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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an all day. Hey everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to episode one, third D four. I'm here with

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Speaker 1: Phil the Engineer. Say hi Phil, Hello Ben, you too.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a while. Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 1: What have you been up to? I was on vacation.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was. It was like, yeah, that was.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I'm not You didn't inform me, No

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Speaker 1: one informed me. I'm not good at vacations. Every time

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Speaker 1: on vacation, I still work and I never relax. That's

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Speaker 1: a curse. It's a curse. What have you been doing?

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Speaker 1: Not a whole lot. I did the the the Plebeians,

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Speaker 1: float on the Madison, Oh yesterday with my with my

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Speaker 1: lovely wife, you know, get away. That was fun. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen your wife in while. How's she doing good?

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Speaker 1: It's a Christmas party. I felt like we heard connection.

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Speaker 1: You think so, yeah, Like it's a friendly connection. Sure,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I felt like we could have had

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Speaker 1: we could have been friends, Like we could hang out.

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Speaker 1: It's possible. I'm not feeling not going to admit it,

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Speaker 1: like couple, not going to admit that it's true. A

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Speaker 1: couple of time, like a couple's date, you've not met

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Speaker 1: my wife. I haven't now see now we're just peeling

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Speaker 1: back the curtain. People think we're like best friends. No,

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Speaker 1: we don't know anything. We try to stay away from

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Speaker 1: each other as much possible. Well one thing, uh, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. We've had a lot of emails lately. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, thanks for everybody. And and I'll just start

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Speaker 1: a little bit of housekeeping for the Great American Outdoors Contest.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of stuff going on. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people have made very long, very intricate videos and

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Speaker 1: some poems. We get some poems filial like that. We

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Speaker 1: got some interesting imagery, no illustrations as of yet, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in there. I want to I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna wait another week. We're gonna go over the winners

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Speaker 1: next week. Hopefully the Great American Outdoors Act will be

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Speaker 1: passed by the Senate about a how sorry by then,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be able to celebrate as we give you

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Speaker 1: that has emailed in already. But we still have a big,

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Speaker 1: a big deal going on. Several people, including our friend

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Speaker 1: ericall have written in to say that we have not

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Speaker 1: talked about what Phils hunt's gonna be, what your first

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Speaker 1: we have avoided it, Phil, What are we gonna do it?

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do this thing. I mean, it's it's inevitable,

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Speaker 1: right is it? I think it is. It's inevitable. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we have a message to you from ericall can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I feel being Eric here. Yeah, I'm listening, jumping here

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Speaker 1: up to a six or seven. Anyways, Phil, you guys

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Speaker 1: tremendous opportunity. I feel like I don't really know what

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Speaker 1: on tet hunter. I kind of grew up doing it.

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Speaker 1: So it's different from me. Different from me to think

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Speaker 1: get a little adrenaline, get your little confidence. What a

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll see it. I mean, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: you out any response officially? Wow, Uh you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: It seem that Eric was mostly interested in your motivations,

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Speaker 1: that you said your numbers go slowly going up. What

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Speaker 1: likes of It's not It's not lost on me that

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Speaker 1: really any upland bird there's dogs, there's you know, plentiful

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, either way, we'll record it all. I

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Speaker 1: now we have what everyone seems to be really enjoying lately,

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Speaker 1: and what I am enjoying Phil's favorite the continuation Episode two.

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Speaker 1: We're now we're now acting like this is its own

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Speaker 1: Sharps not to sharp moments, play the Jago, Phil, Work

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Speaker 1: All right, Phil, we haven't talked about your season two

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Speaker 1: Gets me every time? Yeah, I I just thought it

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Speaker 1: better this year. We promised. Well, thank you to work

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Speaker 1: Sharp for supplying the prizes for all of you. You'll

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Speaker 1: get a work Sharp field sharpener for all of you

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Speaker 1: that we select. If you have some time, go to

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Speaker 1: work Sharp's YouTube page and check out the work Sharp Workshop.

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Speaker 1: Like that Work Sharp Workshop Workshop Workshop. It's a weekly

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Speaker 1: hot tip show about knife sharpening, So if you want

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Speaker 1: And it's true there will be a corner copia. I

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Speaker 1: grasshoppers at the moment and they're just growing and getting bigger.

425
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: So what's the grasshoppers strategy now? Man? So you can

426
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: see today, I don't know if you noticed the chickens

427
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: out wandering the perimeter. We just like we planted about

428
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: a month ago and at our prior residents we had

429
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: slug issues. Chickens are pretty good with slugs. We had

430
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: all these kind of traps and copper and stuff that

431
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: we could keep the slugs off. Well, this hopper thing

432
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: is totally new for us, and last year we had

433
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: an infestation. We thought, man, hopefully that was like this

434
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: flukey thing and it doesn't come around again this year.

435
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: And right now we've got these little quarter to half

436
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: inch grasshoppers and there's a literally I think a billion

437
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: of them in our yard and they're already just crushing

438
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: our garden. So the only really thing we can think

439
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: of doing is getting more birds, like more chickens. We

440
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: got more ducks this year, and we're just turning them loose,

441
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: like we planned on building this kind of like chicken

442
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: run around like a moat around our garden. And just

443
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: this past couple of weeks, I've just let the chickens

444
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of take run of the yard and kind of

445
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: train the dogs to not kill them. And so they're

446
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: out there. Youn't notice they're out there just crushing the

447
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: grasshoppers all day. So we're hoping that makes a difference.

448
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: But we won't know. Is there a grasshopper rut? Do

449
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: we know? My mom said it's so, she said, you

450
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: don't know, Because we had a really bad last year,

451
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: and that was our first year. So she said, you

452
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you're in the second year of the

453
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: third year right now, you're never gonna know. Last year

454
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: that our dogs are trying to like take a run

455
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: through the yard and they would just like slow down. Yeah,

456
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: there's like this, this ocean is parted and it's just

457
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: grasshoppers flying everywhere. Everybody's like gardens that listen. And I think,

458
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: like an increasing amount of people that hunt garden thanks

459
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: to you guys start But I think thanks a lot

460
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: of just it lines up, you know, it's it's just

461
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: a holistic way to eat. So I think for sure,

462
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, every gardener has that problem. We got bowls

463
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: in my house and that's our problem. Like I gotta

464
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: go out and trap bowls. That's mine, that's my daily thing.

465
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: But you have you guys had slugs in Washington, grasshoppers here.

466
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm thirty minutes away and I got bowls. Every gardener

467
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: has a battle. Well, it just goes to show you

468
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: that there's creatures everywhere who are trying to survive as well,

469
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to compete with them

470
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: if you want to take over their space and growing

471
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: it sounds great, and it's like I got this romantic

472
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: thing to it, you know, just grow your own garden,

473
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, you fill that other side of the plate

474
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: with your garden. But it's a lot of work. Yeah,

475
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean I look at my garden right now today

476
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: and I see like a week's worth of things that

477
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: I should be doing out there, and uh, you know,

478
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: weeding and figuring all these things out. But it's a

479
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: ton of work, but it's so well worth it. You like,

480
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: harvesting that stuff all summers. And I found out that Ryan,

481
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: you also, I hate Costco. They're not a sponsor, thank you,

482
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: but I hate them. Yeah. It's had to go a

483
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: few times the summit. We need a lot of food

484
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: and you can't buy in bulk like that anywhere but Costco,

485
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, Costwise unless you we ordered from Amazon like

486
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: six months ago or whatever. Yeah. I like to torture

487
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: myself every time and go like, oh I went to Costcow.

488
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I gotta sadly eat a corn dog all the way

489
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: out again, a piece of pizza. Pizza. Well, and like

490
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: you've been on the same way. I wouldn't try to

491
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: avoid any grocery store if at all possible, So yeah,

492
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: the garden fits into that, honey fits into that. Try

493
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: to feel both sides of the plate, canning all those

494
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: type things as much as you can do to not

495
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: have to go to the store as often. I want

496
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to do that. I'd rather du these things at home.

497
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: And we were really close in Washington. We had a

498
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: large greenhouse. UM. You know, growing season was basically from

499
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: a role and drew November sometimes depending on what the

500
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: food was. UM. We we literally were by just buying

501
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: staples at the grocery store. UM. And we thought we

502
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: were going to replicate that here. First moved here, you know.

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Talking about emails, We talked about emails earlier from listeners.

504
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: I got an email from a woman who I think

505
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: she lived up somewhere my kel Spill or something, and

506
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: she had moved, she had moved to a different state,

507
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: and she said, well, good luck growing cabbages in Montana,

508
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: because that's all you're going to be able to grow.

509
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean, she was like seemed mad. It was like

510
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: mad that we moved to Montana and that we were

511
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: going to be screwed now we were not going to

512
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: be able to grow anything. Should you know. I showed

513
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: her in that email and I was like, jeez, and

514
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: now I almost feel like I totally understand you. I'm like, people,

515
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: stay out of Montana. If you want to a tomato,

516
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: go to Missoula. Missoula it has the hippie reputation and

517
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: crunchy reputation because you can actually grow vegetables there, which

518
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah. I think we laughed at that email

519
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: originally and now we completely understand there. There are difficulties.

520
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: I saw I was doing. I was looking around about

521
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: you guys, and uh, I saw you at one point

522
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: had a a canning class that you did or like

523
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: a canning seminar. Yep, we have a book. We did

524
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: a dehydration canning book. But we've also done talks on

525
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: it to try to promote it and kind of talk

526
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: about what it is. UM. We did a few little

527
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: uh seminars at Yakamal talking about it. We have we

528
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: have definitely talked. We just kind of talked about the

529
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: whole lifestyle. People are very interested in this, like the

530
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: fact that my husband, like, don't look at me, I

531
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: am not the caunter in this family. He is the canter.

532
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Like he he got into that years ago just from UM.

533
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: A big thing that we don't like, you know, is

534
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: food waste. And as you probably know as well just

535
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: having a podcast and talking to a lot of people,

536
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: food waste is huge in our country especially. We probably

537
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: throw more food away than we actually consume. And so

538
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: when you grow a garden and you hobble this food,

539
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you you know for sure him he's growing way

540
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: more than we can actually eat as a family of four.

541
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: So what we can't give away and what comes out.

542
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: His thing was like, well, wasting this food or whatever,

543
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: let's try to find way. So, like you know, with

544
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: the beats we have here, you know, that's was a

545
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: great way we could keep our beats because beats are

546
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: hard to keep all year round, you know. It's just

547
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: it got to potato, the same thing. You'd start canning that,

548
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of became an obsession. And

549
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: then it was like canning or preserving everything. And then

550
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: we got into dehydration um and keeping food that way.

551
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: And he was mainly doing that for like his back

552
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: country trips, and and then he got into this thing

553
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: where like I'm not buying any more back country food.

