1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where when you think this coaching 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: cycle can't get any crazier, it gets crazier. I'm Greg 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Rosenthal in my garage on a Monday morning on the 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: West Coast. It is evening in Manchester, where Ali Connolly 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: joins us. You can check out Ali's work at the 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: read optional substack. But we got him on last second 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: because we had some breaking news on Monday morning. Sean 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: McDermott is out fired after nine seasons as the Buffalo 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: Bills head coach. Brandon Bean is not only staying as 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: general manager, but he has been promoted to president and 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't know some sort of VP of football operations, 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: so we didn't want to wait all the way till 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon to talk about this. Ali, I have a 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: feeling you have all sorts of conflicted feelings about this 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: after watching the ups and downs of what was a 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: really successful nine year run for Sean McDermott in Buffalo. 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: I do have a lot of opinions, and I'm operating 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: on three hours sleep, so I cannot be hell responsible 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: for any takes during this show, but that makes the 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: show fun. It's a decision where I'm not in any 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: way shocked. I am surprised this was the year they 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: decided to do it after successive failures in the postseason, 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: this probably being the second most heartbreaking one after thirteen seconds. 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: But this is not the year Sean McDermott deserved to 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: lose his job. It would be previous cycles where you 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: could say, Okay, maybe it's time for the full reset. 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: And if you're going to do a full reset, keeping 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and promoting him to me is just ludicrous. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a lesson in managing up that you know. 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: This is true in all walks of life, not just 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the NFL. But sometimes it's not the guy or woman 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: who deserves to keep or get the job. It's the 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: one that does the best job keeping the job and 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: cozying up to ownership. In this case, speaking of ownership, 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: we'll just quickly read the statement that the Bills had 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: sent out on Monday morning announced that Sean McDermott has 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: been relieved of his duties of head coach. Sean has 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: done an admiral job of leading our football team for 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: the nine past nine season, said owner Terry Pagoula. So 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: I am being a little bit of a jerk. Here, 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: but to have a typo five words into the statement, 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: which was like an hour after the insiders had it, 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: that you fired your head coach is absolutely brutal. Yeah, 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Sean has done an admiral job of leading the team, 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: but I feel like we are in need of a 46 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: new structure within our leadership to give this organization the 47 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: best opportunity to take our team to the next level. 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: We owe that to our players and to Bill's mafia. 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: And I do think beyond the typo, it is really 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: relevant here Ali that Terry Pagoula, of the owner, led 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: with the new structure. So Brandon Bean is now President 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: of Football Operations and GM, overseeing all parts of the 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: football operation and will be leading the search to hire 54 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: the next head coach. And so it really is a 55 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: decision that Brandon Bean is the guy. And I think 56 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: you talked about you know, deserve and I thought McDermott 57 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: did a better job this year, but the roster has 58 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: been lacking, especially adding blue chip talent over the last 59 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: few years. So it is fascinating to me that Bean 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: not only stays but gets an upgrade. Because there was 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: always a push and pull here between McDermott and Bean. 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: McDermott essentially hired Bean after McDermott's first draft, which was, 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: by the way, probably his best draft. I know it 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: didn't have Josh Allen, but he really started the rebuild 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: right in twenty seventeen. So he hires Bean, and then 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Bean eventually usurped him and twist the knife in out 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: his way out. 68 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: And even in that statement they imply essentially the Brandon 69 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: Bean will hire the whole coaching staff, not just hire 70 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: the head coach, that the coach goes and picks his 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: on people. So just shocking to me that this guy 72 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: has managed to fail his way up in that regard. 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: I think if you look at the failings of the 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Bills this season, and particularly in a one off postseason game, 75 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: one sample size, you can pinpoint almost all those failings 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: at the feet of the GM rather than the head coach. 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: Now we don't know exactly in those personnel meetings who 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: was lobbing for who, who was setting the direction with 79 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: the franchise, but I think if you look at their 80 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: cardinal sin as a team going into the season, it's 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: the general construction of the roster, it's the philosophy of 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: the roster, it's how they assembled an offense last season 83 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: that was ahead of its time. They raced to a 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: new direction on offense that took the league by storm, 85 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 2: effectively kind of guided where the league went this season, 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: and then fundamentally misunderstood themselves defensively and didn't build anything 87 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: that was designed to counter those meta trends that they 88 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: themselves had set. That is so hard to do, to 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: get the theory of your team wrong. And I step 90 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: back and look at what they built the fence. He's 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: a rosta, and it screams to me that they built 92 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: themselves to be one team in the postseason and that 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: team didn't turn up for the party. And to me, 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: that is like the most fireball of all. File is 95 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: so arrogant, And everything about Brendan being frankly has been 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: arragont throughout his tenure, but that ross construction is pure arrogance. 