Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing.
Speaker 1: It grub a dub dub with a Efron and the tub.
Speaker 3: A dream, Yes, high school Fantasy the Tub. Yes, honestly,
Speaker 3: we are so excited about this having Dylan Efron on
Speaker 3: our podcast.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a digital creator and adventure enthusiast. But
Speaker 1: to me, he stole the show in season three of
Speaker 1: The Traders as a Faithful, as a Faithful and spoiler alert.
Speaker 5: They won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he won.
Speaker 5: He's one of the winners.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's bring him on in.
Speaker 5: Let's bring him on in. Everyone welcome Dylan Ephron.
Speaker 1: Okay, we amportant question before we jump right in. Who
Speaker 1: on your team is a scrubber? Oh, there's gotta be
Speaker 1: someone on your team because the word on the street
Speaker 1: is that we were the lucky podcast to get you.
Speaker 1: And I was like, there's got to be someone on
Speaker 1: his team.
Speaker 5: Maybe a good podcast.
Speaker 1: Tanya okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: I wish I had answer.
Speaker 2: It's me.
Speaker 4: I've been No. I'm behind on podcasts because I switched
Speaker 4: to audio books. I did all the a Qatar and
Speaker 4: Fourth Wing. So I like, I've heard about this. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I switched all that, like all my audiobooks, our podcast
Speaker 4: around pause now for these audio books.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question since we're jumping right into that,
Speaker 2: because that was one of my questions. I've heard that
Speaker 2: you're into the Fourth Wing series. As someone I don't
Speaker 2: really like fantasy and dragons and stuff, but people are
Speaker 2: obsessed with the series.
Speaker 5: If you were to give an elevator pitch to.
Speaker 2: Someone who has no end trist, what what is your
Speaker 2: elevator pitch?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got that like Hunger Games level of like
Speaker 4: a fictional world in a way, so like and yeah,
Speaker 4: and Harry Potter. Okay, there it is like a Harry
Speaker 4: Potter like they go to Hogwarts. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: that with dragons, a lot of sex.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you don't like Harry Potter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you don't like Harry Potter, you're probably not
Speaker 4: book that has.
Speaker 1: Like a million pages.
Speaker 5: No, they're good.
Speaker 2: They're just a good sized novel to just the traditional novels.
Speaker 4: It's not like like what's what's the one that was
Speaker 4: just made into a movie. Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, somebody try to get me to
Speaker 1: read this book and then literally it was like this thick.
Speaker 2: I was like audio, do you have any I know
Speaker 2: that there have been roles that you audition for in
Speaker 2: traditional acting, in the acting.
Speaker 4: World on I've only auditioned once, just once, Yeah, Star Wars.
Speaker 4: Star Wars.
Speaker 5: Was it where you just like, well, I have to
Speaker 5: do it because I.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is back when I work to Warner Brothers.
Speaker 4: I specifically got asked to audition because they were looking
Speaker 4: for someone who wasn't an actor relatively unknown, and I
Speaker 4: said no. And then I'm like working my nine to
Speaker 4: five and a coworker, Emanual was just like I told them,
Speaker 4: like yeah, oh, it was like, oh, they're still casting
Speaker 4: that movie. I was like they reached out to me
Speaker 4: like two months ago, and he's like and you said no,
Speaker 4: And I was just like why, It's like you're dyling
Speaker 4: and you just like gave me this like pitch, like
Speaker 4: you're an idiot, Like if they asked for you, you
Speaker 4: should have gone. So then I ended up asking my
Speaker 4: brother's manager at the time. I was just like, hey,
Speaker 4: are they still casting that? They were. I walked in
Speaker 4: and was like I had to memorize lines for the
Speaker 4: first time and stuff, and it went really well. It
Speaker 4: was actually super fun. The casting people love me. And
Speaker 4: then I had the classic experience where they were like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're taking the role a different way, which actually blew
Speaker 4: my mind because so I was like, there's no way
Speaker 4: that they tell everyone what they told me because they
Speaker 4: were so nice to me. They were like, that was
Speaker 4: the best one of the day. We loved it. And
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden they were like, we're taking
Speaker 4: this character a different direction, which, in all fairness, they
Speaker 4: went a very different direction with the character.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they weren't lying to you.
Speaker 4: They weren't lying at all. I saw the person that
Speaker 4: was cast and he's a different ethnicity and from y
Speaker 4: he from the UK. It was very very different than me.
Speaker 4: So they really did take the character a different way.
Speaker 2: That takes me back to my time when I was
Speaker 2: being cast for The Bachelor and I went up to
Speaker 2: meet the casting producers and they were like, we see
Speaker 2: you going so far.
Speaker 5: And I was like hyped up. I was like, there's
Speaker 5: no way they to say that to everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I got dumped in a barn in Iowa,
Speaker 2: and I was like, dang.
Speaker 5: I did get far though it's just not the farthest.
Speaker 2: So transitioning into reality TV. I'm fascinated by this because
Speaker 2: watching The Trader you we watched.
Speaker 5: We've watched like.
Speaker 2: A bunch of seasons where it was the UK and
Speaker 2: the Australian version, which are just like normal people, right,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: I've literally seen every season of every country that they offer.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorites are the Australian season too.
Speaker 5: The Australian season two in the ending is the one
Speaker 5: that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that ending was awesome, and the UK season
Speaker 4: two is awesome too.
