1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliant actor 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Dom Sherwood. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Now. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: He shot to international stardom after playing the leading man 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: in the smash hit supernatural series shadow Hunters, which is 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: based on the best selling young adult fantasy book series 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Claire. Shadow Hunters is a 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: world full of demons and warlocks, werewolves and vampires, and 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: so much more so. If you were looking for your 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: supernatural and mythical fix, well, this show is extremely binge worthy. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: Tom was last seen in his series regular role in 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: the Netflix series Partner Track, or you might recognize him 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: from Showtime's Penny Dreadful City of Angels, or as the 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: lead role Christian in Vampire Academy, among many other credits. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Man he is such a talented artist who completely transforms 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: into whatever character he is playing. Today we dive into 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: the supernatural and mythical world of shadow Hunters. We also 19 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: chat about going after work that fuels your soul, and 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Dom shares how arguably the hottest pop star in the 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: world right now, gave him what he considers his big 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: break Oh man, this was such a great conversation. Dom 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: has so much heart and so much soul, and we 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: really covered everything and anything you can think of. So 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: let's see if today we can get Dom to say 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: something that he's never said before. 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: Dom. 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Surewood, How you doing man. 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Yeah, I'm doing well. 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: How are you? 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: I am fantastic. It's always so nice to catch up 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: with you. I was just saying, the last time we 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: chatted was back in twenty twenty, during the height of 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: the pandemic, So I'm happy to see you under better circumstances. 35 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: No kidding, right, yeah, I mean it couldn't have been 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: much worse. 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: That's for sure. 38 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to the show, psych to have you on this. 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: We're going to talk all about a bunch of different 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: things today and breay one of your fan favorite projects. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: But to kick off the show, I'm always fascinated with 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: this idea in the industry we work in in Hollywood 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: of giving a big break, right, And I know that 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: you credit a certain pop star for giving you one 45 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: of your big breaks, So tell me that's real quick, 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: because it's awesome. 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: It's interesting, like the concept of a big break is 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: kind of an amorphous thing that doesn't really exist. You know, 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 2: most of the people that we assume had a big 50 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 2: break in something, if you go back through their epilogue 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: or their prologue, even there was a huge amount of 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: work leading up to this one opportunity. 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: That gave them, you know, some more notoriety. 54 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: That being said, Taylor Swift, it really did make a 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: change for. 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 3: Me, and this ties very directly in shadows. 57 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: It made a real then in how I was perceived 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: as an actor and as a leading man, especially. 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: So we met at Disney. 60 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Weirdly, she was friends with my girlfriends, and my ex 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: girl friend was dating someone at the time, and her 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: and her boyfriend and then Taylor we went to Disney together. 63 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: That was a long way of way of saying we met. 64 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: And then a couple months later I get this text 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: sort of out of the blue, and I was I 66 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: think I was in the bath because I was living 67 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: with my housemate. My housemate knocks on the bathroom door 68 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: and he's like, hey man, you got a text. And 69 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care, I'm in the bath, Like 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: what are you talking about it? And he goes, well, 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: it's from Taylor Swift. I was like, dove out of 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: the bath and like threw a towel on as quickly 73 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: as like. I was like, what's staying on here? And 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: she said, would you ever consider being in a music video? 75 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: And I said maybe. I assumed that she was sort 76 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: of asking for a friend or whatever it was, said, maybe, 77 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: you know, it would depend who four and what the 78 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: context around it was and whatever, and she said it 79 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: would be for me, and it was just no brainer. 80 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: At that point. I was like, yeah, of course, like 81 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: a hundred percent. Like it's Taylor Swift to you know, 82 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: everyone's in love with her. I was very in love 83 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: with her at the time also, so I had a 84 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: massive crutch. So that was how that transpired. And then yeah, 85 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: we did the video and it was amazing and directed 86 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: by this amazing guy called Kyle Newman, who did most, 87 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: if not all, of the effects in that video if 88 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: you haven't seen it practically, which was incredible because we 89 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: spent birthday filming sort of the reflections and the projections 90 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: and the shadows and all that sort of stuff, and 91 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: then the next day we put it all together. All 92 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: that to say that when the Shadow Hunters audition came around, 93 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: I guess I did the audition. It was with Ed 94 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: Dector and Michael Reese and Cartin and I think I 95 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: got like cabled from that. I think they were like, 96 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: we're not sure about this guy. And I'm pretty sure 97 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: I might be missed speaking here, but I'm pretty sure. 98 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: Michael Reese sort of held my file to one side, 99 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: and I was like, let's just hold another this guy 100 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: because I got a feeling about him. And then when 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: it came time to test for the show, he put 102 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: my name back in the mix and they were like, no, 103 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 2: I don't think we were sure about him. You know whatever. 104 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: Anyone watched this video and they played style and they 105 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: all went, I see, okay, yeah, this guy could be 106 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 2: a leading man. So yeah, very much so in a 107 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: very real way, Taylor sort of gave me the opportunities 108 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: to grow further forward and sort of come out of 109 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: my critic listen to the position that I'm in now, 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: so eternally grateful and will always be eternally grateful to 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: Hurt for that. 112 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: What I love about that story, beyond the tailor of 113 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: it all, is that you just never know when you 114 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: do something creatively what that's going to lead to. 115 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, it happens in 116 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: everyone's career where they're like, oh, I saw you in 117 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: this thing and you're like, really, wow, that's not the 118 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: thing that I would have connected with, this thing that 119 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: I'm now working towards whatever. But yeah, it's one of 120 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: those businesses you just never know. 121 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: So, of course you brought up Shadow Hunters, which is 122 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: one of the most fan favorite projects you've been a 123 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: part of. You've done a lot of great work and 124 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: a lot of different interesting roles, but this one, of course, 125 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: kind of catapulted you into this global superstardom. So for 126 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: everybody listening, what's kind of your elevator pitch on what 127 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters is all about? 