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Yes, maybe the only team that was unhappy that Patrick 98 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't make the playoffs. It's hard not to think 99 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: back though to Saturday. It's a rough way for Sean 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: McDermott to go out. In many respects. I gave him 101 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: grief because I hated how hard he went in the 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: paint just only talking about that call, calling the reporters 103 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: afterwards saying he's standing up for Buffalo but really inciting 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: Buffalo and the anger over that call, which I guess 105 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: you have to call it controversial just because enough people 106 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: are upset about it. But of all the calls, it 107 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: seemed pretty it seemed like a pretty clear call, and 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: it just bothers me. I hate when these men in 109 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,239 Speaker 1: leadership positions who always talk about principles and taking responsibility 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: and owning up to when you struggle, when things really 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: get hard, and that's when we learn about you, just 112 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: point the fingers. The number one guy for me this 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: year doing that was. 114 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: The Notre Dame athletic director. I forget his name now. 115 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: All of Notre Dame really bothered me. 116 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: It's just like, hey, when you actually come up short, 117 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: just blame everyone else. But McDermott did a little bit 118 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: of that, but ultimately he was also quietly blaming Brandon 119 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: Bean in press conferences, especially in the playoffs. But when 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: I pointed out that he's been doing that lately, kind 121 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: of talking about how you really missed Jacoby Myers, you know, 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: or you really appreciated how great Jacoby Myers had done 123 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: and the lack of cornerback depth. They had Darius Slay 124 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: by the way, when I was going through the free 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: agents for them this year, it was just funny to see, Oh, 126 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: Darius Slay's a free agent for the Bills this year. 127 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: That trade left them short at cornerback, and he was 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: almost taking shots at Brandon Bean in public. And that 129 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: speaks to what must have been a clear fracture between 130 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: Being and McDermott. At some point, you know, they were 131 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: hand in hand. I think McDermott was the more powerful 132 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: one for most of if not the entire tenure, but 133 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: at some point I guess Being got the favor status 134 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: in terms of ownership and that they were not really 135 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: seeing eye to eye. It's tough to wonder though, when 136 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: that where that comes up in terms of roster construction, 137 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: because you know, the defense in fairness looks a lot 138 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: like you know, his defense from six years ago. 139 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: A lot of his favorite players are still there. 140 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: It does. I mean they had a ton of injuries. 141 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: You bringing guys, I mean going down in your shield 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: of shock Thumpson and tra Davious White, and you being 143 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: able to hang in a one skull game where the 144 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: only way you give explosive plays. Is you're rolling in 145 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: the seventh and eighth cornerback and Showan Payton picks on 146 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: them for deep brockets in the postseason, that's a pretty 147 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: tough way to go out. I give mcdam a ton 148 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: of credit. I was not in any way. Mcdem found 149 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: through the early phase of the Josh Allen experience where 150 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: his defense was so static it was sedated. Was the 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 2: same group he had in Carolina. It was not keeping 152 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: up with the modern times in the league. And then 153 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: he had this kind of epiphany. I don't know if 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: he went on to my Aahuascar venture whatever he did, 155 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: but he starts going for it on fourth down. He 156 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: kind of leads this disguised based world that defense is 157 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: in and other guys get all the credit. Right it's Vans, 158 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Jos Fitz, Mike McDonald. He is going so far out 159 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: on the extreme compared to other people. And one thing 160 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: I like I admired about McDermott is he would throw 161 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: people under the bus all the time, so I don't 162 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: think he can be too upset about this decision. But 163 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: every time he just kind of got into a room 164 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: and said this isn't working. Defensively with my DC calling it, 165 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: I'm taking it over. Their metrics was skyrocket to the moon, 166 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: like the stop market taking off the week after he 167 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: stepped in, and his ability to become midstream in the 168 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: middle of his head coaching career. A specific design, a 169 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: game plan coach who gives you a serious advantage with 170 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: no personnel, ill fitting personnel to face the offense, no 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: guys who can just play one on one matchup football, 172 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: and to able to grind through games without the right stuff. 