1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington, 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Call It What It Is? 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: Call It What It Is? 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Can I talk about my few minutes running up to 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: me hopping on here? 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's the afternoon in Los Angeles and my son, 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: he's in preschool, comes home from school and he walks 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: through the door and I'm like, II, you know, like 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: snuggle in your hair, like nuzzle him, lots of kisses 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: all over the head. Let's do you know, little eskimo 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: eyelash kisses, you know, just so close and delicious together. 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: And my phone was like pooh, and I'm like, okay, 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: So I look at this and I'm like, oh, it's 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: an email for in school and it's like, Hi, your 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: kid might have lice. I've definitely like rubbed my entire 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: set of extensions all over them. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: The silkwood shower. I'm surprised you didn't go you know, 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't cancel and go straight for the 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 2: silkwood shower. 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Well, he's in the shower as we speak, Matt was 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: I was like Matt, But I spent my time like, 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: thank god, the Luddington jeans give you about one strand 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: of hair, right, so it's like that checking don's gonna 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: need extension. So I it took me, like, you know, 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: a minute to check because it was like just that 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: strand and it looked fine and we had moved on 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: with our lives. 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 2: One of the funniest memes you ever are gifts whatever 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: they are called. Yeah, the funniest ones you've ever sent me. 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: When we were going back and forth about how we 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: feel with it without extension, was you saying that after 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: getting them out? Well, the meme you sent me was 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: a Gollum. 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is in fact, Gollum has more hair. 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: And then I thought it was so funny. 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: I actually went searching for more Glumn memes, gifts, whatever. 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: And sometimes he has a comb over. 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's the one I'm thinking about. I'm thinking of 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: the comb over. 42 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're thinking the Luddington hair. The Luddington hair 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: is gallimal. 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: But also the email said, you know, like of course 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: there they have to be diplomatic and they're like, you know, 46 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I can't tell Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna tell me 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: who So Matt and I are doing this like casual 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: interrogation of a four year old and we're like, was 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: anyone like it a lot about sick today, like were 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: they at school? And then not at school? But it's like, 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, Lucas is so annoying and he'll be like 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: a t rex came today. So it's like the lies 53 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: and he was like that, you know, he's mentioning one 54 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: kid that's not in school, and we're like, was he 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: in school? A little bit though? He's like no, no, 56 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: and it's like we're it's a full blown interrogation. We 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: got no information. He didn't give us anything, but he's 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: in the shower right now. 59 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I wish I could tell you that 60 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: showers fixed lie. 61 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: They don't you need the special shampoo. 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: No. 63 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: I remember the smell of the shampoo when I was 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: a kid. Do you were a lie shampoo? 65 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: It was like, I mean, not anymore. But I was 66 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: a real blonde at one point, and lice on real 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: blondes is harder. 68 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: Oh really, because I was thinking that we were lucky, 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: you know what I did, because they're a little bit translucent. 70 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah you can't see them. Yeah, I remember I love you, mom. 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: I remember being left to my own devices with that ship, 72 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: like I remember that when I had it. 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the comb, here's the shampoo. How about it. 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's all but like raid right, like 75 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: it's it's raid in a bottle space. 76 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: Basically it is, we do have raid. We do have raids. Idea, 77 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: that's not what you should do. 78 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: I joke. 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: This is a joke, disclaimer and not to do this. 80 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: Here's what I can. 81 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: Tell you is if well, I will say this is 82 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: actually practical advice from mother of four, if in fact 83 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: there is a chance that he could have it. The 84 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: upholstery is really challenging to get lice out of, so 85 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: you know, maybe just put him in a plastic bag 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 2: and carry him around the house and just don't let 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: him touch anything. No couches for him. Yeah yeah, yeah, 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: maybe maybe he sleeps outside tonight. 89 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: I like the dom bed. 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: The dom bed, yeah, if you're willing to wash it, 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: but yeah, you could just throw it, but you can 92 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: can't take off the cover and wash it in them 93 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: in them in the you know washing machine. Yeah, it's 94 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: really rough. 