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Speaker 1: Welcome to this League Uncut.

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Speaker 2: Rule of twenty four hour NBA News. This is you,

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Speaker 2: Chris Hans. It's time, works time, it's so time. This

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Speaker 2: League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should be

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Speaker 2: a good one.

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Speaker 3: Friends, Welcome in to a long awaited return edition of

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Speaker 3: This League Uncut. You guys got to know. It's the

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Speaker 3: time of year. In August, in September, we.

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Speaker 4: Only do.

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Speaker 3: A few episodes per month. We do dial it back

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Speaker 3: to recharge for the season ahead. In October we will

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Speaker 3: be back to full speed, two pods a week. But

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Speaker 3: we had to get together for this because this past

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Speaker 3: weekend absolutely momentous for the league as a whole, but

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Speaker 3: also on a personal level. Because our dear friend Mark Spears,

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Speaker 3: former teammate for both Chris and I, former neighbor in

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Speaker 3: the Bubble co resident of the famed Walt Disney World

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Speaker 3: Bubble in Orlando, we all live together for a summer,

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Speaker 3: We all work together. Now we all three work for

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Speaker 3: separate entities, but we remain family. And this League Uncut

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Speaker 3: wanted to give a formal, official, directly delivered verbal hat

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Speaker 3: tip to mister Spears because he is the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: three winner of the Kurt Goudi Award for Print Media Excellence,

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Speaker 3: awarded by the Basketball Hall of Fame. There is no

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Speaker 3: higher honor in our profession, and it is now officially

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Speaker 3: in Mark spears possession. He got his ring on Friday,

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Speaker 3: gave a beautiful speech, both he and Holly Row. Holly Row,

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Speaker 3: of course from ESPN, the Electronic Division, winner of the

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Speaker 3: Kirk Goudi Award for twenty twenty three. Beautiful speeches from

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Speaker 3: both of them, as graded by my wife who watched

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Speaker 3: them both on television. I was privileged to be in

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Speaker 3: the audience for it. A hearty welcome from Haines and

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Speaker 3: Stein to Mark Spears, kurk Goudi winner. How does it feel, man?

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Speaker 3: How different do you feel every morning now when you

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Speaker 3: wake up?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: I got that ring in the hallway, you know, hiding out,

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Speaker 5: but something to look at. And you know, now we're

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Speaker 5: teammates again, right where teammates in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: Chris will get there one day too. No, I've been really.

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Speaker 5: Trying to put in perspective everything and it's been very difficult,

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Speaker 5: you know, because, as you said, this is the highest honor.

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Speaker 5: I'm not like, respectfully thinking, I don't even know what

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Speaker 5: else compares, right, Maybe something with an ABJ.

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame or something may mean something to me too.

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Speaker 5: But to be on that list where you see Jackie

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Speaker 5: and Aldridge and will Bond and you know Smith and

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Speaker 3: And don't put me in there, all.

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Speaker 5: These like legendary McMullen, you know, all these legendary names,

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Speaker 5: Pete VESSI Yeah, it's just it's really humbling, and it

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Speaker 5: feels amazing to know that as long as that building exists,

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Speaker 5: my name will be in it. Right now, you might

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Speaker 5: if you blink, you might miss it.

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Speaker 4: It's in there.

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Speaker 5: And it's funny Mark because you know, like usually they

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Speaker 5: have events at the Hall of Fame, but they didn't

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Speaker 5: have any at all other than like post parties. So

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Speaker 5: I had to like get snuck into the Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame so I could see my name because I was like,

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Speaker 5: I can't leave without seeing my name on this thing.

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Speaker 5: And my mom had went the night before, and like

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Speaker 5: that picture of my mom standing next to like where

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Speaker 5: my name was means more to me than my picture

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Speaker 5: next to it, man, just the fact that you know,

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Speaker 5: my mom saw it, and I can celebrate my mom

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Speaker 5: and my wife, my dad, my.

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Speaker 4: Sister, all these folks that are important to me, and.

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Speaker 5: I don't get there without them like that, like the

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Speaker 5: speech and do her little you know, Miss America wave

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Speaker 5: and all that like that, all those moments are like

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Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to feel about it.

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Speaker 1: Spears. When you.

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Speaker 6: When you're inducted, I want you to take me through

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Speaker 6: a little bit of your journey, your path because me

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Speaker 6: seeing you up there is like it's it's personal to

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Speaker 1: I think we have similar paths.

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Speaker 3: And when I.

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Speaker 6: See you up there doing that man like that, that

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Speaker 1: Much joy because you aren't supposed to be up there, man,

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Speaker 6: It wasn't set up for you to.

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Speaker 6: So when you're looking through your background, when you're looking

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Speaker 5: I was like, remember the video game Dragons Layer, I.

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Speaker 6: Feel like talk, let's go real, talk. Tell me it's

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Speaker 6: just just through you know, the the path to flight

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of it starts with the beginning. Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't no great student, not that I

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Speaker 5: couldn't have been a great student. I was, you know, Chris,

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Speaker 5: you know it, like you know, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 5: get on you about grades, if people don't tell you

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Speaker 5: what could happen if you don't succeed in that realm,

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Speaker 5: so like I learned. The great thing though, was I

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Speaker 5: a sports writer. I grew up reading Sports Illustrated as

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Speaker 5: the morning. And then in the seventh grade, you know,

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Speaker 5: And I just remember that he saw this stat in

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Speaker 4: The bonus is there. Maybe there's a handful of guys.

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Speaker 5: Not really, but it said that less than two percent

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Speaker 5: So when the guy from the Warriors said that, I

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Speaker 5: And he said, well, you combined with what you love

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Speaker 5: I thought about it. I sucked in science, I sucked

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Speaker 5: reading Sports Illustrated to Mercurynews every day, like why not

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Speaker 5: I wrote a letter to Mark Purdy from the sounds

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Speaker 5: longtime legendary Calmas and he literally Chris in the seventh

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Speaker 5: do from seventh grade through college to be a sports writer. Like,

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Speaker 5: come on, man, like, how many like how many letters

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Speaker 5: and email? Not letters, but how many emails do we get?

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Speaker 5: How many instagram like things that we get? So I

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Speaker 5: try to like take those seriously because, like, I know,

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Speaker 4: But if he didn't write that letter, I'm not here right.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing.

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Speaker 4: That is amazing that he did.

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Speaker 3: That, And now we don't even have a path to

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Speaker 3: It didn't guarantee you were going to get there, but

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Speaker 3: at least there was a blueprint to follow nowadays, there

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Speaker 5: And he's like, right about writing on the school paper

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Speaker 5: in junior high, I was writing on the school paper

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Speaker 5: in the seventh grade cover the eight grade flag football team.

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Speaker 4: That's where the mark J.

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Speaker 5: Spears came from.

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Speaker 3: Christian I never told you that. No, No, it's.

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Speaker 4: The seventh grader's decision to put the J there. That's why.

