WEBVTT - Work in Progress: Tinx 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress high

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<v Speaker 1>Whip Smarties. Today, we are joined by TikTok's big sister,

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<v Speaker 1>you know her as Tanks, none other than Christina Najar.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a New York Times best selling author. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a podcast and radio host, and it's really her

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<v Speaker 1>wit and candor that have established her as a resounding

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<v Speaker 1>voice for women. She is engaging and empathetic and not

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to change her mind. We all got to know

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<v Speaker 1>her with her satirical rich Mom content five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and her takes on pop culture, theories on sex, dating

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<v Speaker 1>and relationships, and honest reviews and recommendations of everything from

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<v Speaker 1>food and restaurants to beauty, fashion and lifestyle products have

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<v Speaker 1>placed her squarely in the cultural zeitgeist. Tinks has a

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<v Speaker 1>devoted fan base and everyone is incredibly excited for her

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<v Speaker 1>new novel, Hotter in the Hamptons, which is available now

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<v Speaker 1>and is being adapted for television. Next, let's dive in

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<v Speaker 1>with Tanks. Okay, girl, Well, before we get into you

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<v Speaker 1>know where we are and what we're all up to

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<v Speaker 1>these days. I actually really like to kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>a little back in time with people, and I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>really curious if you could hang out with your younger self,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you were nine or ten years old,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think you would see a kind of connection

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<v Speaker 1>to who you were becoming when you were a little

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<v Speaker 1>kid and who you are right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think you can definitely see the roots

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<v Speaker 3>of who I am. I think I would be so

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<v Speaker 3>excited if I knew that this was my life when

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<v Speaker 3>I was like vibe, I would be like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, I made it.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I think you know who we are as

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<v Speaker 3>kids kind of us in our most pure form in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that's like who we are before the worlds

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<v Speaker 3>with us and tells us that we can't do things

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<v Speaker 3>and gives us doubt and insecurities. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>kids are so pure in that way. They're just like

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<v Speaker 3>their personalities are so defined even though they're young.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Yeah, so it's a really interesting thought.

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<v Speaker 3>What about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you would see the roots of yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? And I think to your point, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>the becoming and the sort of life paths and other

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<v Speaker 1>people's influence and all sorts of things that I think

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say, like took me off my

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<v Speaker 1>path necessarily, but definitely I feel like I went through

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of stages and phases trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what was really for me. And I think to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>when when you're really young, and I think, especially like

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<v Speaker 1>feisty little girls, you kind of know yourself and then

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<v Speaker 1>you get they told a lot about who you're not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be or what you're not supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, I think there's a really interesting thing

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<v Speaker 1>as you evolve where in a way you you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of also unlearn a lot to get back to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of core self. Where did you grow up?

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in London?

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<v Speaker 3>You did, Yeah, I grew up in London, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I moved to the States when I was nineteen to

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<v Speaker 3>go to college.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think, like what you're saying is so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you're pure in yourself and then the world

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<v Speaker 3>like changes you because you're like, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>be this, I need to try this, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>be insecure, I need to do that. And then right

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<v Speaker 3>around for me, like in my early thirties was when

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<v Speaker 3>I was started to like be like, oh, I need

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<v Speaker 3>to unlearn all that stuff and go back to who

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<v Speaker 3>I really am, and I just think it's so interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>like so many women have.

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<v Speaker 2>I think most women have.

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<v Speaker 3>This evolution of like real learning who you really are,

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<v Speaker 3>because twenties is all about like like trying on different hats,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, oh, maybe I'll hang with these people, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>am I like a cool girl?

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<v Speaker 2>Or am I like this girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>And then New York thirties, you're like, I actually just

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<v Speaker 2>need to go back to who I am. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's kind of amazing. I love it. I'm into

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<v Speaker 2>thirties so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I like that. That makes me really happy to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved turning thirty, I think especially because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for me and some of my closest friends, we just

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<v Speaker 1>spent nine years on a show where, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>we repeated high school, so right, it's a emotional holdback, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we were sort of stuck there and all

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery so many of our friends did in their

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<v Speaker 1>twenties we didn't really get to do. So in this

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting way, I felt like I was discovering a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in my thirties. And then also it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>the task of the first half of my thirties was unlearning,

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<v Speaker 1>like very devout good girl behavior at work, like no,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't always need to make everything easier for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else totally. And then, weirdly, the second half of my thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had to confront that I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do that for my own life. And

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<v Speaker 1>then at forty, like the first year that I was forty,

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<v Speaker 1>everything shifted and I went, oh, okay, I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>now this is my time.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Do you do like what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>self work do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Or like what kind of like how how do you

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<v Speaker 3>best like get to know yourself? And like do all

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<v Speaker 3>these things like do you new therapy, journaling?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everything you know artists' way. I I found

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<v Speaker 1>a great, great therapist who I really like. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think finding the right therapist for you is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like finding the right partner for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there's relationships you've been in that have been great,

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<v Speaker 1>they serve a reason, they take you through a season.

