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Speaker 3: You guys, we have a very special guest this episode.
Speaker 3: We never get to do this. We have the woman
Speaker 3: who created this episode, Liz Friedlander, is with us. And
Speaker 3: I mean, I had no idea that this episode was
Speaker 3: your first.
Speaker 4: Episode of television.
Speaker 5: I can't believe that I.
Speaker 6: Had done a movie, and I had done a ton
Speaker 6: of music videos and commercials, but I mean television, as
Speaker 6: you know, it's its own thing, and I really had
Speaker 6: no idea how it worked at all. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of on the job learning. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they threw everything at you, Sophia. This was
Speaker 3: a huge episode.
Speaker 6: Yeah. They were panic because it was not like on
Speaker 6: stage that they were like, how did you wind up
Speaker 6: with this one? Here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You got a big one?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: What it happened? Okay, hold on, let me give the folks.
Speaker 5: The synopsis. Okay, friends who are listening at home, you
Speaker 5: are with us for season five, episode five. I forgot
Speaker 5: to remember to forget. It aired initially January twenty ninth,
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, and as Hillary mentioned, we have
Speaker 5: Liz Friedlander with us, who directed this out of this episode,
Speaker 5: and we actually are getting to do something with Liz
Speaker 5: that we've not been able to do before. First of all,
Speaker 5: we haven't had directors of our show, you know, aside
Speaker 5: from Paul On And because Joy's not with us this week,
Speaker 5: Liz actually is joining us, not just for the episode,
Speaker 5: but also watched it with us. So there are things
Speaker 5: that will never be fit to primt But I wish
Speaker 5: y'all could have heard us giggling like a bunch of
Speaker 5: schoolgirls figuring out what was going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: I really have to echo, you know, Hillary's point that
Speaker 5: this is such a huge undertaking this episode. The level
Speaker 5: of basketball that you had to shoot, the flashbacks, all
Speaker 5: the traveling, I mean, it's just unbelievable. And since it
Speaker 5: was your first one, you said they were freaking out,
Speaker 5: I'm like, did they give you any help? Did they
Speaker 5: just throw you in the deep end? Did you get
Speaker 5: a mentor like, how did you do this?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think you know, when you're hired, you
Speaker 6: don't know what script you're getting, right, Like, you get
Speaker 6: hired so far ahead of time and they're like, you're
Speaker 6: doing episode five and nobody knows what that will be.
Speaker 6: And then I got the script and I remember the
Speaker 6: producer from Wilmington calling me and being.
Speaker 5: Like it's really big.
Speaker 6: It's all locations not on our stages, like are you
Speaker 6: gonna be okay? And I said, I'll figure it out,
Speaker 6: you know, And I just figured it out, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean it's I had done a movie before, so
Speaker 6: it's not like I'd never directed. But you know, the
Speaker 6: thing with being an episodic director that's so weird is
Speaker 6: it's like this weird puzzle of how do you fit
Speaker 6: in and stand out at the same time, because you
Speaker 6: need to make an episode of a show that looks
Speaker 6: like the show, but then you want to make like
Speaker 6: a great episode. So it's just kind of navigating that
Speaker 6: and realizing that you don't have the control that you
Speaker 6: have as a director on a film at all.
Speaker 3: Well for you to do something that is totally your
Speaker 3: own but also still fit into the overall look and
Speaker 3: feel of the show. This flashback episode was great because
Speaker 3: you got to do some different stuff than what we've
Speaker 3: been seeing. You know, it could look different. We're seeing La,
Speaker 3: we're seeing New York. We'll get it down New York logged.
Speaker 3: But you get to create worlds that the audience isn't
Speaker 3: already familiar with, and so there's a little bit of
Speaker 3: freedom there. And I think you did a really good
Speaker 3: job of making these places feel like total Like it
Speaker 3: felt like Peyton was across the country. I felt separate
Speaker 3: from everyone in this. So we're talking about what is
Speaker 3: the synopsis? Flashing back three years, Nathan and Lucas win
Speaker 3: their College two champion College Division.
Speaker 4: Two championship game. I can't read.
Speaker 3: That felt like a whole movie all by itself. Missing Peyton,
Speaker 3: Lucas flies to La to surprise Peyton, but the trip
Speaker 3: doesn't go as planned. That was a whole little movie
Speaker 3: all by itself, and it ends in a breakup after
Speaker 3: Lucas proposes. Lucas finds out his book is going to
Speaker 3: be published and flies straight to New York City, where
Speaker 3: he reunites with Brooke, who is trying to decide the
Speaker 3: fate of Close Over Bros.
Speaker 4: Again, its own little movie there.
Speaker 3: You're really dealing with like three very separate chunks here
Speaker 3: and then the current day stuff.
Speaker 6: And Chad was in like everything I noticed, like like
Speaker 6: he really got like I feel like almost no days
Speaker 6: off that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now what were we doing, Sophia? You were sick.
Speaker 5: I was so sick shooting this episode. I mean you
Speaker 5: can hear my sinus infection, just like there's not an
Speaker 5: ounce of air getting into my nasal passages at all.
Speaker 4: It's all mouth.
Speaker 6: I remember you sopia falling asleep in between, like when
Speaker 6: we were shooting Lucas in his hotel room. I remember
Speaker 6: you sleeping in your chair and then powdering your nose
Speaker 6: because it was so red from being like you were sick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was so sick. Everyone was calling me Rudolph,
Speaker 5: and I was like, I can't help it. I should
Speaker 5: have been doing a Cleanex commercial that week.
Speaker 3: I like that you played it off as kind of tipsy.
Speaker 3: You're like, I've just been drinking shit and.
Speaker 5: We've just gotten really hammered tonight.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It worked for that pre Champagne. It sounded weird. Post Champagne.
Speaker 5: It kind of just made Brooks seem more drunk, which
Speaker 5: was excellent. Liz. I'm so curious because you did something
Speaker 5: technically and I want to know. Was two thousand and
Speaker 5: eight a moment where cameras were changing. I have so
Speaker 5: many questions because your basketball scenes for that championship game
Speaker 5: feel different, and we've shot so much basketball on our
Speaker 5: show and we've I've seen so many of these things,
Speaker 5: but but you had camera in with the players, like
Speaker 5: it felt like a camera was mounted on someone running
Speaker 5: through all these athletes. What was that or did you
Speaker 5: just say I want these games to feel like Friday
Speaker 5: night lights, like like those football games feel kind.
Speaker 6: Of you know, it's I mean, I had done a
Speaker 6: lot of stuff because of like music videos, like the
Speaker 6: visual stuff for me was I'd been working on for
Speaker 6: years and years, and I remember it was just like saying,
Speaker 6: like I wanted to go steady cam on the court. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I were like, we've never done that, and I was like,
Speaker 6: why not? You know, I mean, look, it takes longer
Speaker 6: because you can't really shoot multiple cameras because then the
Speaker 6: steady cam is in everything, right, you can't point a
Speaker 6: bunch of cameras at the same time. And then we
Speaker 6: also shot a lot of that step ninety degree shutter,
Speaker 6: which makes it feel like a little more sharper like
Speaker 6: Friday Night Lights did that a lot in the football stuff,
Speaker 6: but I remember doing that. I mean it was a
Speaker 6: long day that day, but uh, it's like all on
Speaker 6: one day. But uh. And the crew was so excited
Speaker 6: because they're like, we've shot so much basketball, but we've
Speaker 6: actually not done this. So then they were like, what
Speaker 6: about this? What about that? You know? And then we
Speaker 6: did a lot of zooms, did a lot of handhund
Speaker 6: and we just kind of tried to make it really
Speaker 6: kind of a dreamalized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was always so separate. It was like crane
Speaker 3: shots before, so there was a wideness to it that
Speaker 3: getting into it felt kind of dirty. It film like
Speaker 3: grown up men playing basketball instead of little boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in the thick of it.
Speaker 5: And the steaks went up like you. I caught myself
Speaker 5: holding my breath. And then when you drop back to
Speaker 5: wide when Nathan sinks that winning shot, it feels like
Speaker 5: magic because suddenly the audience is blown backwards and you go.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, is he gonna make it?
Speaker 5: Like it's all in slow mo.
Speaker 6: It's so cool, And luckily James actually makes a lot
Speaker 6: of shots so you can just shoot him. You know,
Speaker 6: he was good.
Speaker 4: It's so good.
