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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing.

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Speaker 1: It grub a dub dub with a Efron and the tub.

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Speaker 3: A dream, Yes, high school Fantasy the Tub. Yes, honestly,

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Speaker 3: we are so excited about this having Dylan Efron on

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Speaker 3: our podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a digital creator and adventure enthusiast. But

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Speaker 1: to me, he stole the show in season three of

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Speaker 1: The Traders as a Faithful, as a Faithful and spoiler alert.

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Speaker 5: They won.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he won.

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Speaker 5: He's one of the winners.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's bring him on in.

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Speaker 5: Let's bring him on in. Everyone welcome Dylan Ephron.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we amportant question before we jump right in. Who

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Speaker 1: on your team is a scrubber? Oh, there's gotta be

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Speaker 1: someone on your team because the word on the street

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Speaker 1: is that we were the lucky podcast to get you.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, there's got to be someone on

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Speaker 1: his team.

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Speaker 5: Maybe a good podcast.

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Speaker 1: Tanya okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 4: I wish I had answer.

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Speaker 2: It's me.

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Speaker 4: I've been No. I'm behind on podcasts because I switched

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Speaker 4: to audio books. I did all the a Qatar and

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Speaker 4: Fourth Wing. So I like, I've heard about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I switched all that, like all my audiobooks, our podcast

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Speaker 4: around pause now for these audio books.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question since we're jumping right into that,

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Speaker 2: because that was one of my questions. I've heard that

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Speaker 2: you're into the Fourth Wing series. As someone I don't

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Speaker 2: really like fantasy and dragons and stuff, but people are

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Speaker 2: obsessed with the series.

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Speaker 5: If you were to give an elevator pitch to.

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Speaker 2: Someone who has no end trist, what what is your

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Speaker 2: elevator pitch?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got that like Hunger Games level of like

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Speaker 4: a fictional world in a way, so like and yeah,

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Speaker 4: and Harry Potter. Okay, there it is like a Harry

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Speaker 4: Potter like they go to Hogwarts. It's kind of like

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Speaker 4: that with dragons, a lot of sex.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so you don't like Harry Potter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you don't like Harry Potter, you're probably not

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Speaker 4: book that has.

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Speaker 1: Like a million pages.

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Speaker 5: No, they're good.

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Speaker 2: They're just a good sized novel to just the traditional novels.

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Speaker 4: It's not like like what's what's the one that was

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Speaker 4: just made into a movie. Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, somebody try to get me to

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Speaker 1: read this book and then literally it was like this thick.

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Speaker 2: I was like audio, do you have any I know

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Speaker 2: that there have been roles that you audition for in

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Speaker 2: traditional acting, in the acting.

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Speaker 4: World on I've only auditioned once, just once, Yeah, Star Wars.

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Speaker 4: Star Wars.

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Speaker 5: Was it where you just like, well, I have to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is back when I work to Warner Brothers.

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Speaker 4: I specifically got asked to audition because they were looking

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Speaker 4: for someone who wasn't an actor relatively unknown, and I

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Speaker 4: said no. And then I'm like working my nine to

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Speaker 4: five and a coworker, Emanual was just like I told them,

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Speaker 4: like yeah, oh, it was like, oh, they're still casting

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Speaker 4: that movie. I was like they reached out to me

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Speaker 4: like two months ago, and he's like and you said no,

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Speaker 4: And I was just like why, It's like you're dyling

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Speaker 4: and you just like gave me this like pitch, like

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Speaker 4: should have gone. So then I ended up asking my

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Speaker 4: brother's manager at the time. I was just like, hey,

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Speaker 4: are they still casting that? They were. I walked in

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Speaker 4: was actually super fun. The casting people love me. And

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Speaker 4: then I had the classic experience where they were like, oh,

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Speaker 4: we're taking the role a different way, which actually blew

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Speaker 4: my mind because so I was like, there's no way

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they weren't lying to you.

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Speaker 4: They weren't lying at all. I saw the person that

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Speaker 4: he from the UK. It was very very different than me.

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Speaker 4: So they really did take the character a different way.

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Speaker 2: That takes me back to my time when I was

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Speaker 2: being cast for The Bachelor and I went up to

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Speaker 2: meet the casting producers and they were like, we see

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Speaker 5: And I was like hyped up. I was like, there's

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Speaker 5: no way they to say that to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I got dumped in a barn in Iowa,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, dang.

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Speaker 5: I did get far though it's just not the farthest.

