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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome to the Week twelve edition of the
Speaker 2: NFL Report. I'm Steve whitehe as my guy, James Palmer JP.
Speaker 2: We saw the Jags, we saw the Ravens. Oh and
Speaker 2: did we ever see the Eagles get big wins as
Speaker 2: well as those Atlanta Falcons to take over the NFC
Speaker 2: South JP.
Speaker 3: Every other team in the NFC.
Speaker 2: South took a loss, and one of them proved very
Speaker 2: costly down to Carolina.
Speaker 1: There is a second coaching change in the NFL. Steve
Speaker 1: frank Reich is out. We know this that happened this
Speaker 1: morning after starting one in ten and the offense that
Speaker 1: he was put in charge of, specifically David Tepper. The
Speaker 1: owner wanted to hire an offensive mind their twenty eighth
Speaker 1: or lower in almost every single offensive category. Soper moves
Speaker 1: on with his third head coach firing. He's had two
Speaker 1: with his MLS team. And to break all of this
Speaker 1: down with the quick trigger finger of David Tepper is
Speaker 1: as I'm calling him, the official NFL Insider of the
Speaker 1: NFL Report. Mike Carrafollo should be joining the show. There, yeah,
Speaker 1: there he is. He just flies into the middle of
Speaker 1: the show. Mike, I know you got a pulse on everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm the official insider because hean treated
Speaker 4: you so rudely on the inside of I don't think
Speaker 4: he's out for good.
Speaker 1: Listen, you know why I made the call, and I'm
Speaker 1: making it today on the show official Insider of the
Speaker 1: NFL Report, Mike, you got a pulse on everything, you
Speaker 1: know when things are kind of coming. I did this
Speaker 1: game against the Cowboys a week ago, and I could
Speaker 1: start seeing things happening when I was at that game
Speaker 1: talking to people in Charlotte. When did you really get
Speaker 1: a sense that this was possibly or almost certainly happening
Speaker 1: on Monday morning?
Speaker 4: Well back up, because I thought you're gonna ask me,
Speaker 4: when did I get a sense that this was possible
Speaker 4: that Frank Reich was not going to survive past year one.
Speaker 4: I would say back to when I had the game.
Speaker 4: I guess it was before the Cowboys game. It was
Speaker 4: the Thursday night game in Chicago. Maybe it was a
Speaker 4: couple of games before that where that was the game?
Speaker 4: Where did Frank Reraich take back play call? I'm so
Speaker 4: lost because he gave it up and he took a check.
Speaker 4: So I don't remember the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You must have gave it up then, like.
Speaker 4: It maybe it was when he gave it up. And
Speaker 4: all these weeks are running together, guys, you know how
Speaker 4: it is. But I remember that night talking to people,
Speaker 4: was like, well, you know, Bryce's brain is kind of
Speaker 4: scattered right now, because you know, you've got a different
Speaker 4: play callers.
Speaker 5: Thomas Brown was taking some of the concepts that he
Speaker 5: was doing.
Speaker 4: With the Rams, or Michean McVay was doing with the
Speaker 4: Rams that he kind of learned there, and they were
Speaker 4: trying to mesh it with what Frank Reich was doing
Speaker 4: or had done with Indianapolis and Philadelphia, and it wasn't meshing.
Speaker 4: And so you've got two different guys, two different voices
Speaker 4: inside Bryce Young's head there, and then you add in
Speaker 4: Josh McCowen as well, who was trying to mesh these
Speaker 4: two together, and it just wasn't working. And I started
Speaker 4: to get the sense that this was just not a
Speaker 4: great setup.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I had Steve Smith with me that night, and I
Speaker 4: asked Steve just his opinion.
Speaker 5: I said, Steve, what do you think he goes?
Speaker 4: I don't think that they want to fire another coach
Speaker 4: after one and done.
Speaker 5: I would imagine David Tepper doesn't.
Speaker 4: And Ian reported that today David Depper did not want
Speaker 4: to do this, but felt like he had to.
Speaker 5: So look, I know he wanted an offensive mind.
Speaker 4: I understand that thinking that is something that Jeffrey Lorie
Speaker 4: and the Eagles have had. They want to higher offensive
Speaker 4: minded head coaches. It's worked out for them, but not
Speaker 4: because those guys are offensive minded, because they've been the
Speaker 4: right call.
Speaker 5: And David Tepper really wanted Ben Johnson. Last year.
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson withdrew from that chase, which I would imagine
Speaker 4: he's at least going to be on David Tepper's radar
Speaker 4: again this year.
Speaker 5: Steve Walks was sitting there staring him right in the face.
Speaker 4: Right, So, if your number one target was gone, why
Speaker 4: not just go with the guy that did a great
Speaker 4: job as the interim coach with a staff that wasn't
Speaker 4: even his and really didn't have a chance to set
Speaker 4: the table for himself. Never mind what happened back in
Speaker 4: Arizona when he never got the chance to hire his
Speaker 4: own staff and set the table for himself.
Speaker 5: I just at this point, Steve Wilks could have done this.
Speaker 1: So I go what you're saying, Mike, So that that
Speaker 1: leads me to this question as we push it forward
Speaker 1: and we want to move forward with this. You look
Speaker 1: at what they did in terms of naming an interim
Speaker 1: head coach. They didn't name Thomas Brown, who's going to
Speaker 1: run the offense. They didn't name Giero Evro who's going
Speaker 1: to run the defense. Either one of them isn't named
Speaker 1: the interim head coach. What I'm curious is do you
Speaker 1: think that's a move to where you don't fall into
Speaker 1: the same situation that you were in last year when
Speaker 1: run happens like it happened with Steve Wilkes, and maybe
Speaker 1: just already your mind is made up that you wanted
Speaker 1: to be somebody outside of the building.
Speaker 5: What was the thinking that maybe both of those guys, because.
Speaker 1: They're on the list, almost every one of them for
Speaker 1: up and coming potential head coach and Cannon and and
Speaker 1: you don't name either one of them your interim head coach.
Speaker 5: My sense is that it's a little twofold one.
Speaker 4: This is kind of what we're seeing in the NFL
Speaker 4: these days, the days of well, let's just promote the
Speaker 4: offensive end or defensive coordinator that we think is closest
Speaker 4: to being a head coach.
Speaker 5: No, let's go with the special.
Speaker 4: Teams guy, or in Antonio Pierce's case, it was the
Speaker 4: linebackers coach. So we can allow our coordinators to be
Speaker 4: coordinators and focus on that. And I think, particularly on
Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball, that is definitely what
Speaker 4: David Tepper wants, because he wants Thomas Brown to be
Speaker 4: focused on nothing except making sure that Bryce Young starts
Speaker 4: to move in the right direction. Because it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: who the coach is next year. They want to make
Speaker 4: sure that they have some positive momentum with Bryce Young
Speaker 4: that he can capitalize on as he ends this season
Speaker 4: and carry it forward into twenty four. And then you
Speaker 4: would think, again, you would think with an offensive minded
Speaker 4: head coach the right higher, the guy that David Tepper
Speaker 4: feels really good about bringing a quarterback along, that you
Speaker 4: get that momentum plus to hire and now.