95 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: Well I'm crossing my fingers that that is that We're fine. 96 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: The one strand so far looks clean to me, and 97 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: it's being shampooed right now. 98 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And a very high temperature of water doesn't matter, 99 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: by the way. 100 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: No it doesn't. They love that temperature. 101 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: They're doing the backstroke and that is taken. 102 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: It's like a hold tub. Okay, how is your afternoon? 103 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: Tell me before we dive in. 104 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: Uh, well, you know we talked about this before. Spring 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: is springing here, and so I have a spring in 106 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: my step and I am if you are seeing me 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: on camera, I'm in a cardigan and hold on tanked up. 108 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: Wow. I know it's your favorite season. 109 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: It miracle season. 110 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: It is, Yes, it is, yes it is. But is 111 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: it still cold there or no? 112 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Now it's like gonna if you would come here and 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: be like it's racing. Yeah, yeah, but it's not that cold. 114 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: And spring is springing and I feel it coming around 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: the corner. And not to get too you know, mystical 116 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: about things, but I do really think that spring is 117 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: a chance and an opportunity for new beginnings. Yeah, not 118 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: just in the physical world, but in your own ideas 119 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: about things. I have felt really grateful because there's been 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: a lot of things that's like sort of swirling around 121 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: me that have to do with some opportunities. 122 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Well, I know, I know, we can't say more. We 123 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: can't say more. Yeah, but that's good. I agree. I 124 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 1: think I think Spring has that like a little magic 125 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: in the air. This is how I feel about Fall too, 126 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: obviously Christmas, but like I do, I feel like there's 127 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: a little like who it's yeah. 128 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 129 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: Also, before I got on, because this leads into our episode, 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: I was on the old TikTok, right because I've I've 131 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm less on Instagram and I'm more on TikTok and 132 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: you know me, this is a skinny ball of the alien. 133 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: I get sucked down these little holes, right, And I 134 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: realized how gossipy TikTok is, right, Yeah, and I am 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: getting sucked into all this gossip that has nothing to 136 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: do with me. I'm like people, you know, like people 137 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: are splitting that I don't even you know in I 138 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: have no idea, you don't even know our aunts on TikTok. 139 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Now I'm involved. Yeah, And I thought about. 140 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: It and they wanted they were actually quite frankly, they 141 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: would like for you to be involved and maybe have 142 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: a voice in it. 143 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And I thought about how well what do you 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: want to introduce our subject, because then I'm going to 145 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: lead into what I thought. Yeah. 146 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean today we're talking about I saw a headline 147 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: last week, which we'll talk about, but we're talking about. 148 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: Gossip, yes, and I felt like, oh, we are in 149 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the new era, especially with TikTok, of global gossip on 150 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: a scale that we've never seen before. Obviously there's been tabloids, yes, 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like the tabloidy part of stuff was 152 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: always like you know, Michael Jackson, whoever it was, was like, 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, but now I really feel yourself there. Well yeah, 154 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: because I'm thinking of those like National Inquirers too, that 155 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: were like, you know, this is aligning yourself. 156 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: Well, I mean National acquire had quite a few alien articles. 157 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know about that because it's where. 158 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 2: It's where your affections, where it started began. 159 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: But what I what I think social media does is 160 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: now on a very it doesn't you don't have to 161 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: be this crazy celebrity like Elvis Presley. Now it's like 162 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: you can get on social media on TikTok and you 163 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: can gossip about what just went down at the wedding 164 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: you went to. And I'm like, oh, oh no, it's 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: like scaled up in our world. 166 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, people you don't even know, but it's all story, right, 167 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: Like that's the thing that I thought was interesting. So 168 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: so the origin story of us having this conversation was 169 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: that a headline grabbed mine eye, which was the surprising 170 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:57,359 Speaker 2: benefits of gossip. Because I actually always I have relegated 171 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: gossip to a very negative category. I've always been like, 172 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: gossip is terrible, you should not gossip, and you know 173 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: when you gossip, bad things happen and whatever. So I 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 2: was sort of just I was taken by this headline 175 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: and I really wanted to understand why or how there 176 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: were surprising benefits to gossip, and I think it's very interesting. 