Speaker 1: Gamsay Media Large.
Speaker 2: Rory.
Speaker 3: We have arrived at episode six, that's right.
Speaker 4: What happened last week, well, last week we learned that
Speaker 4: David is now fully aware that there's a hit man
Speaker 4: who wants to kill him, and he has learned that
Speaker 4: that hit man is the very person who has been
Speaker 4: bringing him minimal amounts of cash that he's been asking for.
Speaker 4: And he learned about this hit man through a subcontracted
Speaker 4: hit man who merely wanted to own his football jersey,
Speaker 4: and that's why he found all of this out, and
Speaker 4: that's why Kelly was informed of it. It's honestly, it's
Speaker 4: it's sort of like the Domino, the first Domino tipping
Speaker 4: and all of it going. But we also learned last
Speaker 4: week that David Gann is alive by two things, One
Speaker 4: because that football jersey he was wearing and Robert the
Speaker 4: subcontracted assassin wanting it. And two the fact that the FBI,
Speaker 4: doing their job correctly decided to stop a hit man
Speaker 4: from getting onto a plane and decided to drop the
Speaker 4: hammer on the entire crew at the moment that was
Speaker 4: going to happen. So that's why they began still alive,
Speaker 4: and that's why we're able to follow him through the
Speaker 4: story of episode six.
Speaker 5: Folks, you literally couldn't make this up. That's why it's
Speaker 5: a true story. Crimeliss Hillbilly Heist, Episode six.
Speaker 6: It's sometime before dawn on March second, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 6: at the FBI Field office in Charlotte, North Carolina. John
Speaker 6: Widra and more than a dozen other agents prepare to
Speaker 6: raid the velvet elvis in Pat's Blue Ribbon Field mansion
Speaker 6: of Steve and Michelle Chambers and bring them into custody.
Speaker 7: When we go in, we don't fight fair. If there's
Speaker 7: two people in there, there's twenty agents. If there's one,
Speaker 7: there's ten.
Speaker 6: The agents strap on bulletproof vests and check their weapons.
Speaker 6: The agents are prepared for a fight.
Speaker 7: We knew Steve carried a gun everywhere. Keep in mind
Speaker 7: North Carolina is one of those states where it's open carry.
Speaker 6: John Widra lives for moments like this. It's why he
Speaker 6: left the cozy comfort of an accounting job or the
Speaker 6: door bust an ass kicking world of the FBI.
Speaker 8: There's lots of fun.
Speaker 7: You get up at four in the morning, you stage
Speaker 7: for an hour at five, you wait for go time
Speaker 7: at six, Like why do we have to get up?
Speaker 8: You're tired, I'm tired.
Speaker 7: The bad guy's tired, right, you're not necessarily thinking clearly.
Speaker 7: Towards the end of my career, I was like, we're
Speaker 7: going to do this at ten am. They used to
Speaker 7: call it wide research time because I was like, I'm
Speaker 7: not getting up at that time. I was like, we'll
Speaker 7: hit it at ten. You know, as soon as we're done,
Speaker 7: we'll have lunch, we'll go write it up and call
Speaker 7: it a day.
Speaker 6: But justice must be served.
Speaker 7: Just like what you would see in television, there's just
Speaker 7: a stream of black SUVs headed towards one house.
Speaker 6: An FBI raid inside the exclusive gates of Cramerton. The
Speaker 6: neighbors will be scandalized.
Speaker 9: Sweet Jesus, oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: While Wydra and his team go to face off with
Speaker 6: Stephen Michelle, other agents are on their way to the
Speaker 6: homes of Eric Payne in, Kelly Campbell, and still others
Speaker 6: are headed to a Hampton end where Mike McKinney is
Speaker 6: sleeping off a six pack. As for David and Mexico.
Speaker 2: You know those guys wanted to kill me.
Speaker 6: Right, everyone knew but you. But we'll get to David soon.
Speaker 8: Enough.