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<v Speaker 1>You can love people and then move on from them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think interestingly like therapy can be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like that too, where it takes a while to get

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<v Speaker 1>from just enjoying hanging out with someone to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a really constructive place where you know that your life

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<v Speaker 1>is better because of their presence.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent. I know, finding a good therapist is

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<v Speaker 3>like it's so key, it's so crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>Has it been that for you too? What's what's Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I have like an amazing therapist that I worked with

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<v Speaker 3>for like five years, and I've been doing my job

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<v Speaker 3>for five years. So I started like being online five

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, and it was so crucial to have someone

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<v Speaker 3>who could like support me during this like weird job

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<v Speaker 3>that I have where it's like, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>normal to get so much feedback on yourself, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's not like a normal human experience. And so

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<v Speaker 3>for anyone who is in the public eye, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the regular public eye or on the internet, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a bizarre experience to hear so much about yourself

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<v Speaker 3>back to you, and you need someone to really help

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<v Speaker 3>you weather that and help you process and be like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not normal, Like it's actually really strange, Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>really strange that you get thousands of comments about your

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<v Speaker 3>appearance or this or that or like it's bizarre. So

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<v Speaker 3>my therapist is amazing, and I've been with her for

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<v Speaker 3>five years, and you know, to your point, she really

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<v Speaker 3>like does make me a better person. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>so appreciate the work we do together. And I journal

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually am. I've done the Artist's way before, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't do it properly.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm planning to do it this summer really just

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<v Speaker 3>like take time and like really really use it. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel very ready and very called to do it right now,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too. It's really interesting because I have a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine gave it to me literally ten years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's your time. And I've carried this

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<v Speaker 1>weathered copy around in my backpack on like every trip,

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<v Speaker 1>to every set, to every everything. And I got about

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<v Speaker 1>halfway through it last summer and went, Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually have the time I want to devote to this,

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<v Speaker 1>to finishing it. And in a weird way, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I also had to get to a point in my

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<v Speaker 1>life where I could be okay with that, where I

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<v Speaker 1>could put a book down halfway and be like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>revisit this when I have a beat. It's important to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back to it. I used to have a

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<v Speaker 1>real kind of all or nothing like perfectionist tendency, which

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<v Speaker 1>is terrible because perfectionism just sets you up to fail

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<v Speaker 1>all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Its perfect doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>So to unlearn a little bit of that has been

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting too, did it. I wonder for you this

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<v Speaker 1>shift into online life because I'm thinking about when we

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<v Speaker 1>met at our mutual friend's house at that barbecue. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it was kind of in the first year

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe that you were doing this thing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think about your history, you know, going to Stanford getting

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<v Speaker 1>a masters at Parsons, Like you you had goals that

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<v Speaker 1>you were pursuing in a more traditional light, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you stepped into this very non traditional space. And to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, that comes with a flood of information about

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<v Speaker 1>yourself that is not healthy. And you've talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety of I guess the byproduct of the anxiety that

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<v Speaker 1>comes with that. Like, why do you think the shift happened?

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<v Speaker 1>What led you to say, Oh, I've gotten this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an education, but now I'm going to live with

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<v Speaker 1>it in this non traditional fashion. How did you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of make sense of what you thought you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to do versus what you actually do now and how

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<v Speaker 1>it's shifted your.

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<v Speaker 3>Life honestly, don't even think I was aware of it

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<v Speaker 3>when it was happening. I just like was thrust into

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<v Speaker 3>the online world and I loved it. It's like very alluring,

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<v Speaker 3>Like obviously, especially at the beginning, you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>like the validation feels so good and you feel so popular,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, you think this is incredible, like everyone

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<v Speaker 3>thinks I'm funny whatever. And then so I wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>super cognizant of where I thought I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be and like what I'm doing now. But I will

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<v Speaker 3>say I think that a lot of who I thought

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to be has helped me in this job.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I worked in corporate America, Like I know how

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<v Speaker 3>to send an email, I know how to do a

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<v Speaker 3>PowerPoint presentation, Like all that stuff has become useful in

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<v Speaker 3>a way in this world. And that's truly how I

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<v Speaker 3>try to just operate anyway, Like even if you have

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<v Speaker 3>an experience where you're like, oh I didn't like this,

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<v Speaker 3>or like this was a bad job, or this was

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<v Speaker 3>this or that, like you always can take something from it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's always building to who you are going to become.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's like giving me a lot of peace throughout

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<v Speaker 3>my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try to think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Allen, Yeah, I like that. How do you? I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about this because I know what it is

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<v Speaker 1>to have a lot of people think they know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about you, and your online life is so fractional

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<v Speaker 1>to who you are as a human. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>the weird thing where there are people who who know

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<v Speaker 1>or think they know me, Sophia, and then there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who will see me and be like Brock or

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron right, like they like, yell a character name at me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are Christina and you're also Tinks. But Tinks

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<v Speaker 1>is you ish?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it feel like a character? Is it a nickname

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<v Speaker 1>that came from a friend that now blew up the persona?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you? It's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Tinks is like I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>am Tinks, Like I really do feel like it. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's also like it's online persona, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>not really who I am. And so it is interesting