128 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: Man. So, the craziest thing about that is we started 129 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: filming eight and a half years ago, almost a decade ago. 130 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: We started caroming that show. 131 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: So to give the elevator pitch season one is like 132 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: recalling a memory that's very distant. I'll trying to sort of 133 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: remember what my carting email said, and it was something 134 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: along the lines of, in a modern day world, everything 135 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: that we've ever imagined, everything that we've ever read about, 136 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: all of the supernatural creatures, they all exist, and there 137 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: is a supernatural fighting court called the Shadow Hunters, who 138 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: they're entired of. 139 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 3: They're born and bred to be soldiers to. 140 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: Keep the human world away from the underworld, the shadow world, 141 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: and that's sort of the basic burden of it. And 142 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: then we get an unknown shadow until who comes in, 143 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: we learn all about the world, and just chaos transgresses 144 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: throughout the rest of the story. Yeah, so that's sort 145 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: of the Bathic Verdon. It doesn't really give anything away 146 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: or introduce anyone. I don't know if I would buy 147 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: into the show based on my pitch just then, but 148 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: that's why that's not my job. That's not what I do. 149 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: Thank god. 150 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Well, you did buy in when you read the casting 151 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: right or when you read the national script. So what 152 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: was it about this theme and this idea and the 153 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: concept made you say, oh man, it would be pretty 154 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: cool to be a part of that. 155 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: First of all, any actor who tells you, except for 156 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: maybe like the A list, any actor who tells you 157 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: like I'm just looking for like specific work, I don't 158 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: know if that's particularly or at least in my case, 159 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: that's not particularly true. 160 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: Like everyone wants to be working. 161 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: And I think there was a statistic I read recently 162 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: that if you're a working actor, consistently working, I think 163 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: you're in the top one percent of all actors in 164 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: the world, which is insane. There are just so many 165 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: actors out there, and so many amazing actors to a 166 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: probably better than me and better looking than me, and 167 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: could have would have loved that opportunity. 168 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: Again, all that to say, when I read. 169 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: This, I think the little boy and me was more 170 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: excited than anything, Like we're going to put you straight 171 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: into like military and my fl arts training. You've been 172 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: playing with a sword and you get to fall in 173 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: love with the girl and you know all of this, 174 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: and it's like supernatural and it's demons and angels and 175 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, and like seven year old 176 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: me is really excited right now and it's really cool 177 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: as hell. And seven year old me is the version 178 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: of me that wanted to be started wanting to be 179 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: an actor. You know, it's never changed since I was 180 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: that age, and I guess that motivation in me has 181 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: never disappeared. The things that I found exciting them are 182 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: still the things that I find exciting now, and they've 183 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: changed a little now into it's not necessarily all you know, 184 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: the blood and guts ort of fighting or setting the 185 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: princess or whatever it is. It's now more a little 186 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: I'm excited to work with people that I've admired since 187 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: I was young, or people that I've started to admind. 188 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: More recently, whatever it is. 189 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: You know. So I just there was a weird example, 190 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: but I just rewatched the Three myth Fears from the nineties, 191 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: the Gifsutherland one, and I forgot how good all of 192 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: the Platt is in that as Portos and I was like, man, 193 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 2: I would love to work with it. And I think 194 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: he's brilliant, like he's really And that's so my motivation 195 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: has changed there. As much as I would love to 196 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: be one of the three Mustiers at some point, of 197 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: course who wouldn't, it was more my mindset is now 198 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: like I wonder what he's like to work I love 199 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: to work with the Plat. I've seen him in such 200 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: amazing stuff. Of course, you know what I mean. So 201 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: my and that's one very specific example, but that's the 202 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: way the motivation has changed a little for me, but 203 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: shadow into specifically, Yeah, it just sort of tipped all 204 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: into the boxes. 205 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right when you think about what the show 206 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: is all about as a little boy, I feel like 207 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: that would be anyone's dream job, right right, yeah, exactly, And. 208 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: You know we got here. They did such a good 209 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 2: job with all of this stuff, and right at the 210 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: beginning stages growing the excitement of the show. You know, 211 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: we walked on to This has happened twice in my 212 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: life where I walked on and I was like, Wow, 213 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: We've read the script so many times and this is 214 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: the this is the theat that we're going to be 215 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: working on. And the two big ones I remember were 216 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: Danny Waters, who wrote Vampire Academy and also wrote you know, 217 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: headers and all of these other amazing things. When I 218 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: did Vampire Academy, a lot of a lion's share of 219 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: my scenes happen in this sort of attic library, and 220 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: he was like, have you seen the library? And I 221 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: was like no, I was already freaking out through a 222 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: time which is the most amazing studio. And a little 223 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: takeaway here. My dad used to work at Pinewood in 224 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: post production many years ago, and I used to take 225 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: sickids school and just be like, oh Dad, I'm not 226 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: feeling well. Maybe I should come to work with you. 227 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: And I go to work and I'd see all these 228 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: cool studios, like the double oh seventh stage, and he'd 229 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: walk me through and like, this is where Batman was filmed, 230 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: and this is where they did the car chase in 231 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: one of the James Bond movies or whatever it is. 232 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: And there's still all of this memorabilia and like set 233 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: pieces up on the walls. It's so exciting. And then 234 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 2: I think it was around fifteen years to like the 235 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: week that I walked on set for the first time 236 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: for a movie that I was in Pinewood Studios. 