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Speaker 5: That was my first byline on a go to eight

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Speaker 5: And anybody's like, take all the typing classes you can

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Speaker 3: It still didn't learn how to do it right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And then in college, he said, take as many

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Speaker 5: was definitely not getting drafted with my little pivoty college

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Speaker 5: I had an opportunity to play basketball Columbia University out

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Speaker 5: The top journalists and programs in the country, and they

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Speaker 4: So I had to go to junior college route.

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Speaker 5: So in a lot of ways, I could have made

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Speaker 3: You are, you know, I always say. For me, I

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Speaker 3: felt like I was so lucky and that I had

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Speaker 3: so many mentors when I was really young when I

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Speaker 3: I've always loved being a mentor when I can. But

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Speaker 3: you are the mentor, like so many people who cover

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Speaker 3: the league, you know. Malika Andrews was up there hosting

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Speaker 3: the ceremonies on Friday Night, and she was telling everybody

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Speaker 3: stories of you mentoring her when she was just a

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Speaker 3: college student. What do you remember about when Chris Haynes

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Speaker 3: blipped onto your radar?

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Speaker 5: Man, No, Christians story is really interesting and I don't

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Speaker 5: know if it's really documented. I think you might have

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Speaker 5: talked about it once. I mean, you do so many

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Speaker 4: I remember.

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Speaker 5: So the interesting thing about Chris was like he just

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Speaker 3: But this is no I'm sure young journalism students want

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Speaker 3: Well, his I mean, Chris, Chris's story should be a movie.

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Speaker 4: But there is like this.

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Speaker 1: Hey, remember Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: So the reason I'm gonna tell you why it's important,

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Speaker 6: eight at the time and when I was there, running

440
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 6: into Spears, running into Jamil or steven A. I've never

441
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 6: seen so many black people dressed up and looking good

442
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 6: in suits and professional people, not just that they were

443
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 6: all so welcoming. And I've never been around my people

444
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 6: in that type of environment, you know.

445
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: And so it just and then not just that, Spears.

446
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 6: I don't know if I told you this, but when

447
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 6: I went where I come from, it's normal for us

448
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 6: to graduate college at twenty eight or thirty.

449
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like that's normal. You know

450
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

451
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 6: You start college, you may take some time off, deal

452
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 6: with life, you come back whatever. So when I went

453
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 6: to NABJ, I'm seeing I call them kids. They twenty

454
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 6: two to twenty three, and they were already working at ESPN,

455
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 6: and they had these jobs that I've never heard about,

456
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 6: like behind the scenes jobs. And I left that convention

457
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 6: so motivated. I left it so motivated I left. I

458
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 6: left kind of heartbreaking because I felt like I wasted

459
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 6: majority of my twenties. But I left just even more inspired.

460
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 6: And that's because Spears told me to go, and I

461
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 6: got to see how how it is that we could live.

462
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 6: And then six months later that's what I really did

463
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 6: get my got the Portland job. And so it was

464
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 6: because of Spears telling me to go to that. It

465
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 6: was because of Spears, the the then the welcoming embrace

466
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 6: that he gave me, and not just me, he gives

467
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 6: that to everybody, as you mentioned, Star, And that's the

468
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 6: tough part. That's where I feel guilty at because Spears

469
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 6: is somebody came at our store yesterday.

470
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: Spears, who was that?

471
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 5: It was?

472
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 6: Some woman came at our store yesterday, Star, I kid

473
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 6: you not came at our store yesterday.

474
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: It was a store.

475
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm plugging too big ties.

476
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: Everyone who listens to this show knows about Charlene's beauty

477
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 3: supply in Elk Grounds, California. Everybody knows anybody goes to Sack.

478
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: We did a live pod there. They're doing that the stories.

479
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: But what Channel Channel ten does like a running feature

480
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: every week.

481
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: But you could tell.

482
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 5: I forgot the lady's name, Ashley Jones.

483
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 6: She came into the store and she was telling my wife, Hey,

484
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 6: Mark Spears is my guy.

485
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: It's caught my my wife off guard, like.

486
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 6: You know, he's my my mentor, you know, he told

487
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 6: me to come through here.

488
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: And she brought her mom in there.

489
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 6: Then I just so happened to walk in the store

490
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 6: while they were there shopping. Then she came to me

491
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 6: and tell me Mark Spears, and I'm just like, That's

492
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 6: the part I feel guilty about Stein is that, you know,

493
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 6: I know, the the interaction that me and Spears had

494
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 6: and this you know we first met, but he has

495
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 6: that with hundreds of people, and I am bad at

496
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 6: getting back to people, you know, on this mentoring game.

497
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 6: And I know how much it helped me to ask

498
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 6: Spears look out for me. And it's tough like that,

499
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 6: I know, I know, it's just it's tough, man. It's tough.

500
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: So that's where I always feel guilty at.

501
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: And I pay homage for him because he does he

502
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 6: does that part of the business so well.

503
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: The legendary Mark Spears newly minted Kurt Goudy Award winner,

504
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: Basketball Hall of Fame's highest honor for a reporter. Ceremony

505
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: was just Friday. You got your ring. What's the story?

506
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure everybody asked you the same question. You know,

507
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: what's the first thing you tell people about the weekend?

508
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 3: What's what comes to you? I mean, there's so many

509
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: things you run into so many these great players. And

510
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: that's what, Like, you know, I was giving you a

511
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: hard time during the ceremony, like Artist Gilmore is sitting

512
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: behind you, and like Artist Gilmore doesn't doesn't say, you know,

513
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: I can't say that I've ever had any extensive conversations

514
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: with him.

515
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: A but Artist gilbour real quick. They had this, you know,

516
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: they had this room that you go in before, like

517
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 5: this VIP room. Right, So I going in there and

518
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: I get there early, like my wife's not even ready yet, right, Like,

519
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: I go in there by myself because I want to,

520
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: Like I told her, I'm like I gotta squeeze all

521
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: this in because I got access, right, like, I gotta

522
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 5: get as much as so I get there early.

523
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 4: And the only people there, like.

524
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: He's there, and Artist Gilmore is there, and again, what's

525
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 5: my man?

526
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: Calvin Murphy? Calvin Mury probably got there in the morning, right.

527
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: God, he looks good. How does he look so good

528
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: at his age?

529
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 5: So Artist Gilmore came and like I was sitting at

530
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: this table getting I got some food and some waters

531
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: and stuff, and he sat down and I tried to

532
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: engage with him, told him who I was.

533
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: He had no idea who I was and tried.

534
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 5: To engage with him about some ABA stories that Danisel

535
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 5: told me.

536
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: He'm interested, But I took a picture with you know

537
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: what I mean.

538
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean it's just.

539
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: About is like I had extra seats at my table

540
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: so him and his boy could sit there. And it

541
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 5: was actually kind of funny because I think it was

542
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 5: his brother in law. I know, artist gilboy might be

543
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: bad I tell this story, but his brother in law

544
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 5: is like, man, all these all these Hall favorites coming

545
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 5: in here, I gotta take pictures. Act like you've been

546
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 5: here before. Man, Act like you don't need to take

547
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 5: pictures with nobody. These were like, these are like dudes

548
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: my dad's age, you know what I mean.