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<v Speaker 3>when people think that they know like all about me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean you have the same thing. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>it must be even crazier for you because you're like

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<v Speaker 3>exactly some people think they know who you are. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people literally think that you're a character that they have

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<v Speaker 3>so much emotional attachment to that they feel like deeply

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<v Speaker 3>connected to you. And you're like, that was not me.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a projection of a character that I like

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<v Speaker 3>was the vessel for Like, that's got to be really shrippy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think all of these relationships that we have are

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<v Speaker 3>so interesting, and it's like, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>it is beautiful to connect with people over whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>a character or something online, but it's just it's just

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<v Speaker 3>shades of reality. You know, it's different, different pinpoints of reality,

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<v Speaker 3>different points of your personality, and you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is kind of a trip. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>especially no matter how open or private you choose to

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<v Speaker 1>be online, you can try to be your most authentic self.

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<v Speaker 1>You can try to be vulnerable where you find it appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>You can try to be the most honest about things,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are still going to receive you as they

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<v Speaker 1>receive you, not as you are, and that is a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting thing. I mean, how to have to balance

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<v Speaker 1>other people's expectations when you're just you and they're just them,

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<v Speaker 1>but suddenly there's two million or five million or ten

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<v Speaker 1>million of them and you're still just you. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you kind of toe the line, you know, being

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<v Speaker 1>an online girly and maintaining a sense of privacy because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you talk about dating, you talk about your life.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you figure out what to share and what

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<v Speaker 1>to hold.

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<v Speaker 3>I've scaled back a lot on talking about like my

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<v Speaker 3>like I try to talk about dating in a general

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<v Speaker 3>concept and not like my own experience as much now,

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<v Speaker 3>because I definitely was at a point where I was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of dating and I was telling my followers like too.

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<v Speaker 2>Much like I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be on a date and I would be

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<v Speaker 3>literally thinking like, oh, I'm going to tell the girls

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<v Speaker 3>about this tomorrow, like, and that's no way to live.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to set that boundary, like, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>shame because it's the best content and people love it

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<v Speaker 3>and it would always go viral and whatever. It was

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<v Speaker 3>so fun, but it just ultimately made me feel confused

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<v Speaker 3>about what was me and like what was the story

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<v Speaker 3>that I was telling? And that's not healthy, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's a trap that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>content creators fall into, where they're like they'll do things

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<v Speaker 3>so that they can talk about it in content, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, I need to keep this for myself,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm going through the you know, I'm going on

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<v Speaker 3>dates with people, and maybe I spend time with people whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>But like I'll tell my followers once it's past, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>once it's in the past, and it's it's just a story.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that the active telling, like during when

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing someone was just was too intense and it

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<v Speaker 3>was too confusing, and it just it gets it gets

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<v Speaker 3>to be confusing. I would I would think like, wait,

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<v Speaker 3>do I really like this person or am I just

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<v Speaker 3>going on a date with them so that I can

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<v Speaker 3>like do a podcast about it the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's no way to live. And it's just like you,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to set boundaries with yourself and be like

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<v Speaker 3>what am I willing to do for views? And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's always evolving, and I'm really glad that I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like hold back and I love sharing my life,

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<v Speaker 3>like I really do love sharing it with my community,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's also just certain things where I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to share everything. Like I was literally

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<v Speaker 3>in the gynecologist yesterday and I was like going to

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<v Speaker 3>do like a whole thing about.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's another really big gray area for me because I

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<v Speaker 3>have the privilege of like having health care, and I

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<v Speaker 3>have certain you know, endo and pcos and things that

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<v Speaker 3>so many women suffer from, and I know that a

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<v Speaker 3>fraction of my followers have the same, like not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people have access to good health care. And

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<v Speaker 3>so that's a gray area for me because I want

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<v Speaker 3>to inspire women who follow me to go and be

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<v Speaker 3>their own advocates and you know, ask questions about their

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<v Speaker 3>birth control and ask questions about why they have pain

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<v Speaker 3>and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also just difficult because it's like it's such a.

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<v Speaker 3>Sensitive thing and I'm not a doctor and I never

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<v Speaker 3>want to give medical advice and you know, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>like I also know I have this platform and I

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<v Speaker 3>want to inspire theomen and be like no, like ask

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<v Speaker 3>your dog again, like if you feel this or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's another area where I'm like, damn, am I

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<v Speaker 3>really on the internet talking about my IUD again? But

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that that helps, you know, Like that's an

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<v Speaker 3>area where I don't mind it to overshare a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit because it could inspire someone to go and ask

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<v Speaker 3>again or find a better solution for their health issue

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<v Speaker 3>or whatnot. So it's hard, but you kind of have

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<v Speaker 3>to just like set your boundaries and do your best.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally feel that. And it's tricky too, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I've thought about this for myself where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't only want to reflect on something when

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've really buttoned it up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where I've really settled in it, and then I can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. It's like, sometimes I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>healthy to say I don't know yet, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the answer, I'm figuring this out. But then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>inverse where if you do that, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the exact right sound bite or you don't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seem a hundred percent confident, people are like, oh, look

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<v Speaker 1>at this person. They're in a struggle. They backed out

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<v Speaker 1>of an answer.

