player available out of Texas, just because
Speaker 4: I don't like taking a wide receiver there. I think
Speaker 4: it's still a little rich for Will Johnson. I don't
Speaker 4: want to see how he runs. But it's between those two.
Speaker 4: It's between Johnson.
Speaker 7: And as you said that, Gregory literally said Banks. He
Speaker 7: said Kelvin Bank. Right, if it's a.
Speaker 4: Wipeout scenario, I'm okay with it, just because what I
Speaker 4: said earlier, you've got studs up front, and you build
Speaker 4: around it.
Speaker 5: You can make a trade, go get something else. Wait,
Speaker 5: Mason Graham's gone right, yes, okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Walter, yeah, all right. So there's the first
Speaker 4: one that's sticking.
Speaker 1: Pick.
Speaker 4: I've got two more scenarios to contend with what you
Speaker 4: just did. Okay, Okay, However, there's a pro and con
Speaker 4: at both.
Speaker 5: We're gonna start with the trade up. This is the
Speaker 5: least likely scenario. This is trading up.
Speaker 4: This is go and get an Ashton Genty. They loved
Speaker 4: them so much, but they've seen all these mock drafts
Speaker 4: where he goes to six, he ends up getting taken
Speaker 4: by the LAS Vegas Raiders. He's not available for you
Speaker 4: at twelve, so you know what, you gotta get proactive.
Speaker 1: You go get your.
Speaker 5: Guy in Ashton genty.
Speaker 4: Hey, so you flip spots with the Jacksonville Jaguars. First off,
Speaker 4: you flip spots and you overpay a little bit, so
Speaker 4: you go from five to twelve. You give them your
Speaker 4: second round pick, but you get your fourth round pick back,
Speaker 4: so you're instead of not picking in the second, you're
Speaker 4: not or excuse me, and not picking in the fourth.
Speaker 4: You're now not picking in the second round, but you
Speaker 4: have the same amount of picks. You back up seven
Speaker 4: or you go up seven spots and you get Ashtrion
Speaker 4: genty but you're not picking again until seventy six.
Speaker 1: Nos. That loved me some eshting gent.
Speaker 4: So you do have a positive that middle part of
Speaker 4: the draft that you feel pretty good about a playmaker.
Speaker 4: You're still gonna get a fourth round pick. You feel
Speaker 4: like can possibly be a impact player, but you had
Speaker 4: to give up your second round pick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, no, ye listen, So I'm sitting here for
Speaker 6: a week. I've been angry ever since that fourth round
Speaker 6: pick was giving up. Yeah, in that trade with the Panthers,
Speaker 6: I am not about now before this one, did you
Speaker 6: try to double my anger. I Am not going to
Speaker 6: sit here and be hypocritical to my own emotion and
Speaker 6: be like, oh, yeah, I'm still pissed off about the fourth.
Speaker 1: Let's give up.
Speaker 6: Let's give up the second now like no, no, no, love
Speaker 6: gent It goes without saying, I don't have to continue
Speaker 6: to stand on that table, but I'm not giving up
Speaker 6: my second round pick.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Somebody in the chat brought this up, maybe not to
Speaker 4: go get a running back, but here's the other guys
Speaker 4: that would be off the board already at five, Carter Graham,
Speaker 4: Hunter Ward, So the four guys that.
Speaker 5: You're probably you would also go get. I would go
Speaker 5: get Hunter, You would get Travis if you could. He's
Speaker 5: probably not.
Speaker 3: The only player that I would go get. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: would be shocked the only player that I would trade.
Speaker 5: Some So not genty.
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't go for j I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: in that camp running back. If he's there at.
Speaker 5: Twelve, I'm still in the camp of take him, and
Speaker 5: that's right. I just don't think that's.
Speaker 1: There if he's there at ten.
Speaker 6: I mean I'm having the conversation, even though last week
Speaker 6: was I had the pleasure.
Speaker 4: If he's there at ten, that means you missed your
Speaker 4: shot because he's going at ten.
Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of interviewing mister Barry Sanders last week.
Speaker 1: Wow, how awesome is he?
Speaker 3: Maybe quite a week, Bro Barry Sanders, and I asked
Speaker 3: him specifically about Ashton Genty and what he thought about him.
Speaker 3: He loves him, But I'm not trading up to go
Speaker 3: get a running back. I'm sorry, It's fair, no disrespected.
Speaker 3: The position is just there are a lot of very
Speaker 3: capable guys.
Speaker 4: Maybe you'll like this scenario a little bit better. So
Speaker 4: that's the trade up scenario. Where we keep that in
Speaker 4: mind whenever we compare it to our sticking pick scenario.
Speaker 5: And we're all in agreement.
