1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Novel. This show contains adult material and swearing. You have 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: been warned the doctor thing. 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I necessarily see myself in a 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 2: relationship with the doctor, because I feel like our lives 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: would be so different. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, keep come home from saving someone's life and maybe 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 3: they're doing a TikTok or. 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: My dad and I'm like, babe, what do you think 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: about this joke I've written about analding me. I'm a savage. 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Are you bored of modern dating? 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: Meeting the same people from the same apps in the 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: same bar you've only chosen because it's close to your 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: time to change the narrative on how we find love. 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: It's time to start looking for love in all the 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: picking people who are the total opposite of my type. 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: And after twenty eight of these dates in two months, 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: will I find that special someone or Well, this experiment 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: proved that I should just give up on dating altogether. 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: It's time to find out. 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. Okay, 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: so ross, this date was the first time ever in 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: my life that I've been on a date that did 25 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: not have alcohol involved. 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Is that really crazy with me? To admit? 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: No, I think maybe it'll be crazy for some people. 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: But even like, I'm not a big drinker, and if 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: I was going a first stade, I would feel like 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: I would need a drink to settle my nerves. 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: You do, because I think, how does one without alcohol 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: on a date get to the point where they're like, Okay, 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna kiss you. 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine ever doing that sober for the 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: first time. 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: There's gonna be people listening who are like they can fathom. 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, of course I'd go on a date 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: and I'll have a drink. But everyone's different, and I 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: would definitely be on the same page as he was 41 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: in like going for a date to don't call sober, 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: I would be like, yeah, I think I need to 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: definitely have like a can of Monster or. 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Something loads of cbdal CB deal. 45 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: Actually, Monster would be the worst thing because I'd probably 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: tell them my life story. Ye. 47 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: That would make you too like hyper. 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably give you the ships as well, which 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't be great. 50 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: So his name is Aaron and We got set up 52 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: by a mutual friend and we went to meet in 53 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: a cafe in the middle of the day. It was 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: a lunchtime date because he is a doctor, which is 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: very cool. 56 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: Oh my god, especially I'm like such a hypochondriac. I 57 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: think that would be like a dream same. 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like a doctor's worse nightmare. Like, once 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: I got the phone number of a doctor, it's game 60 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: over because I just literally call them all the time. 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: But actually that's that's what I actually ended up doing 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: for sort of. 63 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: The first half of the day was totally great. 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: All my ailments, I know, talk about what that's good 65 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that you know your name. This is Eddie, my dog. 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I do love Eddie. 67 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great, She's very chill. She just goes to sleep. 68 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: So how do you feel like I spent more attention 69 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: on Eddie than you. 70 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: No, I actually would enjoy that because I recently went 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: on a date when I had her and the guy 72 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: just didn't acknowledge her. It was really weird, like she 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: was there and he just didn't look at her at all. 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: That's such a red flag. 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to have the opposite red flag. 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Much prefer that she's so hard not to look at. 77 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: What kind of doctor are you? 78 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: I'm a GP. 79 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm a hypochondriac. I've got so. 80 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: Everyone thinks I got something seriously wrong with her. And 81 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, you're twenty. 82 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: Four, in good health. 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: You're in better shape than me. Actually, like why why 84 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: why are you here wasting your time in my time? 85 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: I see there's a running team here where you slightly 86 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: bully them a little bit. You're like, oh, that's great. 87 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: You know your name. 88 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, Grace, that's what I do. Like it's I'm 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 2: I'm I'm really means men. 90 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 3: When we get to the twenty eight date, we're going 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 3: to try break you down. 92 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know where it comes from. 93 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: It's like it's that clussic, you know, like the girl 94 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: in like Rugrats or something. She just thinks that like 95 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: the way that boys will like us if she just 96 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: pushes them over, like beats them up. That's why I 97 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: was like a primary school. 98 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: I picture you going into a first date not being 99 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: nervous at all and taking like I suppose taking the 100 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: ball by the horns and actually directing the date. But like, 101 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: am I wrong? And you nervous going into dates. 