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Speaker 2: So Mike's been singing Ariana Grande. I've been walking around
Speaker 2: just like super hyper this morning. So happy Monday, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, this Monday. This is super exciting. Hey, but
Speaker 2: I really want to get into something because it's been
Speaker 2: on the news. It's been a topic of conversation and
Speaker 2: I really want to debate it with all of you guys.
Speaker 2: I think that was gonna be my question too. Really yeah, Okay, So, honey,
Speaker 2: I know you've been dead to the world for the
Speaker 2: past couple of weeks because you've had that awful told.
Speaker 2: Still he's still there.
Speaker 5: Still getting over it, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I can tell it, I can hear it. So basically,
Speaker 2: did you hear any of the news going on about
Speaker 2: Felicity Huffman and Laura Laughlin? Okay, so Felicity Huffman Lori
Speaker 2: Laughlin were arrested and Becky the Queen of Home Aren't
Speaker 2: and aunt Beckie. So Lauri Laughlin got arrested for and
Speaker 2: Felicity Haffen. Basically, the FBI raided their house and arrested her. Amazing,
Speaker 2: not really, but there was like a huge investigation because
Speaker 2: of the college scheme shames schemes, the scheme shame.
Speaker 3: Seme.
Speaker 2: I read the up to day that I got really into. Okay,
Speaker 2: so why don't you give the background since you have
Speaker 2: all the the major.
Speaker 1: Long story short, there was a man who was running
Speaker 1: like an underground scheme where sheame.
Speaker 2: We're really rich.
Speaker 6: That's not the rich people say, we're really really like
Speaker 6: not even like rich, but like major company execs and
Speaker 6: CEOs and like obviously these actresses, people with.
Speaker 1: A lot of money were paying him so that he
Speaker 1: could ensure that their children got into Yale, Harvard, usc UH, Northwestern, George,
Speaker 1: all the these major universities.
Speaker 5: On athletic scholarships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and also like Felicity Haffman paid I
Speaker 1: think it was fifteen thousand.
Speaker 2: For a better essays. So he had someone like into
Speaker 2: the community, into the college.
Speaker 1: He had like ten people around the country who would
Speaker 1: go take the test for your kids. But like, I
Speaker 1: mean some of these people were paying half a million dollars.
Speaker 2: Somebody paid a million. I know.
Speaker 1: It's like really, I mean I was watching this thing
Speaker 1: and there like holy blue collar crime, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but like that's a lot of money. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm on two you get is that what you were?
Speaker 1: That's what I was can ask because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't have kids, so I know there's a huge bit
Speaker 1: like oh, but you would do anything for your kids,
Speaker 1: And so that's my question, Like what's the extent.
Speaker 2: I have two very different sides to this, and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: those rich spoiled kids. Well here's the deal, if you
Speaker 2: had the money to do it. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: which side I'm on. Two very different sides, because I
Speaker 2: can see two different sides. The one side is, well,
Speaker 2: people pay for private school. That's giving your child a
Speaker 2: life of you know, maybe better learning, better quality of school,
Speaker 2: better classroom. So you're paying. You know, I have a
Speaker 2: girlfriend that's paying over thirty thousand dollars a year in
Speaker 2: just private school. And for us, I'm like, well, I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't afford. We can't afford thirty thousand dollars a
Speaker 2: year for private school. And the public school it's it's fine.
Speaker 2: So you know, you know, we're sending Julie to you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the public school in Nashville is amazing, so you
Speaker 2: know we're good there. But I mean, what's the Is
Speaker 2: there really a difference because people are paying for private school?
Speaker 2: I get and this is where I get where Jolie,
Speaker 2: what if here's the thing. I was a terrible test taker.
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't even take the SATs. I only took
Speaker 2: the acts. And I mean because I knew I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to college, but I did awful because I was
Speaker 2: a bad test taker. If my daughter was a bad
Speaker 2: test taker but she had the qualifications, yes, if you
Speaker 2: needed the score to be in the school, I would
Speaker 2: do anything for her. And I don't know, I guess
Speaker 2: that might make me a bad parent. But she has
Speaker 2: to sustain how she is now in that school then,
Speaker 2: so that's on her. Then if I get if I
Speaker 2: can get help her get her in, then it just
Speaker 2: like someone's gonna help someone to get into a film
Speaker 2: that they know somebody.
Speaker 1: I think the difference between this is though from what
Speaker 1: I read, it was like five hundred pages. I didn't
Speaker 1: read all five hundred, but like none of it was
Speaker 1: a lot of like, Okay, we need to ensure that
Speaker 1: my son doesn't find out. There was a situation where
Speaker 1: she was like the guy one of the Dad's emails,
Speaker 1: the main guy, and he was like, my son was
Speaker 1: just an orientation and they asked him how he feels
Speaker 1: about doing track and how excited he is, and he
Speaker 1: literally was like I'm not in track, Like what are
Speaker 1: you talking about?
Speaker 2: And so I think so then the dad people and
Speaker 2: Laurie too was said that her daughter was in the
Speaker 2: rowing crew Rowing Crew, and so I don't really necessarily
Speaker 2: agree with that side of them. This is the thing.
Speaker 1: These people have so much money. It's like, get a tutor,
Speaker 1: get this, get that. They can all afford it.
Speaker 2: But I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't blame the kids because I don't know if
Speaker 1: these kids were dying to go to that school as
Speaker 1: much as their parents were. I mean, these families were
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, it's like the parents
Speaker 1: really wanted them to.
Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent more for the parents to be
Speaker 5: like my son or daughter goes.
Speaker 1: To and I exactly exactly, but like one so though,
Speaker 1: because I did, I disagree, But if Jolie for me personally,
Speaker 1: I think if I don't care.
Speaker 2: I told you I don't care if Joli goes or not.
Speaker 2: And we've had major disagreements about that.
Speaker 5: She's going to college.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but if she chooses not to, I can't
Speaker 2: get upset with her because that's their life that.
Speaker 1: She's way more understanding than these like high exec families
Speaker 1: were like, oh no, you're going to Yale, especially.
Speaker 7: The people that have the money to that half a
Speaker 7: million dollars or a million dollars to spend to get
Speaker 7: their child into that school.
Speaker 5: It's so the parent.
Speaker 7: It is a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 7: their ego because they are high end execs that had
Speaker 7: that education or didn't have it and want to say
Speaker 7: that their kids have it. But also I'm not saying
Speaker 7: it's purely selfish based on the parents. It is all
Speaker 7: so like you said, honey, to get them in the door,
Speaker 7: like we do anything to get Joeli or jas their
Speaker 7: foot in the door. In the it's up to them
Speaker 7: to be able to maintain the grades, to stay at
Speaker 7: a Harvard or to stay at a Columbia or these
Speaker 7: schools that they're trying to get into.
Speaker 2: It's I will say, though, what bothers me about that
Speaker 2: is the kids that really work hard, and that's a mare.
Speaker 2: And that's where that's where that's the other side where.
Speaker 1: Quotes it was like, I forget which parents said it,
Speaker 1: but it's not funny.
Speaker 2: But but you're laughing.
Speaker 1: But I'm laughing no, because she goes, Okay, well, we
Speaker 1: just need to ensure that they get in here.
Speaker 2: We need to ensure that she gets into this school
Speaker 2: and not just ASU.
Speaker 1: I went to ASU, so obviously the old these parents,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean is the parents were like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're not going here, You're you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, what does it matter where the kid goes
Speaker 1: to school. The kid's gonna part, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: Ryan Seacrest was talking about it, you know, to bring
Speaker 2: up in My Heart Radio, you know, plug plug. But
Speaker 2: Ryan and Kelly were talking about it, and I agreed
Speaker 2: with Kelly when she said, no, I want my children
Speaker 2: to work for it. And that's the thing that's that's
Speaker 2: on the one side of the spectrum where I want
Speaker 2: Jolie and Jays to work for everything, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to just be like, oh, here, here's some money,
Speaker 2: pay it off. But having said that, if my child has,
Speaker 2: for example, Jolie has a speech delay, she's been yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we've been working with that with her. If
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to pay to get her to
Speaker 2: a better place, I would take you.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: But that's the argument is that, you know, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of kids too who had learning disabilities. So
Speaker 1: they had to go to a doctor, they had to
Speaker 1: get a note that they allow special time for their tests.
Speaker 2: So that's the argument is like, well, that's not fair.
Speaker 1: My child has a severe testing disability, but you're going
Speaker 1: to pay fifty.
Speaker 2: Grand so that he can do so. Kelly was saying
Speaker 2: something with the Kelly and Ryan Show. She was saying
Speaker 2: that that test is exhausting for the child. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean where it's just like that child with the disability,
Speaker 2: it takes so much out of them that they are
Speaker 2: physically exhausted. So sometimes it would be easier just to
Speaker 2: be like, here's the fifty k to But is that
Speaker 2: do you do you teach your children that that's hard?
Speaker 2: That's that's That's where I'm like, I would would you
Speaker 2: break the law for your child? Yes? Okay, then because
Speaker 2: I think that's the basic question.
Speaker 5: Well, again it depends.
Speaker 2: It depends. Yes, if someone hurt my child, I'd go
Speaker 2: probably to jail. Okay.
Speaker 1: But that and that's what the argument is, like these
Speaker 1: people didn't. It was like a selfish crime because most
Speaker 1: of these kids don't even know their parents did it.
Speaker 7: And the different the difference too, is it's different investing
Speaker 7: the money and paying to get additional help or expert
Speaker 7: expert help for your children. That's one thing, that's fine,
Speaker 7: But what they're doing is basically saying buying them an
Speaker 7: a or buying them a test grade or buying them
Speaker 7: admission into a school, which I don't think is right.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 7: One can say that if because of a high end exact,
Speaker 7: because of where they went to school and the alumni
Speaker 7: following and stuff like that, that maybe they know the
Speaker 7: person on the emissions board and they got in because
Speaker 7: of who you know. Well, that's just life in gener
Speaker 7: that's one thing. But paying to get into the front
Speaker 7: of the line.