237 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: It was the most exciting thing. 238 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: I had a little cry over it, which is a 239 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: little embarrassing because like Claire Foy was sating next to 240 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: me in the car and I was like, ah, man, 241 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: she's really but she was a little loveliest. She was like, 242 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, I get it. This is an exciting thing. 243 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm as excited to you. Anyway. All that today again, 244 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: when I got set that day, Danny came up and 245 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: he said, hey, man, have you seen the library seat? 246 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I haven't coming in. It 247 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: was all roped off because nobody's been in there yet. 248 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: And he took me under the ropes and I was like, Wow, 249 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: holy shit, this is this is what I've been reading 250 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: about for the last six months. I've been preparing for 251 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: this for six months. Incredible and the same with Shadow 252 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: Onto is the birthday we got to walk onto the 253 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: Institute set and it was real, like, wow, this is 254 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: going to be our home for I mean at the 255 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: time we didn't know, but this is going to be 256 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: our home for the next four and a half years. 257 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 2: This is what we're going to spend most of our lives, 258 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 2: all day, every day in this place. And there's something 259 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: really I don't want to use the word magical because 260 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: it sounds a little bit frivy all but there really 261 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: isn't a synonym to try and to describe how I 262 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: felt during that It was it was magical. It's like 263 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: chills all over your body and it's a really exciting thing. 264 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's clear to me you love the process of 265 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: making series and films, and you know, to still be 266 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: dazzled by something like that after working so many years 267 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: in an industry as you have, I think is really 268 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: cool because it keeps your passion alive for it, you know, totally. 269 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: Totally and these these guys and gals who do I 270 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: mean set up and locations as well. They work hand 271 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: in hand. I mean, most crew are like the unsung 272 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: heroes of what we do. We're sort of the face 273 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: of it, but so much goes on behind the themes 274 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: that people don't really. 275 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: Pay enough attention to and the oh my god. 276 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, when we did Penny John Logan gave me, put 277 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: me in this golf cart and gave me a little 278 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: run through of where the set was, and Penny built 279 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 2: like three blocks of nineteen thirty eight Los Angeles, and 280 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: they built it twice, so they had three blocks of 281 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty eight Los Angelis where the Latinas and the 282 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: Latinos lived, the Latin community, that's where they were. 283 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 3: And then we had a stage. 284 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: At the Disney lot that was redressed to the nineteen 285 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: thirties of Lost Angelis as well, and it was all 286 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: functioning buildings. It was like three blocks in every direction 287 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: of functioning buildings. It was the most insane thing I've 288 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: ever Feena Mines Firelfe And it's someone's job to put 289 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: this together, which is just mind blowing. It's and we 290 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: don't think we appord those people enough in film and 291 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: TV because they do the most spectacular. I mean imagine, 292 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: honestly at the institute looked like shit. In Shadow Hunters, 293 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: I don't think we would be having this conversation. I 294 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: think maybe would have done a couple of episodes that 295 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: would bet the end of it, you know, like they 296 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 2: immersing us in the world is it's. 297 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: Their job, birth and foremost. 298 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: And I haven't worked with a single person who's ever 299 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: not immersed me in that world. 300 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 301 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: No, they certainly did a phenomenal job immersing the audience 302 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: in that you know, supernatural, mythical world. 303 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: And as did you. 304 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: You you know, you played this kind of narcissistic playboy, 305 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: you know, leader, How much fun was. 306 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: That for you? 307 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: It was fun in the beginning. 308 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: So he starts very much like that, and it's all 309 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: so I knew even from the breakdown, like very early on, 310 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: I knew that this was all just a mask. It's 311 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: all just a visage to cover the pain that he's 312 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: struggling with internally. So which is interesting because the I 313 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 2: played this role once were when I was very young, 314 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: and he sort of struck me as at least emotionally, 315 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: as sort of a Macutier of the groups, like less 316 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 2: funny but more just sort of the cocky, brash guy 317 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: who kind of believes himself, but all for the wrong reasons, 318 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: like it's all a cover of something else. 319 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: And I love that because Marcutio. 320 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: Is one of my favorite tits fearing characters. But we 321 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: I knew that even in those first few episodes where 322 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: everything was light and fun and he was just enjoying himself, 323 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: the disaster as well on the way and that fundation 324 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: really last very long for poor Jason. 325 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: It lasted about. 326 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: Three episodes before everything started to go down and toilet 327 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: for him. But that being said to deal with, so 328 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: I get asked this question quite a lot. You know, 329 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: what is the most exhausting thing that you can do 330 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: on set and especially in relationships? Shadow on is because 331 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: the fight scenes were so intense, and we probably did 332 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: ninety percent of the fight stuff ourselves and our stunt 333 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: guys were incredible, but the Sun coordinates has bought us 334 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: in such a way that we felt capable to do this. Anyway, 335 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: those aren't the most exhausting scenes for me at least. 336 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: The most exhausting scenes are the emotionally difficult ones, the 337 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: ones where you really struggle to you know, if you're 338 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: crying or whatever. If you're connected to that sort of thing, 339 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: you go home and you have nothing left in you emotionally. 340 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: And all I can do is fall asleep. 