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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer, an iHeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Have we been recording?

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Speaker 3: We have?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is that like? I don't know what's happening?

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Speaker 4: Is there like a playlist?

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Speaker 2: Michael is jamming out to that song go ahead, Baby

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Speaker 2: did again. I'll do backrock, but think of it. You

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Speaker 2: did it so good? Yeah you actually it's so good.

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Speaker 2: Now he's all jealous, easting got it, so he's going

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Speaker 2: to replay that the opening tune. I'm more of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you love my hair? Just spot its.

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Speaker 1: Ago, not like that, thank you. It's not her hair, right,

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Speaker 1: you like my hair? She thinks, just spot it? I see,

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Speaker 2: You don't know, guys just looking at me like I

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Speaker 5: I don't know that one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know who sings that one? Who sings it? A?

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Speaker 2: So you guys didn't have the playlist going this one. No,

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Speaker 2: he just likes that one song. He's been like jamming too,

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Speaker 2: So Mike's been singing Ariana Grande. I've been walking around

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Speaker 2: just like super hyper this morning. So happy Monday, ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, this Monday. This is super exciting. Hey, but

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Speaker 2: I really want to get into something because it's been

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Speaker 2: on the news. It's been a topic of conversation and

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Speaker 2: I really want to debate it with all of you guys.

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Speaker 2: I think that was gonna be my question too. Really yeah, Okay, So, honey,

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Speaker 2: I know you've been dead to the world for the

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Speaker 2: past couple of weeks because you've had that awful told.

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Speaker 2: Still he's still there.

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Speaker 5: Still getting over it, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I can tell it, I can hear it. So basically,

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Speaker 2: did you hear any of the news going on about

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Speaker 2: Felicity Huffman and Laura Laughlin? Okay, so Felicity Huffman Lori

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Speaker 2: Laughlin were arrested and Becky the Queen of Home Aren't

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Speaker 2: and aunt Beckie. So Lauri Laughlin got arrested for and

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Speaker 2: Felicity Haffen. Basically, the FBI raided their house and arrested her. Amazing,

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Speaker 2: not really, but there was like a huge investigation because

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Speaker 2: of the college scheme shames schemes, the scheme shame.

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Speaker 3: Seme.

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Speaker 2: I read the up to day that I got really into. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so why don't you give the background since you have

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Speaker 2: all the the major.

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Speaker 1: Long story short, there was a man who was running

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Speaker 1: like an underground scheme where sheame.

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Speaker 2: We're really rich.

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Speaker 6: That's not the rich people say, we're really really like

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Speaker 6: not even like rich, but like major company execs and

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Speaker 6: CEOs and like obviously these actresses, people with.

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Speaker 1: A lot of money were paying him so that he

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Speaker 1: could ensure that their children got into Yale, Harvard, usc UH, Northwestern, George,

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Speaker 1: all the these major universities.

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Speaker 5: On athletic scholarships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and also like Felicity Haffman paid I

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Speaker 1: think it was fifteen thousand.

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Speaker 2: For a better essays. So he had someone like into

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Speaker 2: the community, into the college.

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Speaker 1: He had like ten people around the country who would

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Speaker 1: go take the test for your kids. But like, I

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Speaker 1: mean some of these people were paying half a million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Somebody paid a million. I know.

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Speaker 1: It's like really, I mean I was watching this thing

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Speaker 1: and there like holy blue collar crime, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but like that's a lot of money. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I'm on two you get is that what you were?

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Speaker 1: That's what I was can ask because I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't have kids, so I know there's a huge bit

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Speaker 1: like oh, but you would do anything for your kids,

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Speaker 1: And so that's my question, Like what's the extent.

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Speaker 2: I have two very different sides to this, and everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: those rich spoiled kids. Well here's the deal, if you

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Speaker 2: had the money to do it. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 2: which side I'm on. Two very different sides, because I

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Speaker 2: can see two different sides. The one side is, well,

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Speaker 2: people pay for private school. That's giving your child a

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Speaker 2: I can't afford. We can't afford thirty thousand dollars a

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Speaker 2: So you know, you know, we're sending Julie to you know,

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Speaker 2: I get and this is where I get where Jolie,

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Speaker 2: what if here's the thing. I was a terrible test taker.

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Speaker 2: a bad test taker. If my daughter was a bad

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Speaker 2: test taker but she had the qualifications, yes, if you

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Speaker 2: needed the score to be in the school, I would

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Speaker 2: do anything for her. And I don't know, I guess

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Speaker 2: that might make me a bad parent. But she has

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Speaker 2: to sustain how she is now in that school then,

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Speaker 2: so that's on her. Then if I get if I

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Speaker 2: like someone's gonna help someone to get into a film

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Speaker 2: that they know somebody.

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Speaker 1: I think the difference between this is though from what

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Speaker 1: I read, it was like five hundred pages. I didn't

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Speaker 1: read all five hundred, but like none of it was

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Speaker 1: a lot of like, Okay, we need to ensure that

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Speaker 1: my son doesn't find out. There was a situation where

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Speaker 1: she was like the guy one of the Dad's emails,

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Speaker 1: the main guy, and he was like, my son was

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Speaker 1: just an orientation and they asked him how he feels

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Speaker 2: And so I think so then the dad people and

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Speaker 2: agree with that side of them. This is the thing.

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Speaker 1: These people have so much money. It's like, get a tutor,

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Speaker 1: get this, get that. They can all afford it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame the kids because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: much as their parents were. I mean, these families were

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Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent more for the parents to be

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Speaker 5: like my son or daughter goes.

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Speaker 1: To and I exactly exactly, but like one so though,

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Speaker 1: because I did, I disagree, But if Jolie for me personally,

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Speaker 1: I think if I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I told you I don't care if Joli goes or not.

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Speaker 2: And we've had major disagreements about that.

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Speaker 5: She's going to college.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but if she chooses not to, I can't

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Speaker 2: get upset with her because that's their life that.

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Speaker 1: She's way more understanding than these like high exec families

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Speaker 7: The people that have the money to that half a

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Speaker 5: It's so the parent.

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Speaker 7: It is a lot of it has to do with

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Speaker 7: that their kids have it. But also I'm not saying

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Speaker 7: it's purely selfish based on the parents. It is all

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Speaker 7: so like you said, honey, to get them in the door,

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Speaker 7: like we do anything to get Joeli or jas their

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Speaker 2: It's I will say, though, what bothers me about that

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Speaker 2: And that's where that's where that's the other side where.

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Speaker 1: Quotes it was like, I forget which parents said it,

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Speaker 1: but it's not funny.

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Speaker 2: But but you're laughing.

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Speaker 1: But I'm laughing no, because she goes, Okay, well, we

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Speaker 1: just need to ensure that they get in here.

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Speaker 2: We need to ensure that she gets into this school

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Speaker 2: and not just ASU.

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Speaker 1: I went to ASU, so obviously the old these parents,

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean is the parents were like, oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: It's like, what does it matter where the kid goes

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Speaker 2: Ryan Seacrest was talking about it, you know, to bring

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Speaker 2: up in My Heart Radio, you know, plug plug. But

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Speaker 2: Ryan and Kelly were talking about it, and I agreed

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Speaker 2: with Kelly when she said, no, I want my children

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Speaker 2: to work for it. And that's the thing that's that's

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Speaker 2: Jolie and Jays to work for everything, and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to just be like, oh, here, here's some money,

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Speaker 2: pay it off. But having said that, if my child has,

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Speaker 1: But that's the argument is that, you know, I know

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Speaker 2: So that's the argument is like, well, that's not fair.

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Speaker 1: My child has a severe testing disability, but you're going

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Speaker 2: Grand so that he can do so. Kelly was saying

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Speaker 2: that that test is exhausting for the child. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean where it's just like that child with the disability,

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Speaker 2: physically exhausted. So sometimes it would be easier just to

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Speaker 2: do you do you teach your children that that's hard?

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Speaker 2: That's that's That's where I'm like, I would would you

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Speaker 2: I think that's the basic question.

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Speaker 5: Well, again it depends.

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Speaker 2: It depends. Yes, if someone hurt my child, I'd go

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Speaker 2: probably to jail. Okay.

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Speaker 1: But that and that's what the argument is, like these

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Speaker 1: people didn't. It was like a selfish crime because most

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Speaker 7: And the different the difference too, is it's different investing

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Speaker 7: the money and paying to get additional help or expert

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Speaker 7: expert help for your children. That's one thing, that's fine,

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Speaker 7: But what they're doing is basically saying buying them an

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Speaker 7: a or buying them a test grade or buying them

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Speaker 7: admission into a school, which I don't think is right.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 7: One can say that if because of a high end exact,

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Speaker 7: person on the emissions board and they got in because

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Speaker 7: of who you know. Well, that's just life in gener

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Speaker 7: that's one thing. But paying to get into the front

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Speaker 1: And now these parents gave half a million dollars and

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing I mean, is jail time. What

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Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone really serves. I think the

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it all depends on some of.

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Speaker 2: And time out. That's the good right there. What about

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Speaker 5: Coverage, Oh boosters, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Know that happens. What is the difference. Why aren't those

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Speaker 1: So you could give like a million dollars, donate a building,

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Speaker 5: No, no, not directly.

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Speaker 7: There's no way to paper legally attach you giving that

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Speaker 2: Are not high.

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Speaker 1: This was guaranteed. You're giving fifty thousand, you're giving.