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<v Speaker 3>They and it's sometimes you.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sometimes you don't, and also sometimes you change your mind,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, like some sometimes they're like, oh, well.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty one, you said that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, that was four years ago, Like

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<v Speaker 3>are you saying you never change your mind when you

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<v Speaker 3>get new information like that's badshit, Like yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's it's really tough, Like I always like

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<v Speaker 3>feel so oh my god. Like just to use the

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<v Speaker 3>birth control example again, I was like, because people want

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<v Speaker 3>to know and I get it because it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that women talk about all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, I had an audi. I really liked it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I took it out and people were like,

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<v Speaker 2>but you said you liked it, why did you take

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<v Speaker 2>it out? Like da da da dad?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, dude, Like, we're all changing all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>our bodies, our minds, everything, and you just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>have to like you're can be inspired by people that

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<v Speaker 3>you see, but you don't have to like follow exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what they say. You kind of kind of just use

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<v Speaker 3>it as an inspiration. But yeah, it's it's tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a word from our sponsors that I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it and I think you will too. I also think,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even what we were talking about when we

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<v Speaker 1>first jumped on, things are also shifting in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to figure out how to address. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who have been in my life who I

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<v Speaker 1>have respected who've like, in the year twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>gone a little cuckoo and turned into people who I

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<v Speaker 1>watch like lie on the internet because now they're selling

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<v Speaker 1>you stuff with the lie and I'm like, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>super embarrassed that I talked about how inspiring I thought

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<v Speaker 1>this person was five years ago. But now they're like

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<v Speaker 1>hawking snake oil and you know, making money doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like icky, And so I think, I think

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<v Speaker 1>your example of reminding people that you're allowed to change

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<v Speaker 1>your mind is important.

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<v Speaker 2>You can always change your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the smartest people that I know are people

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<v Speaker 3>that like change their mind. It's like strong opinions, loose held,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's what I say, and that's what I like.

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<v Speaker 3>If you give me new information, I'm happy to say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I was wrong or Okay, yeah that's

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<v Speaker 3>sounds totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, or like whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we all need to be more nimble, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think we all need to be like get in

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<v Speaker 3>the habit of doing that more.

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<v Speaker 2>I think with the Internet, people.

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<v Speaker 3>Really like to be like what you said, like or

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<v Speaker 3>you used to and it's like, dude, we should be

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<v Speaker 3>encouraging people to constantly be increasing their information and flow

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<v Speaker 3>and being like oh yeah, like I see that differently,

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<v Speaker 3>or I do see your point.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna change my mind, or actually I don't put

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<v Speaker 2>that person.

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<v Speaker 3>Anymore because of X Y Z like normalize it, normalize it,

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<v Speaker 3>like we can't be we can't be doing this. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>like I have to say, I think that I think

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<v Speaker 3>the left and I'm I'm you know, would call myself

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<v Speaker 3>definitely on the left, Like I think that the left

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<v Speaker 3>could actually be a lot better about that in general.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of being like no, no, no more arguing amongst ourselves,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, we got bigger goals.

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<v Speaker 2>We got we got way bigger goals. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>really like eyes in the prize now. And that's something

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<v Speaker 2>I think about all the time, Like I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like, you know, if someone I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>just think, got to stay nimble, got to stay open minded.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like you know what it makes me think

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<v Speaker 1>of for us, you know, the there's that like don't

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.199
<v Speaker 1>panic art that you see everywhere where, like all the

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<v Speaker 1>little fish are being chased by the giant fish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all the little fish make and even bigger fish and

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<v Speaker 1>go after like the one. I'm like, guys, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to stop like little fish fighting and make the to

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<v Speaker 1>get the big fish because like are you paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to like logging and they're legalizing chemicals like arsenic like

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Yeah, we have to stop with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the semantics and.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know we're like on the internet like getting

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<v Speaker 3>on each other's asking like well you said this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think technically we should say this. And I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>we actually have like like alarm bells should be ringing,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is a weird and weir in crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that we.

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<v Speaker 3>Can stop fighting amongst ourselves about like whatever in the

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<v Speaker 3>TikTok comments and we should all be banding together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, because the billionaires are trying to poison

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<v Speaker 1>our water and build bunkers and we still need tap water,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Also Meticans don't fight amongst themselves, like I honestly like,

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly admire them. I think it's one of their

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<v Speaker 3>greatest strengths is that they never fight with each other.

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<v Speaker 3>You never see that, like even if they have disagreements,

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<v Speaker 3>that they're never like publicly like talking bad about each other,

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<v Speaker 3>like having squabbles.

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<v Speaker 2>They are united and boid does it show well?