Speaker 3: Where did you learn so much about camera though, because
Speaker 3: you know, anytime we have someone on, we like to
Speaker 3: know kind of what your background is so that anybody
Speaker 3: else who wants to follow in those footsteps has a roadmap.
Speaker 3: But you did come in knowing a lot about what
Speaker 3: shots you wanted to do and the technicalities of it.
Speaker 3: And that was really attractive to me to see a
Speaker 3: woman come in and be like, I know what I
Speaker 3: want do this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there weren't a lot of us then. You know,
Speaker 6: I went to film school, but I really so I
Speaker 6: did that, But I also was a pah forever and
Speaker 6: during music videos and when music videos were like big,
Speaker 6: you know, it was like David Fincher directing music videos
Speaker 6: and you know, Michael Bay and Michelle Gondry and like
Speaker 6: these incredible, big scale directors, and I was just like
Speaker 6: a pa, just constantly kind of watching. And then I
Speaker 6: kind of went up from there, and then I became
Speaker 6: an editor, and then I became a director and kind
Speaker 6: of came I mean really just like the old fashioned apprenticeship,
Speaker 6: like started picking up trash.
Speaker 3: But those are the trash parts important, and and that
Speaker 3: I think probably was the reason why you created such
Speaker 3: a sound set. Like everybody was on equal footing on
Speaker 3: our set when you were there. There wasn't that weird
Speaker 3: like hierarchy thing because we always were trying We've had
Speaker 3: last Letter our PA on the show. We're always trying
Speaker 3: to champion everybody on their way up. But when you
Speaker 3: have leadership on set that sets that tone, it makes
Speaker 3: a huge difference. And I personally want to know what
Speaker 3: music videos you worked on, because that is the I
Speaker 3: get pumped about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna need a video list please
Speaker 5: and things.
Speaker 6: I mean I did. I did like over a hundred
Speaker 6: of them, And I think I think that's how I
Speaker 6: got this job, because like I met with the producers
Speaker 6: in LA who didn't really want to meet with me,
Speaker 6: and then they're like, you worked with you, you worked
Speaker 6: with Rim, you worked with blinkin eighty two, And I
Speaker 6: think that plus, it was like the right time, right
Speaker 6: it was season five, so it was like the show
Speaker 6: had been running long enough, but it was right before
Speaker 6: everybody on the show started to direct, you know, it
Speaker 6: was right before all the writers and editors. Uh yeah,
Speaker 6: and Coourse directed, so it's like there was this weird
Speaker 6: little window. But yeah, I sh had a lot of
Speaker 6: music videos.
Speaker 3: Wow, you need a best of box set, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, just like all your music videos.
Speaker 4: Kids don't know what those are anymore.
Speaker 3: I keep trying to explain to my son what MTV was,
Speaker 3: and he's like, mom, what, like so cool?
Speaker 5: You're like, it's literally a miniature movie about your favorite song.
Speaker 5: They were the coolest.
Speaker 4: Do they still make music videos?
Speaker 6: I think they do, you know, I think they're a lot.
Speaker 6: They're either I feel like they're super polarized now, like
Speaker 6: they're either for zero money and shot on an iPhone,
Speaker 6: or you have like CORP corporate sponsorship and they're really
Speaker 6: kind of like elongated commercials.
Speaker 4: Do commercial Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 5: And then you get the artists, like the rare ones,
Speaker 5: you know, like a Beyonce who can make a visual
Speaker 5: album of her choosing and that truly is an art film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a whole movie.
Speaker 6: God.
Speaker 5: I just I loved when we knew our favorite bands
Speaker 5: were dropping videos and it was like coming Friday. It
Speaker 5: was such a big deal and it was so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these kids don't know what they're missing.
Speaker 3: They'll show them. We'll show them.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: So when you said that the producers didn't want to
Speaker 3: meet with you, was it your agent that was pushing
Speaker 3: you to try to come on our show, because certainly
Speaker 3: you did not watch this.
Speaker 6: I watched it before I got the meeting, but I
Speaker 6: wasn't watching it necessarily before. I'm old.
Speaker 4: Listen, we didn't watch it either. That's why we're watching
Speaker 4: it now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know. I think what happened was
Speaker 6: the producers called my agent wanting to meet with somebody else,
Speaker 6: and she said, like, he's never going to meet with you,
Speaker 6: because I think it was somebody super huge. And I said,
Speaker 6: she said you should meet Liz and they said, we
Speaker 6: don't really and they like, just meet her, just like
Speaker 6: just say hi, you don't have to give her a job.
Speaker 6: And then I went in for a meeting and then
Speaker 6: got a job.
Speaker 4: How quickly did they offer it to you?
Speaker 6: They offered it to me while I was there.
Speaker 4: Girl, that feels good and in the room.
Speaker 5: Offer is really nice in the room offer.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, So, knowing you were going to go in for
Speaker 5: the meeting, how many episodes did you watch to have
Speaker 5: some sort of talking points about it?
Speaker 6: I mean I love a study assignment. So, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I watched the pilot, and then I think I watched
Speaker 6: like a couple of season two, a couple of season three,
Speaker 6: and then I watched season four. We were up to you.
Speaker 4: I watched the entirety of season four.
Speaker 6: I think I watched most of it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: I like, I can't. I'm a nerd and so I
Speaker 6: can't go in and unprepared, like I just it's not
Speaker 6: my style.
Speaker 3: But then you ended up directing a number of episodes.
Speaker 4: How many did you total?
Speaker 6: Four?
Speaker 3: And were they all I mean season this is season five?
Speaker 3: So you did seasons four and five or did you
Speaker 3: come back later too? I'm sorry, so five and six.
Speaker 6: Five and six, and then I did two this season,
Speaker 6: maybe one in six, and then I had a baby,
Speaker 6: and then I think I did one in seven.
Speaker 7: Maybe you were one of the first people I think
Speaker 7: I told I was having a baby because you had
Speaker 7: had a baby, and I didn't know anybody else who'd
Speaker 7: had a baby. And it was like, I'm coming out
Speaker 7: to La and I don't know Liz, like I don't
Speaker 7: know what to do.
Speaker 4: I knew that you had.
Speaker 3: Just had one, and you were like, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: fun to go to Cedars.
Speaker 5: Amazing. That is amazing, You'll survive. I'm curious, Liz, what
Speaker 5: memories do you have from this episode? I mean, aside
Speaker 5: from me being sick as a dog, Like, what, what
Speaker 5: do you remember about your first trip to Wilmington.
Speaker 6: I had never been, and I remember thinking, God, I
Speaker 6: can't believe we're gonna fly to New York and then
Speaker 6: to LA and like, because I read the script and
Speaker 6: they were like, you know you're not leaving Wilmington.
Speaker 4: That's hilarious. We're going to go everywhere.
Speaker 6: And I was like, Oh, it's amazing. So I remember
Speaker 6: like trying and I remember having lived in New York
Speaker 6: and lived in LA being like, oh, really, we're going
Speaker 6: to do this all here, and being really nervous about that,
Speaker 6: and I'm trying to think of what else. I just
Speaker 6: in some ways it's funny. In some ways, the location
Speaker 6: thing was easier for me because I'm used to like
Speaker 6: scouting my own locations, like rather than plugging into something
Speaker 6: like this and like lighting that existed like that, I
Speaker 6: knew how to that way. I just remember a lot
Speaker 6: of scouting, a lot of night shoots, like Central Park
Speaker 6: was at night Sophia like that, and I remember loving
Speaker 6: the crew so much and like really having big advocates
Speaker 6: and like once I got in there, like really having
Speaker 6: people on that crew who would like help me do
Speaker 6: what I wanted to do and like got excited about
Speaker 6: doing things a little different. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, Peter Kowalski our DP.
Speaker 6: Oh, Peter is the best. And Matt has the camera operator.
Speaker 5: Oh, oh my god, Matt is such a good steady
Speaker 5: cam He's so goodacious.
Speaker 3: They really were such a great crew, and I think
Speaker 3: that they understood young people and they championed young people
Speaker 3: because they'd also just witnessed all the Dawson's Creek kids
Speaker 3: like go off and blow up, you know, and so
Speaker 3: our crew was lovely and you were much older than us,
Speaker 3: and so for us, like it was this cool big
Speaker 3: sister coming in that could speak our language and didn't
Speaker 3: talk down to us and asked our opinion about stuff,
Speaker 3: and it was I mean, it was thrilling for me
Speaker 3: because I was in.
Speaker 4: The process of like, oh, I'm going to start a production.