Speaker 6: If everything goes well for the FBI today, they'll have
Speaker 6: all the suspects rounded up and thrown into the holding
Speaker 6: pen at the county courthouse by lunch, a holding pen
Speaker 6: where the highst crew will get to have a nice
Speaker 6: roundtable conversation about where they went wrong and who's going
Speaker 6: to snitch on who first. From SmartLess media, campsite media,
Speaker 6: and big money players. In partnership with iHeart Podcasts, I'm
Speaker 6: Johnny Knoxville and you're listening to Crime List Hillbilly Heist.
Speaker 6: This is our sixth episode, Rude Awakening. The line of
Speaker 6: black SUVs is joined by cars from the local police
Speaker 6: department as the convoy cruises through the quiet streets of Cramerton.
Speaker 6: The convoy pulls onto the Chamber Street at six am
Speaker 6: and the cars part just out of sight from the
Speaker 6: front door. It's well before sunrise. The neighborhood is dead.
Speaker 6: Calm agents sneak into position in the chambers yard, keeping
Speaker 6: away from the windows. John Wydra and the other FBI
Speaker 6: agents hide near the front door. The plan is to
Speaker 6: have the local cops set the trap.
Speaker 8: And the roofs to get in the house. Because we
Speaker 8: knew they were armed.
Speaker 6: They know just how to get Steve out of the
Speaker 6: house by threatening the crown jewel of his criminal empire,
Speaker 6: his Strip Mall furniture store. There's been a break in
Speaker 6: as your furniture store. The police lie.
Speaker 7: Steve opens the door and we yank him out and
Speaker 7: throw him on the ground.
Speaker 6: As the agents cuff Steve and cover him with their pistols,
Speaker 6: Wydra and others make the way into the house.
Speaker 2: And we got her.
Speaker 7: Keep in mind, we're looking for Michelle and she's just
Speaker 7: as dangerous. Make no mistake, but there are two kids
Speaker 7: in the house. So now you've got ten agents, all
Speaker 7: with guns. We know that Michelle and Steve have guns,
Speaker 7: and we got two little kids in the house.
Speaker 6: The agents have studied the layout of the house, so.
Speaker 7: We go through the door and there's an immediate staircase,
Speaker 7: like a kind of a spiral staircase up the side
Speaker 7: of a wall like you would see in a movie
Speaker 7: like of a mansion. And the kids were upstairs in
Speaker 7: a bedroom up there, and Michelle was in the master
Speaker 7: bedroom downstairs past the staircase and to the right.
Speaker 6: They also know there's a dog somewhere, a Bassett Hound
Speaker 6: named Dallas. But so far he hasn't been an issue,
Speaker 6: probably because the agents aren't squirrels. Wydra moves through the
Speaker 6: house to the master bedroom and burst through the door.
Speaker 8: She's getting out of bed and she's naked.
Speaker 6: Not completely naked. She's wearing her forty three thousand dollars
Speaker 6: diamond ring. You could see that thing from space. Michelle
Speaker 6: reaches for the sheet, but the agents shout at her
Speaker 6: to keep her hands up.
Speaker 7: When you're doing an arrest, you're not thinking about anything
Speaker 7: other than something moving and what's in their hands. That's it.
Speaker 7: That's all you're focused on when you're going through the door.
Speaker 7: If she reaches for clothing, there could be a gun there.
Speaker 7: We want her away from everything, like, let me see
Speaker 7: your hands. There's clearly nothing that she's hiding, and we
Speaker 7: pull her like out and wait for a female agent
Speaker 7: to come in to get her dressed.
Speaker 6: Actually, there was something she was hiding.
Speaker 7: As soon as I lift up the pillow, there's a
Speaker 7: fully loaded nine millimeters semi automatic under her pillow.
Speaker 6: And other things she was not hiding.
Speaker 8: I bet Michelle was mortified. No, she didn't act it,
Speaker 8: she didn't.
Speaker 2: Care at all.
Speaker 6: A female agent helps Michelle get dressed, keeping a close
Speaker 6: eye on her. The sun still isn't up and they're
Speaker 6: almost done at Cosa Chambers, but the kids are still
Speaker 6: in the house.