177 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: So I shared it with you, and then we were 178 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: talking about our own relationships to gossip. And and by 179 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: the way, I want to be very very clear as 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: we talk about the benefits of gossip, which really bottom 181 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: line have to do with going back to kind of 182 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: a like our earlier origins and like tribal behavior where 183 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: we were got to live in clans and groups that 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: were tight knit and small, like it was our way 185 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 2: of socializing and bonding. And you know, we like kibbitzing 186 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: and talking about our days and having that bring us 187 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: closer together. There's also another version of gossip being that's 188 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, can can border of dis actually be bullying, right, like, 189 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: oh yeah, gossip about someone that's not true. But I 190 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: think that I think that the surprising benefits of gossip 191 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: would be far more in the category of true information, 192 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 2: passing it on and then creating a relationship around new news. 193 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: But it's not being given to you from a news 194 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: outlet that might have it might or might not have 195 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: an agenda, but really from a person. So you're saying 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: yours was from TikTok, So I guess that's kind of 197 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: different because that is. 198 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just I think I was just thinking about, 199 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: you know, being on TikTok and the fact that gossip 200 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: has has again it's like just it's it's at another 201 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: level at this point. Yes, we have always you know, 202 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: everybody's always gossiped amongst themselves, right like in their worlds. 203 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: And then there's like the tabloty gossip like blah blah blah, 204 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: it might be pregnant or you know, splitting up or 205 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: having an affair. There's always been that. It's kind of 206 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: a dopamine hit. 207 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,479 Speaker 2: Right, It's like a little exciting and you feel. 208 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: Like you're in on They feel like yes, but now 209 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: TikTok is. What I'm saying is is our little gossip 210 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: that we've always done can be projected across the world 211 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: and now there's thousands of people involved in your little gossip. 212 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like gossip on speed. 213 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 214 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: But again, this article was very interesting because I never gossip. 215 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: The word gossip had always had a negative connotation. If 216 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: anyone had ever called me a gossip, I would have 217 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: found it like not a great compliment. 218 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: Well, well, okay, hold on, because in this article they 219 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: go on to talk about and this is like the 220 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: scientific American you know, yes, journal, there is a difference 221 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: between gossiping well and gossiping not well. And those that 222 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: gossip well are seen as holders of information. And as 223 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: we know, in any system or you know, so a 224 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: social system or other those who have the tea they're 225 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,359 Speaker 2: the popular ones. 226 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: The ones you go to. I mean, think about it. 227 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: In a social system, in a work system, you identify 228 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: who has the information and then who's willing to share it. 229 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think it's the way I think it's 230 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: the way people share the information. Are you sharing it 231 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: in a reckless way or are you using it actually 232 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: in a positive way. So NBC broke this down because 233 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, what are examples? I couldn't think 234 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: of examples where like how is it beneficial to gossip? 235 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: And they gave a couple and they said, for example, 236 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: when you find out the person your friend has a 237 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: crush on has a bad reputation for cheating, you let 238 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: your friend know not to hurt your friend as a warning. 239 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, so that's yes, it's 240 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: considered a gossip, but like you're giving someone a heads 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: up or another example NBC gave was you find out 242 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: someone in your company is not a team player and 243 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: you let other coworkers know know that and so they 244 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: can try and avoid, you know, working with that colleague. 245 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: And but I think you, I think that people that 246 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: gossip well, quote unquote, it's about strategy too, because listen, 247 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: if you say something about someone in your company and 248 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: it gets back to them, that could be an issue. 249 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: So it's it's there's a lot involved in gossiping. Well, yeah, 250 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: do you think that you would consider yourself a good 251 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: gossip or a bad gossip. 252 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: I've had my moments with both, but I think that 253 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: makes us human. I would answer to you that I 254 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: feel again, well, I definitely think that I I think 255 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: the gossip is a negative word, but if I'm going 256 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: to open up my mind the idea that maybe it 257 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: is not, yes, I feel that I have evolved into 258 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: a good gossip. And the thing that I like to 259 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: gossip around are things that if it's in like pop culture, 260 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: that that person has already like thrown up what they 261 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: want people to talk about on their own, like through 262 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: a reality show or through you know, a decision to 263 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: date so and so and go out on such and 264 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: such night, or like it's good gossip, it's fun gossip. 