Speaker 1: And I think it was the paying versus like the
Speaker 1: the intricate lying.
Speaker 2: It was like, let's photoshop our child to.
Speaker 7: Make them look well, yeah, in there going under the
Speaker 7: false pretense of them being a student athlete, which is
Speaker 7: taken away from opportunities for a student athlete.
Speaker 2: I agree with that who is.
Speaker 5: Trying to get it.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have gotten into JMU if it wasn't for football,
Speaker 7: of course, and I got a great education because of it.
Speaker 7: So there's a lot of kids that are athletes in
Speaker 7: high school that kind of bank on their their athleticism
Speaker 7: to get them into a school they probably wouldn't get
Speaker 7: into otherwise. So that's taken away, which is even harder
Speaker 7: for a student athlete to go to an ivy League
Speaker 7: school and stuff like that because the time, commitment and
Speaker 7: everything that you know, they have with sports along with
Speaker 7: the academic side. So to take that away from a
Speaker 7: student athlete who has two lives like that, that's even I.
Speaker 1: Think that's like the common consensus is that people are
Speaker 1: just really feeling for like, well, what about all the
Speaker 1: other kids?
Speaker 2: I feel for the actual kids because well, I mean,
Speaker 2: do you though, because ry Lafflin's daughter was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't on a yacht. Mom got arrested.
Speaker 1: If they don't know, I feel bad for them because,
Speaker 1: like I was very fortunate growing up, but like I
Speaker 1: never felt pressure. My whole family went to the University
Speaker 1: of Texas. I'm not getting in there. There was a
Speaker 1: zero percent chance. I think I took the SAT hungover.
Speaker 1: There was a zero percent chance that I was getting
Speaker 1: in there. And I but there was never any pressure
Speaker 1: from my day, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: feel for these kids being like there was obviously pressure.
Speaker 1: There was obviously something toward these parents.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If there was pressure then then that's
Speaker 2: not that's not cool. And I just want to go
Speaker 2: on because I'm sure I'll get a re all er
Speaker 2: bombarded for this. But for me, personally, No, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: give I wouldn't give, you know, money to do that
Speaker 2: kind of shame. But if I if I had the
Speaker 2: opportunity to pay to help my child to get better,
Speaker 2: I think it's place and I would now to go
Speaker 2: to those extents. I don't believe that I would do
Speaker 2: that because because the kid that works so hard in
Speaker 2: rowing that that lost a spot to you know, the
Speaker 2: kids that academically academically work so hard. But I will
Speaker 2: do whatever I can to make sure she has the
Speaker 2: best opportunity if for some reason she is still delayed
Speaker 2: and has those issues. It's just knowing that she can
Speaker 2: be in those schools and thrive in those school of course.
Speaker 1: And now these parents gave half a million dollars and
Speaker 1: now I don't know, but it's like some of their
Speaker 1: bails were so expected, like I just read this morning,
Speaker 1: their bails were so expensive. So it's like you really
Speaker 1: just ended up double fing yourself because you gave all
Speaker 1: this money and now you're getting caught and now you
Speaker 1: might do jail time, you might not.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing I mean, is jail time. What
Speaker 2: do you guys think about that? I mean, do you
Speaker 2: think that's something that they should go to jail for.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they know.
Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone really serves. I think the
Speaker 7: time it would be more about fines, community service, probationary
Speaker 7: stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it all depends on some of.
Speaker 1: Them are way more intensive because some of them it
Speaker 1: went into taxes because they gave so much money to
Speaker 1: a fake well.
Speaker 2: And time out. That's the good right there. What about
Speaker 2: the person that says, because I'm sure there is a
Speaker 2: ton of people that say, you know they have the money,
Speaker 2: I want my child to go to the school because
Speaker 2: they want to go to the school. They don't have
Speaker 2: the grades, but I will pay about this much to
Speaker 2: help with the your.
Speaker 5: Coverage, Oh boosters, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know that happens. What is the difference. Why aren't those
Speaker 2: people because those are the same people though, getting their
Speaker 2: child not an opportunity. It's not guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So you could give like a million dollars, donate a building,
Speaker 1: but it's not guarantee guaranteed that your child gets in.
Speaker 5: No, no, not directly.
Speaker 7: There's no way to paper legally attach you giving that
Speaker 7: money to your child getting We have a friend, it
Speaker 7: could be very coincidental, but the chances.
Speaker 2: Are not high.
Speaker 1: This was guaranteed. You're giving fifty thousand, you're giving.
Speaker 2: But the chances you said, are high if they if
Speaker 2: they boost.
Speaker 1: No, the chance you have to give like seven million
Speaker 1: in order to officially get them in. We have a
Speaker 1: a we know someone who gave a lot of money
Speaker 1: to a school and the children did knock it in
Speaker 1: and so they are now doing two years somewhere else
Speaker 1: and then they will transfer it transfer. So this was
Speaker 1: just a guaranteed every person. I think this guy said
Speaker 1: he did it nine hundred times. He got every kid in.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: He made twenty four million or something, this underground guy.
Speaker 1: So he's locked up.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing I would say he needs to have,
Speaker 2: Oh no.
Speaker 1: For sure, but he so he became an informant for
Speaker 1: the FBI like three years ago.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, so he that's how they have all this guys.
Speaker 1: It is like juicy, this is gonna be a movie,
Speaker 1: Like these email chains are like insane.
Speaker 2: So wait, so they they basically caught him and then
Speaker 2: said instead of having jail time.
Speaker 1: He's going to end up having it. But obviously it
Speaker 1: was like reduced. You know, we're like if you cooperate
Speaker 1: with us, because he he's been doing this for I forget.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna find out so many more people.
Speaker 1: The fifty are the ones since since he started working
Speaker 1: with the FBI. Wow, but he's been doing it, he said,
Speaker 1: nine hundred students.
Speaker 7: I will say, I can see where I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: you guys can attest this like when you go to
Speaker 7: a school, you really do like bleed those colors, right,
Speaker 7: like you are attached to it, right, So I.
Speaker 2: Mean like yes, yes, yes, right, so.
Speaker 7: Right, so there's just so much of you that it
Speaker 7: just gets like, you know, caught up in that atmosphere
Speaker 7: and want to follow your school. So I had a
Speaker 7: small taste of it just with my brother, with him
Speaker 7: deciding where to go to college, and my alma mater,
Speaker 7: James Madison, was kind of in the running for a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 5: And when since.
Speaker 2: Your dad went there, you went, dad went there.
Speaker 5: I went there.
Speaker 7: I just I you know, my brother grew up going
Speaker 7: to the games watching me play, and I will always
Speaker 7: bleed purple, and it's just one of those things, right. So,
Speaker 7: but even just my brother kind of going through that
Speaker 7: situation and him ultimately not choosing jmu because he had
Speaker 7: a better opportunity elsewhere. It's still kind of sat sour
Speaker 7: with me, Like I'm still kind of like like I
Speaker 7: really really want him to go to JMUT, you know,
Speaker 7: kind of.
Speaker 5: Like through my right well, so but I have to
Speaker 5: I have to.
Speaker 7: Kind of bite my tongue and realize what he wants,
Speaker 7: what's best for him, and put those feelings aside. So
Speaker 7: I can't even imagine with my own child being like,
Speaker 7: you know, so let's.
Speaker 2: Say Jolie actually does want to go, because I don't
Speaker 2: believe that those nine how many students there was, over
Speaker 2: like nine hundred, I think he said, I don't believe
Speaker 2: that those all of them didn't want to go to
Speaker 2: that college. I'm sure they're like, please like help me,
Speaker 2: you know, because I want to go to this college,
Speaker 2: like I really want to get in.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they probably they probably didn't think it was
Speaker 7: to the extent that he was doing. There's probably like
Speaker 7: your mom and dad's probably like, hey, this guy will
Speaker 7: help you get in to school. They probably didn't know that.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the emails said what do
Speaker 1: I tell my son because he's going to ask how
Speaker 1: did he get in? And the guy was like just
Speaker 1: let him know that you're really good friends with the
Speaker 1: athletic director. They said he would help. Like so the
Speaker 1: it's just so many lies, like very detailed lies that
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you guys are such.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could pull this off. Oh I
Speaker 1: totally could. I feel like you're so honest, like would
Speaker 1: you like you guys are gonna be such?
Speaker 2: But again, I want the best opportunity for her. That's
Speaker 2: why we have a speech therapist coming every Friday to
Speaker 2: make sure that she is, you know, because because she
Speaker 2: is delayed. And I would be mad at my parents
Speaker 2: if I found out this was them, see that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's got the baby someone. I would be mad
Speaker 2: at my parents.
Speaker 1: Because I would be like, first of all, you think
Speaker 1: I'm not f and dumb I needed help.
Speaker 2: But if you didn't get the highest score though, and
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't need help and you weren't a good
Speaker 2: test taker, I can see totally what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But now what if they're like in jail, I'd be
Speaker 1: like wtff, Like now you guys are leaving me because
Speaker 1: like you wanted me to go to the school, so
Speaker 1: like what like I would be mad at them and be.
Speaker 2: Like the like, but what if it's a school you
Speaker 2: really wanted to go into and that you did you
Speaker 2: did want the help, I would just be really sad.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I feel like, I'm sure the kids
Speaker 1: are feeling really guilty because I'm telling you, once you
Speaker 1: read these emails, it's so sticky that I'd be like
Speaker 1: my dad said, like what.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's two different personalities that there's some
Speaker 7: kids I probably don't give you damn.
Speaker 5: I think like that probably just.
Speaker 2: Like that was like a damn versus day I love you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's just sad. It's a little
Speaker 2: it's interesting hearing your perspective though, that is well because
Speaker 2: you don't have kids, and that's I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: in a bad way at all. It's just interesting to
Speaker 2: see that perspective because I never thought of it from
Speaker 2: how Joey would feel. I'm taking it as such a
Speaker 2: selfish way to be like I want the best for my.
