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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. All about that

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Speaker 1: high school drama, girl drama, girl, all about them.

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Speaker 2: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride, and

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Speaker 2: our comic girl shared for the right teams drama, queens,

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Speaker 2: up girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens, Drama, quise drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 3: You guys, we have a very special guest this episode.

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Speaker 3: We never get to do this. We have the woman

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Speaker 3: who created this episode, Liz Friedlander, is with us. And

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had no idea that this episode was

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Speaker 4: Episode of television.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe that I.

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Speaker 6: Had done a movie, and I had done a ton

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Speaker 6: of music videos and commercials, but I mean television, as

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Speaker 6: you know, it's its own thing, and I really had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they threw everything at you, Sophia. This was

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Speaker 6: Yeah. They were panic because it was not like on

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You got a big one?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 5: What it happened? Okay, hold on, let me give the folks.

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Speaker 5: The synopsis. Okay, friends who are listening at home, you

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Speaker 5: are with us for season five, episode five. I forgot

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Speaker 5: to remember to forget. It aired initially January twenty ninth,

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, and as Hillary mentioned, we have

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Speaker 5: Liz Friedlander with us, who directed this out of this episode,

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Speaker 5: and we actually are getting to do something with Liz

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Speaker 5: that we've not been able to do before. First of all,

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Speaker 5: Liz actually is joining us, not just for the episode,

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Speaker 5: y'all could have heard us giggling like a bunch of

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Speaker 5: I really have to echo, you know, Hillary's point that

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Speaker 5: this is such a huge undertaking this episode. The level

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Speaker 5: the traveling, I mean, it's just unbelievable. And since it

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Speaker 5: I'm like, did they give you any help? Did they

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think you know, when you're hired, you

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Speaker 6: And then I got the script and I remember the

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Speaker 5: Like it's really big.

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Speaker 6: It's all locations not on our stages, like are you

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Speaker 3: Well for you to do something that is totally your

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Speaker 3: the synopsis? Flashing back three years, Nathan and Lucas win

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Speaker 3: That felt like a whole movie all by itself. Missing Peyton,

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Speaker 3: You're really dealing with like three very separate chunks here

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now what were we doing, Sophia? You were sick.

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Speaker 5: I was so sick shooting this episode. I mean you

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Speaker 5: was excellent. Liz. I'm so curious because you did something

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Speaker 5: And the steaks went up like you. I caught myself

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Speaker 6: I mean I did. I did like over a hundred

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Speaker 3: Wow, you need a best of box set, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, just like all your music videos.

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Speaker 4: Kids don't know what those are anymore.

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Speaker 5: You're like, it's literally a miniature movie about your favorite song.

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Speaker 5: way I want it, then we're over me or I'll

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00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 5: leave you.

442
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 4: Like it was so intense.

443
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 5: I was so glad that Brooke brought the humor in

444
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 5: it later and was like, are you stupid?

445
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: Like you stormed La and you went all crazy.

446
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 5: On her, you lunatic. I was like, Okay, great, at

447
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 5: least the girls are being rational here, because this feels

448
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 5: like a lot of energy.

449
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Liz As like a young woman, how do

450
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: you look.

451
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: At a script like that and say, oh, I have

452
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: to keep this person endearing.

453
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: I have to make this make sense.

454
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean, look, I think in that I just

455
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 6: identified with Peyton Moore. You know what I mean. I think,

456
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 6: but it's funny. I don't know. It was extra mean

457
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 6: to me this time, like I think being younger it

458
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 6: was mean, but less mean. And now with perspective, I

459
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 6: was like, that is like you come in and you

460
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 6: love bomb her and then you give her an ultimatum

461
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 6: and then you're pissed when the ultimatum doesn't go your way,

462
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 6: and then you pout and then you try and get

463
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 6: with her friends. Like it was just like it was

464
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 6: just some really bad behavior.

465
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: Well, everyone knows Peyton's trigger is people always leave, So

466
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: then he leaves hard and.

467
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 5: She just leaves the CD on the thing to be like,

468
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 5: to be clear, I'm leaving. That was mean and I.

469
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: Don't want to think of you. Songs to make me

470
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 4: think of you, I don't want them. Oh I was

471
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 4: so brutal. Woof.

472
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 9: Also, like, what did you say when we watched it, Hillary,

473
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 9: when Lucas kisses Brook and you were talking about how

474
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 9: the lines for me are about high school and it

475
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 9: was so spot on.

476
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, brook Davis.

477
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: I was just talking about like the supremacy of brook

478
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: Davis because the rejection was delicious because you know, younger

479
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: brook Davis would have been.

480
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 4: Like, this is everything I've wanted, you.

481
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: Know, like Lucas picked me and like he's kissing me

482
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: and whatever. Where we are going to be a power

483
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 3: couple when we grow up. We're the match.

484
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 4: And she's just.

485
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 3: Like, hey, here's your ring Take two Advillain in the morning.

486
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 4: It's been real.

487
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 5: This is.

488
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.

489
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 6: She says, you're not going to see me for a while,

490
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 6: like you were or not.

491
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Like I super love you and you're my friend,

492
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 5: but this is an unacceptable way to treat a person.

493
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think really interesting that she gives Lucas

494
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 5: the medicine she needs. You know, I haven't found my person,

495
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: so I'm going to go build my work and maybe

496
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: you should do the same. But if you do it,

497
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: at least you know who your person is and she'll

498
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 5: have some space to come back to you. And it's interesting,

499
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 5: like the sort of levels of how you can use

500
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 5: work as armor. And I liked that there was a

501
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 5: distinction between the two even though she she was sort

502
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 5: of talking herself in to making this big career choice

503
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: by talking Lucas into focusing on his It's just kind

504
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 5: of neat well.

