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Speaker 1: been warned the doctor thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I necessarily see myself in a
Speaker 2: relationship with the doctor, because I feel like our lives
Speaker 2: would be so different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep come home from saving someone's life and maybe
Speaker 3: they're doing a TikTok or.
Speaker 2: My dad and I'm like, babe, what do you think
Speaker 2: about this joke I've written about analding me. I'm a savage.
Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating?
Speaker 2: Meeting the same people from the same apps in the
Speaker 2: same bar you've only chosen because it's close to your
Speaker 2: house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's
Speaker 2: time to change the narrative on how we find love.
Speaker 2: It's time to start looking for love in all the
Speaker 2: wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only
Speaker 2: picking people who are the total opposite of my type.
Speaker 2: And after twenty eight of these dates in two months,
Speaker 2: will I find that special someone or Well, this experiment
Speaker 2: proved that I should just give up on dating altogether.
Speaker 1: It's time to find out.
Speaker 2: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. Okay,
Speaker 2: so ross, this date was the first time ever in
Speaker 2: my life that I've been on a date that did
Speaker 2: not have alcohol involved.
Speaker 1: Is that really crazy with me? To admit?
Speaker 3: No, I think maybe it'll be crazy for some people.
Speaker 3: But even like, I'm not a big drinker, and if
Speaker 3: I was going a first stade, I would feel like
Speaker 3: I would need a drink to settle my nerves.
Speaker 2: You do, because I think, how does one without alcohol
Speaker 2: on a date get to the point where they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna kiss you.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine ever doing that sober for the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be people listening who are like they can fathom.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, of course I'd go on a date
Speaker 3: and I'll have a drink. But everyone's different, and I
Speaker 3: would definitely be on the same page as he was
Speaker 3: in like going for a date to don't call sober,
Speaker 3: I would be like, yeah, I think I need to
Speaker 3: definitely have like a can of Monster or.
Speaker 1: Something loads of cbdal CB deal.
Speaker 3: Actually, Monster would be the worst thing because I'd probably
Speaker 3: tell them my life story. Ye.
Speaker 1: That would make you too like hyper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably give you the ships as well, which
Speaker 3: wouldn't be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So his name is Aaron and We got set up
Speaker 2: by a mutual friend and we went to meet in
Speaker 2: a cafe in the middle of the day. It was
Speaker 2: a lunchtime date because he is a doctor, which is
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, especially I'm like such a hypochondriac. I
Speaker 3: think that would be like a dream same.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like a doctor's worse nightmare. Like, once
Speaker 2: I got the phone number of a doctor, it's game
Speaker 2: over because I just literally call them all the time.
Speaker 2: But actually that's that's what I actually ended up doing
Speaker 2: for sort of.
Speaker 3: The first half of the day was totally great.
Speaker 1: All my ailments, I know, talk about what that's good
Speaker 1: that you know your name. This is Eddie, my dog.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I do love Eddie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great, She's very chill. She just goes to sleep.
Speaker 4: So how do you feel like I spent more attention
Speaker 4: on Eddie than you.
Speaker 2: No, I actually would enjoy that because I recently went
Speaker 2: on a date when I had her and the guy
Speaker 2: just didn't acknowledge her. It was really weird, like she
Speaker 2: was there and he just didn't look at her at all.
Speaker 1: That's such a red flag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to have the opposite red flag.
Speaker 2: Much prefer that she's so hard not to look at.
Speaker 2: What kind of doctor are you?
Speaker 4: I'm a GP.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a hypochondriac. I've got so.
Speaker 4: Everyone thinks I got something seriously wrong with her. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're twenty.
Speaker 1: Four, in good health.
Speaker 4: You're in better shape than me. Actually, like why why
Speaker 4: why are you here wasting your time in my time?
Speaker 3: I see there's a running team here where you slightly
Speaker 3: bully them a little bit. You're like, oh, that's great.
Speaker 3: You know your name.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Grace, that's what I do. Like it's I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm really means men.
Speaker 3: When we get to the twenty eight date, we're going
Speaker 3: to try break you down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know where it comes from.
Speaker 2: It's like it's that clussic, you know, like the girl
Speaker 2: in like Rugrats or something. She just thinks that like
Speaker 2: the way that boys will like us if she just
Speaker 2: pushes them over, like beats them up. That's why I
Speaker 2: was like a primary school.
Speaker 3: I picture you going into a first date not being
Speaker 3: nervous at all and taking like I suppose taking the
Speaker 3: ball by the horns and actually directing the date. But like,
Speaker 3: am I wrong? And you nervous going into dates.