554
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to make all my own food. And so

555
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: he's really into that. And then I did. I just

556
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: did an e book that we have on our website,

557
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: and I had just taken pictures for years of our gardens,

558
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: of him, of us Um, and of all the food,

559
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: and then we make the recipes and then it was like, oh, well,

560
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: all these foods that we're using in the herbs and

561
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: all this stuff we're growing, they all have medicinal value.

562
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: And so then the book had like each food like

563
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: what its medicinal properties were and why you would want it.

564
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: And so that was kind of our very first attempt

565
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: at well it's our first book in our last book.

566
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: So actually he went um elk hunting, and that book

567
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: came out in September, so you can imagine what I

568
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: was doing all of September. So he wasn't doing a

569
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: lot of marketing. Yeah, yeah, he was elk hunting. So

570
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I was pulling my hair out creating an e book

571
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: by myself without our garden. But it's been very well received.

572
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just little things like that to

573
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: help people get more information. And while actually the food

574
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: and the food preservation has become a really huge piece

575
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: of our platform, which we didn't. We had no idea

576
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: it was going to be a big yeah. I mean,

577
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: you guys talk about it, capsulate things like the lifestyle platform,

578
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the brands, brands, you've created, the stuff that you've done.

579
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's amazing to me that one that

580
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: you do what you do, you live a lifestyle you do,

581
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: but then you're you know, dedicated to teaching other people

582
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: bring them along. I mean, you just had twenty some

583
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: people here for your Western Hunting Summit. People travel around

584
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: from eighteen different states when it's come to really take parts.

585
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: So that's that's the tangible version of what you guys

586
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: do on a daily basis in a lot of ways.

587
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Can you explain kind of how how that came to be?

588
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think people would want to know what

589
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: is the lifestyle if you would explain to someone. And

590
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: then how did you come to want to teach people? Yeah? Gosh, um,

591
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: I think, uh so how do you start? It's a

592
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: long answer. It's a long answer. Um. As Hill mentioned,

593
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: prior to the food waste thing has always been an

594
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: issue for me. I don't know why. I don't know

595
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: where it came from. Um, Like, not many things bothering me.

596
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty chill about most things, but when I see

597
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: food wasteither's out of my garden or anything. And I

598
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: think that's especially true with if you've grown your own,

599
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: you pay attention to it way more uh than if

600
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you just buy it. If you buy it and it

601
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: comes and goes, it's cheap. But if you grow your

602
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: own or your hunt your own, you've put all this

603
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: sweat equity into it. Food waste is huge, like I

604
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: just you just don't want it, so you get creative

605
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: on how to preserve it and rie it, put it up,

606
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: sup it, make sure that nothing really goes to waste.

607
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously we have chickens now, so any

608
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: waste that we do get hopefully goes out and we

609
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: recover it there. But I think, uh, you know, I've

610
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: always just enjoyed that part, and it's hillary that that

611
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: is kind of, you know, pushed me into, well, let's

612
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: show other people how to do these things, because canning,

613
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it wasn't something I did as a

614
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: little guy or anything like that, but my dad has

615
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: always been a big time gardener, and I used to

616
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: repel against gardening. It looked like the biggest waste of time.

617
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: He's out the pulling rocks and all I want to

618
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: be doing is going catching steelhead on the Skycomish River

619
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: and and um, you know, hunting your fishing, and I

620
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: just felt like, what a waste of time for some

621
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: salad you know that's a T shirt. And then sometimes

622
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: and then somewhere some way he uh he like it

623
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: was it's in my DNA. So I uh, I got

624
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: into the gardening thing and realized it wasn't a waste

625
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: of time at all. You really just you fall in

626
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: love with it, and there's so much to dive into,

627
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: and you know, getting into um kind of dialing in

628
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: soils and and then you get into this whole other

629
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: thing of how do you preserve it all so you

630
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: don't waste any of it because you want to grow

631
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: more than you need and um. And then it just

632
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of when we started the podcast, it felt like,

633
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: why don't I just like share this thing that we do.

634
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll help other people, um, you know, not just

635
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: teaching people the hunting aspect or how to hunt better

636
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: or help adult onset people hunt better. But there's this

637
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: whole other side of the plate that you got to

638
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: talk about. And quite honestly, I get just as excited

639
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: about gardening and preserving food than I need about hunting.

640
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: And so I think it was with hills knowledge. You know,

641
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: she's much smarter than I am been and she's only

642
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: wrote the book, you know, it's her kind of pushes

643
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: the obook, like, well, let's teach this and let's let's

644
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: talk about this more and through the podcast. That's kind

645
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: of what we've done, and um, people have really taken

646
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: to it, and it's really cool to see others. You

647
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: get all these pictures of people doing their own meal

648
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: prep and cannying and they're excited about it, or just

649
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: starting a garden and so, you know, I spend night

650
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: hours and night answering garden questions. It's way more that

651
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: than it is hunting questions, which is pretty interesting and

652
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: it it was totally unforeseen when we when we started this,

653
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: but um talking about soils and what the plant, how

654
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: how much you should plant in those type things. It

655
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: mainly started because I had a job where I was

656
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: dealing with social media a lot and stuff and this

657
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: is kind of you know, four or five years ago,

658
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: Instagram wasn't quite as hot as it is now, but

659
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: there was a really I noticed, um, a big community

660
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: of hunters on Instagram which I found really interesting. And

661
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: like we had talked earlier, you know, Ryan and I

662
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: come from very different backgrounds about hunting, and he had

663
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: so many stories. Um, you know, all these animals that

664
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: you see here that each have a story, and nobody

665
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: else heard those stories. Sometimes I didn't even hear him

666
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: because I had a problem with hunting for probably over

667
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: a decade of our marriage. So he would come home

668
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: not even tell me the story, you know. So he

669
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: was sharing those stories basically his dad and his cousin

670
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: living those stories. Because he's predominantly a solo hunter. He's

671
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: quite introverted and I wouldn't call him shy anymore, but

672
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: he used to be shy um, and so sharing things

673
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: like that, it just wasn't really on his radar. It

674
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: wasn't like he needed to go out and tell everybody

675
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: these stories. And you know, he didn't even get these

676
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: big animals, and there's just like no bragging, none of

677
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: that going on. It was none of that. It was

678
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: just the experience. And for him it's it's just you know,

679
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: talking about d n A. It's just um, it's just

680
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: part of his DNA the whole, like hunting and being alone.

681
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know anybody that can spend that much

682
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: time alone and just feel totally good all the time.

683
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: So so I saw this culture and I was like,

684
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you should share some of this stuff.

685
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: And he hated social media. Dude, he had a Facebook

686
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: page and he never posted on and he was like,

687
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: such a waste of time. I don't want anything to

688
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: do with that. And I said, well, he didn't even

689
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: know what hashtag was, like nothing. I was like, well,

690
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: you go in hashtag, like what is a hashtag? Like

691
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, And so I said, you know, we're

692
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: just going to go to a coffee shop on one

693
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: of my lunch breaks and we're gonna sit down. We're

694
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: just gonna open you on Instagram page. And so Stealthy Hunter,

695
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: it was just I just came up with this name.

696
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: I said, let's just call it this because you're kind

697
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: of healthy, you're kind of crunchy, but you're stealthy, you know,

698
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: because he's he's quiet, and he's kind of scary in

699
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: a way because he's not the guy that you're is

700
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: going to come and get in your face. He's the

701
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: guy that's going to sneak up on you and you're

702
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: not gonna know what hit you. There was a running joke.

703
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: So well, it came a little bit. It came mainly

704
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: because I had um so this other job that I had.

705
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: I had three business partners. They were all men, and

706
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: we would They would randomly joke about, well, we would

707
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: never mess with Hillary because we'll just wake up one

708
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: day and have an arrow on our back. Like they

709
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: just had this thing like, just don't mess with Ryan.

710
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: He's super cool, super chill, and you would never know

711
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: what hit you, like it would just be done right.

712
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: Nobody's He's not gonna get your face and that kind

713
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I just it was a running joke.

714
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: So I said, hey, how about Stealthie Hunter? And I

715
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: wrote his first post. If you want to go way

716
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: back there in the day, I said, this is how

717
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: you write the post. And I picked one of the

718
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: pictures I liked that I really liked, and then we

719
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: hashtagged it and we didn't have a podcast then. I

720
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: don't remember. I'd have to look back. I mean, it

721
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: was probably super simple. I didn't even really know that

722
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: much either. Back then. I feel like hashtags just started

723
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: getting like huge, you know. So we did that and

724
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: then he just randomly would post things and um, he

725
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: would post his hunt and stuff like that. And then

726
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: we decided and we did some train to hunts together

727
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: and that was a really big community for us because

728
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: it brought me into the community. So prior to that,

729
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I was pretty Um, I wasn't anti hunting, but I

730
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: really didn't care about it and it really was not

731
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: on my rader. And I had a had a stereotype

732
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: about hunters, which is weird because my husband's hunter. How

733
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: did that work for How that work for you? You

734
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: just kind of kept it out of the conversation. Yeah,

735
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: it got to that point yea, which is interesting because

736
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: we met at a fishing lodge and that she knew

737
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: like in Alaska, my outdoor, like I just loved it

738
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: so much, and she knew that about me, and she

739
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: knew that when in the fall would come around and

740
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: I would I would be in the mountains. But yeah,

741
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: we I feel like opposite to tract and that's kind

742
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: of why we, you know, work so well together and

743
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: over time, you know, gosh, we've been married twenty three years. Eventually,

744
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't take that long, but we see

745
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: each other's sides. So she came to see what I

746
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: got out of hunting, and I come to see what,

747
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, what she had opposition to with it, and

748
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: see you kind of meat in the middle there and

749
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: um over time, but it's not quick. And I talked

750
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: about quite talk about this quite a bit, Like I've

751
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: been on Randy Newark's podcasts about marriage, and like people

752
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: think I'm like some marriage authority because I've been able

753
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: to live with a hunter who like hunts a lot.

754
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: You know three he hunts a lot. He's not he

755
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: when I married him, he hunted mule deer in October

756
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: and turkeys in the spring. Since I've lived I can't

757
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: even tell you know what once he hunts. You know,

758
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: January was off month because we can have a baby

759
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: out of hunting season. Our daughter fortunately was born in January.

760
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: There's nothing in January. You're gonna be home. Now. He

761
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: goes cous deer hunting in Arizona. So who's Randy knew

762
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: work of all people. So it's like, damn it, Randy.

763
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: It's like it's like so now you know. But that

764
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: being said, I I was not that supportive of it,

765
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: and and he struggled with it, and I struggled with it.