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Speaker 2: But the chances you said, are high if they if

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Speaker 1: No, the chance you have to give like seven million

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Speaker 5: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: He made twenty four million or something, this underground guy.

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Speaker 1: So he's locked up.

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing I would say he needs to have,

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Speaker 1: For sure, but he so he became an informant for

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, so he that's how they have all this guys.

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Speaker 1: It is like juicy, this is gonna be a movie,

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Speaker 1: Like these email chains are like insane.

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Speaker 2: So wait, so they they basically caught him and then

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Speaker 1: He's going to end up having it. But obviously it

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna find out so many more people.

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Speaker 7: I will say, I can see where I mean, you know,

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Speaker 7: Right, so there's just so much of you that it

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Speaker 5: And when since.

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Speaker 2: Your dad went there, you went, dad went there.

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Speaker 5: I went there.

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Speaker 7: I just I you know, my brother grew up going

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Speaker 7: but even just my brother kind of going through that

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Speaker 5: Like through my right well, so but I have to

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Speaker 7: Kind of bite my tongue and realize what he wants,

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Speaker 2: Say Jolie actually does want to go, because I don't

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but they probably they probably didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: it's just so many lies, like very detailed lies that

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Speaker 2: But again, I want the best opportunity for her. That's

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Speaker 1: Because I would be like, first of all, you think

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Speaker 2: But if you didn't get the highest score though, and

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Speaker 1: But now what if they're like in jail, I'd be

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Speaker 2: Like the like, but what if it's a school you

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, I feel like, I'm sure the kids

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's two different personalities that there's some

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Speaker 5: I think like that probably just.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't. I don't really care.

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Speaker 7: Ultimately, you don't want your kids to have to settle,

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Speaker 7: and neither does joy Bird because they believe that you

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Speaker 7: With jeord word, do you get one of a conference

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Speaker 7: East short Bird piece is made made by hand, with

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Speaker 7: materials to fit our rustic modern farmhouse.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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447
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Speaker 7: you can return it.

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Speaker 2: With that sofa that we're going to use. Basically, you

449
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Speaker 2: get to sit on it, make sure it's comfortable, and

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Speaker 2: if you don't like it, we can just try it

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Speaker 2: and if.

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Speaker 7: Jay spits up all over it, you can't get it

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Speaker 7: out and I can't.

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Speaker 2: No, it's no, it's not what you do. I just

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Speaker 2: love that they have so many different choices though, and they,

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Speaker 2: like I said, modern to contemporary classics. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just nice to be able to chill

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Speaker 2: with it for a second, you know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all A lot of it is kid and

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're so.

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Speaker 2: Happy to have you in studio with us.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you're the real deal face.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any makeup bonds resting right now, so

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling real nice right now.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciating like natural lessons more some times.

483
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Speaker 3: Just like.

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Speaker 2: I do. So I feel like I have the opposite

485
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Speaker 2: of a hoarder because when I love moving, I love organizing,

486
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Speaker 2: I love packing. So I know that's the weirdest thing,

487
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Speaker 2: but I love getting rid of Sorry Easton, I just

488
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Speaker 2: love it. I think it's the most freeing thing. And

489
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Speaker 2: just being like I'm always like, get rid of it,

490
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Speaker 2: give it away. I'm the same fellatus or like give

491
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Speaker 2: it to a friend. I don't know what it is,

492
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Speaker 2: but I.

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Speaker 5: Just think it.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I just I don't know what it is.

495
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Speaker 2: I think it's just it just you feel light afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Let me say this about that. Okay, you're hired. Oh

497
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Speaker 2: I was just I guess anytime my girlfriend and I

498
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Speaker 2: are moving and I was like, oh, let me come

499
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Speaker 2: over and help, like you know, purge and splurge and

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Speaker 2: put it away impact.

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Speaker 4: Like the people in America really love to just keep

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Speaker 4: it neat and organized. Yeah yeah, yeah, congratulations.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that bad though, too, isn't there Maybe I'm

504
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Speaker 2: there's like two extremes of horder and then me where

505
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Speaker 2: it's like just give it away and then you want

506
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Speaker 2: nothing no nick knacks, no nothing.

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Speaker 4: Well, sometimes let me just ask you, might you have

508
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Speaker 4: a situation or a problem with perfectionism. Why do you

509
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Speaker 4: look at me like that husband is looking at her?

510
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Speaker 2: I don't think, so what do you think.

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Speaker 5: A little bit?

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Speaker 2: We're both on the spectrum really like with what though?

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious.

514
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Speaker 5: Like things done the way you like them your way?

515
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Speaker 2: I like that. I like things done.

516
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Speaker 5: Timeline on your timeline.

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Speaker 2: And if I said to Michael, so let's say this

518
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Speaker 2: is you know, his water, I say, hey, this is

519
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Speaker 2: sitting on the table. I said, hey, baby, will you

520
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Speaker 2: put that away? And He'll go, I'm like no, oh no,

521
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Speaker 2: A little bit like all the way away. So I

522
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Speaker 2: guess that's where I am a little bit more like,

523
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Speaker 2: let's place it in the proper place.

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Speaker 4: Well, that immediately sounds to me, sounds to me like

525
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Speaker 4: a great house to live in. I don't know, I'm

526
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Speaker 4: ready to move in.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think it is like with hoarders

528
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Speaker 2: that they have that Is it the connection to the

529
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Speaker 2: things or is it the memories or.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of that. But what I really

531
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Speaker 4: want you to think about is, Okay, wait a second here,

532
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Speaker 4: Like an alcoholic perhaps, or someone who gambles, or someone

533
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Speaker 4: who shops too much. You know, you don't have one

534
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Speaker 4: reason why it all happens. If I said to someone

535
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Speaker 4: who drank too much, why are you doing it? And

536
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Speaker 4: then asked another person, they would have different answers. But

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Speaker 4: the common theme is that I guess it really boils

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Speaker 4: down to some trauma in you know, your past life,

539
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Speaker 4: or the anxiety to deal with feelings. You know, all

540
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Speaker 4: these feelings. So it's really what's underneath the clutter or

541
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Speaker 4: underneath the horde on the Hoarder Show.

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Speaker 7: How do you distinguish when it comes down to something

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Speaker 7: that may be legitimately sentimental. Say Janna's brother texts the

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Speaker 7: other day and talked about, you know that one box

545
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Speaker 7: everyone has when they move, that's your high school yearbooks

546
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Speaker 7: and stuff that you feel it's so nostalgic, But what

547
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Speaker 7: are you really going to do with them? How do

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Speaker 7: you distinguish, like what's truly important to keep and stuff

549
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Speaker 7: like that. Maybe that may still be nostalgic, but it's like, okay,

550
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Speaker 7: you can let that go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Michael, you mentioned something where you said one

552
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Speaker 4: box of nostalgia stuff. You know, that's fine, that's normal.

553
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Speaker 4: It should happen. These people have like but on our

554
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Speaker 4: Hoarder show, it's an entire house of all of that

555
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 4: because everything has a meaning to them. But if we're

556
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Speaker 4: just talking about your listeners or viewers, what we want

557
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Speaker 4: to say is, you know, use my five point value

558
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Speaker 4: system in order to make a decision.

559
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Speaker 2: And what is that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a whole collection of Do you have

561
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Speaker 4: a collection of anything? Either of you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'll say I have that bag with

563
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Speaker 2: all my high school like you said, yearbooks and albums

564
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Speaker 2: and pictures. But again I haven't looked at it. And

565
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Speaker 2: but it's for like Jolie, it's like show your kids, right,

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Speaker 2: you look at your parents' stuff. Though my brother asked

567
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Speaker 2: me that kind of when I go home, I like

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Speaker 2: to look.

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Speaker 1: My mom has a When my grandparents died, they kept

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and my mom was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I didn't he had letters my grandpa.

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Speaker 2: She was like what, Like, yeah, some.

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Speaker 4: Of those things are so adorable to go through at

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Speaker 4: some point. But if you are questioning whether they keep Yeah,

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Speaker 4: if you're somebody who keeps a whole bunch of tools

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Speaker 4: in a garage, you know, then I want to say

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Speaker 4: five point value system. Pick your favorite tool, which one

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Speaker 4: is it? Show it to me. Okay, that's five, that's

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Speaker 4: a five. Nothing else in here can be a five.

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Speaker 4: Or maybe it's your favorite T shirt collection. Show me

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Speaker 4: a five, the number one T shirt that's most exciting

582
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Speaker 4: that you want to keep up your collection, and then

583
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Speaker 4: you start going through all the other ones. Nothing else

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Speaker 4: can be a five? Is it a four? Is it

585
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Speaker 4: a three?

586
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Speaker 2: Is it a two?

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Speaker 5: Interesting?

588
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Speaker 4: Is it a one? And you rate each item. So

589
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Speaker 4: those items that rate one and two, the ones with

590
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Speaker 4: the holes in the stains, maybe they go out and

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Speaker 4: you keep the five and couple of the fours on

592
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Speaker 4: that five point value system.

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Speaker 2: Is that kind of the same thing too, Because I've

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Speaker 2: with kids and we have a three year old and

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Speaker 2: a three month old, and what we've kind of done

596
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Speaker 2: is I've taken things like from Jolie that first year, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get rid of that one onesie

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Speaker 2: that I loved of seeing her, you know, I want

599
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Speaker 2: to be able to look back and be like, oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, we go little you were, you know, and

601
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Speaker 2: give her some of these things, maybe for her kids.