Speaker 1: It really depends. It depends on my mood.
Speaker 2: It depends on who like the vibes that the person
Speaker 2: has given me before. So like, if if I feel
Speaker 2: like we're going to have things in common, they're not really.
Speaker 2: But if I feel like it's a bit random or
Speaker 2: I'm somewhere a bit out of like my comfort zone,
Speaker 2: like not in Northwest London, then yeah I am nervous.
Speaker 2: But like if it's like somewhere familiar and like, I mean,
Speaker 2: the best first date is like you know, when you
Speaker 2: like either have a mutual friend with them or there's
Speaker 2: something in common. I don't really get that nervous before dates.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I've been on so many first
Speaker 2: dates now that I've just like lost the like energy
Speaker 2: to be that nervous before. I know, no, little that
Speaker 2: sound you just made is not really tragic, you know
Speaker 2: what though?
Speaker 3: Do you know, like say if you walked in and
Speaker 3: someone was really really like you were so attracted.
Speaker 2: Them, then they get nervous under yeah, yeah, one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, And then I do get nervous, and
Speaker 2: like you know, they're there are situations where like people
Speaker 2: do make me nervous, But on like a first date.
Speaker 2: Before i've met someone, I'm like, chances are you're not
Speaker 2: gonna impress me that much, so I'm not that nervous.
Speaker 2: And then maybe I get there and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is really exciting, and then I'd start to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I wish i'd like warn an ice are out there.
Speaker 3: Can I just say if I was going on a
Speaker 3: date with you, I'd be nervous. I would be so nervous, Like, really,
Speaker 3: I obviously know you. I've listened to your podcast, I've
Speaker 3: read your book, so I feel like I would come
Speaker 3: in being very very nervous because you are You come
Speaker 3: across like a really really strong woman. You are a
Speaker 3: really strong woman, and you're funny. You're everything I think
Speaker 3: as a guy coming into the date, they're probably shitting it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes me so happy, just the idea that
Speaker 2: I make me nervous. The doctor thing, I'm like, amazing,
Speaker 2: you're a doctor. But also I'm not sure if I
Speaker 2: necessarily see myself like in a relationship with the doctor,
Speaker 2: because I feel like our lives would be so different
Speaker 2: and the way that like what we do as a
Speaker 2: job would be really different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was with the doctor, I'd be like, God,
Speaker 2: you must think my life is ridiculous, Like you must
Speaker 2: think that I'm like a ridiculous person and nothing in
Speaker 2: my life is real, and like that would make me
Speaker 2: really self conscious that like I'm just a frivolous, little,
Speaker 2: silly little girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd come home from saving someone's life and maybe
Speaker 3: they're doing a TikTok of my dogs, and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: well shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I'm like, babe, do you what do
Speaker 2: you think about this joke I've written about anal?
Speaker 1: It was actually really fun day.
Speaker 2: The chat was really good because he was just very
Speaker 2: comfortable and so it was like good flowing conversation.
Speaker 3: And I have a question, what is the age difference?
Speaker 3: I know he's younger, but what's the year.
Speaker 1: I think he was two years younger than me.
Speaker 3: I think the end thing like when you're above twenty five,
Speaker 3: like two just that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he told me that he loves stating older women. Oh.
Speaker 4: If I look back at my dating history, I'd say
Speaker 4: most of the girls I've ended up with have been
Speaker 4: older than me. Really, yeah, I think maybe by how
Speaker 4: many is the oldest? Age difference is like three or
Speaker 4: four years. I thought I would have been twenty three
Speaker 4: twenty four, as I was twenty eight. For me, relationships
Speaker 4: are all about communication anyway, So as long as both
Speaker 4: people communication with each other, it shouldn't really be a problem.
Speaker 4: How do you twenty five?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so young.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're so young.
Speaker 1: My god, it's so young. I wish I was twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think my ex? When I got
Speaker 2: with him, I was twenty three and he was twenty eight.
Speaker 2: And I am a bit sexist in the sense that
Speaker 2: I think it's a bit more normal when the man
Speaker 2: is older.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I think when he's over twenty five,
Speaker 3: and you know, like I have lots of friends, Like
Speaker 3: my sister goes out with the guy who's three years
Speaker 3: younger than her and like they're like perfect together. So
Speaker 3: I think it's just all about the individual's maturity level.