173 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: I thought was really really impressive. So he became to 174 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: me discuss of a neutral coach. He made was raw, 175 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: raw culture guy to being a really additive coach on 176 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. I had a great 177 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: vision for where the league was going on offense before 178 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: everyone else. Everyone getting credit about big personnel and extra 179 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: lineman they were there a year ago. I'm wrecking people, 180 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: and then they just misevaluated it themselves for how they 181 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: would try and stop it if anyone tried to replicate this. 182 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: And I do kind of want to get to the 183 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: big picture first of all, like where McDermott could go, 184 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: where the Bills could go in terms of their coaches 185 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: in just the tenure in general, because I do think 186 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: it's fascinating what it says about the last decade in 187 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: the NFL. But I don't want to leave Saturday quite yet, 188 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: because the crazy thing is he did in this game 189 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: what you've been talking about him doing as a coach 190 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: all year, which is adjusting in game brilliantly, and for 191 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: a while in that game, he's sending pressure against the Broncos. 192 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: It looks like they're going to be able to pull 193 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: off another comeback. It's not just the Broncos who've been 194 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: pulling off these comebacks. 195 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: It's been the. 196 00:09:54,080 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: Bills all season long. And they're so close. If Josh 197 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Allen doesn't one hop Khalil Shakir, or you know, if 198 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't miss that throw to Dawson Knox for the 199 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: potential game winning touchdown. Obviously, if Brandon Cooks holds onto 200 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: that ball, and I and I do know when you 201 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: looked at the All twenty two that you know Alan 202 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: might have had a hand in his face on that 203 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: throw to Knox. 204 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: It wasn't wasn't the simplest throw. There's a lot of 205 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: what ifs. 206 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 1: But the crazy thing is, and this is just the 207 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: NFL and this is where you get to deserve and 208 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way, like I 209 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: think I would take them over the Patriots maybe at 210 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: the very least. It's just at worst, you're it's a 211 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty coin flip on the road in the 212 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: AFC Championship and we could be talking about this as 213 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: the best coaching job that the Dermott did and they're 214 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl and it would have been a 215 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: fascinating moment. They would have been underdogs I think in 216 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but it would all be different and 217 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: that's just that's just football, and so that. 218 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: That is just unfair, but it is. 219 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: Uh. I guess ironic is maybe the wrong word, just 220 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: that he goes out on one of his best jobs. 221 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably helpful for the coaching and to 222 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: be's he's going to have coming up that he did 223 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: a great job rather than being viewed as a done 224 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: the head down line. But it seems like he just lost, 225 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: like the Game of Thrones or duncan Egg I guess 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: now power struggle in the building and that typically happens 227 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: because the GM gets to sit next to the owner 228 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: in the suite and complain about the coach and ignore 229 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: all the roster failings they've had, not going and getting 230 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: one on one winners at receiver, every big ticket free 231 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: agent item missing, right, We're gonna go in import pass rush, 232 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: Von Miller dud Joey Bosa doesn't make a single play 233 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: in the postseason until he hits bone Nicks ten seconds 234 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: after a play, trying to show he's a tough guy, 235 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: and then coming out with all the stuff about it 236 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: just his theory of the team. Brandon Bean was so off, 237 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: arrogantly talking about the receiver position, talking at the trade 238 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: deadline that all these young whipper snappers GMS they just 239 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: played fantasy football. Well, those guys made some pretty impressive 240 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: moves that made their teams better down the stretch of 241 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: the season. Meanwhile, McDermott's going out with all these all 242 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: the defensive pieces, just guys he trusts and can communicate, 243 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: and whenever they have to throw Brandon Bean's young fellas 244 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: out into the lineup to get fried over the head. 245 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: So it's a tough one for him. I think it's 246 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: a pretty brutal firing, but I think if you take 247 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: the totality, it makes sense. I don't want to sound like, 248 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm just defending mcdemmit completely. I mean, there's a lifespan 249 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: for these things. They it ran its course. I think 250 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: it's fine to say they need a fresh new voice, 251 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: but doing that while keeping the GM in place just 252 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: makes no sense to me. 253 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's the part that is tricky. And I 254 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: know you're you're firing right now on three hours sleep. 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: How much how much coffee are you just mainlining because 256 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: you're on like East coast time and just staying up 257 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: for these games and watching. Man, it must have been, 258 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: it must have been crazy to what did anything stand 259 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: out to you? By the way up from that Bill's 260 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Broncos game, rewatching. 