766
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: And it's probably more was my upbringing. It was more

767
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: my misconception. And I have a whole blog on a

768
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: whole podcast on my journey of understanding him and understanding

769
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: that he is not doing it's hard to spite me

770
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: and that I have to. I had to come to

771
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: the scripts of like, why is that I hate hunting

772
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: so bad? Do? I? Actually I'm actually a scientist. I mean,

773
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: I've dissected human bodies, Like you know, I kind of

774
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: enjoy that type of you know, to me skinning an

775
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: animal and that it's like the fresh dead animal that

776
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: kind of freaks me out. But that's because you know,

777
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I but I the whole idea of doing the other

778
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: So it's actually kind of intriguing to me. But I

779
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: think I was. I think I just had that fear

780
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and with him, it was also something that took him

781
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: away from me. And this is the calm and complaint

782
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: you see from especially young women, where they just do

783
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: this thing like my husband wants to leave me and

784
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: be with hunting, and and I feel that I wholeheartedly

785
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: get it. And you can't really tell anybody until they've

786
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: lived through it long enough to know that that's not

787
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: necessarily the truth. Now, I will say there's a lot

788
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: men are just more selfish by nature, Randy says us

789
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, he gave our guys this

790
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: kind a bit of a lash in on the whole man,

791
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: the wife and stuff, and like what you should be doing,

792
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of eyeballs in there were like you know,

793
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: uncle Ran always good. But but at the same time,

794
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: it's it's women. I just always tell the women when

795
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I get these emails from young women, multiple children at home,

796
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: their husband's working all the time, and then on the

797
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: weekend he wants to hunt and they're on the verge

798
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: of leaving him. I mean, since I put that podcast out,

799
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: it's it's really common. I just say, listen, honey, like

800
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: either you guys are young, you need to communicate um

801
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: or you need to just find something that makes you happy,

802
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: because he's doing something that makes him happy. And I

803
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: know it's hard when you have little children. It just

804
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: really doesn't apply because you have little children. And this

805
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: is where I say to guys, like your wife's emotional

806
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: state is your responsibility, Like if you think that she's

807
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: going to stay home all week with children, which you

808
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: say is like the job in the world. It's not

809
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: the hardest. Job's awful. If you're listening to this and

810
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: you're a husband and you're like, no, just take care

811
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: of it, it's awful. It's torture. You don't don't even

812
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: get to go to the bathroom by yourself. You don't

813
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: get a shower by yourself. In the country, it's like

814
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: being in the back country if you had in the

815
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: tent or like two crackheads that you never know what

816
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, and they're just like always pooping everywhere.

817
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. And you're like, I want to

818
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: do something for myself. Good luck, you might get to

819
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: that a week from now. So I just say, when

820
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: you have young family, you have young children at home,

821
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: your wife is young too, and she's not emotionally mature

822
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: enough yet, and you're not emotionally mature yet, it's hard.

823
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: It's just simple and and so find something you love

824
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: to do, whatever that is, find something for yourself so

825
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: that you don't that you know. Now, Ryan and I

826
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: are at an age where, um, it's more logistics. Now

827
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: it's more like, Okay, well you're gonna leave for twelve days.

828
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: I've I've got this, and how do we manage that

829
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: because he's he's a good guy and he loves to

830
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: do that stuff, and I really don't have any problem

831
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: with it. My problems are more I think it comes

832
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: more to out respect and we have garment now, which

833
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: when we first started this, it was like, Okay, see

834
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: you later. I'll be home in two weeks. And if

835
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't come back in two weeks, give me three

836
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: more days. If I don't show up in three more days,

837
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: maybe send a search party out for me. Like there

838
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: was no like there's no communication like there is now.

839
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: So women are kind of really spoiled. Now if their

840
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: guy will invest in that, then they can actually get communication.

841
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: That's sat texting, You get that app on your phone,

842
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: and that is piece of yeah, and we've you know.

843
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: So when we started this, it was more like we

844
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: started trained to hunt. And what happened to me is

845
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: it actually took other people outside of our marriage that

846
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: we're in the community for me to see that actually

847
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: this community i'd say community, I just say maybe it's

848
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: the Western hunting community is probably different than like the

849
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: white tail hunting community. Like I don't really know, but

850
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, we we were in the Western hunting community,

851
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: so trained to hunt, um, common suffering, um, camaraderie, community

852
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: and everybody. It was family oriented. Everybody's wives were there.

853
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: Everyone's cheering each other on. And I was like, Wow,

854
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: these aren't a bunch of asshole rednecks who just want

855
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: to kill stuff. I was like, these are like, I mean,

856
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: people are crying at their words sentiment, Guys are hugging

857
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: each other, Like, this is not stuff that I witnessed

858
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: in my husband's life, Like he has a family that's

859
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, just the way the men are they're conservative

860
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: with each other or there's not like downright hugging each other.

861
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: I grew up in a very like touchy feeling family,

862
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: so to me, I always thought there's something wrong with

863
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: your family. But that's just how the men in his

864
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: life were raised. That's how he was raised. So when

865
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: we went to train to hunt, we just we made friends.

866
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: We made community. It opened these guys up, and it

867
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: opened me up to see, Wow, if Ryan is going

868
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: to be around people like this, this is awesome. Um like,

869
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: and we needed a community together, which we didn't have

870
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: before that. It was me in school and my very

871
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: very liberal educated academia community and Ryan worked in the

872
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: fishing industry, and he was like around dudes all day

873
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: that fished and haunted, so that was his community. And

874
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: really we just had a home together, and eventually we

875
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: had children together, and we didn't really have a community

876
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: together because we didn't know how to blend those two.

877
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: So Hunt Harvest Health this is like a really long

878
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: way to get to the story, but Hunting Harvest Health

879
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: came out of that experience with Trained to Hunt, and

880
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: he said, let's do a podcast. And I was like, dude,

881
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear me talk in the hunting industry.

882
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: And when I said that, my my intentions were, Okay,

883
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: let's do this podcast together to be kind of cool

884
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: to do this thing. But um, really what I wanted

885
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: to do was bring my community, which I feel like,

886
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of dude, bunch of hunters. These

887
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: guys that want to do this thing. Um, you know,

888
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: they want to do this thing for as long as

889
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: they can. We absolutely love going into the mountains, but

890
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: let's face it, a lot of us get these overuse injuries.

891
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: We have issues not healthy. You know, health isn't maybe

892
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: a top priority, maybe not in the best of shape.

893
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Both in both ways, they treat it like two weeks

894
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: prior to do a little bit of liken Um like

895
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: her like her genius is helping people with their nutrition

896
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: and helping people, um with their inflammation and be able

897
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: to live better a better quality of life. So how

898
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: about introduce her group or her you know intelligence with

899
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: that into my group and we all want to just

900
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: hunt longer we want It's like that at is what

901
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: we say. We want to hunt till we're eighty, but

902
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: we want to hunt this way right now until we're eighty.

903
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: And so um. You know, she's just so educated on

904
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: health and nutrition and all those things. For some reason,

905
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: she's become like this test ast, her own expert through

906
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: all this because it's all, man, it's a bunch of

907
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: hunting podcast. If you would have told me ten years

908
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: ago I was going to have a hunting podcast, I

909
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: would have laughed in your face sort of like you're crazy.

910
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: And now I'm talking to like eighty five percent guys

911
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: in the hunting space and it's fun and it's crazy

912
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: because the questions that you get asked that they're asking

913
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: it for a reason, and prior to as doing this,

914
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: maybe those questions didn't get answered. So now Um, we've

915
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: made it like her easily available to just ask her

916
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: questions or she can answer questions through the podcast. But

917
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's benefited our community a ton and Um,

918
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: I think both sides have benefited so well. We also sorry,

919
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: but my master plan was to get hurt and then

920
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: she takes over the point and then he doesn't have

921
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: to do with podcast. Here's something I think, here's something

922
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: we need to examine. This may help you, Hillary, this

923
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: may not. You may have already went through this. But

924
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I I did this a little bit of my own life.

925
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: The first year my in his life, I was out

926
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: the door, like doing things I had never dreamed about, right,

927
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: hunts and things, and like I got addicted to it

928
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: and I didn't I knew I was addicted to it,

929
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: but I didn't care. And I always rationalize it. I'd say, like, honey,

930
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm better when i'm here, if i'm here less days,

931
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: and I'm mentally I'm happy and I'm mentally okay, and

932
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: this like this weird comfort blanket that's out there that

933
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: that's like challenge, and it makes life seem easier when

934
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm here. All of a sudden, I'm not mad when

935
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the in traffic on the way to work,

936
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: because it's way easier doing that than it is going

937
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: a mile and a half down to get water, and

938
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: h I can back up the camp. It's like I

939
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: had that for a while. But that's a I'm sure

940
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: you've experienced it and you still experience it. That's a

941
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: fine line to walk to try to maintain, to say

942
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: like this is good for me. I need to be

943
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: out there and need to be alone. I need to

944
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: be testing myself, but I also need to be home,

945
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: and I gotta balance those things. I used to say

946
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: that you're lucky if you can balance two things you love,

947
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make it any easier. It certainly doesn't

948
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: make it any easier. Yeah, it almost takes the spouse,

949
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, I knew that I was

950
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: a better person when i'd be back home after extended

951
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: trips and some suffering and all that kind of thing,

952
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: but um kind of takes your spouse to notice that.

953
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: You can't really tell them, well, I'm going to be

954
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: a better person. But that was something that when you

955
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: were talking originally, I'm like, was it a show or

956
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: tell thing? Like I think noticing it in me, Like

957
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: I would come back from a trip and I'd just

958
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: be I'd be not so stressed out, I'd be a happier,

959
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: more loving with the kids, you know, just a better

960
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: person in general. With um all that energy. I just

961
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: kind of left on the mountain and you know, I

962
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: come from Washington State. You know, we were in traffic

963
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: all the time, and you're sitting in line. I feel

964
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: like you're always gonna line and then you know, long

965
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: days at work you have to have an outlet or yeah,

966
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: just kind of so stressful. It sucks. What's frustrating I

967
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: think for the woman is I think if if most

968
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: women actually got down to it, it's not that you

969
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: guys growing hunting. It's that you're going and you're getting

970
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: a break and you're getting that peace of mind that

971
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: we don't get. Because when that's what I said, like,

972
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: if your wife is home with little kids, it's totally different.

973
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: Now my kids are five and eleven, they're much more independent. Um,

974
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: you know, I can tell them to go to bed

975
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: and go to sleep in their own bed and and

976
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: they listen to me. I know, problems with that, but

977
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: it's different than little babies. So I hear these women,

978
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, um like a patient today. He told me

979
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: he has four boys under the age of eight. Okay,

980
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: so imagine his wife and you're gonna now say to her, honey,

981
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: I gotta go feel better about myself. This is the

982
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: only one to leave. That is really hard for a

983
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: woman who knows she is not going to get a

984
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: break now at all for the next five, ten, twelve days,

985
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: however long you're gone. And she's just like, great, well,

986
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: when do I get a break? When do I get

987
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: a break? And the difference with way women are wired

988
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: when they have little children is Ryan will always say

989
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: to me, We'll go go do something, then I'll come back.

990
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: You go for a week with your girlfriends. It's really

991
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: hard to do that when you have one maybe a

992
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: baby on your boob, that's really hard to do. Um.