Speaker 8: Told Michelle, call your parents and come pick up the kids.
Speaker 8: You're not going to be home tonight.
Speaker 6: It's only later that the agents realize a key piece
Speaker 6: of evidence is missing. Sometime between Michelle being completely naked,
Speaker 6: her getting dressed in full view of the female agent,
Speaker 6: and her going to pack the bag for her kids,
Speaker 6: the forty three thousand dollars ring disappeared.
Speaker 8: Michelle had to hide the ring and she was naked.
Speaker 8: So where did she hide it?
Speaker 6: Well? I can think of two places. The FBI had
Speaker 6: barged into the neighborhood without a single heads up to
Speaker 6: our two Kathys, that is, Mayor Kathy with the sea
Speaker 6: and her best friend Kathy with a K. Kathy with
Speaker 6: a K broke the news and.
Speaker 10: I call Kathy, who was the mayor and my best
Speaker 10: friend that early and I said, Katy, there are FBI
Speaker 10: agents right outside my window. I said, wouldn't it be
Speaker 10: weird if it was the heis? And She's like, I
Speaker 10: don't know, but I'll let you know.
Speaker 9: I said, I'll call you right back, and I dialed
Speaker 9: the chief of police.
Speaker 6: The chief of police for Cramerton is Kathy with the
Speaker 6: CEA's future husband, David.
Speaker 9: Then I said, Chief Young, there is FBI and he said, yes, ma'am,
Speaker 9: I know. And I said, don't you think I should
Speaker 9: have known? And he said, no, ma'am, you're just the mayor.
Speaker 2: Ouch.
Speaker 6: But believe it or not, that pickup line worked. They
Speaker 6: eventually got married and are still living happily ever after.
Speaker 6: Despite this shot to her ego, Kathy with the Sea
Speaker 6: had the hot and was ready to spill it. She
Speaker 6: now knew why the FBI.
Speaker 10: Was there, and she called me back and it was
Speaker 10: the heist and we were freaking out.
Speaker 6: But delivering the goods to Kathy with a k could
Speaker 6: only be so much of a bomb. Mayor Kathy realized
Speaker 6: she wasn't exactly a political power broker.
Speaker 9: It's very much just a small town. Everybody has your
Speaker 9: number and they call you because their next door neighbor
Speaker 9: isn't scooping their dogs poop out of the yard.
Speaker 6: If that's the worst problem in your town, your community
Speaker 6: is doing a oka. But now Mayor Kathy has legit
Speaker 6: problems on her hands, so she patiently awaited word of
Speaker 6: her official duties.
Speaker 9: I was so excited when the FBI finally reached out
Speaker 9: to me because I felt like, is the mayor, I
Speaker 9: should be doing something. I felt like there was something,
Speaker 9: but I didn't know what it was. So the call
Speaker 9: let me know that I was needed. So I had
Speaker 9: on my red blazer with the shoulder pads and my
Speaker 9: high heel shoes and I was going to go to
Speaker 9: be a mayor.
Speaker 6: She expectantly marched past all of the black SUVs and
Speaker 6: ride up the Chambers driveway.
Speaker 9: And as I arrived, the agent, the lead agent, came
Speaker 9: out and introduced himself and said, you know, thank you
Speaker 9: so much for coming out.
Speaker 6: To help us here. It is the moment that will
Speaker 6: make her political career.
Speaker 9: The family has a facet hound and the FBI doesn't
Speaker 9: handle pets, and there's no one to come and get it,
Speaker 9: so could you take the dog? So he's okay.
Speaker 6: Kathy with the Sea dutifully accepts Dallas the dog, but
Speaker 6: she can't get him to walk down the driveway, so
Speaker 6: in her red blazer and high heels, she gallantly scoops
Speaker 6: up the pooch and carries him away.
Speaker 9: I was pregnant at the time. On top of that,
Speaker 9: so it was definitely a look.
Speaker 6: She takes the dog back to town Hall to her
Speaker 6: office that just prudently got new carpet.