505
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: And I like the synchronicity of like everything happening on

506
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: the same day, because I do fin like for me,

507
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: that's how life works. It's like, all of a sudden,

508
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: there's this random string of coincidences and everything's happening all

509
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: at once, and you're in the flow, and you know

510
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: you're getting all those like phone calls and lots of

511
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: big dramatic things happening in your life, and then you

512
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: go through a lull, and Peyton's in a lull for sure,

513
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 3: but Brooke isn't, and Lucas isn't and Nathan isn't, and

514
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: it's really exciting for everyone back home and that feeling

515
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: of apartness like her, Like Liz, you really did a

516
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: good job of not letting Peyton bemoan her life at all,

517
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: like she thinks she's doing it.

518
00:25:53,320 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: But it looks really sad that mail cart. Ah, we

519
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 4: pushed that all day.

520
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 6: I think we did. Yeah, we had one hallway to

521
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 6: call Los Angeles, I think.

522
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hallway, one little office. We had five scenes.

523
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 5: We couldn't have found a more modern home to shoot

524
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 5: New York in for Brooken Victoria, that southern gothic place

525
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 5: that's supposed to be a New York apartment and it's

526
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 5: clearly like a gorgeous, you know, downtown historic mansion was

527
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 5: so wild, Liz, I can't even imagine for you, you

528
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 5: poor thing. Like I bet somebody was just like, well,

529
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 5: this could be you know, some fancy pre war building

530
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: on Park Avenue.

531
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: And yeah, they're like, it's like a townhouse. Right. I

532
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 6: remember pushing back and pushing back and then getting like

533
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 6: swacked down for that, you know, because I drifted movies, right,

534
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 6: So movies are directors medium. TV is a writers and

535
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 6: producers medium, really, and so I came in like I

536
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 6: think we need to look for and they were like, yeah.

537
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's all about company moves. We're not gonna move. Yeah,

538
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: sorry about that.

539
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 3: But seriously, I love how square Brooke Davis is because

540
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: they've got her living with her mom in this like

541
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: goofy house that's.

542
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 4: Supposed to be your townhouse, apartment whatever.

543
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: But also she's like we're in midtown, whoo, Like no

544
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: nineteen year old hangs out in Midtown.

545
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 7: No, no, no, she'd be downtown.

546
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 5: We would have been at butter in this era, we

547
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: would have been like out at the New York clubs

548
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 5: and they had us at like an oyster place on

549
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 5: the river. It's so funny, like remember Bungalow eight and like,

550
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: oh man, they were all the places. It was so

551
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: fun We would have been in meatpacking.

552
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: Whoever was making these decisions. Yeah, the meatpacking district had

553
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: just gotten like super sexy. You know, it's still a

554
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: little dangerous back then.

555
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's really so so. But that's a

556
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 5: really interesting way that you put it, Liz, is that

557
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: it really is, you know, sort of the writer and

558
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 5: producer medium because they are there week to week and

559
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 5: the directors are coming and going, and I think that

560
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 5: makes it even cooler to see, you know, the mark

561
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 5: that you were able to make on our show. You

562
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 5: really put your stamp on it, and it's just fun.

563
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: On the flip side of all of the Lucas manipulation,

564
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: we've got this like creepy foreshadowing that's happening with Nathan

565
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: oh Man where it's just we know where Nathan is

566
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: present day, but we're seeing the seeds get planted why

567
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: he tells Nathan to be careful. If you're not careful,

568
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 3: your temper will be all that you have left.

569
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 4: Dunt du dah.

570
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: And for him to say, you can't just play better,

571
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 5: You've got to live better. And he really gives him

572
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: that beautiful speech about you know who you want to

573
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 5: be and that if he wants to live this thing down,

574
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 5: it's going to be about how he lives as a man.

575
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 5: And it's so beautiful. I think, because we've talked about

576
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 5: this before, how you can really make allowances for people's

577
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 5: failures and their mistakes when you know them, because you

578
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: know the scope of their life, you know that the

579
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: people you love are so much more than their mistakes.

580
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 5: And we make a lot of allowances the characters in

581
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: this show for each other, for growth and failure and

582
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 5: all the things. And I think it's a really beautiful

583
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: thing to encourage. And then what I thought was so

584
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: accurate and honestly like kind of stung to watch was

585
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: the way that boy was screaming at Nathan and the

586
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: way he was talking to him, because that's the way

587
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: people heckle you when you're any version of famous. People

588
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: just they throw darts in your face, they say terrible

589
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 5: things to people, Like I just watched some friends you

590
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: know of mine get heckled a couple of weeks ago

591
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: because they stood up for their kid, and like, I

592
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: don't know, it's just gross, and I I guess maybe

593
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 5: now that we're all older, that sort of stuff feels

594
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 5: more personal, the way that strangers like to isolate and

595
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 5: then inflate and not let go of anything you might

596
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 5: have done, or anything you might be embarrassed about that's

597
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 5: happened to you, or any of it. You know, people

598
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 5: love to talk about people they don't know, and I

599
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: don't know, it just hit hard watching Nathan go through that,

600
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 5: because all he wants is to move on and he's

601
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: trying so hard and other people don't want to let him,

602
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 5: and it humanized him in a way that I just

603
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: don't think I could see when I was younger, and

604
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: maybe I hadn't, you know, lived through so much and

605
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: watched other people go through so much.

606
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 3: You hadn't gotten all the poop emojis yet, you know.

607
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 5: But I I just thought that that was really poignant

608
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 5: and it felt really true. And then to see an

609
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: adult try to say, you know, you're gonna have to

610
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: make choices here. You're going to have to choose to

611
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: live differently if you don't want, you know, to be

612
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 5: left with it it. Oh, the pang because we know

613
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: where Nathan ends up was special and.

614
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 6: That Heckler goes after his kid, right, like yeah, that

615
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 6: like you can see Nathan trying and trying and then

616
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 6: the kid thing comes up and he just snaps like

617
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 6: he's got that in him, that like little bit of

618
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 6: Dan Scott in him. That is like he's trying to

619
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 6: push it down and trying to push it down. But

620
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: when someone goes after your kid, it's just animal instinct.