341 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: Or we got very good at rallying around each other 342 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 2: when those days happened, and like, you know, Matt or 343 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: Alberta or whoever would call me up and go and 344 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: then you need a couple of drinks tonight, and I'm like, yeah, 345 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I think I do, but I'm still crying, you know. 346 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: And you know, we'd rally around each other for whatever 347 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: it was, which was a very nice community to feel 348 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: safe to do this sort of stuff. But yeah, it's 349 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: interesting that the bun stuff didn't last so long, and 350 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: it was fun for the most part. But the stuff 351 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: that I remember deepis is the more emotionally I mean 352 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: I did more of this anyway, but the more sort 353 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: of emotionally difficult stuff. 354 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: That's the stuff that stuck with me. 355 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: Also a lot with your love story throughout the series. 356 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: With lovely Kat Makamayer, who's one of my parents. I 357 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: saw her a couple of nights ago. She came over 358 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: for a glass of wine and yeah, yeah, and she 359 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: was saying how much fun she had working with you 360 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: and exploring that storyline over such a long period of time. 361 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: So when she was auditioning and you guys were trying 362 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: to find that role, you voiced that you thought she 363 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: would be great, right, You were kind of part of 364 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: the process. 365 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, to an extent. Yeah, I think we had McGee 366 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: on already, who was our producer throughout, and he directed 367 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: the pilot, and I think what McGee wants, McGee gets 368 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: my whatever my voiced opinion was didn't seem to make 369 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: very much difference. But yes, I was a part of 370 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: the canting process in that me and Alberto, I think, 371 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: will cast first for some reason. Is no telling why 372 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff happens, right. 373 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: But we were cast first. 374 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: Then I came in I read with So there was 375 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: one girl that they really liked. Originally, I'm going to 376 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: leave all of these people nameless except for Cat. Obviously 377 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: she got the job, so everyone knows that that's how 378 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: the story ends. There was one guy that they really 379 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: liked for some reason that we couldn't quite make it work, 380 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: and I forget what the reasoning was behind it, but 381 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: I remember leaving those sessions of pre me being cast. 382 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: I think they were trying to cast us together. And 383 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: I remember leaving those sessions that I call my manager 384 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: and go, hey, man, I really don't think it's going well, 385 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: like I don't think I've got this one. And they 386 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: called it in another two times to do these work sessions, 387 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: and then. 388 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: I got a call saying, hey, you got the role. 389 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: It didn't work out with this other one, so we 390 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: need you to come back in and do another session 391 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: of tests with these clarities. And I knew a couple 392 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: of the girls who were coming in and I worked 393 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: with them. Oh no, that wasn't for the test. That 394 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: was for the auditions. See there's not long ago. It 395 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: wasn't that almost the decade of Mixed Memories. So I 396 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: did one test session. I think it was between five 397 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: and ten young women, all did a fantastic job. And 398 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 2: then they came in and did another session and Kat 399 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: was in that session. And this is the old school 400 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: test thing where you know now it's it's essentially this 401 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: conversation that we have sort of the in zoom that's 402 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: how we test now. Really, or at least my last 403 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: sort of four or five have been this way old 404 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 2: school test thing. 405 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you're in an auditorium on. 406 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: The Disney lot, and there are fifty people in front 407 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: of you, each one of whom has the opinion that 408 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: could make or break this shot for you. And it's 409 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: like a horrifying experience. So if you're the person who's 410 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: already been cast, I mean one, you don't want to 411 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: fuck up because you don't want them to go, oh, 412 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: maybe we were wrong about this guy, you know what 413 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: I mean. 414 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 3: They like ast your things, So it's still a little 415 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: nerve wracking. But also the most important thing. 416 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: I think in that scenario is to make sure that 417 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: everyone feels as comfortable as possible. 418 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: So you know, when the girls came in, I'd opened 419 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: the door for. 420 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Them and say, hey, are you doing Do you have 421 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: any questions for me? Before these guys chime in, like 422 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: do you want me to do anything specific for you? 423 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: Is there anything that would help? And you know, we 424 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: had a little chat and we'd ease into it whatever, 425 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: and then I would leave and I would open the 426 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: door for the great job, well done, a fantastic job, 427 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And when we did the same process 428 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: for everyone, you know, everyone did an amazing job. I 429 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: did it for the cat and I opened the door 430 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: and she came up She gave me a big hug 431 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: as I was opening the door and I could see 432 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: over her shoulder. I could see everyone's faces and I 433 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: just thought, fifty faces go. I was like, so she's 434 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: got this one. This is and I could a loud 435 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: from then on now, I was like, everyone's you just 436 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: got yourself. That's roll a good job. 437 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to imagine anyone butt you two playing 438 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: that those parts. It was just so gratifying to watch 439 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: the journey and to see you know that you guys 440 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: are really friends too. I think that always makes a difference. 441 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: I feel like, not everyone you work with, of course 442 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: you're going to be super close too, but when you 443 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: can build out the poor I think it's a really 444 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: awesome thing. 445 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, after one hundred percent. 446 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: And I say this a lot in reference especially to 447 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: shows like this, where you do have to drop some 448 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: emotional sort of barriers to get through, and then also 449 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: the physical stuff as well. It's trust. You have the 450 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: trust for people opposite you, and if you don't then 451 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: I mean the physical stuff. The answer is obvious. If 452 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: you don't, it's dangerous. Someone's going to get hurt. You know. 453 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: Some of the swords. The swords were this is an 454 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: interesting little non secretar So the swords were rubber eyed 455 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: to the tip bend. You can't really ever get stabbed 456 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: with them. That being said, the edges of them are 457 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 2: they're still rubber. They're not going to cut you, but 458 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: they're still quite hard. So it's kind of like getting 459 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: hit with like a big, quite heavy, sort of five pounds. 