261 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: It, standing out, rewatching it. Bonis is absolute nails. Throwing 262 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: the ball down the field, good point. What else there 263 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: is to say it? I love the Bonix. It took 264 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: him until one p Sason game in front of a 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: ginormous audience to prove that he's not just some kind 266 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: of like can move around a little bit, dump the 267 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: ball out guy, like he can really rip the ball 268 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: down the field and Seoan mcdommot doesn't have a job 269 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: because Bonicks can rip the ball down the field. 270 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 271 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: He's the sixth winning or of the six winning this 272 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: active head coaches, so not including Belichick here, four were 273 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: fired or quit during this cycle. So that's Tomlin, Sean Payton, 274 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: who's obviously still coaching, John Harbaugh, Pete Carroll was fired, 275 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: and now McDermott. McDermott finishes in Buffalo ninety eight and 276 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: fifty incredible record, top twenty all time in terms of 277 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: winning percentage only quote unquote eight and eight in the playoffs. 278 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: It's a lot of win one, lose one playoff runs. 279 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: You know, I think they they peaked really in that 280 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: twenty to twenty two window. You know, they make the 281 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game, lose to a better Chiefs team in 282 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: twenty in twenty one and twenty two, even though they 283 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: only won eleven games in twenty one, they led the 284 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: NFL in point differential in both of those seasons. And 285 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: I've said it many times, but I'll always believe if 286 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: they win the coin toss for that over time against 287 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, I think they're winning the super Bowl that year, 288 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: even though that was the eleven one year they didn't 289 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: make it to the conference champ that was a divisional 290 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: round game. And then twenty two, they were excellent too, 291 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: and that was the Damar Hamlin season and they ran 292 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: out of gas and got beat pretty bad there. 293 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: But you've made this point in plenty of times before, 294 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: which I think is a great point that often the 295 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: team that isn't close to being the best one is 296 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: decided that breaks through. And it really was that for 297 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: them this year. Brandon Cooks, just hold onto that ball. 298 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: I do believe they go to the super Bowl and 299 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: then who knows in a sixty minute shot with Josh 300 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: Allen at quarterback, but they've had significantly better teams. They've 301 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: had better teams whey he's be more at fault and 302 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: they decided not to move on. Then they have a 303 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: significantly worse team where they're only in the party to 304 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: begin with because of Josh Allen and what he's done 305 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: for them defensively, and they still decide to move on. 306 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: Ben, I've asked around. I'm sure. I'm sure you have 307 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: too a little bit. 308 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: Josh Allen has to be consulted in this, right, they 309 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: have to know his general feelings. 310 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: Do you think that's that's fair to surmise? 311 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's very fair. 312 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't know the specifics of how 313 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: much this or that. But I have seen some Bills fans, 314 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, wondering that basically, And I don't think this 315 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: decision gets made without Josh Allen being involved, which kind 316 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: of takes us to who could be the next head 317 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: coach immediately. People throwing out Brian Dabele coming back or 318 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: elevating Joe Brady. It's hard to say if that's just 319 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: people not connecting. Do you have any gut feeling of 320 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: where they might go next? 321 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: I think from personal experience, the person throwing out Brian 322 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,239 Speaker 2: Dable reunion is Brian Dable and I admire him tremendously. 323 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: This is the best head coach opening, possibly in five years, 324 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: that you get to walk in with an MVP in 325 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: his prime. Roster is not great, not in great shape, 326 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: but you have a settled offensive line. They did lose 327 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: their offensive line coach and maybe the very best in 328 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: football who retired after the game on Sunday, Aaron Chromer. 329 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: That is a huge loss for them, as big a 330 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: loss as losing the game frankly on Saturday, because he 331 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: was such a force multiplier for them and keeping Josh 332 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: Allen clean an individual play development, so they ripped that 333 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: out of the building and they lose the great defensive mind, 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: but you still get to walk into an MVP caliber 335 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: quarterback in his prime. So to me, it's the best 336 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: job opening in a long long time, and who wouldn't 337 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: want to put themselves up for the job. But if 338 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: you go through the list of guys that they could 339 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: look at, it looks like it's going to be offensive 340 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: side of the ball, and that makes sense. They've kind 341 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: of signaled that in their messaging. I don't think it's 342 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: a job where you can have someone learn on the 343 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: job