Speaker 9: And I put him down on the carpet and I
Speaker 9: sat behind my desk and he started walking in circles
Speaker 9: and peeing.
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, the FBI set up money county machines inside the
Speaker 6: Chamber's house in full view of the front window.
Speaker 9: All the kids could see what was happening. They let
Speaker 9: Kathy's boys come and sit on the bank of the
Speaker 9: property and that went on all day long. They were
Speaker 9: literally just dumping big bundles of money just flying through
Speaker 9: this machine, and you just don't realize how much actual
Speaker 9: physical money that is.
Speaker 6: By this point, the national media had caught window. The
Speaker 6: arrests Kathy with a case, sets the scene, and after that.
Speaker 10: All hell breats outside the the news crews, the big
Speaker 10: booms with the cameras up high, parked all in front
Speaker 10: of my house, and the twenty twenty news crew was there.
Speaker 6: It was just wild, how wild.
Speaker 10: I fed them sandwiches and I had made a homemade
Speaker 10: banana pudding, and you know, they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 10: you know, we wish all of our cases were like this,
Speaker 10: you know, because I had them in my kitchen, sitting
Speaker 10: at my big Island. Yeah, they were all really nice.
Speaker 6: Even though Kathy with the Sea was forgiving Dallas for
Speaker 6: his pee, it was still turning out to be a
Speaker 6: rough day for bad boys all over North Carolina. Across
Speaker 6: town still early in the morning, the FBI knocked on
Speaker 6: the door of Big Eric's mobile home. Big Eric aka
Speaker 6: Eric Payne was there the night of the heist. He
Speaker 6: was among Steve's crew that lost the keys to the
Speaker 6: Lumas van in the parking lot. He later went on
Speaker 6: to become one of the highest's biggest spenders, only behind
Speaker 6: Stephen Michelle. He purchased a new truck, a new Harley,
Speaker 6: and bought boob jobs for his wife and his sister.
Speaker 6: Here's on Widdraw on how it all shook out.
Speaker 7: He woke up, you know, and answered the door in
Speaker 7: his boxers and his chunk was kind of hanging out
Speaker 7: his boxers. The agents she said to him, She's like,
Speaker 7: you're under rest and put that away.
Speaker 6: Maybe we should have called him Little Eric. So Little Eric,
Speaker 6: Steve and Michelle are all cuffed and in the back
Speaker 6: of separate SUVs on their way to the holding pen
Speaker 6: at the courthouse. Nearly all the key players are now
Speaker 6: in custody, but down in Mexico, David Gant is nowhere
Speaker 6: in sight. Okay, David wasn't in sight because unbeknounced to
Speaker 6: the crew in North Carolina. The end of his life
Speaker 6: on the Lamb came to a screeching halt one day
Speaker 6: prior to the FBI's busted up North. These days, Pliadel
Speaker 6: Carmen has blossomed into a popular tourist destination, but in
Speaker 6: the late nineties it was still closer to a sleepy
Speaker 6: fishing village, not exactly the place for a guy like
Speaker 6: David Gant to lie low.
Speaker 1: If you're a six foot tall, redheaded dude in a
Speaker 1: Mexican village, you stand out.
Speaker 6: According to David, though, this weakness became a strength because
Speaker 6: he could easily monitor the slow trickle of gringoes in
Speaker 6: and out of town. David was keeping an eye out
Speaker 6: for Bruno or someone else connected to Steve who might
Speaker 6: be coming to kill him, but at this point it
Speaker 6: wasn't Bruno David needed to be looking out for.
Speaker 11: When the FBI learned that there was a murder plot
Speaker 11: that seemed to be in very much in the works.
Speaker 11: They sent FBI agent Mark Rozzi down to Plaide del
Speaker 11: Carmen and Cozimel, where they thought David was based on
Speaker 11: their tracking phone calls.