Speaker 3: Company and here you come and you're like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: good at this. Whatever, watch this. We're gonna put a
Speaker 3: Steticham on the court. Was there anything in the script
Speaker 3: that stood out to you like, oh God, I gotta
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 6: I mean I always, like, still to this day, I
Speaker 6: get nervous about like heart to hearts, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, because like chacter, well you kind of like
Speaker 6: have to get out of the way and in a
Speaker 6: certain like you're not gonna like hick the crap out
Speaker 6: of it and like move around or come up with
Speaker 6: some insane blocking. So but I just thought, you, like
Speaker 6: I remember reading stuff in the script and being like,
Speaker 6: I don't know how that's going to work, and then
Speaker 6: watching rehearsals and being like that's better than it ever
Speaker 6: had a right to be. Like it like just the
Speaker 6: amount of skill with which you guys can pull stuff off.
Speaker 6: I remember being incredibly impressed with. I remember shooting Hillary
Speaker 6: in that hotel room set which.
Speaker 8: Was tiny thereon the Beverly Hilton, and it was a
Speaker 8: lot of pages and like a tiny I think three wall,
Speaker 8: Like I don't know if there was the fourth wall
Speaker 8: in there.
Speaker 4: It was so sweaty in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we can get into storyline cause for us,
Speaker 3: like having new blood come in and rehash the same
Speaker 3: old relationships again. You know, this could have been an
Speaker 3: episode where it's like, really, we're gonna do the Brook
Speaker 3: Payton Lucas thing again, Like we've done that to death,
Speaker 3: and it felt fresh and like it hurt, you know,
Speaker 3: and you would have never known that we did that
Speaker 3: for two years, three years just crying, crying about each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what does it start with?
Speaker 5: The episode starts out with you know, once we get
Speaker 5: into the flashbacks, you're seeing what's been happening. And that
Speaker 5: was such a cool thing that I thought was so
Speaker 5: special about this season, the fact that we got to
Speaker 5: go back and out of nowhere. You never knew it
Speaker 5: was coming. You would just see where these characters had
Speaker 5: been and finding out that Lucas has been living with
Speaker 5: Nathan and Haley to help with Jamie, you know, seeing
Speaker 5: Jamie as a baby and him starting to speak, all
Speaker 5: of that stuff colors in our modern Tree Hill world
Speaker 5: in such a cool way. And even the way that
Speaker 5: they tie this, you know, intense wanting for a family.
Speaker 5: Lucas has into the confetti flashback when you guys did
Speaker 5: confetti and in the game you shot Liz and he's watching,
Speaker 5: you know, Nathan and Haley and the baby, and it
Speaker 5: was all just really cool. I don't know. I felt
Speaker 5: like I was in on a secret or something watching
Speaker 5: these things and being like, in that connects to this?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you know it's it's neat. When all
Speaker 5: those little puzzle pieces started coming together.
Speaker 3: That's so daunting, Like, hey, this show's been on the
Speaker 3: air for four years. Here's a massive episode. And also
Speaker 3: you have to tie it to all of these little
Speaker 3: easter eggs, the previous episodes that you weren't here for.
Speaker 5: Like what did somebody make you like a did they
Speaker 5: compile those scenes for you or make you like a
Speaker 5: visual you know, board with screenshots stills of those scenes
Speaker 5: to be like this is what it looked like and
Speaker 5: this is what we're matching, or did they just say
Speaker 5: good luck?
Speaker 6: I think I got like, I mean, this is so
Speaker 6: uh telling of the time it was. I got like
Speaker 6: a book of CDs of all the episodes or like
Speaker 6: DVD's rather dvs, which the other day I found one
Speaker 6: and my daughter held up and said, what is this
Speaker 6: rainbow donut? I just no idea what it.
Speaker 5: Is, but a rainbow donut?
Speaker 6: Wow? But in the script it did I remember, said like,
Speaker 6: and he looks at it and we flashed back to episodisode,
Speaker 6: you know, parents like it had a lot of that
Speaker 6: in the script, parents etically, so I remember going back
Speaker 6: and looking at that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so much.
Speaker 5: You know what made me uncomfortable. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you felt this way as our incoming director, but something
Speaker 5: that made me really uncomfortable was that everyone's nineteen and
Speaker 5: we're just like, yeah, you're going to be the first
Speaker 5: ever student coach at this college.
Speaker 3: You're going to.
Speaker 5: Start a high end coup tour line and start your
Speaker 5: own magazine. Every more people want to have kids. I
Speaker 5: was like, what is happening? These people are nineteen? Like
Speaker 5: I almost spit out my dinner when Peyton said we're nineteen, Lucas.
Speaker 4: Just one more year? I was like, what is that happening?
Speaker 6: It's just one more And then Peyton, the one person
Speaker 6: who actually has a job that is a nineteen year
Speaker 6: old job, gets the crap from Lucas for having that job.
Speaker 3: Dude, listen, all I'm saying is the Peyton Sawyer was
Speaker 3: on the right track.
Speaker 4: I am like one.
Speaker 3: I love how insecure Lindsay is ha get you. This
Speaker 3: is like the third episode in a row where she's like, no,
Speaker 3: but really, are we good?
Speaker 4: Are you sure you weren't happier then? And I love it.
Speaker 3: But Peyton has been so rational, like so absolutely rational. Yes,
Speaker 3: she's like, no, I can't take off work. I didn't
Speaker 3: know you were coming to town. Yes, I have to
Speaker 3: leave dinner. Yes I will meet you later. What the
Speaker 3: fuck is this ring? Like she's the only person making
Speaker 3: sense right now.
Speaker 5: Truly, And I gotta say, I've so been enjoying everyone's
Speaker 5: relationship dynamics this season. So seeing the writers put Lucas's
Speaker 5: character back into like early Lucas where he's really like
Speaker 5: I hate to say it, but I have to it
Speaker 5: made me sad, like manipulative and this whole thing like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: if you're not going to give me this relationship the
Speaker 5: way I want it, then we're over me or I'll
Speaker 5: leave you.
Speaker 4: Like it was so intense.
Speaker 5: I was so glad that Brooke brought the humor in
Speaker 5: it later and was like, are you stupid?
Speaker 4: Like you stormed La and you went all crazy.
Speaker 5: On her, you lunatic. I was like, Okay, great, at
Speaker 5: least the girls are being rational here, because this feels
Speaker 5: like a lot of energy.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Liz As like a young woman, how do
Speaker 4: you look.
Speaker 3: At a script like that and say, oh, I have
Speaker 3: to keep this person endearing.
Speaker 4: I have to make this make sense.
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, look, I think in that I just
Speaker 6: identified with Peyton Moore. You know what I mean. I think,
Speaker 6: but it's funny. I don't know. It was extra mean
Speaker 6: to me this time, like I think being younger it
Speaker 6: was mean, but less mean. And now with perspective, I
Speaker 6: was like, that is like you come in and you
Speaker 6: love bomb her and then you give her an ultimatum
Speaker 6: and then you're pissed when the ultimatum doesn't go your way,
Speaker 6: and then you pout and then you try and get
Speaker 6: with her friends. Like it was just like it was
Speaker 6: just some really bad behavior.
Speaker 3: Well, everyone knows Peyton's trigger is people always leave, So
Speaker 3: then he leaves hard and.
Speaker 5: She just leaves the CD on the thing to be like,
Speaker 5: to be clear, I'm leaving. That was mean and I.
Speaker 4: Don't want to think of you. Songs to make me
Speaker 4: think of you, I don't want them. Oh I was
Speaker 4: so brutal. Woof.
Speaker 9: Also, like, what did you say when we watched it, Hillary,
Speaker 9: when Lucas kisses Brook and you were talking about how
Speaker 9: the lines for me are about high school and it
Speaker 9: was so spot on.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, brook Davis.
Speaker 3: I was just talking about like the supremacy of brook
Speaker 3: Davis because the rejection was delicious because you know, younger
Speaker 3: brook Davis would have been.
Speaker 4: Like, this is everything I've wanted, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like Lucas picked me and like he's kissing me
Speaker 3: and whatever. Where we are going to be a power
Speaker 3: couple when we grow up. We're the match.
Speaker 4: And she's just.
Speaker 3: Like, hey, here's your ring Take two Advillain in the morning.
Speaker 4: It's been real.