621
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm a nightmare.

622
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: That's why I'm pta now in there, just getting to

623
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: know all those bullies. Liz, speaking of kid stuff, you know,

624
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: you're trying to depict a nineteen year old couple with

625
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: a baby in this and we didn't have our kids yet,

626
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: Like what were you trying to model that after? Because

627
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: it did look very like all American and sweet, which

628
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: in hindsight, maybe we shouldn't have done to America. I know, right,

629
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: we should have made a look harder.

630
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, the worst part is that Haley's not getting sleep,

631
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 6: Like that's the worst yeah. I mean, look, I didn't

632
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 6: have a kid then. Anyway, It's funny what I realized

633
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 6: now is I remember the night we were doing that.

634
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: You know, it's a toddler, right, so he's not being

635
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 6: quiet when he's supposed to be quiet, and he's like

636
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: singing in some takes and he's talking it like and

637
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 6: it didn't matter. And I remember trying to like wrestle

638
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: it to control. And then I remember in editing thinking

639
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 6: Joy did such a nice job and it actually brought

640
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 6: something to it because she's constantly like having to pick

641
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: up the toy that he threw or like ad lib

642
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 6: in something to kind of redirect. And I remember that

643
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 6: it was like one of those moments where I was like, oh,

644
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 6: this was an opportunity, Like I so wanted to wrestle

645
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 6: it into control, and it was actually an opportunity and

646
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: was nice to give her something more to do it,

647
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 6: to like literally grapple with. But yeah, I mean, but

648
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 6: also like their house was not nearly messy enough, No,

649
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 6: not by a mile.

650
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: Her hair looked nice, you know what I mean, Like she.

651
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 5: Had makeup on, she showered.

652
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, girl, we're on day three of this hair

653
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: right now. And that's what you do in parenthood. You

654
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: just let the grease.

655
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: Settle in where it's gonna settle.

656
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: But I like that we got to see Hayley and

657
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: Nathan at like peek happy, you know, because my favorite

658
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: vote of this episode was that hardcore makeout at the end.

659
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 5: By the Trophies. Girl.

660
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 4: There is nice.

661
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: I love more than a post fight makeout. I love it.

662
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: I don't even want to sleep with you.

663
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: I just want to make out like we're seventeen fifteen

664
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: minutes before your mom gets home, you know.

665
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 6: I remember shooting that. Joy's super sexy in that. But

666
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 6: I remember shooting that. I remember doing a take and

667
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 6: then and it was like a cute kiss. And I

668
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 6: remember talking to them and saying like, look, I think

669
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 6: you guys haven't kissed in a long time, like a

670
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 6: long time. Like you're not in a good place. I

671
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 6: don't even know that you're sleeping in the same room,

672
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 6: like you haven't touched. So when it's like maybe it's

673
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 6: tentative at first, and then like what does that feel

674
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 6: like if all of a sudden those floodgates of like

675
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 6: your contact and they both were like got it.

676
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 5: Like we what to do?

677
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: We got it?

678
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: And then that was the next take and they were

679
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 6: so good, they were so hot.

680
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: The line what was the line, Sophia, Oh, he says,

681
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: He says, We're not the couple we used to be,

682
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 3: but we're going to get there.

683
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sexy.

684
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: And also to have seen them in these happy moments

685
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 5: reminded you of where they were. You know, it built

686
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 5: the bridge between ultimate Nathan Haley end of high school

687
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 5: and then this fractured couple that you've seen in season five,

688
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 5: and to see them on that bridge felt so nice.

689
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: And then to come into this end moment where she's

690
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 5: just doing this nice thing for him and he acknowledges it.

691
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 5: He's acknowledging her in ways that he hasn't and he

692
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: reminds her of that thing he said in the last episode,

693
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 5: and suddenly it's it's like we're gonna get there, We're

694
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: gonna make it. The whole thing was so charged and

695
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, okay, okay, characters, I'm in for this.

696
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 4: That felt adult.

697
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you you really do feel the sort of

698
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: adult relationship in in this season, Like everybody's just like

699
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 5: a little more settled and people are calling it like

700
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 5: it is. And I liked it.

701
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: Brooke Davis just call it out like it is. It's like,

702
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: oh my god.

703
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: Comedy of Brook Davis's episode was so fun. Again, totally

704
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: different movies than the Basketball that was all like, you know.

705
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: Fun sexy boys being fast.

706
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: Brook Davis is had to doing her own little Sandra

707
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: Bullock rom com with like Lucas down on one knee and.

708
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: Victoria comes in at that time.

709
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 5: It was incredible, incredible. I love those storylines so much.

710
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 5: And even the fact that Brooke just leaves her mom

711
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: to stew all night. I've been calling you all night.

712
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 5: I will drop in Norman papers.

713
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 6: You know.

714
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 5: It's honestly great parenting A plus Victoria. But like I

715
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 5: loved when I got comedy like this, and I loved

716
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 5: at the end when Lucas comes looking for you, just

717
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 5: getting to be like, oh, I see that shit all

718
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 5: over your face. Okay, interesting, you've said no and she

719
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: said no and you're both liars, got it?

720
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: And I liked it. Brook just doesn't give a no

721
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: to say the thing out loud. You're still in love

722
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: with her, aren't you. That was so ballsy.

723
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the way you played it is like, it's

724
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 6: delicious when you like you loved it, like Brook loved

725
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 6: saying it. You know, she was like, oh I have

726
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: your number. Yeah I did it like a delicious delivery.

727
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brooke Davis loves to know a secret.

728
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Well, because there was a mislead there because we've just

729
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: seen him like kiss you in the flashback.

730
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: There's that moment of like did we follow the wrong paths?

731
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: You lean down and you're wearing like a button up

732
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: shirt that's a little like cleavagey, and it's like, is

733
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: Brook Davis gonna come on to Lucas and instead she just.