460 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: Rubber based all that. 461 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: So you get hit by it, it sucks, like you 462 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: don't it's not something you want to do. And then 463 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: also we had a couple of days where we found 464 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: this where we were doing five scenes, you like, oh 465 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: my god, this is a real problem and there's just 466 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: no way that anyone could have thought that this was 467 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: going to happen. It got so cold that the rubber 468 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: eyes tips froze in place and they were solid. 469 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 3: So those fights. 470 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: Became like, you really do need to get out of 471 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: the way of these swords because they actually are sharp now. 472 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: And we don't know how it happened, but that was 473 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: an interesting thing anyway. Again, you know, that's that's a 474 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: big part of where this trust comes from. And then 475 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: the emotional stuff, at least in my experience, and maybe 476 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: this is just because I'm still learning, still figguring my 477 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: stuff out. But if you don't trust the birth and 478 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: opposite you, like, even physically, I find it very difficult 479 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: to produce tears if I don't work with you correctly, 480 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: if I don't trust you, if I don't feel like 481 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: you trust me, the vibe is all off, and then 482 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: I find it very difficult, and oftentimes in that situation 483 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: will have to cheat and use tartic. Not that it's 484 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: really cheating necessarily, but it doesn't feel to me as 485 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: sort of organic, and the trust that we've built within 486 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: that community was kind of second to not to be honest, 487 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: in't really found that again. I hadn't been on a 488 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: show for four years since then, so who knows. Maybe 489 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: I hope it all happen again. I would love for 490 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: it to happen again, but it was. It was quite 491 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: a special experience with these guys, and you know they're 492 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: going to be They're going to be my friends and 493 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: family for the rest of my life. 494 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: It's quite evident that you guys have a super close bond, 495 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: and I think when you're dealing with the show like this, 496 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: something that interests me the most is, you know, in 497 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: the world of fantasy and supernatural. It can very easily 498 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: be unrelatable and sometimes cross over to corny in certain 499 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: shows that I've seen. But with the show like this, 500 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: you guys covered real shit. I mean you covered race relations, 501 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: you covered sexuality, you covered things that people go through, 502 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: and I think as a viewer it makes it all 503 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: the more captivating a watch, so I imagine as an actor 504 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: on the show, it makes it that much more engaging 505 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: and interesting too. 506 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 3: The one hundred percent yeah, I mean it's interesting because 507 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: a lot of that stuff, so the race relations stuff. 508 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: I was involved in a little and it's it's trending 509 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: a really delicate balance where you want to tell these 510 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: stories but you don't want anyone to feel. 511 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 3: Offended or uncomfortable as well. 512 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: But I think eventually you have to sort of get 513 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: to a place where you're like, I think to make 514 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: this forward movement in anything, you are going to have 515 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: to make people feel uncomfortable at some point, like whatever. 516 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 3: It is that. 517 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: I do think that especially a sort of I wouldn't 518 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: call it teeny base for a young adult fantasy show. 519 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: I think a lot of what the responsibility is there 520 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: and a lot of what we've seen through fan interactions posts, 521 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: the show, and even during the show is young people 522 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: discovering parts of. 523 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: Themselves that they didn't necessarily know that that was there. 524 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: Whether it's you know, people who came out as gay, 525 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: or people were struggling with mental health. I get quite 526 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: a lot because Jason was going through such a difficult 527 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: mental struggle, or even just we hear this a lot. 528 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: And this is really special that people were sort of 529 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: given the strength by the show to overcome or to combat, 530 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: or to come out to their parents or whatever. And 531 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: that's a really special thing. That being said, I do 532 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: think and I've said this a countless fan who told 533 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: me that Jase gave me the power to overcome, you know, 534 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: my mental health issues. Whatever it is, the truth is, 535 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: and for everyone listening or watching, the truth is that 536 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: that strength was within you as a person, always, that 537 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: lived within you. What we did maybe was either a 538 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: nice distraction or some commonality, some common grounds that you 539 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: found that helped you access that strength. 540 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 3: But that strength came from you. 541 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: We didn't give you anything. That strength always lived within 542 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: you and will always live within you, and it's always 543 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: something that you can harker back to as and when 544 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 2: you need it. But that being said to hear that 545 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: we had an impact on, especially these young lives that 546 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: sometimes do need their handheld through things. I know I 547 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: certainly did still do at times. That's a really lovely 548 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: thing because we got to do what we love and 549 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: also it had an impact on lives and that's amazing. 550 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually going to challenge you a little bit 551 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: because I think, yes, the strength is inside of the person, 552 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: but I don't agree that you guys didn't also give 553 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: that strength because I think when somebody's watching something like 554 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: your show and they feel unseen by everybody around them, 555 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: and suddenly they see themselves in that character, it does 556 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: allow them to feel like, oh my god, that character 557 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: is giving me the strength to realize my own. So 558 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: I do think it goes both ways. I think you 559 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: got to give yourself a little more credit. 560 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: Well that's very sweet, and I appreciate that. Maybe you're right, 561 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know everything. Between me and my brother, 562 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: we know everything, but. 563 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I totally get the sentiment. But yeah, I 564 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: think it's definitely a symbiotic relationship. And I think that's 565 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: also a large reason why when the show ended up 566 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: getting canceled because of network changes and whatever. The reasons 567 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: were the fandom wasn't having it. Man, there were campaigns 568 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: out the show was trending. There were billboards in New York. 569 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there were hardcore, boots on the ground campaigns 570 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: to keep the show going. And I imagine hearing and 571 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: seeing that was just totally mind blowing to know your 572 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: work meant that much to people. 