1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Eric Holder. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: He and I sat down and talked about let's kind 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: of look back and see what is it that we 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: didn't accomplish and what were the reasons why we were 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: not as successful as we might have been. And we 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: looked at a variety of things, and you know it, 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: really we kind of tried to fall well, why why, 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: And we really came to the conclusion that jerry mandering 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: was a problem that prevented him from getting in full 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: his agenda, although he had significant accomplishments. And now as 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: we looked more, we said, you know, and a lot 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: of the stuff that's coming out of the states is 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: unpopular and nevertheless gets passed, and that was also as 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: a result of gerrymandering in state legislatures. And so he said, 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: all right, let's go after that problem. And so we 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: formed up the National Democratic Redistricting Committee in January of 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen to really promote fairness in the redistricting process. 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Republicans had put together through a thing called Project red 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: Map in twenty twenty eleven. Jerry manders in a whole 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: variety of states that have endured endure through the course 21 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: of that whole decade and put in place measures at 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: the state level that you know, people didn't like, but 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: nevertheless Republicans did it and didn't suffer any political consequence 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: because of the jerry manders. And then we had a 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: jerrymandered House of Representatives. And if you look when we 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: started out, Democrats had to overperform by about twenty two 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: percent in order to get to fifty to fifty in 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: the House of Representatives. As a result, but we've done, 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: that number is now just about one and a half 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: percent something like that. We can actually, you know, actually 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: handle that. And so we've promoted fairness, and that is 32 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: fairness has almost been like a weapon for us. We 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: use that word. People like the idea that citizens ought 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: to choose who their representatives are, as opposed to politicians 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: picking their their voters. And so that's why we have 36 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: been engaged in this in this fightjourney general. 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: So much of what you tried to achieve and pursue 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen had a little bit of its origin story. 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: And what happened with the Shelby County decision of the 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, a five to four decision in twenty thirteen 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: remind everybody what happened at the Supreme Court in twenty thirteen. 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, the Supreme Court, as you said, in a 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: five to four decision, Chief Justice Roberts writing for the majority, 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: and he stated very famously in his majority opinion that 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: America has changed. And as a result, they used that 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: as the basis to take from the Justice Department the 47 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: ability that it had to pre clear changes that states 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: wanted to make when it came to all kinds of 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: electoral things, whether it was how lines were drawn with 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: regard to certain districts where polling places should be opened 51 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 2: or closed, where voter purges should be allowed. Took away 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: from the Justice Department the ability to challenge states when 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: they tried to do these things, and that has had 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 2: a really negative impact. We have seen poll closures all 55 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: around the country. It's one of the reasons why you 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: see long lines in certain states, who've seen voter purges 57 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: that disproportionately occur in communities of color and places where 58 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: Democrats are perceived to live. A whole range of things 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: has happened since the Shelby County case. It's taken the 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: Justice Department not off the field, but certainly taken away 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: from the Justice Department a lot of the tools that 62 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 2: it once had. 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: And so, you know, in an effort to sort of 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: push back, you've been you know, a big party organization 65 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: is also highlighting some of those purges as it relates 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: to the voting roles, highlighting some of what is just 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: overt voter suppression activities as it relates to reducing the 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: number of polling options and places. 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: What you know, And it led to a lot of victories. 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: And I think what I'd love to highlight is not 71 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: just the problem, but some of your success in terms 72 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: of of what your organization has been able to achieve. 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: And I want to get back to prov fifty. 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I want to get back to what's happening not just 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: in Texas but across this country at this moment. But 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about what you were 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: able to achieve with the organization in twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: over the course of the last decade or so. 