Speaker 5: This is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 6: She says, you're not going to see me for a while,
Speaker 6: like you were or not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Like I super love you and you're my friend,
Speaker 5: but this is an unacceptable way to treat a person.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think really interesting that she gives Lucas
Speaker 5: the medicine she needs. You know, I haven't found my person,
Speaker 5: so I'm going to go build my work and maybe
Speaker 5: you should do the same. But if you do it,
Speaker 5: at least you know who your person is and she'll
Speaker 5: have some space to come back to you. And it's interesting,
Speaker 5: like the sort of levels of how you can use
Speaker 5: work as armor. And I liked that there was a
Speaker 5: distinction between the two even though she she was sort
Speaker 5: of talking herself in to making this big career choice
Speaker 5: by talking Lucas into focusing on his It's just kind
Speaker 5: of neat well.
Speaker 3: And I like the synchronicity of like everything happening on
Speaker 3: the same day, because I do fin like for me,
Speaker 3: that's how life works. It's like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: there's this random string of coincidences and everything's happening all
Speaker 3: at once, and you're in the flow, and you know
Speaker 3: you're getting all those like phone calls and lots of
Speaker 3: big dramatic things happening in your life, and then you
Speaker 3: go through a lull, and Peyton's in a lull for sure,
Speaker 3: but Brooke isn't, and Lucas isn't and Nathan isn't, and
Speaker 3: it's really exciting for everyone back home and that feeling
Speaker 3: of apartness like her, Like Liz, you really did a
Speaker 3: good job of not letting Peyton bemoan her life at all,
Speaker 3: like she thinks she's doing it.
Speaker 4: But it looks really sad that mail cart. Ah, we
Speaker 4: pushed that all day.
Speaker 6: I think we did. Yeah, we had one hallway to
Speaker 6: call Los Angeles, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hallway, one little office. We had five scenes.
Speaker 5: We couldn't have found a more modern home to shoot
Speaker 5: New York in for Brooken Victoria, that southern gothic place
Speaker 5: that's supposed to be a New York apartment and it's
Speaker 5: clearly like a gorgeous, you know, downtown historic mansion was
Speaker 5: so wild, Liz, I can't even imagine for you, you
Speaker 5: poor thing. Like I bet somebody was just like, well,
Speaker 5: this could be you know, some fancy pre war building
Speaker 5: on Park Avenue.
Speaker 6: And yeah, they're like, it's like a townhouse. Right. I
Speaker 6: remember pushing back and pushing back and then getting like
Speaker 6: swacked down for that, you know, because I drifted movies, right,
Speaker 6: So movies are directors medium. TV is a writers and
Speaker 6: producers medium, really, and so I came in like I
Speaker 6: think we need to look for and they were like, yeah.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's all about company moves. We're not gonna move. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sorry about that.
Speaker 3: But seriously, I love how square Brooke Davis is because
Speaker 3: they've got her living with her mom in this like
Speaker 3: goofy house that's.
Speaker 4: Supposed to be your townhouse, apartment whatever.
Speaker 3: But also she's like we're in midtown, whoo, Like no
Speaker 3: nineteen year old hangs out in Midtown.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, she'd be downtown.
Speaker 5: We would have been at butter in this era, we
Speaker 5: would have been like out at the New York clubs
Speaker 5: and they had us at like an oyster place on
Speaker 5: the river. It's so funny, like remember Bungalow eight and like,
Speaker 5: oh man, they were all the places. It was so
Speaker 5: fun We would have been in meatpacking.
Speaker 3: Whoever was making these decisions. Yeah, the meatpacking district had
Speaker 3: just gotten like super sexy. You know, it's still a
Speaker 3: little dangerous back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's really so so. But that's a
Speaker 5: really interesting way that you put it, Liz, is that
Speaker 5: it really is, you know, sort of the writer and
Speaker 5: producer medium because they are there week to week and
Speaker 5: the directors are coming and going, and I think that
Speaker 5: makes it even cooler to see, you know, the mark
Speaker 5: that you were able to make on our show. You
Speaker 5: really put your stamp on it, and it's just fun.
Speaker 3: On the flip side of all of the Lucas manipulation,
Speaker 3: we've got this like creepy foreshadowing that's happening with Nathan
Speaker 3: oh Man where it's just we know where Nathan is
Speaker 3: present day, but we're seeing the seeds get planted why
Speaker 3: he tells Nathan to be careful. If you're not careful,
Speaker 3: your temper will be all that you have left.
Speaker 4: Dunt du dah.
Speaker 5: And for him to say, you can't just play better,
Speaker 5: You've got to live better. And he really gives him
Speaker 5: that beautiful speech about you know who you want to
Speaker 5: be and that if he wants to live this thing down,
Speaker 5: it's going to be about how he lives as a man.
Speaker 5: And it's so beautiful. I think, because we've talked about
Speaker 5: this before, how you can really make allowances for people's
Speaker 5: failures and their mistakes when you know them, because you
Speaker 5: know the scope of their life, you know that the
Speaker 5: people you love are so much more than their mistakes.
Speaker 5: And we make a lot of allowances the characters in
Speaker 5: this show for each other, for growth and failure and
Speaker 5: all the things. And I think it's a really beautiful
Speaker 5: thing to encourage. And then what I thought was so
Speaker 5: accurate and honestly like kind of stung to watch was
Speaker 5: the way that boy was screaming at Nathan and the
Speaker 5: way he was talking to him, because that's the way
Speaker 5: people heckle you when you're any version of famous. People
Speaker 5: just they throw darts in your face, they say terrible
Speaker 5: things to people, Like I just watched some friends you
Speaker 5: know of mine get heckled a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 5: because they stood up for their kid, and like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, it's just gross, and I I guess maybe
Speaker 5: now that we're all older, that sort of stuff feels
Speaker 5: more personal, the way that strangers like to isolate and
Speaker 5: then inflate and not let go of anything you might
Speaker 5: have done, or anything you might be embarrassed about that's
Speaker 5: happened to you, or any of it. You know, people
Speaker 5: love to talk about people they don't know, and I
Speaker 5: don't know, it just hit hard watching Nathan go through that,
Speaker 5: because all he wants is to move on and he's
Speaker 5: trying so hard and other people don't want to let him,
Speaker 5: and it humanized him in a way that I just
Speaker 5: don't think I could see when I was younger, and
Speaker 5: maybe I hadn't, you know, lived through so much and
Speaker 5: watched other people go through so much.
Speaker 3: You hadn't gotten all the poop emojis yet, you know.
Speaker 5: But I I just thought that that was really poignant
Speaker 5: and it felt really true. And then to see an
Speaker 5: adult try to say, you know, you're gonna have to
Speaker 5: make choices here. You're going to have to choose to
Speaker 5: live differently if you don't want, you know, to be
Speaker 5: left with it it. Oh, the pang because we know
Speaker 5: where Nathan ends up was special and.
Speaker 6: That Heckler goes after his kid, right, like yeah, that
Speaker 6: like you can see Nathan trying and trying and then
Speaker 6: the kid thing comes up and he just snaps like
Speaker 6: he's got that in him, that like little bit of
Speaker 6: Dan Scott in him. That is like he's trying to
Speaker 6: push it down and trying to push it down. But
Speaker 6: when someone goes after your kid, it's just animal instinct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm a nightmare.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm pta now in there, just getting to
Speaker 3: know all those bullies. Liz, speaking of kid stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: you're trying to depict a nineteen year old couple with
Speaker 3: a baby in this and we didn't have our kids yet,
Speaker 3: Like what were you trying to model that after? Because
Speaker 3: it did look very like all American and sweet, which
Speaker 3: in hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have done to America. I know, right,
Speaker 3: we should have made a look harder.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the worst part is that Haley's not getting sleep,
Speaker 6: Like that's the worst yeah. I mean, look, I didn't
Speaker 6: have a kid then. Anyway, It's funny what I realized
Speaker 6: now is I remember the night we were doing that.
Speaker 6: You know, it's a toddler, right, so he's not being
Speaker 6: quiet when he's supposed to be quiet, and he's like
Speaker 6: singing in some takes and he's talking it like and
Speaker 6: it didn't matter. And I remember trying to like wrestle
Speaker 6: it to control. And then I remember in editing thinking
Speaker 6: Joy did such a nice job and it actually brought
Speaker 6: something to it because she's constantly like having to pick
Speaker 6: up the toy that he threw or like ad lib
Speaker 6: in something to kind of redirect. And I remember that
Speaker 6: it was like one of those moments where I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this was an opportunity, Like I so wanted to wrestle
Speaker 6: it into control, and it was actually an opportunity and
Speaker 6: was nice to give her something more to do it,
Speaker 6: to like literally grapple with. But yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 6: also like their house was not nearly messy enough, No,
Speaker 6: not by a mile.