Speaker 5: We've got this kid moving in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Well, who says he need offensive coach to get a
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback going, because it looks like down in Houston
Speaker 2: that's working okay for Damico Ryans and CJ. Strout, But
Speaker 2: Michae a couple of points you made here. You know
Speaker 2: they wanted to streamline things right with Thomas Brown's voice there,
Speaker 2: so they get rid of Duce Daly and Josh McCown,
Speaker 2: two rising assistants whose careers now are probably going to
Speaker 2: be lateral at best because of the disaster it's happened
Speaker 2: to Carolina. But more importantly, you mentioned Ben Johnson, the
Speaker 2: lines offensive coordinator, could be on the radar, but everyone
Speaker 2: knows David Tepper. Now, yeah, he pays big bucks, but
Speaker 2: he got an itchy trigger finger.
Speaker 3: He meddles.
Speaker 2: I think that's when Frank Reich stepped on the green
Speaker 2: Mile when he went publicly and said that the owner
Speaker 2: is very involved. Why is this an attractive job because
Speaker 2: it's one of thirty two and whoever comes in, he's
Speaker 2: got to take Bryce Young. Not everybody like Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would say that sometimes I've seen this
Speaker 4: where you get the bank bank firing, and then you
Speaker 4: get the extended run for the next coach, because you
Speaker 4: don't want to get into that rhythm of we're continuing.
Speaker 5: To turnover coaches and turnover coaches.
Speaker 4: I remember the Giants, a couple of years ago when
Speaker 4: I heard Brian Daboll Cleveland, Yeah yeah, and then San Francisco.
Speaker 5: How about that one.
Speaker 4: Let's got back to San Francisco because they made sure
Speaker 4: that they had matching six year contracts for Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 4: and John Lynch as a message to those guys, to
Speaker 4: the team and to the fan base to say, no,
Speaker 4: we're giving these guys some runway here.
Speaker 5: So that's a potential.
Speaker 4: Positive here as you're coming up as a candidate for
Speaker 4: this job to say, you know, David Tepper does not
Speaker 4: want to do the quick trigger again, so I'll probably
Speaker 4: get a little bit more leeway here than maybe I
Speaker 4: ordinarily would have.
Speaker 5: You know, that's number one, number two. It is a
Speaker 5: good organization.
Speaker 4: Otherwise, I've heard a lot of positive things about working
Speaker 4: there and being an employee there, certainly under David Tepper,
Speaker 4: other than guys that have been the head coach recently,
Speaker 4: but he certainly is Listen, there's a passion there, there's
Speaker 4: a desire to win, right, I'll give him that much.
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying about the meddling. Maybe one
Speaker 4: day we'll hear the full story about who wanted c J.
Speaker 4: Shrowd and who wanted Bryce Young because we've heard different
Speaker 4: versions of it. Certainly behind the Steves, behind the scenes,
Speaker 4: Steve and James, I know you guys have as well.
Speaker 4: And maybe the owner who was on all those trips
Speaker 4: and in all those meetings and at the pro days,
Speaker 4: was making a little bit too much of the decisions.
Speaker 4: We shall see if that ever comes to late. Frank
Speaker 4: Braich did have a chance today in speaking with Scott
Speaker 4: and Filer of this Charlotte Observer, to take some shots back,
Speaker 4: and instead he took the high road.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, guys, in my opinion, I think this
Speaker 1: job is less appealing now than it was a season ago.
Speaker 1: I agree, I really do, because now you don't have picks.
Speaker 1: You don't get to pick the quarterback. Quarterback's been selective
Speaker 1: for that quarterback's not going anywhere. And you also, as
Speaker 1: Steve mentioned, you now have concrete evidence, Mike in multiple
Speaker 1: occasions about how David Tepper operates and how difficult things
Speaker 1: kind of can be on you as a head coach
Speaker 1: in that building. So I'm curious really in that sense
Speaker 1: to where I think it is is maybe less appealing
Speaker 1: this year than it was the time around a year ago.
Speaker 1: But Mike, before we move on, I am curious are
Speaker 1: we giving Bryce Young a pass in this situation? I mean,
Speaker 1: you mentioned what they did. You know, they really changed
Speaker 1: offenses from what I'm told one way or another four
Speaker 1: different times during OTAs they continue to do it throughout
Speaker 1: this season, putting more and more in terms of what
Speaker 1: he did at Alabama and trying to find different ways
Speaker 1: room successful all the change and everything he's been through.
Speaker 5: What have you heard about about him? Especially? Are we
Speaker 5: giving him a pass because of.
Speaker 1: The situation or are there concerns about his future overall?
Speaker 5: Because there has to be some. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And first of all, by the way I do you
Speaker 4: were laying out the reasons why this job is less attractive,
Speaker 4: Steeves questioned me, was why is it attractive? I do
Speaker 4: agree with you, Yes, yes, you got to look at
Speaker 4: this job a little side eye if you are canaday
Speaker 4: for it for sure. But back to your question about
Speaker 4: Bryce Young? What have I heard? I he did talk
Speaker 4: about the differing schemes and how that was messing with
Speaker 4: his head and blowing him down a little bit.
Speaker 5: That's number one.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I heard is the way that
Speaker 4: he's trying to play quarterback it's almost like a positive
Speaker 4: became a negative. So coming out of college we talked
Speaker 4: about him and his ability to process and his ability
Speaker 4: to see everything and go through all of his reads.
Speaker 5: This team is not there yet.
Speaker 4: The offensive line is not going to provide him with
Speaker 4: the time number one, and it's not like he's got
Speaker 4: four legitimate options that he can kind of go through
Speaker 4: here and read from one all the way to four.
Speaker 5: It's like, yes, he does feeling, Adam feeling.
Speaker 3: Who else Adam feeling?
Speaker 5: I think those are his best two reads. I think
Speaker 5: those are his first three. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's why Scott Fitterer of the GM did
Speaker 4: try at the trade deadline, even though they knew they
Speaker 4: weren't going to make the playoffs, to trying to bring
Speaker 4: in a legitimate target, and the price wound up being
Speaker 4: too high for any of the guys that were available.
Speaker 4: So he said, you know what, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: risk that just to get it in house this year.
Speaker 5: We'll work on that in the offseason and they will.
Speaker 4: This will be a team that will be lo in
Speaker 4: free agency and maybe via the trade market to bring
Speaker 4: in legitimate targets or Bryce Young. But the point I'm
Speaker 4: trying to make is he was trying to play quarterback
Speaker 4: as if he was loaded with the greatest show on turf,
Speaker 4: and I could just kind of go through everything, and
Speaker 4: they were kind of telling him, like, dude, that's not
Speaker 4: where it is right now. So that's a good thing
Speaker 4: maybe down the line, or like in college when you
Speaker 4: played at Alabama, Yeah, and you had sec defenses on
Speaker 4: the other side, but you had Alabama's offensive line of.
Speaker 5: Targets in front of you.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's got to figure this all out, right,
Speaker 4: He's got to sort of simplify it and dumb it
Speaker 4: down in his own mind, but not lose that ability
Speaker 4: because one day he may be in a situation where
Speaker 4: he's got a loaded offense and that's the way you
Speaker 4: do want to play quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets a pass.
Speaker 2: Look, we see this a with Tua where he comes
Speaker 2: to a situation that's not very good. They changed coaches,
Speaker 2: it's a personnel. Now, look what happened. So this is
Speaker 2: I think he gets a pass on this because this
Speaker 2: was just a colossal disaster.