734
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 4: Calls his And it was fantastic.

735
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: You lured it in just to cast it back out.

736
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: Like hey, mister, I got your number. Yeah, yeah, it

737
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 5: was so fun.

738
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: A loved Easter egg that we discovered in the episode

739
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: was that the picture that Lucas has in his phone

740
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: of Peyton.

741
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: Is one of the psycho dek pictures Like hello.

742
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 10: Producers, guys, people who do that behind the scenes work,

743
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 10: Like I exclaimed, it couldn't have been a date photo,

744
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 10: Like it couldn't have been some cute picture of the

745
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 10: two of you.

746
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: They just went, oh, here's a picture of Hillary and

747
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 5: it's like, well, yeah, guys, but that's a picture that

748
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: her you know, fake brother psycho stalker took, maybe not

749
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 5: the one that should be in her actual boyfriend's phone.

750
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 5: That was a fail.

751
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: Can you imagine Lucas just like, I mean, it's a

752
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: good picture.

753
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 5: He's like, and I just really like it.

754
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: What a creep?

755
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: Uh?

756
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: Liz, how much say did you have over that stuff?

757
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: That was all insert work that like probably someone else

758
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: shot right.

759
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 6: That I don't remember. I mean some of it like

760
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 6: when you come on direct, I mean some of it

761
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 6: you do, and some of it you don't. Like I

762
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: remember in that first like the bookend scenes with Lindsey,

763
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 6: I remember saying, it's so weird to me that she's

764
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 6: in workwere like, you're hanging out at home, and I

765
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 6: remember saying, like, are you. I was so surprised that

766
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 6: she didn't come in wearing like sweats and a T

767
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 6: shirt or you know, something like that. And I got

768
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 6: in trouble because it was like, this is what she's wearing,

769
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 6: this is mu's been pick and I was like, okay, okay, okay,

770
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: So it depend show. It depends show to show. And

771
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 6: I don't know that you're right about the instruct I

772
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 6: don't know that I actually shot that phone, you know

773
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 6: what I mean, I think that might have been held.

774
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 6: But yeah, sometimes sometimes you pick and sometimes you don't.

775
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 5: And sometimes you see it and go, hmm, okay.

776
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: Interesting.

777
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: Choosing your battles is it's hard to begin with, right,

778
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: But choosing your battles when you are a female in

779
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: our industry, particularly in the early two thousands, was I mean,

780
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: that was an art form trying to figure out, like,

781
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: am I gonna piss them off if I push this?

782
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: I don't know? Is it worth it? I don't know.

783
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: Were there any.

784
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: Battles that you wish you would push further for, or

785
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: any that you won that you want to brag about.

786
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 6: I mean, on this episode, the basketball was a win

787
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 6: because I got like, we really shot egregiously long, which

788
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 6: I'm not proud of, no Crucian shoot, but I remember

789
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 6: thinking that, like, and I think my pitch was like,

790
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 6: this is a college game has to feel bigger than

791
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 6: a high school game, Like if we're saying this is

792
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 6: a vision too, like televised like defining moment basketball like

793
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 6: it needs to be. And so I remember like spending

794
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: a lot of points that day, like in terms of

795
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 6: equipment and hours and crowd and things like that, and

796
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 6: then you know stuff I mean, and then like it's

797
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 6: always interesting, like you know as a director, like I

798
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 6: remember shooting transitions in and out of the flashbacks and

799
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 6: then you see and it just goes to white and

800
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 6: you're like, Okay, that's not what I would have done,

801
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 6: but you know for my show. So but yeah, it's

802
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 6: funny because, like I said, I had done a movie,

803
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 6: and on a movie, as a director, you really like

804
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 6: you're the number one. And so when I was like,

805
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 6: that's weird that she's wearing that, I think I just

806
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 6: was ignorant. I don't think I knew that. You weren't

807
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: supposed to be like alert, this is totally weird.

808
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: Well, no, you are supposed to say alert. You are

809
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: in a normal world. You say alert, and someone says, wow,

810
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: that's collaborative, thank you for sharing, let's work on it.

811
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, or they say, look, I know that. But actually

812
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 6: in the next episode she's leaving from here, so I

813
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: know it's weird here, but we got it, like exactly,

814
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 6: it's not a problem. But I really I remember getting

815
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 6: my hand slapped for questioning, Like I really remember getting

816
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 6: an older.

817
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 4: That's so weird.

818
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: Were you like I've directed a movie, you big dumbasses.

819
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that probably didn't feel worth.

820
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 6: It, Like it's a skirt, like we don't need to

821
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 6: get so he did.

822
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 5: But yeah, well it wouldn't it have been lovely if

823
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 5: someone said, this is only her fifth episode and we're

824
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: really trying to just establish a look for her and

825
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: we want her in the look all the time, and

826
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 5: you could have been like, Okay, I disagree, But I

827
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: think that where I take issue is when is with

828
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 5: the handslapping or the or the sort of ways that

829
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 5: you know, we all undoubtedly on the show experienced like

830
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: being demeaned for having ideas. It's kind of like, don't

831
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: you want people who care enough about this thing we're

832
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 5: all making together to point out ways we think it

833
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 5: could be better. You can disagree, you can say I'm wrong,

834
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 5: but you don't have to treat me like I'm stupid.

835
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's also like you have all

836
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 6: the power anyway if you're the show runner, like why

837
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 6: are we getting so you know, crazy about it? But

838
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: I also think it's just you know, and like me

839
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 6: talking about your crew is the perfect example of this.

840
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 6: It's like you want people like it's like, forget that

841
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 6: you want like a great work culture that we do.