265 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, who's going out with who? And what 266 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: are they wearing? And is that cute? And I and 267 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: I'm just well, we already know me. I don't skew towards, 268 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: you know, the I don't skew towards the taking and 269 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: taking down of people. So I think I've become a 270 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: good gossip. I thought that this was interesting. There's that 271 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: in the Women's Women's Health magazine also did an article, 272 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: and I thought that it was very interesting that whether 273 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: you think you're a good gossip or not, it's actually 274 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: not the point because we are all gossips. 275 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: Yes, they're like, hey, guess what, Yeah, you all are. 276 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: Everyone is. 277 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: And they said, there are no people in this world 278 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: who do not There are no people in this world 279 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: who do not gossip. Some just gossip better than others. 280 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: And I tend to think of gossip as a social skill. 281 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: If you are a good gossiper, you're usually a pretty 282 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: popular person. You have a reputation for knowing what's going on, 283 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: and if you're a bad gossiper, it can be quite 284 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 2: the opposite. But there's no such thing as somebody who 285 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: doesn't gossip. Only those who gossip well and those who don't. 286 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: Oh, but here's the thing. Here's I do think loose 287 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,119 Speaker 1: lips sink sank ships. Right, So it is hard because 288 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: not in order to be a good gossip you have to, 289 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, figure out what information. And by the way, 290 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: one of the things that they say this NBC NBC 291 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: says is that a bad gossip is when you're gossiping 292 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: for personal gain. 293 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: I think that that's a terrible person who's gossiping for 294 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: their own benefit. 295 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure I've gossip for my own benefit at some point. 296 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: What if you did that? I can't think of what 297 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: it is. Listen, if here's here's what I probably does. 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: And I'm talking like way back in high school. If 299 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: I found out that someone had a crush on a 300 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: on someone and I had a crush on that guy, 301 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: and I could slightly torpedo that, I just I can't, yes, 302 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: But and I'd be like, oh god, you know that she? 303 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Uh would you make it up? No? No, no, not 304 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: make it up. I would just I'd be like, yeah, 305 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: I heard she's you know, Bama's man. Do with that 306 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: what you will? And then i'd you know, be waiting 307 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: in the wings. But yeah, yeah, I can't think of 308 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: a specific example. But do I put it past me 309 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: in my high school years to not have done this 310 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and been ashad? Yeah, no, one. Here's the other element 311 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: that's tricky about gossipling. Okay, so maybe you're wanting to 312 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: warn somebody about a co worker and you're like, hey, 313 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: this person is really tricky and difficult and there's a 314 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of strategy. 315 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: There is a lot of strategy to this, and I honestly, 316 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: strategy stresses me out. You and I talk about this 317 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: a lot. You and I talk about this a lot. 318 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. This morning when we. 319 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: Were talking, I was telling you about something and you 320 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: were like, I'm yes, you're playing this And I was 321 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: like wait, no, no, no, no, I yes, and you were like, 322 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 323 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: I just you know. I love you. So I'm always 324 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: gonna be like, just make sure that you're being careful. 325 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: And who appreciates you more than me? 326 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: No? One? 327 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I yes, I need that. 328 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: See, I think that we I think we are. I'm 329 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: gonna tutor our own horns here. Me and you gossip 330 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: real good. 331 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. 332 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: But that's because we hold each other's secrets. Like like, 333 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I know when I'm being told information, whether it's about 334 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: you or somebody else. I know when I need to 335 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: really safeguard it. To be honest, whatever you tell me 336 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: doesn't go any further anyway. 337 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: I just flashed on act. Actually, my least favorite part 338 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: of gossip this is this is a rule that I 339 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: actually will never break. 340 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: Are you ready for what is it? Yeah? 341 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: No, if I have a friend, I'm going to put 342 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: friend in air quotes. 343 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: Sure. 344 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: If I have a friend who comes to me and 345 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: says so and so said such and such about you, M. 346 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: But you can't tell them that I told you M. 347 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: That is a curse. 348 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: I find that that friend is not a friend because 349 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: at a certain point you have to take accountability. And 350 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: if you want to tell me something that someone has 351 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: said about me that's horrible, then I do think you 352 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: need to let me take care of it. 353 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: Okay, So let me ask you this question, because this 354 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: is very interesting. What would you if that person, Okay, 355 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: say I've heard something about somebody else, someone says something 356 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: about you. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's hard. It's a 357 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: hard situation for me because I mean, anyone that would 358 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: say anything bad about you, if I had directly heard it, 359 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: I would have to say, yeah, I would just I 360 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't have any filter. Would you rather not know? Then? 361 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: If I can't do something about it, I would rather 362 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: not know? 363 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: What if it's backpocket information, though, that's important for you 364 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: to know. Like, let me give you a scenario. You're 365 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: working a job and the producer above you has said 366 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: something behind your back, like I don't you know, she 367 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: always does this thing on camera and it really bugs 368 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: me and h and then someone comes to you and says, hey, 369 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: this is what I've heard. Obviously, I don't want you 370 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: to go to the producer and be like that emphasis 371 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: told me, but like you can pocket the information. Is 372 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: that scenario okay with you? Or would you rather not know? 373 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: I'd rather not know, yeah, because I because I can't 374 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: do anything about it. And I mean, obviously, the rational 375 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: adult thing would be that that producer should come to 376 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: me and say, I really don't I've got hey, I 377 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: mean whatever and whatever nice and kind of way like, hey, 378 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: this thing is that. That's, by the way, that's called collaborating. 379 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: Okay, you have something that I don't have. You have 380 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: teens and tweens in your house, So let's talk about 381 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: learning to be a gossip, which is what they're doing 382 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: in high school and they're all doing and they're all 383 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: doing in middle school. Are there moments where like how 384 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: are you dealing with that? Like what are those conversations? 385 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'm going to be real real for a second. 386 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm not actually real real all the time, but let's 387 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: just be real real. 388 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: About something I think is probably not popular to be 389 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: real real about because it's hard to reckon with. We 390 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: as much as we get a hit of dopamine and 391 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 2: excitement about good news, like. 392 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: We get so excited. 393 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: We're like, oh my gosh, this is amazing, this is 394 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: going to happen, and my friend got this or I 395 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: got this or whatever. I don't know what it is. 396 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: We need some scientists to come on and talk to 397 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: us about it. But I do believe that there's also 398 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: a weird I encourge that you get from hearing something bad. 399 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: Like yes, when you hear something like so and so 400 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: did such and such and you're like God, but it's 401 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: kind of thrilling. Yeah, Like it doesn't feel like, oh no, 402 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: I can't tell anyone. 403 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: It's only when that person is already sort of on 404 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: your naughty list. 405 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: I wish I could say that. Sometimes there's like really 406 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 2: nice people that I mean, again, this is probably more 407 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: high school. 408 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: No, because if someone said something mean gossipy about you, 409 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: I'd have to cut a bitch. No no, no, So 410 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: you have to be on my spicy list for me 411 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: to get a little thrill. 412 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, my possible takedown list. Yeah yeah, yeah, I get that. 413 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: Or you don't know them at all, like they're on TikTok. 414 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: You don't even you've never you don't know them. I'm 415 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: guilty of this. It's what I just did. I was 416 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: getting thrills and sprills. Yes, I was loving it. 417 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know them, and I'm like, oh, he 418 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: broke up with her like that? 419 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what, so are you teaching your girls, like 420 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: just to be aware of the thrill of like group 421 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: bad gossiping, like group talking. 422 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well obviously that yes, because I do believe 423 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 2: very deeply that there are no secrets in life. I 424 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: do not believe secrets. I really don't. 425 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, well, what does that mean though, Like. 426 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: Anything that you think, do say, pass on is discovered, 427 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: whether it's discovered tomorrow, in a week, a month, two years, 428 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: ten years on, like at the end of your life. 429 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but most secrets get out, like 430 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: the secrets come out to the top. And I think 431 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: what I what I meant to introduce when I said 432 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: that you get a thrill from hearing bad gossip is 433 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: that you need to just kind of recognize that in 434 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: yourself as like, nothing's wrong with you. You just heard 435 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: something kind of thrilling. And what happens next is what's 436 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: most important. Because if you hear that information and then 437 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: you pick up your phone and blast it off to 438 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: four more people or I mean, let's be honest in 439 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: this dand age like. 440 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: That was on TikTok. Yeah, you put it on TikTok, then. 441 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: I think you have a real problem, like you've got 442 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: to you should there's a heavy load to that kind 443 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: of thing, like a like you should have a conscious 444 