602
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Speaker 2: But how when is that too much? Too Do I

603
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Speaker 2: have to use the five point with that, because I

604
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Speaker 2: think everything is five because it's so sentimental. They're my kids, right,

605
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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: Well, it comes to a point later on where see,

607
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Speaker 4: you still might be at the point where you're accumulating things.

608
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Speaker 4: There are three stages of getting organized or being organized,

609
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Speaker 4: or collecting clutter. So the first stage is just getting

610
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Speaker 4: our independence. We have our own style, our own way

611
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 4: of designing and furniture, our own friends. We're collecting people, places, things,

612
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Speaker 4: and then we go to the second stage where we

613
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Speaker 4: have to manage all the crap that we just collected.

614
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Speaker 4: And then the third stage is hopefully getting rid of

615
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: the stuff. So you might still be in the first stage,

616
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: where you're still in the collecting. The problem with the

617
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: people on the Hoarder show on A and E is

618
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: that they are forever in the collecting stage. So even

619
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Speaker 4: if they're in their forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, they're

620
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Speaker 4: still collecting and it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sorry, no, go ahead, bay, Oh go ahead, because mine's

624
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: an easy question.

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Speaker 5: I'll remember. Okay, be right, bad, I'm dying.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, he's had the man called for like a month?

627
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Speaker 2: What sorry? Uh? Age wise, do you see it primarily

628
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Speaker 2: in older people or do you what's the age range

629
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Speaker 2: that you see for hoarders?

630
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so most people think it's just people in their

631
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: older years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's kind of my thought. I'm like, Okay,

633
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: my grandparents probably or that age range sixteen up.

634
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Speaker 4: And we see it more there because they don't have

635
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Speaker 4: as many friends, they don't have as many family members

636
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: coming to visit. People who are younger are people, you.

637
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Speaker 7: Know, having people.

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Speaker 4: We're having guests, so we're having kids. But we have

639
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Speaker 4: a lot of folks who are younger who are in

640
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Speaker 4: the hoarding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're hoarders. Do you start with sorry, Sarah? You know,

642
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: do you start with inside first? Like inside, they're like,

643
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: what's going on first with them? Before you touch their stuff?

644
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: That's kind of like my question. I was just gonna

645
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Speaker 2: be like, do you think there's something like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there is something.

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Speaker 6: You know.

648
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Speaker 1: I know you're going like, is there something going on

649
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Speaker 1: up there.

650
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 4: In the brain area? Yeah, there is.

651
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Speaker 2: I don't have to work with that first before you say, okay,

652
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Speaker 2: get rid of that.

653
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

654
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Speaker 4: There's two parts of it. I mean, there's the wiring.

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Speaker 4: Some of us are just like your frontal lobe, Jenna,

656
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: it is completely wired for organizing, and other people are not.

657
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: But for those people who do hoard, yeah, there's something

658
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: that's missing for them. And it could be the missing

659
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: could be a person, it could be a job loss,

660
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Speaker 4: it could be a major illness. You know, all of

661
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Speaker 4: these things trigger some sort of anxiety that you just

662
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: can't deal with.

663
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Speaker 2: So it's like a form of anxiety basically can be

664
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Speaker 2: But then walk over, there's stuff to get to their room.

665
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Speaker 2: How does that not give them anxiety?

666
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: No, that's comfort.

667
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: That's give so much anxiety because we're like psycho, so

668
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: we're like, I don't want anything. Some people can barely

669
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: get to their room as much stuff they have, barely.

670
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Speaker 4: Get in the door. I mean, we've had situations on

671
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: The Hoarders Show where we can't even open the door.

672
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: We were in New York City and a five story

673
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: walk up and could not get in.

674
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Speaker 2: It's not healthy, probably too, it's sanitary.

675
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Speaker 7: Yeah, is there one? I'm sure everyone has something different

676
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 7: that maybe they want to collect or hoard specifically, but

677
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 7: there's there one universal kind of topic or concept that

678
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 7: they like to hold on to across the board that

679
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 7: people have an issue with. Is it stuff of nostalgia?

680
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 7: Is it just their own collectible? Is there anything universal

681
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 7: across the board for the people that you've seen.

682
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Speaker 4: Yes, recycling really interesting. Yeah, Now this is where a

683
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: lot of the people who are not hoarders get stuff

684
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: as well, because we want to be good to the planet. Now,

685
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 4: if you're a person who hoards, then you say, well,

686
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: I'm trying to recycle. So i have all the plastic,

687
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: i have all the paper, I have all the food,

688
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: I have everything, and I'm keeping it to reuse it.

689
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: And I've got a great idea to reuse it. Whether

690
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: it's a boat in the backyard, whether it's goats in

691
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: the backyard who have chewed their way through the house.

692
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Speaker 4: Real true story from hoarders on an e really true

693
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Speaker 4: that got chewed through the house into the house. It

694
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Speaker 4: doesn't matter what it is. There's a purpose. So if

695
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: you feel like, Oh, you have a purpose for everything,

696
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: You're going to hold on to a whole lot more.

697
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Speaker 7: Is that what I feel like anytime I've seen the show,

698
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: stacks of newspaper or stacks of paper like everywhere.

699
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, stacks of paper everywhere, because there are

700
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: great ideas that they when the printer is working, Michael,

701
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: when it's working, just like the plumbing or the electricity

702
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: if it's working, but when the printer's working, they print

703
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: out all these documents on the how to to do something.

704
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 4: They are definitely going to di I Wyatt and they're

705
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: going to take care of it.

706
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Speaker 2: What drew you to this lifestyle of helping others unhort Like,

707
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: what does your house look like?

708
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: Is?

709
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: Are are you the organized Nancy?

710
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: You know you could come to. My house is really organized,

711
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: and I'm married to somebody who's really really organized. So

712
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: we get along really well and travel well together. But

713
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: this dropped in my lap. Now, mind you, I tend

714
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 4: to work with all of the celebrities here in Los Angeles.

715
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: I'm really lucky, so I get to go in and

716
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: organize beautiful homes. But most people just know me from

717
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 4: the Hoarder Show, and so it dropped in my lap.

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: There was this gentleman here in the Los Angeles area.

719
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Speaker 4: He had five thousand bikes and bike parts inside his house.

720
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and he was sleeping outside his house on

721
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: a recliner chair. So he was going to jail. And

722
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: that was like twenty years ago. And then the Hoarder

723
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: shown me and I was on the pilot, and then

724
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: I was a technical producer helping everybody learn how to

725
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: deal with this hoarding situation.

726
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: And now you're a best selling author and your current

727
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: book is Stuff Your Face or Face Your Stuff. I

728
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: love that. Yeah, that's a great title.

729
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: You know what happened, don't you?

730
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Speaker 2: What happened?

731
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Speaker 4: So I was on the set of the Hoarder show

732
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: and I had this realization at two hundred pounds that

733
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: I was hoarding sugar and flour around my body the

734
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: same way my clients a hoarding things in their house.

735
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: And I thought, this has got to stop. So I

736
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: took off seventy five pounds and wrote a book on

737
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: how the parallels because I really feel like I identify

738
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: with these people who can't stop bringing things in.

739
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: That's so foud because at first you probably didn't identify

740
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, exactly, Like what introspection on your part

741
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: to see that.

742
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a little embarrassing to share about.

743
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: But now I think that's just makes people more.

744
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's like a major correlation. It is like

745
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: people over eating or hoarding food basically.

746
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 4: Well, imagine when I'm if I'm overweight and someone comes

747
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: in and wants to take away my just baked cookies

748
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 4: and milk, how I'm going to field, Well, get your

749
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: hands off my stuff? And so interesting how these people

750
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Speaker 4: feel on The Hoarders Show with.

751
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Speaker 2: Us, which is airs Tuesday at eight seven Central on

752
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Speaker 2: A and E. And then you have the ten minute

753
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Speaker 2: Closet Organizer dot Com, which I need to read because

754
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: we're moving to Nashville and I just I got to

755
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: figure out how we want to organize the closet. So

756
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: what's like your biggest tip on that for closets.

757
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, for closets, it's really how you like to organize it.

758
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: So it's a customized solution. But are you a person

759
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Speaker 4: who likes to organize by category or by color or

760
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: by usefulness? Like does it need to go the dry cleaner?

761
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: Do I need to have it mended? Do I have

762
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: to have it ironed? Whatever these things are, or by

763
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: days of the week if you have kids. So there's

764
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Speaker 4: like ten different diferent families of these closet dividers that

765
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: you can use to organize our closet.

766
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Speaker 2: Where can our listeners? I mean, can could people hire

767
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 2: you if they're in the LA area or are you

768
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: kind of not available? Yes?

769
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Speaker 4: I have my sister with me all over and it's

770
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Speaker 4: not just the California.

771
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: Could we fly you to Nashville?

772
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we fly all over? Oh love Yeah, Japan, Australia,

773
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Speaker 4: name it we go?

774
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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh that would be fun. I love hired. Come done,

775
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Dorothy thinking. Where can our listeners find you? Then, Dorothy?

776
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Speaker 4: Yeah, dorothythorganizer dot com And actually my show is coming

777
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Speaker 4: up this Tuesday night on March nineteenth on A and

778
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Speaker 4: E Love for Hoarders.