Speaker 5: Mike.
Speaker 2: One day, we're going to have you back on see
Speaker 2: if Jim Harbaugh might be a potential candidate even though
Speaker 2: issues with authority are something that he tends to have
Speaker 2: with a hair triggered owner.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that is ideal. But also, Mike, no,
Speaker 3: not at all.
Speaker 2: But you were at you were at like the best
Speaker 2: game of the weekend, Mike, the Giants and the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dandy right there.
Speaker 2: And so we do know that the Patriots took a
Speaker 2: loss on that game on this misattempt.
Speaker 4: At the very end, the rookie is set from thirty
Speaker 4: five to time, snap is.
Speaker 3: Good, kick on, it's playing, and go for wherever it's go.
Speaker 3: Good bet mister white lamp.
Speaker 2: Playal with mister white.
Speaker 3: Laugh sonother rookie beats Bill Belichick. Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 5: So we needed to see it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we just had to see that game of Mike.
Speaker 3: When you when you when you look at this game,
Speaker 3: and we'll forget the outcome.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: We know the Patriots they are what they are. But
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick his situation because we know there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a bunch of coaching changes at the end of the season. Heck,
Speaker 2: Frank Wright might not be the only one from the
Speaker 2: NFC South, but Bill Belichick just some things that you
Speaker 2: garnered what could be happening in New England in the
Speaker 2: offseason and where his future could be probably not Caro lineup,
Speaker 2: based on the way he handled developing a rookie quarterback
Speaker 2: in mac Jones.
Speaker 4: Well, let's actually start with the outcome of the game,
Speaker 4: because I haven't shared this yet and this is a
Speaker 4: perfect opportunity for me to do it. In the pregame,
Speaker 4: Dad Ryland from roughly where he was kicking that game
Speaker 4: winning or game tying field goal was missing left and right,
Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, missing left. And I was
Speaker 4: standing there with a couple of Patriots folks and I
Speaker 4: was like, is this dude struggling? And they were like, now,
Speaker 4: I always does that in the pre game. He's terrible
Speaker 4: in the pregame and then he comes in and he's
Speaker 4: fine during the game. Literally, the kick after he tried
Speaker 4: a kick in the pre game missed it wide left,
Speaker 4: almost identical to the one that he missed there at
Speaker 4: the end of the game.
Speaker 5: Is when I asked the question and they were like, Noah,
Speaker 5: w whatry about it. He's good, he's good, earned out
Speaker 5: he wasn't good.
Speaker 4: Back to your question about Belichick in his future, it
Speaker 4: just feels like time it does Robert Craft really has
Speaker 4: not led it on his full feelings on the situation.
Speaker 4: Go back to March, go back to the league meetings
Speaker 4: when he said that girod Mayo was the basically coach
Speaker 4: in waiting, and it.
Speaker 5: Was like, wait a second, I'm sorry, what hello? Oh
Speaker 5: did you just.
Speaker 4: Say what we think you said? And he doesn't say
Speaker 4: it by accident. Robert Craft knows exactly what he's doing.
Speaker 4: I thought the League meeting in October was going to
Speaker 4: be the chance for us to get Robert Kraft's feel
Speaker 4: on what's happening with the Patriots. He did not elect
Speaker 4: to even walk by the cameras in the hotel lobby
Speaker 4: that day. I believe he's been on CNBC since then.
Speaker 4: He did an interview with Rich Eisen in Germany before
Speaker 4: the game there and really didn't get into great depth
Speaker 4: about anything, which I think the fact that he's saying
Speaker 4: less actually tells me a little bit more so, it
Speaker 4: just feels like time for Bill Belichick to move on
Speaker 4: from New England. He's not saying much. Craft isn't saying much,
Speaker 4: So this is gonna be a lot of speculation, But
Speaker 4: I will say I mean, I've had conversation with people
Speaker 4: in the building and they say that they're kind of
Speaker 4: feeling the same thing as well.
Speaker 5: So let's see how it plays out.
Speaker 4: Doesn't feel like Bill Belichick's the kind of guy that
Speaker 4: wants to just sail off into retirement.
Speaker 5: There will be opportunities.
Speaker 4: Some have speculated about Washington and it's proximity to Annapolis.
Speaker 4: You know about his Navy connections and his feel for
Speaker 4: the area down there. We shall see again, this is
Speaker 4: all informed speculation at this point.
Speaker 1: Love it, Mike, Love all the insight. Right before we
Speaker 1: let you go, how do you feel about your new title?
Speaker 1: Exclusive insider to the Report.
Speaker 4: I think I feel like it's great. I think it
Speaker 4: should be on the screen. I think it should be
Speaker 4: probably on the shelf behind me, right by Carmen's. This
Speaker 4: is the drawing of a football. This guy looks like
Speaker 4: a son of a beard. The upside down at heart.
Speaker 4: I don't know why it's upside down. No, she's getting
Speaker 4: to the age now, she's six, and James, you've got
Speaker 4: an artistic son. So we're now going to have to
Speaker 4: start look like we got to figure out what was
Speaker 4: in the artist's mind.
Speaker 5: Why was the heart upside down on the football?
Speaker 4: I don't know. You won't tell me. It's all the
Speaker 4: beauty of appreciating art.
Speaker 3: Mike. You know this multiple levels, Mike, No, she's thinking
Speaker 3: that to a through it. It's the left handed rotation
Speaker 3: on the throw. As to why the heart is upside down, Mike, j.
Speaker 5: Why she's a football art girl?
Speaker 2: Thereil Mike t you are the man. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: great insight. The story is not going away, and now
Speaker 2: what else.
Speaker 3: Is it going away? Bigger news?
Speaker 2: That was the biggest news watch But now the bigger
Speaker 2: news is coming back and it does involve the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2: Oh and the team they lost to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3: Next on the NFL Report.
Speaker 6: So the game ends if he misses from fifty eight
Speaker 6: yards away, Johnson puts it down.
Speaker 5: There's the kick. The fifty eight yard.
Speaker 4: Field goal is no God, it hit the crossbar.
Speaker 3: It came back.
Speaker 4: The Jacks have coment beaten the Houston Texans.
Speaker 3: How good is that?
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve whitch
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 5: Steve.
Speaker 1: We slid down Bigger news because we had massive news
Speaker 1: with Leshi at the top of the show. But every
Speaker 1: Monday we usually like to start with bigger news. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with what is bigger news, Steve. Is
Speaker 1: it the Jaguars going down to Houston and beating the Texans,
Speaker 1: creating a two game lead in the Division of the
Speaker 1: AFC South, Or is it the Philadelphia Eagles where I'm
Speaker 1: still here in Philadelphia winning just an insane game over
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills to move to ten and one and
Speaker 1: remain the best team in the NFL as they look
Speaker 1: to face the forty nine Ers in a massive contest
Speaker 1: next Sunday.
Speaker 5: I'll start.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's Philadelphia Eagles. That's why I'm still here, Steve.
Speaker 1: Not here's your hotel, my brother, them moving to ten
Speaker 1: and one, It's because of how they won this football game.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has thrown for under fifty yards in each
Speaker 1: of the last two games in the first half.
Speaker 5: Then he goes and does what in the second.
