1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back Late Kick Extra first 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: edition of two coming to you this week. I'm Josh Pate. 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, Thank you for downloading, Thank you 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: for subscribing. We're at eight hundred and ninety seven five 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: star reviews as I begin to open my mouth this morning, 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: so I know there are three of you out there, 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: and really what we want is one hundred and three 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: of you, because we're trying to get to a thousand, 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: but at least three of you out there can push 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: us over nine hundred by the end of the day. 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: And what I'm talking about, by the way, in case 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: I've misspoken, just want those five star reviews in Apple podcasts. 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: For the rest of you who don't listen to Apple 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: podcast ignore the last fifteen seconds of your life. Thank 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: you for subscribing, Thank you for downloading. I've explained why 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: we emphasize that it's not favoritism, it's just happenstance. What 17 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: this is is a two times a week mail bag format. 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: It's Q and A. Joshpat seven zero six at gmail 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: dot com is one place you can submit your questions, 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: or you can go on Twitter at Latekickjosh and you 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: can drop me at DM. I strongly encourage you to 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter any time of year, but especially 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: this time of year because there was a whole lot 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: going on at Latekickjosh. So this morning, I've got about 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety three questions. I would say, sitting 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: in front of me could round up five hundred. But 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: why I do that when we can be exact and 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: a lot of them are about coaching and coaching searches 29 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: and firings and the hirings. You can imagine what it 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: looks like. So I was going to do today a 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: little snowball theory, and that's where I roll as many 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: questions into little mini snowballs as I can and I 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: just kind of answer them in the aggregate. So what 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna answer a question. I'm 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: just gonna make up a name, and that name, like Tony, 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: for example, is going to represent everyone who asked an 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Auburn question or a Michigan question. So that's how we'll 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: do it today. Now, let me give you just a 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: little heads up, friendly reminder. We haven't talked in a 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: year about this, so just a reminder how to handle 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: coaching searches I know a lot of times it's very 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: popular that you hear people and see people say, well, 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: this is changing by the hour. Well that's not always true. 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: That's not always true at all. What could be changing 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: is the rumors that you're hearing are different by the hour. 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: But the reality sometimes is things go up twenty four 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: to forty eight hours on end without changing. But this 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: is Twitter season, man, this is subscription season, and so 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: be very careful about folks out there who are really 50 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: looking to make a name for themselves. And sometimes what 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: you kind of see people doing is they hope they 52 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: just guess right, and then if they nail it, you 53 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: don't know they guessed. You just know that they got 54 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: it right. So if they call for Coach X to 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: be hired on Tuesday and then Coach X is announced 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: on Friday, well what's the narrative three years down the road. 57 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: The narrative is, remember I knew seventy two hours ahead 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: of time he was going to be hired. You guess 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: seventy two hours ahead of time, and it turned out 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: you were right. But if Coach X himself didn't know 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, truth be told, there's no way you could 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: have known. So There are a lot of people out there, 63 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot of them that are going to you know, 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: pedal a new update every hour, and that's fine as 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: long as they're telling you what is actually happening or 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: what they're actually hearing. I told you yesterday one thing, 67 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: one update. I was seeing a lot of stuff circulating 68 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: about Kevin Steele at Auburn. Kevin Steele is the well, 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: he's the current interim head coach. He's been the defensive 70 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: coordinator down there for a little while. You know what, 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: I guess we can I guess we can get the 72 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Auburn question started here. So Tony, Tony's our fictitious Auburn representative. 73 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: This morning, Tony asks, hey man, what's up with Auburn? 74 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Love the show. By the way, Josh, you're a true 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: inspiration and I thank the Good Lord every day that 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: he put you on this earth. Well, Tony, I appreciate that. 77 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. That, by the way, is our fictitious listener, Tony, 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: the Auburn representative. What's going on with Auburn? A coaching search, 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: in short, is going on at Auburn? What's going on? 