779
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Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you so much, Dorothy coming, Thank you. I

780
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Speaker 2: loved her. I did too. She was really sweet. Here's

781
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Speaker 2: something that a lot of people have though that they

782
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: hoard mattresses. You've seen the show where they have all

783
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: these mattresses. Yeah, this one guy was like sleeping on

784
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: seven matches mattress and storage that I'm used in like

785
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: three years are here?

786
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Speaker 5: What I hope it's a storage in it with just

787
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Speaker 5: a mattress.

788
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: No, I think there's just like a desk in there

789
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: and like some boxes.

790
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 5: So basically someone lives in that storage.

791
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Speaker 2: Speaking of mattresses, though, we are going to have sleep

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795
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796
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Speaker 2: say that you spend half your life in bed, and

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Speaker 2: I think you deserve to have an amazing bed and mattress.

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Speaker 7: Is it half your life for me? Once you have kids,

799
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Speaker 2: Third I know, but no, seriously, it's just I just

801
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Speaker 2: need a comfy bed because I do a lot of

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Speaker 2: work from my bed. You know, we do our laundry

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Speaker 2: I can have a setting.

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Speaker 5: You like it harder.

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Speaker 5: We have that fun on Jana's side of the bed though,

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Speaker 5: because mine's too soft.

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Speaker 2: But there's no like you know, always there are so

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Speaker 2: I really just need to talk to you guys about Lola,

823
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Speaker 2: of organic cotton tampons, pads, liners, and all natural cleansing wipes. Sarah, Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's so annoying when you run out of tampons. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, in my opinion, it just is. So it's

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Speaker 2: you know, for me, with Lola, I A I always

828
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Speaker 2: know and Michael always knows. Two and the Lola box comes,

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Speaker 2: it's like choose on Imperia Stay Clear, Stay Clear. But

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Speaker 2: I just love it too because I don't need the light.

831
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Speaker 2: I want just the ones that I want.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now I have.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Now I don't have to go out and buy

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835
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Speaker 7: if you ask him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really, yeah really, if I asked him.

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Speaker 5: That actually kind of surprises me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know really, I know he's bought. Yeah, Okay,

839
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Speaker 2: he'd probably buy like like an overnight like one of

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Speaker 9: Hey, love, Welcome to the welcome Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jana. This is my husband Michael, and this is Sarah.

855
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: So we kind of talked about it last week's episode.

856
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Speaker 2: Was it last week's episode? About two weeks? Two weeks? Yeah,

857
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: and Sarah, you texted me something really interesting. Do you

858
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Speaker 2: want to share or no? Just literally, I'm never safe

859
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Speaker 2: where we talk about. I don't even know what we talked about.

860
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Speaker 2: You haven't talked about the scale about how I realized

861
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Speaker 2: that I was that was something that I can control,

862
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Speaker 2: was the number on the scale. So that became kind

863
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Speaker 2: of my my thing.

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Speaker 1: He basically said that, like it's your way of control.

865
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Speaker 1: You can't control things, so you control the scale or something. Yes,

866
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Speaker 1: So I kind of just came to realization where we

867
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Speaker 1: were talking about, Like, you know, I wouldn't say I'm

868
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Speaker 1: like addicted.

869
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Speaker 2: Or but it's a control thing. Working out for me

870
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Speaker 2: is a control thing.

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like in other aspects of my life

872
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Speaker 1: I might be not in control, and I'm a control freak,

873
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Speaker 1: and so I kind of I was on the treadmill

874
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Speaker 1: as I'm listening to this lady tell Jenna, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think that's my thing. Like I think I get

876
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: cranky or I get like if I don't work out,

877
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: it's like becomes a whole thing, and so I think

878
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: that that might be my little way controlling it's my yeah,

879
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: because like if I know, Okay, I went and I

880
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: was on the treadmill for this long and you know, yeah.

881
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 9: So I think same with the scale. Once it becomes

882
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 9: obsessive and once it becomes something you can like, for example,

883
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 9: if you can't work out in a day, if it

884
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 9: bothers you so much where you don't even have an

885
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 9: enjoyable day, then it's an issue.

886
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: But then it's so I just feel good after because

887
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: it's like that balance, you know, where it's like, Okay,

888
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: is it the endorphins or am I just like you know?

889
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 8: Right?

890
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: So when you say issue though, is it an eating disorder?

891
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 5: Issue?

892
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: Like what is the category of in eating disorder?

893
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 9: Great question? So there's a lot of there's a lot

894
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 9: of different The spectrum is huge because I feel like

895
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 9: majority of people have disordered eating with their either relationship

896
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 9: with their body or relationship with food. The scale, there's

897
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 9: so many different things this is such a hot topic

898
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 9: because I mean, I've been working the eating disorder filled

899
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 9: for eighteen years and I work at USC as a

900
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 9: sports dietician there and I run a program for Healthy

901
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 9: Body Imagine Eating, and I also work for the La Kings,

902
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 9: So it's so interesting. I'm a very vast, you know,

903
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 9: different way of looking at this from an athlete perspective

904
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 9: of the obsession of exercising and looking a certain way

905
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 9: to perform and then you have, you know, when you're

906
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 9: done being an athlete, or just like my normal clients

907
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 9: that I see in my private practice, they feel like

908
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 9: if they're not controlling it, they're going to be out

909
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 9: of control or they're not going to look the way

910
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 9: they want to. So it's easier for them to get

911
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 9: on a scale multiple times a day. It's easier for

912
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 9: them to make sure they're working out, you know, to

913
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 9: compensate for what if they had a cookie that day,

914
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 9: so then it becomes unhealthy. So there's a there's a

915
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 9: difference between I exercise because it makes me feel good,

916
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 9: or I check my weight once in a while to see,

917
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 9: you know, kind of what my body's doing.

918
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: See, I don't have a scale, so that's what's weird

919
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: because we're like the opposite in that, but you're still

920
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: obsessive over something.

921
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah no, oh yeah, so that's im Like, so that's like,

922
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: that's why the same even then they're different. But it's not.

923
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that you care about which you weigh.

924
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, there is something to be

925
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: said when you're obsessed to work it because you do.

926
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: You're not in a good mood when you don't work out.

927
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: So so that's that is a problem.

928
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: So again like and and here's so, but it's like

929
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll go eat, like it's.

930
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: Not like time out. I'm going to call you out

931
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: right now. Oh this is good, You're okay. We don't

932
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: need together, Sarah. No, I asked you to eat and

933
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not eating right now. I'm not eating

934
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: right now. Is a mild joke. That's not a joke though,

935
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: because you literally would not eat. You said you you're

936
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: you said that you'd have one meal a day. Okay,

937
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: but that's a joke. It's not a joke because you

938
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: actually but if.

939
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: I was, look, it's not like I'm like skin embalm,

940
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it's die.

941
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.

942
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: Think that for me, I would rather.

943
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 5: For me.

944
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Right now, for me, I'd rather work out than not eat.

945
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? But that's not healthy, right Exactly?

946
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: You have to you have to have food to get

947
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: your body to work out.

948
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: That's what I said, Like I want, I like to eat,

949
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

950
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: But you don't, though you say you don't eat, like

951
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: and I don't want to any food? But why why

952
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: is no?

953
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: Because I know no, because it's like a mood thing,

954
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Like I know that. Like sometimes I'm like, you know,

955
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like cranky or like something's going on. So

956
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just like annoyed and I don't or

957
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: mind when I'm unhappy, I don't have an appetite. So

958
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of someone who's like, oh my god,

959
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm eating my feelings. I'm the opposite, sure, And I

960
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: found that out yours. I know that about me. I

961
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: am someone who when I'm not in a good place,

962
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, I don't have an I don't

963
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: feel good, but I'm not working out either, So.

964
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 9: Right, and that that can happen, And that's good that

965
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 9: you know that about yourself. I do know that, right,

966
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 9: in terms of I mean exercise, what I would do

967
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 9: is recommend you forcing yourself to have a day off.

968
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I definitely do a time, but I'm just

969
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: like I wish I worked out, you know.

970
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 9: And then just and do you have to sweat? That's

971
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 9: the other thing too, because some people know, Okay.

972
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: You can just go outside, go for a while.

973
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to sweat. I just have to

974
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: be And also maybe it's like an ad D thing.

975
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

976
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: I just have to be like going, going, moving and

977
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: doing thing. Yeah, because that's weird. I don't have to sweat.

978
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: So back to the kind of thing, like would you

979
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: categorize that, like what is what is the window for

980
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: what an eating disorder is?

981
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 9: Like?

982
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 2: Would that be categorized as not necessary?

983
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 5: No?

984
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 9: I mean certainly the obsession is a problem, Like if

985
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 9: it's taking away something for your life. For example, if

986
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 9: you have to go pick up a friend at the

987
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 9: airport and you're like, I don't know if I should

988
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 9: because I have that exercise class that I have to

989
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 9: go to. Like that's a lot of my clients that

990
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 9: I see that they will like that trumps everything, like

991
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 9: they won't do certain things because that's the time they

992
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 9: work out, or if they don't work out, they really

993
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 9: do obsess about it all day long and it really

994
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 9: bothers them. That would be, you know, along the disordered

995
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 9: type of mentality with I see, it's.

996
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: More of like control. Yeah it's not there yet. Yeah,

997
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: so now it's not there.