Speaker 1: Half, scores thirty points four of his five touchdowns there
Speaker 1: and he runs again.
Speaker 5: Shows how clutch he is as a player.
Speaker 1: But it's not only that they beat the Bills, who
Speaker 1: came into this game second in the NFL and sacks
Speaker 1: without one of the best right tackles in football lane
Speaker 1: Johnson was out. Jack Dristol found out he was playing
Speaker 1: during pregame warmups. In this game, they also did it
Speaker 1: without Fletcher Cox in the middle of their defense, without
Speaker 1: Milton Wins in the middle of their defense, Zak Cunningham
Speaker 1: in the middle of their defense. They learned, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: steve to win this game shorthanded and win games in
Speaker 1: any fashion has been the way the Eagles have operated this.
Speaker 5: Season, and we saw it once again.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were extremely short at tight end in
Speaker 1: this game with their top two tight ends out.
Speaker 5: So what can you do.
Speaker 1: You can't help chipping next to Jack Driscoll against this
Speaker 1: front because you don't have any tight ends. I just
Speaker 1: think what they went out and did leading into this
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers game, jose us once again that this
Speaker 1: is the best team even football because they know how
Speaker 1: to win better than anybody else.
Speaker 3: That's it. They know how to win.
Speaker 2: And they've got Jason Kelcey on that touchdown run there
Speaker 2: in overtime when you saw him spring Jalen Hurts on
Speaker 2: that play. He's just he is amazing what he allows
Speaker 2: their offense to do. But the bigger news JP isn't
Speaker 2: so much that because the Eagles maintained their top seed,
Speaker 2: they weren't.
Speaker 3: Gonna lose it anyway.
Speaker 2: It is Jacksonville going down to Houston opening up that
Speaker 2: two game lead on the Texans who had beaten them earlier.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't much a revenge game.
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much to maybe establish the kind of
Speaker 2: negate potential tie breakers when it comes to playoff. I
Speaker 2: think the Jacksonville Jaguars needed to prove something to themselves
Speaker 2: because when they supposedly have been challenged this year, they
Speaker 2: really haven't risen to the occasion. They've got thumped by
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers and some other teams that they've
Speaker 2: had to play.
Speaker 3: But they went down there and this was a fantastic game.
Speaker 2: It was a great game between two great quarterbacks who
Speaker 2: I liken to on NFL game day previews. This could
Speaker 2: be this generations Peyton Manning Tom Brady. In the fact
Speaker 2: that Trevor Lawrence came down and led that drive. Calvin
Speaker 2: Ridley was spectacular. He looked like the Calvin Ridley we
Speaker 2: expected him to be. That they were able to come
Speaker 2: down and win. Now again this is my virtue of
Speaker 2: a doink and missed field goal on the end. To me,
Speaker 2: that proved something because they missed a field goal, because
Speaker 2: their defense, in particular edgdrusher Josh Allen showed up at
Speaker 2: the right time on the final drive.
Speaker 5: So I like that.
Speaker 2: We've got two different opinions, and the Jacksonville Jaguars now
Speaker 2: sit at the number three playoff seed in the AFC. Okay,
Speaker 2: on that note, AFC, No, I don't know how.
Speaker 5: Do not move forward? Do not move forward?
Speaker 1: See, because I do want to make a note on
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and because of the AFC. The reason I also
Speaker 1: picked Philadelphia is because this also might have helped out
Speaker 1: everybody in the AFC. When I went out and watched
Speaker 1: Josh Allen go out and do what he did against
Speaker 1: the Eagles team, this might have helped the rest of
Speaker 1: the AFC avoid Josh Allen in the point as it's
Speaker 1: now going to be even more difficult for the Bills
Speaker 1: to get into the postseason and man died, Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: like brilliantly was the best player in the field. One
Speaker 1: note about the Jaguars before you move us on, Steve.
Speaker 1: Or of their last six games are against teams with
Speaker 1: losing records. Yes, of the two teams with winning records.
Speaker 1: One of them is a Deshaun Wattle. Deshaun Watson lists
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's team. Could they make a play for the
Speaker 1: number one seed in the AFC? They need some help,
Speaker 1: but it is in striking distance. That's why your game,
Speaker 1: I do agree, could be maybe the bigger news, but
Speaker 1: I'm sticking with them very much.
Speaker 2: Striking distance. And you know one team that could be
Speaker 2: making a play to get into the AFC playoffs. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: tell Denver Broncos. So bigger news that the Broncos won
Speaker 2: their fifth straight or that the seven and four Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Steelers finally eclipsed four hundred yards of offense at their
Speaker 2: firing OC Matt Canada to beat Cincinnati Bengals yesterday.
Speaker 3: Bigger news, JP.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say bigger news is a Denver Broncos because
Speaker 1: I believe the Steelers are the more talented team out
Speaker 1: of these two teams. So the coaching job that Sean
Speaker 1: Payton has done during this five game win streak, I
Speaker 1: think has been remarkable. They have figured out a formula
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson which is limited throws. I think he's
Speaker 1: thrown more than thirty balls only once during this five
Speaker 1: game win streak. He throws for about under two hundred
Speaker 1: yards in each of these games. I think he's only
Speaker 1: top that once during this win streak.
Speaker 5: And what happens if the.
Speaker 1: First read's not there, it's a checkdown Steve or they're
Speaker 1: running the football. I know that makes some people around
Speaker 1: the NFL want to pull their hair out, but they've
Speaker 1: figured out a way to win games. And the other
Speaker 1: part of it is we're seeing the best player on
Speaker 1: that team actually make a massive impact in how they're
Speaker 1: winning these games, and that's cornerback Patrick Sirtan and what
Speaker 1: he does planning that top corner spot. This defense has
Speaker 1: turned the football over like crazy pills right now. And
Speaker 1: a big part of it the Broncos believe by what
Speaker 1: Sirtan has done doing at that corner spot where quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have to hold the ball for another tick for the
Speaker 1: number one receiving op is taken away where they can
Speaker 1: do different things with their defense because you can cover
Speaker 1: part of the field. I think this has been a
Speaker 1: phenomenal coaching job by Sean Payton and the turnaround, which
Speaker 1: we give the credit to defensive coordinator Advance.
Speaker 2: Jokes, it absolutely is the Denver Broncos. Look, the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: steel has got four hundred yards of offense, but they
Speaker 2: always scored sixteen points. I mean, come on, I mean whatever. So,
Speaker 2: but it's absolutely Denver Broncos and JP. Five games win
Speaker 2: five games straight in the NFL is difficult. We thought
Speaker 2: they were dead right. We thought this is the reducts
Speaker 2: of Nathaniel Hackett. At one in five, we thought Vance
Speaker 2: Joseph the defensive coordinator was in trouble.
Speaker 3: And here they go.
Speaker 2: They come out and now they are firmly in the
Speaker 2: cross hairs of making a playoff push. We're gonna find
Speaker 2: out about that as their next opponents coming up at Houston,
Speaker 2: at the Charger there at Detroit. Right, those next three
Speaker 2: games are going to determine whether what you said earlier
Speaker 2: on the NFL Report, JP, that the Broncos will make
Speaker 2: the playoffs, not earlier today, but a couple of episodes ago,
Speaker 2: will absolutely come true. All right, coming up next on
Speaker 2: the NFL Report, Oh, we're going to the NFC North
Speaker 2: and we're going to the NFC West.