Speaker 1: Child, and I'm just looking at it as like because
Speaker 1: I remember my dad being like, do you want to
Speaker 1: go to ut And I was like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like he could give five million dollars, But I
Speaker 1: remember him being like, do you want help?
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't. I don't really care.
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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you're the real deal face.
Speaker 2: I don't have any makeup bonds resting right now, so
Speaker 2: I'm feeling real nice right now.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciating like natural lessons more some times.
Speaker 3: Just like.
Speaker 2: I do. So I feel like I have the opposite
Speaker 2: of a hoarder because when I love moving, I love organizing,
Speaker 2: I love packing. So I know that's the weirdest thing,
Speaker 2: but I love getting rid of Sorry Easton, I just
Speaker 2: love it. I think it's the most freeing thing. And
Speaker 2: just being like I'm always like, get rid of it,
Speaker 2: give it away. I'm the same fellatus or like give
Speaker 2: it to a friend. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 5: Just think it.
Speaker 2: No, No, I just I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I think it's just it just you feel light afterwards.
Speaker 2: Let me say this about that. Okay, you're hired. Oh
Speaker 2: I was just I guess anytime my girlfriend and I
Speaker 2: are moving and I was like, oh, let me come
Speaker 2: over and help, like you know, purge and splurge and
Speaker 2: put it away impact.
Speaker 4: Like the people in America really love to just keep
Speaker 4: it neat and organized. Yeah yeah, yeah, congratulations.
Speaker 2: But isn't that bad though, too, isn't there Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: there's like two extremes of horder and then me where
Speaker 2: it's like just give it away and then you want
Speaker 2: nothing no nick knacks, no nothing.
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes let me just ask you, might you have
Speaker 4: a situation or a problem with perfectionism. Why do you
Speaker 4: look at me like that husband is looking at her?
Speaker 2: I don't think, so what do you think.
Speaker 5: A little bit?
Speaker 2: We're both on the spectrum really like with what though?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 5: Like things done the way you like them your way?
Speaker 2: I like that. I like things done.
Speaker 5: Timeline on your timeline.
Speaker 2: And if I said to Michael, so let's say this
Speaker 2: is you know, his water, I say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: sitting on the table. I said, hey, baby, will you
Speaker 2: put that away? And He'll go, I'm like no, oh no,
Speaker 2: A little bit like all the way away. So I
Speaker 2: guess that's where I am a little bit more like,
Speaker 2: let's place it in the proper place.
Speaker 4: Well, that immediately sounds to me, sounds to me like
Speaker 4: a great house to live in. I don't know, I'm
Speaker 4: ready to move in.
Speaker 2: So what do you think it is like with hoarders
Speaker 2: that they have that Is it the connection to the
Speaker 2: things or is it the memories or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of that. But what I really
Speaker 4: want you to think about is, Okay, wait a second here,
Speaker 4: Like an alcoholic perhaps, or someone who gambles, or someone
Speaker 4: who shops too much. You know, you don't have one
Speaker 4: reason why it all happens. If I said to someone
Speaker 4: who drank too much, why are you doing it? And
Speaker 4: then asked another person, they would have different answers. But
Speaker 4: the common theme is that I guess it really boils
Speaker 4: down to some trauma in you know, your past life,
Speaker 4: or the anxiety to deal with feelings. You know, all
Speaker 4: these feelings. So it's really what's underneath the clutter or
Speaker 4: underneath the horde on the Hoarder Show.
Speaker 7: How do you distinguish when it comes down to something
Speaker 7: that may be legitimately sentimental. Say Janna's brother texts the
Speaker 7: other day and talked about, you know that one box
Speaker 7: everyone has when they move, that's your high school yearbooks
Speaker 7: and stuff that you feel it's so nostalgic, But what
Speaker 7: are you really going to do with them? How do
Speaker 7: you distinguish, like what's truly important to keep and stuff
Speaker 7: like that. Maybe that may still be nostalgic, but it's like, okay,
Speaker 7: you can let that go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Michael, you mentioned something where you said one
Speaker 4: box of nostalgia stuff. You know, that's fine, that's normal.
Speaker 4: It should happen. These people have like but on our
Speaker 4: Hoarder show, it's an entire house of all of that
Speaker 4: because everything has a meaning to them. But if we're
Speaker 4: just talking about your listeners or viewers, what we want
Speaker 4: to say is, you know, use my five point value
Speaker 4: system in order to make a decision.
Speaker 2: And what is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a whole collection of Do you have
Speaker 4: a collection of anything? Either of you?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'll say I have that bag with
Speaker 2: all my high school like you said, yearbooks and albums
Speaker 2: and pictures. But again I haven't looked at it. And
Speaker 2: but it's for like Jolie, it's like show your kids, right,
Speaker 2: you look at your parents' stuff. Though my brother asked
Speaker 2: me that kind of when I go home, I like
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 1: My mom has a When my grandparents died, they kept
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and my mom was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I didn't he had letters my grandpa.
Speaker 2: She was like what, Like, yeah, some.
Speaker 4: Of those things are so adorable to go through at
Speaker 4: some point. But if you are questioning whether they keep Yeah,
Speaker 4: if you're somebody who keeps a whole bunch of tools
Speaker 4: in a garage, you know, then I want to say
Speaker 4: five point value system. Pick your favorite tool, which one
Speaker 4: is it? Show it to me. Okay, that's five, that's
Speaker 4: a five. Nothing else in here can be a five.
Speaker 4: Or maybe it's your favorite T shirt collection. Show me
Speaker 4: a five, the number one T shirt that's most exciting
Speaker 4: that you want to keep up your collection, and then
Speaker 4: you start going through all the other ones. Nothing else
Speaker 4: can be a five? Is it a four? Is it
Speaker 4: a three?
Speaker 2: Is it a two?
Speaker 5: Interesting?
Speaker 4: Is it a one? And you rate each item. So
Speaker 4: those items that rate one and two, the ones with
Speaker 4: the holes in the stains, maybe they go out and
Speaker 4: you keep the five and couple of the fours on
Speaker 4: that five point value system.
Speaker 2: Is that kind of the same thing too, Because I've
Speaker 2: with kids and we have a three year old and
Speaker 2: a three month old, and what we've kind of done
Speaker 2: is I've taken things like from Jolie that first year, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get rid of that one onesie
Speaker 2: that I loved of seeing her, you know, I want
Speaker 2: to be able to look back and be like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, we go little you were, you know, and
Speaker 2: give her some of these things, maybe for her kids.
Speaker 2: But how when is that too much? Too Do I
Speaker 2: have to use the five point with that, because I
Speaker 2: think everything is five because it's so sentimental. They're my kids, right,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Well, it comes to a point later on where see,
Speaker 4: you still might be at the point where you're accumulating things.
Speaker 4: There are three stages of getting organized or being organized,
Speaker 4: or collecting clutter. So the first stage is just getting
Speaker 4: our independence. We have our own style, our own way
Speaker 4: of designing and furniture, our own friends. We're collecting people, places, things,
Speaker 4: and then we go to the second stage where we
Speaker 4: have to manage all the crap that we just collected.
Speaker 4: And then the third stage is hopefully getting rid of
Speaker 4: the stuff. So you might still be in the first stage,
Speaker 4: where you're still in the collecting. The problem with the
Speaker 4: people on the Hoarder show on A and E is
Speaker 4: that they are forever in the collecting stage. So even
Speaker 4: if they're in their forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, they're
Speaker 4: still collecting and it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Can I ask?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, no, go ahead, bay, Oh go ahead, because mine's
Speaker 1: an easy question.
Speaker 5: I'll remember. Okay, be right, bad, I'm dying.
Speaker 2: Oh God, he's had the man called for like a month?
Speaker 2: What sorry? Uh? Age wise, do you see it primarily
Speaker 2: in older people or do you what's the age range
Speaker 2: that you see for hoarders?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so most people think it's just people in their
Speaker 4: older years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's kind of my thought. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: my grandparents probably or that age range sixteen up.
Speaker 4: And we see it more there because they don't have
Speaker 4: as many friends, they don't have as many family members
Speaker 4: coming to visit. People who are younger are people, you.
Speaker 7: Know, having people.
Speaker 4: We're having guests, so we're having kids. But we have
Speaker 4: a lot of folks who are younger who are in
Speaker 4: the hoarding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're hoarders. Do you start with sorry, Sarah? You know,
Speaker 2: do you start with inside first? Like inside, they're like,
Speaker 2: what's going on first with them? Before you touch their stuff?
Speaker 2: That's kind of like my question. I was just gonna
Speaker 2: be like, do you think there's something like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there is something.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I know you're going like, is there something going on
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 4: In the brain area? Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2: I don't have to work with that first before you say, okay,
Speaker 2: get rid of that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's two parts of it. I mean, there's the wiring.
Speaker 4: Some of us are just like your frontal lobe, Jenna,
Speaker 4: it is completely wired for organizing, and other people are not.
Speaker 4: But for those people who do hoard, yeah, there's something
Speaker 4: that's missing for them. And it could be the missing
Speaker 4: could be a person, it could be a job loss,
Speaker 4: it could be a major illness. You know, all of
Speaker 4: these things trigger some sort of anxiety that you just
Speaker 4: can't deal with.
Speaker 2: So it's like a form of anxiety basically can be
Speaker 2: But then walk over, there's stuff to get to their room.
Speaker 2: How does that not give them anxiety?
Speaker 4: No, that's comfort.
Speaker 2: That's give so much anxiety because we're like psycho, so
Speaker 2: we're like, I don't want anything. Some people can barely
Speaker 2: get to their room as much stuff they have, barely.
Speaker 4: Get in the door. I mean, we've had situations on
Speaker 4: The Hoarders Show where we can't even open the door.
Speaker 4: We were in New York City and a five story
Speaker 4: walk up and could not get in.
Speaker 2: It's not healthy, probably too, it's sanitary.