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: about that. And also like you're not fact checking, like 445 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: like why are we passing off bad information right? Or 446 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: information that could hurt someone or be negative. So I 447 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: think that there's bad gossip and then there's fun and 448 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: exciting and connective and bonding gossip. And that's what I 449 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: think that I was interested in when I, you know, 450 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: was going down the rabbit hole of reading this BBC 451 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: article and the Scientific American article and it was just 452 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: you know, I was like, I get it. 453 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one There's one thing that really also interested 454 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: me in that BBC article, and that was because I 455 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about this. It says the Me Too movement 456 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: has changed perceptions of gossip, as has the rise of 457 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: speak up cultures and the creation of safe environments where 458 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: truth can be told. Yeah. So I found that very 459 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: fascinating because I do think that what could have been 460 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: perceived as gossip before. 461 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: Is now. 462 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: Sharing of the truth, right, Yes, And I've seen in 463 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: many ways in my own life since me too personally 464 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: things change where people speak up about stuff. 465 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 466 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: And it would have been considered gossip before to be like, 467 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: you know what, this does happened and I or I 468 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: saw this or you know so that that was interesting 469 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: because I never thought about that. 470 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when you're younger, you really need to 471 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: think about how you talk about people. And for some 472 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: reason it's really hard, but I really do. I mean, 473 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 2: you were asking about the teenagers and the tweens. I 474 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: just I think it's so it's so hurtful and so 475 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: damaging when you know a story is put out there 476 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: about you and and then it catches fire. 477 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: And have you had a situation where one of the 478 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: kiddo's or have you seen a situation like this has 479 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: happened where somebody has a kiddo has been talked about 480 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: and then the parents feel like they have to intervene 481 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: with the other parents, like what are you doing? Are 482 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: you calling the other parents at some point and being 483 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: like dude, lock it down. I like that's what I 484 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: want to do. Look it down. 485 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what a version of Capshaw, I'm in 486 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 2: right now. Like if I'm like two point zero, three 487 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: point zero, I'm not sure, but one point zero. At 488 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: the beginning of my child my having children journey, I 489 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: was absolutely like if I heard the rumors, rumors, yeah, 490 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: I was. I mean, I had like a batphone. It 491 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: went straight to the source. I'd call, principles, I'd call. 492 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: And I love this. Okay, So I want to hear. 493 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: I want to hear the outcome of that. Was it beneficial? 494 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: Was a journey? I mean I think I think it was. 495 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 2: It served a purpose. I mean I think there were 496 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: things that I learned about doing that that were that 497 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 2: that affirmed that what I was doing was the right thing. 498 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: And then there were things that were a little bit. 499 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 1: Like unhinged, a little bit scary. If I called you, 500 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of people listening that 501 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: have teens and have tweens, and this is this is hard, 502 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: right If I call you and I say, I've just 503 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: heard this rumor about my kid. These these girls are gossiping, 504 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: these boys are gossiping. What is your what would your 505 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: advice you you've gone through this, You're like the oracle 506 00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: to me. 507 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: Not quite, But I mean I do. As hard as 508 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: it is to see your kid unhappy, or if your 509 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: kid's even the one that's like, you know, on the 510 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: chopping block, you gotta let them be unhappy. 511 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: Are you doing a let them for the gossiping? Maybe 512 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: it's mL Robbins like let them let them talk, And well, 513 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's. 514 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: Funny I heard. 515 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: I heard. 516 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 2: I don't know whose sage wisdom this is, but I 517 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: heard it on a podcast that actually Betsy Brown Brawn 518 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: was talking on and she said something, I mean, I 519 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: can skew you. I'm far less anxious than I used 520 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: to be, but I certainly can imagine all the things 521 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 2: that could go wrong in any situation. So I do 522 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: have to steel myself against the worry. And she said 523 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: something that made a lot of sense to me, and 524 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: it was that you need to prepare your child for 525 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: the path, right, You need to prepare your child for 526 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: the path in front of them, the way that they're 527 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: going to grow and move along in this world. You 528 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: can't prepare the path for the child. You can't be 529 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: like ahead of them, like clearing the bushes and like 530 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: talking to the parents. 531 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know me, I'm a clearer. 