842
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 6: I don't mean to forget it, but like even if

843
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: you're being manipulative and just trying to get more, like

844
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 6: if people are invested and have ideas and want to

845
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 6: do better, like they just work better and harder and

846
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 6: they will bring shit and like you'll still look good

847
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 6: in the end, you know, it's all. So that's what's

848
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 6: just always weird to me about people who want people

849
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 6: to very much stay in their lane because some of

850
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 6: like the best directors I've ever met will take ideas

851
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 6: from it, like best idea wins, and you're still going

852
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 6: to get credit for it, you know, as a director,

853
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 6: as a showrunner, as whatever. But it's just even in

854
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 6: terms of making something good, like when people contribute, it's

855
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: the work is just better. Period.

856
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my experience MTV. It was like whether

857
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: you were the vice president of the company or you

858
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: were an intern, everybody went into the morning meeting and

859
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: was allowed to pitch ideas and the best idea always won.

860
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: And so I don't know if that was that way

861
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: in the music video world. I have to imagine we

862
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: were all kind of connected in that way because there

863
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: were a lot of like young creatives who were making

864
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: like big moves in the music video world, and so

865
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 3: to come to this other space One Tree Hill felt

866
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 3: so corporate to me. It was definitely like the most

867
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: corporate job I ever had, because it was protocol and

868
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: stay in your lane and all those kinds of like

869
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: buzzwords that you've used.

870
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was.

871
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: It was so corporate. And I lived with half the

872
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: crew at the time, like I lived at the whole

873
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: ad Department, and they loved you because they got to

874
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: do different stuff, like all the Central Park stuff with

875
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: the horses lined up. I remember them coming home and

876
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: talking about that because I wasn't a part of that,

877
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: and they came home and they we.

878
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: Like, it really looked cool. It looked like Central Park

879
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: and it was like Greenfield Lake. You know, Yeah, it

880
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: feels good to stretch your muscles.

881
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like that shooting all that stuff with

882
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: you even as an actor, like the New York flashbacks

883
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 5: and you know, having this sort of night on the

884
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: town where these two friends who haven't seen each other,

885
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 5: you know, in a couple of years or having this

886
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 5: moment and talking and I don't know, it felt really

887
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: cool and it felt different and I remember even seeing

888
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 5: what you'd created and being like, oh my god, it

889
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 5: really does look like, you know, the south end of

890
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 5: Central Park, Like it really it all feels kind of

891
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 5: like something familiar, and it's exciting to change it up

892
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 5: when you've been doing the same thing all day every day.

893
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: So, Liz, would you do right after this show?

894
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, great, you've got your first episode of TV

895
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: under your belt. You've worked with Daphne's Unique and Barry

896
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: Corbin at this point, so now you're like.

897
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 6: I should quit.

898
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: By the way, I love them both, and seeing Barry

899
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: because we haven't seen him this season, you know, to

900
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: have them come on just to quit.

901
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 4: We were like, what, what the hell's happening?

902
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: But so then what do you do? Like what what

903
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: do you take from this experience? And then start applying

904
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: to other jobs?

905
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 6: You know? I mean I think that, I mean, being

906
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 6: an episodic director is a weird job because you're kind

907
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 6: of always jumping into like a different not just a

908
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 6: different show after, but like a different culture. Like people

909
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 6: do things, different run sets, different run crap, different, you know.

910
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny. I mean I will tell you,

911
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 6: like I did a lot of c W stuff that's

912
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 6: where girls worked, by the way to the only place

913
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 6: at the time. Yeah, you know, I did One Tree

914
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 6: Hill and then I think I did some nine O

915
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 6: two one ohs and some Gossip Girl.

916
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 4: But we were your favorites though, right yeah, way.

917
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: Not even.

918
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 6: I mean I loved your cast. I loved your cast,

919
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 6: but uh, you know, I mean that was like where

920
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 6: I could get hired at the time. And it's interesting

921
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 6: because like years and years later, like after I had

922
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 6: been doing pilots and you know, stuff for streaming and

923
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 6: network stuff. I remember trying to make a deal on

924
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 6: a pilot and trying to get my rate up and

925
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 6: the and the studio was like, we're not going to

926
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 6: pay you that. And my lawyer said, let me please

927
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 6: play the v card and I was like great, what

928
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 6: is it? And he was like the vagina card and

929
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 6: I was like okay, and he said and he went

930
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 6: to them and he said, you're penalizing her because she

931
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 6: was a woman and she started at c W, which

932
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 6: paid less than network, and so she's now less, Like

933
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: even though she's climbed, she's less. So if you want

934
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 6: to say that, you're giving her less now compared to

935
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: men who have been doing it it's on because they

936
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: were to jump right into network. Yeah that's what you're saying.

937
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 6: You're penalizing her. And they were like, let us get

938
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 6: back to you. And I ended up getting a bump.

939
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 6: But like that, by the way, it was only because

940
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 6: I had somebody who knew all that, Like in yep,

941
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 6: I can't. But so I did a lot of CW

942
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 6: stuff for a long time.

943
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: And when you were like a brand new baby director,

944
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: what did you want to do? You know, because I

945
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: don't think any of us, well maybe some of us

946
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I want to go kiss and cry

947
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: and be a teenager forever, like that's a fun gig

948
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: for a minute.

949
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, you start off in this.

950
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 3: Business and you have really big, grand aspirations of becoming

951
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: Ruth Gordon or Nicole Kidman or you know, we say Sandra.

952
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 4: Bullock all the time, all the time.

953
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: Who were the people that you were trying to model

954
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: your career after.

955
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I wanted to make big movies, you know,

956
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 6: I wanted to be Danny Boyle or you know, you know,

957
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 6: I wanted to make big, important movies. I mean, I

958
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 6: think what's so interesting is and I developed them, but

959
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 6: movies take so long to make. And then as I

960
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 6: directed TV, TV changed like a lot, you know. And

961
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 6: now it's like where you can burn a character over

962
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 6: eight hours or twelve hours in a streamer, you know,

963
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 6: where you can take that time and move slower like now,

964
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 6: I love it. But at the time, you know, TV

965
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 6: was not what it is now.