Speaker 7: Yeah, is there one? I'm sure everyone has something different
Speaker 7: that maybe they want to collect or hoard specifically, but
Speaker 7: there's there one universal kind of topic or concept that
Speaker 7: they like to hold on to across the board that
Speaker 7: people have an issue with. Is it stuff of nostalgia?
Speaker 7: Is it just their own collectible? Is there anything universal
Speaker 7: across the board for the people that you've seen.
Speaker 4: Yes, recycling really interesting. Yeah, Now this is where a
Speaker 4: lot of the people who are not hoarders get stuff
Speaker 4: as well, because we want to be good to the planet. Now,
Speaker 4: if you're a person who hoards, then you say, well,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to recycle. So i have all the plastic,
Speaker 4: i have all the paper, I have all the food,
Speaker 4: I have everything, and I'm keeping it to reuse it.
Speaker 4: And I've got a great idea to reuse it. Whether
Speaker 4: it's a boat in the backyard, whether it's goats in
Speaker 4: the backyard who have chewed their way through the house.
Speaker 4: Real true story from hoarders on an e really true
Speaker 4: that got chewed through the house into the house. It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what it is. There's a purpose. So if
Speaker 4: you feel like, Oh, you have a purpose for everything,
Speaker 4: You're going to hold on to a whole lot more.
Speaker 7: Is that what I feel like anytime I've seen the show,
Speaker 7: stacks of newspaper or stacks of paper like everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, stacks of paper everywhere, because there are
Speaker 4: great ideas that they when the printer is working, Michael,
Speaker 4: when it's working, just like the plumbing or the electricity
Speaker 4: if it's working, but when the printer's working, they print
Speaker 4: out all these documents on the how to to do something.
Speaker 4: They are definitely going to di I Wyatt and they're
Speaker 4: going to take care of it.
Speaker 2: What drew you to this lifestyle of helping others unhort Like,
Speaker 2: what does your house look like?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 2: Are are you the organized Nancy?
Speaker 4: You know you could come to. My house is really organized,
Speaker 4: and I'm married to somebody who's really really organized. So
Speaker 4: we get along really well and travel well together. But
Speaker 4: this dropped in my lap. Now, mind you, I tend
Speaker 4: to work with all of the celebrities here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: I'm really lucky, so I get to go in and
Speaker 4: organize beautiful homes. But most people just know me from
Speaker 4: the Hoarder Show, and so it dropped in my lap.
Speaker 4: There was this gentleman here in the Los Angeles area.
Speaker 4: He had five thousand bikes and bike parts inside his house.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and he was sleeping outside his house on
Speaker 4: a recliner chair. So he was going to jail. And
Speaker 4: that was like twenty years ago. And then the Hoarder
Speaker 4: shown me and I was on the pilot, and then
Speaker 4: I was a technical producer helping everybody learn how to
Speaker 4: deal with this hoarding situation.
Speaker 2: And now you're a best selling author and your current
Speaker 2: book is Stuff Your Face or Face Your Stuff. I
Speaker 2: love that. Yeah, that's a great title.
Speaker 4: You know what happened, don't you?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 4: So I was on the set of the Hoarder show
Speaker 4: and I had this realization at two hundred pounds that
Speaker 4: I was hoarding sugar and flour around my body the
Speaker 4: same way my clients a hoarding things in their house.
Speaker 4: And I thought, this has got to stop. So I
Speaker 4: took off seventy five pounds and wrote a book on
Speaker 4: how the parallels because I really feel like I identify
Speaker 4: with these people who can't stop bringing things in.
Speaker 2: That's so foud because at first you probably didn't identify
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, exactly, Like what introspection on your part
Speaker 2: to see that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a little embarrassing to share about.
Speaker 2: But now I think that's just makes people more.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's like a major correlation. It is like
Speaker 1: people over eating or hoarding food basically.
Speaker 4: Well, imagine when I'm if I'm overweight and someone comes
Speaker 4: in and wants to take away my just baked cookies
Speaker 4: and milk, how I'm going to field, Well, get your
Speaker 4: hands off my stuff? And so interesting how these people
Speaker 4: feel on The Hoarders Show with.
Speaker 2: Us, which is airs Tuesday at eight seven Central on
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Speaker 2: we're moving to Nashville and I just I got to
Speaker 2: figure out how we want to organize the closet. So
Speaker 2: what's like your biggest tip on that for closets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for closets, it's really how you like to organize it.
Speaker 4: So it's a customized solution. But are you a person
Speaker 4: who likes to organize by category or by color or
Speaker 4: by usefulness? Like does it need to go the dry cleaner?
Speaker 4: Do I need to have it mended? Do I have
Speaker 4: to have it ironed? Whatever these things are, or by
Speaker 4: days of the week if you have kids. So there's
Speaker 4: like ten different diferent families of these closet dividers that
Speaker 4: you can use to organize our closet.
Speaker 2: Where can our listeners? I mean, can could people hire
Speaker 2: you if they're in the LA area or are you
Speaker 2: kind of not available? Yes?
Speaker 4: I have my sister with me all over and it's
Speaker 4: not just the California.
Speaker 2: Could we fly you to Nashville?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we fly all over? Oh love Yeah, Japan, Australia,
Speaker 4: name it we go?
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh that would be fun. I love hired. Come done,
Speaker 2: Dorothy thinking. Where can our listeners find you? Then, Dorothy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, dorothythorganizer dot com And actually my show is coming
Speaker 4: up this Tuesday night on March nineteenth on A and
Speaker 4: E Love for Hoarders.
Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you so much, Dorothy coming, Thank you. I
Speaker 2: loved her. I did too. She was really sweet. Here's
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Speaker 5: What I hope it's a storage in it with just
Speaker 5: a mattress.
Speaker 2: No, I think there's just like a desk in there
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Speaker 9: Hey, love, Welcome to the welcome Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm Jana. This is my husband Michael, and this is Sarah.
Speaker 2: So we kind of talked about it last week's episode.
Speaker 2: Was it last week's episode? About two weeks? Two weeks? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Sarah, you texted me something really interesting. Do you
Speaker 2: want to share or no? Just literally, I'm never safe
Speaker 2: where we talk about. I don't even know what we talked about.
Speaker 2: You haven't talked about the scale about how I realized
Speaker 2: that I was that was something that I can control,
Speaker 2: was the number on the scale. So that became kind
Speaker 2: of my my thing.
Speaker 1: He basically said that, like it's your way of control.
Speaker 1: You can't control things, so you control the scale or something. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I kind of just came to realization where we
Speaker 1: were talking about, Like, you know, I wouldn't say I'm
Speaker 1: like addicted.
Speaker 2: Or but it's a control thing. Working out for me
Speaker 2: is a control thing.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like in other aspects of my life
Speaker 1: I might be not in control, and I'm a control freak,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of I was on the treadmill
Speaker 1: as I'm listening to this lady tell Jenna, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think that's my thing. Like I think I get
Speaker 1: cranky or I get like if I don't work out,
Speaker 1: it's like becomes a whole thing, and so I think
Speaker 1: that that might be my little way controlling it's my yeah,
Speaker 1: because like if I know, Okay, I went and I
Speaker 1: was on the treadmill for this long and you know, yeah.
Speaker 9: So I think same with the scale. Once it becomes
Speaker 9: obsessive and once it becomes something you can like, for example,
Speaker 9: if you can't work out in a day, if it
Speaker 9: bothers you so much where you don't even have an
Speaker 9: enjoyable day, then it's an issue.
Speaker 1: But then it's so I just feel good after because
Speaker 1: it's like that balance, you know, where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is it the endorphins or am I just like you know?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: So when you say issue though, is it an eating disorder?
Speaker 5: Issue?
Speaker 2: Like what is the category of in eating disorder?
Speaker 9: Great question? So there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 9: of different The spectrum is huge because I feel like
Speaker 9: majority of people have disordered eating with their either relationship
Speaker 9: with their body or relationship with food. The scale, there's
Speaker 9: so many different things this is such a hot topic
Speaker 9: because I mean, I've been working the eating disorder filled
Speaker 9: for eighteen years and I work at USC as a
Speaker 9: sports dietician there and I run a program for Healthy
Speaker 9: Body Imagine Eating, and I also work for the La Kings,
Speaker 9: So it's so interesting. I'm a very vast, you know,
Speaker 9: different way of looking at this from an athlete perspective
Speaker 9: of the obsession of exercising and looking a certain way
Speaker 9: to perform and then you have, you know, when you're
Speaker 9: done being an athlete, or just like my normal clients
Speaker 9: that I see in my private practice, they feel like
Speaker 9: if they're not controlling it, they're going to be out
Speaker 9: of control or they're not going to look the way
Speaker 9: they want to. So it's easier for them to get
Speaker 9: on a scale multiple times a day. It's easier for
Speaker 9: them to make sure they're working out, you know, to
Speaker 9: compensate for what if they had a cookie that day,
Speaker 9: so then it becomes unhealthy. So there's a there's a
Speaker 9: difference between I exercise because it makes me feel good,
Speaker 9: or I check my weight once in a while to see,
Speaker 9: you know, kind of what my body's doing.
Speaker 1: See, I don't have a scale, so that's what's weird
Speaker 1: because we're like the opposite in that, but you're still
Speaker 1: obsessive over something.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, oh yeah, so that's im Like, so that's like,
Speaker 2: that's why the same even then they're different. But it's not.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that you care about which you weigh.
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, there is something to be
Speaker 2: said when you're obsessed to work it because you do.
Speaker 2: You're not in a good mood when you don't work out.
Speaker 2: So so that's that is a problem.
Speaker 1: So again like and and here's so, but it's like
Speaker 1: I'll go eat, like it's.
Speaker 2: Not like time out. I'm going to call you out
Speaker 2: right now. Oh this is good, You're okay. We don't
Speaker 2: need together, Sarah. No, I asked you to eat and
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not eating right now. I'm not eating
Speaker 2: right now. Is a mild joke. That's not a joke though,
Speaker 2: because you literally would not eat. You said you you're
Speaker 2: you said that you'd have one meal a day. Okay,
Speaker 2: but that's a joke. It's not a joke because you
Speaker 2: actually but if.