Speaker 3: As Jordan Love is he the real deal?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Our Stacy Dale's is about to join us and give
Speaker 2: us the skinny.
Speaker 3: After the break on the NFL report.
Speaker 6: Mons back Craft to the left, snip to Love left
Speaker 6: the left side of the end zone, kids center catch, touchdown,
Speaker 6: questioned Watson. Yes, yes, they make the Lions pay.
Speaker 2: All right, that was ready a call from the Packers
Speaker 2: thanks Giving Day victory over the Detroit Lions, and we
Speaker 2: bring in our Stacey Dales and Stacy you were at
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 5: It was the perfect.
Speaker 2: Complimentary football by the Packers, like you know, the stuffing,
Speaker 2: the macaroni and cheese.
Speaker 3: That went with a turkey on a lot of people's slates.
Speaker 2: But Stacy, I gotta talk about the Packers quarterback Jordan Love.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the team, well, he showcased in
Speaker 2: front of a national audience what he's been playing like
Speaker 2: actually for the past month. What are kind of some
Speaker 2: of the things you're hearing about how the Packers feel
Speaker 2: about Jordan Love, his teammates, front office, whatever, because he
Speaker 2: looks like maybe he's their guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I would say the opponents believe that too.
Speaker 7: You know, when I was preparing for this game, you
Speaker 7: guys know when you have these conversations with opposing defenders
Speaker 7: and they're telling you about what they see on the tape,
Speaker 7: like Alex Sandeloni told me last week before they played,
Speaker 7: you can see why they moved up to get him
Speaker 7: and drafted him where they did, because he's starting to
Speaker 7: look like the franchise quarterback they obviously had played earlier
Speaker 7: in the season, and he just looks so much more
Speaker 7: confidence and that is it's real. I mean watching that
Speaker 7: game in person on Thursday, guys, and talking to Christian
Speaker 7: Watson after that game and then pregame, we learned so
Speaker 7: much on the field, right, James and Steve in terms
Speaker 7: of our conversations with coaches, and we knew, you know,
Speaker 7: the proverbial he's the first one in last guy to leave,
Speaker 7: but he's he's so steady Eddie in his daily and
Speaker 7: has been in his daily endeavors at the facility whether
Speaker 7: they've won or they've lost. Throughout the season. We've been
Speaker 7: waiting for this, and Matt Lafleur said it after this game.
Speaker 7: The coach guys like they can now open up the
Speaker 7: playbook because the chemistry is finally developing with these youngest
Speaker 7: offense in football. It is literally factually the youngest offense
Speaker 7: in the National Football League, and so now you're feeling
Speaker 7: that manifest because all those little things they're doing are
Speaker 7: starting to come together. Early in the year, my conversation
Speaker 7: with one coach was like, it's almost like a bull
Speaker 7: in a China shop type of offense because precision is
Speaker 7: so important with the quarterback and those receivers and the
Speaker 7: offensive line. And now we're starting to see it come
Speaker 7: together and they've won three of their last four games.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm all in on Jordan Love.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 1: I love it, Stace, because I said on the show
Speaker 1: last week, Steve, remember at the end, I was like,
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of defensive coordinators that were like,
Speaker 1: he's about to break out. It's about that monster game
Speaker 1: from what they were seeing from Jordan Love.
Speaker 5: And now we've seen it.
Speaker 1: We've seen it the last couple of weeks, and it's
Speaker 1: fun to watch him grow with his young receivers. Stay,
Speaker 1: let's go to the team that they beat in the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions now, Peter King and his colum because even
Speaker 1: and how we're both Rida is going have the Lions
Speaker 1: eaked with the turnover issues that they've had with them
Speaker 1: being unable.
Speaker 5: To get stops.
Speaker 1: What's your take on being there seeing them have the
Speaker 1: Lions eaped? In our sense because I don't want them to.
Speaker 1: They've been so much fun to watch this year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a great question. I think anytime you see
Speaker 7: them struggle against the Chicago team, though it's a divisional game,
Speaker 7: the comeback that they had to manufacture against the Bears,
Speaker 7: I honestly believe James to answer your question. I think
Speaker 7: it was just a very emotional week. You've got to
Speaker 7: win your divisional games, and you guys know covering this
Speaker 7: league for so long that divisional games are the hardest
Speaker 7: games because you know each other so damn well. And
Speaker 7: you have that emotional roller coaster against Chicago four days later,
Speaker 7: which is the shortest game in the NFL that we
Speaker 7: have all season because it's the turnaround of Thanksgiving at
Speaker 7: twelve thirty kickoff. I just think that they were there
Speaker 7: was something energetically that just wasn't there. I mean, when
Speaker 7: do we ever see as you see on the lower
Speaker 7: third there Jared Goff fumble at three times. I don't
Speaker 7: know if he's ever done that. Actually historically the Packers
Speaker 7: came to play though. What was interesting, guys when I
Speaker 7: walked in the Lions locker room after the game, the
Speaker 7: veterans had all cleared out and you know, you win
Speaker 7: that game, and you can imagine they're probably celebrating the veterans,
Speaker 7: many of them are still in there, probably going to
Speaker 7: talk to the media. Well, it was like it was
Speaker 7: barren in that locker room. They were pissed. So I'll
Speaker 7: be anxious to see how they come out of this
Speaker 7: sort of mini buy and get ready, you know, and
Speaker 7: become the team that we think that they are. Problem is,
Speaker 7: they're just giving up too many points. By the way,
Speaker 7: defensively they are giving up I forget which week it was, whitch,
Speaker 7: but like they're giving up the most points in the
Speaker 7: NFL over these last few weeks, which is concerning.
Speaker 3: Look, we saw the forty nine.
Speaker 2: Ers go through a skill like this where they had other
Speaker 2: troubles and they directified.
Speaker 3: I think the Lions can do it as well. Real
Speaker 3: quick stays he.
Speaker 2: Since you live in Chicago, talk about evaluating Jordan Love.
Speaker 2: Justin Fields is a guy we know the Bears don't
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna do with, and we also don't
Speaker 2: know if the people making the call on that are
Speaker 2: going to be in the building after the season. What's
Speaker 2: kind of feeling about Justin Fields, who did look good
Speaker 2: run the offense in a loss last week.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when his return from his hand injury. There's so
Speaker 7: much to dissect here that we could sit probably and
Speaker 7: talk for hours, hold a couple of cocktails, right like,
Speaker 7: it's here's the talk of the town. His starting record
Speaker 7: in the NFL over three seasons is six and twenty six,
Speaker 7: So he plays like he did. He has over one
Speaker 7: hundred on the ground. He had more designed runs than
Speaker 7: he's ever had against the Lions in that game I
Speaker 7: just alluded to. And they still lose because they don't.
Speaker 3: Know how to finish.
Speaker 7: And unfortunately in this league, that falls on the coach
Speaker 7: in the quarterback. And I think Mike Tomlin and had
Speaker 7: the best quote coming out of their victory over this
Speaker 7: past weekend when he said, quote, guys like myself and Kenny,
Speaker 7: we're judged by winning and losing. We don't run from it.
Speaker 7: We're winners today. But that's Mike Tomlin just stating the facts.