Speaker 4: We don't like it, probably don't get don't get it.
Speaker 4: This is your trade down scenario.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, and let me preface it by this,
Speaker 4: and we've talked about this a little bit on the
Speaker 4: Draft show. Just because you want to trade down is great?
Speaker 5: Got it cool?
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks and says trading down is a positive thing. Right,
Speaker 4: Everybody thumbs up for trading down picking up draft picks.
Speaker 4: Not every team wants to trade up. You got to
Speaker 4: find a dance partner. You gotta find somebody that's willing
Speaker 4: to trade up with you. Less likely this year, simula,
Speaker 4: very less likely.
Speaker 5: There's no quarterbacks to go and get.
Speaker 4: Maybe Sure Duror falls out of that top five and
Speaker 4: then somebody's trying to panic and get up there because
Speaker 4: they feel like he's the guy.
Speaker 5: The other one would be Jackson Dart.
Speaker 4: I think if a team falls in love with Jackson
Speaker 4: Dart and they feel like he's not going to last
Speaker 4: through the teams, maybe they go up and try and
Speaker 4: get the Cowboys at twelve. Playing and simple. You gotta
Speaker 4: find a dance partner. So a lot of times in
Speaker 4: this draft, specifically because it's less likely, teams are gonna
Speaker 4: underpay for you to trade up. And that's what happens
Speaker 4: in this scenario. So the pro is you get, it's
Speaker 4: some extra capital. The con is you get you get
Speaker 4: it on discount. You give up that twelfth pick on
Speaker 4: a little bit of a discount, You go from twelve
Speaker 4: to twenty. You trade with the Broncos, the Denver Broncos
Speaker 4: of Mile High City. That's probably what they've got to
Speaker 4: be in order to make this pick possible.
Speaker 7: So you'd hope that you'd get a higher pick, but
Speaker 7: that is your partner.
Speaker 4: But that is your partner. Yep, that's what we got here.
Speaker 4: So you go back to twenty. You pick up a third,
Speaker 4: and you pick up a fourth. So you pick up
Speaker 4: eighty five, which like a late third, and you pick
Speaker 4: up one twenty two, which is a late fourth. But
Speaker 4: you got two more picks in that scenario, twelve picks overall,
Speaker 4: you keep your first round pick and you move back twelve.
Speaker 5: It's a vast underpay though to get up there, about
Speaker 5: one hundred.
Speaker 4: And fifty points of an underpay to get up there
Speaker 4: and to get to that point. So some of the
Speaker 4: guys that are off the board by then.
Speaker 7: I like getting get third and I like getting a fourth,
Speaker 7: but late round picks.
Speaker 4: Yes, a couple of guys that are off the board.
Speaker 4: I mean Michael Williams is off the board, Nolan's off
Speaker 4: the board, Stuart's off the board. I mean pretty much
Speaker 4: anybody that banks is off the board. All these guys
Speaker 4: that you like are gonzo goodbye.
Speaker 1: We got yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So now that Adam, now that you've had all
Speaker 4: three scenarios put on the table and on the board,
Speaker 4: Which one do.
Speaker 5: You like the best? You like stick and pick, trade
Speaker 5: up or trade best.
Speaker 1: Stick of these particular three stick pick, Well, these are likely.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make it realistic because we're trying to
Speaker 4: You're not going to trade back from twelve second this draft.
Speaker 3: From what I understand, because I'm not the draft ex
Speaker 3: where you are, it doesn't seem like you're in a
Speaker 3: very confident position to move back and get guys that
Speaker 3: are going to come in and be impact players. It
Speaker 3: just doesn't seem like that deep of a draft. So
Speaker 3: with that in mind, get an impact player. Get somebody
Speaker 3: who can come onto your roster now and have an impact.
Speaker 3: Don't get a project. Don't get somebody that you can
Speaker 3: work with and kind of mold them to who you
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 1: Get a guy as either a receiver.
Speaker 3: They can come in here and right off the back,
Speaker 3: beat any dog on corner, off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 3: because there's some really good corners in this league, and
Speaker 3: go out there and catch balls and move the marker
Speaker 3: and free up some space for cdee Lamb or get
Speaker 3: office alignment. That's a freaking hoss that come in here
Speaker 3: and just move mountains off the line of scrimmers, because
Speaker 3: that's what you really want to do. That's the identity
Speaker 3: that you want to establish. Yeah, that's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: There's there's nothing else that would make me go, Who's
Speaker 3: there's literally an other position.
Speaker 5: Question for you though? At twenty is Omari and Hampton available? Yes,
Speaker 5: he is available.
Speaker 1: I would do that.
Speaker 5: There's a trade back there.