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: As you stretch it out a little bit, Oh, well, 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: there's a fair amount going on. If you'll remember, it's 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: been a few days now, but when Gus Malson was 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: fired at Auburn, I was told about a week beforehand, 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: if they make a move, it means they already have 85 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: their guy lined up. Hey, that's what I was told. 86 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes what you're told is true, sometimes what you're told 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: is false, or sometimes what you're told is accurate at 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the moment and then things change. So I have no 89 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: doubt because I know who I spoke to about it. 90 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: I have no doubt that last Monday, I guess it 91 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: would have been yeah, about a week ago. So last 92 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday when I was told that, I don't 93 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: doubt that that was the word around Auburn that if 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: they make a move, it's going to mean they have 95 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: their guy. And think about that. That makes all the 96 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: sense in the world. Why would you not make a 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: move unless you have your guy. Texas just publicly went 98 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: after their guy before firing their current head coach couldn't 99 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: get him, and then told the current head coach, all right, 100 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: we couldn't get your replacement. You're good. Go coach another year. 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Get out of here, go coach another year. This is in 102 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: a soap kitchen, get out of here. And so now 103 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: you've got Malson out. So when he's out, my mind 104 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: reverts back to let's see, what did they tell me 105 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday? Oh, they said, well, if he's gone, 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: they've already got the replacement. Okay, So I said that, 107 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: And now if you ask me the same question, I 108 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: don't think that that is the case. It may have 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: been the case, but I don't think it is the 110 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: case what it seems like. And again, I'm not updating 111 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: you every hour on this because truthfully, there's not an 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: update to be had every hour. What it seems to 113 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: be is the few more people have gotten involved that 114 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: maybe weren't thought to have been a threat to be involved. 115 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: I hope that makes sense, because I have to be 116 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: vague about it because partially I don't really know what 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: that means myself. You get told what you get told. 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: I think there are a few more people at the 119 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: table than it initially looked like there would have been. 120 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: Look like a couple of folks were going to handle this. 121 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: It was done. We're good. So now you've got Alan Green, 122 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: who's the athletic director down there. You've got Jay Goose, 123 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: who's the president, you got obviously, board of trustee members, boosters, 124 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: you got a lot of people involved to varying degrees. 125 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: Don't always assume every coaching search is running the way 126 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: that you would expect it to run. And so you 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: got a search firm hired out of Atlanta. I saw yesterday, 128 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: And this is what I was talking about when I 129 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: said I spoke up. I saw yesterday there were widely, 130 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: widely spread reports that Kevin steel Man, this is done, 131 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: this is all but done. Well, No, it wasn't. No, 132 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: it certainly wasn't. And that remains even if Kevin Steele 133 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: ends up getting this job. Kevin Steele was not a 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: lot for this job or the leader in the clubhouse yesterday. 135 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: He certainly was not. From people close to that situation, 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: he was not. And so Kevin Steele may end up 137 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: being the guy. Now here's the question from the Auburn perspective, 138 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: from the Auburn fans perspective, Uh, what are we talking about? 139 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: That's the question from the Auburn fans perspective. Even if 140 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: you didn't like Gus Mauson, even if you supported him 141 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: being removed Kevin Steele, Wait, what are we talking about here? 142 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Steele. Because see the thing I always go back 143 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: to in a coaching search or a hypothetical coaching search 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: when we're talking about whether we should have one or not. Well, 145 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: you know my talking point. I've said it a million 146 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: times this fall already. I don't mind if you do it. 147 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: As long as you have a definitive upgrade ready. As 148 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: long as you got one ready, then make your move whatever. 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: You should always be looking upgrade. Well, even some of 150 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: you who supported Gus Malson being fired look at Kevin 151 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: Steele and stay that why didn't we just keep Malson around? 152 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: That's not a definitive upgrade. Kevin Steele had a head 153 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: coaching experience at Baylor that was very bad. Record wise, 154 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: otherwise he's been a phenomenal coordinator for US. I mean truth, 155 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: he told Auburns won defensively. When they've won, it's been 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: because the defense far more often than not. In the 157 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: latter years of the Malson ten but nine and thirty six, 158 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: that would happen to be Kevin Steele's college football head 159 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: coaching record. Do we view that as a definditive upgrade 160 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: from Gus Mauson. I don't think anyone in their right 161 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: mind does. So your question remains, what are we doing 162 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: If that's the answer, if that's where we're going, what 163 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: are we doing? Why did we not only fire miles On, 164 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: but we're paying him what? Twenty one million dollars? What? What? 