Speaker 7: If you win in the NFL as a quarterback, regardless
Speaker 7: of how you play. Look at Jalen Hurts, James, You're
Speaker 7: there in Philly right now. He's fine in ways to win.
Speaker 7: They are ten and one for a reason because they
Speaker 7: know how to win games. And so the conversations around
Speaker 7: Justin surrounding Justin Fields. Who's up obviously next May, it's
Speaker 7: going to be so fascinating because of all those things
Speaker 7: we're going to talk about, right, who's going to be
Speaker 7: the coach? Is it going to be Mattyberflus Again, what's
Speaker 7: the management going to look like? They've got probably two
Speaker 7: top picks in the draft which will take place before
Speaker 7: the judgment day in May as to whether they extend
Speaker 7: Justin Fields, And then I would just say this, does
Speaker 7: Justin Fields want to be a Chicago Bear because notoriously
Speaker 7: there are so many issues at quarterback and in terms
Speaker 7: of winning over the last decade. You've got to get
Speaker 7: to the root of those problems in Chicago. But unfortunately
Speaker 7: Matty Burfluse doesn't have a win against the division in
Speaker 7: his tenure, and Justin Fields is six and twenty six,
Speaker 7: and I think he would tell you we've got to
Speaker 7: learn how to finish, which he did this week in
Speaker 7: his press conference.
Speaker 3: Oh you're coming back. You are coming back, man. You
Speaker 3: cannot leave us on a cliffhanger like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, cocktails are not Stacy, We're we're chatting this again.
Speaker 3: Yes we are over.
Speaker 7: Let's say, hey the Vikings tonight. Justin's never beat the Vikings.
Speaker 3: There's a start.
Speaker 1: Let's see, hey, that'd be the start, that'd be the star,
Speaker 1: and Stacy's gonna be sitting thanks for having the city
Speaker 1: or a monster one next week between the Eagles and.
Speaker 5: The forty nine this is the aim of maybe the
Speaker 5: season all else.
Speaker 4: Wait, the forty nine Ers the most versatile offense in
Speaker 4: the National Football League.
Speaker 8: I want to play by brocks Purdy, un stappable, vend
Speaker 8: than my competitive.
Speaker 3: EMC is a touchdown machine.
Speaker 4: Turtles a man, say Ben, say.
Speaker 5: Marks out of my game.
Speaker 4: I got everything he needs channel now, but stay Bo
Speaker 4: can't be tackled.
Speaker 3: The forty nine Ers are loaded charge kettle ts three
Speaker 3: touchdown catches tonight not a cat? Fine, boy, are you
Speaker 3: just the best team the Niners have had for a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 6: I'm step a ball down up, So dam's give them
Speaker 6: a show?
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna be get omar Ruiz.
Speaker 2: After getting that highlight film of the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 2: Big oh was in Seattle Thanksgiving to watch the forty
Speaker 2: nine Ers. But the beatdown on the Seahawks. Oh I
Speaker 2: was gonna want to get you in again. Right, they
Speaker 2: think the Seattle cannot beat the forty nine ers, But oh,
Speaker 2: besides that, and more so than just the way that
Speaker 2: the beatdown went, the forty nine Ers now are two
Speaker 2: and oh they are playing their best football of the
Speaker 2: season and moving forward. As James mentioned, they got the
Speaker 2: Eagles next week in Philly. What is kind of the
Speaker 2: feeling coming out of that locker room with the boys in.
Speaker 3: Gold and red.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they're excited.
Speaker 8: I think this is a team that is used to
Speaker 8: playing in big games. As Eric Armstead told me, he
Speaker 8: loves playing in big games as this.
Speaker 5: Is certainly one of them. But they have that proper perspective.
Speaker 8: Obviously, playing in three of four NFC Championship games, several
Speaker 8: of the players have made a Super Bowl run. They
Speaker 8: know that their real goals for the season and aspirations
Speaker 8: can't be accomplished until January and February, but they are
Speaker 8: excited to see where they match up against Philadelphia. We
Speaker 8: all remember the NFC Championship game last year. Asked Trant
Speaker 8: Williams about playing the Philadelphia Eagles the measuring stick component
Speaker 8: of it. I think Philly is one of the few
Speaker 8: teams in the league that can match the physicality, if
Speaker 8: not surpass, what San Francisco brings to the table on
Speaker 8: both sides of the ball. And Williams told me that,
Speaker 8: of course, looking forward to play football coming out on top,
Speaker 8: whether they win or lose this first week of December.
Speaker 8: You know, obviously they have a month left in the
Speaker 8: regular season to figure things out before the playoffs were
Speaker 8: to begin, but certainly a lot of excitement coming out
Speaker 8: of that locker room after the Seattle win on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're heading back to Philadelphia where Brock Perdy's injury happened.
Speaker 1: And you know that that's a chip on this entire
Speaker 1: organization that they've been using this entire off season. What
Speaker 1: about the chip they're using in season as they're heading
Speaker 1: into this game about their quarterback and maybe the places
Speaker 1: he doesn't get respect, which is not the NFL report, right, Steve.
Speaker 2: Repeat, he is our MVP saying all season, well, well,
Speaker 2: you know, Brock Purdy has full faith of that locker room.
Speaker 8: I talked to Fred Warner last week. He told me
Speaker 8: he doesn't know what brought. Priddy has to do more
Speaker 8: to gain that national respect, and I think it's been
Speaker 8: a somewhat of a galvanizing force in the locker room.
Speaker 8: You saw Christian mccaff free, Deebo Samuel, even a defensive
Speaker 8: lineman like Jabon Ginlaw posting on their social media chances
Speaker 8: about channels about Rock Pretty winning the NFC Offensive Player
Speaker 8: of the Week for the first time last week and
Speaker 8: the support that he has there. And asked Pretty about
Speaker 8: that after the game on Thursday, and he told me
Speaker 8: that he appreciates the support, not just last week for
Speaker 8: that successful game he had against Tampa Bay and now
Speaker 8: that they've won three in a row, but really the
Speaker 8: support that he had from the locker room, even during
Speaker 8: the three game losing streak when so many people were
Speaker 8: doubting his ability to play quarterback and questioning whether he
Speaker 8: was truly the quarterback of the future of this team.
Speaker 8: He said that he felt the love.
Speaker 3: It's real.
Speaker 8: It certainly galvanized them, and it's something that they're using
Speaker 8: as a motivational force, it seems to me. And there's
Speaker 8: nothing more dangerous than a talented team than a talented
Speaker 8: team that is motivated, and there certainly are that the
Speaker 8: San Francisco forty nine ers are as they head to
Speaker 8: Philadelphia behind that chip on their shoulder that they collectively
Speaker 8: feel about brock Perty Now.
Speaker 2: Oh, Mary, you talk about team's got a chip on
Speaker 2: its shoulder and it's motivated the Los Angeles Rams, Right,
Speaker 2: this is a team we saw start out and we
Speaker 2: were like, Okay.
Speaker 3: This team's gonna be better than what we thought.
Speaker 2: Then they kind of hit this kid. They've had some
Speaker 2: quarterback injury. Sheu's Matthew Stafford gets hurt. He's back, Omar,
Speaker 2: You and I were at the game last week when
Speaker 2: he just looked absolutely fantastic and healthy. Then't they come
Speaker 2: out and they put another beat down, folks on the
Speaker 2: podcast you can't see you, that's my beatdown. They put
Speaker 2: it on the Arizona Cardinals yesterday with the return of
Speaker 2: running back Hian.