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Speaker 2: So transitioning into reality TV. I'm fascinated by this because

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Speaker 2: watching The Trader you we watched.

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Speaker 5: We've watched like.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of seasons where it was the UK and

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Speaker 2: the Australian version, which are just like normal people, right,

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Speaker 1: I've literally seen every season of every country that they offer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorites are the Australian season too.

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Speaker 5: The Australian season two in the ending is the one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that ending was awesome, and the UK season

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Speaker 1: I like that like a Netherlands one.

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Speaker 4: I think there's so many countries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally we've watched all of them.

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Speaker 4: People tell me I need to watch like the Polish

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Speaker 1: One other one I can't remember.

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Speaker 4: There's one country that they're like, if you can read subtitles,

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Speaker 5: Audio version, I could.

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Speaker 4: Definitely do that. They were like the strategy in that

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Speaker 4: a whole different game. I'm like, all right, I'm into that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So when when you come on the celebrity version for

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Speaker 2: the US, it was interesting because everyone on the cast

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Speaker 2: reality dating show, Like we've kind of know these people,

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Speaker 2: i've this is a confession, but I feel like I

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Speaker 2: I feel like people knew you, but like no one

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Speaker 4: Was fun, nerve wrecking, it was everything because it was

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Speaker 4: Like Boston Robb, everyone knows who everyone knows he's cutthroat,

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Speaker 4: So no one knows who I am. And my authentic

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Speaker 4: I was done with Sam as Gary where it's like

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Speaker 4: because I get home from Scotland and I like listen

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Speaker 4: to a few podcasts where they're like just saying who's

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Speaker 4: what the heck?

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Speaker 1: Like, well, yeah, yeah, I didn't understand like the time.

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Speaker 1: So when they cast you, they don't tell you who

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Speaker 1: else is cast. They just say you're on it. Did

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Speaker 1: they have like you were like you were a fan

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Speaker 1: of the show. When you like audition, do you audition?

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Speaker 4: Yes? So i'd only watched season two of UK. I

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: It was Dina Katz at NBC. She's likes I owe

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Speaker 1: For taking Dancing with the Stars too, right, I think?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, okay, but yeah, like they took a

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Speaker 4: is going to be what everyone thinks and he's going

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Speaker 1: For doing Okay, So they're like, you're on, You're on

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Speaker 1: the next season. When from that point on, when they

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Speaker 4: I was busy because I was in Australia shooting something

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Speaker 4: with my brother. I was like doing social media stuff,

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Speaker 4: So in the background, I was like watching some other seasons.

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Speaker 4: So I committed maybe a month before going, and in

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Speaker 4: that month, I'm telling you, I was like rock climbing

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Speaker 4: in Moab. I was in Australia. I was playing Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Fallon's golf tournament. I didn't prep at all, Like while

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Speaker 1: I have like so many questions. So like, okay, so

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Speaker 1: I thought that they like dressed you like that you

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Speaker 1: This is also broad, yes.

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Speaker 4: And trusting, Like I'm wearing a tank top right now,

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Speaker 4: Like I was not ready for that, Like I love fashion,

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Speaker 4: but I live in California, so most of the time

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Speaker 4: I'm in a board towards So like now it's I said, yes,

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Speaker 4: a month, I'm traveling. I've got probably a week to

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Speaker 4: go through my wardrobe and figure this out.

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Speaker 1: And like and then how long is your time in

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Speaker 1: like if you make it from like the beginning to

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Speaker 1: the end, what's like the time of Like it's one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a long time without my phone, without without

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Speaker 4: talking to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Really, do you get to watch TV?

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Speaker 4: Daytime TV?

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Speaker 1: So do you just listen to me?

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Speaker 4: No, you don't get any Like you don't get Netflix,

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Speaker 4: you don't get anything. It's daytime television.

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Speaker 1: So you're watching like what the like?

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Speaker 4: No, So I'm watching the best one was Everybody Loves Raymond,

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Speaker 4: Like I had watched it in the past. Now I've

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Speaker 4: watched pretty much all all of them. It's a great show.

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Speaker 4: I watched him get older as I watched. I watched Fraser,

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Speaker 4: which I'm not that like. That was like like kill

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Speaker 4: It was the most recent season, no the one before that.

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Speaker 4: I was very excited and very let down. Went back to.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of rumors out there, like the.