966
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: Do you think the writer's strike of two thousand and

967
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: seven is what made us come out with that renaissance

968
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: of television? Because when we came back from that writer's

969
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: strike all of a sudden, that's when all like there

970
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: were so many HBO shows that were just like hot,

971
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: so many showtime shows. Cable was doing crazy things. Now

972
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: we're started to do crazy things. That was you know,

973
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: totally unexpected. As we're in a writer's strike right now,

974
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: do you feel that kind of like creative fury bubbling up?

975
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: Are we going to have an other big changeover?

976
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, you know, I think it's

977
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 6: funny like all of my friends and myself who are writing,

978
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 6: like we're writing with a fury right now because it's like, oh,

979
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 6: you won't give us this, well, we're going to write this,

980
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: you know, and kind of in a way because you're

981
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 6: not working with producers or studios. You're very bold because

982
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 6: you can write anything because it just exists in a

983
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 6: vacuum right now, it's not really you're not really writing

984
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 6: to sell. So maybe Hillary, like maybe Mad because I

985
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 6: do see it now like there's no risk really like

986
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 6: you're just gonna write what you want because but you

987
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 6: can't sell it right now.

988
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's like pure creative energy.

989
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Mad writing is good, like writing with a vengeance

990
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 6: is good.

991
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I can't wait, I can't wait. Tell us.

992
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 3: We've talked about the writers strike on the show here,

993
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: and I've been seeing people do like themed theme strike days.

994
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: There's like a Newsy's at the Disney lot. It's been

995
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,479
Speaker 3: a couple other ones. Yeah, we need a tree Hill

996
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: strike day. Who would you dress as on tree Hill

997
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: Strike Day?

998
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of who I could pull it

999
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 6: off as, Like I want to say one of YouTube,

1000
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 6: but it wouldn't be cute.

1001
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 4: We are talking about.

1002
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 6: I mean, I do love Peyton and the double T

1003
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 6: shirt I think is like pretty iconic, right, Yeah.

1004
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: I love what a slob she is because when she

1005
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: comes back to tree Hill, she's wearing all these little

1006
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: like slip dresses. She's trying to be all sexy, but

1007
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: three years ago, Peyton is like, listen, I'm not changing

1008
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: my pants, Like, we're just gonna wear these holy jeans, eying.

1009
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: Every single she's defeated.

1010
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: She's just busy. She's working for terrible people who are

1011
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 5: sending her on coffee runs and making her come to

1012
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 5: the office at eleven o'clock at night.

1013
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's getting put in her place, which I suppose

1014
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: was bound to happen sooner or later.

1015
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: Who did we miss in this episode?

1016
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes we get in trouble, Liz because we pass over

1017
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,240
Speaker 3: key points.

1018
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 5: I mean we did go through I mean at least

1019
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 5: all my notes. I will say it's an interesting episode

1020
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 5: because it really only revolves around US five, you know,

1021
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 5: and now Lindsey with Lucas. But like it, you don't

1022
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 5: see mouth, you don't see skills, you don't see anybody else.

1023
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 5: You essentially get. What you really get is the brother's story.

1024
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 5: In a way, It's like Lucas has a flashback looking

1025
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 5: at a photo of him and Nathan in the college game,

1026
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 5: and then you follow Lucas and Nathan on their journeys

1027
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 5: and Lucas, you know, does what he does, and he

1028
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 5: he makes both of the women who've loved him feel weird.

1029
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 5: And yeah, is trying to figure out how to be

1030
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 5: a dad and not turn into Dan.

1031
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: Well that's it. They're both showing a little bit of

1032
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: Dan this episode.

1033
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, interesting point there. Yeah, Yeah, but I think

1034
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 5: we did it. It was it was kind of insular,

1035
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 5: but that's what I thought was so fun about it.

1036
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: You know, you really only get some surprising moments from

1037
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 5: from Whitey and Victoria. You know, they're the only two

1038
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 5: that come in. Victoria put us all in our place.

1039
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: If you think you're going back down to Hicksville, North Carolina,

1040
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 4: I'm just like, Yo, we live here.

1041
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 5: Be cool, we lived there, Lady.

1042
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: Did you go out while we were filming, Liz, Like

1043
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: on the first one, were you trying to be a

1044
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 3: good kid get to bed?

1045
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 6: I think I was, Yeah, I think I was. I

1046
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 6: mean I went out. I loved Wilmington like I had

1047
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 6: never been there before, and it was a revelation to me,

1048
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 6: Like I loved it so much.

1049
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you shot anything else there?

1050
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think Really, I think like I'm trying to

1051
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 6: like sleepy hollow Shop. Oh yeah, I'm trying to think

1052
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 6: of anything else. I don't know. I love it there

1053
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 6: so much. It's super special.

1054
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 3: Well, and you've worked on so much stuff. I mean,

1055
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: all of this stuff on your IMDb page is bananas.

1056
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: You worked on The Boys, American Horror Story, Tell Me

1057
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: a Story, Jessica Jones, The Gifted, Convision, Secrets and Lies. Oh,

1058
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: I remember Secrets and Lies.

1059
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: You did three episodes of the following two Sleepy Hollow.

1060
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you did Revolution with my husband's

1061
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 3: best friend, Billy Burke. Like you have worked on Vampire Diaries.

1062
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: You've worked on everything, yep. And so for our show,

1063
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: we did a little bit of everything. We had some

1064
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 3: horror stuff, we had lovey dovey shit, we had action

1065
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 3: stuff with the sports. Like, what is your favorite thing

1066
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 3: now as a veteran in this industry?

1067
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 4: Who? How many episodes of television have you done now?

1068
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot hundreds, that's not what's your

1069
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: favorite thing to do now?

1070
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1071
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 5: Is genre or is it?