Speaker 1: I was, look, it's not like I'm like skin embalm,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's die.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Think that for me, I would rather.
Speaker 5: For me.
Speaker 1: Right now, for me, I'd rather work out than not eat.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? But that's not healthy, right Exactly?
Speaker 2: You have to you have to have food to get
Speaker 2: your body to work out.
Speaker 1: That's what I said, Like I want, I like to eat,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But you don't, though you say you don't eat, like
Speaker 2: and I don't want to any food? But why why
Speaker 2: is no?
Speaker 1: Because I know no, because it's like a mood thing,
Speaker 1: Like I know that. Like sometimes I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just like cranky or like something's going on. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just like annoyed and I don't or
Speaker 1: mind when I'm unhappy, I don't have an appetite. So
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of someone who's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm eating my feelings. I'm the opposite, sure, And I
Speaker 1: found that out yours. I know that about me. I
Speaker 1: am someone who when I'm not in a good place,
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, I don't have an I don't
Speaker 1: feel good, but I'm not working out either, So.
Speaker 9: Right, and that that can happen, And that's good that
Speaker 9: you know that about yourself. I do know that, right,
Speaker 9: in terms of I mean exercise, what I would do
Speaker 9: is recommend you forcing yourself to have a day off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I definitely do a time, but I'm just
Speaker 1: like I wish I worked out, you know.
Speaker 9: And then just and do you have to sweat? That's
Speaker 9: the other thing too, because some people know, Okay.
Speaker 2: You can just go outside, go for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to sweat. I just have to
Speaker 1: be And also maybe it's like an ad D thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just have to be like going, going, moving and
Speaker 2: doing thing. Yeah, because that's weird. I don't have to sweat.
Speaker 2: So back to the kind of thing, like would you
Speaker 2: categorize that, like what is what is the window for
Speaker 2: what an eating disorder is?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 2: Would that be categorized as not necessary?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 9: I mean certainly the obsession is a problem, Like if
Speaker 9: it's taking away something for your life. For example, if
Speaker 9: you have to go pick up a friend at the
Speaker 9: airport and you're like, I don't know if I should
Speaker 9: because I have that exercise class that I have to
Speaker 9: go to. Like that's a lot of my clients that
Speaker 9: I see that they will like that trumps everything, like
Speaker 9: they won't do certain things because that's the time they
Speaker 9: work out, or if they don't work out, they really
Speaker 9: do obsess about it all day long and it really
Speaker 9: bothers them. That would be, you know, along the disordered
Speaker 9: type of mentality with I see, it's.
Speaker 1: More of like control. Yeah it's not there yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so now it's not there.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came on because I had a listener
Speaker 2: DM ME that was really upset about the last last
Speaker 2: podcast because they were very shocked how I could promote
Speaker 2: an unhealthy habit which I wasn't promoting it. Someone came
Speaker 2: on to promote their diet and I didn't agree with
Speaker 2: the diet, but you know, I couldn't. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to be rude. I didn't want to sit there and be like,
Speaker 2: well it's something I could never do that. But basically
Speaker 2: they said to not eat with than sixteen hours.
Speaker 8: Right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Kin it fasting? Yeah? And I just from your perspective,
Speaker 2: you know, because because this person had an eating it's like,
Speaker 2: how could you promote that to people that have I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not promoting that. You know, we have guests on
Speaker 2: that come on to promote their things, and you know,
Speaker 2: I never put like my stamp of approval on that
Speaker 2: because I don't agree with that, and that's something that
Speaker 2: I couldn't do. M hm. As from someone from the
Speaker 2: eating disorder background, you know, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 9: So definitely no one should be doing that if they've
Speaker 9: had an eating disorder or they have any kind of
Speaker 9: disordered way of thinking around food. I've had clients who've
Speaker 9: done that and are successful but have never had an
Speaker 9: eating disorder. They do it for other reasons, but I
Speaker 9: would agree with you. For the majority of people, that
Speaker 9: doesn't work for them at all. So if it becomes
Speaker 9: something that they again are obsessed with or already restrictive,
Speaker 9: this would just kind of add fuel to the fire.
Speaker 9: So I don't think it works for everybody, do I
Speaker 9: think it works for some people and they have success
Speaker 9: over Yes, but that's for people who probably are very
Speaker 9: of a weight, they have other health issues. Like if
Speaker 9: you look at the science of it, there is science
Speaker 9: behind it. So I'm not going to say that that
Speaker 9: it's not a good idea for a handful of people
Speaker 9: or for people who have a very different background than
Speaker 9: if somebody were, you know, to have an eating disorder
Speaker 9: or already in a restrictive way. Of thinking this would
Speaker 9: be something they would clearly stay away from.
Speaker 2: So what are science to look out for that if
Speaker 2: people are worried about maybe if they have this in
Speaker 2: eating disorder or not.
Speaker 9: Well that's a great question too, because I feel like
Speaker 9: this could be a whole another series, because I think
Speaker 9: majority of Los Angeles, I mean, when you talk to girls,
Speaker 9: what is a topic of conversation? Wait, they look, uh,
Speaker 9: oh my god, you looks so yeah, exactly, Oh my god.
Speaker 9: But I'm too right, So I think there is this
Speaker 9: obsession with it. And it's sad because I see a
Speaker 9: lot of young girls. So I also specialize in young
Speaker 9: kids that I come to my office, so eleven year old,
Speaker 9: twelve year old girls that I see, and I see
Speaker 9: boys as well, and obviously it starts at home. Majority
Speaker 9: of the time when I see kids, I'll talk to
Speaker 9: the mom or dad first and see what's going on.
Speaker 9: And I know you have a daughter as well, and
Speaker 9: it's quite what.
Speaker 2: Do we say that we don't shouldn't do?
Speaker 9: Because I mean, you think you can hide it from them,
Speaker 9: and you can't. So that's the first thing. So if
Speaker 9: you're eating, Like if I see a mom and she's
Speaker 9: like yes, but I'm you know, forty seven, and you
Speaker 9: know I can't eat carbohydrates like my daughter should. So
Speaker 9: I just eat you know, steam, spinach and eggs, and
Speaker 9: I just don't eat the carbs. But I always make
Speaker 9: her pasta. And I'm like, you don't understand. She's gonna
Speaker 9: watch you and do exactly what you do, even though
Speaker 9: you're telling her, no, you need them, honey, you're growing. No,
Speaker 9: So honestly you have to be really normal quote unquote
Speaker 9: with your food and body as well, if you say,
Speaker 9: just in passing, like oh these pants on me look
Speaker 9: so fat, or even though you don't think she's paying attention.
Speaker 9: It's so interesting all my clients when I start opening
Speaker 9: up and they start talking all the little snippeits that
Speaker 9: they get from you know, obviously social media and commercials
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. But we at home, so you
Speaker 9: even having a scale out at all is not a
Speaker 9: healthy thing, I would say.
Speaker 2: But the scale like the worst mom ever because what
Speaker 2: I'll like, weigh myself and then she's like, my turn,
Speaker 2: my turnue. I know, I know, but she's only done
Speaker 2: it like twice. But now I'm like, yeah, the two times,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I'm never letting her stuff
Speaker 2: on that ever gain because I don't want her to
Speaker 2: think that like she has to like weigh herself. So
Speaker 2: if just three.
Speaker 9: Okay, So if this gives you any kind of motivation
Speaker 9: to put the scale away and not do this, it's
Speaker 9: her for sure, because they will.
Speaker 2: Can I just hide it from her?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 2: I would just not. We should talk about it.
Speaker 9: Because I used to be exactly like that. In fact,
Speaker 9: I used to travel with the scale, like when you
Speaker 9: go on medication. Yeah yeah, yeah, So this is a
Speaker 9: whole like that could be another whole hour. We can
Speaker 9: just talk about about how crazy you can get. But
Speaker 9: when you ask me, like what are the signs to
Speaker 9: look for, it's when it starts to become where I
Speaker 9: have clients who are like, I'm not going to go
Speaker 9: to Cobbor on vacation because I don't feel good inn
Speaker 9: a swim soon, Like you're missing out on that time
Speaker 9: with your friends and that those memories because you don't
Speaker 9: feel good in a swim suit. That's sad. When you're
Speaker 9: sitting there calculating your calories and your macros and it
Speaker 9: becomes like the first thing you think about when you
Speaker 9: get up and the last thing you think about before
Speaker 9: you go to bed.
Speaker 2: Well, so what if it's what if that person just
Speaker 2: wants to lose weight though.
Speaker 9: But there's so many ways to do it that are
Speaker 9: colors that you don't have to count, calories. Your guess
Speaker 9: that you had on when you did talk about the scale,
Speaker 9: I really liked her. I felt like she had exactly
Speaker 9: what I promote to, which is the hunger scale. And
Speaker 9: really there's things that will always stay true, which is
Speaker 9: if you eat when you're hungry and you stop when
Speaker 9: you're satisfied, You exercise a good amount of time, maybe
Speaker 9: five days a week for.
Speaker 2: A good hour, and you do I don't have time
Speaker 2: to do that. No, five days a week, five days a week.
Speaker 9: Four to five times a week. Oh, but you don't
Speaker 9: exercise like four to five. You don't move your body.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got two kids.
Speaker 9: I don't know how well that's moving your body. But
Speaker 9: that's you're probably busy with them. It's like it's just
Speaker 9: not sitting here or like you're doing right now on
Speaker 9: a date, like you have to be moving. That's probably
Speaker 9: a better way of saying it, all right, And then
Speaker 9: you have to watch your stress and you need to
Speaker 9: be sleeping and drinking water. About those things, that's totally fine. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean not every day. I mean you can one
Speaker 9: glass is fine. But when you ask me about like
Speaker 9: how do people control their weight in a healthy way,
Speaker 9: that's that's the key. Listening to their body, regular exercise,
Speaker 9: drinking lots of water, ideally, learning how to deal with
Speaker 9: stress like meditation and sleep and and just surround yourself
Speaker 9: with good energy. And honestly, those are the keys.