549
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: He like, he's like, yeah, you're right, You're right, You're right.

550
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: Like to see Tony.

551
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: Tony gave me a lot of love and Henri, my

552
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 5: Arsenal brother, the Arsenal legend. He was there and we

553
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: talked a lot about his Galazzo show. Chris doesn't know

554
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 5: what we're talking about.

555
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: Stott.

556
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: You know that's awesome. I didn't know you get to

557
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: see him. I only saw him for a brief seton

558
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: so you didn't get some time. Yeah, that's awesome. Carry

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 3: on read the legend part of Tony Parker's party celebrating Tony's.

560
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, Dwayne Wade showed me a lot

561
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: of love.

562
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: So that was like cool, but it's weird because Chris,

563
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 5: you would have tripped out seeing this.

564
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: So I take the escalator down, and I'm like, you.

565
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 5: Know you when you say this speech, like I had

566
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: to be on I felt like I was going on TV.

567
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: I was going on TV, like, but I felt like

568
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 5: I had to be mentally right.

569
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: I had to, you know, have my glasses be ready.

570
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 5: Felt like I had to turn the energy up, and

571
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: so I wasn't in like a real like shake hand,

572
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: kiss baby mode at that time.

573
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: But I take the escalator down. In the first pylon.

574
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 5: Is my picture on it, Like you know, we had

575
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 5: this picture of me, but it's the first thing you

576
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: saw when you went down into Friday ceremony.

577
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 4: So that was a trip. Like I don't know what

578
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: they did with it.

579
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 5: I wish I had at it, like, but that was

580
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 5: that's when it like really hit that it was real.

581
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: But perhaps the biggest thing was just I think my

582
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: mom just getting the ability to tell my mom thank

583
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: you in front of a national audience is like great,

584
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 5: you know for her to And that's funny because Artist

585
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: Gilmore sitting behind me, so I think you figured out

586
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: who I was afterwards.

587
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you know he's before Chris. Chris once made

588
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: me upset on this show because he The White Shadow

589
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: was before his time and he was not He was

590
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: not up to speed on the greatness of my favorite

591
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: ever television show. So, like I always say, Artist Gilmore

592
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: might have been in like one episode in three seasons.

593
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he was in that. But

594
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: like Artist Gilmore was constantly talked about on The White

595
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: Shadow because Coach Reeves was a fictional Chicago bull. So

596
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: Artist gil or his royalty even even if he didn't

597
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: give you the warmest of embraces.

598
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 5: But you know, my my cousin, do you know you're

599
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: familiar with uh.

600
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone actually just I didn't know that story, but

601
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: you tell the story. But someone actually just told me

602
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: that Washburn told me about this.

603
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 5: So Curtis Jackson on The White Shadow played by Eric

604
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: Kilpatrick is married to my cousin Christine. Amazing, who was that?

605
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: Who was there? She came to the Hall of Fame stuff.

606
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: That's dope.

607
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 5: So like when when Gary met on he you know,

608
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: you know washes, Hey, he takes pictures with all the

609
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: like blaxploitation actors.

610
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't tell me. He didn't tell me he

611
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: took a picture. He left that part out. Well I

612
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: would have too, for sure.

613
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 5: Like take the picture with the dude from the chef,

614
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: you know, and which way is up?

615
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: All the old Arnold will let's.

616
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: See take pictures with dev you know, surely from what

617
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: happened rerun, Dwayne.

618
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: I mean, that was my other favorite show besides White Shadow.

619
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: Okay, a star our Street cred right.

620
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: There, don't make me start doing lines from the show Spirits.

621
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Speaker 6: I know you didn't think about entering the Hall of

622
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 6: Fame in this capacity.

623
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this was a goal of yours.

624
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 6: But aside from that, was there a moment in your

625
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 6: career were you, like if not thought you had a

626
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 6: chance at this, at getting into this, But was there

627
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 6: a moment of your career where you realize like, yeah,

628
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 6: I made it, like great things might be in store,

629
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 6: Like was there any point.

630
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 4: You know you're gonna laugh at this?

631
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 5: I thought, And when I'm when I say this, you're

632
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 5: not gonna think it's not shade, it's actually respect. Right

633
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: when Stein made it, I said, man, maybe I might

634
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: have a shot in like eight to ten years, because

635
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 5: because I like, he's my the beginning of my generation, right,

636
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 5: because Stein been covering it since what.

637
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: Six No, I'm sorry, ninety three, No, ninety three, ninety four,

638
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: So this high season, this season coming up is thirty

639
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: one for me.

640
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I started six years after him. So

641
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 5: when Stein made it, which I expected him to make it,

642
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 5: but when he made it, I'm like, maybe I might

643
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 5: have a shot in like eight five to ten years

644
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: something like that, I might have a shot. So I

645
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 5: was super excited for him when he got in. He's

646
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: got the humility of people in the Bible, you know

647
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 5: what I mean, just got some of the greatest humility

648
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: I've ever seen. And a lot of people don't know that.

649
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 5: Me and Mark and I don't know. You know this, Chris,

650
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 5: we worked together at the LA So I was at

651
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: the LA Daily News very briefly, like ninety seven and

652
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 5: ninety eight. Stein was covering the Lakers, Washington was covering

653
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 5: to Clippers, and then I was covering the Angels and

654
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 5: the Dodgers and backup on and covered cal State Northridge

655
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: football and basketball and sold the crazy thing about that

656
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: is like stein Lee's and they brought remember Howard Becken

657
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 5: in to cover the Lakers, and you know, I think

658
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 5: Gary and I were.

659
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: Hoping We're gonna get bumped up.

660
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: Didn't happen, and then Gary and I eventually left. But

661
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 5: I realized while covering that Cal State Northridge basketball that

662
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 5: baseball was I was at an Angels game and I

663
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 5: remember a guy was calling pitches, you know what I mean,

664
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 5: stein Like. He was like, that's a curveball, that's a slider,

665
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: that's a sinker. And I'm like, how do you know

666
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: these pitches? And he's like, oh, I played college baseball.

667
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 5: So I'm like, why am I covering baseball? I need

668
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: to cover basketball, That's.

669
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: What I know.

670
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 5: And I was enjoying. I had just covered Arkansas Nolan

671
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: Richardson and then so now I'm covering cal State northadge

672
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 5: in the Big Sky, going to games in Montana, Montana, State,

673
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 5: Northern Arizona, Eastern Washington. And I enjoyed that more than

674
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 5: I love cover Major League baseball. And that's why I

675
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 5: left and went to Louisville Kentucky to cover college basketball.

676
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 5: So it wasn't even really an NBA dream at first.

