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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio Hello and welcome back the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Noel. Our compatriot Matt will return soon,

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Speaker 1: they called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul. Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's that time of the

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Speaker 1: week again. It's time for listener mail, and we have

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Speaker 1: some very interesting things things on the docket today, folks. This,

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Speaker 1: as you know, is something that we we spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time curating. We go through our full line

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Speaker 1: go through our email conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com.

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Speaker 1: We speak to folks all the time across social media platforms,

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Speaker 1: and then we try to we try to find the

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Speaker 1: pieces of communication that we think our fellow listeners will

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Speaker 1: enjoy or need to hear. Because Noels, sometimes we've gone

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Speaker 1: to some dark places with these Yeah, we have and

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Speaker 1: likely will continue to do so today. Uh Mine anyway

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Speaker 1: to try to inject a little levity into the proceedings.

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Speaker 1: How about you better your darker light today. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: is this is both. I would describe this one as

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Speaker 1: heavy and profound. As a matter of fact, let's start

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Speaker 1: there with an email from an anonymous listener that I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call Anonymous Voltaire. And let's start with let's start

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Speaker 1: with the the inspiration for that nickname at the very

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Speaker 1: end of your email. This is a good tease, I think, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Anonymous Voltaire, you wrote due to the illegal nature of

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Speaker 1: this subject, I will remain nameless on your show because,

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Speaker 1: as in the words of Voltaire, it is dangerous to

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Speaker 1: be right on matters in which the established authorities are wrong.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good tease, right to put put the end at

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Speaker 1: the beginning there. We're playing with time a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: because Anonymous Voltaire's email is about something that many of

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Speaker 1: our fellow listeners have written to UH to ask us

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Speaker 1: questions about in the past, including Bridget B who suggested

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Speaker 1: Here's what Anonymous says. I've been listening for a long

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Speaker 1: time now, considered writing in many times but none of

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Speaker 1: but they were all from little details that didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like they were worth the email. However, says Anonymous, I

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Speaker 1: perfectly because my story is about ebo gain and we've

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Speaker 1: Right now, is that a drug? Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: of the term ibada, which is like a financial term.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I remember ebo gain helped me out. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I remember evadabada was that was? That was a fun

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Speaker 1: its mysterious and dynamic history, from its sacramental spiritual use

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Speaker 1: injecting a microchip, easily disproved. Even the five G stuff

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Speaker 1: also easily disproven. There's not not really a way physically

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Speaker 1: that a virus could work in that regard yet. But

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Speaker 1: but it looks like in the sheet that the idea

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Speaker 1: of funding research into preparing for a pandemic has been

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Speaker 1: kind of conflated with funding the creation of COVID nineteen, Right,

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Speaker 1: isn't that one of the other things on the list

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Speaker 1: sure has been sure is And it just touch one

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Speaker 1: little blast thing on this first point. It references something

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Speaker 1: called Event two oh one UM, which is a pandemic

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Speaker 1: simulation basically, it's it's It was hosted by the Bill

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Speaker 1: and Melinda Gates Foundation along with the World Economic Forum

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Speaker 1: and the Johns. Hopkins Center for Health Security uh IN

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Speaker 1: in New York on October eighteenth, two thousand, nineteen. UM.

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Speaker 1: So they I guess. The argument there is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they predicted it, it happened. They already knew it was coming,

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Speaker 1: and they were like testing this out. This is exactly

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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff they do all the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean it was years ago that

447
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: he made that talk that I was talking about that

448
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: very very specifically predicts this is the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: that could happen. And you know, when you start going

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Speaker 1: down these rabbit holes like this document um kind of outlines,

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Speaker 1: you start to think of Bill Gates is like almost

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Speaker 1: like this Oza mandious character um from the Watchman comics series.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't want to spoil anything, so good

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Speaker 1: if you haven't read it. But also and also the

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Speaker 1: hbo uh kind of uh I guess sequels it's very

456
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Speaker 1: much its own thing. It's wonderful uh deals with this

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Speaker 1: as well. But it's the idea of like someone kind

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Speaker 1: of manufacturing some sort of plague or some sort of

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Speaker 1: event that that culls a huge swath of the population

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Speaker 1: in order to save the world, Like you gotta gotta

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Speaker 1: break a few eggs to make an omelet and all

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00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: that stuff. So yeah, you start getting into like these megalomaniacal,

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Speaker 1: grandiose kind of visions of savior ship or whatever, savior

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Speaker 1: who by a you know, very very wealthy person. That's

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Speaker 1: what I always think of, um, but I just don't

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Speaker 1: see it here. Uh And this event to A one, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess the timing is. I don't think it's that weird. Again,

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Speaker 1: they do. They run these kind of simulations all the time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I talked about this on a previous episode

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Speaker 1: kind of at length because this is one of the

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Speaker 1: first things that came out when COVID was really hitting there.