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Speaker 4: It's like a scene. Yeah, like maybe on an off

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Like because when we watched I watch it with

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Speaker 4: I knew those scenes were in there. I'm like, they're

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Speaker 4: I was going to say no to. You've see my instagram.

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Speaker 4: I'm not bashful with my shirt off and stuff. But

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Speaker 5: Sam said, this is my moment tomed at a bath.

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Speaker 4: They got the bad ones. I just got to work out.

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Speaker 4: It's great.

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Speaker 2: When you were chosen to be on the show, were

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Speaker 4: Faithful?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 4: But it was a weird spot because like I've I've

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Speaker 4: So I wanted to be a faithful But even when

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Speaker 4: I'm talking to Alan, I'm like, yeah, I would be

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Speaker 4: not want to be one.

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Speaker 5: So if Danielle had recruited you, I.

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Speaker 4: Would have had to Oh, that would have beenn ultimatum,

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Speaker 4: would have gone home. Yeah, I either would have left,

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Speaker 4: which a fat chance I'm doing that. I'm too competitive

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Speaker 4: to leave it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well there was that.

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Speaker 2: There was that moment because I know there's been a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that one wasn't an ultimatum. So and this

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Speaker 4: the season, if they recruit, if they recruit, it's not

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Speaker 4: if if Pilot Pete would have said yes, then there's

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Speaker 4: no murder that night. Yeah, But for an ultimatum, which

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Speaker 4: only happens at the very end, when there's one trader left,

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Speaker 4: you can still murder that night. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: So that that's why Tom, That's why Tom was murdered,

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Speaker 4: but Brittany was recruited because it was an ultimatum he had.

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Speaker 4: She had to say yes, where Pilot Pete didn't have

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Speaker 5: Oh that's right, Yeah he was. He didn't have to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were saying that you and Tom kind of

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Speaker 5: It was the night after when Krishelle went home.

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Speaker 4: Right, that was when it's our brain started clicking.

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Speaker 5: Were you?

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Speaker 2: Because I was like, from the beginning, you were so

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Speaker 1: Then I got like so frustrated with you because I

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Speaker 4: It's tough because I was bamboos like there's no arguing that.

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Speaker 4: But it was also like, since I got Bob the

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Speaker 4: Drag Queen, it wasn't my best interest to like take

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Speaker 4: more of a back seat because now the only way

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Speaker 4: I'm going home is if I'm murdered. No one was

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Speaker 4: going to banish me after that because it was like

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Speaker 4: one going after Bob. Bob the drag queen. So it's

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Speaker 4: like a trader. Wouldn't Traine turn on a trader episode

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Speaker 4: one or episode two? When I decided to go after it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was like so everyone there knew I was a

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Speaker 4: faithful It was such a good spot. So it was like,

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Speaker 4: I just was working on my relationships a lot.

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Speaker 1: How do you trust anybody like I would?

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Speaker 4: Don't you don't? Like I thought Gabby was a trader,

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Speaker 4: so I was saying her name. I thought Bob h was,

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Speaker 4: but I never said his name, Like I was wrong

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Speaker 4: in the middle a lot. It's a tough game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels really challenging.

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Speaker 2: And also if there was a season where the traders

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Speaker 2: would trade on each other episode one or two, it

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Speaker 2: would have been the.

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Speaker 5: Cast of this season.

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Speaker 4: Yes, totally, because.

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Speaker 2: There were so many episodes where I was like, why

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Speaker 2: are they just like battling it out so aggressively with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happened. When like they put gamers up there,

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Speaker 4: it was like if I was up there, I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: My goal wouldn't be to get my fellow traders out.

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Speaker 4: But they're all gamers. They know if they're the last

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Speaker 4: one standing, they can control the room. They can take

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Speaker 4: all the money at the end. So you put four

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Speaker 4: people out there that are all thinking that way, it's

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Speaker 5: I'll soon into it. Do you feel like Boston Robb

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Speaker 5: was a trader?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I didn't know he was a trader? You really know?

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: You never even suspected it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to suspect. So that's the beauty of

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Speaker 4: this game is Like there's people like Bob, Bob the

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Speaker 4: drag Queen for me, wasn't in my core alliances. I

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Speaker 4: was very friendly with him. I really like him, but

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Speaker 4: he wasn't like, like I knew his core alliance was

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Speaker 4: Gabby Bob Age, Like he had people that he's always with.

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Speaker 4: So like, for me, that's someone I can want. I

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Speaker 4: Boston rob he's probably the guy that I trust the most.