998
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came on because I had a listener

999
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: DM ME that was really upset about the last last

1000
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: podcast because they were very shocked how I could promote

1001
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: an unhealthy habit which I wasn't promoting it. Someone came

1002
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: on to promote their diet and I didn't agree with

1003
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: the diet, but you know, I couldn't. I didn't want

1004
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: to be rude. I didn't want to sit there and be like,

1005
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: well it's something I could never do that. But basically

1006
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: they said to not eat with than sixteen hours.

1007
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 8: Right, yeah?

1008
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: Kin it fasting? Yeah? And I just from your perspective,

1009
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, because because this person had an eating it's like,

1010
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: how could you promote that to people that have I'm like,

1011
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm not promoting that. You know, we have guests on

1012
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: that come on to promote their things, and you know,

1013
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: I never put like my stamp of approval on that

1014
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: because I don't agree with that, and that's something that

1015
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't do. M hm. As from someone from the

1016
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: eating disorder background, you know, what are your thoughts on that?

1017
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 9: So definitely no one should be doing that if they've

1018
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 9: had an eating disorder or they have any kind of

1019
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 9: disordered way of thinking around food. I've had clients who've

1020
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 9: done that and are successful but have never had an

1021
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 9: eating disorder. They do it for other reasons, but I

1022
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 9: would agree with you. For the majority of people, that

1023
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 9: doesn't work for them at all. So if it becomes

1024
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 9: something that they again are obsessed with or already restrictive,

1025
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 9: this would just kind of add fuel to the fire.

1026
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 9: So I don't think it works for everybody, do I

1027
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 9: think it works for some people and they have success

1028
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 9: over Yes, but that's for people who probably are very

1029
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 9: of a weight, they have other health issues. Like if

1030
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 9: you look at the science of it, there is science

1031
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 9: behind it. So I'm not going to say that that

1032
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 9: it's not a good idea for a handful of people

1033
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 9: or for people who have a very different background than

1034
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 9: if somebody were, you know, to have an eating disorder

1035
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 9: or already in a restrictive way. Of thinking this would

1036
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 9: be something they would clearly stay away from.

1037
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: So what are science to look out for that if

1038
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: people are worried about maybe if they have this in

1039
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: eating disorder or not.

1040
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 9: Well that's a great question too, because I feel like

1041
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 9: this could be a whole another series, because I think

1042
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 9: majority of Los Angeles, I mean, when you talk to girls,

1043
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 9: what is a topic of conversation? Wait, they look, uh,

1044
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 9: oh my god, you looks so yeah, exactly, Oh my god.

1045
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 9: But I'm too right, So I think there is this

1046
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 9: obsession with it. And it's sad because I see a

1047
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 9: lot of young girls. So I also specialize in young

1048
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 9: kids that I come to my office, so eleven year old,

1049
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 9: twelve year old girls that I see, and I see

1050
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 9: boys as well, and obviously it starts at home. Majority

1051
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 9: of the time when I see kids, I'll talk to

1052
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 9: the mom or dad first and see what's going on.

1053
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 9: And I know you have a daughter as well, and

1054
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 9: it's quite what.

1055
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: Do we say that we don't shouldn't do?

1056
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 9: Because I mean, you think you can hide it from them,

1057
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 9: and you can't. So that's the first thing. So if

1058
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 9: you're eating, Like if I see a mom and she's

1059
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 9: like yes, but I'm you know, forty seven, and you

1060
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 9: know I can't eat carbohydrates like my daughter should. So

1061
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 9: I just eat you know, steam, spinach and eggs, and

1062
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 9: I just don't eat the carbs. But I always make

1063
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 9: her pasta. And I'm like, you don't understand. She's gonna

1064
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 9: watch you and do exactly what you do, even though

1065
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 9: you're telling her, no, you need them, honey, you're growing. No,

1066
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 9: So honestly you have to be really normal quote unquote

1067
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 9: with your food and body as well, if you say,

1068
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 9: just in passing, like oh these pants on me look

1069
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 9: so fat, or even though you don't think she's paying attention.

1070
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 9: It's so interesting all my clients when I start opening

1071
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 9: up and they start talking all the little snippeits that

1072
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 9: they get from you know, obviously social media and commercials

1073
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. But we at home, so you

1074
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 9: even having a scale out at all is not a

1075
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 9: healthy thing, I would say.

1076
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: But the scale like the worst mom ever because what

1077
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: I'll like, weigh myself and then she's like, my turn,

1078
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: my turnue. I know, I know, but she's only done

1079
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: it like twice. But now I'm like, yeah, the two times,

1080
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I'm never letting her stuff

1081
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: on that ever gain because I don't want her to

1082
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: think that like she has to like weigh herself. So

1083
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: if just three.

1084
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 9: Okay, So if this gives you any kind of motivation

1085
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 9: to put the scale away and not do this, it's

1086
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 9: her for sure, because they will.

1087
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: Can I just hide it from her?

1088
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: Not?

1089
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: I would just not. We should talk about it.

1090
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 9: Because I used to be exactly like that. In fact,

1091
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 9: I used to travel with the scale, like when you

1092
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 9: go on medication. Yeah yeah, yeah, So this is a

1093
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 9: whole like that could be another whole hour. We can

1094
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 9: just talk about about how crazy you can get. But

1095
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 9: when you ask me, like what are the signs to

1096
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 9: look for, it's when it starts to become where I

1097
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 9: have clients who are like, I'm not going to go

1098
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 9: to Cobbor on vacation because I don't feel good inn

1099
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 9: a swim soon, Like you're missing out on that time

1100
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 9: with your friends and that those memories because you don't

1101
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 9: feel good in a swim suit. That's sad. When you're

1102
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 9: sitting there calculating your calories and your macros and it

1103
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 9: becomes like the first thing you think about when you

1104
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 9: get up and the last thing you think about before

1105
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 9: you go to bed.

1106
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: Well, so what if it's what if that person just

1107
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: wants to lose weight though.

1108
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 9: But there's so many ways to do it that are

1109
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 9: colors that you don't have to count, calories. Your guess

1110
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 9: that you had on when you did talk about the scale,

1111
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 9: I really liked her. I felt like she had exactly

1112
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 9: what I promote to, which is the hunger scale. And

1113
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 9: really there's things that will always stay true, which is

1114
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 9: if you eat when you're hungry and you stop when

1115
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 9: you're satisfied, You exercise a good amount of time, maybe

1116
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 9: five days a week for.

1117
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: A good hour, and you do I don't have time

1118
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: to do that. No, five days a week, five days a week.

1119
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 9: Four to five times a week. Oh, but you don't

1120
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 9: exercise like four to five. You don't move your body.

1121
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got two kids.

1122
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 9: I don't know how well that's moving your body. But

1123
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 9: that's you're probably busy with them. It's like it's just

1124
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 9: not sitting here or like you're doing right now on

1125
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 9: a date, like you have to be moving. That's probably

1126
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 9: a better way of saying it, all right, And then

1127
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 9: you have to watch your stress and you need to

1128
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 9: be sleeping and drinking water. About those things, that's totally fine. Okay, yeah,

1129
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 9: I mean not every day. I mean you can one

1130
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 9: glass is fine. But when you ask me about like

1131
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 9: how do people control their weight in a healthy way,

1132
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 9: that's that's the key. Listening to their body, regular exercise,

1133
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 9: drinking lots of water, ideally, learning how to deal with

1134
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 9: stress like meditation and sleep and and just surround yourself

1135
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 9: with good energy. And honestly, those are the keys.

1136
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 7: What have you seen you work with a lot of

1137
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 7: collegiate professional athletes? Right it was a former I played in.

1138
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: The NFL for a while.

1139
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 7: Awesome, And what have you seen have you dealt with

1140
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 7: many athletes kind of transitioning from sport into kind of

1141
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 7: quote unquote normal real life.

1142
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 5: And yes, I've had a struggle.

1143
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 7: It's not as much now, but especially when I first

1144
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 7: retired or I was eating the same but obviously I'm

1145
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 7: not burning the same amount of calories. Like what kind

1146
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 7: of tips or tricks or advice do you have, Like

1147
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 7: even now I still have a struggle with it, but

1148
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 7: just kind of for those former athletes kind of transitioning

1149
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 7: into you know, a normal day life where you're not

1150
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 7: doing it. You can't eat the same amount of quarts

1151
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 7: and protein over and over and over again, Like what

1152
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 7: are That's.

1153
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 9: A great question. So we before all of our athletes leave,

1154
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 9: so our senior athletes, we have this huge basically seminar

1155
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 9: where they understand how to how to cook. So I

1156
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 9: teach cooking classes, grocery shopping skills like what are you

1157
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 9: looking for? You know, how to make easy quick meals,

1158
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 9: and then really learning to readjust listening to their body.

1159
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 9: So there's still conditioned to eat a certain way. So

1160
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 9: it's a habit, right because they're exercising and burning so

1161
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 9: many calories. So we really sit down and try to

1162
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 9: help them figure this out, which is you need to

1163
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 9: not stop thinking that you can just get away with

1164
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 9: eating multiple like cheeseburgers and French fries, are eating late

1165
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 9: at night because you're gonna go burn it off next

1166
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 9: morning in weights and in practice or whatever. So it's

1167
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 9: psychological first, you know, realizing that, okay, you're not going

1168
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 9: to have as much output, so here's what you need

1169
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 9: to do, and you need to make sure you're planning ahead.