Speaker 6: Special Agent Rosie wasn't allowed to carry a gun in Mexico,
Speaker 6: but he teamed up with several members of inter Pole,
Speaker 6: the international police organization that helps law enforcement agencies coordinate
Speaker 6: with each other, but they weren't that much help. The
Speaker 6: phone calls had traced David to the hotel La Tortuga,
Speaker 6: a modest place with sealing fans instead of air conditioning.
Speaker 11: For someone who had stolen seventeen million dollars then was
Speaker 11: expecting to live the high life. This is definitely a sign.
Speaker 11: As charming as the place was, this is definitely a
Speaker 11: sign that things are not going according to plant.
Speaker 6: The inter Poll officers were tasked with keeping an eye
Speaker 6: on David during the rare times that he stops stress
Speaker 6: eating M and m's and left his hotel room.
Speaker 11: They had tracked David for a while and then the
Speaker 11: Interpol folks lost.
Speaker 6: Him, but David says he managed to keep an eye
Speaker 6: on them.
Speaker 1: All government agencies seem to use the same barber because
Speaker 1: they all wear in the same shirt, they got same haircuts,
Speaker 1: saying if they have a mustache, it's to the same standard.
Speaker 2: And I really thought it was odd.
Speaker 1: Because there's no tourist bote in and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: instead of being one GREENO, there's three.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 6: But David decides there's not a whole lot he can
Speaker 6: do about it, and anyway, he has to do his laundry,
Speaker 6: so he heads out with the bag of dirty clothes.
Speaker 1: I know these guys are following me. I've seen them
Speaker 1: all through the town. I make the turn going to
Speaker 1: the hotel Lotuga and this car pulls up.
Speaker 6: Suddenly he gets tapped on the shoulder. One of the
Speaker 6: guys with the government issue mustache asks him if he's
Speaker 6: David Gant.
Speaker 1: I give him a really good cover story that I'm
Speaker 1: Mike McKinny, I'm excellon, I'm on vacation.
Speaker 6: And then the agent says, you're not really Mike mckinn
Speaker 6: are you, mister Gant. David looks back to see the
Speaker 6: very American and very FBI looking agent Rozzie, standing just
Speaker 6: behind the inner poll officers. He's busted, and oddly enough, relieved.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to see you guys.
Speaker 6: Then David tells Rozzi, you.
Speaker 1: Know those guys wanting to kill me, right? He said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know all about We've already we've already arrested them.
Speaker 6: Actually, if the FBI said this, it wasn't true, but
Speaker 6: they were working on it.
Speaker 2: I have conversation.
Speaker 1: And they'd say, we'll see you on the plane tomorrow.
Speaker 11: I interviewed Mark Rozzi, the FBI agent who arrested Ghent,
Speaker 11: and he told me that on the plane, on the
Speaker 11: US Airways flight from Mexico back to Charlotte, he was
Speaker 11: starting to interview Ghent, and at one point he asked
Speaker 11: them what was going on between you and Kelly Campbell.
Speaker 11: He asked David this because they had heard from people
Speaker 11: that they were dating, and they had heard on the
Speaker 11: phone that David would say I love you and she
Speaker 11: would kind of not really, you know, reply in the
Speaker 11: same way.
Speaker 6: Here's David Gant, master criminal, author of what at the
Speaker 6: time was the second largest cash heist in American history.
Speaker 6: He's an FBI custody after almost six months on the run,
Speaker 6: and all the FBI wants to ask him about is
Speaker 6: his love life. David's a bit offended. He tries to
Speaker 6: put them off.
Speaker 1: The kiss is not nearly as dramatic as people have
Speaker 1: made it out to be. I mean, it wasn't to
Speaker 1: be honest, it wasn't worth the money it cost me.
Speaker 6: But the FBI won't let it go, and.
Speaker 8: They were very curious.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 11: They also knew that she was kind of involved in
Speaker 11: murder plot to some degree and whatnot. They knew a
Speaker 11: lot at this point, so they asked him what was
Speaker 11: going on between the two of you, and David says,
Speaker 11: I only kissed her one time. One time, He says,
Speaker 11: pretty expensive kiss, wasn't.