Speaker 3: So I think it's fine. And he sounds really mature,
Speaker 3: like I'm normally seeing like well two minutes of him,
Speaker 3: but like he's trained to be a doctoring, I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a last.
Speaker 1: He's training to be a doctor.
Speaker 2: And also he was just like talking about communication now, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm like one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: He's older than his years in maturity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you know what, I've never gone out
Speaker 3: with someone who's younger than me. I've gone out with
Speaker 3: guys who are older than me. Like I've had big
Speaker 3: age gaps.
Speaker 1: And what's the biggest age gap?
Speaker 3: Eleven years?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I look back and I'm like, oh, you
Speaker 3: know what, Like I was, I was probably I was
Speaker 3: in my early twenties and the asiac was too big,
Speaker 3: you know, like in terms of like we were totally
Speaker 3: different spectrums of our life, Like, yes, I should have
Speaker 3: been out enjoying my life and partying, but like, look,
Speaker 3: I was very mature. I had been traveling the world,
Speaker 3: I'd been working. I'd left my house when I was seventeen,
Speaker 3: So I definitely felt older. But I actually it's probably
Speaker 3: only now that I'm I'm thirty two. Would idate a
Speaker 3: thirty year old?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, keep me young, No, I mean now I'm
Speaker 2: getting older, Like I can so see myself like in
Speaker 2: my fifties, of like men in their thirties.
Speaker 1: Like that's I can really see that as I get older.
Speaker 2: I think it's just when you're still in your twenties,
Speaker 2: everything feels more like big than it actually is, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So because when I remember, like I
Speaker 2: once stated a guy who was a year younger than me,
Speaker 2: not long ago, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like a young lover and it was a year I
Speaker 2: think we were in the same school year. He just
Speaker 2: like his birthday was like after me, No, that's not
Speaker 2: a turn off at all if they're cool, and he
Speaker 2: was cool.
Speaker 1: He was. He was like, he was good to chat to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So did he say anything that was like, from
Speaker 3: what I'm getting right now, he seems perfect. He seemed
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 1: He did he say anything that gave me the ick? No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't.
Speaker 2: He wasn't ick like, he wasn'n it. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I was necessarily attracted to him.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sorry, I didn't even ask what was what
Speaker 3: he looked like?
Speaker 1: What did he look like? That's a good question. He
Speaker 1: looked like.
Speaker 3: Can I say one thing I will say from doing
Speaker 3: this podcast, I realized it actually doesn't matter what people
Speaker 3: look like. It's all about like your chat compatibility and
Speaker 3: like the energy you get off them would do you anyway?
Speaker 3: Definitely seem like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's what I.
Speaker 2: Found really interesting about this podcast, because I'm surprised myself
Speaker 2: by people, like by actually having a great like vibe
Speaker 2: with someone that I would have never like swiped to
Speaker 2: on a dating app basically because they never fit my
Speaker 2: like sort of more standard type. This guy, he looks
Speaker 2: a bit like what's the guy's name who is in
Speaker 2: super Bad?
Speaker 1: Who isn't Joonah Hill, Michael Sarah.
Speaker 3: Okay, guy, he's also an Arrested Development him. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: So he looks like your man from Arrested Development.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So there's someone else that's like really on the tip
Speaker 2: of my tongue, but I just it's not coming to me.
Speaker 2: So let's just say that, and the guy will listen
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, I've never been told that.
Speaker 3: You just kind of like expect him to be funny.
Speaker 1: Then, yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 3: I love Arrested Development.
Speaker 1: I love he's.
Speaker 2: So many people aren't good at communicating or because that
Speaker 2: shows that, like, you're probably like quite like emotionally intelligent person.
Speaker 2: If at the age of like twenty three you could
Speaker 2: have gone out of an older woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even from a like biological point of view,
Speaker 4: like med's brains tend to develop a little bit later, So.
Speaker 2: That's actually true, like men's brains developed lower my.
Speaker 4: Brains brains, the average men's brain is slightly different to
Speaker 4: the average women's brain. I think when it comes to
Speaker 4: relationships and having that emotional tallegence, which is obviously more
Speaker 4: needed a relationship, it probably takes a little bit longer
Speaker 4: for guys to work out that.
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Is that actually did he read that enough? I check better?
Speaker 3: Or is it like I know we've joken, Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I know that, Like you know, in society we always
Speaker 3: say that, like you know, oh, men are and ready
Speaker 3: to settle down by x age, and you know they
Speaker 3: take longer to they take longer to mature. So he's
Speaker 3: actually he's confirming that with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only thing about that, right, And I don't know
Speaker 2: because I don't know science, but like I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's such a cop out for men to then
Speaker 2: be able to say.