993
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: If you've got little children, they're into mommy. There's a

994
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: certain age where they just need mommy, and as a woman,

995
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: you even feel guilty. So he doesn't ever leave and

996
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: sit up on the mountain and think, God, I just

997
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. Maybe tell me if you do. I

998
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: just miss my kids. I gotta get back. Is she

999
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: like paying the bills? Is everything? Okay, are the kids

1000
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: being taken care of? He doesn't think like that because

1001
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: he's like, she's got taken care of. That's how women think.

1002
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: If I leave for a week, I'm thinking to myself,

1003
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: not not much anymore. But when they're a little I'm thinking, like,

1004
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: is the baby staying up all night? Is are things working?

1005
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: And and women just were just wired to worry about

1006
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: our children. And so when a guy says, well, you

1007
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: can go do your thing, it's just not the same

1008
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't actually physically, mentally actually detach

1009
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: where he can. And that's the hormonal piece of it.

1010
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I think that's why women,

1011
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: if you really want to get down to it, I

1012
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: think that's why they get so frustrated because they just

1013
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: know that's not in the cards for them for a while.

1014
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: And then you keep having them. It's just it's just

1015
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: not going to happen for a long time. So I

1016
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: think that I just tell guys, like, do the simple things.

1017
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: And I said this on Randy's podcast, like you guys

1018
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: think we're really complicated, Like we're so complicated that we

1019
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: need all this stuff. Maybe some women are. I'm not.

1020
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm like my husband sends me a bouquet of flowers

1021
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: in a picture every single back country trippy house he

1022
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: posted on Instagram, which is a huge thing for me

1023
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: because it's saying to the world like, I respect my wife,

1024
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: I care about her, and I thought about her enough

1025
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: to to to do this, And before there was Instagram,

1026
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: he did it with a picture, so a back country

1027
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: bokay or whatever, and that's what we call it, the

1028
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: back country bokay. And if I don't get it, I'm

1029
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of like, it is hard to track down, especially

1030
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: in this country. With me, I just I just think, like, Okay,

1031
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: he took that time, and you know, back in the

1032
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: old days, I didn't have that, We didn't have that capability,

1033
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: and he was probably younger and maybe he wasn't even

1034
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: thinking like that then. But me being more open to

1035
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: him going and having the experience now makes him more

1036
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: willing to give me what I want. And this is

1037
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: this is what I tell gals, is like, if you

1038
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: are horrible to him and you're mean to him every

1039
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: time he comes home and you're in a fit, and

1040
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: he has to walk into that mess and he's felt

1041
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: so great and he's so excited and he can't tell

1042
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: you his story, which was me for ten years. Okay,

1043
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: you're you're not going to be happier. He's not going

1044
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: to give you what you want, because you know how

1045
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: human nature is. You keep doing this thing where you think,

1046
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: if I do this, he'll give me what I want

1047
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: or she'll give me what I want if I keep

1048
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: acting like this. The truth is like in my marriage,

1049
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: if I keep acting like that, he just starts going

1050
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: like that. He does not giving me what I want.

1051
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: If I give him what he wants, I take a

1052
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: step in, which I have a very hard type doing

1053
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: I am. I am funny in that way. I am

1054
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: a step in type of person for work, maybe just

1055
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: the work I do. I have a lot of compassion.

1056
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm like this person that really wants to help people.

1057
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: But in my relationship with him, it's hard for me

1058
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: to step in because I feel like because I'm a

1059
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: woman and I'm wired like, well, you should read my mind,

1060
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: that's my favorite part. And he's like, I'm a man

1061
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: and I don't read. You know what I'm thinking that

1062
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: in the paper towels both those two things. What you're

1063
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: described is my life right now. I think it's every

1064
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: guy's life. I think that's my life right now. And

1065
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: it's just like they you. I always say, I have

1066
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: to be good at like so many things. And sometimes

1067
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: when i'm I come home, my god, had a really

1068
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: gooday of work. My god, that was the best podcast,

1069
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: so many downloads. I'm just I'm the best, and I

1070
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: get home like, shit, you're not the best. I'm not

1071
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: the best now. I'm actually the worst now as soon

1072
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: as I'm walking the door. And that's a tough thing

1073
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: to do, and specifically to like feeling better when you're

1074
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: not there, man, that's that's a tough reality. Or like

1075
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: feeling good or you know, not that be feeling better

1076
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: maybe that way, but like finding this outlet that's not

1077
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: with your kids and your wife, that's a tough thing

1078
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: to to really to realize. And but it's like, this

1079
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: is true, and how am I ever going to balance this? Right?

1080
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: How am I ever going to tell these people I'm

1081
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: better when I'm not with you? How they were gonna

1082
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: understand that? It's impossible to articulate it is. It's very

1083
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: tough part of it too. Yeah, Like I think all

1084
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: these things I've missed in his life that I was

1085
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: never a part of you know that that sometimes makes

1086
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: me think, like I don't really know him because I've

1087
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: missed all these like really eventful moments and like every

1088
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: time he pulls the trigger or you know, let's that

1089
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: arrow go, like I wasn't there for that experience, Like

1090
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's like with him. But now

1091
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: that he's doing films, he has a totally different look

1092
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: on his face when he's on when he's on the camera,

1093
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: meaning he's in the back country, his face looks different.

1094
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: He looks calmer. He like I told Gritty Brian call

1095
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I told Gritty, I was like the first time I

1096
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: watched Ryan in a video series that Gritty made, I

1097
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: never got to see those moments ever. I never got

1098
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: to be in that moment where he was like right

1099
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: there and things were happening. I never got to see

1100
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: the experience. And so I mean I just texted Gritty

1101
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, if nobody ever watches these things,

1102
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: thank you for doing these because it's made me and

1103
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: my girls see their dad in what he absolutely lives for.

1104
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Because prior to this, we just didn't get that experience.

1105
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: And that's what you miss when he comes home and

1106
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: he has that glow and you're like, I missed out

1107
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: on that. I don't even know what that is. And

1108
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: you have to be a really mature person to to

1109
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: be happy for that, because it's it's like this piece

1110
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: of you that's like he doesn't have that with me,

1111
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that look with me. And so when

1112
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: I saw those films, I just thought, I got to

1113
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: we get to see that now, and um, it's helpful.

1114
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: It's really helpful. And you can articulated like this a

1115
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: so many people, and it's kind of like the the

1116
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: trope that we tried it as the American you know,

1117
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: the American the American life where I go off to working,

1118
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm miserable, right, I trudge off to my job. I

1119
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: come back and I'm I'm more miserable when I come

1120
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: home than when I left. It's a blessing to say, like, hey,

1121
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: when I leave and I come back, I'm better, because

1122
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, all of us have to leave at at

1123
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: some level unless there's quarantine, of course, but but I

1124
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: think that's that's something that I've always realized, like this is,

1125
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're incredibly lucky to be able to both

1126
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: of you. And I think my wife and I had

1127
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: say incredibly lucky to be able to say I am

1128
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: incredibly like to walk out at the doors like I

1129
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: love this, And that's really again back to the I'm

1130
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: trying to bounce two things I love rather than balance

1131
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: one thing I hate to the other thing I love.

1132
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: And that's like that relationship is well, I think the

1133
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: lesson and we we've as we've matured in our relationship

1134
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: and what we try to tell couples, because this is

1135
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: a really common question, you know, this conversation we're having

1136
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: right now, I never got talked about. I feel like

1137
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: hunting was this thing and you never saw the spouses,

1138
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: You never saw what the woman was going through you.

1139
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: And I tell you now, I've gotten so many emails

1140
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: from women distraught, they don't know what to do with themselves.

1141
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: And this has been so common and it's just been ignored.

1142
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: And I think as we've gotten older and more mature,

1143
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, is we just we just want people to say,

1144
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: like just be hot, like you just said, like be

1145
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: mature enough to look past yourself and to realize that

1146
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: your partner is fulfilled in their life and they're doing

1147
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: what makes them happy. Because if you see them when

1148
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: they're miserable, how many people complain about their partner just

1149
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: being a miserable wreck all the time, and then they

1150
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: start drinking too much and and they start addictions, and

1151
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: they make horrible mistakes and they do stupid stuff. And

1152
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: that's not the experience that I have with Ryan. You know,

1153
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: we've all made mistakes. And at the same time, it's like,

1154
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: let's get real about what he's doing and how it's

1155
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: actually affecting our family. And it's all positive. It's all positive.

1156
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: So you have to you have to be a bigger

1157
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: person to look outside what you're not getting and realize

1158
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: that that person is their own person outside of the family.

1159
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm my own person outside of my children, which can

1160
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: be really hard for children to separate from. Men have

1161
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: a much easier time doing that. Um women don't. And

1162
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: and I will tell my women patients like you are

1163
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: actually separate from your children. I know that's hard for

1164
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: you to hear, but someday your children will be grown

1165
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: and gone, just like you were with your parents, just

1166
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: like I was with my parents. And where are you

1167
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: going to be standing And what is your relationship like

1168
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: with your spouse, because you know, hopefully Ryan and I

1169
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: are going to be together long after our children are grown.

1170
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: And I know where he's going to want to be

1171
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: when he has that freedom. I'm not exactly sure where

1172
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to be because I spent a lot of

1173
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: my older life being a mother and that's a he

1174
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: has this, so you know, there's different stages of life.

1175
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like we'll be able to navigate those

1176
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: things because we have a common respect for each other.

1177
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: And and that's really I think the word it comes

1178
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: down to a lot of couples don't respect each other.

1179
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: Men need respect. Just having worked now with men a lot,

1180
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: if you respect a man, he'll pretty much like do

1181
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: anything for you. It's just like a friend. If you

1182
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: have a friend who you really respect and really respects you,

1183
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 1: even if your ideas are not the same, you'll pretty

1184
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: much do anything for that guy, right Like you'll carry

1185
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: an elk off the mountain, You'll go help him with

1186
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: a flat tire, You'll take care of his kids if

1187
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: you need to, like um, And I think the respect

1188
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: is is a is a big issue, and in marriage,

1189
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: it's alarming how many people do not respect each other.

1190
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: I hear the stories women do not respect their husbands men.

1191
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: They just don't know what to think not even respect

1192
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: their wife. They just like they're so selfish, they're so

1193
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: self absorbed. It's all about me, and they wonder why

1194
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: their wife is losing her mind and why she's depressed,

1195
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: and why she has to be on in a depressance

1196
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: and why she's not sleeping. And people come in with

1197
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: all these health issues. I tell you of it, you

1198
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: get down to it. It's some sort of emotional issue

1199
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: that they have, and it's usually related to a relationship,

1200
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: whether it's a spouse or a parent or a child.

1201
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: And so these are all things that just follow us

1202
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: through our through our life. And I feel fortunate that

1203
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: we were able to and and it happened because I

1204
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: chose to like step in instead of conly like you

1205
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: fix it. I decided to step in when we got

1206
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: exposed to train to hunt and I was like, maybe

1207
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: I need to really actually learn more about this, and

1208
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: then bam, I had a hunting podcast. That's how everybody,

1209
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: but there's there's an interesting part of that where there

1210
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: there's Hunting is often like the bridge to things for you.