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<v Speaker 1>And they unite in like a crazy way, in a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy way like when I when I when I see

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<v Speaker 1>certain things happen and I go, oh, well, that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the end of this for someone like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Moore, a pedophile running for office, and the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>were like, yeah, but he's a conservative civil vote for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, what the fuck? Like what And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I don't think that's good banding together

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I think that's actually really terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but it's like, but it just it does illustrate

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<v Speaker 3>like how hard they ride for each other, and I

0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 3>think that's a huge key to success. Like even when

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Hagscept literally chatted war group plans like yes, they

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 3>were like, well, who hasn't done that? And I'm like

0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 3>if someone on the left that everybody else would be

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<v Speaker 3>like bring them at the stake, like kick them out,

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<v Speaker 3>Like no, And I'm like, to your point, it's not good,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's effective.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, And it's like the thing that was never

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<v Speaker 1>lost on me was that it was the tech people

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<v Speaker 1>from the George Bush White House that gave Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>the server. They were like, oh, this is the only

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<v Speaker 1>way you're going to be able to do your work

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<v Speaker 1>also from home. We'll come set it up for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then the Republicans turned it into this big,

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<v Speaker 1>like this radical leftist scandal, and I was like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what this is, like bipartisan technological information sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can critique it, but to act like it

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<v Speaker 1>was like some step things she did when Bush's guy

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<v Speaker 1>literally did it for her, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they're on signal and I'm like, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so really nothing matters. But they stick together to your.

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<v Speaker 2>Place, they stick together, they stay together. It's a clear goal.

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.720
<v Speaker 3>It's singular goal, and it's stay in power, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing a really good job of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would like to see less like less left

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<v Speaker 2>on left crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, let's just totally agree.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, do you want to be right or do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to win? You know, like the kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, and it's past for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me even like right or win. It's like do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be the most right or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to lose the planet. It's like I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 1>in an endgame. I'm like, guys, if we don't figure out

0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 1>how to be the Avengers, like, yeah, the universe blows.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, so I know, I know it's scary. It's scary times,

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<v Speaker 2>it's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also I think important for us to have conversations

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.359
<v Speaker 1>like this. I think it's important for us. I really

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<v Speaker 1>do think it matters for people who care and who

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<v Speaker 1>care to be informed, who are willing to operate with

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<v Speaker 1>a science mind to say, I do agree that science

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.360
<v Speaker 1>is real. Truth is truth, like the air should be lean,

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and I always want to learn more. I always want

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<v Speaker 1>to intake more. I always want to challenge myself to

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>expand my purview. I think that that requires I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, at least for me, it requires a certain

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<v Speaker 1>amount of maturity. I think I was much more like

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<v Speaker 1>Damn the man burn it down person in my twenties

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<v Speaker 1>than I am now. I've really learned to value, you know,

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 1>patience and pragmatism, and I can have hard conversations that

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 1>are not do or die. Yeah, like in this moment

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 1>for you, and you know that might be for me

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>getting into my early forties, in this sort of mid

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>thirties moment for you when you look at the girls,

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, as you talk about being tech talk's older sister, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at these girls who look up to

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<v Speaker 1>you in their twenties, are there are there lessons like this,

0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, patience, willingness, whatever it may be. Are there

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 1>lessons you really wish you could pass down to them

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>that you've had to learn as you've entered a new decade, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>And I try to like share as much as possible,

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 3>and some of them, you know, you really just have

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to kind of go through it, like some of it

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 3>is just life experience and you need to just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always say, like I wasted.

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 3>So much time in my twenties, like worried about body

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 3>image stuff, and I think that's one of the ones

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 3>where it's tricky. But if I could just impress upon

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.479
<v Speaker 3>the younger girls like to not let it be the

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 3>main thing in their life and like we all have

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 3>our struggles, we're all on a journey. One hundred percent.

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 3>It's terrible for women. But I just feel like if

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>I had wasted a few less hours like being so

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<v Speaker 3>mean to myself and just like how much it held

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 3>me back, Like I think just literally switching self talk

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 3>to being from negative to positive, like genuinely will change

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 3>your life. And I so I hope that, you know,

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 3>listening to me, they can kind of try to do

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<v Speaker 3>it a little earlier. I mean, I think dating like

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<v Speaker 3>not seeking validation from other people, not losing yourself in

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 3>relationships like so important, and you know, my twenties, I

0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 3>was just seeking validation. I just wanted validation. I didn't

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't even like, oh does this person like me?

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Like am I having a good time? Like do I

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 3>feel seen? It was just like I need to like

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 3>have this validation if this person liking me back, and

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try as much as possible to share my.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Experiences and and and just like you know, encourage them

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 3>to think about things and to think about themselves more kindly.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's what I want.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I kind of also wish I had had

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 3>when I was like in my twenties. I wish I'd

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 3>had an influencer who was like single, because I felt

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 3>like everybody online was in a relationship and I was like, oh,

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm such a freak, like it's only me, and so

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe I'm like hopefully if they're single,

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 3>they can see that you don't die. If you're single,

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 3>it's you can have fun, you can have a full life,

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>and it's actually like a beautiful state of life, and

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 3>you should everyone should be grateful for all those stages.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. I also think it's so I don't know. I mean,

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, we sort of split. I won't say a generation,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>but we split a decade, you and I And I

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like in my twenties, all women were ever encouraged

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to ask essentially boiled down to the unasked question, which

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was am I being chosen?