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Speaker 4: He helped me get a trader out and I know

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Speaker 4: he has my back after that, So why would I

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Speaker 4: that really is it? So everyone wants him out. Like

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing every day people saying Boston robbed the trader,

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Speaker 4: Like we need to get him out and I'm the

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Speaker 2: Well, if you had gotten this seer, if you had

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Speaker 2: won this year, who would you have questioned?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think it would have been the Iver because

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Speaker 4: power is scary. So I would have used it on

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Speaker 4: someone that I knew as a faithful to just like

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Speaker 4: not because imagine, let's say I got Brittany. Now I'm

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Speaker 4: saying she's a trader. She's going to say I'm a trader. Ye,

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Speaker 4: we're both screwed. So it's really like you have to

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Speaker 2: This is interesting because you are a producer, so like

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Speaker 2: you were like, actually like in a producer, ryanes Nut.

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Speaker 4: You see me when my gears click, And I was like, wait,

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Speaker 4: there is a chance that Gabby's a trader. That was

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Speaker 4: because at that point she was like the person I

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, there's a one person chance that I

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Speaker 4: can't trust her, which is like screwing me up now.

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Speaker 4: So towards the end, Gabby, Iver and Dolores, like I

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Speaker 4: ended the game with Gabby. People think that's like hindsight

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Speaker 4: of me saying that, But Gaby and I were working

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Speaker 4: bo I was very much like supporting Gabby in that way,

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Speaker 4: and she was supporting me.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, well, how like when did the actual show? Not

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Speaker 1: the airing of the show, When did the actual show?

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Speaker 1: When did you finish filming?

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Speaker 4: Like June June of last year?

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Speaker 1: Maybe no, Yeah, so you just go back home and

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Speaker 1: like just like living your normal life. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: it premiered the following year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it. I just recently saw my first

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Speaker 4: post after it was like the season is going to

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Speaker 4: be so good, and it was like me in the

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Speaker 4: sun with my dog. I was like, yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 4: about right, Like I just wanted to get in the sun.

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Speaker 4: It was like the start of summer. I was like,

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Speaker 1: And you're not allowed to tell anybody what happened.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, Yeah, I'm not supposed to at all, Like I

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Speaker 4: you don't know at that point, like no one unless

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Speaker 4: you love the show, they don't. There's no following yet.

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Speaker 1: For the right, right, yeah right.

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Speaker 4: And then the cool part is wants to show starts.

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Speaker 4: No one wants to know. They don't want to get spoiled. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: that's fair, which is so cool because I would I

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Speaker 4: would think it's the opposite, like you're sucked in. You're like,

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Speaker 4: tell me if Danielle leaves this week. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to know. They like say no spoilers, no spoilers.

442
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: And then you guys did the reunion I'm assuming after

443
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: it aired.

444
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the reunion fresh, Yeah, the reunion we had. We

445
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 4: were watching in real time, so we hadn't seen the

446
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 4: last three episodes, and we watch all the three episodes

447
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: before the reunion, but like a lot of us were

448
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: watching on two x speed, like trying to. I had

449
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 4: a pack day that day. It was like I had

450
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 4: two hours to watch it, so I was brushing through it.

451
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 2: When so you go, it's so interesting because I don't

452
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: think people can grasp the concept. Like obviously you've had

453
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: experience in the public eye with your brother and and

454
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 2: being a producer, and but such a small glimpse of

455
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: it in terms of the attention being on you. So

456
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: you go on the show that's like massively popular. You

457
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 2: don't know how you're going to be perceived, You don't

458
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: know how it's gonna be edited. You just know like

459
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 2: what you did while you were there. And then the

460
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: show comes out and he's like the baby girl. You're

461
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: so baby girl. Everyone's like Dylan Efron's baby girl, and

462
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: everyone's like obsessed with you?

463
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 5: Is he single? What's his deal?

464
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah? What you said? I have no idea.

465
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: You had idea you were acting so baby girl. I

466
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 1: know you're the definition. Like if you ask Chattibt, who

467
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: is baby girl?

468
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 5: Like your photos there, tell me I didn't know what

469
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 5: that meant. Like a week ago, so I watched a

470
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 5: month ago. Okay, yeah, like a month ago.

471
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 4: I watched the movie.

472
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think very different.

473
00:21:53,600 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 4: Different my honest answers, I didn't know. And even in

474
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: the Castle, again it's my first show, I felt like

475
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 4: I didn't have any weight there. So I felt like

476
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 4: a lot of times, I was the one that would

477
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 4: like I'm starving and I'm like, I need food right now.