Speaker 4: Her hair looked nice, you know what I mean, Like she.
Speaker 5: Had makeup on, she showered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, girl, we're on day three of this hair
Speaker 3: right now. And that's what you do in parenthood. You
Speaker 3: just let the grease.
Speaker 4: Settle in where it's gonna settle.
Speaker 3: But I like that we got to see Hayley and
Speaker 3: Nathan at like peek happy, you know, because my favorite
Speaker 3: vote of this episode was that hardcore makeout at the end.
Speaker 5: By the Trophies. Girl.
Speaker 4: There is nice.
Speaker 3: I love more than a post fight makeout. I love it.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to sleep with you.
Speaker 3: I just want to make out like we're seventeen fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes before your mom gets home, you know.
Speaker 6: I remember shooting that. Joy's super sexy in that. But
Speaker 6: I remember shooting that. I remember doing a take and
Speaker 6: then and it was like a cute kiss. And I
Speaker 6: remember talking to them and saying like, look, I think
Speaker 6: you guys haven't kissed in a long time, like a
Speaker 6: long time. Like you're not in a good place. I
Speaker 6: don't even know that you're sleeping in the same room,
Speaker 6: like you haven't touched. So when it's like maybe it's
Speaker 6: tentative at first, and then like what does that feel
Speaker 6: like if all of a sudden those floodgates of like
Speaker 6: your contact and they both were like got it.
Speaker 5: Like we what to do?
Speaker 4: We got it?
Speaker 6: And then that was the next take and they were
Speaker 6: so good, they were so hot.
Speaker 3: The line what was the line, Sophia, Oh, he says,
Speaker 3: He says, We're not the couple we used to be,
Speaker 3: but we're going to get there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sexy.
Speaker 5: And also to have seen them in these happy moments
Speaker 5: reminded you of where they were. You know, it built
Speaker 5: the bridge between ultimate Nathan Haley end of high school
Speaker 5: and then this fractured couple that you've seen in season five,
Speaker 5: and to see them on that bridge felt so nice.
Speaker 5: And then to come into this end moment where she's
Speaker 5: just doing this nice thing for him and he acknowledges it.
Speaker 5: He's acknowledging her in ways that he hasn't and he
Speaker 5: reminds her of that thing he said in the last episode,
Speaker 5: and suddenly it's it's like we're gonna get there, We're
Speaker 5: gonna make it. The whole thing was so charged and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, okay, okay, characters, I'm in for this.
Speaker 4: That felt adult.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you you really do feel the sort of
Speaker 5: adult relationship in in this season, Like everybody's just like
Speaker 5: a little more settled and people are calling it like
Speaker 5: it is. And I liked it.
Speaker 4: Brooke Davis just call it out like it is. It's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god.
Speaker 3: Comedy of Brook Davis's episode was so fun. Again, totally
Speaker 3: different movies than the Basketball that was all like, you know.
Speaker 4: Fun sexy boys being fast.
Speaker 3: Brook Davis is had to doing her own little Sandra
Speaker 3: Bullock rom com with like Lucas down on one knee and.
Speaker 4: Victoria comes in at that time.
Speaker 5: It was incredible, incredible. I love those storylines so much.
Speaker 5: And even the fact that Brooke just leaves her mom
Speaker 5: to stew all night. I've been calling you all night.
Speaker 5: I will drop in Norman papers.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: It's honestly great parenting A plus Victoria. But like I
Speaker 5: loved when I got comedy like this, and I loved
Speaker 5: at the end when Lucas comes looking for you, just
Speaker 5: getting to be like, oh, I see that shit all
Speaker 5: over your face. Okay, interesting, you've said no and she
Speaker 5: said no and you're both liars, got it?
Speaker 3: And I liked it. Brook just doesn't give a no
Speaker 3: to say the thing out loud. You're still in love
Speaker 3: with her, aren't you. That was so ballsy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the way you played it is like, it's
Speaker 6: delicious when you like you loved it, like Brook loved
Speaker 6: saying it. You know, she was like, oh I have
Speaker 6: your number. Yeah I did it like a delicious delivery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brooke Davis loves to know a secret.
Speaker 3: Well, because there was a mislead there because we've just
Speaker 3: seen him like kiss you in the flashback.
Speaker 4: There's that moment of like did we follow the wrong paths?
Speaker 3: You lean down and you're wearing like a button up
Speaker 3: shirt that's a little like cleavagey, and it's like, is
Speaker 3: Brook Davis gonna come on to Lucas and instead she just.
Speaker 4: Calls his And it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: You lured it in just to cast it back out.
Speaker 5: Like hey, mister, I got your number. Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 5: was so fun.
Speaker 3: A loved Easter egg that we discovered in the episode
Speaker 3: was that the picture that Lucas has in his phone
Speaker 3: of Peyton.
Speaker 4: Is one of the psycho dek pictures Like hello.
Speaker 10: Producers, guys, people who do that behind the scenes work,
Speaker 10: Like I exclaimed, it couldn't have been a date photo,
Speaker 10: Like it couldn't have been some cute picture of the
Speaker 10: two of you.
Speaker 5: They just went, oh, here's a picture of Hillary and
Speaker 5: it's like, well, yeah, guys, but that's a picture that
Speaker 5: her you know, fake brother psycho stalker took, maybe not
Speaker 5: the one that should be in her actual boyfriend's phone.
Speaker 5: That was a fail.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine Lucas just like, I mean, it's a
Speaker 4: good picture.
Speaker 5: He's like, and I just really like it.
Speaker 4: What a creep?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Liz, how much say did you have over that stuff?
Speaker 3: That was all insert work that like probably someone else
Speaker 3: shot right.
Speaker 6: That I don't remember. I mean some of it like
Speaker 6: when you come on direct, I mean some of it
Speaker 6: you do, and some of it you don't. Like I
Speaker 6: remember in that first like the bookend scenes with Lindsey,
Speaker 6: I remember saying, it's so weird to me that she's
Speaker 6: in workwere like, you're hanging out at home, and I
Speaker 6: remember saying, like, are you. I was so surprised that
Speaker 6: she didn't come in wearing like sweats and a T
Speaker 6: shirt or you know, something like that. And I got
Speaker 6: in trouble because it was like, this is what she's wearing,
Speaker 6: this is mu's been pick and I was like, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 6: So it depend show. It depends show to show. And
Speaker 6: I don't know that you're right about the instruct I
Speaker 6: don't know that I actually shot that phone, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, I think that might have been held.
Speaker 6: But yeah, sometimes sometimes you pick and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 5: And sometimes you see it and go, hmm, okay.
Speaker 6: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Choosing your battles is it's hard to begin with, right,
Speaker 3: But choosing your battles when you are a female in
Speaker 3: our industry, particularly in the early two thousands, was I mean,
Speaker 3: that was an art form trying to figure out, like,
Speaker 3: am I gonna piss them off if I push this?
Speaker 4: I don't know? Is it worth it? I don't know.
Speaker 4: Were there any.
Speaker 3: Battles that you wish you would push further for, or
Speaker 3: any that you won that you want to brag about.
Speaker 6: I mean, on this episode, the basketball was a win
Speaker 6: because I got like, we really shot egregiously long, which
Speaker 6: I'm not proud of, no Crucian shoot, but I remember
Speaker 6: thinking that, like, and I think my pitch was like,
Speaker 6: this is a college game has to feel bigger than
Speaker 6: a high school game, Like if we're saying this is
Speaker 6: a vision too, like televised like defining moment basketball like
Speaker 6: it needs to be. And so I remember like spending
Speaker 6: a lot of points that day, like in terms of
Speaker 6: equipment and hours and crowd and things like that, and
Speaker 6: then you know stuff I mean, and then like it's
Speaker 6: always interesting, like you know as a director, like I
Speaker 6: remember shooting transitions in and out of the flashbacks and
Speaker 6: then you see and it just goes to white and
Speaker 6: you're like, Okay, that's not what I would have done,
Speaker 6: but you know for my show. So but yeah, it's
Speaker 6: funny because, like I said, I had done a movie,
Speaker 6: and on a movie, as a director, you really like
Speaker 6: you're the number one. And so when I was like,
Speaker 6: that's weird that she's wearing that, I think I just
Speaker 6: was ignorant. I don't think I knew that. You weren't
Speaker 6: supposed to be like alert, this is totally weird.