677
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 5: It was just a basketball dream. So I was covering,

678
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: you know, I was a general assignment reporter and Louisville, Kentucky,

679
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 5: which basically means I generally signed to do whatever the

680
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: hell they wanted me to do. I did everything from

681
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: cover a league when he was named athlete is Century

682
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 5: in Kentucky, to Martin McGuire breaking the home run record,

683
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 5: to University of Louisville's women volleyball and some auto race

684
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: where I was the only black person there and the

685
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: pre race meal was fried chicken.

686
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

687
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: So I ended up doing all.

688
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: I broke this Tim Couch going to the NFL story

689
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: and met Michael Eves at that time, and I'm doing

690
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 5: a lot of Kentucky and Louisville football and basketball, and

691
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay. They had and Stein knows her Ashley

692
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 5: mcgahe was covering University of Louisville women's men's and women's

693
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 5: i mean football and men's basketball at the time, so

694
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: she was leaving to cover the Sixers and they were

695
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 5: going to promote me to cover U of L full time.

696
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: Danny Crumb was the head coach. I was like, cool,

697
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 4: this is great.

698
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: And then Neil Scarborough was sports hittor at the Denver Post,

699
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 5: who I met at NABJ, called me and said, how

700
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 5: you like it there in Louisvull. I'm like, oh, man,

701
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: it's cool getting my feet wet. And he's like, you're

702
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 5: interested in coming to Denver Nuggets And I'm like, when

703
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: can I leave? And I didn't really have I had

704
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: basketball dreams, I didn't necessarily have NBA dreams, and I

705
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 5: had to get Brad Turner credit Brad Turner covering the

706
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 5: NBA forever for the LA Times. I talked to Brad

707
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: about it and he's like, yeah, man, you got to

708
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 5: make that move. You got to make that move. And

709
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 5: so you know, I started covering the NBA at the

710
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 5: Denver Post and the great Mike Monroe, man like from

711
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 5: the day I got there, he put his arm around

712
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 5: me and was a big brother to me. And you know,

713
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 5: legendary rider who should certainly be in the Hall of

714
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 5: Fame as well. Yes, for sure, so he he certainly

715
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: could have been a jealous dude, which I faced from

716
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 5: other people and didn't want to help the only thing

717
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 5: the funny thing though. The first game Chris like the

718
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 5: Nuggets lost about like forty and he's like, this is

719
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: your team now?

720
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 4: He was the NBA, right, was that that.

721
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: Was d'An toni coaching?

722
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: Then?

723
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 6: No, this was ninety season after so Moreau was in

724
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 6: Denver before San Antonio.

725
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I didn't know that.

726
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: But it's so funny. It's so funny about Monroe because

727
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: in those days, Monroe was inseparable with all the Texas writers.

728
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't in Texas yet, but it's like you only

729
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: you only ever saw him with David Moore from the

730
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: Dallas Murray News and fran Blindberry from the Houston Chronicle

731
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: and Back Harvey from the San Antonio Express News. So

732
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: Scott Howard, Scott, Howard Cooper and I won the Laker

733
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: beet in Dallas.

734
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: Don't forget him?

735
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brad Townsend, No.

736
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: No, another one covers the maths now.

737
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: Price Oh, d Moore and Brad Townsend were the Morning News,

738
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 3: got no and cepco and yeah, so Howard Cooper and

739
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: I covered the Lakers. We used to call them the

740
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: Texas Mafia. And even though Monroe was in Denver, he

741
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: was he was part of it because he was he

742
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: was always with them, and then of course ended up

743
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: in San Antonio himself.

744
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no Monroe.

745
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: I called Monroe Monroe.

746
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: He was He was of huge help to me and

747
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 5: I love him dearly man, and just never was anything

748
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: but helpful. Never once an ounce of like hate or

749
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 5: this kid or nothing like that.

750
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: Actually, now you just sparked. You sparked a question that

751
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: I have to ask you, So I'm not going to

752
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: go too deep in the details, but the Denver Post

753
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: and the Rocky Mountain News in those days did not

754
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 3: love each other, and so you come in, how did

755
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: you How did you deal with that? Because the stories

756
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: that I was told was that the papers sitting next

757
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: to each other at Nuggets games would not would not

758
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: necessarily even utter a word to each other.

759
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: No, I definitely hated Jim that.

760
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: I thought.

761
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 6: You know, I wasn't expecting that, er, Chris, you should.

762
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: This was like there were rivalries, and you know, we

763
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: all have our own rivalries, but you know, this is

764
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: the beat. Writers live with each other, they travel every day.

765
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: But but there was.

766
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: There was no discussion between the newspapers.

767
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 5: When I first got there, there was a writer who

768
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 5: no end up being a great calmness, but he was

769
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 5: covering the beat. I won't say his name, but he

770
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 5: his main guy was George McLeod. George McLeod was giving

771
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 5: him all that fault and I was like, I'm gonna

772
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: get him. Go a vent ex mcd's McLeod. Everybody raife

773
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 5: and I was able to get in with everybody quickly,

774
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: but he was only like close to George, and so

775
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 5: he used to always tell me, what, you're a players guy,

776
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 5: You're a players guy. It was like his assive aggressive

777
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 5: way of yeah, yeah, you know you've been here where

778
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 5: He's like, why why should I feel guilty because the

779
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 5: players are giving me information like I mean Dan, and

780
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 5: so what is my guy now?

781
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: But at that time he won't.

782
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 5: Get me nothing right like and but you know how

783
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 5: it is like why do I need them when I

784
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 5: could just get it from the players. And so the

785
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: guy would constantly say you're a player's guy, You're a

786
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 5: player's guy.

787
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: I knew that was hate. I didn't care.

788
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 5: I kept being a player's guy, and being a players

789
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 5: guy has going to help me. I don't get into

790
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: the get the gauty without being a players guy.

791
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah quick, but there was both got we both got

792
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: to cover mister render.

793
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: It was very very interesting.

794
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 5: I still somewhere have a letter which I should pull

795
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 5: out where Nick was fined twenty five like fitting on

796
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars for missing coming, missing a shoot around

797
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 5: and being suspended for a game in Houston. He probably

798
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 5: was out partying too much the night before. Respect Nick,

799
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: it's just what happened back then. And he got the

800
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: letter and handed it to our columnist Mark Kislin. They

801
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 5: put the whole letter in the paper. Like, so I

802
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: got the letter signed by Dad, I got to I

803
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 5: still got it to put it on ebase. Yeah, so

804
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: I got a Dan Issel signed find letter to date's

805
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 5: vad Exel. But no, that was there were certainly some characters,

806
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 5: and if you could cover Nick man Exell, you could

807
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 5: cover anybody man. He was an amazing player. But no,

808
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 5: the one other incident I have and I won't mention

809
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 5: this guy's.

810
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: Name either, but such a gentleman.

811
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Chris, you didn't have to deal with this.

812
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: But right when the Internet was really starting to boom,

813
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 5: like we still had to send you had to plug

814
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: in to your computer to send your stories, like we

815
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: weren't emailing, they weren't.