573 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the guys who put this campaign together 574 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: really went above and beyond anything we could have expected. 575 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: I mean more than that, it was really quite humbling 576 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: to see how effective the show had been, as you say, 577 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: with so many people. As for the reasons, we still 578 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: don't know to this day. We were never told. If 579 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 2: it was a numbers that went down thing, if it 580 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: was a money thing, if it was the network changing hand, 581 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: we don't know. They didn't tell us, And we get 582 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 2: asked a lot if you know what happened? Is they 583 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: ever coming back? I'm like, I don't know. I don't 584 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: know if they asked maybe, you know, if they asked 585 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: me to come back, there's always scope there for me 586 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: to do that, But I don't know. Maybe we just 587 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: don't know what happened. We were all we were all devastated. 588 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: That being said, It was a real kindness of the 589 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: studio to give us two episodes to finish the show. 590 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: That didn't happen very often. In fact, it almost never happened, 591 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: so to be given the gift of being able to 592 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: round off the story the way we wanted to rather 593 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: than leaving it. However, the original episode twenty would have ended, 594 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: which I don't even remember because I think we changed 595 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: it to continue through twenty one twenty to finish the story. 596 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: That was something really special to do. And the way 597 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: the story rounded out, I think everyone was very happy 598 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: with and we got very lucky. 599 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: Todd, who was our. 600 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: Showrunner, actually came on and directed the last two episodes. 601 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: He never directed us before, and we were all I 602 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: told Todd this, which did I live embarrassing. We were 603 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: all a bit like it's a job. He doesn't know 604 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: the crew and you know how it works. Like he 605 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 2: spent most of the time in La We're in Toronto, 606 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: Like how's he going to and he fit in like 607 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: a puzzle piece. It was the most insane thing every 608 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: morning he did. And this is something I agree with 609 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: an actor, not the performance wise, but also interactions. I 610 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: try and like absorb the behaviors that I like and 611 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 2: reject the ones that I that I don't like. And 612 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: Todd did this thing every morning that I like to 613 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: try and encapsulate in every job that I've done since 614 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: he would thank a different department for whatever the job 615 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: they'd done that day. So if we came in step Deek, 616 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: for example, had done an amazing job, he would gather 617 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 2: everyone around and we'd applaud set deck because they've done 618 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: such an amazing job, or if it was lighting or 619 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: costumes or sound or whoever it was. And it was 620 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: like the first thing we did in the morning. And 621 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: some of these mornings we started like five ay end, 622 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: we've already been in the makeup trailer for an hour, 623 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Like people are tired, people are sleepy, and to start 624 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: your day with such a level of positivity, it's just magical. 625 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: And it changed sort of the aspect that it wasn't 626 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: we're filming these lasts too, that's sad. It's like, wow, 627 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: we're filming these last too, And then it seems like 628 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: we're going out in a bag. 629 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 3: And that's what. 630 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: The show holds such a special place in your heart still, 631 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: and you're someone who likes to revisit it and talk 632 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: about it and reflect, and I think that it says 633 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: a lot about the artist you are. And you're clearly passionate, 634 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: and you dive into your characters and you like to 635 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: play different roles and characters. I'm curious to know who 636 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: is Dom Sherwood without the acting? Is it that one? 637 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Is hard to separate it to you? 638 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: Who knows? That's a question for my therapist. Yeah, right, 639 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: get her on next. No, Dom show is a very 640 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: simple creature, is the real truth? Like I love my animals, 641 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: I love my friends, I love my family. I like doing, 642 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, stuff that is probably going to get me hurt, 643 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: and does get me hurt every now and then. I 644 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: like climbing rocks. And this is the same again, going 645 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: back to like the seven year old version of me 646 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: who was like, I'm going to climb that tree and 647 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: my Mum's like, you shouldn't flind that tree. It's too 648 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: that tree. I climbed the tree and I break myrt. 649 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: That's what that's always been who I am. And I'm 650 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: still like exactly that person, even posts. I did a 651 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: movie called a Racer just after COVID and post a Racer. 652 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: I was rock climbing with my girlfriend and I came 653 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: off the wall and just shafted my ankle. It was 654 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: like that, I've always been that person always, Like I 655 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: knew the nurses are our local hospital by first name 656 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: by the time I was like twelve, it was that's 657 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: just there's who I am. But but yeah, I'm a 658 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: simple guy. Like right before, this is why I was late. 659 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: This is really embarrassing. I was playing video games with 660 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: my buddies back in England. I'm sorry that happened to 661 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: my manager tech and I was like, so I got 662 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: they got to go like into my microphone like turn 663 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: up my things, which is really embarrassing. But like, I'm 664 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: a very simple guy, you know. I like hanging out 665 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: with my friends. I like getting hugs from my pets. 666 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: I like having a drink and doing some silly extreme sports. 667 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: That's kind of it. 668 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: Are you able to relish in the successes that you've 669 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: had and take a step back and feel proud and 670 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: accomplished in what you've done. Are you the type to 671 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: always be like, Okay, what's next? 672 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: One? Am I doing? 673 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: What's the next plan? How do you balance that relationship? 674 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: Because I look at you and think, oh my god, 675 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: you've had so much more success as an actor than 676 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: people could dream of in their entire careers. 677 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: How do you view that? It's interesting, You're so right. 