Speaker 3: Well, no, you are supposed to say alert. You are
Speaker 3: in a normal world. You say alert, and someone says, wow,
Speaker 3: that's collaborative, thank you for sharing, let's work on it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, or they say, look, I know that. But actually
Speaker 6: in the next episode she's leaving from here, so I
Speaker 6: know it's weird here, but we got it, like exactly,
Speaker 6: it's not a problem. But I really I remember getting
Speaker 6: my hand slapped for questioning, Like I really remember getting
Speaker 6: an older.
Speaker 4: That's so weird.
Speaker 3: Were you like I've directed a movie, you big dumbasses.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that probably didn't feel worth.
Speaker 6: It, Like it's a skirt, like we don't need to
Speaker 6: get so he did.
Speaker 5: But yeah, well it wouldn't it have been lovely if
Speaker 5: someone said, this is only her fifth episode and we're
Speaker 5: really trying to just establish a look for her and
Speaker 5: we want her in the look all the time, and
Speaker 5: you could have been like, Okay, I disagree, But I
Speaker 5: think that where I take issue is when is with
Speaker 5: the handslapping or the or the sort of ways that
Speaker 5: you know, we all undoubtedly on the show experienced like
Speaker 5: being demeaned for having ideas. It's kind of like, don't
Speaker 5: you want people who care enough about this thing we're
Speaker 5: all making together to point out ways we think it
Speaker 5: could be better. You can disagree, you can say I'm wrong,
Speaker 5: but you don't have to treat me like I'm stupid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's also like you have all
Speaker 6: the power anyway if you're the show runner, like why
Speaker 6: are we getting so you know, crazy about it? But
Speaker 6: I also think it's just you know, and like me
Speaker 6: talking about your crew is the perfect example of this.
Speaker 6: It's like you want people like it's like, forget that
Speaker 6: you want like a great work culture that we do.
Speaker 6: I don't mean to forget it, but like even if
Speaker 6: you're being manipulative and just trying to get more, like
Speaker 6: if people are invested and have ideas and want to
Speaker 6: do better, like they just work better and harder and
Speaker 6: they will bring shit and like you'll still look good
Speaker 6: in the end, you know, it's all. So that's what's
Speaker 6: just always weird to me about people who want people
Speaker 6: to very much stay in their lane because some of
Speaker 6: like the best directors I've ever met will take ideas
Speaker 6: from it, like best idea wins, and you're still going
Speaker 6: to get credit for it, you know, as a director,
Speaker 6: as a showrunner, as whatever. But it's just even in
Speaker 6: terms of making something good, like when people contribute, it's
Speaker 6: the work is just better. Period.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my experience MTV. It was like whether
Speaker 3: you were the vice president of the company or you
Speaker 3: were an intern, everybody went into the morning meeting and
Speaker 3: was allowed to pitch ideas and the best idea always won.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know if that was that way
Speaker 3: in the music video world. I have to imagine we
Speaker 3: were all kind of connected in that way because there
Speaker 3: were a lot of like young creatives who were making
Speaker 3: like big moves in the music video world, and so
Speaker 3: to come to this other space One Tree Hill felt
Speaker 3: so corporate to me. It was definitely like the most
Speaker 3: corporate job I ever had, because it was protocol and
Speaker 3: stay in your lane and all those kinds of like
Speaker 3: buzzwords that you've used.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was so corporate. And I lived with half the
Speaker 3: crew at the time, like I lived at the whole
Speaker 3: ad Department, and they loved you because they got to
Speaker 3: do different stuff, like all the Central Park stuff with
Speaker 3: the horses lined up. I remember them coming home and
Speaker 3: talking about that because I wasn't a part of that,
Speaker 3: and they came home and they we.
Speaker 4: Like, it really looked cool. It looked like Central Park
Speaker 4: and it was like Greenfield Lake. You know, Yeah, it
Speaker 4: feels good to stretch your muscles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like that shooting all that stuff with
Speaker 5: you even as an actor, like the New York flashbacks
Speaker 5: and you know, having this sort of night on the
Speaker 5: town where these two friends who haven't seen each other,
Speaker 5: you know, in a couple of years or having this
Speaker 5: moment and talking and I don't know, it felt really
Speaker 5: cool and it felt different and I remember even seeing
Speaker 5: what you'd created and being like, oh my god, it
Speaker 5: really does look like, you know, the south end of
Speaker 5: Central Park, Like it really it all feels kind of
Speaker 5: like something familiar, and it's exciting to change it up
Speaker 5: when you've been doing the same thing all day every day.
Speaker 4: So, Liz, would you do right after this show?
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, great, you've got your first episode of TV
Speaker 3: under your belt. You've worked with Daphne's Unique and Barry
Speaker 3: Corbin at this point, so now you're like.
Speaker 6: I should quit.
Speaker 3: By the way, I love them both, and seeing Barry
Speaker 3: because we haven't seen him this season, you know, to
Speaker 3: have them come on just to quit.
Speaker 4: We were like, what, what the hell's happening?
Speaker 3: But so then what do you do? Like what what
Speaker 3: do you take from this experience? And then start applying
Speaker 3: to other jobs?
Speaker 6: You know? I mean I think that, I mean, being
Speaker 6: an episodic director is a weird job because you're kind
Speaker 6: of always jumping into like a different not just a
Speaker 6: different show after, but like a different culture. Like people
Speaker 6: do things, different run sets, different run crap, different, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny. I mean I will tell you,
Speaker 6: like I did a lot of c W stuff that's
Speaker 6: where girls worked, by the way to the only place
Speaker 6: at the time. Yeah, you know, I did One Tree
Speaker 6: Hill and then I think I did some nine O
Speaker 6: two one ohs and some Gossip Girl.
Speaker 4: But we were your favorites though, right yeah, way.
Speaker 5: Not even.
Speaker 6: I mean I loved your cast. I loved your cast,
Speaker 6: but uh, you know, I mean that was like where
Speaker 6: I could get hired at the time. And it's interesting
Speaker 6: because like years and years later, like after I had
Speaker 6: been doing pilots and you know, stuff for streaming and
Speaker 6: network stuff. I remember trying to make a deal on
Speaker 6: a pilot and trying to get my rate up and
Speaker 6: the and the studio was like, we're not going to
Speaker 6: pay you that. And my lawyer said, let me please
Speaker 6: play the v card and I was like great, what
Speaker 6: is it? And he was like the vagina card and
Speaker 6: I was like okay, and he said and he went
Speaker 6: to them and he said, you're penalizing her because she
Speaker 6: was a woman and she started at c W, which
Speaker 6: paid less than network, and so she's now less, Like
Speaker 6: even though she's climbed, she's less. So if you want
Speaker 6: to say that, you're giving her less now compared to
Speaker 6: men who have been doing it it's on because they
Speaker 6: were to jump right into network. Yeah that's what you're saying.
Speaker 6: You're penalizing her. And they were like, let us get
Speaker 6: back to you. And I ended up getting a bump.
Speaker 6: But like that, by the way, it was only because
Speaker 6: I had somebody who knew all that, Like in yep,
Speaker 6: I can't. But so I did a lot of CW
Speaker 6: stuff for a long time.
Speaker 3: And when you were like a brand new baby director,
Speaker 3: what did you want to do? You know, because I
Speaker 3: don't think any of us, well maybe some of us
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I want to go kiss and cry
Speaker 3: and be a teenager forever, like that's a fun gig
Speaker 3: for a minute.
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, you start off in this.
Speaker 3: Business and you have really big, grand aspirations of becoming
Speaker 3: Ruth Gordon or Nicole Kidman or you know, we say Sandra.
Speaker 4: Bullock all the time, all the time.
Speaker 3: Who were the people that you were trying to model
Speaker 3: your career after.
Speaker 6: I mean, I wanted to make big movies, you know,
Speaker 6: I wanted to be Danny Boyle or you know, you know,
Speaker 6: I wanted to make big, important movies. I mean, I
Speaker 6: think what's so interesting is and I developed them, but
Speaker 6: movies take so long to make. And then as I
Speaker 6: directed TV, TV changed like a lot, you know. And
Speaker 6: now it's like where you can burn a character over
Speaker 6: eight hours or twelve hours in a streamer, you know,
Speaker 6: where you can take that time and move slower like now,
Speaker 6: I love it. But at the time, you know, TV
Speaker 6: was not what it is now.