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: And so I understand the frustration there. Now you've also 166 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: got the morial crystaball card on the table. Who knows 167 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: how that shakes out. I think there are still a 168 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: few irons in the fire here. Think there may be 169 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: one or two names that they are looking to speak 170 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: to that, to my knowledge I have not seen mentioned, 171 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: which is normally the case, and a lot of times 172 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: you'll never even know that they spoke to him. Now, 173 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: if I have information regarding that, after this is all over, 174 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: I'll let you know. This is not the time, however, 175 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: And that's only because Auburn is paying me so many 176 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: millions of dollars to keep quiet, obviously, And it's an 177 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: honor to work this coaching search for Auburn, you understand, Tony, 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: And so point two. I noticed that a lot of 179 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: you always assume there's this grand master plan at work, 180 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and the best run coaching searches are like that. Don't 181 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: always assume they're well run. No, I'm not even speaking 182 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: about the Auburn coaching search. I'm just speaking in general 183 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: right now, and maybe it could apply to the Auburn 184 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: coaching search. A lot of times there are fifteen different 185 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: people moving in fifteen different directions. A lot of times 186 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: there's obviously a vacuum of power and influence, and people 187 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: who think they have theirs want to wield it in 188 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: this moment. You don't go through coaching searches very often, 189 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: think about it a once every eight to twelve year 190 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: on average type of thing, maybe longer. I don't know 191 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: what the average would be. That's a good question. Some 192 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: places fire coaches like new candy they put out in 193 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: the receptions desk. Other places things are are much more stable. 194 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: But when this happens, you may have a search firm involved. 195 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, the athletic director may want this, a 196 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: booster may want that. You may have people holding their 197 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: donor checks hostage and exchange for maybe having a say 198 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: at the table. And that's not all that uncommon. It's 199 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: why you end up with some ridiculous contracts and some 200 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: ridiculous buyouts and some ridiculous staff demands. All sorts of 201 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: different things, and to be honest, let's not be overly critical, 202 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: because I want you to think about something for a second. Now. 203 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: There may be some of you back. I know there 204 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: are a few of you, because I've spoken to you 205 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: in the listening and or viewing audience for Late Kick 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: that are blessed enough to be able to be a 207 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: part of that club, to be able to be a 208 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: part of the club where you have enjoyed such immense 209 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: financial success in life that you can afford to give 210 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: seven figures per year to your chosen university. When you 211 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: do that, you get some say, you know how that 212 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: works more than any of the rest of us do. 213 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: I hope to be one of those people one day, 214 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: or maybe we'll just start our own university here. You know, 215 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this. I'm going to get sidetracked, 216 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: I know I am, but I'm going to go down 217 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: this road. I've been thinking about creating our own theoretical team. 218 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: We're an imaginary team here. I've got a tentative name 219 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: in mind. I got a tentative name, but when we 220 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: get to the end of the season, I'm going to 221 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: put it out there. I'm going to crowdsource it. I'm 222 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: going to see if your ideas are better than mine. 223 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: But we need our own team. I don't know what 224 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: conference we're going to be in, but we need one. 225 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: And then we can have our own donors. And instead 226 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: of giving money to an athletic department that lights it 227 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: on fire, you just give it to this institution. And 228 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm pounding my chest as I say, this institution. You 229 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: give it to this institution, and I can assure you 230 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: it'll be money well spent because we won't spend a 231 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: dime hiring a coach. We'll just be self run, we'll 232 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: be self made. So anyway, all right, we're backtracking. Put 233 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: it in reverse, go back up the road. Where was I? Ah? Yes, 234 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: good job there. Okay. So there are a lot of 235 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: people who want to say, and here's the big, big problem, 236 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: sometimes the overarching problem in college football hiring. Let's say 237 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: Bob over here is a multi millionaire and he runs 238 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: several tire dealerships across the Southeast. And then let's say 239 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: gem over here owns a number of seafood establishments all 240 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: along the Gulf coast. And then let's say Teddy is 241 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: a big time banker from New York. But they all 242 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: went to your school, and they're all obviously very well 243 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: off financially. They probably played high school football, not much 244 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: past that. But here's the problem. They've all had big 245 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: success and other ventures in life, so therefore they view 246 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: themselves as experts on football too because they're passionate about football. 