Speaker 3: Williams from ir This is a dangerous team.
Speaker 2: Now, in fact, to the point where they put themselves
Speaker 2: back in playoff contention in the NFC. What were some
Speaker 2: of the things that were coming out of the locker
Speaker 2: room in Arizona yesterday from the Rams.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is an interesting dynamic with the Los Angeles
Speaker 8: Rams because you have Super Bowl MVP in Cooper Cup,
Speaker 8: you have Super Bowl quarterback champion Matthew Stafford, the all everything,
Speaker 8: Aaron Donald, first ballot Hall of Famer, guys who have
Speaker 8: won so many games over the years, with Sean McVay
Speaker 8: and the La Rams, and I asked each of them
Speaker 8: how it feels to maybe be excited about being one
Speaker 8: game out of the playoffs for all they've accomplished, and
Speaker 8: they all gave the answer that Sean McVeigh gave keeping
Speaker 8: it one game at a time, one day at a time,
Speaker 8: and continuing to build. But then at the other side
Speaker 8: of the locker room, we have all that young players,
Speaker 8: and Steve you followed this team as closely as anybody,
Speaker 8: all the growth and talk of development the last couple
Speaker 8: of years. And to see a guy like Kobe Turner,
Speaker 8: a second year defensive lineman, with two sacks yesterday, I
Speaker 8: asked Aaron Donald about that and he just beamed with
Speaker 8: so much pride, had a huge smile on his face
Speaker 8: as he's excited that they can win a lot of
Speaker 8: games because Aaron Donald's still getting triple teams here week
Speaker 8: in and week out, and if a guy like Kobe
Speaker 8: Turner is going to step up with two sacks, they
Speaker 8: had four on the day on Kyler Murray. The real
Speaker 8: excitement not so much at how close they are to
Speaker 8: the playoffs. Their one game out said they have that
Speaker 8: tie breaker over Seattle having swept them in the regular season.
Speaker 8: Thus part if they're able to finish there, the excitement
Speaker 8: is the development and the real time growth that they're
Speaker 8: seeing from these younger players to actually be in this conversation,
Speaker 8: to be in the hunt.
Speaker 5: And Sean McVay said, they've.
Speaker 8: Earned the right to now play meaningful games in December,
Speaker 8: and they have to keep it up to play meaningful
Speaker 8: games into January. So it's an interesting dynamic here with
Speaker 8: the Rams. You have all those established veterans, you have
Speaker 8: these new breed of leaders in the locker room like
Speaker 8: Ernest Jones, all coming together seemingly at the right time
Speaker 8: for the La Rams.
Speaker 5: It's awesome, it's cool.
Speaker 1: And also with the dead money going away guys and
Speaker 1: looking into next year, how it carries over for a way,
Speaker 1: Guys like Aaron Donald.
Speaker 5: Might be on the fence going we might have something
Speaker 5: going here. I think I'm sticking I'm sticking around. I
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 1: Oh maar, appreciate it, buddy goodness, see it?
Speaker 3: And one more point, yeah, well go ahead quick.
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 8: One more point on all that of all the teams
Speaker 8: that are in that hunt with the Rams, you look
Speaker 8: at the quarterback situation, Matthew Stafford by far and away
Speaker 8: is the best quarterback there.
Speaker 5: So as you look toward the rest.
Speaker 3: Of the season.
Speaker 8: Steve mentioned that the two scoring drives he led in
Speaker 8: the fourth quarter last week four touchdowns yesterday against the Cardinals,
Speaker 8: Matthew Stafford could be you know, the ace and the
Speaker 8: hole there as they come down the stretch.
Speaker 5: Great point, Omar, great point. Love it appreciated, buddy. Thank you.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm here for. That's why we love having
Speaker 5: you on. Coming up on the NFL Report, Jeff Shadea.
Speaker 1: It's Monday, it's his first read column, and why not
Speaker 1: talk about the city he lives in, Kansas City.
Speaker 5: The chiefs, Oh, there's no problem in Kansas City. Why
Speaker 5: are we all panicking or coming up in the NFL Report.
Speaker 1: We welcome back into the NFL Report, James Palmer and
Speaker 1: Steve Witch and Jeff Shadeah because it's Monday, and this
Speaker 1: is when we get into it with Jeff in his
Speaker 1: first read. This is when Steve tells you everything he
Speaker 1: dislikes about your column. We gotta start because I teased
Speaker 1: it before we got into this, and we're in your column.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the case for the case against kind
Speaker 1: of teams you trust going down the line, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at number two right there. We'll get to number one,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking at number two with the Kansas City cheap.
Speaker 1: We were in panic mode after Monday night. What was
Speaker 1: the city sinking?
Speaker 5: And now everybody's fine this Monday.
Speaker 9: It's amazing what an AFC West opponent can do for you.
Speaker 9: I always seem to look much better after the Chargers
Speaker 9: go on the schedule, after the Raiders show up, the Broncos,
Speaker 9: everything's right.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, it looked better. That's that's the
Speaker 5: big thing.
Speaker 9: Especially offensively, where you saw some of the change people
Speaker 9: had been hoping to see over the last whatever it's
Speaker 9: been three four weeks. Where you saw a simpler game plan,
Speaker 9: you saw the ball coming out quickly, you saw shorter
Speaker 9: rouse guy like Rashia riis there, getting a lot more
Speaker 9: shadow crosses and hitch and get the ball into the
Speaker 9: hands type plays. And so that's where they really have
Speaker 9: to go with this passing game right now, because you know,
Speaker 9: still there's some questions about what Kadarius Tony who didn't
Speaker 9: play can Do and sky Mood and the other guys.
Speaker 5: I was surprised that the.
Speaker 9: Raiders didn't take Travis Kelcey away like every other defense
Speaker 9: is done over the last month, but certainly encouraging science
Speaker 9: Rashier Rice go over one hundred yards the running game
Speaker 9: being proficient and getting over thirty points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he mentioned Travis Kelcey. He came back big.
Speaker 2: You know, I think they got a break too because
Speaker 2: the Raiders Max Crosby, he was he was limited here.
Speaker 2: But Jeff, another team that you have on this list
Speaker 2: should be number one. Baltimore Ravens. I mean, we saw
Speaker 2: them come out that game against the Chargers was actually
Speaker 2: a really good game. They got four takeaways and they
Speaker 2: have problems getting the ball into the end zone.
Speaker 3: But as you say in here, make the case for
Speaker 3: the Ravens as.
Speaker 2: To why they'll probably be the number one team that
Speaker 2: the AFC could be going through.
Speaker 9: Baltimore most complete team in football. I mean, for my money,
Speaker 9: you look at their offense, their number six and scoring.
Speaker 9: You look at their defense, they're number two in scoring,
Speaker 9: and I know they get a lot of flak because
Speaker 9: they haven't.
Speaker 5: Made a deep playoff run.
Speaker 3: Haven't won a.