where you walk in following the guy. Where the 344 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: point is, you've got to have a parade or it's 345 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: a failure and you're going to bring in what a 346 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: thirty four year old, a thirty year old who's never 347 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: done the job before, he's been in the league three or 348 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: four seasons, like Nat shield Ars or Grant Udinsky, So 349 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: you're going to have to go with a retread type 350 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: candidate or promoting Joe Brady. The failing this season was 351 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: not on the coaching staff, so maybe you just think 352 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: you broke Joe Brady and if you can fix things 353 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: on the margins and you bring in a similar caliber 354 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: guy defensively, you can get over the whole. Brian Dable 355 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: to would be an absolute no go read tread high 356 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: for them. But if it's just what Josh Allen wanted 357 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: to makes him comfortable, that probably just have to come 358 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: into the conversation. 359 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: And I think it's a situation where the GM in 360 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: this case, Brandon Bean is gonna be wanting to hire 361 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: the opposite of McDermott in that he's gonna want to 362 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: have a guy who he can control, Like Brandon Bean 363 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: is in charge now, So who's gonna go along with 364 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: the program? 365 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: Now? 366 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: That could be guys he knows. Davis Webb was in 367 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: that building once too. Was he either was he a 368 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: quarterback under Brian Dabors or was he a coach under 369 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Brian Dable? 370 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: I can't even remember. 371 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: He was a quarterback and he had that great famous 372 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: profile where he self proclaimed himself Josh Allen's best friend 373 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: without consulting Josh Allen. And who in fact is his 374 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: best friend is? That's another one where I could see 375 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: that happening. I could see him coming in as the 376 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator assistant head coach to be alongside Josh Allen, 377 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: depending on if you bring him off a CEO type 378 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: guy as just the head coach, or you do end 379 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: up with a defensive guy because you know you're getting 380 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: Davis Webb in there. But you cannot put the best 381 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: friend of the quarterback in the position to be the 382 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: guy who must in a Super Bowl. As we open 383 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: a new building of whis it's a catastrophic failure that 384 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: is unfed to do to that coach to be that's. 385 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: A great call about the new building. 386 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that, and the in the 387 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Bills ownership situation makes me push back. I think the 388 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: Ravens would be is a better job. I don't know why. 389 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: I just trust the building more. You do have Lamar 390 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: there as well. You can make, you know, the case 391 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: for Josh Allen moving forward over Lamar or whatever, but 392 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: I trust it. I just feel a little more comfortable 393 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: if I if I was a head coach going into this, 394 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: that the Ravens is maybe a better job, which also 395 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: makes me think about I wonder if John Harbaugh and 396 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: Kevin Sefanski are looking at this. 397 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 398 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: I think New York state law has like a fullteing 399 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: day cool down period on contracts. I wonder if John 400 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: Albo's calling the lawyers and seeing what is I wonder 401 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: if you know Kevin O'Connell Shane Steiken wishes he was 402 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: fired in this cycle. He's looking around going why didn't 403 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: you just fire me? I could have been Lama's coach. 404 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: I could have been Josh Allen's coach. I wonder if 405 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: Kevin o'cannall calls the agent and says, you know our 406 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: first round pick, you get me away from JJ, you 407 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: get me to Josh Allen. If you just go through 408 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: the number of prove on offensive commodities, which is what 409 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: everyone wants, is some kind of scheme savon on the 410 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball, and people, particularly on the 411 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: certain side of the internet, just do away with all 412 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: the head coach responsibilities. Just scheme up football for Josh 413 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: Allen and will take us to the promised Land. It's 414 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: a pretty thin bucket of guys you can look at. 415 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: I can't imagine they'd be in the m McDaniel businesses 416 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: because of the seeing it up close in person in 417 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: the division. That would be a massive swing from Sean 418 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: McDermott to Mike McDaniel. You couldn't get more opposite personalities 419 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: and so as you go through it, it's a pretty 420 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: thin list of candidates who actually would fit the model 421 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: of maybe the best job opening in five six years, 422 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: which is where I would certainly start my proceedings by 423 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: calling Change stike In, calling Kevin Interesting and asking them 424 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: if they just have any interest if we flow our 425 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: first round pick. 426 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: Out that I mean, is that a dry on the 427 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: matt lea flir condrac I doubt it. That's just agreed 428 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: to at this point. Why do you think it's better 429 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: than the Ravens job. 430 00:19:59,600 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: Something? 