247 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: This is a big problem. It's a catch twenty two 248 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: because you need their money. You would rather do it 249 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: out there, say so an input when it comes to 250 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: football related matters, but oftentimes you're not getting one without 251 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: the other. So before you just criticize some of these 252 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: hires that are made, sometimes think about the bind. Think 253 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: about the corner that some decision makers have to be 254 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: backed into. Because if ted Jimmy and Bob, they walk 255 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: in and they say, hey, combined, our donor checks probably 256 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: make up about half of what it's going to take 257 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: to end up hiring this guy. Maybe more. We want 258 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: to interview so and so because we really like the 259 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: way he carries himself. You know, that old football metric 260 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: way he carries himself that equals I don't know how 261 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: many wins per year on average, per one hundred season simulations. 262 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: This can get really messy, is the point. And so 263 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: that's how sometimes you end up with weird names involved. 264 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: It's sometimes how you end up with a coach at 265 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: a podium doing an introductory press conference. And maybe you 266 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: and I look around from a pure football standpoint and 267 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: say that's the best they could do. But see, what 268 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: you don't know is maybe he's been working Bill and 269 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: Joe and Teddy behind the scenes for two and a 270 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: half years in greasing the palms, not in terms of 271 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: nefarious means, but just slapping the bag, going on the 272 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: fishing trips, putting in the time, and they want their 273 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: friend installed as head coach. It's only natural, just so 274 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: happens that there are tens of millions of you out 275 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: there that are going to have to live with that 276 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: decision that couldn't afford to have skin in the game, 277 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: and you get to watch it on Saturday as things 278 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: go down in flames. But it's okay because at least 279 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: it's their buddy leading the football team down in flames. Now, again, 280 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Auburn there. I'm talking about in 281 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: a very general sense, just understand sometimes why things are 282 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: happening the way they are. The third part here that 283 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: a lot of you have asked about is what do 284 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: you think Malzan will do? So I've heard a couple 285 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: of different things. I've heard always the TV option is 286 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: on the table. Gus Malzon, as prickly as he may 287 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: come off to you if you don't know him, when 288 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: he's gotten in a TV setting, he's been really good 289 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: and malson. When he's not involved in football, when he's 290 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: not a current head coach, I think you'd see a 291 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: little bit different side of him. I've seen this before. 292 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: I've seen him in an off the record setting. Totally 293 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: different dude. He has his guard up when he's on 294 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: the record, when the red light is on, when he's 295 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: on the field, at a press conference, whatever, for obvious reasons. 296 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: He's just kind of he's one of those coaches who 297 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: is paranoid. If you've ever seen him during a game, 298 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: he'll always put his hand over his mouth when he's talking. 299 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: Even if he's about like a banana nutbread recipe, he 300 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: will always have his hand over his mouth. He's paranoid. 301 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have anything to defend, maybe he's 302 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: not his paranoid And you get him in a you know, 303 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: one of those analysts settings like gene Chizik is doing 304 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: right now. He'd be really good. Could do that. That 305 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: offer is always going to be on the table for him. 306 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: He could just take a year off period. I don't 307 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: know if you heard, but in the next thirty days 308 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: he'll have about ten ten and a half million dollars 309 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: hit his bank account and he's already doing good. I 310 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: had some friends who are from Columbus who still work 311 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: in the Columbus, Georgia news market, who were over at Auburn, 312 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: which is about thirty minutes away. We used to cover 313 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: him all the time, and they were over there Sunday 314 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: night doing their live shot and Malzan pulled up to 315 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: clean out his office. And some of you saw that video. 