102 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: It really depends. It depends on my mood. 103 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: It depends on who like the vibes that the person 104 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: has given me before. So like, if if I feel 105 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: like we're going to have things in common, they're not really. 106 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: But if I feel like it's a bit random or 107 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: I'm somewhere a bit out of like my comfort zone, 108 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: like not in Northwest London, then yeah I am nervous. 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: But like if it's like somewhere familiar and like, I mean, 110 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: the best first date is like you know, when you 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: like either have a mutual friend with them or there's 112 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: something in common. I don't really get that nervous before dates. 113 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: So I feel like I've been on so many first 114 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: dates now that I've just like lost the like energy 115 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: to be that nervous before. I know, no, little that 116 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: sound you just made is not really tragic, you know 117 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: what though? 118 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: Do you know, like say if you walked in and 119 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: someone was really really like you were so attracted. 120 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: Them, then they get nervous under yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, 121 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: one hundred percent, And then I do get nervous, and 122 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: like you know, they're there are situations where like people 123 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: do make me nervous, But on like a first date. 124 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: Before i've met someone, I'm like, chances are you're not 125 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: gonna impress me that much, so I'm not that nervous. 126 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: And then maybe I get there and I'm like, oh, 127 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: this is really exciting, and then I'd start to be like, Okay, 128 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: I wish i'd like warn an ice are out there. 129 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: Can I just say if I was going on a 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: date with you, I'd be nervous. I would be so nervous, Like, really, 131 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: I obviously know you. I've listened to your podcast, I've 132 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: read your book, so I feel like I would come 133 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: in being very very nervous because you are You come 134 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: across like a really really strong woman. You are a 135 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: really strong woman, and you're funny. You're everything I think 136 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: as a guy coming into the date, they're probably shitting it. 137 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I love that. 138 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes me so happy, just the idea that 139 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: I make me nervous. The doctor thing, I'm like, amazing, 140 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: you're a doctor. But also I'm not sure if I 141 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: necessarily see myself like in a relationship with the doctor, 142 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: because I feel like our lives would be so different 143 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: and the way that like what we do as a 144 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: job would be really different. 145 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 146 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was with the doctor, I'd be like, God, 147 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: you must think my life is ridiculous, Like you must 148 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: think that I'm like a ridiculous person and nothing in 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: my life is real, and like that would make me 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: really self conscious that like I'm just a frivolous, little, 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: silly little girl. 152 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd come home from saving someone's life and maybe 153 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: they're doing a TikTok of my dogs, and I'd be like, 154 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: well shit. 155 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I'm like, babe, do you what do 156 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: you think about this joke I've written about anal? 157 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: It was actually really fun day. 158 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: The chat was really good because he was just very 159 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: comfortable and so it was like good flowing conversation. 160 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: And I have a question, what is the age difference? 161 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: I know he's younger, but what's the year. 162 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: I think he was two years younger than me. 163 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: I think the end thing like when you're above twenty five, 164 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: like two just that much. 165 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, he told me that he loves stating older women. Oh. 166 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: If I look back at my dating history, I'd say 167 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: most of the girls I've ended up with have been 168 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: older than me. Really, yeah, I think maybe by how 169 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: many is the oldest? Age difference is like three or 170 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: four years. I thought I would have been twenty three 171 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: twenty four, as I was twenty eight. For me, relationships 172 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: are all about communication anyway, So as long as both 173 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: people communication with each other, it shouldn't really be a problem. 174 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: How do you twenty five? 175 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're so young. 176 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're so young. 177 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: My god, it's so young. I wish I was twenty five. 178 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think my ex? When I got 179 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: with him, I was twenty three and he was twenty eight. 180 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: And I am a bit sexist in the sense that 181 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: I think it's a bit more normal when the man 182 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: is older. 183 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: I don't know why I think when he's over twenty five, 184 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: and you know, like I have lots of friends, Like 185 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: my sister goes out with the guy who's three years 186 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: younger than her and like they're like perfect together. So 187 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: I think it's just all about the individual's maturity level. 188 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: So I think it's fine. And he sounds really mature, 189 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: like I'm normally seeing like well two minutes of him, 190 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: but like he's trained to be a doctoring, I mean, 191 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: this is a last. 192 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: He's training to be a doctor. 