Speaker 1: I like that like a Netherlands one.
Speaker 4: I think there's so many countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally we've watched all of them.
Speaker 4: People tell me I need to watch like the Polish
Speaker 4: one or something like that. They were Scandinavia or something.
Speaker 1: One other one I can't remember.
Speaker 4: There's one country that they're like, if you can read subtitles,
Speaker 4: which I can.
Speaker 5: Audio version, I could.
Speaker 4: Definitely do that. They were like the strategy in that
Speaker 4: game is next to like the other ones are just cakewalk.
Speaker 4: They're like strategy and this one is cutthrow and it's
Speaker 4: a whole different game. I'm like, all right, I'm into that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to start that well.
Speaker 2: So when when you come on the celebrity version for
Speaker 2: the US, it was interesting because everyone on the cast
Speaker 2: we've seen in some sort of version of a reality
Speaker 2: TV show, So whether it was a competition series or
Speaker 2: reality dating show, Like we've kind of know these people,
Speaker 2: but we know you just from like I feel like
Speaker 2: i've this is a confession, but I feel like I
Speaker 2: folowed you for a long time just for yeah, and
Speaker 2: I feel like people knew you, but like no one
Speaker 2: knew you in a way that we knew like your
Speaker 2: strategy or how you your personality, how you were going
Speaker 2: to go in terms of the game. So was that
Speaker 2: fun for you going on like kind of being like
Speaker 2: a newbie, Yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Was fun, nerve wrecking, it was everything because it was
Speaker 4: a huge advantage that no one knows who I am.
Speaker 4: Like Boston Robb, everyone knows who everyone knows he's cutthroat,
Speaker 4: So no one knows who I am. And my authentic
Speaker 4: personality is like I'm friendly and I'm practical, and like
Speaker 4: I have a good like sense of relationships, So like
Speaker 4: I knew I was gonna figure it out in there
Speaker 4: and make a lot of friends and a lot of
Speaker 4: good relationships. So It was a blessing me just because
Speaker 4: I was able to fly into the radar. Yeah, when
Speaker 4: the cast was announced that everyone's like so excited. They're saying,
Speaker 4: like winners of the season are gonna be Wes or Carolyn,
Speaker 4: like they all knew them and they were already favorites.
Speaker 4: I was done with Sam as Gary where it's like
Speaker 4: why were these two people cast? So it was fun
Speaker 4: because I get home from Scotland and I like listen
Speaker 4: to a few podcasts where they're like just saying who's
Speaker 4: gonna win, And it was always just like Dylan Efron,
Speaker 4: what the heck?
Speaker 1: Like, well, yeah, yeah, I didn't understand like the time.
Speaker 1: So when they cast you, they don't tell you who
Speaker 1: else is cast. They just say you're on it. Did
Speaker 1: they have like you were like you were a fan
Speaker 1: of the show. When you like audition, do you audition?
Speaker 4: Yes? So i'd only watched season two of UK. I
Speaker 4: did not audition.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: It was Dina Katz at NBC. She's likes I owe
Speaker 4: her so much.
Speaker 1: For taking Dancing with the Stars too, right, I think?
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah, like they took a
Speaker 4: risk on me for sure, Like I was definitely one
Speaker 4: of the people on the cast where they're like this
Speaker 4: is either going to work out well or it's he
Speaker 4: is going to be what everyone thinks and he's going
Speaker 4: to be eliminated first and it won't affect this. So
Speaker 4: like they took a risk on me, and I'm so
Speaker 4: so grateful to them.
Speaker 1: For doing Okay, So they're like, you're on, You're on
Speaker 1: the next season. When from that point on, when they
Speaker 1: say that you're on, when do you then go, like
Speaker 1: to the castle.
Speaker 4: I was busy because I was in Australia shooting something
Speaker 4: with my brother. I was like doing social media stuff,
Speaker 4: so like I knew, I knew the offer was there.
Speaker 4: So in the background, I was like watching some other seasons.
Speaker 4: I watched the Australia season two in UK and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, okay, I actually do want to do this.
Speaker 4: So I committed maybe a month before going, and in
Speaker 4: that month, I'm telling you, I was like rock climbing
Speaker 4: in Moab. I was in Australia. I was playing Jimmy
Speaker 4: Fallon's golf tournament. I didn't prep at all, Like while
Speaker 4: everyone's getting their outfits ready, I was playing golf in Jimmy.
Speaker 1: I have like so many questions. So like, okay, so
Speaker 1: I thought that they like dressed you like that you
Speaker 1: always had to like pick from clothes in the castle everybody.
Speaker 1: This is also broad, yes.
Speaker 4: And trusting, Like I'm wearing a tank top right now,
Speaker 4: Like I was not ready for that, Like I love fashion,
Speaker 4: but I live in California, so most of the time
Speaker 4: I'm in a board towards So like now it's I said, yes,
Speaker 4: a month, I'm traveling. I've got probably a week to
Speaker 4: go through my wardrobe and figure this out.
Speaker 1: And like and then how long is your time in
Speaker 1: like if you make it from like the beginning to
Speaker 1: the end, what's like the time of Like it's one
Speaker 1: month pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a long time without my phone, without without
Speaker 4: talking to anyone.
Speaker 1: Really, do you get to watch TV?
Speaker 4: Daytime TV?
Speaker 1: So do you just listen to me?