Speaker 1: It to the tune about five mill at least? Probably
Speaker 1: about Hershey's planning get all the kisses you ever wanted.
Speaker 6: That same day that David's being flown back to North
Speaker 6: Carolina and FBI custody. Mike McKenny is sound asleep at
Speaker 6: a Hampton end in Gastonia. He stayed up late the
Speaker 6: night before, polishing off a six pack, reading a John
Speaker 6: Bishop novel, and fighting off paranoid thoughts.
Speaker 13: You kind of get an ominous feeling when something's about
Speaker 13: to go down.
Speaker 6: Mike opens his eyes and reaches for the phone on
Speaker 6: the bedside table.
Speaker 13: I'd left to wake up, called the desk so I
Speaker 13: could get up and go to the airport.
Speaker 6: But when he picks up the phone, a stern voice asks,
Speaker 6: this is Mike McKenny. He is.
Speaker 14: FBI open the door?
Speaker 4: What this the NBI open the door?
Speaker 6: Mike scrambles out of bed in his boxers.
Speaker 13: No sooner, just barely turning knob. They were coming in
Speaker 13: from the jointed suite and with your front door.
Speaker 6: The Hampton End room is now packed with FBI agents.
Speaker 14: Of course, the first thing they say is hands up.
Speaker 14: Put them where I can see him, get up against
Speaker 14: the wall.
Speaker 13: And he turned around and asked him, well, which one
Speaker 13: do you want?
Speaker 14: You want the hands up or you want me on
Speaker 14: the wall.
Speaker 6: These commands seem pretty compatible to me. But look, to
Speaker 6: be fair, it's really early in the morning.
Speaker 13: That's why law enforcement always prefers pre dawn raids. So
Speaker 13: you're not fully aware.
Speaker 6: John Whydra is gonna be pissed when he hears you
Speaker 6: say that. Meanwhile, the agents start tearing apart the room.
Speaker 13: Ask him where the money is. Where the money is?
Speaker 13: I was like, I don't have it. There's like a
Speaker 13: million and a half missing. They automatically assumed I had it,
Speaker 13: but I actually got arrested. I had like fifty five
Speaker 13: dollars on me, so kind of disappointed them.
Speaker 14: That day.
Speaker 12: I think I'd been out partying the night before, been
Speaker 12: four wheeling in the truck, and so when I got home,
Speaker 12: I just, you know, stripped down to my underwear and
Speaker 12: went to bed. And then the phone rings first thing
Speaker 12: in the morning, and I answered the phone, and they said,
Speaker 12: this is the FBI. We're outside. Don't hang up the phone.
Speaker 12: Coming unlocked the door. If you don't open it, we're
Speaker 12: gonna knock it down. And I was like, well, okay.
Speaker 6: Kelly jumps out of bed and looks out the blinds.
Speaker 6: They've sent an army after her. Police an FBI are
Speaker 6: all over the yard.
Speaker 12: So I'm freaked out. So I didn't put my robe on.
Speaker 12: I just grabbed it and put it up like this.
Speaker 6: For visual reference, she's holding her hand up over her
Speaker 6: chest in my core as she recalls her rude awakening.
Speaker 6: She hurries to the door.
Speaker 12: And of course, soon as I get to the door
Speaker 12: and unlock it and start to open it, they just
Speaker 12: hit it and knock it open. And because I'm holding
Speaker 12: the bathroom, but one of the FBI agents just jerks
Speaker 12: it down like that. So I'm standing there nothing but
Speaker 12: my underwear, which I hate because you know, it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 6: The FBI agent, who looks to be in charge, tells
Speaker 6: Kelly she's being arrested and asks her if she knows why.
Speaker 6: She says, it's probably for the Loomis money. Says, that's
Speaker 6: the only thing the FBI has ever talked to me about.
Speaker 6: A female agent searches her and her bathroom, and then
Speaker 6: Kelly turns to the head guide and I.
Speaker 12: Said, can I at least pick up my robe? He said, yeah,
Speaker 12: go ahead and pick up your robe.