816
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: Wireless, yet they had wireless chords.

817
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 5: So this one guy from that other paper, he would

818
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: come early and purposely just plug his computer in to

819
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: the core to not share it. They were like, basically,

820
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 5: we had to share a hardline. What do they call

821
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 5: those lines? We still have them? Yes, yeah, to get online, right,

822
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 5: we had to share it. But he wouldn't share. He

823
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 5: would take it the whole damn game. And he would

824
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 5: do this over and over and over again. So I

825
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: would always have to like on deadline, going to back

826
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 5: and send my story in because he acted like he

827
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 5: owned the line. So one time I damn near missed

828
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 5: the deadline in Houston because he he was like I'm

829
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 5: about to say, I'm about to saying I'm about to send,

830
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 5: and he didn't sin, and I waited like two or

831
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: three minutes waiting for him, and I was basically like, man,

832
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 5: this is some bs. You got to stop doing this. Man,

833
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 5: this ain't cool. And I went in the back and sent.

834
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 5: So then we went to Seattle. I've never told this too.

835
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 5: I don't a lot.

836
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: You hal there, go ahead.

837
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 5: So and if he's hearing it now, you'll know why

838
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: I did We go to Seattle, and I remember this

839
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 5: is when I was still a fan of the Traders

840
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: before they move. And it was the same day as

841
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 5: the Tuck Rule game, because I'm watching the Tuck Rule

842
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 5: on the TV as the Seattle Nuggets game is going on,

843
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 5: and Earl Boykins had this amazing game where he scored

844
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 5: fifteen points in overtime.

845
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 4: It might be a NBA record.

846
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 5: Still, I don't know to win the game, and so

847
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: the deadlines passed. This dude won't give up the line again.

848
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: I'm in sense, bro, I'm in sense I can't like

849
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: I'm getting yelled at by the desk, and this guy

850
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: won't let me send my story in because he's like

851
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 5: I'm about to say, I'm about to send I'm about

852
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 5: to like he owns this line. Yeah yeah, So I

853
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 5: just I lose it. I going back. I send my story.

854
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 5: We go to the locker room and I cursed him out.

855
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: I like lost to Chris, very out of character for

856
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: me better.

857
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: I cursed the.

858
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 5: Job and just basically I don't even want to repeat

859
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: everything I said, but everything I was holding in it

860
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 5: came out. That was like the second time, like you're

861
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 5: affecting my job. You're affecting my ability to do my job.

862
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 5: You're being selfish. And I let him know, and all

863
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 5: I remember is about stor remember this that this just

864
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 5: like Clipper Daryl. The Sonics had like a Clipper Daryl

865
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 5: caught of dude. He was like six ' two, probably

866
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 5: like three p fifty guys, and he was always like

867
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 5: just joking and making jokes.

868
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 4: And so this is apology to the dude. Right.

869
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 5: He comes up, He's like, hey, guys, what you what

870
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 5: is and sold this argument blah blah blah.

871
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, shut up, Shrek, this is none of

872
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: your business. Did you hear that story?

873
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: I told the fan that, man, I'm like, shut.

874
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: Up, ain't none of your damn business.

875
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: Thank god there was no Twitter to end up on Twitter.

876
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he ended up like and he like walked

877
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 7: away and everything, and then Jeff Buzzdelic walked out and

878
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 7: it was just like, dude, all right, I got it

879
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 7: out of my system, went up by day, never had

880
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 7: an issue ever again.

881
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: Right, he never had a problem again.

882
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 5: Well, so the next day I get home, I get

883
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 5: called into the office.

884
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 4: By my editor, Greg Moore. I never told this story.

885
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: I don't care what they gonna do now. It was

886
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 4: difficult to bed rock. He gonna be mad. So Greg

887
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: Boy breaks me.

888
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 5: Into his office and he's like, yeah, you know this

889
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 5: guy he said that you you know, you screamed and cursed.

890
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: Him out in for the locker room and blah blah blah.

891
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 4: I did.

892
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 5: It's like, well, you can't do that, and you know

893
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 5: you could face the suspension and blah blah blah.

894
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: And I'm like, y'all.

895
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 5: Want me to turn my stories in on time, right.

896
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 5: You're always on us about turning their story in on

897
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 5: time and making deadline right. I'm like, this guy is

898
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 5: keeping me from doing it. It's happened like five times,

899
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 5: so you want to just keep starting putting stuff in

900
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 5: late because of this guy. That's why I'm blowing up.

901
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 5: I'm mad again. Right, And he goes and he told

902
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: me something very very powerful. He goes, all right, it

903
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 5: ain't not going to happen to you, but from now

904
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 5: on you can't speak to him. Just do your job

905
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: and you can't speak to him. And so we covered

906
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: the job next to each other for like three more years.

907
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: I never spoke to him. Damn, still haven't spoke to

908
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 4: him to this day.

909
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Damn.

910
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: But he was doing other things like.

911
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 5: Asking players, Chris, you would have been just think about

912
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: all this, Chris, because this is why I built up.

913
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 4: He was asking players what questions.

914
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: I was, I swear I'll.

915
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 4: Be what do he ask you about?

916
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: He would we would go to Tim gaelp the PR

917
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 5: guy or ship Ic Sebashi and ask.

918
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: Him who I was going to interview.

919
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 5: And then even though he didn't need to talk to

920
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 5: those people, he would put them on his list too.

921
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 5: So he was doing a lot of like shady stuff

922
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 5: and that like just not so all that accumulated and

923
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 5: I lost it.

924
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: But I know to this day I just saw the

925
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: guy to it the finals. I didn't speak to him.

926
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 4: I don't speak to them, and.

927
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 5: And Stein knows who it is newspapers and and but

928
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: it just showed me, like the power you have and

929
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 5: turning somebody off mm hm, the point if they don't

930
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 5: exist to you, then they can't bother you.

931
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: Why did I tell that story? Chris?

932
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 6: And Joy enjoyed it just as much as I did.

933
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: No, I did. I mean I did not know it

934
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: to that extent. That was not what I expected at all.

935
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: I enjoyed because you know, he had to like he

936
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 6: had to cut me off from cussing people out a

937
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 6: few times in the locker room. Man, you know, I'm

938
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 6: still great. I'm evolving.

939
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: I'm evolving, like I think people understanding the gaming ship of.

940
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 5: You know, even even like there there's there's parts of

941
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 5: our industry where like after a game. You know, Chris

942
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 5: is great at getting one on ones. Stein used to

943
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 5: mess with me. He's like, oh, you know, Dirk. You know,

944
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 5: I remember one time I came to Dallas and I

945
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 5: wanted Dirk and Dirk said to start or justn you're

946
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 5: jealous if I do it one on one with.

947
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: You know, he liked the job me. He liked to

948
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: make fun of me because Dirk was the guy who

949
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: would give everybody one on ones and so he'd be

950
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: at his locker and he'd be He'd love to like

951
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: look over and go, we're leaving. We're leaving now.