1072
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 6: I mean? Play like every I mean my favorite thing

1073
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 6: now is working with actors one hundred percent. It's like

1074
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: the collaboration and the discovery and that now that I

1075
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 6: feel like I have a little confidence, like seeing something

1076
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 6: in a rehearsal and having a plan to do this,

1077
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 6: but seeing something and have seen something somebody give you

1078
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 6: an idea and going, oh god, this is what the

1079
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 6: scene is about. And like that kinetic energy with working

1080
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 6: with actors and great actors like that is I mean, look,

1081
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 6: I love shooting big stunts like that's a hard you know,

1082
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 6: like big action like The Boys was super fun. But

1083
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 6: it's also just like even in that it's about like

1084
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 6: finding mistakes with a person, right, like why do I

1085
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 6: care that you're almost getting killed?

1086
00:55:59,239 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 4: Like why?

1087
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 6: And that back and forth and that spontan and like

1088
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 6: prepping well enough that you can be spontaneous in the moment.

1089
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 6: That's like my favorite favorite.

1090
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 5: That's so cool.

1091
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 4: Do we have any listener questions this episode?

1092
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: Do?

1093
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: And actually I think it's such a cool question for

1094
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 5: Liz because it's technically about location scouting, Ariana wants to

1095
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 5: know how come even though Tree Hill is set on

1096
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 5: a beach, we rarely have scenes at the beach or

1097
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 5: near the beach.

1098
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 4: Well, did you film at the beach?

1099
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 6: List not on this episode? On other episodes, I think so.

1100
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 4: Do you want to tell them why we don't go there?

1101
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 5: It's a nightmare.

1102
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean, look, it's like, first of all,

1103
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 6: you're trying to build a day somewhere, right, so like

1104
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 6: you have to build a day at the beach to

1105
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 6: get's like to rationalize getting the company out there and

1106
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 6: moving all the stuff out there. You have to have

1107
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 6: a whole day of stuff to shoot there, so it

1108
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 6: would have to be a beach centered episode. And then

1109
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 6: I mean moving things in sand, like is there anything worse?

1110
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 6: Like everything has to be put on those weird, big

1111
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 6: fat rubber wheels and pushed, and you're asking a crew

1112
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: and a cast to walk in sand. And then it's windy,

1113
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 6: or it's sunny, or the fog rolls.

1114
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 5: It's just very it's wet.

1115
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, to get like that idyllic looking thing is like

1116
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 6: finding a peole in a haystack.

1117
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I used to think a lot about the

1118
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 5: camera guys, a because those, you know, Dolly's cameras are

1119
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 5: all so heavy and b anytime you have to change

1120
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 5: the film or change a lens, You're asking people to

1121
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 5: do that with the most sensitive materials in our business.

1122
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 5: In Sandy Wind.

1123
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Speaker 4: It's terrible.

1124
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: I wasnay, were we still shooting on film in season five? Yes, yeah, yeah,

1125
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: we were one of the last shows we held out.

1126
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 7: Man.

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would give anything to go back to film.

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just looked nice on film.

1129
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to see four K. It's too much. Like

1130
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 5: I don't need to know how many hairs you have

1131
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 5: in your eyebrows. I don't need to know the size

1132
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: of your pores. It's too it's too close. It's so

1133
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: hyper real that it takes me out of things as

1134
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 5: a viewer because it's like I'm at a science museum.

1135
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 5: I don't like it.

1136
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 4: Let's just go back.

1137
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 6: It's so sharp, and I feel like on the film,

1138
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 6: it's like as directors and then cameramen like we you know,

1139
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 6: people would be like, is it gonna look like that?

1140
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 6: And you'd be like, no, we're going to do this

1141
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 6: thing because the monitors were so bad. Now there's like

1142
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 6: a mystery to it still, and like directors of photography

1143
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 6: had an air of mystery of how they did now,

1144
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 6: like it's going to look like that. Yes, it's going

1145
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 6: to look exactly like that. You know if you don't

1146
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 6: If you don't like it now, you're not gonna like

1147
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 6: it later.

1148
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not gonna like it on a big screen TV.

1149
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: No, when they come in so super tight. Now, that's

1150
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: just mean, right, just mean, yeah, not here for it.

1151
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't there for it when we were playing nineteen

1152
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: year olds. Nineteen years old kids, they're idiots.

1153
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: Okay, So Liz, when you come back in.

1154
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: Future episodes, yeah we do. I think we did more

1155
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: flashback stuff, like I feel like I remember laying on

1156
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 3: a car with Lucas, I remembers hanging out by the

1157
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 3: sound somewhere.

1158
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 5: There's definitely more flashbacks. This was the first one, but

1159
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 5: there's definitely more. Also because this played really well, Like

1160
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 5: people loved this episode. They loved seeing where we'd been

1161
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 5: thanks to Lizy.

1162
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 6: Look, it was also really smart writing to hold off

1163
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 6: five episodes, you know what I mean, because people were

1164
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 6: like so dying to know by now, Like that was

1165
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: a really smart construct.

1166
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: Of all the storylines that you had to direct.

1167
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: Which one was your least favorite?

1168
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 4: Which one you're like, god, damn.

1169
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 6: That one on this episode.

1170
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 4: Or any any episode.

1171
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you could tell us your favorite too,

1172
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: But I'm snarky, so I'll go.

1173
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 6: I loved I loved this episode one. I just thought

1174
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 6: like it was a fun opportunity and it was the

1175
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 6: first and then I think next season I shot an

1176
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 6: episode called get Cape Wear Cape Fly, which has a

1177
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 6: big funeral in it. I won't even say more than that. Yeah,

1178
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 6: but that was that was a good episode, Sophie. I

1179
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 6: remember you at the end of that episode is like, that.

1180
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 5: Was one of my favorite episodes I ever did. And Liz,

1181
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 5: you you just like you set such a tone for me,

1182
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 5: and it's so cool to have you in our orbit

1183
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 5: again now and even to hear like you talking about

1184
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 5: you know, when you left Hill and you called Liz

1185
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 5: because who else had a baby? Like I remember in

1186
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 5: season six being like I want to be her friend.