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you look at the 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: work that we have done since twenty seventeen, by you know, 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: focusing using a state based strategy, different strategy, you know, 82 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: depending on the state, by supporting candidates who would stand 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: for fairness, by challenging laws that were put in place 84 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: or procedures that were being used in a variety of states, 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: by raising the consciousness of people about the importance of 86 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: fair redistricting, by standing for independent commissions and trying to 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: get those in states wherever we quit and where it's interesting, 88 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: wherever we tried to get an independent commission, whether it 89 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: was a red state or a blue state, people overwhelmingly 90 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: supported them. We got them in a Missouri, we got 91 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: them in Utah, and then Republican legislatures, you know, did 92 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: things to the efforts that we had with the people 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: always supported them, and so that's what we have done, 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: use those different tools, and as a result, we ended 95 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 2: up with maps in twenty twenty four that a lot 96 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: of analysts, as well as The New York Times said 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: produced the fairest maps you know in generations now, fairest, 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: but not totally fair. There are still states that are 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: are still jury mannered. If you look at Texas, if 100 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: you look at Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, there are 101 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: still places that still are still jury mannered and are 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: still a focus of our work. 103 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: And a big part of just the jury mannering, and 104 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: just to sort of unpack this a little bit more, 105 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: the racial dimensions cannot be understated or at least even overstated. 106 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so the impacts the black community, Hispanic community, 107 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about how that manifests in 108 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: many of these different states. 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: That's a really important point. This jury mandering is done 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: on the backs of people of color, and one only 111 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: has to look at what's going on in Texas. Now 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: they get there, they think five seats. I think they're 113 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: being a little optimistic, but they get whatever it is 114 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: they get out of this, this gerrymandering that they're doing 115 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: at the expense of people of color in largely urban areas, 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: largely Hispanic but African Americans, you knows as well. Uh, 117 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: we see them, you know, breaking up districts in Austin, 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: Texas and San Antonio, enjoying these really weird lines so 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: that you really decrease, dilute the power, the electoral power 120 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: that communities of color have in Texas. Now they'll try 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: to say this is only partisan, these are only partisan 122 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: things that we have done, as if that somehow makes 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: it better. You know, we're not we're not racist. We're 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: just doing things you know that are inconsistent with our 125 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: sense of who we are and consistent with our constitution. 126 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 2: But it's only on a partisan basis. But if you look, 127 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: it always almost always comes down to making it more 128 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: difficult for people of color to vote and then taking 129 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: away from people of color, communities of color the political 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: power that they long sought and have tried to hold 131 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: on to. 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: So California is one of those states within an independent 133 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: redistricting commission. It was a commission that when I was mayor, 134 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: there was an effort to repeal it that I publicly 135 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: opposed because long supported the idea of independent redistricting, and 136 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: it's a point of pride that this state has been 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: one of the leaders. What happened, however, in Texas changed 138 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: the equation. And I'm curious, just from your prism and 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: your perspective as a champion of independent redistricting as well, 140 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: what does Texas represent to you? 141 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: And first, if I could just. 142 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: Unpack a deeper question, why do you think President Trump 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: made the phone call to Greg Abbott? Why do you 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: think he even pursued this mid decade redistrict strategy in 145 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: the first place. 146 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Well before he picked up the phone, he looked at 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: his desk, picked up some papers that said, these are 148 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: your polling numbers, mister President, and he made the determination 149 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: that unless we cheat, unless we come up with more 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: safe Republican seats, we're in real danger of losing our 151 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: majority in the House of Representatives. And that would really 152 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: establish a really huge obstacle to doing the kinds of 153 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: radical things that they have done in the first eight 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: months and want to continue to do over the course 155 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: of the next you know, next three years or so. 156 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that generated the call 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: from the President to the governor in Texas said, it's 158 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: an interesting thing, you know when he called, when the 159 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: President called those folks in Georgia and said, I need 160 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: eleven seven and eighty votes when it came to the 161 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty election, Republicans in Georgia, you know, Secretary of 162 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: Saint Raffinsburg, a person what I agree with on a 163 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: whole bunch of stuff. You know, they at least had 164 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: the guts to say, no, we're not going to do that, 165 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: called Greg Abbott, and he expressed some you know, a 166 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: little concern about it at the beginning, but at the 167 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: end of the day did exactly what it is that, 168 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: you know, the President asked him to do. You know, 169 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: we've always thought of the California