Speaker 6: I think this is that where the only way I
Speaker 6: do this with this underpay is if I'm running two
Speaker 6: phones like Kevin Gates. Right, So I've got Sean Payton
Speaker 6: and the Broncals on one line, and I got another
Speaker 6: team on the other line, And I say, hey, if
Speaker 6: I do this deal and get these pigs, what kind
Speaker 6: of deal can I work out with you to kind
Speaker 6: of balance it all out and maybe.
Speaker 1: Move up early, go back like into the something.
Speaker 6: Like that, and then I do full NBA types if
Speaker 6: it's a three team deal type thing like Okay, if
Speaker 6: they say no, then sorry, Sean.
Speaker 1: It so no. If they say yes to Okay, Sean,
Speaker 1: we can make this happen type thing.
Speaker 6: Okay, but yeah, I'm willing a deal.
Speaker 4: You're still going from twelve to twenty no matter what.
Speaker 4: You're not talking about getting back up into the teams
Speaker 4: you're talking about, But I'm only packaging. Your comfortable with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if if I have a third team, a mystery
Speaker 6: team here on the other line, that says, Hey, if
Speaker 6: you get these picks and you're willing to give this
Speaker 6: to us, we'll package and let you kind of move
Speaker 6: back up to kind of balance the overall.
Speaker 1: Not in the first but it won't be in the first.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm willing to eat the twelve to twenty drop
Speaker 6: if I could make it make sense on the back end,
Speaker 6: and that might be a third team getting involved in
Speaker 6: the conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm willing dealer. I'm ready to cook. Let's go.
Speaker 4: The whole point of this exercise is to show there's
Speaker 4: gonna be a pro and a con to every deal.
Speaker 4: That's how the NFL works, that's how finding a trade
Speaker 4: partner works. You're gonna have some good for you and
Speaker 4: you're gonna have some good for them, and that's what's
Speaker 4: ultimately gonna happen. I think the whole scenario that we
Speaker 4: just laid out, and it may not be those exact
Speaker 4: picks for that exact compensation. There might be some extra
Speaker 4: things kind of moving and shaking in there. However, I
Speaker 4: think it's more likely the Cowboys are picking at twelve
Speaker 4: this year than moving around. I just don't think they're
Speaker 4: gonna trade up. I don't think they're gonna go get
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty. I don't think they should go get Ashton Genty.
Speaker 5: If the board.
Speaker 4: Falls and he's there at twelve, that's a damn good
Speaker 4: playmaker that you can feel confident in moving forward. If
Speaker 4: you try and bail out, it's not always going to
Speaker 4: be the trade partner you want, and it's not always
Speaker 4: going to be an individual team that's happy to come
Speaker 4: up and get a guy into In this scenario that
Speaker 4: I traded back with Denver, they came up to get
Speaker 4: your guy in terms of what they wanted.
Speaker 5: They drafted Will Campbell at twelve, so they felt like they.
Speaker 4: Had their top corner available. They went out and got him,
Speaker 4: and they're pairing him with Patrick's Ortan. Teams are doing
Speaker 4: the same kind of thing across the board, So there's
Speaker 4: got to be a reason for it. And I just
Speaker 4: see it when we get to April or late April
Speaker 4: and we're sitting in this very studio on the Draft Show,
Speaker 4: and we're looking at the conversations in the draft room.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's gonna be a whole lot of
Speaker 5: phone calls. I think it's just gonna be a sticking what's.
Speaker 4: The board gonna be and where you feel like they're
Speaker 4: gonna have the best impact.
Speaker 7: Just for funzies, who do you have picking up in
Speaker 7: in scenario one and scenario three?
Speaker 4: In scenario one in three the one stick and pick, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was for me. Banks would have would have been
Speaker 4: mine just based off of the board that was available
Speaker 4: to wipe out scenario I would have just taken Banks.
Speaker 5: In scenario.
Speaker 4: Three when you traded back, they traded, they went and
Speaker 4: got Will Johnson and Walter Nolan was there. I would
Speaker 4: have probably taken Walter Nolan in that in that spot
Speaker 4: at twenty, I feel a lot better about taking that
Speaker 4: spot than anywhere else.
Speaker 5: And then of.
Speaker 4: Course genty going up and getting gent and got that
Speaker 4: first scenario or the second interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So just a little thigh process thought provoking. If
Speaker 5: you have any questions or have some thought process back.
Speaker 4: And forth on what you would do in those scenarios,
Speaker 4: send it to us either on the YouTube chat or
Speaker 4: tweet at us or Talking Cowboys would be fun to
Speaker 4: kind of get that opportunity.
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Speaker 1: That is kind of interesting.
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