1187
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 5: You're feeling like this kid who Like I was like,

1188
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 5: I can't ask her for her phone number. It would

1189
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 5: be so weird, Like I wouldn't even know what to

1190
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 5: say to her. And I'm really glad I get to

1191
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 5: tell you that now. I'd be like, cool, let's be friends.

1192
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 5: Because I was so enamored by you and intimidated by

1193
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 5: you and impressed by you, and I was just like, hey, Liz,

1194
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 5: how are you doing? I was your morning? Okay, I'm

1195
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 5: gonna go with you. I'm gonna go suiment chair no by.

1196
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 6: I felt the same way. I loved you, guys, Like

1197
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 6: I really I thought you were so good and so cool,

1198
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 6: and I felt like we spoke the same language. And yeah,

1199
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 6: I loved it.

1200
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 4: Wow, you were the cool senior. So thanks for bringing

1201
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 4: us underclassmen.

1202
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 3: Along hell because it was you know, I think everyone

1203
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: knows we needed places where we could feel safe, and

1204
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: you were a place where we could feel safe. And

1205
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 3: it has been really exciting to see all of the

1206
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 3: shows that you've worked on and all of your credits,

1207
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: and like, see you in Variety and see you in

1208
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: all like the trades and stuff, and.

1209
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 4: Be like, we know her. She's a boss lady. Now

1210
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 4: she's running this town. It's fun for us. Yeah, because

1211
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 4: we had no idea we were your first TV.

1212
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 5: Show, not a clue.

1213
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 6: I probably didn't tell you. I mean, like, it was

1214
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 6: so embarrassing, but.

1215
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: I love it all right, So should we spend a wheel?

1216
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 3: Are we a wheel?

1217
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 4: Time?

1218
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 5: Let's do it?

1219
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 4: Liz, have you listened to the show?

1220
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 5: Do you know what?

1221
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 6: Are?

1222
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 4: Yes?

1223
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 6: I listened to it always.

1224
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 4: Girl, you get to spin the wheel.

1225
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: So we have to pick someone from the cast and

1226
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: someone from real life who fits this superlative most likely too.

1227
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 4: Why do we have Sophia.

1228
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 5: Most likely to survive on their own lost in the woods?

1229
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: Okay, character most likely to survive. I mean, Lucas can't

1230
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 3: survive one day without a girl, so it's not him.

1231
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 4: Who do we think can survive?

1232
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 3: I mean.

1233
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 5: I think Whitey. I think he's got like those cool

1234
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 5: older generation skills like that guy would probably be in

1235
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 5: the woods whittling tools. He'd know how to build a

1236
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 5: fire with no match, you know, like, couldn't you picture it?

1237
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 4: Is that why he retired so he could just go

1238
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 4: off to the wood whittle and whittle.

1239
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wouldn't panic, which is a good trait. No.

1240
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 3: Right, He'd probably like like pick one tree and name

1241
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: it Camilla and talk to it all the time.

1242
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 5: That would be his wilson.

1243
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Camilla. I made another spoon winling.

1244
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 5: I love it all right, Liz, who do you think

1245
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 5: in real life? What actor on our.

1246
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 4: Show do you think would survive in the woods?

1247
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 5: If any?

1248
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 6: No, I don't think you are at all. I mean

1249
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 6: I think it's funny. I look at both of you.

1250
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 6: I feel like Hillary can garden and make things and

1251
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 6: farm and do all that and has like a million

1252
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 6: things and then Sophia, I think you have such incredible

1253
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 6: conviction that you would just like hone in on what

1254
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 6: to do and do it.

1255
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 4: Dude, she's out there fly fishing.

1256
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: She's fly fishing and living in yurts and stuff on

1257
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: the top of a mountain.

1258
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 6: And she said that like what a prepper is is

1259
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 6: so you know, you just figure it out.

1260
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1261
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, She's got a knapsack with all the right tools,

1262
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: like a spork and one of those water filtrations straws.

1263
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 3: Did you give away those things like in your in

1264
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: your wedding gift basket, there's some survival tools in there.

1265
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 4: You win this round.

1266
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 5: I think it would be us. I would not be

1267
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 5: able to do it alone, but I think if you

1268
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 5: and I got stuck out there together, it would be fine.

1269
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, the girls got this.

1270
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: The girls have everything under control.

1271
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 4: Obby, Yeah, yeah, yeah. The CW groomed us. Well, God,

1272
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 4: bless are they done?

1273
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: Now? What's going on with Is the CW like MTV,

1274
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 3: Like we conquered those chapters in American television and now

1275
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: they're gone?

1276
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 5: Are they?

1277
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 4: I don't know?

1278
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 6: I don't even know.

1279
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: I think maybe this week they were both in the

1280
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: news for just canceling everything. So, guys, we were there

1281
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: during the peaks.

1282
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 4: I'm so glad we did it together.

1283
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 5: Holy hell, what do.

1284
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: We got next week?

1285
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 6: Baby?

1286
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 5: Ooh, next week We've got season five, episode six. Don't

1287
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 5: dream it's over.

1288
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

1289
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: Liz, Thank you so so much for taking care of

1290
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: us then, and for coming to join us now, and

1291
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: for watching this episode for the first time in like

1292
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: fifteen years.

1293
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. I love this show and

1294
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 6: I love hearing you guys talk about your experience with

1295
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 6: such intelligence and empathy, and I think you guys are amazing.

1296
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1297
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: All right, we have to do another show. Yeah, okay,

1298
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 4: all right, you guys. We will see you next week.

1299
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 4: Bye bye, Hey, thanks for listening.

1300
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,400
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Speaker 2: My girl up girl fashion with your tough girl.

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Speaker 1: You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama Drama, Queens Drama, Queens