316 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: I retweeted the video and some of you noticed, is 317 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: he driving an F one point fifty? Yeah he is. 318 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: That's how maus Han rolls. Literally, he does not live 319 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: an overly extravagant life down there. And so I mean 320 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: that's Gus Malsan. So you can you can rest assured 321 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: he has done the Kevin Garnett deal, has saved a 322 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: lot of his money. Now he may be saving it 323 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: to buy private island somewhere. I don't know, but he's 324 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: doing okay, so he could just take a year off 325 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: go travel. I don't know. I mean see a sunset 326 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: every now and then. A lot of coaches don't want 327 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: to do that though. They're very scared if they step 328 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: away from the game, the game will pass them by. 329 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you would think Mack Brown has proven that wrong. 330 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: But the third option here is he dives right back 331 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: into coaching and like the Texas Tech job or the 332 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: Arizona job, who knows what comes open. He'll have offers. 333 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Gus Malson will have offers. Gus Malson. I don't know 334 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: that some folks in Auburn want to hear this right now, 335 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: but I said this the other night and I fully 336 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: believe it. Gus Malson, I think is one of the 337 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: twenty best head coaches in America. All things equal, He's 338 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: one of the twenty best in America. You could look 339 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: at him right now and say, really, okay, well, have 340 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: you seen his record against Georgia and LSU and Alabama 341 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah? I have. Have you seen Lincoln 342 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Riley's record against Georgia, Alabama and LSU on the road? No, 343 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: you haven't. It's a trick question. He doesn't have to 344 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: play there every year. Lincoln Riley's a phenomenal coach. My 345 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: point is not to dumb on Lincoln Riley. My point 346 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: is you're not measuring these guys apples to apples. It's 347 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: very disproportionate, it's very uneven what one has to go 348 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: through relative to the other. And my counterpoint to that is, well, 349 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: if I were to say take Malson and put him 350 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: in the ACC or put him in the Big twelve, 351 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: I certainly don't think that his record looks the same, 352 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: probably looks a little improved. Malson's been able to do 353 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of good things in his time at Allburn. 354 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: They're overshadowed because of obviously the record and inferiority as 355 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: you see it against his rivals. Maybe he's not good 356 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: as Nick Saban, maybe he's not as good as Kirby 357 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: Smart or Jimbo Fisher. Maybe he's not. But you're also 358 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: talking about three of the best ten in the game 359 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: right now, so you could not measure up to them 360 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and still be a really solid coach. And I think 361 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: that's the category I put Malson in. Another question, many 362 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: of you ask, so Tony's going to bring it to 363 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: the table. Now, many of you asked, what's the time 364 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: table here? I thought there would be one, but now 365 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't think there is one. They just want to 366 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: do it as soon as possible, so it could be 367 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: by the time you listen to this. I don't think 368 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: there is one. And so here's what was really fascinating 369 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: to me. I got told yesterday by someone very close 370 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: to that coaching search that they themselves were surprised that 371 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: early signing day, which is tomorrow if you're listening on Tuesday, 372 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Early signing days tomorrow, early signing Day did not seem 373 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: to be an issue for them. Now that's one kind 374 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: of out of left field, because you think to yourself, 375 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: all right, Auburn's season is not over. I want you 376 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: to keep this in mind. Let's frame this properly. The 377 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: season ends on a win, no less, and you fire 378 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: malson the next day. Okay, Well, that's how you would 379 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: do it if you were going to make a move. 380 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: We don't know if they had the candidate in place, 381 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: We don't know. Maybe if they had the candidate in 382 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: place and then candidate got cold feet, don't know. All 383 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: we know is we fire Gus mauson day after season ends, 384 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: and so then we look around and we say coaching 385 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: search time, but what is the backdrop. The backdrop is 386 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: coaching search time, and the early signing date is coming 387 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: up in like ninety six hours. At the time we 388 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: fired Gus maus On, I say we because I'm now 389 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: running Auburn, so we fire him, and obviously we want 390 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: to get some answers, and we want to put a 391 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: message out there or maybe even a coach hired and 392 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: put him out there by the time the early signing 393 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: date rules around. That's what you would think. That's what 394 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: I would think. That's what everyone would think. No, I 395 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: was told yesterday again by someone there is every reason 396 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: to trust in this. I don't really think they care 397 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: that much, the folks running this search. I don't really 398 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: think they care that much about the early signing date. 399 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: They'll just make the announcement when they make the announcement. Now, 400 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: that has been a little bit surprising to me. Now, 401 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: I got to be honest, that's been a little bit 402 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: surprising to me. But I guess it is what it is, 403 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: and the people running this situation have the reasons for 404 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: feeling the way they do. So that's what I have 405 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: for you as of this morning on the Auburn deal. 406 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: I could go for another hour and pretend to know 407 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: things that I don't really know. But no, that's what 408 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: I know right now, and what I know could change 409 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: by the APA doesn't always mean the situation is changing 410 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: by the hour. Now. This is a little off the 411 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: beaten path. But I meant to answer one of these 412 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: questions last week and I didn't get to it, and 413 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: I was so mad that I emailed the person who 414 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: sent the question back. I said, hey, send this email 415 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: again Monday, just to remind me. And so they did. 416 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: They sent the email again Monday, just to remind me. 417 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: This is going to apply to every single one of you, 418 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: especially those of you, well, not every single one of you, Okay. 419 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: Some of you are going to nod and smile when 420 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: I respond to this question. Others of you. You need 421 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: this information more than you could possibly know, and I'm 422 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: going to give it to you right after this. Okay. 423 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: So Nick asks truly one of the most important questions 424 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: of our time. He said, do you have any insight 425 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: or advice on how to navigate a romantic relationship with 426 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: a rabbid fan of an arch rival team and There's 427 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: a very important word that our buddy here, Nick included 428 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: in his question, and it is rabbid. We're not talking 429 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: about one of those garden variety sidewalk kinds. We're talking 430 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: about a rabid fan. This is a whole different rabbit hole. So, Nick, 431 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: you asked a question that is very layered. Brother, I've 432 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: been here before. It is tough. Sometimes it's an impasse. 433 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: It's just impossible to navigate because the rabid nature changes everything. 434 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: Here's what you want. It's okay to date folks of 435 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: the opposite world, the opposite world being different college football 436 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: fandom than you. Maybe they graduated from the different school 437 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: than you. I grew up in Columbus, Georgia. I saw 438 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: many and Iron Bowl marriages work out. I saw some 439 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: others go down in absolute and total flame. I mean, 440 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: can you imagine being an Auburn Alabama couple during the 441 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: Cam Newton season. I saw it. It was a nightmare. 442 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: It was terrible. Divorce lawyers were having a field day 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: in and around the Greater Columbus area. But here's the key. 444 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: Here's how you make it work. You can make it 445 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: work if it means less to her than it does 446 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: to you. Or it means less to him than it 447 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: does to you, depending on who we're talking about here. 448 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: It can work, but you gotta make sure that the 449 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: investment emotionally is disproportionate. You got to make sure that 450 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: if you are a Georgia, Florida couple and your Gators 451 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: beat her bulldogs, you just have to make sure that 452 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: she's one that can let it go, or vice versa. 453 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: You got to make sure if your significant other's team 454 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: beats you, they're not the kind that really hold it 455 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: over you. They're the kind that feels more sorry for 456 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: you than they do good for themselves. But here's where 457 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: it really goes sideways, and why my disproportionate passion theory 458 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: has a hole in it. It can be good, like 459 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: I just detailed, It can work out fine if she 460 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: cares less than you do. But here's where it goes sideways. 461 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: And here's what I've experienced before. If she cares less 462 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: than you do, she has less emotion invested than you do. 463 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: And so here's what she knows. She pulls for one team, 464 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: you pull for the other team. Let's say you guys 465 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: are going through a little rough patch, but hey, at 466 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: least the college football Saturday has arrived. It's your one 467 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: escape during the week. We all know that feeling. Maybe 468 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: you feel it with your job, maybe you feel it 469 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: with your significant other. You just want an escape. Well, 470 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: guess what you care about it a lot more than 471 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: she does, and so that is known to both parties. 472 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: So let me kick your scenario. It's been a rough week. 473 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you can see where this 474 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: is going already. It's been a rough week. Maybe you 475 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: haven't even been talking. It's been frosty at best, and 476 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: things you just don't know if they're going to work out. Well, 477 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: here's what can happen. Friends, this is the big danger. 