193 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: And also he was just like talking about communication now, yeah, 194 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: and I'm like one hundred percent. 195 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: He's older than his years in maturity. 196 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you know what, I've never gone out 197 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: with someone who's younger than me. I've gone out with 198 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: guys who are older than me. Like I've had big 199 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: age gaps. 200 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: And what's the biggest age gap? 201 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: Eleven years? 202 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: Wow? 203 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? And I look back and I'm like, oh, you 204 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: know what, Like I was, I was probably I was 205 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: in my early twenties and the asiac was too big, 206 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: you know, like in terms of like we were totally 207 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 3: different spectrums of our life, Like, yes, I should have 208 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: been out enjoying my life and partying, but like, look, 209 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: I was very mature. I had been traveling the world, 210 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: I'd been working. I'd left my house when I was seventeen, 211 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 3: So I definitely felt older. But I actually it's probably 212 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: only now that I'm I'm thirty two. Would idate a 213 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: thirty year old? 214 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 215 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 216 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I mean? 217 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, keep me young, No, I mean now I'm 218 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: getting older, Like I can so see myself like in 219 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: my fifties, of like men in their thirties. 220 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Like that's I can really see that as I get older. 221 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 2: I think it's just when you're still in your twenties, 222 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: everything feels more like big than it actually is, if 223 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: that makes sense. So because when I remember, like I 224 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: once stated a guy who was a year younger than me, 225 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: not long ago, and I was like, oh my god, 226 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: like a young lover and it was a year I 227 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: think we were in the same school year. He just 228 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: like his birthday was like after me, No, that's not 229 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: a turn off at all if they're cool, and he 230 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: was cool. 231 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: He was. He was like, he was good to chat to. 232 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, So did he say anything that was like, from 233 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: what I'm getting right now, he seems perfect. He seemed 234 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: really nice. 235 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: He did he say anything that gave me the ick? No, 236 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't. 237 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: He wasn't ick like, he wasn'n it. I don't know 238 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: if I was necessarily attracted to him. 239 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sorry, I didn't even ask what was what 240 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: he looked like? 241 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: What did he look like? That's a good question. He 242 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: looked like. 243 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: Can I say one thing I will say from doing 244 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: this podcast, I realized it actually doesn't matter what people 245 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: look like. It's all about like your chat compatibility and 246 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: like the energy you get off them would do you anyway? 247 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: Definitely seem like it doesn't matter. 248 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: That's what I. 249 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Found really interesting about this podcast, because I'm surprised myself 250 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: by people, like by actually having a great like vibe 251 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: with someone that I would have never like swiped to 252 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: on a dating app basically because they never fit my 253 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: like sort of more standard type. This guy, he looks 254 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: a bit like what's the guy's name who is in 255 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: super Bad? 256 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: Who isn't Joonah Hill, Michael Sarah. 257 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: Okay, guy, he's also an Arrested Development him. Yeah, exactly, 258 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: So he looks like your man from Arrested Development. 259 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: I think. 260 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: So there's someone else that's like really on the tip 261 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: of my tongue, but I just it's not coming to me. 262 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: So let's just say that, and the guy will listen 263 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, I've never been told that. 264 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: You just kind of like expect him to be funny. 265 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: Then, yeah, no, I know. 266 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: I love Arrested Development. 267 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: I love he's. 268 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: So many people aren't good at communicating or because that 269 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: shows that, like, you're probably like quite like emotionally intelligent person. 270 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: If at the age of like twenty three you could 271 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: have gone out of an older woman. 272 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and even from a like biological point of view, 273 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: like med's brains tend to develop a little bit later, So. 274 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: That's actually true, like men's brains developed lower my. 275 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: Brains brains, the average men's brain is slightly different to 276 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: the average women's brain. I think when it comes to 277 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: relationships and having that emotional tallegence, which is obviously more 278 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: needed a relationship, it probably takes a little bit longer 279 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: for guys to work out that. 280 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: Sort of stuff. 281 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: Is that actually did he read that enough? I check better? 