Speaker 3: Do you think the writer's strike of two thousand and
Speaker 3: seven is what made us come out with that renaissance
Speaker 3: of television? Because when we came back from that writer's
Speaker 3: strike all of a sudden, that's when all like there
Speaker 3: were so many HBO shows that were just like hot,
Speaker 3: so many showtime shows. Cable was doing crazy things. Now
Speaker 3: we're started to do crazy things. That was you know,
Speaker 3: totally unexpected. As we're in a writer's strike right now,
Speaker 3: do you feel that kind of like creative fury bubbling up?
Speaker 3: Are we going to have an other big changeover?
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, you know, I think it's
Speaker 6: funny like all of my friends and myself who are writing,
Speaker 6: like we're writing with a fury right now because it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you won't give us this, well, we're going to write this,
Speaker 6: you know, and kind of in a way because you're
Speaker 6: not working with producers or studios. You're very bold because
Speaker 6: you can write anything because it just exists in a
Speaker 6: vacuum right now, it's not really you're not really writing
Speaker 6: to sell. So maybe Hillary, like maybe Mad because I
Speaker 6: do see it now like there's no risk really like
Speaker 6: you're just gonna write what you want because but you
Speaker 6: can't sell it right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like pure creative energy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Mad writing is good, like writing with a vengeance
Speaker 6: is good.
Speaker 4: Oh, I can't wait, I can't wait. Tell us.
Speaker 3: We've talked about the writers strike on the show here,
Speaker 3: and I've been seeing people do like themed theme strike days.
Speaker 3: There's like a Newsy's at the Disney lot. It's been
Speaker 3: a couple other ones. Yeah, we need a tree Hill
Speaker 3: strike day. Who would you dress as on tree Hill
Speaker 3: Strike Day?
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of who I could pull it
Speaker 6: off as, Like I want to say one of YouTube,
Speaker 6: but it wouldn't be cute.
Speaker 4: We are talking about.
Speaker 6: I mean, I do love Peyton and the double T
Speaker 6: shirt I think is like pretty iconic, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love what a slob she is because when she
Speaker 3: comes back to tree Hill, she's wearing all these little
Speaker 3: like slip dresses. She's trying to be all sexy, but
Speaker 3: three years ago, Peyton is like, listen, I'm not changing
Speaker 3: my pants, Like, we're just gonna wear these holy jeans, eying.
Speaker 4: Every single she's defeated.
Speaker 5: She's just busy. She's working for terrible people who are
Speaker 5: sending her on coffee runs and making her come to
Speaker 5: the office at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's getting put in her place, which I suppose
Speaker 3: was bound to happen sooner or later.
Speaker 4: Who did we miss in this episode?
Speaker 3: Sometimes we get in trouble, Liz because we pass over
Speaker 3: key points.
Speaker 5: I mean we did go through I mean at least
Speaker 5: all my notes. I will say it's an interesting episode
Speaker 5: because it really only revolves around US five, you know,
Speaker 5: and now Lindsey with Lucas. But like it, you don't
Speaker 5: see mouth, you don't see skills, you don't see anybody else.
Speaker 5: You essentially get. What you really get is the brother's story.
Speaker 5: In a way, It's like Lucas has a flashback looking
Speaker 5: at a photo of him and Nathan in the college game,
Speaker 5: and then you follow Lucas and Nathan on their journeys
Speaker 5: and Lucas, you know, does what he does, and he
Speaker 5: he makes both of the women who've loved him feel weird.
Speaker 5: And yeah, is trying to figure out how to be
Speaker 5: a dad and not turn into Dan.
Speaker 4: Well that's it. They're both showing a little bit of
Speaker 4: Dan this episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, interesting point there. Yeah, Yeah, but I think
Speaker 5: we did it. It was it was kind of insular,
Speaker 5: but that's what I thought was so fun about it.
Speaker 5: You know, you really only get some surprising moments from
Speaker 5: from Whitey and Victoria. You know, they're the only two
Speaker 5: that come in. Victoria put us all in our place.
Speaker 4: If you think you're going back down to Hicksville, North Carolina,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, Yo, we live here.
Speaker 5: Be cool, we lived there, Lady.
Speaker 3: Did you go out while we were filming, Liz, Like
Speaker 3: on the first one, were you trying to be a
Speaker 3: good kid get to bed?
Speaker 6: I think I was, Yeah, I think I was. I
Speaker 6: mean I went out. I loved Wilmington like I had
Speaker 6: never been there before, and it was a revelation to me,
Speaker 6: Like I loved it so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you shot anything else there?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think Really, I think like I'm trying to
Speaker 6: like sleepy hollow Shop. Oh yeah, I'm trying to think
Speaker 6: of anything else. I don't know. I love it there
Speaker 6: so much. It's super special.
Speaker 3: Well, and you've worked on so much stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: all of this stuff on your IMDb page is bananas.
Speaker 3: You worked on The Boys, American Horror Story, Tell Me
Speaker 3: a Story, Jessica Jones, The Gifted, Convision, Secrets and Lies. Oh,
Speaker 3: I remember Secrets and Lies.
Speaker 4: You did three episodes of the following two Sleepy Hollow.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you did Revolution with my husband's
Speaker 3: best friend, Billy Burke. Like you have worked on Vampire Diaries.
Speaker 3: You've worked on everything, yep. And so for our show,
Speaker 3: we did a little bit of everything. We had some
Speaker 3: horror stuff, we had lovey dovey shit, we had action
Speaker 3: stuff with the sports. Like, what is your favorite thing
Speaker 3: now as a veteran in this industry?
Speaker 4: Who? How many episodes of television have you done now?
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot hundreds, that's not what's your
Speaker 3: favorite thing to do now?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is genre or is it?
Speaker 6: I mean? Play like every I mean my favorite thing
Speaker 6: now is working with actors one hundred percent. It's like
Speaker 6: the collaboration and the discovery and that now that I
Speaker 6: feel like I have a little confidence, like seeing something
Speaker 6: in a rehearsal and having a plan to do this,
Speaker 6: but seeing something and have seen something somebody give you
Speaker 6: an idea and going, oh god, this is what the
Speaker 6: scene is about. And like that kinetic energy with working
Speaker 6: with actors and great actors like that is I mean, look,
Speaker 6: I love shooting big stunts like that's a hard you know,
Speaker 6: like big action like The Boys was super fun. But
Speaker 6: it's also just like even in that it's about like
Speaker 6: finding mistakes with a person, right, like why do I
Speaker 6: care that you're almost getting killed?
Speaker 4: Like why?
Speaker 6: And that back and forth and that spontan and like
Speaker 6: prepping well enough that you can be spontaneous in the moment.
Speaker 6: That's like my favorite favorite.
Speaker 5: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: Do we have any listener questions this episode?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 5: And actually I think it's such a cool question for
Speaker 5: Liz because it's technically about location scouting, Ariana wants to
Speaker 5: know how come even though Tree Hill is set on
Speaker 5: a beach, we rarely have scenes at the beach or
Speaker 5: near the beach.
Speaker 4: Well, did you film at the beach?
Speaker 6: List not on this episode? On other episodes, I think so.
Speaker 4: Do you want to tell them why we don't go there?
Speaker 5: It's a nightmare.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean, look, it's like, first of all,
Speaker 6: you're trying to build a day somewhere, right, so like
Speaker 6: you have to build a day at the beach to
Speaker 6: get's like to rationalize getting the company out there and
Speaker 6: moving all the stuff out there. You have to have
Speaker 6: a whole day of stuff to shoot there, so it
Speaker 6: would have to be a beach centered episode. And then
Speaker 6: I mean moving things in sand, like is there anything worse?
Speaker 6: Like everything has to be put on those weird, big
Speaker 6: fat rubber wheels and pushed, and you're asking a crew
Speaker 6: and a cast to walk in sand. And then it's windy,
Speaker 6: or it's sunny, or the fog rolls.
Speaker 5: It's just very it's wet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to get like that idyllic looking thing is like
Speaker 6: finding a peole in a haystack.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I used to think a lot about the
Speaker 5: camera guys, a because those, you know, Dolly's cameras are
Speaker 5: all so heavy and b anytime you have to change
Speaker 5: the film or change a lens, You're asking people to
Speaker 5: do that with the most sensitive materials in our business.
Speaker 5: In Sandy Wind.