478 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: Watch out for the quicksandpit right in front of you. 479 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: You're looking forward to Saturday. She couldn't care less about Saturday, 480 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: and therefore, guess when she wants to do couple's therapy, 481 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: Guess when she wants to do relationship building. Guess when 482 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: she wants to go out or spend some time with 483 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: you Saturday. And so you've got two choices. You can 484 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: either forego the one out of twelve Saturdays per year 485 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: that you get to circle on your calendar for stuff 486 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: that you don't really want to do, or you can 487 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: push back. But when you push back, here's what you know, 488 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: and here's what she knows. It's all a trap. So 489 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: she already knows this. Here's what she knows. She's going 490 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: to look you in the eye and she's going to say, 491 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: that's our problem. Notice our problem. Therefore, the entire problem 492 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: here is based on what you just said. Our problem 493 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: is that you care more about college football even than 494 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: you do about us. You care more about watching those 495 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: stupid games than you do about me. I mean, look 496 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: at me, I'm bearing the burden of giving up my Saturday. 497 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't you give up your Saturday? Therein lies the 498 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: danger you think that you've chosen the high road. When 499 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: you go the disproportionate passion route, you find someone who 500 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: doesn't care about it as much as you, and you figure, oh, 501 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: when I'm down, when I'm at my worst point, after 502 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: my team loses on a Saturday, she will be there 503 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: to comfort me. It doesn't mean as much to her 504 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: as it does to me. Oh, that could work, but 505 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,959 Speaker 1: it could also just completely and totally destroy your life. 506 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: So my advice is, early on in the dating process, 507 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: you got to get ahead of the curve you've got 508 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: to stack the deck in your favor. And stack the 509 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: deck in your favor means in this case, you have 510 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: to plant some scenarios. You just have to. You have 511 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: to do it like spring practice. You have to install 512 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: some situations into your relationship wherein you two are tested. 513 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: You've got to do it otherwise you're gonna find out. 514 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: You don't want to find out if your left tackle 515 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: is able of handling an edge rusher in the middle 516 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: of a game in week nine. You want to find 517 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: out in spring practice when there are no cameras and 518 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: there are no fans in the stands, and there's no 519 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: national TV network there to broadcast the game, and you've 520 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: got to do the same with your relationship. I cannot 521 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: stress this enough. This is far more important than who 522 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: you root for. Okay, So to go back to Nick's question, 523 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: he was asking, well, what is it like to be 524 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: pulling for one team she pulls for the other team. 525 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Can that relationship work? Oh, of course it can work. 526 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: It's not about the rooting interest. It's about the passion level, 527 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: because the passion level is what's ultimately going to determine 528 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: how Various relationship crises that are not related to football 529 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: are handled by weaponizing football. You would much rather be 530 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: with a girl or a guy who pulls for the 531 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: team you don't like than to be with a girl 532 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: or a guy who pulls for the team you do like. 533 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: But they're not as passionate about it as you because 534 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be weaponized one day. It's going to 535 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: be weaponized. Don't say I didn't warn you. All right, 536 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: Let's get sorry fanning myself here if you hear that 537 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: in the microphone. Just got a little intense there for 538 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: a second. But I hope I help someone out there. 539 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: So Dan asked a question last week that I think 540 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: is really interesting. I don't think anyone's asked this before. 541 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: He said, is there's such a thing as a goal 542 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: or performance based contract in major college football? Seems like 543 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: everyone's money is guaranteed, but it really seems like there 544 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: should be, at least with my limited knowledge from the outside, 545 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: everything seems to be in favor of the coach, with 546 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: hopes but little expectation on the side of the employer. Dan, 547 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: you are right, my friend, You are absolutely right. The 548 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: question that you asked has an answer. The answer is yes, 549 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: but they're few and far between, and the incentives, as 550 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: you would call him, that are in the contract. They're 551 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: not the kind of incentives where, okay, half of your 552 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: overall yearly salaries dependent on this. What you'll see as 553 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: a guy make a base of let's just say five 554 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Guy makes a base of five million, 555 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: and then you'll have an incentive in there. If you 556 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: have a graduation rate of a certain level, you'll get 557 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: an extra quarter million dollars. Or if you reach this 558 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: level of a bowl game, you get an extra one 559 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: hundred thousand. Now if you make if you win the 560 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: conference title, maybe it kicks in half a million. College 561 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: football playoff another million dollars. But the biggest escalators, I mean, 562 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the biggest incentives are rarely a quarter or a fifth 563 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: of the overall size of your base salary, So disproportionately, 564 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: you're guaranteed your money unless you get embroiled in a scandal. 