431 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: The ownership situation has me just the I mean, it's it. 432 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: The Poles have been good for Buffalo and everything, they're 433 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: getting the stadium built, but just feels also that Brandon 434 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: Bean is there, and Brandon Bean feels like he actually 435 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: will have juice. And so you're risking a little bit 436 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: of the Raheem Morris situation that he just had in Atlanta, 437 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: where the GM is on a shorter clock than the 438 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: head coach because the GM is out. If this doesn't 439 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: happen in the next two years, I would think, and 440 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: then everyone is just out. 441 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the bet would make will purely be Josh Allen. 442 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: Raheem did not walk into Josh Allen. He walked into 443 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: Penis and Cousins, and I thought Ben Jonson did something similar, 444 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: which was staple myself to the quart back without absolutely 445 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 2: loving the situation with the front office and known aship 446 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: and as I wing games, I crew power, and I 447 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: can just start walking through the building who I don't like. 448 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 2: And if you get to a championship game, you get 449 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: to a super Bowl, you can clean house as the 450 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: head coach because you'll be the biggest guy in the 451 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 2: city and you'll have all the power that you want. 452 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: And Josh Allen is the cleanest path to do that. 453 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: It's just more Mar's health than Josh Allen's health, though 454 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: both may be risky moving forward or better than that. 455 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: But I will say Steve Bischotti's press conference after the 456 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: elect John Harbor go is maybe the most electric thing 457 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: I've ever seen an owner do in public. I adored 458 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: every minute. I'm going to say it's like a wake 459 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: up motivation clock in the mornings and him saying, and 460 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: you mentioned it before with whether Josh Allen would have 461 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: input into the decision, when Bishadi said, which is out 462 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 2: all owners, I think believe, but don't say it publicly, 463 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: which is everyone gets an input, but I have the power, 464 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: unbelievable billionaire insecurity to let people know slamming the table, 465 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 2: I'm the man with the power. I imagine that's how 466 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: it goes down here. And I don't love being tied 467 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: to Brandon Bean, but I think you just have to 468 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: close your eyes and say, well, Brendon might be frustrating 469 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: and annoying and build a poor roster. But I do 470 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: get Josh Allen on third and goal to win a game, 471 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: and not. 472 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: To get too deep into it, but there's just some 473 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: concern like Kim Pagoula was helping very actively to run 474 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: the team and then she's had health and medical problems 475 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: the last three or four years that has taken her 476 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: out from doing that. I actually was watching some Australian 477 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: Open coverage Big Tennis guy after the Senate and Jesse Pagoula, 478 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: their daughter, who's you know, a top ten player in 479 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: the world, wrote on the camera after she won that 480 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: was a catch with a frownie face. And she's thirty 481 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: one years old. And there's a hole if you want 482 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: to get deep into it. Succession style battle going on there. 483 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: And I agree with the Bills fans that I saw 484 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: on social media. That's hoping Jesse Pegoula like wraps up 485 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: this tennis career in the next five or six years 486 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: and she's the one that takes over because she's sharp. 487 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: I know I'm just viewing from afar, but I really 488 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: like Jesse Pegoula. 489 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,239 Speaker 3: All right. 490 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: Last thing is I do want to just give some love. 491 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: When they took over, and it was McDermott with the 492 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: power like, it was a rough situation. They had not 493 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: made the playoffs in what sixteen seasons? They end that 494 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: streak in McDermott's first season. If you were teaching how 495 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to rebuild a franchise, you could do worse than what 496 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: he did with the Buffalo Bills first draft first pick 497 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: Tredevious White. Now, granted they trade down in a draft 498 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: they could have taken Patrick Mahomes. That was brought up 499 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: to me when I mentioned this, but Tredaevius White, Zay Jones, 500 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, Dion Dawkins, Matt Mulano in that first draft, 501 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: that's huge. They bring in Mike up Hyde and Jordan 502 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: Poyer as cheap free agents in the first offseason right there, 503 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: and that's none of that's Brandon Bean, by the way, 504 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: that's all McDermott. I mean, that was as big a 505 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: home run as you could ever have. The next couple 506 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: drafts have Josh Allen, Harrison Phillips, Tron Johnson, Tremaine Edmonds, 507 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: at Oliver Dawson, Knox. They've had actually some really good 508 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: drafts that popped up here and there after that, Like 509 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: twenty two with the Benford draft was very good. But 510 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: it's gone fallow the last three years, and the free 511 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: agency stuff has been even worse. So it's really if 512 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: you're judging off just the last three years, it has 513 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: not been great. And this gets me to my final 514 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: question here, which is what do you think of the 515 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: theory of that, Like coaches gms, they do their best 516 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: stuff off the bat, like they do their best, most 517 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: inspired stuff in the first five or six years, and 518 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: it's a little unfair, but it just seems like it's 519 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: it's true, that's when they come in with all the 520 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: ideas and the connections and this and that, and they 521 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: do it immediately. I think McDermot could do it again 522 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: somewhere else, but it's almost like you need to take 523 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: advantage of that first five six year window or else 524 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: it starts getting a little calcified in stale. 