1211
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Certainly has been for me as a bridge to the

1212
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: gardening too, making stock to proximity to my food. It

1213
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: was a bridge to this idea that I that I've

1214
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: come to be thinks like the center point of some

1215
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: of the philosophies, like what's the proximity to the thing

1216
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: that I'm eating right now or drinking? It doesn't matter

1217
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: consumption in and of itself, But it seems to me

1218
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: like you guys allowed the hunting to be the bridge

1219
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: to a better marriage, better life to build in the life.

1220
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be here without it. Because I finally made

1221
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: the decision. I know, I didn't like the weather in Washington.

1222
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I loved our garden. This is rough hair

1223
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: for us, these gardening because oh we just had raspberries.

1224
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: We we really had a wonderful life when it came

1225
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: to food, and we had cultivated that for ten years,

1226
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: over a decade, and you know, it's hard to leave that.

1227
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: But I had to make the decision that I just

1228
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: wasn't happy in that environment. I grew up here in

1229
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: Montana and I just always wanted to be back here,

1230
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: and so when I made the decision, we need to

1231
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: sell our house, we need to move. He struggled with

1232
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: it because his family is there, his livelihood was there.

1233
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: He was he was kind of a Northwest guy. His

1234
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: job revolved around that hunt Harvest health, that decision that

1235
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: we made. It started growing. Now you know how podcasting is.

1236
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't, but I'm sure you do because you

1237
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: have a podcast. It doesn't make you any money. Actually,

1238
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: I would say most podcasts don't make money unless you're

1239
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: a marketing genius or you have a machine behind you,

1240
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: like you now have meat Eat which helps you out

1241
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: a ton, and we didn't have that. It was just

1242
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: like something. It just got exciting because people started evenling us,

1243
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're just like you guys did And

1244
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: it was like it was in the beginning. It was

1245
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: very It was like thrilling and you wanted to do

1246
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: it and you wanted to share. It brought in that

1247
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: whole community thing, the community, and we got all these

1248
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: questions and we got to answer them and it felt

1249
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: like you were making this difference. You're helping people. And

1250
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, we realized that we had a great life

1251
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: with with food, a good relationship with food on both sides.

1252
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't just meat, but it was all the other

1253
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: things as well. And um, you know when you start

1254
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: like teaching it and helping people and then seeing the

1255
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: response that comes back. It's really cool. And you know

1256
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: when Hillary talks about this um this community thing, it

1257
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: did actually take her to see these these folks, these

1258
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: family um families in the hunting community and how real

1259
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: people they are and just caring or some of the

1260
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: best people on on the planet, right and and uh,

1261
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: it took her seeing those people. It wasn't me like, no,

1262
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean to that. Folks that hunt and garden

1263
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: and you know, have have this mad respect for food.

1264
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: Uh that there's value there. But it took her seeing

1265
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: like our community of hunters that really do care about family, adventure, food,

1266
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: all those different things you care about. You know, they're

1267
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: just good. You need to see that through other people.

1268
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: You have to have to. Yeah, it's interestingly, the community

1269
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: aspect has always been important to me. And I've always said,

1270
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's probably true for you guys. Do

1271
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: once you're in it, you're like, I'm just gonna stay

1272
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: in this. For me, whatever the job is fine, maybe

1273
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: a podcast, maybe I do something else, maybe I write,

1274
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe whatever. It doesn't really matter. Maybe I dide and

1275
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. It's like this pursuit

1276
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: is it to me? I see people like you were in.

1277
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Like it's a craft, like you are crafting. It's a

1278
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to say profession because it's

1279
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: not exactly that, but it's a craft. You know, you

1280
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: take years to hone it, and the better you get

1281
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: at it, the more you want to do, and the

1282
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: and the more you do, the better you want to

1283
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: get at it. So it's just like it's something that

1284
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: and that's something that seems rare these days, right, like

1285
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: with the social media culture, everybody just overnight wants to

1286
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: be like an expert and they think they can be

1287
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: an expert. And um, I guess we probably come from

1288
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: a generation where you you worked, and you had a

1289
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: job and you became something because you worked really hard.

1290
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: You know, when I went to medical school, like you

1291
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: couldn't really have a podcast or talking about health if

1292
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,479
Speaker 1: you didn't have some sort of credential. But now, hey,

1293
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: anybody can do it. It's even changed in twenty years,

1294
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: you know how fast you can suddenly becommon expert overnight.

1295
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: And I think what people find interesting about people that

1296
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of stay with one thing, and people just don't

1297
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: have big attention spans anymore. They just don't stay with

1298
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: things and so I think the intrigue with Ryan and

1299
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: anybody else that's maybe even Steve Ronella or you whoever,

1300
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: Like this isn't just like something I did yesterday and

1301
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: now I'm talking about it. It's like this, I'd be

1302
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: doing this if I if nobody knew who I was, Like,

1303
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: this is what I love and I've I've learned. You know,

1304
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: we talked about mentorship because Ryan wouldn't be here without

1305
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: his his mentors that he's had in his life. And

1306
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: it's just so hard to find that nowadays, where people

1307
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: are willing to share what they know, and there's just

1308
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of people around that are willing to

1309
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: put the the years, the decades into something before they

1310
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: even would consider sharing it with somebody. You know, Ryan's

1311
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: been doing this for thirty five years. This is like

1312
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: what he does, and he's just now starting to understand

1313
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: he needs to start sharing it because it's it's you know,

1314
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: I think it all comes in stages, right, I think

1315
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: Ban you probably would agree. I'm I'm guessing when we're

1316
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: young twenties, uh a year, I fully admit I was

1317
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: as selfish as anyone would have come to hunting. I

1318
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: wanted less people out there. I mean I wanted to

1319
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: see nobody. I didn't want to tell people how to

1320
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: do it or you know, what to do or where

1321
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: to go or anything like that. But eventually you grow

1322
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: up and you realize, man, this this thing that we

1323
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: do have so much value and it's given us so much. Uh,

1324
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: you really want more people and we need it. We

1325
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: need people to understand it. These days from with where

1326
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: we're at, less and less people are exposed to it.

1327
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: So you absolutely have to You have to kind of

1328
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: play your part. If you've done this thing for so long,

1329
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: it's given you so much, you better dang, we'll give

1330
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: it back. And so, um, we've kind of hit this

1331
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: place where it's it's really fun and we're looking for

1332
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: avenues on how to get more people involved. It's not

1333
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: just hunting those. It goes back to the gardening as well.

1334
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of this this lost and if you call

1335
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: it an art, it's this lost thing. Um. Folks used

1336
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: to garden the heck of a lot more than they

1337
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: do now. Used to be part of their lives. Um,

1338
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: and canning as well, and you just making your own

1339
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: food and not just going out and eating at a

1340
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: restaurant or going to the supermarket and buying it, and

1341
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: it feels like it's kind of disappeared a little bit.

1342
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: But man, it seems like, uh, the goals should be

1343
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: to get it back because it does have way more

1344
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: value than um where we've been heading the last I

1345
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: don't know how many years, and that's just lose your

1346
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: relationship with food altogether. And now it feels like, ass

1347
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: like we're making a difference a little bit and get

1348
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: people to understand, like I think. So, Man, this gardening thing,

1349
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: you can really dive into it, and it's it's as

1350
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: fun as I mean, it's fun as a big adventure

1351
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: in the mountains, but you can really get into it

1352
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: and you feel accomplished when you get something to grow

1353
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: and grow well and you get to read the rewards

1354
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: at the end and then you can and you put

1355
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: it in this pantry and you're looking at it. You're like, man,

1356
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: it's almost like filling the freezer with meat at the

1357
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: end of the trip. Yeah. Ryan's super patient, though, like

1358
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: I am not ship I've matured and I I'm a fine,

1359
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: matured sort of patient person. I'm a future dweller. I'm

1360
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: always I'm always going for the future. I'm always what's

1361
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: the next thing I need to do to get to

1362
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 1: this place, like go there. He's very present. We actually

1363
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: that's a lot of where we butt heads. It's like

1364
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: I'm already here, he's still back here, like yo, like

1365
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: we're still here, and I'm like, no, we're out here.

1366
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Hun does that, I think a lot. Yeah, it makes

1367
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: him very present. And so these things that take time.

1368
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: You know, you grow gardens like it grows the next

1369
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: day you learned, not doesn't happen. You don't kill your

1370
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: first animal the day after you go out. And he's

1371
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: just super patient. And and that maybe an actual skill

1372
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: of a lot of really good hunters is that they

1373
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: just um, they settle in, they become present, and and

1374
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: that is a skill too. That's really being lost. I mean,

1375
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,879
Speaker 1: we just are living vicariously through other people, through through media.

1376
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: We don't have like this sense of calm. I mean

1377
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: even me. I mean I used to do yoga. I

1378
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: was a yoga instructor and meditation and I really I've

1379
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: really gotten out of that. Actually being highly academic and

1380
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: cerebral and always having to learn and always having to

1381
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: do this, I find myself sometimes just like oh my gosh,

1382
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: I can't keep up with this space, you know. And

1383
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: the older I get, of course, it gets harder. But

1384
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: I find that's his meditation. That's why he's doing. He's

1385
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: out in nature, he's away from all that's the other thing.

1386
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: He comes to a cap here because he has not

1387
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: been around all this stress. He hasn't been around the phone.

1388
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: He hasn't been on his phone, which he's on a

1389
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: lot when he's home. When you come back for like

1390
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: ten days in the back country, and you know that

1391
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: you like, no, you know, I know, I know if

1392
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: I take this off airplane mode, it's gonna ding like

1393
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: fifty times in a row, and then you're in it

1394
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: in that whole night You're you're replying, And I think

1395
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: that's that's our bigger struggle we have now because prior

1396
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: to this, he wasn't even on social media, so he

1397
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: used his phone maybe mainly for business and for communication.

1398
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: And now with Instagram and the whole reason we've actually

1399
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: been able to even get our small following that we

1400
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: have is because Ryan is diligent and responding to messages.

1401
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 1: He he is diligent. He responds to Instagram messages like

1402
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: he's I've had to put the kibosh on it, something

1403
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: like you can't respond to everybody, and like you have

1404
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 1: to sit down and have dinner with us, like because

1405
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: he'll work all day or he'll be gone, such a

1406
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: dick if I don't. Was that new Bergh's fault? He

1407
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: I think he told me that one time. So told

1408
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: one somebody in our crew, like, hey, how did you

1409
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: really build the thing you build? It's like, man, I

1410
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: just took the time to answer every single person that

1411
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: I could, because that's really what's important. That's a community, right,

1412
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: Like the community is that, you know, is to grow

1413
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: this and and build these folks up and you know,

1414
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: help them grow as hunters or answer their questions. Obviously

1415
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: are not going to ask it unless they need an answer,

1416
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: so it's very time consuming. But I feel better when

1417
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: I'm done and I've answered these questions if they sit

1418
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: there in the requests pile and I don't get to

1419
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: them for a while. These days, it's hard to do

1420
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: um to get to them all. But you just want

1421
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,560
Speaker 1: to help if that's your goal. Every single person that

1422
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: asks you a question. Sometimes they're not the best answers,

1423
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: but do your best and try to try to get them.