Speaker 4: No, you don't get any Like you don't get Netflix,
Speaker 4: you don't get anything. It's daytime television.
Speaker 1: So you're watching like what the like?
Speaker 4: No, So I'm watching the best one was Everybody Loves Raymond,
Speaker 4: Like I had watched it in the past. Now I've
Speaker 4: watched pretty much all all of them. It's a great show.
Speaker 4: I watched him get older as I watched. I watched Fraser,
Speaker 4: which I'm not that like. That was like like kill
Speaker 4: me time, Like when Fraser's on and I've got nothing
Speaker 4: to do, That's that's when I would go work out
Speaker 4: or do some setups. Then Love Island came out maybe
Speaker 4: week four, like episode four or five. Love Island came
Speaker 4: out the UK version, and I was so excited.
Speaker 1: Season that's that's my favorite show.
Speaker 4: It was the most recent season, no the one before that.
Speaker 4: I guess, okay, okay, it wasn't a good season.
Speaker 1: So bad, so bad. So it was so disappointed and
Speaker 1: finish it and I'm like, die hard.
Speaker 4: It was bad. It was the first time where I
Speaker 4: watched it was like they to switch the show up
Speaker 4: because it's it's broken now. They're all ye.
Speaker 1: So I actually switched from UK the USA that season amazing.
Speaker 4: I think it was the people in the UK version
Speaker 4: were too young this time, and they all sounded the same.
Speaker 4: It was the same like West Essex and they all
Speaker 4: looked the same.
Speaker 1: The guys and the girls. I was like, I can't even.
Speaker 1: It was very I'm so glad you had that.
Speaker 4: I was very excited and very let down. Went back to.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves m How much downtime do you have?
Speaker 4: Not a lot? They give it to you when you
Speaker 4: need it. So it's like we would go through a day,
Speaker 4: a few days of very little sleep, and then they
Speaker 4: could just tell when we show up to set our
Speaker 4: energies low. I was sick almost four of the episodes
Speaker 4: that you can hear me, like if you watched it again,
Speaker 4: you might notice it. But like I, I was sick
Speaker 4: like the Sierra vo I couldn't actually talk that day
Speaker 4: and I was sniffling, so like I, we went through
Speaker 4: the ringer out there. It was cold, but yeah, they
Speaker 4: if they could tell everybody was in rough shape, they'd
Speaker 4: give us a rest day. So we had. They took
Speaker 4: care of us in that way.
Speaker 5: Did you do you all sleep in the house.
Speaker 1: Yes, they like the castles were like whatever everything happens,
Speaker 1: and that they don't actually sleep in the castle.
Speaker 5: Well, because he said when we should have set.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of rumors out there, like the.
Speaker 1: Shots that they shoot of you guys, like in the bathtub,
Speaker 1: like when they're trying to vote you out and stuff
Speaker 1: that's all like pre done. You're not like actually doing
Speaker 1: that before bed.
Speaker 4: It's like a scene. Yeah, like maybe on an off
Speaker 4: day they would call call, Yeah, we'd have to go
Speaker 4: do some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like because when we watched I watch it with
Speaker 1: my step kids and they're like, why is he doing
Speaker 1: like pull up? Like why is she doing this? I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not really like they're not actually doing this.
Speaker 4: I knew those scenes were in there. I'm like, they're
Speaker 4: gonna I could do something. I was the only one
Speaker 4: I was going to say no to. You've see my instagram.
Speaker 4: I'm not bashful with my shirt off and stuff. But
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't really want to take a shower.
Speaker 4: Luckily Sara was like, I'll do the shower.
Speaker 5: Sam said, this is my moment tomed at a bath.
Speaker 4: They got the bad ones. I just got to work out.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 2: When you were chosen to be on the show, were
Speaker 2: you hoping that you'd be a trader or faithful?
Speaker 4: Faithful?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: But it was a weird spot because like I've I've
Speaker 4: played Mafia before, like and I know I don't enjoy
Speaker 4: being a trader as much, but it's that's the beauty
Speaker 4: of games. Is supposed to be random. So like I
Speaker 4: didn't want to go in there and ruin the game
Speaker 4: and be like, I will only go if I'm a faithful.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to be a faithful But even when
Speaker 4: I'm talking to Alan, I'm like, yeah, I would be
Speaker 4: a trader if you make me one, but I did
Speaker 4: not want to be one.
Speaker 5: So if Danielle had recruited you, I.
Speaker 4: Would have had to Oh, that would have beenn ultimatum,
Speaker 4: would have gone home. Yeah, I either would have left,
Speaker 4: which a fat chance I'm doing that. I'm too competitive
Speaker 4: to leave it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there was that.
Speaker 2: There was that moment because I know there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of comparison with Pilot Pete where he was chosen
Speaker 2: and said no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that one wasn't an ultimatum. So and this
Speaker 4: is where the rules get crazy. It's like earlier in
Speaker 4: the season, if they recruit, if they recruit, it's not
Speaker 4: an ultimatum, and you can say yes or no. And
Speaker 4: if if Pilot Pete would have said yes, then there's
Speaker 4: no murder that night. Yeah, But for an ultimatum, which
Speaker 4: only happens at the very end, when there's one trader left,
Speaker 4: you can still murder that night. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: So that that's why Tom, That's why Tom was murdered,
Speaker 4: but Brittany was recruited because it was an ultimatum he had.
Speaker 4: She had to say yes, where Pilot Pete didn't have
Speaker 4: to say yes.