525 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I think that the idea 526 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: of the five year talent with the quarterback and coach, 527 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: if they don't win one, that it's just not gonna happen, 528 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: so you may as well not keep running it back. 529 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: I think that is true. In fact, I think mcdomm 530 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: is a bit distinctive in that he had a complete 531 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: metamorphosis in the tail end of this run in a 532 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: way that I just never fathom to be able to 533 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: put together. I don't know why he got that new 534 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: influx of energy and ideas to completely reshape his model 535 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: defensively and on offense too, frankly, So he's a little 536 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: bit different in that regard. The drafts certainly went stale. 537 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, if you don't get over the home about 538 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: the five years, is probably best to just potways. 539 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: And it's unfair, and I just keep seeing a lot 540 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what is the NFL come into being? 541 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: You know, so short sighted? I'm thinking, like, I. 542 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: Mean, look at the Premier League, So those guys are 543 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: lucky to get like eighteen months if they're doing well, 544 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: Like look at at the NBA like they they change 545 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: their coaches, like like anything like uniforms. It's it's it happens, 546 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: and I guess it's not fair, but it was time. 547 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: If you were picking a spot, I wouldn't mind seeing 548 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: McDermott sit out the cycle because I kind of don't 549 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: want him to go to Arizona necessarily, or Tennessee or 550 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: a place that it's gonna where he's gonna be fighting uphill. 551 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: I think he is a good candidate for a second job. 552 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Do you agree on that one. 553 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: I think he's a solid candidate, and it'd have to 554 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: be the right situation. The one that I look at 555 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: where I think you could have a real immediate impact 556 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: would be Vegas, where he could kind of reestablish what 557 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: a disaster it's being and get everyone on the same 558 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: page and build a solid infrastructure and just hand to 559 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: off them on the hot shot young offensive minds in 560 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: three years and you at least build a stable in 561 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: a foundation. 562 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: Now. 563 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: They tried that with Pete. That was the same game 564 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: plan and it was a complete But I think mcdermosell's 565 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: his pulse on the game enough where he be able 566 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: to bring in cool, fresh ideas assemble a great staff 567 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: The problem he's got right now is it being so 568 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: late in the cycle everyone already or not everyone, but 569 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: multiple teams are the final spans of interviews. I'm not 570 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: sure if they're going to say no to some of 571 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: the finalists to sit down and interview Sean McDermot where 572 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: his stock is that high around the league to be 573 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: able to do it, and it's going to be left 574 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: up to Arizona where he can have the similar kind 575 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: of influence he would have in Vegas. That just feels 576 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: like a milk toast six to seven win couple of 577 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: seasons and everyone shakes hands and moves on after it, 578 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: whereas at least in Vegas he would have the upside 579 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: of maybe Fanando Mendoz a special he could build something 580 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 2: for the medium term. 581 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: It's easy for me to say, but he's getting paid 582 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: a lot of money to not coach the Bills this year. 583 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: He's only going to be fifty two years old when 584 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the next head coaching cycle starts. I think that's plenty 585 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: of time for a good kind of two point zero version. 586 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: And you might benefit from being away from the game, 587 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: and I think you would be a solid higher in 588 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: the right situation of what you said like he still 589 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: had his hand on the pulse of how to coach 590 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: up defense. 591 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: Ollie, appreciate you. 592 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: This was a last second bat signal call over to Manchester, 593 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: so thank you for jumping in on very little sleep 594 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of coffee. Chris Babona, by the way, 595 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: shout out to our producer. He was apparently in bed 596 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: when I texted him if he could come in that 597 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: he's coming. 598 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: In on what would have been an off day. Shout 599 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: out to him too. 600 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: You will hear from myself next in the feed with 601 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: our next Forties and free Agents episode with Daniel Jeremiah 602 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: looking at off seasons in the AFC, at least until 603 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: another coach gets fired.