478
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, why didn't you ask for food. I'm like,

479
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 4: I didn't know you could. Like it was such a

480
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 4: new learning experience for me that I had no idea.

481
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 4: So I'm watching with America the first episode and I'm like,

482
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 4: I'm told of my friends. I'm like, dude, I'm not

483
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 4: going to be in the beginning of the show. I

484
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: was like, I really am going to come on strong. Later,

485
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to be in this

486
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 4: first episode. And all of a sudden, I see me

487
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 4: with like a bunch of confessionals. I'm like, oh God,

488
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, why are they featuring me so much? And

489
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 4: so I wasn't expecting it.

490
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: I wasn't because you didn't think they were going to

491
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 2: feature you because you won.

492
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: There's such cool personalities on there, they're not going to

493
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 4: focus on me. I didn't know what to do in

494
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: the confessionals. I'm like look staring at the wall, being like,

495
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 4: what am I supposed to talk about? And then they're

496
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: using them. So it was a surprise to me. It

497
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: really was.

498
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 5: Wow.

499
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 4: I really thought I was going to I have like

500
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 4: the sam as Gary Ark where I was very quiet

501
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 4: and didn't speak a lot, and then towards the end

502
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: I got vocal.

503
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it feels like I didn't get

504
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: to know him at all.

505
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was kind of a strategy. Oh yeah,

506
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 4: he wanted to fly under the radar and he did.

507
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah he did a little too much.

508
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little too much.

509
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: I would have liked a little more from them.

510
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

511
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 2: So we were talking about how the casting producer also

512
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: does Dance with the Stars. Is that a reality show

513
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: that you would ever participate in.

514
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: I would need to do my research the same same

515
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 4: way I do with my research on traders, just because

516
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 4: I like, look, my brand is I love doing things

517
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: to make me uncomfortable, learning new things and stuff like that.

518
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 4: So I love that aspect of it. But dancing on

519
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: stage is so not what I do. I'm like, it

520
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 4: was my first reality show, was my first time, Like

521
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: I was such a shy, bashball kid like, so to

522
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: go dance in front of a live audience, it would

523
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 4: my heart would be pounding through my chest. But yeah

524
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: it sounds fun.

525
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I can't think of a more potting

526
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: yourself out there experience.

527
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 4: Yes, so I look, I don't want to say no

528
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 4: at all, but it would it would be a lot

529
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 4: for me. I'd have to be rid.

530
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: Do you have like the reality show bug? Now? Like

531
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: do you want are you already thinking about like what

532
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: you want to do next in that regard.

533
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: Reality and and and just anything? Like I like, yeah,

534
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: I've always been open, like I want cool experiences, like

535
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: I've even been open, like I said, I've been on

536
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 4: one audition in my life, like I am down to

537
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: like I had a lot of fun doing that, So

538
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: I'm down to go try it, try my hand to acting,

539
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: see if I can do that. I just want to

540
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 4: keep pushing myself and see what I'm capable of. So

541
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 4: I'm always down for shows like if I can go

542
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 4: and have a Like playing games as a kid is

543
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: what I've did was my favorite things I'm not going

544
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: to do as an adult. It's like the best job

545
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: in the world.

546
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Survivor as a show that you loved.

547
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: Now having done Traders, would you consider doing a survivalist

548
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: show like that?

549
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: I would. I think I think like Survivor level Survivor

550
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: is like so easy for me, Like same with special

551
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: forces like I can, I can do that stuff easy alone,

552
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: like something or like naked and afraid. Those would kick

553
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 4: my ass and I'm like, not afraid to say it.

554
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: I used to be a dirt bag. I'm a little

555
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: I'm not so much anymore.

556
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: It's like as you get older, I feel like our

557
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: brains start to like develop and be like is that safe?

558
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 5: Is that comfortable?

559
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: No?

560
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: And it's just like the bug bites like I have.

561
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: I know a friend that went on that show and

562
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 4: her legs are still scarred to this day, making an afraid. Yeah,

563
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: she is gnarly scarring from all the bugs. And at

564
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: that point, I'm like, no, I don't I probably wouldn't

565
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: do alone. I don't know. I don't want to go

566
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: live in Alaska for the Yeah, I love my life.