Speaker 5: Oh that's right, Yeah he was. He didn't have to
Speaker 5: risk the murder of it of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying that you and Tom kind of
Speaker 2: figured out that it was Danielle.
Speaker 5: It was the night after when Krishelle went home.
Speaker 4: Right, that was when it's our brain started clicking.
Speaker 5: Were you?
Speaker 2: Because I was like, from the beginning, you were so
Speaker 2: locked in, like you had Bob the Drag Queen so fat.
Speaker 1: Then I got like so frustrated with you because I
Speaker 1: was like he was so good, and then I was
Speaker 1: like Dylan bamboozled by Danielle.
Speaker 4: It's tough because I was bamboos like there's no arguing that.
Speaker 4: But it was also like, since I got Bob the
Speaker 4: Drag Queen, it wasn't my best interest to like take
Speaker 4: more of a back seat because now the only way
Speaker 4: I'm going home is if I'm murdered. No one was
Speaker 4: going to banish me after that because it was like
Speaker 4: so clear I was a faithful I was the only
Speaker 4: one going after Bob. Bob the drag queen. So it's
Speaker 4: like a trader. Wouldn't Traine turn on a trader episode
Speaker 4: one or episode two? When I decided to go after it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like so everyone there knew I was a
Speaker 4: faithful It was such a good spot. So it was like,
Speaker 4: I just was working on my relationships a lot.
Speaker 1: How do you trust anybody like I would?
Speaker 4: Don't you don't? Like I thought Gabby was a trader,
Speaker 4: so I was saying her name. I thought Bob h was,
Speaker 4: but I never said his name, Like I was wrong
Speaker 4: in the middle a lot. It's a tough game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels really challenging.
Speaker 2: And also if there was a season where the traders
Speaker 2: would trade on each other episode one or two, it
Speaker 2: would have been the.
Speaker 5: Cast of this season.
Speaker 4: Yes, totally, because.
Speaker 2: There were so many episodes where I was like, why
Speaker 2: are they just like battling it out so aggressively with
Speaker 2: each other?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happened. When like they put gamers up there,
Speaker 4: it was like if I was up there, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: My goal wouldn't be to get my fellow traders out.
Speaker 4: But they're all gamers. They know if they're the last
Speaker 4: one standing, they can control the room. They can take
Speaker 4: all the money at the end. So you put four
Speaker 4: people out there that are all thinking that way, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a hostel.
Speaker 5: I'll soon into it. Do you feel like Boston Robb
Speaker 5: was a trader?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: I didn't know he was a trader? You really know?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 5: You never even suspected it.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to suspect. So that's the beauty of
Speaker 4: this game is Like there's people like Bob, Bob the
Speaker 4: drag Queen for me, wasn't in my core alliances. I
Speaker 4: was very friendly with him. I really like him, but
Speaker 4: he wasn't like, like I knew his core alliance was
Speaker 4: Gabby Bob Age, Like he had people that he's always with.
Speaker 4: So like, for me, that's someone I can want. I
Speaker 4: know there's four traders, that's one I can target. So
Speaker 4: Boston rob he's probably the guy that I trust the most.
Speaker 4: He helped me get a trader out and I know
Speaker 4: he has my back after that, So why would I
Speaker 4: try to get him out of this game? But that
Speaker 4: that really is it? So everyone wants him out. Like
Speaker 4: I'm hearing every day people saying Boston robbed the trader,
Speaker 4: Like we need to get him out and I'm the
Speaker 4: opposite voice because I was like, I don't want him
Speaker 4: to leave this game, Like I know it's a numbers game.
Speaker 2: Well, if you had gotten this seer, if you had
Speaker 2: won this year, who would you have questioned?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it would have been the Iver because
Speaker 4: not because he was a trader, just because that's that
Speaker 4: power is scary. So I would have used it on
Speaker 4: someone that I knew as a faithful to just like
Speaker 4: have one person that I know is a faithful and
Speaker 4: not because imagine, let's say I got Brittany. Now I'm
Speaker 4: saying she's a trader. She's going to say I'm a trader. Ye,
Speaker 4: we're both screwed. So it's really like you have to
Speaker 4: use that power to find the person that you want
Speaker 4: to end the game with. And I would have probably
Speaker 4: used them on Ivor or Gabby.
Speaker 2: This is interesting because you are a producer, so like
Speaker 2: you were like, actually like in a producer, ryanes Nut.
Speaker 4: You see me when my gears click, And I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: there is a chance that Gabby's a trader. That was
Speaker 4: because at that point she was like the person I
Speaker 4: trusted the most, So then all of a sudden I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, there's a one person chance that I
Speaker 4: can't trust her, which is like screwing me up now.
Speaker 4: So towards the end, Gabby, Iver and Dolores, like I
Speaker 4: trusted them all a lot, but I probably would have
Speaker 4: ended the game with Gabby. People think that's like hindsight
Speaker 4: of me saying that, But Gaby and I were working
Speaker 4: together to get Danielle out, and like after that, Krashelle
Speaker 4: bo I was very much like supporting Gabby in that way,
Speaker 4: and she was supporting me.
Speaker 1: WHOA, well, how like when did the actual show? Not
Speaker 1: the airing of the show, When did the actual show?
Speaker 1: When did you finish filming?
Speaker 4: Like June June of last year?