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Speaker 1: Or people are saying, well, the guys were planning on

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Speaker 1: this since twenty nineteen, but but they weren't. It's sort

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Speaker 1: of like planning on a reaction to a thing is

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Speaker 1: not planning on creation of the thing, right, fire fire drills,

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Speaker 1: Like when a building's property managers conduct fire drills, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're ready to burn the building down or

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Speaker 1: they're hoping it burns down. They're hoping to make sure

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Speaker 1: everyone can get out safely. An event to A one

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Speaker 1: is kind of a modeling exercise based on fear. Is

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Speaker 1: of a growing number of epidemics. COVID did not occur

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Um. I I just I remember this

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Speaker 1: conversation in particular because I received a lot of correspondence

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Speaker 1: from people who, in a very respectful way, to be fair, uh,

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Speaker 1: said that we were part of the cover up I did.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw any of those, but

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Speaker 1: it's always so flattering, like we, like the three of us, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like we were part of the part of the smoke

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Speaker 1: and mirrors of the plandemic. When do we get our

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Speaker 1: check for that participation? I don't know. It's like every

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Speaker 1: you know people right and ask if we're company men,

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Speaker 1: if we're c I A always wonder do you know

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Speaker 1: how much money we don't make? Right some p C

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Speaker 1: I A, yeah, it would be nice. Um. And the

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Speaker 1: list goes on the next one that the first one

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Speaker 1: was specifically funding and planning the COVID nineteen pandemic at

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Speaker 1: event two oh one. So it was this is onct

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates funded a simulation of today's pandemic six weeks

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Speaker 1: in advance. Again, okay, um, we don't have to go

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Speaker 1: through all these. They get kind of more and more

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Speaker 1: alarmist and bizarre as the list goes on. But I

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Speaker 1: want to address the second one here UM funding the

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Speaker 1: development of the COVID nineteen virus. Bill Gates is a

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Speaker 1: major funder of the per Bright Institute UK that owns

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Speaker 1: the patent to the virus. That is absurd UM. The

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Speaker 1: per Bright Institute UM is a virology research institute out

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Speaker 1: of the UK that does research with coronavirus is let's

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Speaker 1: not forget the coronavirus is sort of this like grandiose

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Speaker 1: name because it was just like it's like the big one.

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Speaker 1: But coronaviruses are a thing. They're like a class of

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Speaker 1: viruses stars mersh. So anyway, UM, I just and my

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Speaker 1: my all this to say, Bill Gates does have a

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Speaker 1: problematic relationship with public health. Thought. There's a really interesting

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Speaker 1: article UM in the New Republic UH with a very

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Speaker 1: also kind of hyperbolic title of how Bill Gates impeded

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Speaker 1: global access to COVID vaccines. The title is a little

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Speaker 1: less hyperbolic than the image of him at the top.

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Speaker 1: It's like an illustrated image where he's got horns and

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Speaker 1: like weird pustules like kind of dripping off his face

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Speaker 1: and the green and there's flames in the background. UM.

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Speaker 1: Which it's it's it's well designed but good Lord. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it seems a little a little yellow. You know, journalism

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Speaker 1: was for the New Republic, but maybe I'm giving them

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Speaker 1: more credit. It's a great article though, and it does

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Speaker 1: go through, uh a lot of the kind of fraught

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Speaker 1: relationship that Bill Gates has had with public health, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with this idea

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Speaker 1: of intellectual property, of of open vaccine availability rather than

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Speaker 1: monopoly vaccine or monopoly medicine. He's actly that's the phrase

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Speaker 1: that the opponents of i P practices in pharmaceuticals would use.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And and you know, you gotta consider

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Speaker 1: the source. A lot of the people that are quoted

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Speaker 1: in this article are from organizations that specifically are about

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Speaker 1: something called like pool vaccines or like pooling the essentially

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Speaker 1: pooling resources, so the rising tide carries all vessels and

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Speaker 1: everyone gets the vaccine quickly, as opposed to just you know,

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Speaker 1: we know the just Maderna um astro zeneca, which isn't

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Speaker 1: even available here, That's only available I think in Europe, right, um,

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Speaker 1: Fiser obviously was I think first to the table? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and uh is there another one that I'm missing?