678 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: It's again like that seven year old version of me 679 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: that made the decision, like we're going to be an 680 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: actor one day, that's what we're going to do. And 681 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: I was like a mad if I told him that 682 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 2: I was in a music video with Taylor Swift. Who 683 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: would have lost his mind if I told him that 684 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: I did a movie with Mark two did Mean Girls 685 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: and Zoe Deutsch and Lucy Bry and Claire Foy and 686 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: all of these incredible actors, Joey Richardson, like all of 687 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: these incredible people, he would have lost his mind even more. 688 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: If I care it could then tell them that I did. 689 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: I followed that up with a series that I was 690 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: the lead on that I did for four and a 691 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: half years that people across the world loved. And you 692 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: still get stopped in the street, even after the show's 693 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: been off the air for five years, you still get 694 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: stopped on the street acting for photos. It's poor little 695 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 2: head of a blown up, you know what I mean. 696 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: So there's a real humility. 697 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: I get reminded of that by myself by my own hubris, 698 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 2: very very often the place that I'd imagined myself being 699 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: when they said being an actor was like community theater 700 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: and as long as they had enough money to eat 701 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: and pay my rent. And I'm in a good spot 702 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: and everything's happy. So I have surpassed my wildest expectations. 703 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: That being said, again, I think what makes an artist amazing. 704 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: I think what makes the best of the best the 705 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: best of the best is they're consistently trying to challenge themselves. 706 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: I think everything is that. This one of the depth. 707 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: And I enjoyed this and I loved this, and my 708 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: next thing, I want to push myself harder. It doesn't 709 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: need to be so this is an interesting parallel. So 710 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: finish shadow answers, love shadow answers. Really enjoyed it. 711 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: And immediately afterwards, I'm not going to name the show, 712 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: but I got offered another young adult show and the 713 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: character's name was Jonathan Morgenstern, and I was like, I can't. 714 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: I just did this. I can't. I can't do the 715 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: exact same thing again. I just can't do it. I 716 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: need something that I want to really push myself and 717 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: challenge myself. And there were a couple of things that 718 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: came up. 719 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: And we're like, maybe, I don't know, I'm not. 720 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: Sure, And then Penny came up, and Penny was for 721 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: anyone who hasn't seen it, I play. I play a 722 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: bad guy, really dark character who also has this this 723 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: very complex relationship with Michael Gladis, who's just the most 724 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: amazing actor. I absolutely adore the man. And that was 725 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: a no brainer. That was like, yeah, this is you know, 726 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: strong Logan and Natalie Dormer and Nate Lane and Dan 727 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 2: Zevato and Lorenzo I though, who I bumped into yesterday, 728 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: which is my absolute range, is the sweetest, And that 729 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: was a no brainer. Job that's going to push me 730 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: and it's going to make me make choices that I've 731 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: never had to do before. I had to physically work 732 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: quite hard to look the way they wanted me to 733 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 2: look for, sort of the nineteen thirty eight surfer kind 734 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: of body, and it was a very different challenge. All 735 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: that to say that it was a much smaller role 736 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: comparatively to shadow Hunters. It was like pay wise was 737 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: much less than I think it was like seventy percent 738 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: less than my pay for the shadow Hunters, but none 739 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 2: of that matters. What mattered to me was this is 740 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: a job that is going to challenge me, and that's 741 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: what that's what I would like. 742 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: I would like to be challenged, and each each step. 743 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: On sort of the challenge ladder, brings me up to 744 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: that point, so I'm ready to reach for the next challenge, 745 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: the next step, and keep myself moving forward that way, 746 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: because what the brave dignition and death for an artist 747 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: or whatever it is, and that's what I'd like to 748 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: try and avoid, is dignition. If I'm moving, I would 749 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: at least like to move sideways. So if it's not 750 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: a step forward or what I would consider to be 751 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: a step forward, which is different for everybody, of course, 752 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: at least it's a step to something different, you know, 753 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: a different challenge, whatever it is, even the movement from 754 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: I mean posts Penny, we got hit by COVID, so 755 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: nobody worked for pretty much a year, and then the 756 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: next job was a racer and they were like, we're 757 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: going to have you trained by the Navy seals and 758 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 2: by US martals. I was like, amazing, let's do it, 759 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: you know, And that's I spent my tail end of 760 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: COVID in the gym three four. 761 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 3: Hours a day. 762 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: We couldn't meet anyone because it was we were still 763 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 2: in COVID. But I was on on like face signs 764 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 2: and stuff like learning how to field strip weapons and 765 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: do sort of basic versions of buds which is fa 766 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 2: underwater demolition sorts or. 767 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 3: The Navy seals go through which I didn't. 768 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: Do buds just to be clear, just to be full 769 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 2: that they were like do like fifteen proage outs and 770 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: that's like kind of buds. And I was like, I 771 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: don't think it is. I've seen the videos of how 772 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 2: this runs, and I think this is fite right. But 773 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: another challenge, you know, another thing that was like, ah, 774 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: this is another step. And then Partner Track followed that, 775 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: and then that was another really exciting challenge. There wasn't 776 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: any physical drama in Partner, which was something different for me. 777 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 2: It was all law. It was jargon, and that's I 778 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: had to understand that. The first thing I did is 779 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: I got we were mergered in acquisitions lawyers. So I 780 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 2: got M and A for dummies and I started reading 781 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 2: through that and none of it made any sense. And 782 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: then I started applying bits that I was learning from 783 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: that for the script and understanding why this is a challenge, 784 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 2: and so on and so forth, and that's how I 785 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: like to pretty through my career with the grounding of 786 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 2: I'm exceptionally lucky to be in this place. 787 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: I have surpassed my wildest dreams right now where I 788 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: am in this place. 789 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: But also the dream was to continue moving and continue growing. 