Speaker 1: Maybe no, Yeah, so you just go back home and
Speaker 1: like just like living your normal life. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it premiered the following year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it. I just recently saw my first
Speaker 4: post after it was like the season is going to
Speaker 4: be so good, and it was like me in the
Speaker 4: sun with my dog. I was like, yeah, that sounds
Speaker 4: about right, Like I just wanted to get in the sun.
Speaker 4: It was like the start of summer. I was like,
Speaker 4: let's get back into my normal life.
Speaker 1: And you're not allowed to tell anybody what happened.
Speaker 4: Obviously, Yeah, I'm not supposed to at all, Like I
Speaker 4: probably told my closest people. But then it's also like
Speaker 4: you don't know at that point, like no one unless
Speaker 4: you love the show, they don't. There's no following yet.
Speaker 1: For the right, right, yeah right.
Speaker 4: And then the cool part is wants to show starts.
Speaker 4: No one wants to know. They don't want to get spoiled. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: that's fair, which is so cool because I would I
Speaker 4: would think it's the opposite, like you're sucked in. You're like,
Speaker 4: tell me if Danielle leaves this week. I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to know. They like say no spoilers, no spoilers.
Speaker 1: And then you guys did the reunion I'm assuming after
Speaker 1: it aired.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the reunion fresh, Yeah, the reunion we had. We
Speaker 4: were watching in real time, so we hadn't seen the
Speaker 4: last three episodes, and we watch all the three episodes
Speaker 4: before the reunion, but like a lot of us were
Speaker 4: watching on two x speed, like trying to. I had
Speaker 4: a pack day that day. It was like I had
Speaker 4: two hours to watch it, so I was brushing through it.
Speaker 2: When so you go, it's so interesting because I don't
Speaker 2: think people can grasp the concept. Like obviously you've had
Speaker 2: experience in the public eye with your brother and and
Speaker 2: being a producer, and but such a small glimpse of
Speaker 2: it in terms of the attention being on you. So
Speaker 2: you go on the show that's like massively popular. You
Speaker 2: don't know how you're going to be perceived, You don't
Speaker 2: know how it's gonna be edited. You just know like
Speaker 2: what you did while you were there. And then the
Speaker 2: show comes out and he's like the baby girl. You're
Speaker 2: so baby girl. Everyone's like Dylan Efron's baby girl, and
Speaker 2: everyone's like obsessed with you?
Speaker 5: Is he single? What's his deal?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What you said? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: You had idea you were acting so baby girl. I
Speaker 1: know you're the definition. Like if you ask Chattibt, who
Speaker 1: is baby girl?
Speaker 5: Like your photos there, tell me I didn't know what
Speaker 5: that meant. Like a week ago, so I watched a
Speaker 5: month ago. Okay, yeah, like a month ago.
Speaker 4: I watched the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think very different.
Speaker 4: Different my honest answers, I didn't know. And even in
Speaker 4: the Castle, again it's my first show, I felt like
Speaker 4: I didn't have any weight there. So I felt like
Speaker 4: a lot of times, I was the one that would
Speaker 4: like I'm starving and I'm like, I need food right now.
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, why didn't you ask for food. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I didn't know you could. Like it was such a
Speaker 4: new learning experience for me that I had no idea.
Speaker 4: So I'm watching with America the first episode and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm told of my friends. I'm like, dude, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be in the beginning of the show. I
Speaker 4: was like, I really am going to come on strong. Later,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to be in this
Speaker 4: first episode. And all of a sudden, I see me
Speaker 4: with like a bunch of confessionals. I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 4: I'm like, why are they featuring me so much? And
Speaker 4: so I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't because you didn't think they were going to
Speaker 2: feature you because you won.
Speaker 4: There's such cool personalities on there, they're not going to
Speaker 4: focus on me. I didn't know what to do in
Speaker 4: the confessionals. I'm like look staring at the wall, being like,
Speaker 4: what am I supposed to talk about? And then they're
Speaker 4: using them. So it was a surprise to me. It
Speaker 4: really was.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: I really thought I was going to I have like
Speaker 4: the sam as Gary Ark where I was very quiet
Speaker 4: and didn't speak a lot, and then towards the end
Speaker 4: I got vocal.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it feels like I didn't get
Speaker 1: to know him at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was kind of a strategy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: he wanted to fly under the radar and he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did a little too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little too much.
Speaker 1: I would have liked a little more from them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we were talking about how the casting producer also
Speaker 2: does Dance with the Stars. Is that a reality show
Speaker 2: that you would ever participate in.
Speaker 4: I would need to do my research the same same
Speaker 4: way I do with my research on traders, just because
Speaker 4: I like, look, my brand is I love doing things
Speaker 4: to make me uncomfortable, learning new things and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So I love that aspect of it. But dancing on
Speaker 4: stage is so not what I do. I'm like, it
Speaker 4: was my first reality show, was my first time, Like
Speaker 4: I was such a shy, bashball kid like, so to
Speaker 4: go dance in front of a live audience, it would
Speaker 4: my heart would be pounding through my chest. But yeah
Speaker 4: it sounds fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I can't think of a more potting
Speaker 2: yourself out there experience.
Speaker 4: Yes, so I look, I don't want to say no
Speaker 4: at all, but it would it would be a lot
Speaker 4: for me. I'd have to be rid.
Speaker 1: Do you have like the reality show bug? Now? Like
Speaker 1: do you want are you already thinking about like what
Speaker 1: you want to do next in that regard.