Speaker 3: That, yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it is true because like going
Speaker 2: by like averages, like most men I've met when I
Speaker 2: was younger were really immature and have since matured.
Speaker 3: And I suppose when you think of it, like most
Speaker 3: like just completely at myself here and now I was
Speaker 3: probably ready to like okay, I could possibly settle in
Speaker 3: and take a relationship seriously at like twenty eight, whereas
Speaker 3: like most guys, I know, it's like they it's like
Speaker 3: thirty three. Yeah, they're like, okay, now I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're so lucky I think for that because
Speaker 2: we do get stressed. I mean, I'm now going to
Speaker 2: be like thirty three. I think I'm like not stressing
Speaker 2: at all. But I remember a few years ago I'd
Speaker 2: be like, well, I need to know who I'm going
Speaker 2: to be with by the end of my thirties because
Speaker 2: then I need to start, you know, thinking about having
Speaker 2: children with them. That is so stressful, Like it's an
Speaker 2: unnecessary stress that we have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is pretty shit for us, Like we
Speaker 3: have a lot to think about it, especially if you
Speaker 3: want kids. But guys, they can literally just keep going.
Speaker 4: The way I probably express love and affection if we
Speaker 4: sort of talk about love angry, yes, which I thought
Speaker 4: was an absolute myth until someone kind of I was
Speaker 4: like very scientific and I'd be like, this is rubbitch,
Speaker 4: Like this is just a load, Like I would honestly
Speaker 4: put it like alongside hovoscopes in terms of how much
Speaker 4: I didn't believe in it previously. And if you tell
Speaker 4: me that you love horoscopes and then I have a
Speaker 4: long conversation about that.
Speaker 1: It's not that's not really my dad. But love languages
Speaker 1: and attachment.
Speaker 3: Style I do.
Speaker 4: I do very much believe in love languages and for me,
Speaker 4: quality time and physical touch, the ways I communicate it
Speaker 4: and probably in the ways ways I probably want to receive.
Speaker 1: It most of the time.
Speaker 4: I had one go once kind of showered me if
Speaker 4: gifts very early on, and I felt some other I
Speaker 4: do right.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that, Rod, do you are you into
Speaker 1: love languages?
Speaker 3: I have no idea what my love language is, really,
Speaker 3: no idea, like why are they?
Speaker 2: So this is how you receive love, so that it's
Speaker 2: how you feel you receive love the best. So it's
Speaker 2: physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time. So if somebody,
Speaker 2: say like comes and spends time with you, like you know,
Speaker 2: doesn't leave at six the next day, like actually spends
Speaker 2: the morning with you.
Speaker 1: Acts of service.
Speaker 2: So if somebody comes and fixes your boiler or you've
Speaker 2: got light bulb that needs changing, whatever, And then gifts.
Speaker 2: So somebody who like thinks of you says, oh, I
Speaker 2: saw this thing and it made me think of you
Speaker 2: like that, you receive love like that. So for example,
Speaker 2: like with my mom, like she's acts of services like
Speaker 2: how she gives love, but I don't really receive love
Speaker 2: that way. I for her, would receive love from her
Speaker 2: if she gave me a hug, like her giving me
Speaker 2: a hug would make me feel so much more love
Speaker 2: than her like coming and fixing my life.
Speaker 1: But well, does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So like basically how I show love to people is
Speaker 5: I love to give them stuff, So I'll like bake
Speaker 5: someone something, I'll give them presents, like I love to
Speaker 5: gift people things, and that's my me showing.
Speaker 2: But then which of those do you feel? Is how
Speaker 2: you receive love?
Speaker 3: So I like when people give me backstuff, oh do
Speaker 3: you yeah? Yeah? But then like say my boyfriend, he
Speaker 3: prefers like acts of service.
Speaker 5: So like if I like cleaned the house or like
Speaker 5: did something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, here's a cake. The kitchen's in
Speaker 3: a mess with you.
Speaker 2: But that's why because you're basically doing what you want.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, So for me, mine our physical
Speaker 2: time and presents. I love receiving gifts. I don't like
Speaker 2: giving gifts, but I like receiving gifts. So like with
Speaker 2: my ex boyfriend, like until I figured out what his were,
Speaker 2: I used to buy him present, so I thought it
Speaker 2: would instigate him buying me present.