Speaker 7: What have you seen you work with a lot of
Speaker 7: collegiate professional athletes? Right it was a former I played in.
Speaker 5: The NFL for a while.
Speaker 7: Awesome, And what have you seen have you dealt with
Speaker 7: many athletes kind of transitioning from sport into kind of
Speaker 7: quote unquote normal real life.
Speaker 5: And yes, I've had a struggle.
Speaker 7: It's not as much now, but especially when I first
Speaker 7: retired or I was eating the same but obviously I'm
Speaker 7: not burning the same amount of calories. Like what kind
Speaker 7: of tips or tricks or advice do you have, Like
Speaker 7: even now I still have a struggle with it, but
Speaker 7: just kind of for those former athletes kind of transitioning
Speaker 7: into you know, a normal day life where you're not
Speaker 7: doing it. You can't eat the same amount of quarts
Speaker 7: and protein over and over and over again, Like what
Speaker 7: are That's.
Speaker 9: A great question. So we before all of our athletes leave,
Speaker 9: so our senior athletes, we have this huge basically seminar
Speaker 9: where they understand how to how to cook. So I
Speaker 9: teach cooking classes, grocery shopping skills like what are you
Speaker 9: looking for? You know, how to make easy quick meals,
Speaker 9: and then really learning to readjust listening to their body.
Speaker 9: So there's still conditioned to eat a certain way. So
Speaker 9: it's a habit, right because they're exercising and burning so
Speaker 9: many calories. So we really sit down and try to
Speaker 9: help them figure this out, which is you need to
Speaker 9: not stop thinking that you can just get away with
Speaker 9: eating multiple like cheeseburgers and French fries, are eating late
Speaker 9: at night because you're gonna go burn it off next
Speaker 9: morning in weights and in practice or whatever. So it's
Speaker 9: psychological first, you know, realizing that, okay, you're not going
Speaker 9: to have as much output, so here's what you need
Speaker 9: to do, and you need to make sure you're planning ahead.
Speaker 9: So those are the kind of people that for sure
Speaker 9: when they're getting into the work life that they need
Speaker 9: to batch cook and I teach them sort of how
Speaker 9: to do that. So how do you have things in
Speaker 9: the refrigerator that you can take to work? And then
Speaker 9: you need to be eating instead of eating a lot
Speaker 9: of carbohydrates. So it's the flip. It's like, instead of
Speaker 9: the add those extra carbohydrates, you add in more vegetables.
Speaker 9: So more vegetables, moderate carb moderate protein versus a good
Speaker 9: And we have plates that I show them so they
Speaker 9: can get a good visual of, like, Okay, here's what
Speaker 9: your plate looks like. Now here's what it needs to
Speaker 9: look like as you transition. But there needs to be
Speaker 9: a conversation because as you can see, a lot of
Speaker 9: people who are either get injured or who leave their
Speaker 9: sport have a lot of weight issues that leads to depression,
Speaker 9: that leads to heart issues and cholesterol and other you know,
Speaker 9: kind of disastrous things that can happen. So there's a
Speaker 9: huge amount of education that we give to our athletes
Speaker 9: about that.
Speaker 7: That's great, especially for seniors going off into the real
Speaker 7: world and even I mean, but that's the thing athletes,
Speaker 7: you know, even in college and then in a professional level,
Speaker 7: your meals are basically provided for you exactly, So even
Speaker 7: when I left the NFL. It's like, all right, I
Speaker 7: could cook a little bit, but proportionally and it's hard
Speaker 7: to cook for one person at the time. And I
Speaker 7: was still eating the same thing. I was still eating
Speaker 7: a lot of carbs and pastas and meats and all
Speaker 7: that all the time. Where it's i mean our first
Speaker 7: like a year and a half together, I'll still like
Speaker 7: my plane weight, and I was like, there's no reason
Speaker 7: for me to be two hundred and fifty pounds right right.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was brutal.
Speaker 9: And that's another thing too. That's the skill too for
Speaker 9: athletes versus a non athlete. I will tell you one
Speaker 9: of the biggest issues is eating slower. So my athletes
Speaker 9: because they have to get to classed or they have
Speaker 9: to like they're shoving food in.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 9: So when they learn how to transition, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: I want you to act.
Speaker 2: With our two kids. I'm like, I'm trying to feed
Speaker 2: and like, he'll have a couple of bites. I'm feeding Jason,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, then he's like, I'll take so
Speaker 2: you can have a couple of bites because you know,
Speaker 2: it just always falls at the same time. And then Jolie,
Speaker 2: I'm like, sit down, sit like a big girl, eat
Speaker 2: your food. No, Jolie, don't put your hands and use
Speaker 2: your fork like like then I'm like shoving. And then
Speaker 2: I don't even remember how it tasted, souse. I just
Speaker 2: ate it so fast. That is a constant, very hard.
Speaker 9: I have two kids as well. I mean, it's very difficult.
Speaker 9: The transition of of now athletes, non athlete to then parents.
Speaker 9: That's like a whole another thing. It is challenging. But
Speaker 9: I would say, you know, at least you have a
Speaker 9: plate of food, don't be standing. So I have what's
Speaker 9: called Christy's rules, which are really interesting, Like one is
Speaker 9: no standing and eating.
Speaker 2: But that's like my life and so too. And I
Speaker 2: don't even have kids, and I stand when you're gone,
Speaker 2: I do, like when we're not, when we don't have
Speaker 2: family dinners, I stand. But I get the.
Speaker 9: Whole thing of trying to balance, you know, one kid
Speaker 9: on your lap and trying to eat and that kind
Speaker 9: of thing. Try to be as mindful as you can.
Speaker 9: It's not going to be perfect, and you've got to
Speaker 9: give your some some grace and that those moments are
Speaker 9: just like it is what it is. But when you
Speaker 9: have the time, and you can sit and you can
Speaker 9: just relax, to not try to be distracted by your
Speaker 9: phone or anything else, but to really just that's.
Speaker 2: A great master. We have to what's the worst food
Speaker 2: that you can that's a proper the worst food. What's
Speaker 2: the worst thing you can put in your body?
Speaker 9: There is nothing like that, No such thing. That is
Speaker 9: my firm belief.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you.
Speaker 9: I'll tell you why. Esla doesn't make somebody healthy, and
Speaker 9: a cheeseburger is not going to make somebody unhealthy. Right,
Speaker 9: So whether you go to a fair, yeah exactly. I
Speaker 9: think people get so like, oh my god, that has
Speaker 9: carriageane in it, or it has whatever, And I was like,
Speaker 9: so what. So the reality is when I'm at you know,
Speaker 9: when I go to Disneyland and my kids want to
Speaker 9: eat some whatever caramel apple, I know that it's not
Speaker 9: made with the best ingredients, but I'm gonna eat it
Speaker 9: because it's fun and I'm with them, and I want
Speaker 9: to be just like, let go. For the majority of
Speaker 9: the time, I might eat really healthy and clean, and
Speaker 9: some of the time I eat things that are just
Speaker 9: because So there's not one food that's going to make
Speaker 9: you unhealthy, just like there's not one food that's going
Speaker 9: to make you healthy. It's really about the balance between
Speaker 9: the two, honestly.
Speaker 2: Moderation like moderation. What about for Jolie though, So my
Speaker 2: fear is and I don't ever want to portray this
Speaker 2: on her, but what if? Because I don't because childhood
Speaker 2: obesity is a real thing for a real thing, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the super strict mom where
Speaker 2: she's so tightened about her weight. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I don't want her to be obese. Yeah, either, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the balance that I walk without
Speaker 2: making her feel like she has to be thin? But
Speaker 2: also so I don't know how to walk.
Speaker 9: It's great, it's a great question. And I love this
Speaker 9: topic because I think kids right now are so confused
Speaker 9: because either they're getting these mixed messages or they have
Speaker 9: parents that So I go into my kids class is
Speaker 9: fourth grade class, and I teach a weekly. They really
Speaker 9: need to be educated, that's the bottom line. You have
Speaker 9: to educate them. You have to help them move and
Speaker 9: not to shame them about eating sugar. But just like
Speaker 9: with my kids, it's like when they're hungry when they
Speaker 9: come home, I have a plate of fresh vegetables, some fruit,
Speaker 9: maybe some almonds, instead of like, oh, you want another
Speaker 9: bag of pirates spooty, Oh you want another thing of goldfish.
Speaker 2: Like it is pirates booty back. No, not at all,
Speaker 2: but go to no.
Speaker 9: But I'm just saying, like, when you have those opportunities
Speaker 9: and they're hungry, that's the best way to get some
Speaker 9: fruits and vegetables in them because they're hungry. So it's
Speaker 9: trying to just give them. It's like, you know, let's
Speaker 9: start with fruits and vegetables first, and then yeah, if
Speaker 9: you want pirates spooty or goldfish or whatever it is.
Speaker 9: But I feel like taking you don't want to also
Speaker 9: oversnack them, And I think that's a big problem. And
Speaker 9: I'll always ask my kids like are you physically hungry
Speaker 9: or you just want to eat because you're watching something
Speaker 9: or because you you know. So it's just those types
Speaker 9: of little bits of education or wandering into the kitchen
Speaker 9: and starting to go in the pantry and start eating
Speaker 9: something like no, put it on a plate, let's go
Speaker 9: sit down, eat your snack, and then move on. So
Speaker 9: just developing those kinds of good habits once in a while,
Speaker 9: I'll let them eat, you know, on the couch, but
Speaker 9: really making the table a place where they eat their
Speaker 9: food and their snacks and then moving on to play
Speaker 9: whatever versus like foods all over the post, you know
Speaker 9: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So well, thank you so much for coming in. We
Speaker 2: really appreciate. I love all the insight that you gave
Speaker 2: us and our listeners. Where can I where can they
Speaker 2: find you?