Speaker 4: Reality and and and just anything? Like I like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've always been open, like I want cool experiences, like
Speaker 4: I've even been open, like I said, I've been on
Speaker 4: one audition in my life, like I am down to
Speaker 4: like I had a lot of fun doing that, So
Speaker 4: I'm down to go try it, try my hand to acting,
Speaker 4: see if I can do that. I just want to
Speaker 4: keep pushing myself and see what I'm capable of. So
Speaker 4: I'm always down for shows like if I can go
Speaker 4: and have a Like playing games as a kid is
Speaker 4: what I've did was my favorite things I'm not going
Speaker 4: to do as an adult. It's like the best job
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Survivor as a show that you loved.
Speaker 2: Now having done Traders, would you consider doing a survivalist
Speaker 2: show like that?
Speaker 4: I would. I think I think like Survivor level Survivor
Speaker 4: is like so easy for me, Like same with special
Speaker 4: forces like I can, I can do that stuff easy alone,
Speaker 4: like something or like naked and afraid. Those would kick
Speaker 4: my ass and I'm like, not afraid to say it.
Speaker 4: I used to be a dirt bag. I'm a little
Speaker 4: I'm not so much anymore.
Speaker 2: It's like as you get older, I feel like our
Speaker 2: brains start to like develop and be like is that safe?
Speaker 5: Is that comfortable?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: And it's just like the bug bites like I have.
Speaker 4: I know a friend that went on that show and
Speaker 4: her legs are still scarred to this day, making an afraid. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she is gnarly scarring from all the bugs. And at
Speaker 4: that point, I'm like, no, I don't I probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: do alone. I don't know. I don't want to go
Speaker 4: live in Alaska for the Yeah, I love my life.
Speaker 1: I feel like Survivor doesn't do they only do They
Speaker 1: don't do any sort of like celebrity seasons, which I
Speaker 1: think is a miss. If anybody watching knows anybody at Survivor,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're missing that element because I feel
Speaker 1: like it'd be so cool if they had like a
Speaker 1: celebrity season.
Speaker 4: I think they used to do celebrity Big Brother, and
Speaker 4: they don't eveno, yeah, or.
Speaker 2: If like the Ogs could bring someone like Boston Rob
Speaker 2: could like season fifty thering coach.
Speaker 1: Who from this cast from Traders have you like kept
Speaker 1: really close contact.
Speaker 4: With But like I was just golfing last yesterday with
Speaker 4: Boston Rob in Florida, So of course Boston Robb Sam.
Speaker 4: The hard part is, like I'm so it's a weird
Speaker 4: part about social media, Like that's where I make my living,
Speaker 4: that's what I what I do, and so I'm it's
Speaker 4: such a blessing to be that I have friends all
Speaker 4: over the world. Like one of my best friends lives
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas, so it's like I don't see him
Speaker 4: more than once or twice a year. One of my
Speaker 4: best friends lives in the Philippines, so it's like I
Speaker 4: have really good friends all around the world, so I
Speaker 4: don't see them that much, but they're really close. That's
Speaker 4: how this cast is with me. Like the ones that
Speaker 4: are in LA, I've seen Sam quite quite often. I
Speaker 4: stay in touch with Tom. I was just with Gabby
Speaker 4: in New York. So like the people that live in LA,
Speaker 4: I'm going to see more than anyone else, but I'm
Speaker 4: friends with all of them. Really, it's such Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: the best part of the show.
Speaker 2: I feel like y'all had y'all's cast had like a
Speaker 2: really close dynamic. Yeah, you can tell that y'all actually
Speaker 2: enjoyed each other for the most part.
Speaker 4: That's the beauty. We didn't have our phones. All we
Speaker 4: have is each other. There's a lot of downtime where
Speaker 4: you're just learning about each other's lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you so you said on another podcast that
Speaker 2: you are in a relationship but you keep it private.
Speaker 2: Did she have a hard time with you being gone?
Speaker 2: Was that the longest y'all have been apart?
Speaker 4: We used to do longest since so she's later she
Speaker 4: was she pushed me to do the show because she's
Speaker 4: said that like, like from my social media, you can't
Speaker 4: really get my personality. And she was like, if you
Speaker 4: ever put your person personality out there on one of
Speaker 4: these shows, people fall in love with you the way
Speaker 4: that I fell in love with you. But I've always
Speaker 4: been a little more hesitant to do that. So she
Speaker 4: pushed me to do it, and so, yeah, she loved it.
Speaker 5: What a gal.
Speaker 2: She's like, listen to the whole world's about the fall
Speaker 2: mom with my man, but.
Speaker 5: Let them mel Robbins.
Speaker 1: It's so true. Actually, I feel like I started to
Speaker 1: like find out about you. I don't remember how many
Speaker 1: years ago it was, but Jason Kennedy.
Speaker 4: Are you still Forry Fords him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love Jason Okay, okay, yeah he and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And then I think idea. I was like,
Speaker 1: he's like into like extreme sports and like that, which.
Speaker 4: I'm sure is like totally.
Speaker 1: But like you really are just like this like kind
Speaker 1: of like America sweetheart in a way.
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: I'm serious.