1424
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: We get into into this world where like I see

1425
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: other people self identified like what are you, I'm a hunter?

1426
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: Like that's okay, Like you're getting the same value. I'm

1427
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: getting the same value proposition that I have. You have

1428
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: somewhere because I've seen it, to your point about the

1429
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: Western hunting culture. I've seen it in Eastern white tail culture.

1430
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: I've seen it in Southern swamp culture. I've seen it

1431
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: in all these different cultures where it's the same idea,

1432
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: it's the same self identity that like, this is who

1433
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: I am, this is what I do, and this is

1434
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: why I'm the way I am at elsewhere in my life.

1435
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of this is the center point. So when

1436
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: you see that, you're like, whoa, Okay, let's create more

1437
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: of that because it's a good thing. It really is

1438
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: a good thing. And for you guys that like there's

1439
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: a million podcasts, right, everybody knows that, but there's room

1440
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: for a million podcasts because for people like you, people

1441
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: just want to see themselves represented in the community. I

1442
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: think I think they want to. It doesn't matter who

1443
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: it is they want. Like in a time where people

1444
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: are thinking about inclusivity, seeing a married couple that's living

1445
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: this lifestyle, talking about it openly, being open about struggles.

1446
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: That's important, that's extremely important, and there's room for everything. Well,

1447
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: it's it's saved our marriage pretty much. I mean, I

1448
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: just say that in a way that it brought us together.

1449
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: It brought us a common purpose that we didn't have before,

1450
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: that wasn't outside of children. It brought us so if

1451
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: we have a disagreement or we have something going on,

1452
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: which we have plenty of, we have this common thing

1453
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 1: now that we have to work it out. We have

1454
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: to figure it out, you know. And and that's changed

1455
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: our marriage completely. I mean me coming into the community

1456
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: and me feeling like I have a community now that

1457
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had before um and him

1458
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: having a community because he was literally like you could

1459
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: count the number of friends he had on like that

1460
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: many fingers, not very many, and he was really introverted,

1461
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: and I always felt like he needed more social outlet,

1462
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: like he needed more friends that and and we needed

1463
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: more friends together outside of our family unit. And so

1464
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: it just changed every aspect of our relationship together. And

1465
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: then the ability to move to Montana would not have

1466
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: happened without us making the decision to do that and

1467
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: starting it and the community embracing us because you know,

1468
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: he had a job where he had a lot of

1469
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: responsibility and he probably would have never left that job

1470
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: had he not seen that what he has to share

1471
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: as valuable. And I you know, I got my wish

1472
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: of coming back to Montana based on the fact that

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01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: we did make that decision and that we worked it

1474
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 1: out and I spent many Yeah, but I mean he

1475
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: Ryan is also like he's very patient, and he's slow

1476
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: like he always has been. He I mean, it takes

1477
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: some six months to research a car and buy one,

1478
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, buy a car already. We need

1479
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: a car. So the whole idea of moving here and

1480
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: leaving what he knows there and coming somewhere new, and

1481
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's not educated like I am. You know,

1482
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: part of the deal was that I was working part

1483
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: time because we had babies and I had babies at home.

1484
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: So he was working hard. For twenty years. He worked

1485
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: hard and um never complained. He's also not a complainer.

1486
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: You will not get complaints out of Ryan even after

1487
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: two or three nights of death march hikes out of

1488
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: the mountains with no sleep. You know, he just doesn't complain. Um,

1489
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: but he I was seeing it take a toll on

1490
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: him in his health, and I realized that we needed

1491
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: to get out of there for for that and I

1492
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: could my InCom potential is much higher based on my education,

1493
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: and I could live to more of the potential of

1494
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: that because my children are older. And so we made

1495
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: this arrangement where it was like, Okay, I'll take over

1496
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: that for a while, and that allows me to live

1497
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: where I want, That allows him to get out, And

1498
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: now that we're here, he is so much happier and

1499
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: creative and all the things that you're seeing now Western

1500
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: Hunting Summit, this is all the fact that we left

1501
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: and that he is now getting to do what he's

1502
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: done and he's so good at and so, you know,

1503
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: sometimes it's also, you know, we do have people say like, well,

1504
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: I want to move to Montana. We get that a lot,

1505
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: like I want I want to convince my mind to

1506
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: move to Montana, and how do I do that? And

1507
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, you got to give a

1508
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 1: good reason. And you know, for us, it was you're

1509
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: here to visit in July, June, July, February. Family is

1510
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: the hard time, summertime, and it's going to be hard

1511
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 1: to leave. The hard part is family. Women tend to

1512
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: want to be around family when they have little children, right,

1513
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: and leaving their family to come here. And and that

1514
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: was sorry to hydrates going off. I ask you about that,

1515
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: is that one of those meat maker is that we

1516
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: got the leathers going there, sweet potato leathers, cooking sweep

1517
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: potato and apple. So there's yeah, there's like candles that

1518
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: can onions. What is that ever? Pickled spicy onions, pickled beets. Yeah,

1519
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: but anyways, we could talk about this all day, we

1520
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: could talk about relationships all day, but it's transformed our

1521
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: life and the hunting community to me, I will always

1522
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 1: say now is like it's a community of really well

1523
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: grounded people, at least the one that we're in absolutely,

1524
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, they need they need more

1525
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: help with health, and they need more people that are

1526
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: willing to come into this genre and talk to them

1527
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: like real people and not talk down to them like, oh,

1528
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: interestly been running. I don't really, you don't know what

1529
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: you're doing, Like that's kind of what I feel, and

1530
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 1: it's just you know, um, that's kind of been my

1531
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: purpose now is just to help you can't help everybody.

1532
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: You know, in the healthy sphere, Holy cow, you know,

1533
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: everybody's doing everything. So when you go out in my world,

1534
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: my world is like super saturated and people are talking

1535
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: about kinds of crazy stuff. And I'll go do a

1536
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: talk at Western Hunting Summer and it's good, but Ryan

1537
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, that was way over people's heads. Like,

1538
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: but then I'm thinking of my colleagues. I'm thinking about

1539
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: how I want to talk to my colleagues. And then

1540
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: like this year, I he said, I did better, Like

1541
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: I dumped it down more. I mean, people like relate straight.

1542
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: What's important is we want to know how to hunt longer.

1543
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: Do you want to know how to prevent overuse injuries? Um?

1544
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 1: And and that's been a big part of you know,

1545
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: what she's brought to the table, what she's brought to

1546
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: the community and the listeners is um. You know, for me,

1547
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: I've been very fortunate because I didn't used to be

1548
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: into all this healthy food and all this stuff. I

1549
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: was like, I thought, asked this way over priced organic,

1550
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. That was way early in our marriage.

1551
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: She's obviously gotten me out of that, and then we

1552
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: got into growing our own all these things, but uh,

1553
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, I told her at this talk, we just did,

1554
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: let's keep it simple. Let's talk about what's going to

1555
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: keep people from getting injured and what's going to help them.

1556
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: Inflammation We've talked about. We talked about inflammation all the time.

1557
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those things that we

1558
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: should always be trying to fight all with everything through

1559
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: our diet, meals at home, meals on the mountain. That's

1560
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: why we started this whole CBD thing because CBD was

1561
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: like this very interesting thing to me because I'm so

1562
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: into trying to combat inflammation. You take you take five

1563
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: six big hunting trips a year, Ben and maybe their

1564
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: long ten day trips. They're big mountain trips. You're you're

1565
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: gonna come away from that and walking a little funny

1566
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: like in the end. And I used to have like,

1567
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, we let stop. I need some affirmation. Yoga

1568
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: were good with yoga because I started doing yoga. I

1569
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: love yoga. I was a yoga teacher before I had

1570
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: a massive horrible bike wreck and wreck my neck. But

1571
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 1: I think yoga for hunting's key. I think flexibility and

1572
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: it's your most hired is like on an archery stock, right,

1573
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: you're moving really slow, you're in weird positions like yoga positions.

1574
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes he won't see me. But yeah, I mean I

1575
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: think there is there's that too, like pliometrics that that

1576
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: are that really for flexibility. Because when I we were

1577
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: talking about my trip to to Nepal, when I started,

1578
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: wait like a month, I'm like, go ship, We're going

1579
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: in a month? What am I gonna do? And we

1580
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: kind of landed on pliometrics. It's like, just if I'm

1581
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: more flexible, dude, if I can step at an angle,

1582
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: if I can if if my leg and my hip

1583
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: can move at this angle repeatedly, if I'm side hilling

1584
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, that would be better for me

1585
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: ultimately than running ten miles a day at at some

1586
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: level that flexibility that you know absolutely of the core

1587
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: strength flexibility. Yeah, those things are huge and and like

1588
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: I said, um, where I always noticed, Uh, you know

1589
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: where you can hike ten miles on a flat trail,

1590
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: it's easy. Uh, if you hike a lot with weight,

1591
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: it's it's not that bad. But on those really slow

1592
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: stocks where every muscle is strained and you're going on

1593
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: snail's pace. Uh, in on a stock on an only

1594
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: buck or something like that. You come out spent, totally spent.

1595
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: And that's where I think, Um, you know, yoga type

1596
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: things help a frond ton. So no, we're good with yoga. Yeah,

1597
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: I put that out in a public couple episodes ago.

1598
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: I got a lot of support for the community. But

1599
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I just feel like there's somebody out there

1600
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: just changing, right. Like my grandpa would have been like, yo,

1601
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: wrong with you? But now you know, people are doing

1602
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 1: your mainstream now than it was. They want to be

1603
01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: functional longer. Yeah. I don't know what your grandparents like,

1604
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: but I had awesome grandparents. My mom's parents are still alive.

1605
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: But when they were like when my dad's parents were

1606
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: like in their fifties, they were like old. They just

1607
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: my grandpa had fishing and he played golf. My grandma

1608
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: had the shampoo set, she like knitted, and they just

1609
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: seemed old to me. And I feel like nowadays, like

1610
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, we're almost fifty, I feel like you're just

1611
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: starting Like yeah, I feel like that's you know, it's

1612
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: a different it's a different times. So this whole thing

1613
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: of like I don't do yoga, it's actually like people

1614
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: are like, Okay, I'll do yoga because whatever I can

1615
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 1: do to like stay healthier, stay younger, feel better, that

1616
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 1: should be the goal. Is whatever goal it does, whether

1617
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: you you know you feel weird about it or whatever.