567
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: I feel like Survivor doesn't do they only do They

568
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: don't do any sort of like celebrity seasons, which I

569
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: think is a miss. If anybody watching knows anybody at Survivor,

570
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: I feel like they're missing that element because I feel

571
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: like it'd be so cool if they had like a

572
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: celebrity season.

573
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: I think they used to do celebrity Big Brother, and

574
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 4: they don't eveno, yeah, or.

575
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: If like the Ogs could bring someone like Boston Rob

576
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: could like season fifty thering coach.

577
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: Who from this cast from Traders have you like kept

578
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: really close contact.

579
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: With But like I was just golfing last yesterday with

580
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: Boston Rob in Florida, So of course Boston Robb Sam.

581
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: The hard part is, like I'm so it's a weird

582
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 4: part about social media, Like that's where I make my living,

583
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: that's what I what I do, and so I'm it's

584
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: such a blessing to be that I have friends all

585
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: over the world. Like one of my best friends lives

586
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas, so it's like I don't see him

587
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: more than once or twice a year. One of my

588
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: best friends lives in the Philippines, so it's like I

589
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 4: have really good friends all around the world, so I

590
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: don't see them that much, but they're really close. That's

591
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: how this cast is with me. Like the ones that

592
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: are in LA, I've seen Sam quite quite often. I

593
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: stay in touch with Tom. I was just with Gabby

594
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: in New York. So like the people that live in LA,

595
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: I'm going to see more than anyone else, but I'm

596
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 4: friends with all of them. Really, it's such Yeah, it's

597
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: the best part of the show.

598
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: I feel like y'all had y'all's cast had like a

599
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: really close dynamic. Yeah, you can tell that y'all actually

600
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: enjoyed each other for the most part.

601
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: That's the beauty. We didn't have our phones. All we

602
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: have is each other. There's a lot of downtime where

603
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 4: you're just learning about each other's lives.

604
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you so you said on another podcast that

605
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: you are in a relationship but you keep it private.

606
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: Did she have a hard time with you being gone?

607
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: Was that the longest y'all have been apart?

608
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: We used to do longest since so she's later she

609
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: was she pushed me to do the show because she's

610
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 4: said that like, like from my social media, you can't

611
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: really get my personality. And she was like, if you

612
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: ever put your person personality out there on one of

613
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 4: these shows, people fall in love with you the way

614
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: that I fell in love with you. But I've always

615
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 4: been a little more hesitant to do that. So she

616
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: pushed me to do it, and so, yeah, she loved it.

617
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 5: What a gal.

618
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: She's like, listen to the whole world's about the fall

619
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: mom with my man, but.

620
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 5: Let them mel Robbins.

621
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: It's so true. Actually, I feel like I started to

622
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: like find out about you. I don't remember how many

623
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: years ago it was, but Jason Kennedy.

624
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Are you still Forry Fords him? Yeah?

625
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: I love Jason Okay, okay, yeah he and I was like,

626
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And then I think idea. I was like,

627
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: he's like into like extreme sports and like that, which.

628
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 4: I'm sure is like totally.

629
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: But like you really are just like this like kind

630
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: of like America sweetheart in a way.

631
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

632
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 5: I'm serious.

633
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: Well, you were saying before the podcast started that you

634
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: you did van life, but you've since retired van line.

635
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got an apartment. That was what I did

636
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: with my prize money. Is I've been living in a

637
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: one bedroom like by the beach, but it's like it

638
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: was a small spot. And then I got like a

639
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: nice home like not I didn't buy it, but I'm

640
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: renting like a night my first nice home with a

641
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 4: dishwasher like so yeah, I'm very much not van lifing.

642
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: I use it as my daily driver, whipping around Los

643
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 4: Angeles in a big Sprinter van.

644
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 5: Yeah that's tough.

645
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: And a week in Warrior, like I love that's if

646
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: I'm in La for over a week, I'm going out

647
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 4: to Joshua Tree, I'm going into the desert and high

648
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: lining or rock climbing.

649
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 5: So wow, just like an adventure, is your.

650
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: Girlfriend also adventury? Does she like to rock climb and

651
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: stuff or like is it like opposite to tract?

652
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 4: No, she does. She does do it, but she's not

653
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: the one that's like I'm bringing her to do it with.

654
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Me, like she is doing it with you.

655
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, she won't say no, but it's not like she

656
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: would be rock climbing by herself.

657
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 5: Definitely, she's not leaving you on the weekend.