Speaker 2: Well, you were saying before the podcast started that you
Speaker 2: you did van life, but you've since retired van line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got an apartment. That was what I did
Speaker 4: with my prize money. Is I've been living in a
Speaker 4: one bedroom like by the beach, but it's like it
Speaker 4: was a small spot. And then I got like a
Speaker 4: nice home like not I didn't buy it, but I'm
Speaker 4: renting like a night my first nice home with a
Speaker 4: dishwasher like so yeah, I'm very much not van lifing.
Speaker 4: I use it as my daily driver, whipping around Los
Speaker 4: Angeles in a big Sprinter van.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's tough.
Speaker 4: And a week in Warrior, like I love that's if
Speaker 4: I'm in La for over a week, I'm going out
Speaker 4: to Joshua Tree, I'm going into the desert and high
Speaker 4: lining or rock climbing.
Speaker 5: So wow, just like an adventure, is your.
Speaker 1: Girlfriend also adventury? Does she like to rock climb and
Speaker 1: stuff or like is it like opposite to tract?
Speaker 4: No, she does. She does do it, but she's not
Speaker 4: the one that's like I'm bringing her to do it with.
Speaker 1: Me, like she is doing it with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she won't say no, but it's not like she
Speaker 4: would be rock climbing by herself.
Speaker 5: Definitely, she's not leaving you on the weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's she's happy to stay at home a lot
Speaker 4: of times, but if she can go, Like I just
Speaker 4: went rock climbing with her and Joshua Tree, and I
Speaker 4: was like, that's when it's fun for me too, because
Speaker 4: like I get to see her and she's scared and
Speaker 4: she's trying her hardest, saying she can't do it, and
Speaker 4: then she did it, and it's like I like, if
Speaker 4: I would have just done that alone, it's not that fun.
Speaker 4: I see all that she went through and it's like
Speaker 4: such a fun experience.
Speaker 2: That's so nice. Did she do van life with you. No,
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds cool. I mean.
Speaker 5: Beautiful adventures you.
Speaker 4: Learn, Like I got pretty OCD when I was living
Speaker 4: in the van. It's like because it's just such a
Speaker 4: small spot, so you have to be organized with all
Speaker 4: your things in there. You have to be imagine someone
Speaker 4: like walking in with muddy shoes into your living room
Speaker 4: and it's like stuff like that, you get really OCD.
Speaker 4: And it was before we had like all the van
Speaker 4: lifers now have Wi Fi with the starlink, Like that's
Speaker 4: a game changer. Like if I had starlink back in
Speaker 4: the day, I probably would have got over to Connecticut
Speaker 4: and just driven across the US.
Speaker 2: Wait, but I have a question, So do you feel
Speaker 2: like most like, did you have OCD tendencies in terms
Speaker 2: of keeping things clean before van life?
Speaker 4: No, it creates it. I think it created it is
Speaker 4: that common. Maybe it's just easier to ignore when you
Speaker 4: have more space, interesting, you have more clutter and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. You really strip down your life. It's like
Speaker 4: you need ten shirts, you need ten pair of pants.
Speaker 4: That's a lot less than that, and so it really
Speaker 4: you really stripped down only two essentials.
Speaker 2: It's fun when you were growing up watching your brother
Speaker 2: who was like such a massive star. Did you ever
Speaker 2: think like I want that or did it almost make
Speaker 2: you go in another direction?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I was the opposite again, like we were
Speaker 4: so different. Yeah. I was such a shy kid and
Speaker 4: like all I loved was sports and like the Labrador retriever,
Speaker 4: so like I just wanted to be with my friends
Speaker 4: and learn new sports like rock climbing, do all that stuff.
Speaker 4: So like the fame and all the Hollywood never really
Speaker 4: I got to experience it through my brother, which is
Speaker 4: the coolest way. Like I went to Red Carpets when
Speaker 4: I was twelve or something and like saw it, saw
Speaker 4: it all was like, yeah, my friends are cooler.
Speaker 5: You're like this don't impress me much. Did did he know?
Speaker 2: Like did you tell him when you got back to
Speaker 2: tell him you won?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well so we were in the castle and the castle. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and there's like when you do confessionals, you're in an
Speaker 4: empty room staring at a wall, and then I hear
Speaker 4: like the people talking to me, They're like, so your
Speaker 4: brother just had his premiere And I was like, oh cool,
Speaker 4: I had no idea, like, no outside thing. He's like
Speaker 4: and he was telling everybody that he thinks you're gonna win, Like,
Speaker 4: how does that feel now that you're in the final
Speaker 4: six and your brother is saying that without any context?
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, like I'm not surprised, Like he's
Speaker 4: always had my back since they won, so he knows
Speaker 4: how competitive.
Speaker 1: Way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he probably felt so validated, like I knew it.
Speaker 4: Oh he's He's also pushed me to do shows like
Speaker 4: Survivor too, and like, yeah, he's a way pushed me
Speaker 4: to do that stuff.
Speaker 5: So I love that.
Speaker 2: So what's next in your in your career path? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like I kind of feel like you're up
Speaker 2: for anything and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just fun.
Speaker 1: Do you have it lined up? Like do you know
Speaker 1: what's coming next?