565 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Now what we're seeing at Michigan. I'm going to read 566 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: a little portion of a report from John Bacon, who's 567 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: been doing pretty good work cover in the harball Michigan situation. 568 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: He reported last week, and I had this quote copying 569 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: and pasted in here. I didn't read it because I 570 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: didn't get to this question last week. Michigan Athletic director 571 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: up there. So the Michigan Letic director, Ward Manual, has 572 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: discussed with Jim Harbaugh new contract with a lower base 573 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: salary and buyout, though with good provisions to hire top 574 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: assistance and large incentives for performance. Now, I don't know 575 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: that this is going to work out or pan out 576 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the way that you hope it would in Michigan, So 577 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: we'll see. There remains to be seen, but that at 578 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: least theorizes is they could lower Jim Harbaugh's base salary 579 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: and give him the opportunity to make every bit as 580 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: much if not more money than he's making right now, 581 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: but he's got to earn it, in other words, with 582 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: performance on the field. Now, I think that we may 583 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: be approaching an inflection point in the industry with so 584 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: many universities that have been made to look just so ridiculous, 585 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: with these buyouts being exposed that they negotiated with the 586 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: integrity and intelligence of a five year old kid. I mean, 587 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: there are in many cases no mitigation clauses in these contracts. 588 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, that means Will Muschamp just 589 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: got fired at South Carolina. South Carolina did not have 590 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: a mitigation clause in his contract. Therefore they owe him 591 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: every bit of the buyout dollars that he's owed, even 592 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: if he goes and gets a new job, even if 593 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: he was hired as the head coach at Auburn tomorrow, 594 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: which is not going to happen. But if he was, 595 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: South Carolina would still owe him every dime. How do 596 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: you negotiate that? And at what point when that was 597 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: being negotiated did South Carolina not realize, Wait, no one 598 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: else is really trying to hire Will mus Champ as 599 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: their head coach. He doesn't have this kind of leverage 600 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: over us. Like that sounds common sensical, right, No, apparently 601 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: it's not. So to shorten the answer, yes, Dan, it 602 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: does happen. No, it doesn't happen very frequently at the 603 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: major college football level today. But I think the inflection 604 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: point is because so many people have been trashed in 605 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: the administrative world because they negotiate terrible contracts. I think 606 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: the incentive for lack of a better word now on 607 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: their end is going to be such that they need 608 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: to really revise the way they go about this. Revise 609 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: the protocols revise what we're willing to agree to and 610 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: what we're not willing to agree to. And you know what, 611 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: if guaranteed money is the backbreaker or I guess deal 612 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: breaker for a candidate, maybe he's not our candidate. Maybe 613 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: we want a guy. Maybe that's part of your criteria 614 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: in the future. Find a candidate who will agree to 615 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: a nice, sizable base salary. Don't get me wrong, but 616 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: the top quarter of that salary being dependent maybe on 617 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: incentive bonuses instead of guaranteed salary. So give a guy. 618 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's like in sales, you got a lower 619 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: base and your commission there's no cap on it. So 620 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: lower base salary, higher commission, no cap. That's what you're 621 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: talking about. But the market dictates all this and you 622 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: know that as well as I do. This is not 623 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: a vacuum. There's not just one job open. A lot 624 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: of times there are many jobs open. So and really, 625 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: the guy that you're negotiating with already has a job, 626 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: so sometimes you're negotiating against his current employer and maybe 627 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: they'll do anything it takes to keep him. Well, that's 628 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: what throws the market into a tailspan. When there's one 629 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: entity out there that's willing to give up guaranteed money 630 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the rest of you can't do 631 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: what you're talking about doing. That's the problem where that's 632 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 1: wherein lies the problem a lot of times. All Right, 633 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: we got Late Kick Live coming up tonight. We have 634 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: got full conference Championship previews and breakdowns. Tomorrow is early 635 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: signing Day. Tomorrow being Wednesday early signing Day, we are 636 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: going to be on air for eight hours straight. 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