Speaker 4: It's terrible.
Speaker 3: I wasnay, were we still shooting on film in season five? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we were one of the last shows we held out.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would give anything to go back to film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just looked nice on film.
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to see four K. It's too much. Like
Speaker 5: I don't need to know how many hairs you have
Speaker 5: in your eyebrows. I don't need to know the size
Speaker 5: of your pores. It's too it's too close. It's so
Speaker 5: hyper real that it takes me out of things as
Speaker 5: a viewer because it's like I'm at a science museum.
Speaker 5: I don't like it.
Speaker 4: Let's just go back.
Speaker 6: It's so sharp, and I feel like on the film,
Speaker 6: it's like as directors and then cameramen like we you know,
Speaker 6: people would be like, is it gonna look like that?
Speaker 6: And you'd be like, no, we're going to do this
Speaker 6: thing because the monitors were so bad. Now there's like
Speaker 6: a mystery to it still, and like directors of photography
Speaker 6: had an air of mystery of how they did now,
Speaker 6: like it's going to look like that. Yes, it's going
Speaker 6: to look exactly like that. You know if you don't
Speaker 6: If you don't like it now, you're not gonna like
Speaker 6: it later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not gonna like it on a big screen TV.
Speaker 3: No, when they come in so super tight. Now, that's
Speaker 3: just mean, right, just mean, yeah, not here for it.
Speaker 3: I wasn't there for it when we were playing nineteen
Speaker 3: year olds. Nineteen years old kids, they're idiots.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Liz, when you come back in.
Speaker 3: Future episodes, yeah we do. I think we did more
Speaker 3: flashback stuff, like I feel like I remember laying on
Speaker 3: a car with Lucas, I remembers hanging out by the
Speaker 3: sound somewhere.
Speaker 5: There's definitely more flashbacks. This was the first one, but
Speaker 5: there's definitely more. Also because this played really well, Like
Speaker 5: people loved this episode. They loved seeing where we'd been
Speaker 5: thanks to Lizy.
Speaker 6: Look, it was also really smart writing to hold off
Speaker 6: five episodes, you know what I mean, because people were
Speaker 6: like so dying to know by now, Like that was
Speaker 6: a really smart construct.
Speaker 4: Of all the storylines that you had to direct.
Speaker 3: Which one was your least favorite?
Speaker 4: Which one you're like, god, damn.
Speaker 6: That one on this episode.
Speaker 4: Or any any episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you could tell us your favorite too,
Speaker 3: But I'm snarky, so I'll go.
Speaker 6: I loved I loved this episode one. I just thought
Speaker 6: like it was a fun opportunity and it was the
Speaker 6: first and then I think next season I shot an
Speaker 6: episode called get Cape Wear Cape Fly, which has a
Speaker 6: big funeral in it. I won't even say more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but that was that was a good episode, Sophie. I
Speaker 6: remember you at the end of that episode is like, that.
Speaker 5: Was one of my favorite episodes I ever did. And Liz,
Speaker 5: you you just like you set such a tone for me,
Speaker 5: and it's so cool to have you in our orbit
Speaker 5: again now and even to hear like you talking about
Speaker 5: you know, when you left Hill and you called Liz
Speaker 5: because who else had a baby? Like I remember in
Speaker 5: season six being like I want to be her friend.
Speaker 5: You're feeling like this kid who Like I was like,
Speaker 5: I can't ask her for her phone number. It would
Speaker 5: be so weird, Like I wouldn't even know what to
Speaker 5: say to her. And I'm really glad I get to
Speaker 5: tell you that now. I'd be like, cool, let's be friends.
Speaker 5: Because I was so enamored by you and intimidated by
Speaker 5: you and impressed by you, and I was just like, hey, Liz,
Speaker 5: how are you doing? I was your morning? Okay, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go with you. I'm gonna go suiment chair no by.
Speaker 6: I felt the same way. I loved you, guys, Like
Speaker 6: I really I thought you were so good and so cool,
Speaker 6: and I felt like we spoke the same language. And yeah,
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 4: Wow, you were the cool senior. So thanks for bringing
Speaker 4: us underclassmen.
Speaker 3: Along hell because it was you know, I think everyone
Speaker 3: knows we needed places where we could feel safe, and
Speaker 3: you were a place where we could feel safe. And
Speaker 3: it has been really exciting to see all of the
Speaker 3: shows that you've worked on and all of your credits,
Speaker 3: and like, see you in Variety and see you in
Speaker 3: all like the trades and stuff, and.
Speaker 4: Be like, we know her. She's a boss lady. Now
Speaker 4: she's running this town. It's fun for us. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: we had no idea we were your first TV.
Speaker 5: Show, not a clue.
Speaker 6: I probably didn't tell you. I mean, like, it was
Speaker 6: so embarrassing, but.
Speaker 3: I love it all right, So should we spend a wheel?
Speaker 3: Are we a wheel?
Speaker 4: Time?
Speaker 5: Let's do it?
Speaker 4: Liz, have you listened to the show?
Speaker 5: Do you know what?
Speaker 6: Are?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: I listened to it always.
Speaker 4: Girl, you get to spin the wheel.
Speaker 3: So we have to pick someone from the cast and
Speaker 3: someone from real life who fits this superlative most likely too.
Speaker 4: Why do we have Sophia.
Speaker 5: Most likely to survive on their own lost in the woods?
Speaker 3: Okay, character most likely to survive. I mean, Lucas can't
Speaker 3: survive one day without a girl, so it's not him.
Speaker 4: Who do we think can survive?
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 5: I think Whitey. I think he's got like those cool
Speaker 5: older generation skills like that guy would probably be in
Speaker 5: the woods whittling tools. He'd know how to build a
Speaker 5: fire with no match, you know, like, couldn't you picture it?
Speaker 4: Is that why he retired so he could just go
Speaker 4: off to the wood whittle and whittle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wouldn't panic, which is a good trait. No.
Speaker 3: Right, He'd probably like like pick one tree and name
Speaker 3: it Camilla and talk to it all the time.
Speaker 5: That would be his wilson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Camilla. I made another spoon winling.
Speaker 5: I love it all right, Liz, who do you think
Speaker 5: in real life? What actor on our.
Speaker 4: Show do you think would survive in the woods?
Speaker 5: If any?
Speaker 6: No, I don't think you are at all. I mean
Speaker 6: I think it's funny. I look at both of you.
Speaker 6: I feel like Hillary can garden and make things and
Speaker 6: farm and do all that and has like a million
Speaker 6: things and then Sophia, I think you have such incredible
Speaker 6: conviction that you would just like hone in on what
Speaker 6: to do and do it.
Speaker 4: Dude, she's out there fly fishing.
Speaker 3: She's fly fishing and living in yurts and stuff on
Speaker 3: the top of a mountain.
Speaker 6: And she said that like what a prepper is is
Speaker 6: so you know, you just figure it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's got a knapsack with all the right tools,
Speaker 3: like a spork and one of those water filtrations straws.
Speaker 3: Did you give away those things like in your in
Speaker 3: your wedding gift basket, there's some survival tools in there.
Speaker 4: You win this round.
Speaker 5: I think it would be us. I would not be
Speaker 5: able to do it alone, but I think if you
Speaker 5: and I got stuck out there together, it would be fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, the girls got this.
Speaker 3: The girls have everything under control.
Speaker 4: Obby, Yeah, yeah, yeah. The CW groomed us. Well, God,
Speaker 4: bless are they done?
Speaker 3: Now? What's going on with Is the CW like MTV,
Speaker 3: Like we conquered those chapters in American television and now
Speaker 3: they're gone?
Speaker 5: Are they?
Speaker 4: I don't know?
Speaker 6: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I think maybe this week they were both in the
Speaker 3: news for just canceling everything. So, guys, we were there
Speaker 3: during the peaks.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad we did it together.
Speaker 5: Holy hell, what do.
Speaker 4: We got next week?
Speaker 6: Baby?
Speaker 5: Ooh, next week We've got season five, episode six. Don't
Speaker 5: dream it's over.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Liz, Thank you so so much for taking care of
Speaker 3: us then, and for coming to join us now, and
Speaker 3: for watching this episode for the first time in like
Speaker 3: fifteen years.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. I love this show and
Speaker 6: I love hearing you guys talk about your experience with
Speaker 6: such intelligence and empathy, and I think you guys are amazing.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 4: All right, we have to do another show. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: all right, you guys. We will see you next week.
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