1170
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 9: So those are the kind of people that for sure

1171
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 9: when they're getting into the work life that they need

1172
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 9: to batch cook and I teach them sort of how

1173
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 9: to do that. So how do you have things in

1174
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 9: the refrigerator that you can take to work? And then

1175
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 9: you need to be eating instead of eating a lot

1176
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 9: of carbohydrates. So it's the flip. It's like, instead of

1177
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 9: the add those extra carbohydrates, you add in more vegetables.

1178
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 9: So more vegetables, moderate carb moderate protein versus a good

1179
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 9: And we have plates that I show them so they

1180
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 9: can get a good visual of, like, Okay, here's what

1181
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 9: your plate looks like. Now here's what it needs to

1182
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 9: look like as you transition. But there needs to be

1183
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 9: a conversation because as you can see, a lot of

1184
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 9: people who are either get injured or who leave their

1185
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 9: sport have a lot of weight issues that leads to depression,

1186
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 9: that leads to heart issues and cholesterol and other you know,

1187
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 9: kind of disastrous things that can happen. So there's a

1188
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 9: huge amount of education that we give to our athletes

1189
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 9: about that.

1190
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 7: That's great, especially for seniors going off into the real

1191
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 7: world and even I mean, but that's the thing athletes,

1192
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 7: you know, even in college and then in a professional level,

1193
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 7: your meals are basically provided for you exactly, So even

1194
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 7: when I left the NFL. It's like, all right, I

1195
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 7: could cook a little bit, but proportionally and it's hard

1196
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 7: to cook for one person at the time. And I

1197
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 7: was still eating the same thing. I was still eating

1198
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 7: a lot of carbs and pastas and meats and all

1199
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 7: that all the time. Where it's i mean our first

1200
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 7: like a year and a half together, I'll still like

1201
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 7: my plane weight, and I was like, there's no reason

1202
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 7: for me to be two hundred and fifty pounds right right.

1203
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: It was.

1204
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: It was brutal.

1205
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 9: And that's another thing too. That's the skill too for

1206
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 9: athletes versus a non athlete. I will tell you one

1207
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 9: of the biggest issues is eating slower. So my athletes

1208
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 9: because they have to get to classed or they have

1209
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 9: to like they're shoving food in.

1210
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

1211
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 9: So when they learn how to transition, I'm like, okay,

1212
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 9: I want you to act.

1213
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: With our two kids. I'm like, I'm trying to feed

1214
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: and like, he'll have a couple of bites. I'm feeding Jason,

1215
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, then he's like, I'll take so

1216
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: you can have a couple of bites because you know,

1217
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: it just always falls at the same time. And then Jolie,

1218
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, sit down, sit like a big girl, eat

1219
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: your food. No, Jolie, don't put your hands and use

1220
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: your fork like like then I'm like shoving. And then

1221
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: I don't even remember how it tasted, souse. I just

1222
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: ate it so fast. That is a constant, very hard.

1223
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 9: I have two kids as well. I mean, it's very difficult.

1224
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 9: The transition of of now athletes, non athlete to then parents.

1225
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 9: That's like a whole another thing. It is challenging. But

1226
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 9: I would say, you know, at least you have a

1227
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 9: plate of food, don't be standing. So I have what's

1228
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 9: called Christy's rules, which are really interesting, Like one is

1229
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 9: no standing and eating.

1230
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: But that's like my life and so too. And I

1231
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 2: don't even have kids, and I stand when you're gone,

1232
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: I do, like when we're not, when we don't have

1233
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: family dinners, I stand. But I get the.

1234
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 9: Whole thing of trying to balance, you know, one kid

1235
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 9: on your lap and trying to eat and that kind

1236
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 9: of thing. Try to be as mindful as you can.

1237
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 9: It's not going to be perfect, and you've got to

1238
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 9: give your some some grace and that those moments are

1239
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 9: just like it is what it is. But when you

1240
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 9: have the time, and you can sit and you can

1241
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 9: just relax, to not try to be distracted by your

1242
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 9: phone or anything else, but to really just that's.

1243
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: A great master. We have to what's the worst food

1244
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 2: that you can that's a proper the worst food. What's

1245
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 2: the worst thing you can put in your body?

1246
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 9: There is nothing like that, No such thing. That is

1247
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 9: my firm belief.

1248
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you.

1249
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 9: I'll tell you why. Esla doesn't make somebody healthy, and

1250
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 9: a cheeseburger is not going to make somebody unhealthy. Right,

1251
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 9: So whether you go to a fair, yeah exactly. I

1252
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 9: think people get so like, oh my god, that has

1253
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 9: carriageane in it, or it has whatever, And I was like,

1254
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 9: so what. So the reality is when I'm at you know,

1255
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 9: when I go to Disneyland and my kids want to

1256
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 9: eat some whatever caramel apple, I know that it's not

1257
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 9: made with the best ingredients, but I'm gonna eat it

1258
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 9: because it's fun and I'm with them, and I want

1259
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 9: to be just like, let go. For the majority of

1260
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 9: the time, I might eat really healthy and clean, and

1261
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 9: some of the time I eat things that are just

1262
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 9: because So there's not one food that's going to make

1263
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 9: you unhealthy, just like there's not one food that's going

1264
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 9: to make you healthy. It's really about the balance between

1265
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 9: the two, honestly.

1266
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: Moderation like moderation. What about for Jolie though, So my

1267
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: fear is and I don't ever want to portray this

1268
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: on her, but what if? Because I don't because childhood

1269
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: obesity is a real thing for a real thing, and

1270
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the super strict mom where

1271
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: she's so tightened about her weight. But at the same time,

1272
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't want her to be obese. Yeah, either, So

1273
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the balance that I walk without

1274
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: making her feel like she has to be thin? But

1275
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: also so I don't know how to walk.

1276
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 9: It's great, it's a great question. And I love this

1277
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 9: topic because I think kids right now are so confused

1278
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 9: because either they're getting these mixed messages or they have

1279
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 9: parents that So I go into my kids class is

1280
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 9: fourth grade class, and I teach a weekly. They really

1281
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 9: need to be educated, that's the bottom line. You have

1282
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 9: to educate them. You have to help them move and

1283
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 9: not to shame them about eating sugar. But just like

1284
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 9: with my kids, it's like when they're hungry when they

1285
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 9: come home, I have a plate of fresh vegetables, some fruit,

1286
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 9: maybe some almonds, instead of like, oh, you want another

1287
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 9: bag of pirates spooty, Oh you want another thing of goldfish.

1288
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: Like it is pirates booty back. No, not at all,

1289
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: but go to no.

1290
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 9: But I'm just saying, like, when you have those opportunities

1291
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 9: and they're hungry, that's the best way to get some

1292
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 9: fruits and vegetables in them because they're hungry. So it's

1293
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 9: trying to just give them. It's like, you know, let's

1294
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 9: start with fruits and vegetables first, and then yeah, if

1295
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 9: you want pirates spooty or goldfish or whatever it is.

1296
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 9: But I feel like taking you don't want to also

1297
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 9: oversnack them, And I think that's a big problem. And

1298
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 9: I'll always ask my kids like are you physically hungry

1299
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 9: or you just want to eat because you're watching something

1300
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Speaker 9: or because you you know. So it's just those types

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Speaker 9: of little bits of education or wandering into the kitchen

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00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 9: and starting to go in the pantry and start eating

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00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 9: something like no, put it on a plate, let's go

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 9: sit down, eat your snack, and then move on. So

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Speaker 9: just developing those kinds of good habits once in a while,

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Speaker 9: I'll let them eat, you know, on the couch, but

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Speaker 9: really making the table a place where they eat their

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Speaker 9: food and their snacks and then moving on to play

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00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 9: whatever versus like foods all over the post, you know

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Speaker 9: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So well, thank you so much for coming in. We

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Speaker 2: really appreciate. I love all the insight that you gave

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Speaker 2: us and our listeners. Where can I where can they

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Speaker 2: find you?

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much. It's at kmsports nutrition dot com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, great, thanks so much. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. What's wrong?

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Speaker 2: It's gone up? Oh I did didn't I know, but

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Speaker 2: I just you know, no, it's not it's not anything

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Speaker 2: like Michael. Michael is all excited about them. He was,

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Speaker 2: but I just you know, we had a specialist here.

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00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: She's amazing. And and when you say you don't eat,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, ie roll Okay, well, I love't going

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: to care about it. And it was invention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nothing. I didn't all like, I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know that things, you know what the whatever,

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Speaker 1: you love me, I'm going to work out after this.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I loved her and I love her. She

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Speaker 1: basically because I figured she'd say like a preservative is

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Speaker 1: bad for you or something, you know. I I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. I'm I'm like, Okay, this cookie's not going

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00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: to kill you, know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I like, I love it.

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Speaker 5: Because I'm a big believer and everything's okay and moderate exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's why I.

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Speaker 7: Love that, because everyone freaks out so much. This is

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 7: going to cause cancer, This is going to cause cancer.

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00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: Well well okay, maybe I'm a little life is.

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00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 5: Going to cause can Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with you, though.

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: It's like anything, everything a moderation in life in general.

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Speaker 2: We definitely want to have Christie back though. So if

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Speaker 2: you guys have any questions around eating, nutrition, health, please

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Speaker 2: email us at wind Down at iHeartRadio dot com. And

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Speaker 2: that's wine. W H I n E all right, so

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Speaker 2: bless you, Tori. So I I kind of want to

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Speaker 2: wrap up the college conversation that we talked about earlier,

1347
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Speaker 2: but I want to wrap it up with my girlfriend Leslie.