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Speaker 1: Ben Maderna Fiser and Astro Zeneca are the three that

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Speaker 1: the excuse me, Johnson and Johnson is the one shot

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Speaker 1: and you're done one that there's kind of conflicting research

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Speaker 1: over whether that one's is effective. Um, but again, all

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Speaker 1: this stuff is very new. But the idea that um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like let's think of open source coding for example,

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Speaker 1: like open source technology is like someone's definitely someone's making

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Speaker 1: money off of the thing. Like I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Minecraft for example, is obviously hugely uh um profitable you

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00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: know for the for the developers, but they also within

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Speaker 1: that environment, you know, you can like do mods and

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Speaker 1: and like they make the code available to a degree.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm overstating the case there, but certainly it was

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Speaker 1: always the case with games in the past like Doom

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Speaker 1: and Quake and stuff. They were very like early to

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Speaker 1: the scene with being like, hey, here here's our code.

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00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: You can you can totally mod it and do whatever

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Speaker 1: you want, and it creates this very robust and interesting

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Speaker 1: community of like people adding their own spin on the thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a very silly and frivolous you know,

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Speaker 1: um comparison to what would happen if vaccine i P

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Speaker 1: was made more publicly available it would It would mean

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Speaker 1: that the generics quote unquote would happen much quickly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and it would just ultimately lead to more access. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's the argument of these like pool vaccine proponents. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The idea is that the species is at a crisis

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Speaker 1: point and this has offenially officially become something where we

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Speaker 1: can sort out who gets credit later. We need the

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Speaker 1: best and brightest minds working together as quickly as possible

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Speaker 1: with as little red tape as possible. And Bill Gates,

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Speaker 1: I believe the or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

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Speaker 1: created this thing called the COVID nineteen Act Accelerator, which

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Speaker 1: which was meant to have that sort of crowd sourcing

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Speaker 1: best and brightest minds approach, while also insisting that intellectual

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Speaker 1: property rights will not be like, will be respected, will

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Speaker 1: not be violated, meaning that, for example, if you are

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Speaker 1: a lab in India and you and you can make

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: you is a vast over simplification, but let's say you

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Speaker 1: and I are running the lab in India and we

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Speaker 1: get our hands on the the visor recipe, let's call

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Speaker 1: it that, and we know that we can manufacture this,

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Speaker 1: and then just from our little lab, we could vaccinate

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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of people. But we haven't run this

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Speaker 1: past visor. We just kind of stole their recipe. That's

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00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: a violation of their i P. Right. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: also like, so, you know people India, people in India

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Speaker 1: need the the vaccine. And there's a report from the

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Speaker 1: World Health Organization UH from February five that says the following, UH,

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Speaker 1: this is UH the kind of rundown without going into

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Speaker 1: the whole set of remarks from the So it's the

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Speaker 1: w h O Director General's opening remarks the media briefing

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Speaker 1: on COVID nineteen fifth February, and I'm just gonna read

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Speaker 1: through this. Globally, the number of vaccinations has now overtaken

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Speaker 1: the number of reported infections, but more than three quarters

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Speaker 1: of those vaccinations are in just ten countries that account

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Speaker 1: for almost six of global GDP. Around a hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty countries with two point five billion people are yet

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Speaker 1: to administer a single dose. That's a problem. Yeah, that's

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00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: a huge problem because we're also seeing you know, inequality

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Speaker 1: coming out countries that don't have a ton of budget

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Speaker 1: to throw at the private pharmaceutical entities or even enough

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00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: enough have to get on the waiting list. Everybody agrees

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Speaker 1: there's a problem. It's just people are people are disagreeing

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Speaker 1: about how best to approach it. We do know, we

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Speaker 1: do know that there is a fight over this in

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Speaker 1: the news right now. Like just a week ago, the

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Speaker 1: Intercept reported that most US residents agree a new poll

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Speaker 1: have found that most residents of the US want the

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Speaker 1: government to break drug company monopolies. They don't think patents

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Speaker 1: should be holding up the rollout of treatments for COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: But then on the in the same week, stat news

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Speaker 1: dot com released released an article saying that there was

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Speaker 1: no evidence that having patents slows access to vaccines. So

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Speaker 1: people are fighting about I don't know. It seems like

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Speaker 1: it could be just a bunch of folks fighting over

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Speaker 1: who gets money at the end of the day. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but it's like the worst time to have that argument.