282 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: Or is it like I know we've joken, Yeah, but 283 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: I know that, Like you know, in society we always 284 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: say that, like you know, oh, men are and ready 285 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: to settle down by x age, and you know they 286 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: take longer to they take longer to mature. So he's 287 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: actually he's confirming that with us. 288 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 289 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: The only thing about that, right, And I don't know 290 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: because I don't know science, but like I just feel 291 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: like it's such a cop out for men to then 292 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: be able to say. 293 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: That, yeah, that is true. 294 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 295 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it is true because like going 296 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: by like averages, like most men I've met when I 297 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: was younger were really immature and have since matured. 298 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: And I suppose when you think of it, like most 299 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: like just completely at myself here and now I was 300 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: probably ready to like okay, I could possibly settle in 301 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: and take a relationship seriously at like twenty eight, whereas 302 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 3: like most guys, I know, it's like they it's like 303 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: thirty three. Yeah, they're like, okay, now I'm ready. 304 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're so lucky I think for that because 305 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: we do get stressed. I mean, I'm now going to 306 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: be like thirty three. I think I'm like not stressing 307 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: at all. But I remember a few years ago I'd 308 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: be like, well, I need to know who I'm going 309 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: to be with by the end of my thirties because 310 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: then I need to start, you know, thinking about having 311 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: children with them. That is so stressful, Like it's an 312 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: unnecessary stress that we have. 313 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is pretty shit for us, Like we 314 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: have a lot to think about it, especially if you 315 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: want kids. But guys, they can literally just keep going. 316 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: The way I probably express love and affection if we 317 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: sort of talk about love angry, yes, which I thought 318 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 4: was an absolute myth until someone kind of I was 319 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 4: like very scientific and I'd be like, this is rubbitch, 320 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: Like this is just a load, Like I would honestly 321 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 4: put it like alongside hovoscopes in terms of how much 322 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: I didn't believe in it previously. And if you tell 323 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 4: me that you love horoscopes and then I have a 324 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 4: long conversation about that. 325 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: It's not that's not really my dad. But love languages 326 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: and attachment. 327 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: Style I do. 328 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 4: I do very much believe in love languages and for me, 329 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: quality time and physical touch, the ways I communicate it 330 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: and probably in the ways ways I probably want to receive. 331 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: It most of the time. 332 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: I had one go once kind of showered me if 333 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: gifts very early on, and I felt some other I 334 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 4: do right. 335 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I didn't like that, Rod, do you are you into 336 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: love languages? 337 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: I have no idea what my love language is, really, 338 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: no idea, like why are they? 339 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: So this is how you receive love, so that it's 340 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: how you feel you receive love the best. So it's 341 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: physical touch, words of affirmation, quality time. So if somebody, 342 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: say like comes and spends time with you, like you know, 343 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: doesn't leave at six the next day, like actually spends 344 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: the morning with you. 345 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: Acts of service. 346 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: So if somebody comes and fixes your boiler or you've 347 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: got light bulb that needs changing, whatever, And then gifts. 348 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: So somebody who like thinks of you says, oh, I 349 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: saw this thing and it made me think of you 350 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: like that, you receive love like that. So for example, 351 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: like with my mom, like she's acts of services like 352 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: how she gives love, but I don't really receive love 353 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: that way. I for her, would receive love from her 354 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: if she gave me a hug, like her giving me 355 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: a hug would make me feel so much more love 356 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: than her like coming and fixing my life. 357 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: But well, does that make sense? 358 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? 359 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: It does. 360 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 361 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: So like basically how I show love to people is 362 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 5: I love to give them stuff, So I'll like bake 363 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 5: someone something, I'll give them presents, like I love to 364 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 5: gift people things, and that's my me showing. 365 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: But then which of those do you feel? Is how 366 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: you receive love? 367 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: So I like when people give me backstuff, oh do 368 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: you yeah? Yeah? But then like say my boyfriend, he 369 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: prefers like acts of service. 370 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 5: So like if I like cleaned the house or like 371 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: did something. 