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Speaker 2: She's been on the podcast before and she has her

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01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 2: take on it. Leslie there boo, yeah, huh Hi. So

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Speaker 2: we were kind of to obviously, we texted a little

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Speaker 2: bit about this yesterday, and you know, Sarah has kind

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Speaker 2: of her opinion from the kid's side about how she

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: would be upset with her parents if, if you know her,

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Speaker 2: her parents paid for them. And then I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: on the side where, you know, I would do anything

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Speaker 2: for my child, you know, although I feel bad for

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Speaker 2: the kid that is working so hard to get there,

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Speaker 2: and but I'm but I'm also torn. So I'm just

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Speaker 2: kind of curious from another mom's perspective, what your thoughts

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Speaker 2: are on it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, so this is like not in the you know,

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Speaker 8: this is not far off for us. Sean's going to

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Speaker 8: be there in three years, and it's just, you know,

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Speaker 8: I guess from a pure parent standpoint, I want the

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Speaker 8: best for my kids. I just I just do I

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Speaker 8: want I want the best of everything. And I can

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Speaker 8: see how somebody would be motivated. I can see how

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Speaker 8: my parent would be motivated to give their kid that

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Speaker 8: extra edge. Now I'm not saying it's right, but I'm

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Speaker 8: saying I totally see the motivation and I get it.

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Speaker 7: I'm there now, Leslie.

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Speaker 5: What if.

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Speaker 7: I feel like there's two sets of motivation. There's one

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Speaker 7: is like you're saying you want the best of your kid.

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Speaker 7: The second the second is with some of these people

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Speaker 7: being whether it's celebrity or high end executives where their

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Speaker 7: motivation could be they just want to be able to

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Speaker 7: say that their child goes to the ivy V school

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Speaker 7: or goes to their alma mater because they couldn't get in. Like,

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Speaker 7: do you think there's a big difference in you know,

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Speaker 7: which motivation is better? Doesn't really matter because they're still

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Speaker 7: doing the same action to get them in.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think my motivation is better.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 8: Wanting the best for my kid is better than being

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Speaker 8: able to say, well, my kid went to Harvard. I

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Speaker 8: don't that's That's not what I'm in it for, you know,

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Speaker 8: Like my motivation is to make sure that Sean and

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Speaker 8: Drew get the best possible that they can in life.

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Speaker 2: And you feel bad for the kid that has worked

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Speaker 2: his butt off that doesn't have the money that would

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Speaker 2: be taking that kid's your kids spot. Okay, I do

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Speaker 2: what my quife?

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Speaker 1: Hi, Sarah, my question or like my argument is, okay,

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Speaker 1: so you know that this is illegal and you know

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Speaker 1: there's a chance, just don't aren't you thinking big picture

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01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: for your kids? Like, Okay, I might go to jail

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: because I did this, So you're hurting your child at

1399
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, because what if your child

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Speaker 1: goes a year, even if your child goes six months

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: without a parent because you're in prison allegedly, you know

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Speaker 1: what I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, Like, no one, But how often do people think

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 7: that far ahead when the consequences of their actions?

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 8: Well, so you know, here, here's the thing though, Like

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 8: I would kill somebody for my kid. I would totally

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Speaker 8: go to jail for that, and I have no problem

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Speaker 8: with it. I would.

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Speaker 5: I just I would.

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Speaker 8: That's the whole Well that seems.

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Speaker 1: There, like I feel like I would beat someone up

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01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: for you know what. I get that part, But this

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: is such like a it's almo. It's not funny, but

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: it's almost just like what, like you spent a million

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01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: dollars so that your child could go to another I

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01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is that necessary? I think I think at home? I

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01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: mean maybe not, I don't know, but maybe you might

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Speaker 2: have a different I mean, no, I get that everyone.

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Speaker 1: I would do everything for my kid. I get that that.

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01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: I understand. I would kill someone for tie.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: I get that, But you're just saying to tie it here,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, like, because I don't have a child,

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: so he's the next closes. So I get that, but

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01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: like I I don't what I don't understand I would

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Speaker 1: be if my mom went to jail, I would I

1429
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't recover.

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01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 7: See, I think you're able to see the back end

1431
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 7: of it because you don't have a kid. So you're

1432
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 7: thinking of I'm putting my whole picture as a parent,

1433
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 7: you're thinking of like right now, because you wouldn't do

1434
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 7: it the best of your kid right now, you're not

1435
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 7: thinking of what can possibly happen.

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Speaker 1: This is not going to be a popular opinion. But

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01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: does college really matter that much?

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Speaker 2: I didn't at school. I didn't know what school my

1439
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 2: child that's going to college? But what school does that?

1440
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 5: Does that?

1441
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: What child says no though, then that's fine. But I

1442
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: think Yale does really matter or that that's because people

1443
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: will get better jobs, right if they go to that?

1444
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: But are going to fly.

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Speaker 1: One of the alleged had like a two point three

1446
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that you have a two point

1447
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: three gpa. But now you got into so and so

1448
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Speaker 1: you're not you're not graduating well.

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Speaker 8: But Sarah, to your point, So there's a kid from

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01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 8: my hometown right now who's got a one point seven

1451
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Speaker 8: and he's going to Notre Dame on football scholarships.

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: Well that's well, that's but that makes sense because they're athletes.

1453
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: These people are fake athletes, so they're not.

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Speaker 8: He doesn't belong, but he doesn't belong.

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 7: Well that's that's kind of That was My whole thing

1456
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 7: that we were talking about earlier was that the whole

1457
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 7: issue with this whole scenario is that he was this

1458
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 7: guy was taking scholarship like student athlete scholarships. So like

1459
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 7: I was telling Sarah and everyone in here is I

1460
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 7: wouldn't have gotten into JMU if it wasn't for football.

1461
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 7: So these kids, they're taking scholarships away from kids that

1462
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Speaker 7: really needed even more because that's the only way they're

1463
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 7: going to be able to get the education that they

1464
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 7: want to get by using their athletic skills.

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Speaker 8: The kid I don't think did these kids get scholarships.

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Speaker 8: The one who was supposedly on the crew team, I

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Speaker 8: don't think she got a scholarship. It just got her

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01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 8: application bumps. Yeah, I don't think she was given any

1469
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 8: scholarship dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, she wasn't given money, but I think it takes

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Speaker 2: a spot.

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Speaker 5: It's still a student athlete spot.

1473
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 2: Mark your ear, because I didn't get.

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Speaker 5: A scholarship coming out of college.

1475
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Speaker 1: I was a walk on, but it was still a

1476
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Speaker 1: student taking.

1477
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Speaker 5: There was still a student athlete spot.

1478
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 7: The reason I got in was because of athletics, so

1479
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Speaker 7: they still went under They got into that school under

1480
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 7: the false pretense of them being a student athlete.

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Speaker 5: I have a lot of thoughts on this.

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Speaker 10: When I first heard that this all coming out, my

1483
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 10: thought was, of course, I would do anything for my kid,

1484
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 10: and I would never think I would go to jail

1485
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 10: for get that. But but then when I hear about, Okay,

1486
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 10: so here's how we're going to We're going to pretend

1487
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 10: your child is learning disabled so they can get longer

1488
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 10: to do their SAT, and then they're going to change

1489
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 10: their score anyway. That's when I would have really pulled

1490
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 10: the ripcord at that point, because then it's like, Okay,

1491
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 10: that's this. Now this feels wrong in CD. But as

1492
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 10: far as worrying about who's going I want to jail,

1493
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 10: I would never have considered that because you never hear

1494
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 10: about it. You never hear about these parents going as

1495
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 10: for what they do and why didn't they just give

1496
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 10: them money to the university and pay for a wing

1497
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 10: of a library or something.

1498
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I talked about. Earls, you have bars.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's that's another that's a good point. Someone

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01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 8: asked me yesterday. So how you know it's different than

1501
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 8: if someone buys a wings for Harvard and gets their

1502
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 8: kid in. You know, I don't. So now it's just

1503
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 8: above board. You're still buying your kids way into college.

1504
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee, I think, which is the problem. And

1505
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: this man was one hundred percent. I even read his quote.

1506
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: He was like, in nine hundred, this in nine hundred students, Like,

1507
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: I've one hundred percent.

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01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: Uh guarantee that guarantee. Wow, So like you have to.

1509
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 5: Give he's been in a thousand.

1510
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: Allegedly you have to give like five million plus to

1511
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: ensure that your child, like I mean five million plus,

1512
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: like to a building or a library or or whatever.

1513
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Speaker 2: Like these people were.

1514
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: Just not that it's not that much, but they were giving,

1515
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen twenty FIFTI.

1516
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, what's frustrating is it's never been a level playing

1517
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 10: field for everybody that's.

1518
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: With your song. You have to you have to do

1519
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, payola and all those things. And now you

1520
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: can't do Paola, but now it's like you need to

1521
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 2: do these many things and do this in order to

1522
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: have your one song played so lately, or it's like hey,

1523
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: in the acting world, it's like, well, my my, you know,

1524
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: my dad is this person and so I'm going to

1525
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 2: get in this movie because he knows this person. Or

1526
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the freaking difference?