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Not?

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 1>What do I choose? What do I like? What makes

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>me feel good? What makes me feel secure? How am

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I being treated? It was like what can I do?

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And how can I and where can I live? Yeah,

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And it was this It was really sort of toxic.

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting, you know, I've had to come to

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>terms even with how the pressure that I don't even

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>know that I was conscious of about wanting to be

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>a parent and what forty men and all of these

0:27:55.040 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 1>things sort of made me not self interrogate certain things

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>in ways. Yeah, getting into something that I thought was

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 1>one thing and then I realized was not, And like

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>it was a weird moment for me to sit and

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>go Oh, I had such a good time spending years

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of my thirties being single and I had no pressure

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>about it. And then I almost feel like that thing

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>from back then crept back in and I didn't even

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>see it coming.

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we've got to talk about this stuff.

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so real. I know, some of the best

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 3>years are the single ones, and you've just got to

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 3>enjoy it for what it is and like push the

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 3>pressure outrage against it because it's just not useful or

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 3>helpful at all.

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you think that attitudes like that are changing

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>in what you see at least with your audience online,

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>because you know, you talk about the I'm talking about

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that pressure, you're talking about body image for example. There

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>are so many ways we've been sort of consciously or

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>subconsciously encouraged to make ourselves a little smaller or a

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>little more self conscious. Do you think it's changing.

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I wish that I could say it was.

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>I think like the society we live on is a patriarchy,

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 3>and it like thrives off of keeping women down. And

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 3>I honestly, sadly think that a lot of the aggression

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 3>we're seeing towards women now is a reaction is a

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 3>direct reaction to like the Me Too movement, Like I

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 3>think that that was a big power moment for women

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 3>where we were able to band together and like really

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 3>start talking about something that has plagued women since the

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 3>dawn of time and something that's extremely difficult and extremely

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 3>hard to talk about.

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 2>We've found a way. And my personal opinion is that.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 3>A lot of like the war on women's health care,

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 3>the war on abortion, the war on women right now

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>is kind of a direct reaction to women banning together

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 3>and being like, oh, no, actually.

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 2>You can't do this anymore. We're going to talk about it.

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I feel like with women, we fight so hard and

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 3>we still can only make incremental progress because the odds

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 3>are really stacked against us. And right now, I think

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 3>like with this current administration, it just feels very aggressive

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 3>towards women, and it feels like women are sometimes not

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 3>even people in their eyes. Like you know, when I

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>were always reading the thing about like, oh they're going

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 3>to pay women, Maybe they'll pay women five thousand dollars,

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 3>like it's an incentive to have a child, and it's

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>like that's insulting because the hospital built to actually birth

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>the baby is more than five thousand dollars.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's actually insulting.

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Like if you actually thought of women as people, you

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 3>would address that the fact that there's no universal healthcare,

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 3>you would address the fact that there's no manatory paid

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 3>like you would address you know, like you would even

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 3>address all the problems we have with kids, guns in schools,

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. But they they're not thinking about women as people.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 3>They're thinking about them as a tool to get to

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 3>their economic goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're thinking about us as breeders. And the unfortunate

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>thing is and they really gave it away in that

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Dobbs decision when they said they want to ensure a

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>domestic supply of infants. And then you find out that

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>there's tech companies that are pitching, you know, oh, Texas

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>is a great place to build your company because look

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>at our birth rates, you're going to have a big

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 1>labor force.

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's honestly weird. It's like, don't does it

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 3>not bother you? Like as a fellow human being? Like

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 3>does it not bother everyone?

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>That?

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Like that's how they're thinking. Like it creeps me out.

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, what, I don't know. That doesn't really

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 2>doesn't put me in the mood to have a child,

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>but whatever.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I don't know. It's just like I think

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 3>it's getting better in the sense that I think women

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 3>are super aware of like what's happening to them and

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>what's going on. It doesn't make it any easier, you

0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. It doesn't make it any easier

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 3>in the day to day.

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't know.

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Like the stats are saying women are thriving, that we're

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 3>going to college more, more, more single women own homes

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>in the US over thirty than single men, Like women

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 3>are outperforming men in every vertical, But like, why doesn't

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 3>it feel better?

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't it feel better?

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Because the fact that we are, the fact that, as

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you said, we've gained any measure of power, is why

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>we're being attacked and trying to be relegated to second

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>class citizens again because they don't like it. And it's

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>like you forget that it's not a this or that

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and us or them. It's if we get paid better,

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the GDP of the country goes up, everyone gets paid better,

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 1>everyone does better. It doesn't have to be this sort

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of totalitarian dogg eat dog energy Like that's so patriarchal.

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It is, Yeah, I know, and that's like not what

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>women want. They seem like a matriarchy, and like I

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>know that, I know we don't. We don't want to

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>like and all men.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 3>We just want to like get paid fairly and like

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 3>not be like have life be so hard, Like it's not,

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's it's you know, I'm so proud

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 3>of women for all that we've done, for those stats

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 3>that you hear, like it's it's really incredible about how

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>women are just in so many verticals, like really making

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 3>incredible advancements.