Speaker 4: Like what I've been focusing on the background the most
Speaker 4: was like a travel show like that was always my
Speaker 4: dream was to do like a Dirty Jobs with Mikero,
Speaker 4: like that style of show. And that's why I like
Speaker 4: on my YouTube channel, I have like those documentaries of
Speaker 4: me going to Guyana and like doing going to a
Speaker 4: foreign country and like doing something really fun that the
Speaker 4: audience can see. So like that's always been my goal
Speaker 4: and my dream. If I can do that for a living,
Speaker 4: it's incredible, go travel, learn new hobbies, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Now it's opened the door to new opportunities, Like I
Speaker 4: can have that travel show, but I could also maybe
Speaker 4: get in a cool movie, and I can also do
Speaker 4: another show that I've watched since I was a kid.
Speaker 4: So it's like I'm just open. I want to I
Speaker 4: want to take my time to think about what I
Speaker 4: want to do the most and go for that.
Speaker 2: So what do you want to Because you've produced your show,
Speaker 2: your YouTube and stuff, would you want to be in
Speaker 2: the show?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, Like I like a down to earth style. Yeah,
Speaker 4: anything like that, like a micro dirty jobs but switch
Speaker 4: it up the dangerous stops something like that. Like I
Speaker 4: would love to do that because it's way more fun
Speaker 4: when you host.
Speaker 2: If you end up doing a if you end up
Speaker 2: going into traditional acting, Do you have a dream co
Speaker 2: star that you would love to work with anyone?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow? No, but I would like like what I've said before,
Speaker 4: and I so believe it is like my brother's so
Speaker 4: good at what he does. Like he can play Ted Bundy,
Speaker 4: he can play the Iron Claw. He's put in It's
Speaker 4: like we all have to put in work to get good.
Speaker 4: Me Rock climbing. I sucked when I first started putting
Speaker 4: work to get good, So like jumping in, I'm not
Speaker 4: going to get casts ted Bundy. But I can play
Speaker 4: something similar to me, like put me in a rom com,
Speaker 4: put me in like a survival like, or put me
Speaker 4: in a fireman outfit. Like. I can do a lot
Speaker 4: of roles that are similar to me, and that's what
Speaker 4: would be super fun.
Speaker 2: What about a rom com were you and your brother
Speaker 2: are going after the same girl and your brothers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mister and missus Smith, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you since you mentioned it, because your
Speaker 2: brother is an incredible actor. But Bob the drag Queen
Speaker 2: was infamous for saying words that made me gas out
Speaker 2: loud if he said that your brother was not a
Speaker 2: good actor. And I am curious if you could pitch
Speaker 2: what if you're like, you have to sit down and
Speaker 2: watch one movie to convince him of that.
Speaker 5: Which movie would it be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Iron Claw is the easy answer, just because he is
Speaker 4: so like that. That was an Oscar worthy performance by him,
Speaker 4: and so much goes into the oscars, like the amount
Speaker 4: of the studio is gonna like I think the Anora
Speaker 4: just paid eighteen million dollars for their Oscar run. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like it was a small movie. They weren't going to
Speaker 4: do that. Za can have a chance for an Oscar.
Speaker 4: But his performance was that level. But I would say,
Speaker 4: like Greatest Showman, like I love it. If Bob watches
Speaker 4: Greatest Showman says that was then like what what does
Speaker 4: he like?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: I seriously, what is he watching it that? If he
Speaker 4: watches that and says this, this movie sucks. Zach sucks
Speaker 4: as singing, Zach sucks at acting like you can't watch
Speaker 4: that movie and say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't think you could go wrong with
Speaker 2: that or Hairspray.
Speaker 4: Yeah seventeen again, Yeah my god. I mean he was
Speaker 4: the coolest person ever.
Speaker 1: If you if you could like looking back, I feel
Speaker 1: like as a viewer, like I always have these things
Speaker 1: that I pick up on with like Traders, like oh,
Speaker 1: the last two that knock aren't ever like the Traders,
Speaker 1: there's anything looking back like, you could give any advice
Speaker 1: to anybody that's going to be on the show in
Speaker 1: the future, what advice would you give them?
Speaker 4: The biggest advice I would give is to the thing
Speaker 4: that happens psychologically is that you you get a theory
Speaker 4: and then you're very willing to add to that theory,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. So let's just take me going
Speaker 4: after Gabby for example, I had valid reasons to myself
Speaker 4: why I thought she was a trader, but now I'm
Speaker 4: looking for reasons so I'm everything she does, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I was suspicious. So it's confirmation bias. Is that what
Speaker 4: that's all? So having the ability to wake up in
Speaker 4: the morning and say, Okay, I'm gonna reset myself and
Speaker 4: just listen to people, like, I know what I want
Speaker 4: to do, but I'm going to let that take a
Speaker 4: back seat to what Tom wants to do. I would
Speaker 4: like being able to like really listen to people first
Speaker 4: rather than just try to further your own agenda. And
Speaker 4: that's something I was battling out there as well, Like
Speaker 4: once I got Bob the drag Queen, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm pretty good at this, and then I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: So then it's like at that point and I finally
Speaker 4: was able to do it, is be like, Okay, like
Speaker 4: I'm wrong right now, and just because I don't think
Speaker 4: Tom has been right this season so far doesn't mean
Speaker 4: that he's always wrong and I'm always right. So It's
Speaker 4: really like being able to check your ego at the
Speaker 4: door and listen. That's that's my biggest advice.
Speaker 2: That's why he's a winner, folks, the winner, Winner in America. Sweetheart, Dylan,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking caon.
Speaker 5: I know you are very wanted.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you driving the van over and joining us
Speaker 2: in studio.
Speaker 5: It was so great to meet. Are awesome and congratulations