952
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 5: But but no, there's like there certainly is a gaming

953
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 5: ship to get one on one interviews, getting the walk off.

954
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: Chris is great.

955
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: Know you two are you? If they ever have a

956
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: Sidle Hall of Fame, the two of you will be

957
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: in it.

958
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: Marcus Thompson, Greg So, Chris and I like last year,

959
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 5: we both needed k D Kevin Durant, but like we're like,

960
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 5: all right, which one of us want to go first?

961
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

962
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 5: It was like like we was like we had this

963
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 5: like yeah, okay, how much time you need?

964
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: How much? Yeah, showed up. We showed up at the

965
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Kings game.

966
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 6: You know, well, we only go show up at the

967
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 6: Keys game if like there's a big team, a big

968
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 6: star at town.

969
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 5: They didn't get the Kings respect, no, no, no, But this.

970
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: Is before we didn't know the Kings were like the

971
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: Kings at that point.

972
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't know I was predicted. I wasn't

973
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 6: sold yet. So Brooklyn is in town and so be

974
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 6: e speised each other pre game. I'm like, ship, so.

975
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 4: You know what I want? How are we going to

976
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: work this out?

977
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: And so we ended up talking about it. We said

978
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: let's go.

979
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 6: Let's how that KD pregame and so we told KD

980
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 6: spears like you know, we both need you, and KD

981
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, I got y'all.

982
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: Afterwards, I got y'all, I got ya.

983
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 5: And then I was like, Chris, I got to drive

984
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 5: back to Bay, so I'll let me go first so

985
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 5: I could go home and he's like, all right.

986
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: And not just that, not just that.

987
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 6: Remember I took you know, Spears said, there's a gaming

988
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 6: ship and there's a respect of it. Like that bullshit

989
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 6: that that reporter pull like asking the players, what did

990
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 6: he ask you? Like, I get that that that's been

991
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 6: done to me before, and that's that's some weak ship.

992
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 6: So when Spears had KD, he had him a long time.

993
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 6: He had him a long time. But what I did

994
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 6: was I didn't stand by listening. Yeah, I gave him

995
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

996
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 3: Like I didn't because there is still there is still

997
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: a code that still exists, and the code works like this.

998
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 3: If I walk up and see you speaking to a

999
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: player one on one that's off limits, you stay away.

1000
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: You do not uncroach on somebody's one on one. If

1001
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: there are two reporters there, now it's open to everybody,

1002
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: and we're giving.

1003
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: Them a master y'all getting a master's class right now.

1004
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 4: I'll beat right.

1005
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: But that's why covering the glory.

1006
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 5: And there has to There has been times where I say, hey, man,

1007
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 5: let me finish first.

1008
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: Somebody will walk up, let me finish.

1009
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to end and to be a veteran,

1010
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: A veteran, I should know better.

1011
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because some guys know the rule but just

1012
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: pretend that they're going to ignore it because they're nervous

1013
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 3: to see player X talking to you for whatever reason.

1014
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: But that the Glory Days Warriors, and I got to

1015
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: throw a mick on the list too. So it's like

1016
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: the Glory We're all trying to sidle these guys after

1017
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: every game. Can I get thirty seconds with Steph? Can

1018
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: I get a minute with Klay? Can I get Draymond?

1019
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 3: And so it's you two, Thompson and amic all going

1020
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 3: for the sidles, and then me too. There was it

1021
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: was a lot.

1022
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: It was a.

1023
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: Lot, Yeah, but pressures. That was the pressure. How are

1024
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: we going to at our title?

1025
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 4: After the game?

1026
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he figured out, Yeah, it gets done.

1027
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: When we see each other, we'd.

1028
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: Be like like, damn god, he come to me.

1029
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: That's I'm out. I'm out of that. I'm too I'm

1030
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: too old for that nonsense. I can only last season though.

1031
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 5: He did get Anthony Davis, and then Anthony Davis took

1032
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 5: off running. I was waiting on Anthony Davis too.

1033
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: Who Haines did.

1034
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got him, and you know you don't know that.

1035
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: Where was that a crypto?

1036
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 4: No, that's Sack.

1037
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: It's Sack too, But so Sack.

1038
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 3: Is the haven for titles.

1039
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: Well, look, this is a part of the game.

1040
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 6: It's like like when I said Spirits had Katie for

1041
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 6: a long time. This is after the game, like he

1042
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 6: had it for a long time. But I'm gonna respect

1043
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: my boy's time. You know, just had a protocol period.

1044
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 6: I don't know. Listen, you talked him longer than I did.

1045
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think so.

1046
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: But no.

1047
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 6: The reason I say that is because they're on the road,

1048
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 6: and then Katie could be like, no, I just gave

1049
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 6: spears fifteen minutes like Chris, do it tomorrow, Chris, Oh no,

1050
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 6: it was it fell along.

1051
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: Waiting. Yeah, I was waiting exactly.

1052
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: Felt I actually left some questions on the table because

1053
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: I think you were awaiting.

1054
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: No, no, I appreciate that.

1055
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 6: But at the same time, like again, I'm not standing

1056
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 6: near trying to listen to every question. Like, so I

1057
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 6: go in so when I get them, I go in

1058
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 6: thinking maybe I'm going to ask the same question. I'm

1059
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 6: not going to ask KD what the spears.

1060
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 4: And were very different if they go.

1061
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 6: Back Yeah, it was different, and I got them on

1062
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 6: something else. But that's that's the protocol. So you know

1063
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 6: this is a message not just to aspiring journalists, but

1064
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 6: even veteran journalists.

1065
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: Man, you see.

1066
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 6: Somebody get a one on one, one on one, back up,

1067
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 6: back on? Yeah, because I'm gonna say something spears more

1068
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 6: or the more policy. He's hall of fame. I ain't

1069
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 6: the hall of fame. Yet he can't. He can't get

1070
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 6: away with some things I can get away with. I'm

1071
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 6: gonna say something.

1072
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 4: Like back on.

1073
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: But I think George Carl will stop confusing us.

1074
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 4: Now.

1075
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: You know that's another that's another story that Mark Spears

1076
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 3: is six ' six. I'm five nine on a good day,

1077
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: and yet coach Carl loves to call you Mark Stein

1078
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: and call me Mark Spears.

1079
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 5: And had a guy had a Sacramento game in the playoffs.

1080
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 5: He was yelling at me Stein and I didn't turn

1081
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 5: her around. I just kept walking and he ran up

1082
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 5: to me Mark Stein. I'm like, where is he?

1083
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 4: He's like, what do you mean?

1084
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: It's like, I ain't Mark Stein, I'm George Man. I

1085
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: got to tell a quick George story. So all the

1086
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: years at ESPN, I did the Power Rankings for fifteen years,

1087
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: and God bless you there there are certain coaches who

1088
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 3: really liked those Power rankings more than they wanted to admit.

