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Speaker 1: I think you might find this very interesting. I've never

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, sir, Yes, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: But Aton oh Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?

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Speaker 1: And what does aton mean?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the Hebrew derivation means strong.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't. Yes, she

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Speaker 2: My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any

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Speaker 2: understand the consequences of their actions, right, and.

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Speaker 1: Then they're going to be looking around as And we've

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Speaker 1: seen so many of these cases where a child who

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Speaker 1: wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider Man on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday. When they get older,

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Speaker 1: they're very angry. Now you talk about some severe psychiatric

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Speaker 1: problems over the fact that they've been altered as to

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Speaker 1: We've had guests on our show who've gone through this,

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Speaker 1: and it breaks my heart for them. And people commit

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Speaker 1: suicide over this. They commit suicide over having been altered

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Speaker 1: into someone or something that they're not.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and instead of telling these kids, you know,

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Speaker 2: their perfect as the way they are that going through

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Speaker 2: purity is hardened, but those challenges will make them stronger,

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Speaker 2: will make them better, and that the lessons they learned

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Speaker 2: from those challenges is what they will take into their adulthood.

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Speaker 2: Like that's what we all had when we were children,

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Speaker 2: and it was those things that that gave us the

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Speaker 2: strength to make it through tough times in the future.

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Speaker 2: And what they're doing is taking that away from these kids.

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Speaker 2: And it's so wrong because.

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Speaker 1: Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,

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Speaker 1: the whistleblower in this massive case that's just just hit

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Speaker 1: the news coming up. Aton Heim is our guest, and

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Speaker 1: I'll just read you the Daily Wire headline. A doctor

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Speaker 1: blew the whistle on his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the

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Speaker 1: Feds are trying to ruin his life. The whistleblower who

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Speaker 1: exposed shocking surgeries at the country's largest children's high hospital

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Speaker 1: comes forward. That children's hospital is Texas Children's Hospital, the

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Speaker 1: prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas. Ayton him was a doctor

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Speaker 1: there and he blew the whistle on the fact that

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Speaker 1: they were making boys and the girls and girls into

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Speaker 1: boys and we're talking about children, he says, is who

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Speaker 1: did this? When we talk about you, as they talk

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Speaker 1: about you being an anonymous whistle blower, how did you

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Speaker 1: do that? How did you go about saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: this is what's going on over here. Y'all need to

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Speaker 1: know this is a bad thing. If you see something,

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Speaker 1: say something.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's an interesting story, because there was There

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Speaker 2: was at one point when I saw that the Grand

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Speaker 2: Round Lectures, you know, this very prestigious lecture series in

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Speaker 2: the hospital, and it was given by the directors of

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Speaker 2: the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to

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Speaker 2: the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I

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Speaker 2: knew I had to do something about it, because it's

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Speaker 2: my responsibility as a surgeon and a moral responsibility as

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Speaker 2: an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to

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Speaker 2: the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in

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Speaker 2: the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists

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Speaker 2: during that time, and for five months it was just failure.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I would just reach out to people might you know,

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Speaker 2: might express some interest, but you know, people would look

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Speaker 2: at me, like, you know, like you know, who's who's

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Speaker 2: this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know

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Speaker 2: all these times and and so it was. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of uh, you know, dead ends.

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Speaker 2: I would That's the best way I would put it.

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Speaker 2: But then I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in

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Speaker 2: mid May, and the timing couldn't have been more perfect

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Speaker 2: because I didn't know this at the time, but the

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Speaker 2: Texas Senate was voting on a bill s B fourteen.

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Speaker 2: This was going to be the law that would ban

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Speaker 2: these hormone related interventions for children who believe they have

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Speaker 2: are who believe their transgender. So he knew that it

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Speaker 2: was important to get the story out, so he verified

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Speaker 2: who I am. You know. We get the story out

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Speaker 2: on May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text

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Speaker 2: Children's is lying to the public about the existence of

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Speaker 2: their program, and that first day goes all over the news,

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Speaker 2: big story, But it did exactly what we thought it would.