1618
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Whatever you can take in as far as foods go

1619
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: and inflammatory stuff, exercising. Um yeah, Like I say, we're

1620
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: forty st seven years old right now, and there's no

1621
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 1: way when I was in my twenties, I feel like

1622
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: I would feel this good. You know. Um I remember

1623
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: the thirty year old and being like, I'll wait till

1624
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: your thirty. We were running up that hill, you know,

1625
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 1: like you are now. But that's all. It's like, I'm

1626
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 1: forties in my forty six or I don't. I feel

1627
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: better now than I did in my twenties. And I

1628
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: know that was a product of meeting Hill, her helping

1629
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: me with my diet, her getting me on the right

1630
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: SUPs and foods and things like that, where I don't

1631
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: get that lack of CASA build up, I don't get

1632
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: the soreness afterwards. So I feel it's good now. I

1633
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: feel better now, way better now than I did in

1634
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: my twenties, which is great because I want to, Like

1635
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: I said, I want to do this for so long,

1636
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: and um, these big, big trips are so easily doable

1637
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: now yeah, um yeah, hiking farther than man. Yeah. We

1638
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: were was watching a little documentary my son the other

1639
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,919
Speaker 1: night about adventure you know, skiing in France and surfing

1640
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: and who knows where. He said, the world is big?

1641
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: How could I see it all? I said, listen, don't

1642
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: worry about the world. The Galton natural forces, right, you

1643
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: can see all that in your whole life. Like that's

1644
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: that we were talking when you got here. It's like

1645
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: this place that we live here in Montana. There's it's

1646
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,959
Speaker 1: a playground. There's so much to explore and it's exciting.

1647
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 1: And uh, the only way that you're gonna you know, see,

1648
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe not all of it, but enough of it, is

1649
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: to be healthy. Um, you lose your health. All those

1650
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: experiences go away, all those adventures, all the opportunities to

1651
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 1: see another basin, a whole new mountain range and pick

1652
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: a direction from three forks Montana. You've got them every

1653
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: which run all over the place. I don't need to

1654
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: go to another country. I got it all right here

1655
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: in Montana. To see. People are just me like, what

1656
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: are you doing this? Phone. Where are you going? I'm good, Yeah,

1657
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm right here, Like go over there? What are you

1658
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: still arguing about? That? That was used to be one

1659
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: of the fights we had is that you know, he

1660
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: traveled a lot. He was in Alaska a lot, Russia

1661
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot, and kem Chak worked over there when we

1662
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: were first married for a long time. But I like

1663
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: to travel to Europe. I had a job that would

1664
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 1: take me to Europe, like I like to. I'm kind

1665
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: of a history buff, so I like that kind of stuff.

1666
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: He's like, if you take me in another church, I'm

1667
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: going to lose my marble. It's like, I can't do it.

1668
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: So he I would be like, well you, why don't

1669
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: we need to travel and see the world. And he's like,

1670
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: I could spend my entire life just in Washington in

1671
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: the Mountain ranges and never see one a second place twice.

1672
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't need to be going to

1673
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: all these fancy places because I know, like what just

1674
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: even the West, the West alone has to offer, and Montana,

1675
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 1: of course is is steroids. It's like, but then you

1676
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: get that intellectual property that only you have, at least

1677
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: only you share with that place. That's pretty intimate, dude.

1678
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm proud of than inellectual property. Even if I don't

1679
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: kill ship. I know that place now, I know there's

1680
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: nothing there, and you know, and I remember maybe you're

1681
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: the same bend is. I remember every place I've been

1682
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: to in the mountains, I don't remember like a club

1683
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 1: and Seattle, I couldn't tell you how to get there.

1684
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: I can go to my local market here and I

1685
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: can't remember where the bacon is, but I can tell

1686
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: you where I've seen, like every basin that I've seen

1687
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: a buck, what that buck was? Those type places are

1688
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: special and there's a reason why I remember. I just

1689
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I migrate to that. The city blows my mind, like

1690
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: I get lost, I lose sense of direction. It's just

1691
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: a it's just a big fog. But you get into

1692
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: the mountains and, um, how don't you just get you

1693
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: just pay attention more. I guess for me. Um, But no,

1694
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: you're right. It's like you could never see the same

1695
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: place twice. And every single place is a whole new

1696
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: area to learn. And I want to learn, like I

1697
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: want to dial in every little mountain range. And when

1698
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you're chasing animals, it just makes you learn it that

1699
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: much more. Yeah, and like not just hiking. I think

1700
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: the thing that I like most about where we are

1701
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: as a community, where you guys are with your brand

1702
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: what you do is it's like hunting. Seems when I

1703
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: was a kid, hunting was my opic. It was like

1704
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: your hunt, you fry the backstrap, you have fun with

1705
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 1: your dad. Like it wasn't it didn't. I love my dad.

1706
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: He was a great teacher and mentor still is today,

1707
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: but like it was just it wasn't even his fault,

1708
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: it was just that's how it was. But now it's

1709
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: like holistic all this stuff that we're talking about. We

1710
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: talk about anthropologies, ziology, like learn like how to learn

1711
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: a place, not how to learn the natural world. But

1712
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: then you guys bring in you know, inflammation, a physiology,

1713
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: all the things that allow you to hike the mountain.

1714
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 1: And even you know when you when you're you're dressing

1715
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: out that animal, you know, knowing anatomy and knowing what

1716
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: you have to know in order to properly do it,

1717
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: and knowing how to take care of me and knowing

1718
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: how you know, I mean a lot of people those skills,

1719
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: like people don't know that stuff, and and it seems

1720
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: just second nature to you hunters that have learned it.

1721
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: But it's it's like all of anatomy and physiology playing

1722
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: into just almost everything. And you know, with health, it's

1723
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you just see so many people just take their health

1724
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 1: for granted for so many years and then when something

1725
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: does happen where they're not able to be and you know,

1726
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 1: the statistics are everybody will deal with that at some

1727
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: point in their life. Everybody will have a trauma or

1728
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: a health crisis or something that's going to plague them.

1729
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: And you know, the question is have you I think

1730
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the other question is have you had enough enough adventure

1731
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: in your life to to um maybe get you through

1732
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: those harder times where you're not going to be able

1733
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: to have an adventure. And I think in a lot

1734
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: of times too, it's the will to experience those adventures

1735
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: again that maybe why some people pull through and others don't,

1736
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: because there's a purpose that you've had where you've seen

1737
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: it and you've been there, and maybe it gives you

1738
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: purpose to get back there and so you have you

1739
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: may have more of a fighting chance. But like you

1740
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: know the films that Ryan's doing with Brian call right now,

1741
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: you know there was a comment the other night, we

1742
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 1: were all sitting here having dinner after the summit, and

1743
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: Brian read a comment about a guy who had a

1744
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: hunting injury. It wasn't hunting, it was a gun injury.

1745
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: He got shot in the neck, and um, he's a quadriplegic.

1746
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: And he said he just got a tractor, which is

1747
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: a quadriplegic chair that can kind of take them and

1748
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: and he said, I just got that and you're just

1749
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: watching your guys. This video just makes me long for

1750
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: just being out there. And so he's a quadriplegic, but

1751
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: now he's thinking about, you know, how can I get

1752
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: back out there and do what makes me happy? And um,

1753
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: I think, you know, all of us can be faced

1754
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: with horrible tragedies in our lives and how do we

1755
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: get through that? And I think possibly those those memories

1756
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: of those adventures in those places might help carry you through,

1757
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: you know. And a lot of people don't have that,

1758
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: They don't have them, and we see it in the comments,

1759
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of comments from older gentlemen that

1760
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: that just can't do it anymore, They can't do it anymore.

1761
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 1: And there you can see they're saddened by that because

1762
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,560
Speaker 1: they gotta what we're doing now they used to do

1763
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 1: and they got a lot out of it, but whether

1764
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: it was an injury or just age or whatever. Um.

1765
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: And you can kind of feel for them through their

1766
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: comments like this is something they really really miss and

1767
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: they appreciate just being able to watch it get done

1768
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: like they used to do it. I see that a lot,

1769
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: and that just kind of reinforces that don't take this

1770
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: for granted. Something could happen. Um, that's why every season

1771
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 1: is very important. Stay healthy and do it to the

1772
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: limit and get as much out of it as you

1773
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: possibly can. Yeah, and you see, like how how for

1774
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: us that you know we're always we talked about this

1775
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: and when I started this show, like I gotta make

1776
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: more Hunters? How do I do this? What do I do?

1777
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Like it's they're kind of making themselves at this point,

1778
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Like you just kind of share what this is and

1779
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: open new perspectives up and it kind of they kind

1780
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: of just I think, like for me, it's been amazing

1781
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: what I've seen from like what I would kind of

1782
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: have considered my community not being open to this. Like

1783
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 1: they all know Ryan and they know how he is

1784
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: and they see him bring this meet home and they're like,

1785
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Like and then you know, we've had

1786
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: multiple friends that like I went to school there there.

1787
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: They want to learn to hunt, they want to learn

1788
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,799
Speaker 1: about weapons, they want to learn about the back country.

1789
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: They see this and they've already got that cerebral thing down,

1790
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: the health thing down, and they're realizing there's something missing,

1791
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: like there's I'm not providing um or men that grew

1792
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: up in the city and they grew up in academia

1793
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: and they did not have a father home hunted or

1794
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: who did that And they see this and they're just like, well,

1795
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: I really don't know where to start with this, but

1796
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: I really want to try it, so you know, like

1797
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: should I get a bow and or a rifle or

1798
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: what should I do? How do I go about it?

1799
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: And it's kind of bringing the communities together because I

1800
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: think to what we're seeing right now in the world,

1801
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 1: is this clash going on that's happening where you know,

1802
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: obviously we have all these political issues, we have all

1803
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: these race issues, we have these things coming up in

1804
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:01,520
Speaker 1: the world right now, But a lot of that experience

1805
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: is partly that people are so there there's something missing

1806
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 1: that's that's like inside of us that we have kind

1807
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,759
Speaker 1: of let go because we have the conveniences of life,

1808
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Like the common suffering of providing for yourself has kind

1809
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 1: of gone away, with the exception of just making money,

1810
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: like it, just make money, that's what's important, and that's

1811
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,280
Speaker 1: what we teach people, like you've gotta make money, or

1812
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: you gotta be famous, or something like just be famous,

1813
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. But now we're seeing people

1814
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: just like especially with the COVID thing, like wow, the

1815
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: food supply chain could be disrupted. Um, you know, simple

1816
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: things you don't think about when life is easy, when

1817
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: things are easy, and it brings people to this place

1818
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: where they realize, you know, maybe I'm could be much

1819
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: more self sufficient than I am. And it doesn't matter.

1820
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: Race doesn't matter, sex doesn't matter, socioeconomic status doesn't matter.

1821
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: Like how do I get to that place where I

1822
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: feel like I am actually providing in a way that

1823
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: is healthy and that I am not dependent on the system.