Speaker 9: Championship with Lamar Jackson. This is the best they've looked
Speaker 9: since he's been there as far as what they can do,
Speaker 9: the variety of offense, the passing game, you sell, the
Speaker 9: weapons they have with they flowers, can do you see
Speaker 9: him here? Can you score on touchdown as well? In
Speaker 9: this contest? And I feel like they understand the gravity
Speaker 9: of the moment that they may never have a shot
Speaker 9: as good as this one to get that top seed again,
Speaker 9: to have that home field advantage. It's so crucial in
Speaker 9: the way this AFC is tacking up to have those
Speaker 9: two games at home, to have that first round by
Speaker 9: and they're the driver's seat right now if they're able
Speaker 9: to keep winning.
Speaker 5: I know Chiefs have the tiebreaker, but they have to
Speaker 5: play Buffalo.
Speaker 9: They got to play the Packers by ableys have a
Speaker 9: tougher schedule, but again, I feel like they're a more
Speaker 9: equipped team.
Speaker 5: To go get that number one seed.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Jeff, when I look at your third team,
Speaker 1: I want to push it forward real quick.
Speaker 5: It wasn't what we're gonna talk about, guys, but I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I said this to Steve earlier that There is a
Speaker 1: chance that the Jacksonville Jaguar could wind up with the
Speaker 1: number one seed in the AFC if you look at
Speaker 1: what the remaining schedule is, or of their last six
Speaker 1: opponents have losing record, and one of the two teams
Speaker 1: that hasn't winning record are the Browns without Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: How much faith I know you have them as third,
Speaker 1: but if they wind up in that number one seed,
Speaker 1: what would your thought be on the Jacksonville.
Speaker 9: Jack They would feel a lot like the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 9: felt a few years ago when they got the top
Speaker 9: seed and then the Bengals beat them in the optional round.
Speaker 9: Because for me, good like Jacksonville. What's worried me about
Speaker 9: Jacksonville is you don't see them being dominant in the
Speaker 9: way you've seen the Ravens be dominator.
Speaker 5: You know the Chiefs can be dominant.
Speaker 3: Even in Miami.
Speaker 9: That seventy point game was a long time ago against Denver,
Speaker 9: but you know they have a ceiling there that they
Speaker 9: can hit. And with Jacksonville, it just feels as if
Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence is good but not great defense solid.
Speaker 5: This is two weeks in a row.
Speaker 3: It's just two weeks in a Row.
Speaker 5: Jeff n Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Yep it was Thanksgiving week, it was
Speaker 1: Travis Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I'm just saying, well done stretch last year.
Speaker 5: But they got a great schedule. That's part of this.
Speaker 5: That's why Miami's in in the in this as well.
Speaker 9: They have three easy games coming up, and momentum is
Speaker 9: a big thing at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well done to re Jeff to his first
Speaker 2: go to NFL dot Com Slash first read JP didn't.
Speaker 1: Mean a battle a lot of adversity this year, but
Speaker 1: it was there.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna talk about some lost headlines, some things that got
Speaker 2: overshadowed by the big play of others.
Speaker 3: That's coming up on the NFL Report.
Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report and JP as
Speaker 2: you wrap this up on Mondays, you know, we we
Speaker 2: love to spend the show talking about some with great performances,
Speaker 2: but also some of the performances.
Speaker 3: That got overlooked.
Speaker 2: And I want to go back to that Texans Jaguars game,
Speaker 2: and I want to give some props to the Jaguars
Speaker 2: across the board.
Speaker 3: Their offensive line.
Speaker 2: They did not let Trevor Lawrence get sacked in this game,
Speaker 2: which made him look so good. And there were so
Speaker 2: many times, especially in the red zone, where he was clean,
Speaker 2: which leave he's my next Ploat.
Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley was absolutely fantastic. That was the player we
Speaker 3: have been waiting to see in that game. He was
Speaker 3: getting shadowed a lot in that game.
Speaker 2: And lastly, defensive end Josh Allen two and a half sacks,
Speaker 2: one of them coming on the final drive by the
Speaker 2: Texans which resulted in a significant loss, which also led
Speaker 2: to them taking that fifty nine yard field goal that
Speaker 2: jointed off the crossbar. Had he not gotten that sack,
Speaker 2: the way Houston was rolling, they might have got closer
Speaker 2: and an opportunity to score a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Nice to hear somebody giving Trevor Lawrence some love on
Speaker 1: this show now that.
Speaker 5: Jeffs has kicked rocks and he's no longer again segment.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm gonna move to the game that I had Steve,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look at two players. We had great
Speaker 1: quarterback play, we had great skill position play. How about
Speaker 1: the two young interior defensive linemen with the Philadelphi Eagles
Speaker 1: and Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter played more snaps than
Speaker 1: they have ever played in their career. We know they
Speaker 1: rotate up front. We know how good Fletcher Cox is,
Speaker 1: we know how good Milton Williams is. He's one of
Speaker 1: the better guys. Actually on first and second down.
Speaker 5: You talk to guys.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Darius lay About in the locker room,
Speaker 1: just how good the defensive tackle play is for them
Speaker 1: in front of those two rookies that allow them to
Speaker 1: go after the quarterback on third down. They played a
Speaker 1: ton of snaps. Josh Wett told me the Jalen Carter
Speaker 1: he uses moves that are like used by defensive interior
Speaker 1: lineman like twenty thirty years ago. He's like, he is
Speaker 1: killing dudes with these old school moves, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to rely on these guys. We'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with Fletcher Cox and his groin injury.
Speaker 5: He couldn't finish that game.
Speaker 1: One of the toughest players in the league always finds
Speaker 1: a way to get on the field. These guys are
Speaker 1: gonna need to be relied on to play more snaps.
Speaker 1: They played really well against a good Bills offensive line
Speaker 1: and got consistent pressure. Unsung guys usually on the enderior
Speaker 1: portion of the defensive line a lot in this league.
Speaker 5: Steve, I'm gonna give two young guys that were actually
Speaker 5: at a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: About them coming into the NFL on what their character
Speaker 1: was and who they were as players in terms of effort,
Speaker 1: those have not been questioned at all here this season
Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you pointed that out because Baldi R Brian Baldinger,
Speaker 2: who'll be joining us on Thursday, has a great breakdown
Speaker 2: of Jordan Davis actually doing a Reggie White hump move
Speaker 2: where he gets under the offensive lineman and tries to
Speaker 2: go awsom. So you talk about twenty thirty years ago
Speaker 2: when you're going after a stud Hall of Fame or
Speaker 2: first ballot guy, that's how you do it.
Speaker 3: Also lost in.
Speaker 2: Some of this because we didn't get to talk to
Speaker 2: Falcons because I had to give Jeff Toea sub Michigan time,
Speaker 2: was their offensive line play, especially Chris Linstrom and Kayla
Speaker 2: McGarry on the right side. I mean what they were
Speaker 2: doing at the end of that game against New Orleans
Speaker 2: for Tyler Algier and Bejon Robinson to run out the
Speaker 2: clock for Atlanta to beat their rival and to take
Speaker 2: the lead in the NFC South.
Speaker 3: That was overly impressive. But JP coming up on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Speaking of those Falcons, we're gonna have safety.
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates joining us here on the NFL Report.
Speaker 3: We saw him at that ninety two yard pick six.
Speaker 2: He also has a great my cause my cleats that
Speaker 2: we are going to hear about.
Speaker 3: Great job, JP.
Speaker 2: Please get home from Philadelphia safely, listen to the podcast,
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