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Speaker 1: Just sue later, presooming enough people survive now, and then

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Speaker 1: sue later, you know, sr pissing contest after people are

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Speaker 1: actually you know, vaxed. Well, at this point, I propose

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Speaker 1: we pause for a word from our sponsor, maybe Bill Gates,

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Speaker 1: who knows I can turn Okay, we're back talking about

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates war criminal not really and and and that's

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is that Bill Bill Gates and his

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Speaker 1: foundation wield so much influence over this conversation. Um. And

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Speaker 1: they have come out and saying that this intellectual property

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Speaker 1: stuff and that respecting these i P rights is not

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Speaker 1: a barrier to vaccination globally. And and yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to be this like this, you know, voice

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Speaker 1: of reason in global health. You know that their whole

631
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Speaker 1: deal with like preventing malaria and and pandemics and in

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Speaker 1: other countries and developing nations. But it would seem that

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Speaker 1: that image is counter to this particular Kuller line, because

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Speaker 1: this w h O report kind of says it all, um.

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Speaker 1: And the initiative that kind of um, the Bill and

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Speaker 1: Melinda Gates Foundation seems to be pushing back against is

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Speaker 1: something called the COVID nineteen Technology Access Pool or c TAP,

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Speaker 1: which I love. And that is the idea, uh, this

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Speaker 1: initiative to create voluntary licensing of technologies and reading this

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Speaker 1: directly from the w h A report in a non

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Speaker 1: exclusive and transparent way by providing a platform for developers

642
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: to share knowledge, intellectual property, and data that seems great

643
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: to me, and it seems conducive to like getting the

644
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: damn thing done right. Yeah, Yeah, that seems like it

645
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: seems like a very pragmatic approach. Uh, there's something else

646
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: that was troubling me. In that article that we're referencing

647
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: from the New Republic, it doesn't seem like there's an

648
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: ethical basis to the arguments against ignoring the patent system

649
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: for you know, global treatment of COVID nineteen. The New

650
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Republic notes the closest Gates has come to conceding that

651
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: vaccine monopolies inhibit production. Came during a January interview with

652
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: South Africa's Mail and Guardian. When asked about the growing

653
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: intellectual property debate, he responded, quote, at this point, changing

654
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: the rules won't make any additional vaccines available. And the

655
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: reporter takes issue with this and says, you know, there's

656
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: an implication not to be too Dennis Reynolds about it,

657
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: but there's an implication when you use the phrase at

658
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 1: this point. And the implication is that before now, there

659
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: was a moment when changing IP rules could have made

660
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: a difference, Like it's now we've basically kicked the cans

661
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: so far down the road that you know, it's not

662
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: going to do any good now. But that's not true either, right,

663
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: because the thing in this w h O reports of

664
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Speaker 1: remarks UM that makes so much sense because there are

665
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: UM facilities that are stepping up and saying hey, we

666
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: we we have facilities that could be used to manufacture these,

667
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: to increase production capacity for vaccines, specifically in Africa, Asia

668
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: and Latin America, which are places that are desperately in

669
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: need of more vaccines. And I believe I heard a

670
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: report not terribly long ago UM specifically talking about how Africa,

671
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: based on the current situation, may not get vaccines for

672
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: like years, which is terrible. You know, for decades and

673
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: decades countries on the African continent have imported of vaccines

674
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: like as an average, So it's not a it's not

675
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: a domestic business. And COVID, from what I've seen reported,

676
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: has inspired some political leaders in the continent two try

677
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: to bring that manufacturing home to make it domestic. But

678
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: you're right, this was also ordered by Reuters just yesterday.

679
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: In fact, it seems that countries on the continent are

680
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the vaccination challenge to the level of infrastructure too,

681
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: like Ghana received fifty thousand COVID nineteen vaccine doses from India,

682
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: but hadn't been able to train enough staff to distribute them,

683
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm sorry. That's why

684
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: I shouldn't recall things off the top of my head.