790 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: I would like to continue doing that. 791 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: Also, I think it's really inspiring when someone like you 792 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: says you don't have to say yes to everything, and 793 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: it's very much about quality and not having to always 794 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: do something just to be seen. For example, like there 795 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: are things I'm working on that I've been working on 796 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: since the beginning of this year that nobody knows about, 797 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that because it's putting in the 798 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: work right now, it's not time to talk about it, 799 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: post about it, share anything related to it, because it's 800 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: going to be something that's a long game. And I 801 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: think we often lose sight of that mentality and it's 802 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: just about maybe a little vanity, maybe being seen, maybe 803 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: looking popular, or maybe looking needed or wanted or in demand. 804 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: And when you take a step back and allow yourself 805 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: to really figure out what you want, that's when the 806 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: magic happens, man, So I love that you share that 807 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: mentality as well. 808 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I not a waste. I'll tell you that, not 809 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: a waste. There are definitely times where I think, and 810 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: like you said, I think we all fall into these 811 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 2: traps on occasion where we think, ah, man, I don't 812 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: feel whether it's personal or professional life, like I don't 813 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 2: feel valued or loved or whatever. 814 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 3: Maybe I should take this thing that's going to promote 815 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 3: that sense of whatever. 816 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: And I have one very good friend, Elliot Knight, who 817 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 2: has always been very good at this is not what 818 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: I want to do. Is I'm worth this, or I'm 819 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 2: good at this, or this is what I'm trying to 820 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: do right now, whatever it is. And he's the sweetest 821 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: knife oft guy, and every now and then. 822 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 3: I need to see him. 823 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: For a liberal reminder of like right, like, I do 824 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 2: have work here and I'm very happy with where I am, 825 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 2: and honestly, his career is absolutely amazing, and he's the 826 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 2: most phenomenal actors and enjoyed to watch anyone out there. 827 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: If you haven't watched anything he's been at you really shit. 828 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: But he Yeah, we have these people around us that 829 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: every now and then you need a reminder of like 830 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 2: you're doing good path, Like everything's good, You're doing a 831 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: good job, and just forget the noise around you. You're 832 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: still on the path that you want to be on. 833 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: And sometimes Sarah's feat bumps in it and you've got 834 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: to go over them more around them, but you're going. 835 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: To end up back on the road. 836 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: And it's a daily practice to have that mentality. Like 837 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: you said, we all sometimes fall off of it, and 838 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: yet we do things and we're like, oh, man, should 839 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: I have done that? It's not what I really wanted, 840 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: And that's human. We're human. But to keep in mind 841 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: that we should be going after things that truly fuels us, 842 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: I think is such a great goal and endgame for 843 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: all of us. You're someone who clearly is a a 844 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: dreamer and a believer and a worker, and you really 845 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: set yourself up for a life that you want and 846 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: you value the work that you do, and you seem 847 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: very open and sharing your thoughts and everything you've talked 848 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: about today. But in honor of the show name, which 849 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: is called I've never said this before, I'm curious to 850 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: know if anything comes to mind, if there is something 851 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: that you really haven't said before, whether it's silly or 852 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: deep and you just feel like sharing it. 853 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I have a personal divide between what I 854 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: will share publicly and what I will share privately, and 855 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: I think everyone should have that, even if you're not 856 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 2: in the public eye, I think you should have These 857 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: are certain people that I will share this with, and 858 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 2: these are certain people that share this with. However, something 859 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 2: that I haven't said publicly out before, I think, I mean, 860 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: I have said this, but I'll say it a thousand 861 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: times over. And this isn't me saying that. Either I 862 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: heard this quote and it stuck with me. Your happiness 863 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: comes from you, right, So the person who like cut 864 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: you off or gave you the finger or whatever on 865 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 2: the road, I don't owe them my happiness. I'm not 866 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: going to give them any of my happiness. They just 867 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: tried to take a little bit of it, and it's 868 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 2: not on them. It's not there, it's not up to them. 869 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: And it's something I'm trying to practice more and more 870 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 2: in my life is that I'm not giving up my 871 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 2: happiness for anybody. I'm happy to share it with someone 872 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 2: who makes me happy, but I'm not giving it up 873 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 2: for someone who wants to take it away, and I mean, 874 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm still learning how to function with this in my 875 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 2: life because there are four times when someone gives. 876 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 3: You the thing on the road, I'm like you, but 877 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: you know it straight back, like but I need to. 878 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 2: I's sort of a meditative process or you just take 879 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: a second and you go, Okay, he's not allowed by happiness, 880 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 2: as my happiness is coming from me, and I'm going 881 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 2: to keep that coming from me as much as I 882 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: physically can. So I know I've said before, so I'm 883 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: sort of cheating in relation to the title, But if 884 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to say anything, that was it. 885 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: I love that and I think that's a message worth 886 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: saying time and time again. Tom, I so appreciate you 887 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: coming on and being open and vulnerable. And I think 888 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: in this day and age, it's always really cool when 889 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: I meet other dudes who are happy to really talk 890 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: about real shit and who aren't so guarded and know 891 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: that when we have these types of conversations, Yes, we 892 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: celebrated your work, but then we talked about a lot 893 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: of personal things. And when we have those conversations, it 894 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: makes us all feel like we're all in one boat, 895 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: and I think that's so valuable. 896 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Hey, thank you Tommy. 897 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: Anytime you want to chat, you know how to get 898 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 2: hold of me, so please do because these are always 899 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 2: starting a way. 900 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, tom We'll be in touch and 901 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: keep rerocking it. I look forward to seeing where you 902 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: pop up next. 903 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 2: You too, brother, you too come wait. 904 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario. 905 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Piglisi at iHeartRadio 906 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. 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