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I just wish that it, you know, felt like more.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I felt felt like nicer.

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I wish it felt like we weren't

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in quicksand all the time.

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, such a good way to put it. That's right.

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of it for me.

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. I want

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>to I want to pivot to some joy because you

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 1>know your book is out. Yes, it's so exciting you

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>by the way, you wrote a story about women, like

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:11.320
<v Speaker 1>when you think about becoming an author, that's a big deal.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.919
<v Speaker 1>What was the what was the impetus for this Where

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>did the story come from? Why did you decide you

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write a book? Why did you want it

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:23.399
<v Speaker 1>to be fiction instead of your story? Like, how did

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>this come to fruition? How did you take literary power?

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do something that was purely creative.

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I like, I think that, you know, sharing my life

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 3>online is like it's always about me, and I'm a

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>bit sick of myself, to be honest with you, And

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 3>I just like wanted to do something that was like

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:45.240
<v Speaker 3>a story. I've always loved storytelling and stories and and

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, I used to write these little characters on

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 3>my Instagram and I was just like, well what if

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I kept going and like finish the church story?

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to do something that was fun. You know.

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I also think you really need escapism right now.

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 3>I wanted it to be light and glamorous and sexy,

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 3>and I wanted you to be able to like drink

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 3>rose and read it in one sitting one summer's day

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 3>and just like have a glimmer into the world of

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 3>influencing in the Hampton's and like just glamorous, fun, sexiness.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's I wanted to do it because.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I was inspired to do it, and that's like the

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 2>purest thing.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, Well, were you drawing on real life experience,

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Like have you spent a lot of time in that space?

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Where did this sort of story begin.

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I've spent a lot of time in the Hampton's. Honestly,

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it was like inspired by my followers.

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Certain questions they would ask me kind of sparked my creativity.

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.280
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I made the main character an influencer

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 3>because that's the knowledge I have.

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>But she's not me.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.399
<v Speaker 3>It's you know, there might be some easter eggs in there,

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 3>there might be a few characters based on real life people,

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 3>but she's not me. I just wanted to do like

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 3>a creative story, something that was separate from me, and

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 3>something that just felt like escapism, like summer escapism.

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, And obviously I have to I have to

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>ask about some of the online you know, narrative about it,

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>because the novel is it is it's glamorous, it's luxurious,

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>it's spicy, so sappok. There's been a ton of you know,

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>conversation and chatter about what's appropriate there and what's not

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're not a queer woman, but you had a

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>queer collaborator Gabrielle. But then people were saying, you know,

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't credited properly, And then you were like, but

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>she's in the acknowledgments, like can you catch us up

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 1>what happened here?

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it took off that way?

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I like, I had the best experience,

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's the right thing to do.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm not a lesbian, so I I don't have

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 3>that lived experience, and I wanted to get it right.

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to nail.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 3>It, and I thought, I think it's also the right

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 3>thing to do to like hire a queer voices and

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, collaborate when needed. And it was an amazing experience.

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 3>She's an amazing writer and we had a great time

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 3>working on it together. So I don't I'm not really

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 3>sure why the narrative like took off like this. It's interesting.

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you maybe think it's about what certain people think,

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Like you were saying what the right term should have been,

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>like you acknowledge her as a collaborator. Other people said

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you can't deny a ghostwriter, and you're like, how is

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>someone a ghostwriter if they're literally printed as a collaborator. Yeah,

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 1>do you feel like it's an x's and o's thing.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Like I think, like when you hear

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 3>the word ghostwriter, it sounds like someone just wrote the

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 3>book and like a celebrity slaps their name.

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 2>On it, and that's not what this is. So I think, like,

0:37:59.040 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Know, I think we're matter, but like she's literally the

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 3>first person acknowledged in the credit, in the acknowledgments, like right, so,

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>so I think like And also a lot of the

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 3>people who are commenting on it haven't read it yet,

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 3>so I think maybe when they read it, they might

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 3>see more of like what it is and what it's not.

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel, so yeah, so we'll see obviously.

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>You guys, you know you can't help a grin when

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you talk about her. You had a great experience working

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>with her. What is it like to work with a collaborator?

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 1>And I ask, because it's something I think a lot about.

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I love writing, but I you know, I'm more of

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a classically or you know, partially collegiately trained journalist, like

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>an op ed or an essay is really my space. Yeah,

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>when I think about some ideas that I you know,

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I am toying with and I'm like, maybe it would

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>be really fun to write something with someone because I've

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>never written a book before. What was it like to

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>sit down with someone? What does collaboration look like? Are

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you walking around the city like recording your conversations? Are

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you zooming? How is it to learn that with somebody

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like her?

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's amazing, Like it was my first time

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 3>writing fiction, so I feel like I learned so much

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 3>from her. She's an incredible writer, and it was it

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 3>was a great experience. Like I'm a really collaborative person.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 3>I like to learn all the time, and yeah, it was.