Speaker 6: The FBI had a female agent help Kelly.
Speaker 12: He says, she'll take you back there to your bedroom.
Speaker 12: She'll get you clothes that you want to put on.
Speaker 6: But when Kelly goes back to the bedroom.
Speaker 12: Sit down on a bed and look over on the
Speaker 12: night stand and my pistols laying there, I'm like my
Speaker 12: pistols laying over here where.
Speaker 6: The agent starts to help Kelly get dressed, but she
Speaker 6: is left deeply underwhelmed by the agent's bedside manner.
Speaker 12: Whoever that female agent was, she was a really snotty bitch.
Speaker 12: So and she just kept looking down her nose at men.
Speaker 12: You could tell by the look on her face. And
Speaker 12: then when I she'd have to pick out with clothes
Speaker 12: or whatever, she'd just like throw them to me. And
Speaker 12: I really hated her attitude.
Speaker 14: The cuffy and stuff. You take you down to the
Speaker 14: Fed building and we drove in.
Speaker 13: There were all kinds of reporters, everything lined up along
Speaker 13: the building, so you basically walked in the gauntlet of
Speaker 13: reporters and cameras. I basically just kind of put my
Speaker 13: face down trying to let them get as many pictures,
Speaker 13: and it's kind of hard to hide when you're a
Speaker 13: foot taller than everybody else.
Speaker 6: After his first taste of infamy with reporters snapping pictures
Speaker 6: and shouting questions outside the building, Mike McKinney walked through
Speaker 6: the doors of the Federal Courthouse.
Speaker 7: This western district in North Carolina and Charlotte. It was
Speaker 7: never built for a large group of people. You could
Speaker 7: film an old style nineteen twenties nineteen thirties type of
Speaker 7: al Capone type movie there. There's only two cells back there,
Speaker 7: so they're all going to have to sit together.
Speaker 6: They just walked Mike to the holding cell and locked
Speaker 6: the door behind them. When he looks around, he sees
Speaker 6: some familiar faces.
Speaker 13: I recognize Kelly, Michelle, Steve Pain, Pain is Eric Pain.
Speaker 13: All the guys were in basically a dog kennel because
Speaker 13: the front side.
Speaker 4: Was all.
Speaker 13: This fence, like a chain link fence type of cage deal.
Speaker 13: And then there was a dividing wall on the other
Speaker 13: side of the walls where they had the women.
Speaker 6: But even though they're divided up, everyone can hear each
Speaker 6: other and things are getting ugly.
Speaker 13: All these people were bickering back and forth about well, yeah,
Speaker 13: you're stupid, you bought that house, You're stupid, you bought
Speaker 13: that vehicle, blah blah blah. And I didn't have a
Speaker 13: dog in that fight at all, so it's basically just
Speaker 13: letting him bicker.
Speaker 6: Steve has some theories about who's to blame for them
Speaker 6: all getting pinched.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he accused me, accused everybody else.
Speaker 13: Steve accused us all wearing war type when he was
Speaker 13: the one being wired or tapped.
Speaker 6: Other than David, who's brought in separately. They're all stuck
Speaker 6: there together, so there will be plenty of time to
Speaker 6: broke her peace on all these matters and make a
Speaker 6: plan to evade the Feds.
Speaker 11: One of the interesting things about interviewing so many people
Speaker 11: in this case is that they all seem to think
Speaker 11: that it was the fault of everyone else that this
Speaker 11: went so badly.
Speaker 6: Stay silent requires complete trust among compatriots. All it takes
Speaker 6: is one singing canary to throw them all in jail
Speaker 6: for good. But who will it be that Hoodwink and
Speaker 6: Kelly can't remember shit.
Speaker 12: Campbell crs can't remember shit?
Speaker 6: Or Senior Frog's number one fan, David Gant.
Speaker 2: Pepto Bismo Grande.
Speaker 6: Or that subcontract and half assed assassin to Mike McKinney.
Speaker 14: No, I was never models and bottles.