1089
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: There are certain coaches who really really read them and

1090
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: really got wound up about where I would have them

1091
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: on a Monday. And I believe that George Carl was

1092
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: one of those readers who did like it and in

1093
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: the rankings because I was always trying to be I

1094
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: was always trying to get, you know, be you know,

1095
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: I had that that Vessey influence where I wanted to

1096
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: come up so bad with nicknames because VESSI was the

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00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: king of you know, giving guys nicknames. So I started

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00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: calling him furious George, and I heard through the grapevine

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: that he hated it, and he got pissed at me,

1100
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: and he hated that I would call him furious George

1101
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: and the rankings. So what happens years later when he

1102
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: decides to write his own book, what does he call it?

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00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: Furious George?

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: That's George Carl one time.

1105
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: So George was mad. George was coach of the Nuggets.

1106
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 5: He was mad at Mark Mark Kisler, a calumnists endeaver,

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00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 5: for something he wrote. And so he kept like acting

1108
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 5: funny towards me, and I finally like lost the widow.

1109
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, George, is my name, Mark Spears and Mark Kisler?

1110
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: Which one is If you got a problem with Kisling,

1111
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: then you take that up with Kisling. But if you

1112
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 5: got a problem with me, take it up with me.

1113
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 5: I ain't got a problem with you. And then why

1114
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: are you act the funny towards me? Or be passive aggressive?

1115
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 5: Say something to him if you got a problem, you know.

1116
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: Good by association.

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, but Georgia, George was interesting. He certainly could

1118
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 5: you know, you need to do your pregame notebook? Turn your

1119
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 5: notebook in. Nobody was better at filling a notebook than

1120
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 5: him and Doc rivers Man. They could fill up a

1121
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 5: notebook for you. Rey Allen unbelievable with that, you could

1122
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 5: asked Ray Allen. I just saw Ray shout out to

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00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 5: Rey Allen Man, just one of the greatest professionals I

1124
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 5: ever covered. You could be like Ray today in Turkey

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 5: there was an incident in which, oh, yeah, you know.

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: You do it, Ray doing everything.

1127
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 5: You could explained the Pythagoraea theorem to you, right, Realen

1128
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 5: is like the sharpest knife you will meet.

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Speaker 6: If going to ask you this, I know the time's

1130
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 6: getting close close to an end, but I wouldn't ask

1131
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 6: you this if if you can name of a player

1132
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 6: like you know, obviously they associate me with Dame and

1133
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 6: you know, I give him a lot of.

1134
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Praise and recognition for you know, my.

1135
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 6: Career trajectory, you know, because it definitely happened when when

1136
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: Dane came aboard. Is there a player if like you know,

1137
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 6: how like is it major League Baseball where they go

1138
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 6: into the Hall of Fame they retired with a team. Yeah, yeah,

1139
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 6: So if there was a player, yeah, that you would

1140
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 6: say you were most associated with throughout your career, who

1141
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 6: would that one player be?

1142
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 4: I would probably start with Mellow Carmel, That's what That's

1143
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: what I was going to say.

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I figured answer your own question.

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw him and I talked to him since

1146
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 5: he retired, so it was really I mean we only

1147
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 5: had like ninety minute conversation, but he you know, I

1148
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 5: told him thank you because because of him, people were

1149
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 5: paying attention to my work.

1150
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 4: The Nuggets weren't really that great.

1151
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 5: They never could get out the first round, but they

1152
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 5: were always in the playoffs. You know, I started covering

1153
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 5: the team in ninety nine. He showed up in two

1154
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: thousand and three. They didn't go to the playoffs the

1155
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 5: first four years I was covering. So you know, if

1156
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 5: the tree falls in the forest, is anyone paying attention.

1157
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 5: They paid attention when Mellow came. And I remember when

1158
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 5: I got the job in Boston covering the Big three

1159
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 5: of the Septics, which I don't know people people in

1160
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 5: Boston associate with me with them, you know, because they won.

1161
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 5: And when Garnett says anything is right there, I'm right there.

1162
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 5: I'm always in that moment. But I would definitely say

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 5: ivers Sin and maybe to a lesser extent Steph just

1164
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 5: because I was around, not that I covered the Warriors

1165
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 5: full time, but being in the Bay Area and basically

1166
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 5: being there from his extension to bad Ankles to Superstar.

1167
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know. Stein Stein could probably better ask

1168
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 5: to that, would you say?

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Speaker 3: I would have said Mellow first if someone asked me

1170
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 3: my thought, I would have said Mellow first. But look,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know.

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Speaker 1: Dirt, Yeah, of course he's dirt, of course.

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01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 3: But I always say, if like, you can only tell

1174
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: good stories if you're trusted to have access. You know,

1175
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: like I've been telling Dirk stories for a week because

1176
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: obviously with Dirt getting inducted, I've done ninety five interviews

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01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: about it, and he didn't. These guys don't have to

1178
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 3: let us tag along. And there's a lot of times

1179
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: we see stuff in their bad moments, and you know

1180
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: that's you have to be grateful for that, because it's

1181
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: like you can only tell good stories if you see stuff.

1182
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 6: And speaking of telling stories of the Mark Spears, I

1183
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 6: had the pleasure at this was at the NABJ convention

1184
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 6: here in Birmingham, Alabama, last week or two weeks ago.

1185
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 6: He's telling stories in a different matter now. So I'm

1186
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 6: proud of it. I'm proud of my brother for venturing

1187
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 6: out and doing something. So he's a part of a

1188
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 6: project that's called It's going to drop on Hulu August

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01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 6: twenty eighth. The series is the Conversations Project, that's the

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Speaker 6: name of it. It's gonna be on Hulu drops August

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01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 6: twenty eighth, And he showed I don't know if this

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01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 6: was the first episode.

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Speaker 1: This the first episode we got to see was a screening.

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01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that BJ. Yeah, I'm glad you saw it.

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01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 6: First episode, I was there and I was blown away.

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 6: I was blown away by the concept I was. I

1197
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 6: told you, I was blown away by the concept of

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 6: the conversation.

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Speaker 1: And basically, I'm gonna let your spears.

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Speaker 6: I wanna let you tell tell how this came to

1201
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 6: be and give a little bit more take ustle bit

1202
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 6: more inside of how this project came to be and

1203
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 6: what it's about. But I fell in love with it.

1204
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 6: I can't wait when it comes out. And I'm being like, guys,

1205
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 6: I'm being real, genuine and when I say how much

1206
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: I love this first episode that I got to see

1207
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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, but stop, I mean spirits.

1208
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about this.

1209
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 4: It's called a Conversations project.

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 5: And about a year and a half ago, there's a

1211
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 5: friend of mine, uh named Chef David Lawrence who used

1212
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 5: to have this restaurant called thirteen hundred on Philmore kobe

1213
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 5: Ate there lebron Ate there. It's like the greatest soul

1214
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 5: food restaurant I've ever been to you the love it, Chris.