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 3>It was great, Like I don't I don't know why,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 3>as is with online, like everything gets twisted into something

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 3>that it's not Like it was an incredible experience and

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad that I did it.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, and that's why I'm I'm like, what is

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>it like to collaborate with someone rather than you know

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.439
<v Speaker 1>what everybody else wants to dissect it into, like were

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys in the same city or were you were

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you doing more phone calls like across the country? You know,

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you get into the cadence

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>of a creative project.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Like that we like, I mean we worked together so

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 3>closely and like it would take on different forms. We

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 3>were in the same city, but you know, we would

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 3>talk all the time and it was very like very

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 3>back and forth, like constant communication, constant working, constant talking.

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it was great.

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>That's really exciting. And the book has barely been in

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the world and it's already been announced that it's going

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>to be a show the Fosters sisters are doing.

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Is so excited.

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>What is What does it feel like now that the

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>book is coming out? Obviously you've had a while since

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>it's been finished, and now you're going to start to

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 1>develop it for the screen. Do you feel like, because

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of how much time you've had with the book, you're

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>really ready for that. Does that also feel like a

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>completely new adventure and you're ready to learn how that works? Like?

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Where are you in that process?

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to be an executive producer.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 3>The Fosters are so smart and so incredible, and I

0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 3>am so excited to roll my sleeps up and get

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 3>to work. And we started working on it, you know,

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 3>start talking to writers, So I can't wait. It's going

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 3>to be a new skill more learning, and I'm just

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:07.760
<v Speaker 3>so excited.

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 1>That's really cool. Will you? Will you start trying to

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:16.239
<v Speaker 1>identify like a showrunner first and then go from there.

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>We're talking to writers right now, so someone who will

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 3>be able to adapt it for the screen. So that's

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.240
<v Speaker 3>just an incredible experience. Meeting all these super talented people

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 3>and just hearing their ideas about how to best adapt

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 3>it for TV is like so cool.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. Do you have kind of a

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 1>dream cast in your mind or does it feel like

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 1>I do? You do?

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>But it's on my phone? But it's like, I'm not

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>saying who it is because I want to manifest I

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.479
<v Speaker 2>don't want to drinx it. But yeah, I have people

0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that I would really love to be involved, so we'll see.

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I think if anyone can do it, it's the Fosters.

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>They're so smart.

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I love this for you guys. It's really exciting when

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 1>you think about the book, when you think about Hotter

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Hamptons, although I guess book show either is

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>there an immediate craziest Hampton story that's yours or someone

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:06.280
<v Speaker 1>else's that comes to mind?

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I have a crazy Hampton story, but

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I signed an Nda so I can't talk about it.

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh and I but yeah, Like, I'm so inspired by

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 3>the Hamptons.

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I've spent a lot of time there and it just

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>is one of those places.

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 3>It's very crazy, always happens, it's always romantic, it's always

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 3>like wild.

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 2>And so that was all like big and.

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Spell for the book as well, just that it's a

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 3>place where, like truly anything can happen.

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the kind of place that feels like a

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>character in and of itself.

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 3>Just like New York and sexon City. It's like exactly,

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 3>it's one of the characters. So I'm excited for people

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 3>to get immersed in that world.

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I love it. I can't wait. Okay, I have a

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 1>few and they can be rapid or not if you prefer.

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>But since you are TikTok's big sister, we have a

0:42:55.920 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of large, sort of feme questions that we need

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>your advice on. First of which, what do you think

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>is the biggest dating red flag.

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>When they don't ask you questions about yourself? Oh?

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and when people are rude.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 2>To God, that's unacceptable.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 1>What's your first date deal breaker? Is it being rude

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to servers and arrest.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Rude to server, rude to anyone, just like bad energy. Yeah,

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:23.839
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.959
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Do you think it's ever okay to ghost someone?

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>We actually got that question a lot in advance of this.

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 3>I think it's okay if you've never met them in person,

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 3>like if you're talking on an app, like, I think

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 3>it's okay to just it's fine if you've never met

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:36.839
<v Speaker 3>them before.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>But yes, exactly, exactly okay.

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you can ever come back from getting

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the eck?

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think it's possible if you really like them.

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's solvable for sure too. Yeah.

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.680
<v Speaker 3>If it's small, I think you get over it. You're like,

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 3>oh I can look past this.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Mmm. Interesting. I don't think I've ever gotten over it

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>because it takes me a little while. You get there, Yeah,

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I get there. It's like it's it's like a stick

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of work in it. It's definitely done.

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this a little bit, but more in

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>terms of your online community. But for you, if you

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.439
<v Speaker 1>could give your twenty two year old self one piece

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of advice, what do you think.

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>It would be?

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Stop worrying so much. It's really not it's really okay.

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 3>And you're very young, and you don't need to have

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 3>everything figured out.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that a lot. And lastly, not a

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.879
<v Speaker 1>rapid fire question, but what when you sort of look

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>out at the year ahead of you right now and

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>all the things you're working on and the place you

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>are in your life, what feels like you're work in progress?

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, myself. I'm always We're all always works in progress,

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 2>like we all are. We're never done and it's just

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>more about like enjoying the journey and enjoying working on yourself.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, we're never done working on ourselves. I'm the

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.280
<v Speaker 2>work in progress, I guess always