Speaker 1: But that's not how he received a game. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting. He told the story of when a relationship had
Speaker 3: gone wrong.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then he told me about the first
Speaker 2: date of his that did not go well either.
Speaker 4: I went on a date that was a blind date
Speaker 4: and the date was basically bad from the start, like
Speaker 4: there wasn't that attraction from either sides. And about an
Speaker 4: hour and she was like, I'm actually quite hungry. I
Speaker 4: think I might go after dinner. No, as we're going
Speaker 4: up to the bar to like to pay, she's like,
Speaker 4: do you mind if I pay for my drink? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's problem, and she pays for hers. I paid for mine,
Speaker 4: and then she gives me this sort of scowling look.
Speaker 4: I think, Okay. She's like, you know what, I've never
Speaker 4: been on a date and the guy hasn't paid for me.
Speaker 1: What the hell? But she was like, can I pay off?
Speaker 4: I wasn't even a discussion about paying, she brought up
Speaker 4: the topic if you offer you actually it shouldn't be empty.
Speaker 1: Bless him.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, it's absolutely it's peak out there.
Speaker 3: He's kind of like in the dating world, you know,
Speaker 3: and I I used to do this. You only say
Speaker 3: something but you don't mean it, but you're just testing them.
Speaker 1: I know, And that's so toxic.
Speaker 2: I used to do stuff like that all the time,
Speaker 2: not on a first day.
Speaker 1: I do it like in a relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I think, if we're all honest, a
Speaker 3: lot of people listening to this will go, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I definitely do that when I was younger as well.
Speaker 3: But that's kind of what she's doing. She was like
Speaker 3: testing him, and then it was like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: he actually did he didn't pay.
Speaker 2: But that's so weird to do with someone when A
Speaker 2: it's clearly not a vibe, you're clearly not having a
Speaker 2: good day, and b you're leaving. It's just it's weird.
Speaker 2: So bless him. I felt I felt like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I was like necessarily attracted to this guy,
Speaker 2: but I actually.
Speaker 1: Felt like a fondness for him, like I liked him.
Speaker 3: He seems like a really nice guy. And even the
Speaker 3: fact that, like he brings up that story, he's still
Speaker 3: probably quite he seemed to be like quite traumatized by
Speaker 3: don I know that, like he someone left a date
Speaker 3: thinking that he was like not nice or like a
Speaker 3: bit of a screwge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been thinking about it because he doesn't want
Speaker 2: people to think that about him. He seemed like a
Speaker 2: very well mannered, well raised young man.
Speaker 3: And the sad thing is like you're just not physically
Speaker 3: attracted to him, So like, do you think you'd even
Speaker 3: see him again?
Speaker 2: I'm not for a date capacity, but definitely like as
Speaker 2: a friend, yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, would you set him up with someone?
Speaker 1: Definitely I would set him up with someone. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Yeah, I know that's not a good question.
Speaker 3: I always think that, like sometimes you meet someone and
Speaker 3: you're like, they are so nice, but I'd like them
Speaker 3: as a friend, but like they would be I love
Speaker 3: them to go one of my friends.
Speaker 2: That is such a good question because actually also I
Speaker 2: know that loads of my friends would like like this guy.
Speaker 2: That's such a good way to think about it, actually,
Speaker 2: because then it's not a waste, is it.
Speaker 3: No, it's like one for me, one for you, one
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he's probably one of the only
Speaker 2: ones I've been on a date with so far that
Speaker 2: i'd like set up with someone else.
Speaker 3: Good man are good job?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And then if he goes out one
Speaker 3: of your friends, you can still text me a bit
Speaker 3: all your ailments.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly. I've got like three doctors on text already.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm like driving them all mad next time.
Speaker 2: On twenty eight Dates Later, not a bag weamons so
Speaker 2: many gay group chucks.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's because men are a plague,
Speaker 4: but straight away from like love.
Speaker 3: The dates that we've listened to, I love her, I
Speaker 3: love her around me.
Speaker 1: I'm a savage can it?
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Dates Later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio,
Speaker 2: but more from Novel Visit novel Dot Audio. The series
Speaker 2: is presented by me Grace Campbell with help from Rod
Speaker 2: Pursal and Dan White. The producer is Diggory Way. The
Speaker 2: executive producer is Claire Broughton. I read it to are
Speaker 2: Mithily Raw and Max O'Brien. Production management from Charie Houston
Speaker 2: and Charlotte Wall. Willard Foxton is our creative director. Of
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