1527
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 10: Right, it's all who you know. Wealth gets your privileged

1528
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 10: in so many ways. It's never been an even playing field,

1529
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 10: and then they're still gaming this system on top of

1530
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 10: the uneven playing field.

1531
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: Or it's like you already have an advantage, like these

1532
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: people already have. I think that if I think that

1533
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: if we found out it was different families doing this,

1534
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: we might feel different.

1535
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 7: The thing is too, if you if your family was

1536
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 7: in that position once you want to use utilize your

1537
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 7: resources and maximize them as much as you could. Anyone would. Yeah,

1538
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 7: just like anything you get a job, it's about who

1539
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 7: you know and what you know.

1540
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: No, that's I get it. I'm like, I just mostly

1541
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: I just feel bad for these kids. I know.

1542
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,520
Speaker 2: That's what would you think Drew or Shawn would feel, Leslie.

1543
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: If we did that for them and got caught if

1544
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 3: they not not not if you got not even that

1545
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 3: you guys got caught, but they found out that you

1546
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 3: guys did that for them to get in.

1547
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 5: Do you think they would feel the.

1548
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: Way that Sarah is saying like that, You like, oh,

1549
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: you don't think I'm smart enough to get in there?

1550
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I know Sean, and he'd be pissed,

1551
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 8: you'd be pissed.

1552
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: I think he'd probably likes me, okay, And I'm sure

1553
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: that's how half of them are.

1554
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: Half of them probably care, and half of them probably don't.

1555
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: But now it's just the embarrassing. I mean, now it's

1556
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed. You know these kids are not yet.

1557
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 8: Now it's embarrassing. No, you're absolutely right, Barah.

1558
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: There's no way these kids can show up for class today.

1559
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, because now now all the other kids look at it.

1560
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 7: I want off to get in here, paid to get

1561
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 7: in here, like get out of it.

1562
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: But by what you guys.

1563
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 8: One girl, the girl who got into USC, she is

1564
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 8: on her YouTube channel saying, yeah, I don't know how

1565
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 8: often I'm gonna.

1566
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: Go to class. Yeah that's yeah, that's that's Laura Laughlin's daughter.

1567
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: That one kind of like you know she's again partying

1568
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: up on a yacht. So that's what I'm saying is

1569
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 2: that I watched the funny thing. She was like, you

1570
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: people are.

1571
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: Doing this for usc like like.

1572
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 10: But the thing is they're not doing it for their kids.

1573
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 10: They're doing it for themselves.

1574
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: That's what I said, thank you.

1575
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 5: That's maybe.

1576
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking to you, like again, like if

1577
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: Jolie came to if your daughter came to and said, Mom,

1578
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: I really want but I just don't, I'm like, Okay, well,

1579
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: let me let me see what I can do, because

1580
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: I want what I want the best for her. If

1581
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: that's what she wants to go, I would why.

1582
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 10: But the question is why is because she wants that

1583
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 10: great education? Okay, maybe, but it's because my friends are

1584
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 10: going there. They have the best, it's best social stops,

1585
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 10: looks so good on Instagram. Because that's Olivia Jade person.

1586
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 10: I guarantee you she has different motivations.

1587
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 5: I mean, but there are.

1588
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 7: Some kids that are young enough, that are insightful at

1589
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 7: a young age that want to go to a certain

1590
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 7: school because of the education. So if that was the

1591
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 7: case with any of.

1592
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 4: Our kids, but it's just like life.

1593
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: It's like you're not, like, I don't know.

1594
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 5: It just is like a life's not fair.

1595
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, it's just like I mean, I

1596
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: got rejected. I don't know it just like teaches. I

1597
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: don't know, that's what they want to teach their kids.

1598
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 10: Like we try to shield our kids from all failure,

1599
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 10: and now it's kind of become all negative experiences of

1600
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 10: any kind.

1601
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it, yes, but then also too, you

1602
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: know what I've kind of experienced with Jolie is you

1603
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: know she's people are being so mean to her. Even

1604
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: there was a comment on our podcast saying, why don't

1605
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: you pay attention to your daughter? She's three years old

1606
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 2: and acting like one like she has a speech and

1607
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: she has she has speech to like, yes, I haven't

1608
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: been public about that because I'm like, but she's three

1609
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: and we have a speech therapist coming over. But I'm like,

1610
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: but now you're like bullying my child. So now it's

1611
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: now I don't feel like I'm a good I'm like

1612
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: when I I feel like I've failed my daughter somehow?

1613
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: Did I not? You know, I don't know, but I don't.

1614
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: I want her to have the best chances of doing

1615
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: good in school, so I would pay anything to make

1616
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: sure that she's not being bullied and she's going to

1617
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: be properly educated. And I had a.

1618
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 8: Rough mom day yesterday. And it's in the grand scheme

1619
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 8: of things, I'm not going to go into details, but

1620
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 8: in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal.

1621
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 8: But for me, it felt like a total parenting fail

1622
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 8: because it was something that I was doing that was

1623
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 8: enabling behavior and when I got called out on it,

1624
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 8: and called out isn't really the right word. When it

1625
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 8: was brought to my attention, I was like, oh, like,

1626
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 8: that's that's all. Sorry, that's all me. That's me, Like

1627
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 8: I did that.

1628
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: I feel like, but what about when like Sean didn't

1629
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: make the soccer team, Like, did you feel would you.

1630
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 8: Have oh my gosh, would you.

1631
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 4: Go ahead?

1632
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 2: Well like, yeah, would you have paid the coach to

1633
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I want him on the team. But

1634
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: it's the same thing.

1635
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I would you know, I wouldn't. And I'm

1636
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 8: not saying that I would that I would pay to

1637
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 8: get him into Harvard or Yale. I'm not saying that

1638
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 8: I would do that. I'm saying I can totally see

1639
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 8: the motivation. Would I love to talk to the coach

1640
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,879
Speaker 8: and say, hey, dude, like you missed a really good player,

1641
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 8: like he's a strong player. Yes, I would love to.

1642
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 8: And I and the coach even wrote an email and said, hey,

1643
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 8: if you want to know what he needs to work on,

1644
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 8: feel free to reach out. And I was so close

1645
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 8: to doing it, and I thought, you know what, I'm

1646
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 8: not because Sean needs to own that. If Sean wants

1647
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 8: to know why he didn't make the team, he needs

1648
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 8: to own that. But I'm not going to say that

1649
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 8: I didn't sit down and craft an email and then

1650
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 8: delete it.

1651
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my heart would be broken though. If

1652
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: Jolie auditioned for something or tried out for something and

1653
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: didn't get it, I would be balling for her.

1654
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 7: But I would never I would never address the teacher

1655
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 7: of the coach because there's never been a kid that

1656
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 7: has gotten the spot on a team because a parent

1657
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 7: went after the fact and talk.

1658
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 5: To a coach or talk to.

1659
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: Are you to be so upset if Julie tries out

1660
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 2: for let's say she tries out for soccer and doesn't

1661
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: make the soccer team.

1662
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 5: Absolutely it'll suck. I'll feel for but but we all

1663
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 5: went through that. We all went through that.

1664
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: You're going like, you're the best team guy. You're the

1665
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: best example of it right now because every day you're

1666
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: doing you know what I mean, like you're still strong

1667
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: and resilience and she can like a child, and I

1668
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: just want to know.

1669
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 10: We need to build resilience in our children just like that.

1670
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 10: We just want to wrap them in bubble wrap. I

1671
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 10: realize that, but it's it's not long term.

1672
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 8: It's not It is hard. And when you see them disappointed,

1673
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 8: so disappointed, ready for that?

1674
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1675
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 8: I even said to Chris, I'm like, why does it

1676
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 8: bother me so much that he got cut from the team?

1677
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 8: Why do I care?

1678
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: So?

1679
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 8: Why am I so invested? It does matter to me?

1680
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 8: But it does because he was so bummed. But you

1681
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 8: know what, to that kid's credit, he looked at me,

1682
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 8: he goes, I'm trying out again next year.

1683
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 4: I love that.

1684
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 3: I thought myself.

1685
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 4: Good for you, Leslie, look at that though.

1686
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 5: That's a win for you, Chris.

1687
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that says that is a win.

1688
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 5: For you guys.

1689
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 7: The fact that he's willing to take that on the

1690
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 7: chin and say, you know what, next year, I'm going

1691
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 7: out now, I'm going to quit soccer forever and never

1692
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,680
Speaker 7: going to play, So hang your hat on that. That's

1693
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 7: a win for you, guys.

1694
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,799
Speaker 2: Leslie, thank you for letting us call you. I just wanted,

1695
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, some some mom another mom opinion. But love

1696
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: your face tomorrow, see tomorrow, love you guys.

1697
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah tomorrow.

1698
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I think the end of the day

1699
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 2: is we all agree that we just need to do

1700
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: anything Unwrap the bubble. Wrap, wrap the bubble, like even

1701
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 2: when she falls.

1702
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 5: I'm like, kid, actually, no.

1703
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 2: Time out, time out, my girlfriend. I know we need

1704
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: to wrap this up. But my girlfriend Julie, what it

1705
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: was was touring a school and a kid said do

1706
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: you remember what he said?

1707
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 5: Yeah? He called her son like a dwep And.

1708
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 2: If we if somebody it does that in front of

1709
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: my face, Like, what am I going to do?

1710
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 5: Oh?

1711
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,400
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Speaker 5: I not like that one.