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. It's at kmsports nutrition dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, great, thanks so much. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. What's wrong?
Speaker 2: It's gone up? Oh I did didn't I know, but
Speaker 2: I just you know, no, it's not it's not anything
Speaker 2: like Michael. Michael is all excited about them. He was,
Speaker 2: but I just you know, we had a specialist here.
Speaker 2: She's amazing. And and when you say you don't eat,
Speaker 2: oh my god, ie roll Okay, well, I love't going
Speaker 2: to care about it. And it was invention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nothing. I didn't all like, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that things, you know what the whatever,
Speaker 1: you love me, I'm going to work out after this.
Speaker 1: Of course, I loved her and I love her. She
Speaker 1: basically because I figured she'd say like a preservative is
Speaker 1: bad for you or something, you know. I I agree
Speaker 1: with that. I'm I'm like, Okay, this cookie's not going
Speaker 1: to kill you, know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I like, I love it.
Speaker 5: Because I'm a big believer and everything's okay and moderate exactly.
Speaker 2: That's why I.
Speaker 7: Love that, because everyone freaks out so much. This is
Speaker 7: going to cause cancer, This is going to cause cancer.
Speaker 2: Well well okay, maybe I'm a little life is.
Speaker 5: Going to cause can Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you, though.
Speaker 1: It's like anything, everything a moderation in life in general.
Speaker 2: We definitely want to have Christie back though. So if
Speaker 2: you guys have any questions around eating, nutrition, health, please
Speaker 2: email us at wind Down at iHeartRadio dot com. And
Speaker 2: that's wine. W H I n E all right, so
Speaker 2: bless you, Tori. So I I kind of want to
Speaker 2: wrap up the college conversation that we talked about earlier,
Speaker 2: but I want to wrap it up with my girlfriend Leslie.
Speaker 2: She's been on the podcast before and she has her
Speaker 2: take on it. Leslie there boo, yeah, huh Hi. So
Speaker 2: we were kind of to obviously, we texted a little
Speaker 2: bit about this yesterday, and you know, Sarah has kind
Speaker 2: of her opinion from the kid's side about how she
Speaker 2: would be upset with her parents if, if you know her,
Speaker 2: her parents paid for them. And then I'm kind of
Speaker 2: on the side where, you know, I would do anything
Speaker 2: for my child, you know, although I feel bad for
Speaker 2: the kid that is working so hard to get there,
Speaker 2: and but I'm but I'm also torn. So I'm just
Speaker 2: kind of curious from another mom's perspective, what your thoughts
Speaker 2: are on it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, so this is like not in the you know,
Speaker 8: this is not far off for us. Sean's going to
Speaker 8: be there in three years, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 8: I guess from a pure parent standpoint, I want the
Speaker 8: best for my kids. I just I just do I
Speaker 8: want I want the best of everything. And I can
Speaker 8: see how somebody would be motivated. I can see how
Speaker 8: my parent would be motivated to give their kid that
Speaker 8: extra edge. Now I'm not saying it's right, but I'm
Speaker 8: saying I totally see the motivation and I get it.
Speaker 7: I'm there now, Leslie.
Speaker 5: What if.
Speaker 7: I feel like there's two sets of motivation. There's one
Speaker 7: is like you're saying you want the best of your kid.
Speaker 7: The second the second is with some of these people
Speaker 7: being whether it's celebrity or high end executives where their
Speaker 7: motivation could be they just want to be able to
Speaker 7: say that their child goes to the ivy V school
Speaker 7: or goes to their alma mater because they couldn't get in. Like,
Speaker 7: do you think there's a big difference in you know,
Speaker 7: which motivation is better? Doesn't really matter because they're still
Speaker 7: doing the same action to get them in.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think my motivation is better.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 8: Wanting the best for my kid is better than being
Speaker 8: able to say, well, my kid went to Harvard. I
Speaker 8: don't that's That's not what I'm in it for, you know,
Speaker 8: Like my motivation is to make sure that Sean and
Speaker 8: Drew get the best possible that they can in life.
Speaker 2: And you feel bad for the kid that has worked
Speaker 2: his butt off that doesn't have the money that would
Speaker 2: be taking that kid's your kids spot. Okay, I do
Speaker 2: what my quife?
Speaker 1: Hi, Sarah, my question or like my argument is, okay,
Speaker 1: so you know that this is illegal and you know
Speaker 1: there's a chance, just don't aren't you thinking big picture
Speaker 1: for your kids? Like, Okay, I might go to jail
Speaker 1: because I did this, So you're hurting your child at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, because what if your child
Speaker 1: goes a year, even if your child goes six months
Speaker 1: without a parent because you're in prison allegedly, you know
Speaker 1: what I.
Speaker 7: Mean, Like, no one, But how often do people think
Speaker 7: that far ahead when the consequences of their actions?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 8: Well, so you know, here, here's the thing though, Like
Speaker 8: I would kill somebody for my kid. I would totally
Speaker 8: go to jail for that, and I have no problem
Speaker 8: with it. I would.
Speaker 5: I just I would.
Speaker 8: That's the whole Well that seems.
Speaker 1: There, like I feel like I would beat someone up
Speaker 1: for you know what. I get that part, But this
Speaker 1: is such like a it's almo. It's not funny, but
Speaker 1: it's almost just like what, like you spent a million
Speaker 1: dollars so that your child could go to another I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Is that necessary? I think I think at home? I
Speaker 2: mean maybe not, I don't know, but maybe you might
Speaker 2: have a different I mean, no, I get that everyone.
Speaker 1: I would do everything for my kid. I get that that.
Speaker 1: I understand. I would kill someone for tie.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: I get that, But you're just saying to tie it here,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, like, because I don't have a child,
Speaker 1: so he's the next closes. So I get that, but
Speaker 1: like I I don't what I don't understand I would
Speaker 1: be if my mom went to jail, I would I
Speaker 1: wouldn't recover.
Speaker 7: See, I think you're able to see the back end
Speaker 7: of it because you don't have a kid. So you're
Speaker 7: thinking of I'm putting my whole picture as a parent,
Speaker 7: you're thinking of like right now, because you wouldn't do
Speaker 7: it the best of your kid right now, you're not
Speaker 7: thinking of what can possibly happen.
Speaker 1: This is not going to be a popular opinion. But
Speaker 1: does college really matter that much?
Speaker 2: I didn't at school. I didn't know what school my
Speaker 2: child that's going to college? But what school does that?
Speaker 5: Does that?
Speaker 2: What child says no though, then that's fine. But I
Speaker 2: think Yale does really matter or that that's because people
Speaker 2: will get better jobs, right if they go to that?
Speaker 2: But are going to fly.
Speaker 1: One of the alleged had like a two point three
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you have a two point
Speaker 1: three gpa. But now you got into so and so
Speaker 1: you're not you're not graduating well.
Speaker 8: But Sarah, to your point, So there's a kid from
Speaker 8: my hometown right now who's got a one point seven
Speaker 8: and he's going to Notre Dame on football scholarships.
Speaker 1: Well that's well, that's but that makes sense because they're athletes.
Speaker 1: These people are fake athletes, so they're not.
Speaker 8: He doesn't belong, but he doesn't belong.
Speaker 7: Well that's that's kind of That was My whole thing
Speaker 7: that we were talking about earlier was that the whole
Speaker 7: issue with this whole scenario is that he was this
Speaker 7: guy was taking scholarship like student athlete scholarships. So like
Speaker 7: I was telling Sarah and everyone in here is I
Speaker 7: wouldn't have gotten into JMU if it wasn't for football.
Speaker 7: So these kids, they're taking scholarships away from kids that
Speaker 7: really needed even more because that's the only way they're
Speaker 7: going to be able to get the education that they
Speaker 7: want to get by using their athletic skills.
Speaker 8: The kid I don't think did these kids get scholarships.
Speaker 8: The one who was supposedly on the crew team, I
Speaker 8: don't think she got a scholarship. It just got her
Speaker 8: application bumps. Yeah, I don't think she was given any
Speaker 8: scholarship dollars.
Speaker 2: No, she wasn't given money, but I think it takes
Speaker 2: a spot.
Speaker 5: It's still a student athlete spot.
Speaker 2: Mark your ear, because I didn't get.
Speaker 5: A scholarship coming out of college.
Speaker 1: I was a walk on, but it was still a
Speaker 1: student taking.
Speaker 5: There was still a student athlete spot.
Speaker 7: The reason I got in was because of athletics, so
Speaker 7: they still went under They got into that school under
Speaker 7: the false pretense of them being a student athlete.
Speaker 5: I have a lot of thoughts on this.
Speaker 10: When I first heard that this all coming out, my
Speaker 10: thought was, of course, I would do anything for my kid,
Speaker 10: and I would never think I would go to jail
Speaker 10: for get that. But but then when I hear about, Okay,
Speaker 10: so here's how we're going to We're going to pretend
Speaker 10: your child is learning disabled so they can get longer
Speaker 10: to do their SAT, and then they're going to change
Speaker 10: their score anyway. That's when I would have really pulled
Speaker 10: the ripcord at that point, because then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 10: that's this. Now this feels wrong in CD. But as
Speaker 10: far as worrying about who's going I want to jail,
Speaker 10: I would never have considered that because you never hear
Speaker 10: about it. You never hear about these parents going as
Speaker 10: for what they do and why didn't they just give
Speaker 10: them money to the university and pay for a wing
Speaker 10: of a library or something.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I talked about. Earls, you have bars.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's that's another that's a good point. Someone
Speaker 8: asked me yesterday. So how you know it's different than
Speaker 8: if someone buys a wings for Harvard and gets their
Speaker 8: kid in. You know, I don't. So now it's just
Speaker 8: above board. You're still buying your kids way into college.
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee, I think, which is the problem. And
Speaker 1: this man was one hundred percent. I even read his quote.
Speaker 1: He was like, in nine hundred, this in nine hundred students, Like,
Speaker 1: I've one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Uh guarantee that guarantee. Wow, So like you have to.