Speaker 13: I was always betchit crazy barflies and cheap beer.
Speaker 6: Or some other nut. Entirely find out next time on Crimeless,
Speaker 6: he'll billy heist.
Speaker 4: So Rora.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a warning to people who sleep
Speaker 5: naked that if the FBI ever raised.
Speaker 3: Her say the same thing.
Speaker 4: With a three piece suit.
Speaker 2: On always.
Speaker 5: Well, if you've been up to no good, yeah, beware
Speaker 5: sleeping in the nude.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: If you're even slightly doing something illegal, that the FBI
Speaker 4: might be monitoring you go ahead and go to bed
Speaker 4: with a full outfit on.
Speaker 3: Although I got a hand in some Michelle not even face.
Speaker 3: She just stood up in all her glory.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Michelle's had the boob job and is
Speaker 4: you know, I'm pretty sure she was like, hey, look
Speaker 4: an opportunity to really show off that doctor's incredible work
Speaker 4: and get some second opinions on what people think of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love that she very confidently stood there naked.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Also, I love finding out that they do this so
Speaker 4: early in the morning, which all makes perfect sense that
Speaker 4: the FBI would bust you so early when you can't
Speaker 4: possibly kind of put two and two together and think
Speaker 4: very quickly. And also you are in a vulnerable state
Speaker 4: of sleep and whatever it is you sleep in. I
Speaker 4: like that everyone got busted in their house, and that
Speaker 4: Mike McKinney was just at a Hampton end. That's uh,
Speaker 4: that's just that's actually the saddest part of the whole
Speaker 4: thing for me.
Speaker 3: I know, he couldn't at least afford a Radison, just
Speaker 3: a radison.
Speaker 4: Pretty interesting to learn about the mayor. The mayor seems
Speaker 4: just a little too uh, just a little I don't
Speaker 4: know that Kathy with the CEA understands what a mayor
Speaker 4: actually does, because I think she's more of a spectator. Also,
Speaker 4: I like that she thought the FBI would inform her
Speaker 4: of them coming in too, Like you have to let
Speaker 4: the mayor, the mayor of a town know just because
Speaker 4: that's the person who cuts ribbon at grand openings of
Speaker 4: things that for some reason, they would be privy to
Speaker 4: FBI knowledge.
Speaker 3: Rory, she's the chief executive of that town. It's true,
Speaker 3: it's true.
Speaker 5: So how much time would you give these guys who
Speaker 5: do you think deserves the most? Because I feel like
Speaker 5: that's where we're headed. They're pretty much dead to write
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 4: I got to say, the sentencing that we're going to
Speaker 4: get into soon here is is shocking. Would I would
Speaker 4: easily have put Steve way up there and David Gant
Speaker 4: way up there? Even though I like David a lot,
Speaker 4: he did still do it. He did steal steal seventeen
Speaker 4: million dollars. Despite the fact that he's very likable and
Speaker 4: you can tell that he doesn't seem to be a
Speaker 4: like an evil person. Steve does seem to be like
Speaker 4: an evil person. He does seem to be someone who's
Speaker 4: greedy and wants the money and then also is plotting
Speaker 4: to try to kill people. It doesn't seem like anyone
Speaker 4: else re It even seems like the hitman Mike McKinney
Speaker 4: didn't even take that seriously in terms of actually killing somebody.
Speaker 3: No, he went to Cancun and wanted to party exactly.
Speaker 4: He went to those foam parties. And you know, so
Speaker 4: I gotta say, I gotta I would put Steve at
Speaker 4: the absolute highest and then honestly second just Michelle because
Speaker 4: it angers me how aloof she was about depositing that money.
Speaker 3: And poor David, he cannot deny that he's on videotape.
Speaker 3: He's on videotape, no way around.
Speaker 8: It left the country.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, stay tuned next week because I feel
Speaker 5: we are going to find out the fate of our
Speaker 5: heroes in episode seven of crime Less Hill Billy Heist.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next week.
Speaker 9: So yeah.
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