532 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: Well, I just told you so was I. I can do that, 533 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: and then I can also do this incredibly self unaware 534 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: thing where I'm like, oh no, no, no, I'm not 535 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: preparing the path and literally wearing like a backpack blower. 536 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: Carrying a rake. You're like that patch, I just cleared 537 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: it a little. 538 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: Oh no no, no. 539 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: No no no. 540 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: I was just doing my weekly maintenance. 541 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't that kid. I wasn't doing it for them. 542 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 2: I was just doing it because I mean I just 543 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: saw it and you needed to fix it. 544 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: Ah. 545 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: It's so hard, though, it's so so, so so hard. 546 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: I think that I'm going to try my hand. I mean, 547 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen at some point and I'm gonna hate it, 548 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna try my hand on the direct calling 549 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: the bat phone to the parents. 550 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't recommend. 551 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: It, really, right, is it? Because the parents are so 552 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: defensive when you do something like that, and they're like, 553 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: not my not my Cindy. 554 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: Yes, And ultimately the reason why I think you don't 555 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: is because you have no idea. I mean, they could 556 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: be collaborative, and they could, but they also couldn't. And 557 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: I think, ultimately, again, if you're going back to that 558 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 2: child centered idea and navigation. They should be the one 559 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: figure I get out. So if they're at school and 560 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: so and so, it's time. I mean again, all of 561 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: this is to say to a point, right, like, if 562 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: there's an extreme situation where people are, you know, doing 563 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: something very harmful or anyone's mental health is at risk, 564 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: then this is a different situation totally. 565 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: Can I ask you before we move on a little 566 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: bit with this, but can I ask you did you 567 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: find when in your experience were parents receptive or were 568 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: they not? 569 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: I think the whole list, like the eight out of 570 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: ten times was that they were super responsive. And we're 571 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: like uh huh uh oh yes, oh no, oh yeah. 572 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: And then somehow within two to three days, had you know, 573 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: gone and done their due diligence and come back and 574 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: been like, oh my gosh. I mean, well, you know, 575 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: Johnny just said that didn't happen. 576 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: And it's always that. 577 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: It's always like and then they went to their kid 578 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: and it just didn't happen, And it's like, what are 579 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: you gonna do? Is anyone you want to send your 580 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 2: kid to school with a GoPro? 581 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: Sure they're gonna hate to see me coming. 582 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like they've got the wire. They're wearing the wire, 583 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: like I'm taking my and my kid to school with 584 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: the wire. God, I don't think I'm doing that. 585 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. 586 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,959 Speaker 2: I might want to, but I'm not going to. 587 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is so hard, Johnny, because we 588 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: all know Johnny did it. We know Johnny did it. 589 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: Of course Johnny did it. 590 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I think we can end this conversation on three 591 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: ways that we're quoted by psychologists. That are ways when 592 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: you can get better at gossiping. So I think twice 593 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: before you do it. What's your intention? Right? Like, it's 594 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: if your personal gain? Is it Camilla trona torpedo, USh 595 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: another girl to get the guy? 596 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 2: I can't know that about you. Now, do you think. 597 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: Twice about the gossip? You don't gossip for personal gains? 598 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: The other one, and then the third is you don't 599 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: distort the information, tell it like it is. You don't 600 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: put your own little spinneroo on it. 601 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's like the game of telephone, you know, 602 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: And it. 603 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: Is hard because sometimes you know, you can add a 604 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: little flare. 605 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: I know, because we're storytellers. What can we say for storytellers? 606 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes we need to add a little embellishment. Sometimes the 607 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: story is kind of boring, you need to give it. 608 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: We're just helping the stories. 609 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: Also, you I I think I have to add flair 610 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: because you flat out tell me that my story is boring. 611 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: God, sometimes they are, but most of the time they aren't. 612 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 613 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: Hit us in the comments for this, because I want 614 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: to know if you guys have ever thought of gossiping 615 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: as good. I think this is a conversation that could 616 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: be had. 617 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeh Is that a bonding experience? Are you able to 618 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: do it with integrity? And uh? 619 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: And has this podcast in any way open your eyes 620 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: the idea of it being able to be good? 621 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: Would you like to be a bigger and better gossip. 622 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: Because of this episode? Yeah? I hope no one's thinking, like, 623 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I'd like to be a little worse. 