Speaker 5: Give he's been in a thousand.
Speaker 1: Allegedly you have to give like five million plus to
Speaker 1: ensure that your child, like I mean five million plus,
Speaker 1: like to a building or a library or or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like these people were.
Speaker 1: Just not that it's not that much, but they were giving,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen twenty FIFTI.
Speaker 10: Yeah, what's frustrating is it's never been a level playing
Speaker 10: field for everybody that's.
Speaker 2: With your song. You have to you have to do
Speaker 2: you know, payola and all those things. And now you
Speaker 2: can't do Paola, but now it's like you need to
Speaker 2: do these many things and do this in order to
Speaker 2: have your one song played so lately, or it's like hey,
Speaker 2: in the acting world, it's like, well, my my, you know,
Speaker 2: my dad is this person and so I'm going to
Speaker 2: get in this movie because he knows this person. Or
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the freaking difference?
Speaker 10: Right, it's all who you know. Wealth gets your privileged
Speaker 10: in so many ways. It's never been an even playing field,
Speaker 10: and then they're still gaming this system on top of
Speaker 10: the uneven playing field.
Speaker 1: Or it's like you already have an advantage, like these
Speaker 1: people already have. I think that if I think that
Speaker 1: if we found out it was different families doing this,
Speaker 1: we might feel different.
Speaker 7: The thing is too, if you if your family was
Speaker 7: in that position once you want to use utilize your
Speaker 7: resources and maximize them as much as you could. Anyone would. Yeah,
Speaker 7: just like anything you get a job, it's about who
Speaker 7: you know and what you know.
Speaker 1: No, that's I get it. I'm like, I just mostly
Speaker 1: I just feel bad for these kids. I know.
Speaker 2: That's what would you think Drew or Shawn would feel, Leslie.
Speaker 3: If we did that for them and got caught if
Speaker 3: they not not not if you got not even that
Speaker 3: you guys got caught, but they found out that you
Speaker 3: guys did that for them to get in.
Speaker 5: Do you think they would feel the.
Speaker 2: Way that Sarah is saying like that, You like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't think I'm smart enough to get in there?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I know Sean, and he'd be pissed,
Speaker 8: you'd be pissed.
Speaker 2: I think he'd probably likes me, okay, And I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's how half of them are.
Speaker 1: Half of them probably care, and half of them probably don't.
Speaker 1: But now it's just the embarrassing. I mean, now it's
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed. You know these kids are not yet.
Speaker 8: Now it's embarrassing. No, you're absolutely right, Barah.
Speaker 2: There's no way these kids can show up for class today.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because now now all the other kids look at it.
Speaker 7: I want off to get in here, paid to get
Speaker 7: in here, like get out of it.
Speaker 2: But by what you guys.
Speaker 8: One girl, the girl who got into USC, she is
Speaker 8: on her YouTube channel saying, yeah, I don't know how
Speaker 8: often I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Go to class. Yeah that's yeah, that's that's Laura Laughlin's daughter.
Speaker 2: That one kind of like you know she's again partying
Speaker 2: up on a yacht. So that's what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: that I watched the funny thing. She was like, you
Speaker 2: people are.
Speaker 1: Doing this for usc like like.
Speaker 10: But the thing is they're not doing it for their kids.
Speaker 10: They're doing it for themselves.
Speaker 2: That's what I said, thank you.
Speaker 5: That's maybe.
Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking to you, like again, like if
Speaker 2: Jolie came to if your daughter came to and said, Mom,
Speaker 2: I really want but I just don't, I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: let me let me see what I can do, because
Speaker 2: I want what I want the best for her. If
Speaker 2: that's what she wants to go, I would why.
Speaker 10: But the question is why is because she wants that
Speaker 10: great education? Okay, maybe, but it's because my friends are
Speaker 10: going there. They have the best, it's best social stops,
Speaker 10: looks so good on Instagram. Because that's Olivia Jade person.
Speaker 10: I guarantee you she has different motivations.
Speaker 5: I mean, but there are.
Speaker 7: Some kids that are young enough, that are insightful at
Speaker 7: a young age that want to go to a certain
Speaker 7: school because of the education. So if that was the
Speaker 7: case with any of.
Speaker 4: Our kids, but it's just like life.
Speaker 2: It's like you're not, like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It just is like a life's not fair.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's just like I mean, I
Speaker 1: got rejected. I don't know it just like teaches. I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's what they want to teach their kids.
Speaker 10: Like we try to shield our kids from all failure,
Speaker 10: and now it's kind of become all negative experiences of
Speaker 10: any kind.
Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it, yes, but then also too, you
Speaker 2: know what I've kind of experienced with Jolie is you
Speaker 2: know she's people are being so mean to her. Even
Speaker 2: there was a comment on our podcast saying, why don't
Speaker 2: you pay attention to your daughter? She's three years old
Speaker 2: and acting like one like she has a speech and
Speaker 2: she has she has speech to like, yes, I haven't
Speaker 2: been public about that because I'm like, but she's three
Speaker 2: and we have a speech therapist coming over. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: but now you're like bullying my child. So now it's
Speaker 2: now I don't feel like I'm a good I'm like
Speaker 2: when I I feel like I've failed my daughter somehow?
Speaker 2: Did I not? You know, I don't know, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I want her to have the best chances of doing
Speaker 2: good in school, so I would pay anything to make
Speaker 2: sure that she's not being bullied and she's going to
Speaker 2: be properly educated. And I had a.
Speaker 8: Rough mom day yesterday. And it's in the grand scheme
Speaker 8: of things, I'm not going to go into details, but
Speaker 8: in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal.
Speaker 8: But for me, it felt like a total parenting fail
Speaker 8: because it was something that I was doing that was
Speaker 8: enabling behavior and when I got called out on it,
Speaker 8: and called out isn't really the right word. When it
Speaker 8: was brought to my attention, I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 8: that's that's all. Sorry, that's all me. That's me, Like
Speaker 8: I did that.
Speaker 2: I feel like, but what about when like Sean didn't
Speaker 2: make the soccer team, Like, did you feel would you.
Speaker 8: Have oh my gosh, would you.
Speaker 4: Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Well like, yeah, would you have paid the coach to
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I want him on the team. But
Speaker 2: it's the same thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I would you know, I wouldn't. And I'm
Speaker 8: not saying that I would that I would pay to
Speaker 8: get him into Harvard or Yale. I'm not saying that
Speaker 8: I would do that. I'm saying I can totally see
Speaker 8: the motivation. Would I love to talk to the coach
Speaker 8: and say, hey, dude, like you missed a really good player,
Speaker 8: like he's a strong player. Yes, I would love to.
Speaker 8: And I and the coach even wrote an email and said, hey,
Speaker 8: if you want to know what he needs to work on,
Speaker 8: feel free to reach out. And I was so close
Speaker 8: to doing it, and I thought, you know what, I'm
Speaker 8: not because Sean needs to own that. If Sean wants
Speaker 8: to know why he didn't make the team, he needs
Speaker 8: to own that. But I'm not going to say that
Speaker 8: I didn't sit down and craft an email and then
Speaker 8: delete it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my heart would be broken though. If
Speaker 2: Jolie auditioned for something or tried out for something and
Speaker 2: didn't get it, I would be balling for her.
Speaker 7: But I would never I would never address the teacher
Speaker 7: of the coach because there's never been a kid that
Speaker 7: has gotten the spot on a team because a parent
Speaker 7: went after the fact and talk.
Speaker 5: To a coach or talk to.
Speaker 2: Are you to be so upset if Julie tries out
Speaker 2: for let's say she tries out for soccer and doesn't
Speaker 2: make the soccer team.
Speaker 5: Absolutely it'll suck. I'll feel for but but we all
Speaker 5: went through that. We all went through that.
Speaker 1: You're going like, you're the best team guy. You're the
Speaker 1: best example of it right now because every day you're
Speaker 1: doing you know what I mean, like you're still strong
Speaker 1: and resilience and she can like a child, and I
Speaker 1: just want to know.
Speaker 10: We need to build resilience in our children just like that.
Speaker 10: We just want to wrap them in bubble wrap. I
Speaker 10: realize that, but it's it's not long term.
Speaker 8: It's not It is hard. And when you see them disappointed,
Speaker 8: so disappointed, ready for that?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: I even said to Chris, I'm like, why does it
Speaker 8: bother me so much that he got cut from the team?
Speaker 8: Why do I care?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 8: Why am I so invested? It does matter to me?
Speaker 8: But it does because he was so bummed. But you
Speaker 8: know what, to that kid's credit, he looked at me,
Speaker 8: he goes, I'm trying out again next year.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: I thought myself.
Speaker 4: Good for you, Leslie, look at that though.
Speaker 5: That's a win for you, Chris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that says that is a win.
Speaker 5: For you guys.
Speaker 7: The fact that he's willing to take that on the
Speaker 7: chin and say, you know what, next year, I'm going
Speaker 7: out now, I'm going to quit soccer forever and never
Speaker 7: going to play, So hang your hat on that. That's
Speaker 7: a win for you, guys.
Speaker 2: Leslie, thank you for letting us call you. I just wanted,
Speaker 2: you know, some some mom another mom opinion. But love
Speaker 2: your face tomorrow, see tomorrow, love you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah tomorrow.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I think the end of the day
Speaker 2: is we all agree that we just need to do
Speaker 2: anything Unwrap the bubble. Wrap, wrap the bubble, like even
Speaker 2: when she falls.
Speaker 5: I'm like, kid, actually, no.
Speaker 2: Time out, time out, my girlfriend. I know we need
Speaker 2: to wrap this up. But my girlfriend Julie, what it
Speaker 2: was was touring a school and a kid said do
Speaker 2: you remember what he said?
Speaker 5: Yeah? He called her son like a dwep And.
Speaker 2: If we if somebody it does that in front of
Speaker 2: my face, Like, what am I going to do?
Speaker 5: Oh?
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