Independent Commission as the 170 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: gold standard. It's something that as I've campaigned around the 171 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: country for fairness, I've always pointed to California. And I 172 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: think the system in California is a great one. But 173 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 2: I think the determination that you made and other Democrats 174 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: in California was exactly the right one. Given what they 175 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: did in Texas and what they're doing in other states 176 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: as well. We couldn't simply disarmer. We had to respond 177 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: to that. And what I've said, you know, I've thought 178 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: about this long and hard before I said, you know, 179 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: this is something I think we ought to do it 180 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: because I've been fighting. I've been fighting against Jerry Mandarin, 181 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: either by Democrats or Republicans. But I think that what's 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: happening in California makes a great deal of sense. It 183 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: is something that kind of meets this three part test 184 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: of mine. It's got to be and so it's certainly 185 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: responsive to that which happened in Texas. It's got to 186 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 2: be responsible, didn't go crazy, just came up with a 187 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: way in which you try to come up with additional seats, 188 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: and it's going to be temporary, you know, I want 189 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: to get back to this whole fight for fairness and 190 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 2: the way in which it's crafted in California, in addition 191 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: to having the people ultimately vote on it, which is 192 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: not what happened in Texas. It only will exist until 193 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: after the next census. 194 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: No, and I appreciate this, and you know so your 195 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: your evolution was mine as well as someone that believes 196 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: in the principle of independent redistrict as well. 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: So it wasn't. 198 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't an immediate response, frankly, was in response to 199 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: outreach by legislative leaders in Texas that said, weoky California, 200 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, have our back, and we thought it may 201 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: be a rhetorical play just to support them and say 202 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: we're watching, we're paying attention, but realizing the consequences of 203 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: these five seats and how that can tip the balance 204 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: and rig the next election. 205 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: In the twenty twenty six we were able to fashion. 206 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: A process that, as you say, is temporary, transparent and democratic. 207 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: It's the only maps that are now being presented to 208 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: the voters themselves. They will decide for themselves in the 209 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: most transparent way and in a temporary way that ends, 210 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: as you suggest, after the twenty eight, eight and thirty 211 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: and into the thirty two census will revert back to 212 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: its original form. Again only in response to Texas. But 213 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: I want to ask you to respond, It's not just Texas, 214 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: is it, mister Jarney. General. We're seeing this in Missouri 215 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: just this week. You're seeing activity in Indiana, Conversations that 216 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: are happening in Florida. There's different conditions and criteria in 217 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Ohio and Utah. Maybe you can give us the lay 218 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: of the land more broadly. 219 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you hit just about all the states 220 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: where this is still being considered. You know, Texas has 221 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: already done it, Missouri has already done it, but those 222 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: other states are certainly considering it. And you know Ohio 223 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: has got to redraw their maps because of a constitutional 224 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: proof vision there. But the question is what are Ohio 225 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: Republicans I'm going to do? There is within the Ohio 226 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: Constitution a prohibition against partisan jurymannering. So we'll see what 227 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: they do in Ohio. What are they going to do 228 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: in Kansas? What arey going to do with Florida? There 229 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: is a whole range of other states where they've made 230 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: the determination that they're going to really kind of cheat, 231 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: and that's what it is. You can talk about a 232 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: whole bunch of different things. It's cheating. They're going to 233 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: cheat to try to hold on to the majority that 234 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 2: they have in the House of Representatives. And it really 235 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: comes on the basis of fear. They're afraid of the 236 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: people who they say they want to represent. They're afraid 237 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: of the legislative agenda that they have tried to put 238 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: in place. They're afraid of the administrative things that they 239 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 2: have done. They're afraid to be held accountable for, you know, 240 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: taking a whole bunch of good people in a whole 241 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: variety of government agencies around the country and simply told them, 242 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: you know, get out of here, you're fired. They're afraid 243 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: of trying to defend that which Elon Musk and his 244 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: doge bros. Did. It's all a political fear that is 245 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: that is driving what it is that they are that 246 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: they're doing. And it's fundamentally an American and it's unpatriotic, 247 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's cheating, but it also goes 248 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: against that which we do and which makes I think 249 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: this nation exceptional we we trust the people to make 250 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: determinations about policy in the direction of the nation, and 251 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: they want to cut the people out of the process.