372 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, here's a cake. The kitchen's in 373 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: a mess with you. 374 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: But that's why because you're basically doing what you want. 375 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: If that makes sense, So for me, mine our physical 376 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: time and presents. I love receiving gifts. I don't like 377 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: giving gifts, but I like receiving gifts. So like with 378 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: my ex boyfriend, like until I figured out what his were, 379 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: I used to buy him present, so I thought it 380 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: would instigate him buying me present. 381 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: But that's not how he received a game. Yeah. 382 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: Interesting. He told the story of when a relationship had 383 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 3: gone wrong. 384 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then he told me about the first 385 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: date of his that did not go well either. 386 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: I went on a date that was a blind date 387 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: and the date was basically bad from the start, like 388 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 4: there wasn't that attraction from either sides. And about an 389 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: hour and she was like, I'm actually quite hungry. I 390 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: think I might go after dinner. No, as we're going 391 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: up to the bar to like to pay, she's like, 392 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: do you mind if I pay for my drink? I'm like, oh, 393 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: that's problem, and she pays for hers. I paid for mine, 394 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: and then she gives me this sort of scowling look. 395 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: I think, Okay. She's like, you know what, I've never 396 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: been on a date and the guy hasn't paid for me. 397 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: What the hell? But she was like, can I pay off? 398 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: I wasn't even a discussion about paying, she brought up 399 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: the topic if you offer you actually it shouldn't be empty. 400 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Bless him. 401 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, it's absolutely it's peak out there. 402 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 3: He's kind of like in the dating world, you know, 403 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: and I I used to do this. You only say 404 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: something but you don't mean it, but you're just testing them. 405 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: I know, And that's so toxic. 406 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: I used to do stuff like that all the time, 407 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: not on a first day. 408 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: I do it like in a relationship. 409 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, I think, if we're all honest, a 410 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: lot of people listening to this will go, oh my god. 411 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 3: I definitely do that when I was younger as well. 412 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: But that's kind of what she's doing. She was like 413 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: testing him, and then it was like, I can't believe 414 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: he actually did he didn't pay. 415 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: But that's so weird to do with someone when A 416 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: it's clearly not a vibe, you're clearly not having a 417 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: good day, and b you're leaving. It's just it's weird. 418 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: So bless him. I felt I felt like, I don't 419 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: know if I was like necessarily attracted to this guy, 420 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: but I actually. 421 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: Felt like a fondness for him, like I liked him. 422 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: He seems like a really nice guy. And even the 423 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: fact that, like he brings up that story, he's still 424 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: probably quite he seemed to be like quite traumatized by 425 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: don I know that, like he someone left a date 426 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: thinking that he was like not nice or like a 427 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: bit of a screwge. 428 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been thinking about it because he doesn't want 429 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: people to think that about him. He seemed like a 430 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: very well mannered, well raised young man. 431 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: And the sad thing is like you're just not physically 432 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: attracted to him, So like, do you think you'd even 433 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: see him again? 434 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm not for a date capacity, but definitely like as 435 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: a friend, yeah. 436 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: Sure, would you set him up with someone? 437 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: Definitely I would set him up with someone. Oh that's 438 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: a good question. Yeah, I know that's not a good question. 439 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 3: I always think that, like sometimes you meet someone and 440 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: you're like, they are so nice, but I'd like them 441 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: as a friend, but like they would be I love 442 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 3: them to go one of my friends. 443 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 2: That is such a good question because actually also I 444 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 2: know that loads of my friends would like like this guy. 445 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: That's such a good way to think about it, actually, 446 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: because then it's not a waste, is it. 447 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: No, it's like one for me, one for you, one 448 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: for me. 449 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he's probably one of the only 450 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 2: ones I've been on a date with so far that 451 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: i'd like set up with someone else. 452 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: Good man are good job? 453 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: Yeah? 454 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god. And then if he goes out one 455 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: of your friends, you can still text me a bit 456 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: all your ailments. 457 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly. I've got like three doctors on text already. 458 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 459 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm like driving them all mad next time. 460 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: On twenty eight Dates Later, not a bag weamons so 461 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: many gay group chucks. 462 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's because men are a plague, 463 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: but straight away from like love. 464 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: The dates that we've listened to, I love her, I 465 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: love her around me. 466 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: I'm a savage can it? 467 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: Twenty eight Dates Later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio, 468 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: but more from Novel Visit novel Dot Audio. 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