685
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I think there was a concern about you know, maybe

686
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: it was in like the most alarmist term as possible,

687
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: that that Africa could be left out on the cold

688
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: for a very long time. But because of some of

689
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: these kind of vaccine sharing initiatives from the World Health Organization,

690
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: something called the KOVACS program um which is delivering doses

691
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: to Africa, and their goal is to supply six hundred

692
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: million doses to Africa. But even that's only enough to

693
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: vaccine vaccine the population. Yeah, and I know we mentioned

694
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: in that wanted poster for Bill Gates. Uh, you know,

695
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: we mentioned that some of the accusations seem to range

696
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: away from COVID nineteen specifically. So they say, um, these

697
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: sterilizing millions and millions of people non consensually in India

698
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: and Africa, and then they throw in genetically engineering food,

699
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: which always drives you crazy. That's that's like number seven.

700
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: The reason they're putting that in there is to prey

701
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: on other fears and to somehow associate them with various

702
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: flavors of Bill Gates COVID nineteen conspiracies. But Noel, I

703
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: think we're making a pretty good case that I don't

704
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: know if you would call it a conspiracy, but there's

705
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: definitely something more, uh, something financial, political, maybe from some

706
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: proponents perspective ethical about about COVID nineteen uh and how

707
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: it should be handled. So is so, No, we don't

708
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: think there's any proof that Bill Gates is like micro

709
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: chipping people uh or making them get five G in

710
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: their heads through a vaccine. But there's a pretty solid

711
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: case to be made that his position and his various

712
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: NGOs influences that his position on I P might be

713
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: holding up like it might be costing lives. Yeah, that's

714
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: the argument, right, It is the argument. I think there's

715
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: there's some Santa that much more so than any of

716
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: these other things on this list, which ends by the

717
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: way and saying Bill Gates crimes disguised as charity are

718
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: the single greatest threat to the world economy, world health,

719
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: world peace, and human rights. His agendas one world government,

720
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: one world currency, and a called micro chipped population of

721
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: vaccinated robots. They must end his reign of terror. Now

722
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: I of the end of this, because we must end

723
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: his reign of terror. This final sign off um, it's

724
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: we must end his reign of terror exclamation mark and

725
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: then double space now exclamation marks. So I love picturing

726
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: somebody reading all this ingested, like what if you had

727
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: never heard of Bill Gates and all you're learning about

728
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: the guys this wanted poster, And then you get to

729
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: the end and you're having these uh, you know, these

730
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: ocean moments as your eyes are dilating and you're freaking

731
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: down and it's all starting to come together. And then

732
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: you get to the end and you go, we must

733
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: end his reign of terror And you're like, okay, well

734
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: we'll get to it at some point, and then you

735
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: read that last line. Now okay, wait, no, now not

736
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Thursday call to action. Right. Look, I know we're living

737
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: in weird times. There's no question about that. It's easy

738
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: to go down rabbit holes and and uh, you know

739
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: we've talked about how conspiracy theories oftentimes are are coping mechanism.

740
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's easier to blame some you know, governmental

741
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: boogeyman or some evil genius, mad scientists, you know, Ga

742
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: jillionaire for all these things instead of just accepting that

743
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: sometimes the world is just entropy and and chaotic. You know, yeah,

744
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: I sounded like a broken record when I say it,

745
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: but there is ultimately a cognitive comfort food when you

746
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: talk about um thing things like this that could be

747
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: dismissed that you know, everybody knows. I have a lot

748
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: of problems with the term conspiracy theory because there are

749
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: real conspiracies, but this kind of stuff, um, you're right,

750
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: it's it's comforting to think that there's someone at the wheel,

751
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: even if that person as someone you think is evil,

752
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: still better than an uncarrying universe with a fairly certain

753
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: guaranteed expiration date for our solar system. And you know,

754
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, also the idea that people in charge of things,

755
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: very powerful people are also still people, which means at

756
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: times they don't make the right decision. And there are

757
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: incompetent people with a lot of power. That's even more

758
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: frightening than an evil person. And all of the things

759
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: that are listening on here, I mean there, you know,

760
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: there certainly is citizens surveillance technology going on, but it's

761
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: like you know, by the Cia or Apple, you know

762
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, this is all very real stuff.

763
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: Um Our food has been genetically engineered with GMOs. There's

764
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: no question about that. These are all real things. Uh.