624 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm taking people out on tomorrow, left and right. 625 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: Have you been watching The White Lotus? Yes? I, oh, 626 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: you know what. That is a great example Jessica of gossip. Yeah. Yeah, 627 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: and it hears me hives because I've also heard I 628 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: don't know where I heard this, but I heard friend 629 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: groups of three never really work. You should never do it. 630 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: Get rid of one of you if that's where you're at. Sorry, 631 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: you gotta boat one of them off the island. Yeah, 632 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: you know what, here's the thing that Friendship trio is, 633 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 2: you know if it reminded me of that saying like, 634 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: if you're not at the table, then you're on the menu. 635 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't like that. 636 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: I know I'm never going to leave the table again. 637 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: And I have to wear diapers to dinner. 638 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: No, we're never leaving the table. And we're also just 639 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: not gone. 640 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: We can't get a third. I also, yeah, I mean 641 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: I don't need a third. No, gosh, no, you know, 642 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 2: I get jealous anyways on one a third. 643 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: We don't need a third. We don't need a third. 644 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: But that's a great example of gossiping. But when I 645 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: watched that show, their particular dynamic because the Trump scene 646 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: and everything just the whole oh god, stressful. 647 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 2: The side looks, Oh my gosh, and where I don't 648 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 2: know where Parker Posey's going, but I just feel like 649 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 2: she's gonna get swallowed by the ocean suit. 650 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: Yes, but by the way, great example of bad gossip. 651 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we got there through Schwarzenegger. He's really 652 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: good at playing this part. 653 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: I definitely want to punch him. 654 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: I want to. He is the douchiest of douches, and 655 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 2: he's I think, I mean, I'm I'm gonna go on 656 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 2: aland here. I don't know him. This is not a 657 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: personal assessment. I think he knows it. I think he's 658 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: really playing it. I don't think that's him. 659 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: He's having so much fun. 660 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 2: I think he's I mean, those sunglasses, the whole thing 661 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 2: so weird to his sister, which is so hot. I 662 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 2: know it's so weird, but also what's the younger brother 663 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: doing and is he like I feel like he's waiting. 664 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: To kiss her too. It's all gross. But wait, I 665 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: have to just sidebar this really quick. When I was 666 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: in high school, the boys used to dress kind of 667 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: like that the s and it's so gross that now 668 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: it gives me he begbi's to see the collar if 669 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: you look like you're about to play golf but you 670 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: are not playing golf, it's just really American psycho. Yeah, 671 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: it's gross. 672 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 2: Well, the sunglasses, the shirt, the whole thing. There's also 673 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: I always forget that a white lotus. I need to 674 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: just be ready to see someone's butt. 675 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: Did we see a butt? We did see a butt. 676 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: Whose butt I see? 677 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: We saw a Schwartzenegger butt, we saw Shortinger butt. I 678 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: saw some boobs in my last one. 679 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: Whose boobs did you see? We saw? Oh yeah, the dad. 680 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: That was a great moment when the dad, the robe 681 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: opens up and the the under kid riage was all revealed. No, 682 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm finding why Lotus more stressful this season, Like like, 683 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: I'm really stressed out by the undercarriage, by all of it, 684 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: by the polo shirt, but also I'm stressed. 685 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: Out because I know that something terrible is gonna happen 686 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: soon and I don't know when or where or who. 687 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: Okay, so before we leave this podcast, we've done a 688 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: little sidebar. Who who do you think is gonna die 689 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: on the White Lotus. 690 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be one of the ladies. 691 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Parkert Possi. 692 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 2: Well, she's already been foreshadowing again being swallowed by the ocean. 693 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. 694 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: I think it might be a Leslie Bibb or or 695 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: a Carrie Coons, maybe I'm Michelle Monny and I don't know, 696 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 2: maybe one of them. 697 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: I think that I think that the the mom parkeet 698 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: Posi is not going to have been shot, even though 699 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: we see her floating and there's gunshots. I think that 700 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: she's gonna have odd on lauras of Han because she 701 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: loves those. She just love them, all right, I digress. 702 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: Call it her comments who do you think is going 703 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: to die? In the White Lotus? But also gossiping? Have 704 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: you ever thought of gossip as a good thing? 705 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 2: And should we gossip more? Here on? 706 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: Call it what it is. I think we might listen 707 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: if you want us to gossip, Jessica and I can, well, 708 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: yeah we can't. 709 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: And like I said, we think we can good gossip. 710 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 2: But you know it's gonna pack a bunch, all right. 711 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: Call it the end of the episode.