658
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's she's happy to stay at home a lot

659
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: of times, but if she can go, Like I just

660
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: went rock climbing with her and Joshua Tree, and I

661
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 4: was like, that's when it's fun for me too, because

662
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: like I get to see her and she's scared and

663
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 4: she's trying her hardest, saying she can't do it, and

664
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: then she did it, and it's like I like, if

665
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: I would have just done that alone, it's not that fun.

666
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: I see all that she went through and it's like

667
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: such a fun experience.

668
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: That's so nice. Did she do van life with you. No,

669
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds cool. I mean.

670
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 5: Beautiful adventures you.

671
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: Learn, Like I got pretty OCD when I was living

672
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: in the van. It's like because it's just such a

673
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: small spot, so you have to be organized with all

674
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: your things in there. You have to be imagine someone

675
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: like walking in with muddy shoes into your living room

676
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: and it's like stuff like that, you get really OCD.

677
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 4: And it was before we had like all the van

678
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: lifers now have Wi Fi with the starlink, Like that's

679
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: a game changer. Like if I had starlink back in

680
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: the day, I probably would have got over to Connecticut

681
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: and just driven across the US.

682
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Wait, but I have a question, So do you feel

683
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: like most like, did you have OCD tendencies in terms

684
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: of keeping things clean before van life?

685
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: No, it creates it. I think it created it is

686
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: that common. Maybe it's just easier to ignore when you

687
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: have more space, interesting, you have more clutter and stuff

688
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: like that. You really strip down your life. It's like

689
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: you need ten shirts, you need ten pair of pants.

690
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: That's a lot less than that, and so it really

691
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: you really stripped down only two essentials.

692
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: It's fun when you were growing up watching your brother

693
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: who was like such a massive star. Did you ever

694
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: think like I want that or did it almost make

695
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: you go in another direction?

696
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, I was the opposite again, like we were

697
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: so different. Yeah. I was such a shy kid and

698
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: like all I loved was sports and like the Labrador retriever,

699
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: so like I just wanted to be with my friends

700
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: and learn new sports like rock climbing, do all that stuff.

701
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 4: So like the fame and all the Hollywood never really

702
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: I got to experience it through my brother, which is

703
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: the coolest way. Like I went to Red Carpets when

704
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: I was twelve or something and like saw it, saw

705
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: it all was like, yeah, my friends are cooler.

706
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 5: You're like this don't impress me much. Did did he know?

707
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: Like did you tell him when you got back to

708
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: tell him you won?

709
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

710
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: Well so we were in the castle and the castle. Yeah,

711
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: and there's like when you do confessionals, you're in an

712
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: empty room staring at a wall, and then I hear

713
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: like the people talking to me, They're like, so your

714
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: brother just had his premiere And I was like, oh cool,

715
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: I had no idea, like, no outside thing. He's like

716
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: and he was telling everybody that he thinks you're gonna win, Like,

717
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: how does that feel now that you're in the final

718
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: six and your brother is saying that without any context?

719
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, like I'm not surprised, Like he's

720
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: always had my back since they won, so he knows

721
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: how competitive.

722
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Way.

723
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he probably felt so validated, like I knew it.

724
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: Oh he's He's also pushed me to do shows like

725
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: Survivor too, and like, yeah, he's a way pushed me

726
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: to do that stuff.

727
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 5: So I love that.

728
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: So what's next in your in your career path? Because

729
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: I feel like I kind of feel like you're up

730
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: for anything and everything.

731
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just fun.

732
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: Do you have it lined up? Like do you know

733
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: what's coming next?

734
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: Like what I've been focusing on the background the most

735
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: was like a travel show like that was always my

736
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: dream was to do like a Dirty Jobs with Mikero,

737
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: like that style of show. And that's why I like

738
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: on my YouTube channel, I have like those documentaries of

739
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: me going to Guyana and like doing going to a

740
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: foreign country and like doing something really fun that the

741
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: audience can see. So like that's always been my goal

742
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: and my dream. If I can do that for a living,

743
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: it's incredible, go travel, learn new hobbies, stuff like that.

744
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: Now it's opened the door to new opportunities, Like I

745
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: can have that travel show, but I could also maybe

746
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: get in a cool movie, and I can also do

747
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: another show that I've watched since I was a kid.

748
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 4: So it's like I'm just open. I want to I

749
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: want to take my time to think about what I

750
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: want to do the most and go for that.

751
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: So what do you want to Because you've produced your show,

752
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: your YouTube and stuff, would you want to be in

753
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: the show?