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Speaker 2: The very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right

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Speaker 2: doing these interventions on children was voted to become illegal

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Speaker 2: in the state of Texas in a bill that was

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Speaker 2: passed with bipartisan support and we were told that partly

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Speaker 2: it's because our story came out the day before that

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Speaker 2: there were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it,

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Speaker 2: because you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing

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Speaker 2: was happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now

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Speaker 2: they knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on

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Speaker 2: the news, but it was something that was that was true,

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Speaker 2: that was actually happening right down their street. So then

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Speaker 2: more whistleblowers come out, you know, or the A couple

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Speaker 2: of days later, another whistleblower comes out to tell their

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Speaker 2: story about working with these doctors and how he was

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Speaker 2: horrifying to see these kids being put on these medications

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Speaker 2: in these blockers so quick after such short clinic visits.

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Speaker 2: And then the Texas Turnian General announces an investigation into

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Speaker 2: the hospital, and then, you know, for the second time

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Speaker 2: in fourteen months, the CEO of the hospital says that

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Speaker 2: he's shutting down the program because of the passage of

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Speaker 2: the law. So at the end of that, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm still a nonymous but I'm thinking, you know, we

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Speaker 2: succeeded and it couldn't have couldn't have worked out better.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken

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Speaker 1: Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change

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Speaker 1: procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital

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Speaker 1: where he was a surgical restaurant resident. This talking about you.

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Speaker 1: Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion in March

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, that it was halting its so

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Speaker 1: called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures. And

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Speaker 1: in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused hormone

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Speaker 1: related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step was

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Speaker 1: taken to safeguard our healthcare professionals and impacted families from

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Speaker 1: potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in March of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: But you were a.

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Speaker 1: Surgeon on staff, as a resident there or as a

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Speaker 1: resident there, and you knew they were lying, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you gave the information for the story to be

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Speaker 1: written about. As a result, at they go to the

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Speaker 1: FEDS to try to take you down, right.

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Speaker 2: And you know, just something to note that a few

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Speaker 2: three days after that statement, they put peevy blockers into

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Speaker 2: a pre pew resent girl, right, So there was nothing

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Speaker 2: more unequivocal than that statement, But it goes to show

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Speaker 2: how blatant this was that they gave that statement three

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Speaker 2: days later they're still doing it, and then only ramped

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Speaker 2: up from there.

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Speaker 1: Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I read another article. I don't remember the source. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's important.

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Speaker 2: You're here so we can.

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Speaker 1: But I read a statement that you had made to

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Speaker 1: somebody that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,

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Speaker 1: but it is financial, that there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: money involved with this. Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: You know? Well, I wouldn't. I will actually say more

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Speaker 2: so the former than the latter. It is. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think I think it's I think there is a financial component,

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Speaker 2: of course, and I think that's how you get some

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Speaker 2: of these squashy people who don't necessarily agree with it,

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Speaker 2: but they're willing to go along with it because they

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Speaker 2: know it's going to make them a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: But I think that something like this cannot be on

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Speaker 2: such a large scale unless you have people who are

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Speaker 2: committed to it ideologically. And I truly believe that's the

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Speaker 2: only way you could do this to a child is

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Speaker 2: if you know, within your bones, you believe that somehow

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Speaker 2: you're doing the right thing despite the fact that you're

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Speaker 2: destroying these kid lives. And so I think, yes, I

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Speaker 2: would say it's more ideological than.

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Speaker 1: Financial when obviously you're a young guy and as a doctor,

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Speaker 1: you're very young, but you are very clear that doing

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Speaker 1: sex changes on little kids is a terrible thing and

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Speaker 1: it's going to harm its child abuse as as impacts

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Speaker 1: on this that I don't know if you use that term.

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Speaker 1: We're up against the break hold type Justic bon went.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Aton him, the whistleblower against Texas Children's Hospital,

583
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Speaker 1: says they're still doing uh, sex changes on kids, even

584
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Speaker 1: after the law said they can't, and they said they're not,

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Speaker 1: But the Feds are trying to destroy his life because

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Speaker 1: he saw something and said something coming up.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would say that I'm not sure if

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Speaker 2: they continued after they said they had stopped fair enough