765
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: There is genocide there. We've seen instances of of of

766
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: women and young girls being unwillingly sterilized, you know, eugenics

767
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: and and stuff throughout history. The COVID nineteen pandemic has

768
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: has been terrifying. And it's easy to you know, I

769
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: mean even there's a lot of political rhetoric during the

770
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Trump administration of trying to make that boogeyman specifically China,

771
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, and like and as though they did it

772
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: on purpose or something or at the at least were

773
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: grossly negligent and and and should pay. And it became

774
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: this charged rhetoric that has caused a lot of anti

775
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: Asian hate crime. Right. Yeah, the I appreciate the idea

776
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: that there these there are contextual factors at play here.

777
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: It's not occurring in the vacuum. There are precedents. There

778
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: are proven cases of skullduggery, unclean actions, great injustices on

779
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the part of various authorities, you know, up to ing

780
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: and including human experimentation. More so more so than the

781
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: average person might suspect. But in this case it feels

782
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: like the real conspiracy of conspiracy, there is is one

783
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: very powerful person saying, hold on, we need to keep

784
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: the patent system going. We need to hold the line

785
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: or the boundaries of intellectual property, because that is more

786
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: important than allowing you know, some se aigment of the

787
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: global population to live. Yeah, that's that's the question. If

788
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: you want to know what the price of your life

789
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: is worth, that is that that's a very similar conversation

790
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: to what they're having now about I P. In my opinion,

791
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and and it's so dismissive the position

792
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: of of of of the Gates foundation. It seems that

793
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: it has to be tied just specifically to like, well,

794
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: this is this is how where our money comes from.

795
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: If there's no I P, then I don't own windows anymore,

796
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's like it's like

797
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: a Pandora's box kind of situation, a badger and bag situation.

798
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: If you open up I P for this, then it's

799
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: all gonna be willy nilly, and you know, up will

800
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: be down and and and and it just it shatters

801
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: the whole foundation. Uh, that that this man built his

802
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: fortune on, which again, of course i P should be

803
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: a thing we should you know, people who come up

804
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: with ideas should own them and then be able to

805
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: profit from them. But it's the same with like, you know,

806
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: when we talk about doctor bills and like what a

807
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: weird sliding scale all that is. And he said, oh,

808
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: these people work really hard to get into medical school

809
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: and you know it should be paid. Well, yeah, but

810
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that like an aspirin should cost you know,

811
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: five or whatever. There should be more transparency in that

812
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff because it's people's lives. Well, think about it. Yeah,

813
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: And I understand there's valid fear when it comes to

814
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: the idea of losing i P and the money in

815
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: the investment. But what would have happened if Jonas Salt

816
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: patented the polio vaccine? That is the question that I

817
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: have for people who are strongly on the side of

818
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: i P, because one thing I know, regardless of everyone's

819
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: opinions in that conversation, one thing I know is that

820
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: we will probably not have polio. I'll probably be in

821
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: a debate with someone who also doesn't have polio, and

822
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: the reason that they do not have polio is because

823
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: Jonas Salt created the polio vaccine and did not patent it,

824
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: so we could go around the world more quickly, and

825
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: ultimately I think that is a good thing. I respectfully

826
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: disagree with people who would put intellectual property over the

827
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: livelihood of another human being. And you know what, maybe

828
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: Bill Gates should take some ebo game. Maybe that's what

829
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: it needs to happen. He needs to have a good

830
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: vision quest open his third eye up a little bit.

831
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll chill him out. No, I agree, and Ben,

832
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: this has been a really eliminating Both of these have been,

833
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, very eliminating conversations to have with you, and

834
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: I very much enjoyed it. But you're right, there's darkness

835
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: and and and light and you know, uh, silver linings

836
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: and both of these like hopefully this Bill Gates stuff

837
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: and and these conversations will move in the direction of

838
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of chilling out on this. I p over uber

839
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: alas kind of mentality, but but you know, with people

840
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: like Bill Gates pushing that narrative in the opposite direction,

841
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: that's a lot harder. So Bill, if you're listening, come on, man,

842
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: try some ebo game. That's our show. Thank you so

843
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: much as always for tuning in. As you said at

844
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: the top, our compatriot Matt is on Adventures returning soon

845
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: very much says hello to everyone. We want to hear

846
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: from you. We want to hear your position on I

847
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: P on vaccines on Bill Gates because of course that's

848
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: not the only thing that the guy has done. He's

849
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: also fun. Fact, back in the day he was he

850
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: was kind of into computers. Also, let us know your

851
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: experiences with EBO, gain your warnings about it, your position

852
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: on psychedelics as medicine. Overall, we cannot wait to hear

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