754
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, Like I like a down to earth style. Yeah,

755
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: anything like that, like a micro dirty jobs but switch

756
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: it up the dangerous stops something like that. Like I

757
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: would love to do that because it's way more fun

758
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: when you host.

759
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: If you end up doing a if you end up

760
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: going into traditional acting, Do you have a dream co

761
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: star that you would love to work with anyone?

762
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

763
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: Wow? No, but I would like like what I've said before,

764
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 4: and I so believe it is like my brother's so

765
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: good at what he does. Like he can play Ted Bundy,

766
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 4: he can play the Iron Claw. He's put in It's

767
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: like we all have to put in work to get good.

768
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: Me Rock climbing. I sucked when I first started putting

769
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: work to get good, So like jumping in, I'm not

770
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: going to get casts ted Bundy. But I can play

771
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: something similar to me, like put me in a rom com,

772
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: put me in like a survival like, or put me

773
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: in a fireman outfit. Like. I can do a lot

774
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 4: of roles that are similar to me, and that's what

775
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: would be super fun.

776
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: What about a rom com were you and your brother

777
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: are going after the same girl and your brothers.

778
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, mister and missus Smith, Yeah.

779
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you since you mentioned it, because your

780
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: brother is an incredible actor. But Bob the drag Queen

781
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: was infamous for saying words that made me gas out

782
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: loud if he said that your brother was not a

783
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: good actor. And I am curious if you could pitch

784
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: what if you're like, you have to sit down and

785
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: watch one movie to convince him of that.

786
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 5: Which movie would it be?

787
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: Like?

788
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: Iron Claw is the easy answer, just because he is

789
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: so like that. That was an Oscar worthy performance by him,

790
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: and so much goes into the oscars, like the amount

791
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: of the studio is gonna like I think the Anora

792
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: just paid eighteen million dollars for their Oscar run. Yeah, yeah,

793
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: like it was a small movie. They weren't going to

794
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: do that. Za can have a chance for an Oscar.

795
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: But his performance was that level. But I would say,

796
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 4: like Greatest Showman, like I love it. If Bob watches

797
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 4: Greatest Showman says that was then like what what does

798
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: he like?

799
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Like?

800
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: What?

801
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: I seriously, what is he watching it that? If he

802
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 4: watches that and says this, this movie sucks. Zach sucks

803
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: as singing, Zach sucks at acting like you can't watch

804
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 4: that movie and say that.

805
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't think you could go wrong with

806
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: that or Hairspray.

807
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah seventeen again, Yeah my god. I mean he was

808
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: the coolest person ever.

809
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: If you if you could like looking back, I feel

810
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: like as a viewer, like I always have these things

811
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: that I pick up on with like Traders, like oh,

812
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: the last two that knock aren't ever like the Traders,

813
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: there's anything looking back like, you could give any advice

814
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: to anybody that's going to be on the show in

815
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: the future, what advice would you give them?

816
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 4: The biggest advice I would give is to the thing

817
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: that happens psychologically is that you you get a theory

818
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: and then you're very willing to add to that theory,

819
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. So let's just take me going

820
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: after Gabby for example, I had valid reasons to myself

821
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: why I thought she was a trader, but now I'm

822
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: looking for reasons so I'm everything she does, I'm like, oh,

823
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: I was suspicious. So it's confirmation bias. Is that what

824
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: that's all? So having the ability to wake up in

825
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 4: the morning and say, Okay, I'm gonna reset myself and

826
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: just listen to people, like, I know what I want

827
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: to do, but I'm going to let that take a

828
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: back seat to what Tom wants to do. I would

829
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: like being able to like really listen to people first

830
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 4: rather than just try to further your own agenda. And

831
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: that's something I was battling out there as well, Like

832
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: once I got Bob the drag Queen, I'm like, man,

833
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 4: maybe I'm pretty good at this, and then I'm wrong.

834
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: So then it's like at that point and I finally

835
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: was able to do it, is be like, Okay, like

836
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: I'm wrong right now, and just because I don't think

837
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 4: Tom has been right this season so far doesn't mean

838
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 4: that he's always wrong and I'm always right. So It's

839
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: really like being able to check your ego at the

840
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: door and listen. That's that's my biggest advice.

841
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: That's why he's a winner, folks, the winner, Winner in America. Sweetheart, Dylan,

842
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking caon.

843
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 5: I know you are very wanted.

844
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: We appreciate you driving the van over and joining us

845
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: in studio.

846
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: It was so great to meet. Are awesome and congratulations