1215
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 5: But it had like swag and atmosphere to it, and

1216
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 5: it was like maybe a little boozie for you. You know,

1217
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: they didn't have hot sauce all over the place, but.

1218
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: I don't do hot sauce.

1219
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 4: Sp ahead. Yeah.

1220
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 5: But anyways, me and him like developed this TV show

1221
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 5: where we basically initially actually Terrence Mann. I'll give you

1222
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 5: a little secret. Terence Man was in the pilot where

1223
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 5: we basically took him to a vineyard. We interviewed him

1224
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 5: in the vineyard in a tation room at Charles Krook Winery,

1225
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 5: and then the chef brought him into the kitchen and

1226
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 5: curated a meal based on his Caribbean background. And then

1227
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 5: we brought the meal to a roundtable that for a

1228
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 5: dinner discussion and included on Terrence's good friends. Brought Brian Shaw,

1229
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 5: the Clippers assistant, his wife, chef Nikki and also a

1230
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 5: comedian activist w camal Bell and Brene Royale, a black

1231
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 5: woman in the wine industry.

1232
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: So then we had the wine. And so we did the.

1233
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 5: Show, and we sent the pilot in and and scaped

1234
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: and Hulu said, we just loved the dinner.

1235
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 4: We want to do it with the dinner.

1236
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 5: What I'm gonna say, no, So what they ended up

1237
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 5: doing is along with me and chef, they ended added

1238
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 5: Elaine welter Roth Project Runway at former editor of Team Vogue,

1239
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 5: and basically made it a dinner show that we filmed

1240
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 5: in New York, Long Island City where it's us three

1241
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 5: hosts and like five black people of note of varying

1242
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 5: success and different genres, just having dinner talking. And so

1243
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: every episode we highlight a different black owned winery. And

1244
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 5: then we also chef curates this beautiful meal where he

1245
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 5: brings out a dish and every dish is like a

1246
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 5: different topic. So we have an appetizer, we have a

1247
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 5: main course.

1248
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: And we have a dessert, and Chris the fool is

1249
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 4: good too.

1250
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really you could tell, yeah, but the

1251
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 5: conversation gets deep. It's a completely black, you know, group,

1252
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: doesn't mean people that aren't black can't watch it. I

1253
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 5: think everybody will enjoy it because you're basically taking you

1254
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 5: behind the curtain in the black community and how we

1255
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 5: really feel about good, bad, and and different about what's

1256
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 5: going on in our world. And some of the things

1257
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 5: are really hard to talk about. Some of the things

1258
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 5: are painful, but some of the things are funny and hilarious.

1259
01:05:54,440 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 5: And Chris got to see episode two and it was

1260
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 5: the first time I got to see it.

1261
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 4: With a crowd of people we watched at.

1262
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 5: The recent NABJ convention, and I was so happy, man,

1263
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 5: because it's like, you're bringing this baby into the world

1264
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 5: and you don't know how people are gonna take it,

1265
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 5: and still don't really until it comes out. All six

1266
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: episodes on August twenty eighth on Hulu and internationally on

1267
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 5: Disney Plus.

1268
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 4: But Chris seemed to love it. Everybody seemed to love it.

1269
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 5: And I think it's a different show because it just

1270
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 5: basically bringing a bunch of successful people in room and

1271
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 5: having a very intelligent conversation.

1272
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 4: And I think people need to see black people in

1273
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 4: this light. Man.

1274
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 5: A lot of times we are put in a less

1275
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 5: favorable light, in a ghetto light, in a.

1276
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: In a light that makes people like.

1277
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 5: Threatened by us, or you know, or throwing drinks at

1278
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 5: each other, talking crazy. You know, this is like the

1279
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 5: conversations we typically have at dinner, right, Chris, And so

1280
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 5: I'm really really.

1281
01:06:59,040 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 4: Proud of it. I don't know.

1282
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 5: I hope everybody checks it out and gives it a chance,

1283
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 5: and hope is very successful. But to be a writer,

1284
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 5: a sports writer, NBA writer and put out a TV

1285
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 5: show that ain't got nothing to do with sports is

1286
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 5: certainly a great accomplishment for me.

1287
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 3: Kurt Goudi winner and an executive producer credit, all in

1288
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: the same year you had twenty You will not will

1289
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: not forget twenty twenty three.

1290
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: He's not done. He's not done.

1291
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 6: On September thirtieth, his alma mater, San Jose State is

1292
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 6: honoring him with the William Randolph Hurst Foundation Award.

1293
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: What explain what that award is.

1294
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 5: It's a journalism excellence award. Man, So I'm proud that

1295
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 5: my alma mater is gonna come. I know you're a

1296
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 5: Fresno State guy, but I want you and your wife

1297
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 5: to come down and come to that. And doctor Fauci

1298
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 5: has wonted some extreme journalists of wanting so yeah, Sten,

1299
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 5: come through.

1300
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 4: Man. We're all cal State University.

1301
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: Got that's right, that's right now. This is we did it.

1302
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 3: We kept First of all, we kept you way too long,

1303
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: but we did it. Fullerton, Fresno and San Jose got

1304
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: along here for seventy five minutes. I apologize everyone. I

1305
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: did have it on the list for us to talk

1306
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Speaker 3: about James Harden and talk about Damian Lillard. But you

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Speaker 3: know what, I think it was more important to tell

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Speaker 3: journalism because it's more important before because we do we

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Speaker 3: love our business, we love what we do, and we

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Speaker 3: do want we do want people to keep wanting to

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Speaker 3: do this. So I hope in all these stories that

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Speaker 3: we told today there's some there's some good information.

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Speaker 1: Like that.

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Speaker 3: The NBA Central we have no control over what the

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Speaker 3: agree they Yeah, who is the guy?

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Speaker 4: Is this?

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Speaker 3: Who is covering the team for the Rocky Mount News.

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Speaker 4: Because I gave to day everything.

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Speaker 1: Everything, figure it out.

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Speaker 6: I thought you're gonna say you pulled you actually pulled

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Speaker 6: this hard line out and pull it in yours so

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Speaker 6: you can tell your story, do that, but I lost it.

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Speaker 3: That's luckily there's no video today. There would have been video.

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Speaker 3: Luckily today there's what that was. There was that was

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Speaker 3: all right everyone, Mark Spears.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I love you both. You're my brothers for life.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for everything you're doing. Thank you for your friendship.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for you caring to.

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Speaker 4: Talk to me man, and we care.

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Speaker 3: We do care.

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Speaker 4: Sty brothers for life.

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Speaker 1: Baby, all good brother.

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Speaker 3: There he goes everyone ESPN and scapes Mark Spears joining

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Speaker 3: Haynesenstein here on this league uncut. We will be back

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Speaker 3: soon and I promise next time we bring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and that'll do it for us.

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Speaker 2: See you next time.

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Speaker 4: This League.

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Speaker 2: Uncutta is an iHeartRadio production.

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Speaker 3: Suck a Locket.

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Speaker 2: Chris Haynes and Mark Stein

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