1824
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Because that's what's happened is we've all become so dependent

1825
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 1: on the system that it seems almost impossible to think

1826
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,560
Speaker 1: about what that would mean to get out of that.

1827
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 1: For us, we were really lucky. Ryan had that mentorship.

1828
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,879
Speaker 1: You had that mentorship, but think of it, eight percent

1829
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: of the population does not have that population doesn't have that,

1830
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: So it can be quite overwhelming. But we've noticed a

1831
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: huge influx even just since COVID happened. If people asking

1832
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: those questions, right, and how do we how do we

1833
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: do this? How do we start canning? What do we buy?

1834
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: Like just stuff like that. So, um, it's I think

1835
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 1: it's helping we. We just love that our communities were

1836
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of brought together and it decreases a lot of

1837
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: judgment and your self perceived notions of what you think

1838
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: is right, and people start to realize that, you know,

1839
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: we're kind of all in the same in the same show. Yeah,

1840
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and how much of that how much of that system

1841
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: is actually making you happy? Like, how much of that

1842
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: is contributing to your happiness? The system that makes things easier,

1843
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,639
Speaker 1: is it really making you happier? Probably not that struggle

1844
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about that makes you happier, trying to figure

1845
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:22,560
Speaker 1: out how to grow a tomato and the planes of

1846
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: real where we're at no doubt about it. Absolutely. Well,

1847
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: we'll let you get back to these two little ones

1848
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: who are visiting us. Um, I think everyone's hungry the party. Yeah,

1849
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: I probably gonna get back to mind. There's somebody somebody

1850
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: crying to my happy here for thirty minutes away. Well,

1851
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: thanks guys for doing what you do and and being

1852
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: a voice for very important topics all the way around.

1853
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 1: Really appreciate coming out the pleasure and having Yeah, we're

1854
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to go beat ourselves up in the mountains. Absolutely,

1855
01:36:50,479 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I would be great local. All right, Thanks guys. That's it.

1856
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: That's all another episode in the books. Thanks to Hillary

1857
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,800
Speaker 1: and Ryan for having me in their home, which is

1858
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: pretty beautiful home. I'm thinking about moving to a farm. Uh, Phil, Yeah,

1859
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: you don't like the suburb life. I don't really like

1860
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: it at I don't know, no offensive, it's not great.

1861
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not great. So we may

1862
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: have the the THHC Regenerative Ranch here in Bozeman. There

1863
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: you go. I'm really even thinking hard about it. So

1864
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: if anybody knows of any properties that are for sale

1865
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: for about fifty six grand, I'd like to get you know,

1866
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: twenty acres like that, say you know whatever, let me

1867
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: let me know a little. I'll get a little money spend.

1868
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: Maybe we can get a sponsor or something you never know.

1869
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: It's all about sponsors here. All right, Well, what did

1870
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 1: you learn? Phil? Give me something would you learn from Hillary?

1871
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: And Ryan? What are you gonna do better? I told

1872
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: my wife she has to respect me. You know, I

1873
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: don't think you don't think you took away the right lessons,

1874
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: went home and I'm respect me. She threw me out

1875
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: and I sleep at your house. I mean it's it's

1876
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of just the typical stuff you

1877
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: hear about marriage counseling. It's a huge, huge communication aspect,

1878
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: be honest and give as much as you take. Um.

1879
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean that that goes along long long way. It does,

1880
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,879
Speaker 1: it does well. Um, I'm gonna I want to address

1881
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 1: a few things. There's a couple things have been kind

1882
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: of circling around my head. UM, so here at the

1883
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: end of the show, I want to address a couple

1884
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 1: of things. UM, and I want to see where your

1885
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: heads at too, because it's gonna it's gonna set what

1886
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna do and then months to come. Um, there's

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01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: some issues I want to cover. We talked last week

1888
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: about the New Zealand tar call issue. I'm we're going

1889
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: to cover that in future episode for sure, top to

1890
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 1: bottom hopefully. UM. But there's another thing that keeps that

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01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 1: obviously is prevalent in our society and should be more

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Speaker 1: prevalent in our conversations. Here, I'm gonna read you a

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Speaker 1: little bit an excerpt from a long email from Daniel Lucio.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I'm saying your name right, Daniel from Austin, Texas,

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01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,799
Speaker 1: my former stomping grounds. Um, and this is gonna be important,

1896
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 1: so you have to listen up, Phil, He says, recently,

1897
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: I've been incredibly disheartened and disappointed by y'all's response, or

1898
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: lack thereof, to the national conversation around Black Lives matter

1899
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: and the cultural shift that's happening in our country right now.

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01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,640
Speaker 1: As you may know, the history of land conservation in

1901
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:32,440
Speaker 1: this country is inextrictably tied to racism and white supremacy,

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01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: and many people in the hunting and fishing communities are

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01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: hungry for discussions about how to come to grips with

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01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: this history and move forward with the things they love.

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01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: Despite your obsensibly moderate views, you don't seem to have

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01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: people on your programs that challenge your perspectives on this issue.

1907
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 1: There are plenty of people who could be on your

1908
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: show that believe in fishing, hunting, public land conservation, and

1909
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: responsible gunnership, while also believing we should be questioning our

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Speaker 1: country's racist history and supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.

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Speaker 1: That's from Daniel. He wrote a long note which I

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Speaker 1: responded and asked him for some suggestions for who he

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Speaker 1: thought we should have on It. Had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a back and forth with Daniel. I appreciated UM.

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Speaker 1: Although he was, you know, tossing out some fairly harsh criticism,

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Speaker 1: he was also pretty cool about it, just like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: this is what I think you ought to do. Love

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Speaker 1: the show, appreciate it. If you ever in aust not

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01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 1: buy a sandwich whatever, Like he was, was very reasonable

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Speaker 1: in the discussion. So I would just say, and I've

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Speaker 1: and I would preface all of this by saying, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten plenty of notes from people pressing these buttons and

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01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: asking for more UM and I and then as I

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01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:39,840
Speaker 1: did tell Daniel, and then just as you well know,

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Speaker 1: I think about this a lot. We've talked about it,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it over multiple episodes. We did it,

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Speaker 1: we were proactive with it prior to the current unrest

1928
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: and the George Floyd situation. We've talked about it since

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Speaker 1: we had Charles Rodney and to give his perspective and

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Speaker 1: his story. Um, we talked a little bit about it

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Speaker 1: with with Matt Best and and Crispy Omara Vila. So

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it. UM, I know you think about

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Speaker 1: a lot. This a lot filled do you have, like

1934
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Speaker 1: what's the future of this conversation. There's stuff you'd like

1935
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Speaker 1: to see that you are here that you haven't heard.

1936
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Speaker 1: This is just basically a meeting. We're in a conference

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Speaker 1: room and that people are listening. Uh. I I mean,

1938
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm full, I'm fully on board with that email.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I think I stated this to you,

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Speaker 1: and I think we got a voicemail from when of

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Speaker 1: your listeners that I felt that the when you said

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Speaker 1: that you talked about it with Crispy and Matt Best

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Speaker 1: and Charles Rodney. Even if this wasn't the I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously this wasn't the goal of your conversation, but coming

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Speaker 1: off of that conversation, what I I I felt the

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01:41:54,120 --> 01:42:01,200
Speaker 1: vibe was just kind of like, uh, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: be nice and and that's the line and everything will

1948
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: work out just fine. If everyone would just do that.

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01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 1: It would be great listen, and that's just I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's unrealistic. Um. I mean, and while obviously like

1951
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Speaker 1: I love your conversations with with Charles Rodney, but that's

1952
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Speaker 1: just one perspective, and I think i'd, like, you know,

1953
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Speaker 1: I think having more on would be incredibly interesting and beneficial.

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Speaker 1: Um yep, uh so yeah, I mean I don't want

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Speaker 1: it to and I feel you don't want it to

1956
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Speaker 1: be for this to be like a reactionary thing where

1957
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Speaker 1: you're like, well, we should just have on some some

1958
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: different black guests because of the current situation in in

1959
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 1: in in the country is you don't want to make

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Speaker 1: them feel like tokenized or anything. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I think I believe representation is incredibly important and that

1962
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Speaker 1: hearing different stories, especially on a podcast like this, is

1963
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Speaker 1: really fulfilling and important to do well. It's important much

1964
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Speaker 1: of a joker, it's important that your your perspective is

1965
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: important because it comes from it doesn't come from this

1966
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Speaker 1: insular idea of what hunting is, what the industry is,

1967
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: because a lot of times inside the industry, you feel

1968
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,640
Speaker 1: like you're inside looking out at the world. Right you

1969
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:19,680
Speaker 1: feel like you're inside this group of people and you're

1970
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 1: looking out at the world, and you're also kind of

1971
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 1: like playing the game. Where does this benefit me to

1972
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: talk about this? If I go deep and if I

1973
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: ask these hard questions, is am I gonna get canceled?

1974
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Am I gonna get fired? Am I gonna get? Is

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Speaker 1: there gonna be an email sent to me you know

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Speaker 1: that says this isn't the right way to handle this,

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01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 1: or you said something wrong, or you miss step. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that partly was what aggravated me about

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Speaker 1: the Matt Best, about how many people's reaction to what

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Speaker 1: Matt Best said. I get, I get the critique. I

1981
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Speaker 1: understand the critique. I just feel like he was expressing

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Speaker 1: his worldview, um, and he was doing it in in

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Speaker 1: a in a fashion that was, you know, meant to

1984
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Speaker 1: be uplifting. I get that that doesn't match other people's worldviews.

1985
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Speaker 1: I get that there's opposing viewpoints on how to deal

1986
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Speaker 1: with things, and then what realities are out there within

1987
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Speaker 1: these these now loaded terms of white supremacy and systemic

1988
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: racism and things of that nature. Um. And so I

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Speaker 1: did write Daniel back and I said, listen, man, be

1990
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Speaker 1: prepared at some level to be made uncomfortable with where

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Speaker 1: we go with this, because I certainly I'm not gonna

1992
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Speaker 1: do this without challenging narratives on both sides, all sides,

1993
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: and saying, like, what really is going on? But I

1994
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: got another email from Aaron Towsley. He sent me a

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Speaker 1: link to a blog and he said, I think it's

1996
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,719
Speaker 1: a good thing, if not painful, that there's a cultural

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Speaker 1: reckoning of heroes like Teddy Roosevelt and John Muir that

1998
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: have been turned to myths and are being shown to

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Speaker 1: be real people with flaws, just like all men and women.

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Speaker 1: And this is in UM. We talked about this with

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Speaker 1: Carolyn Finney an episode eighty nine, and again I go

2002
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Speaker 1: back to that, and I told Daniel this as well.

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01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: I go back to that man that I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's the one of the better. I don't know that

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01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I can do better than that in this moment. Not

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01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: saying I won't try. I'm not saying that we're not

2007
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: going to continue kind of work through some of this stuff,

2008
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 1: not not to say we're gonna just empty all our

2009
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: baggage out here and try to figure out what's there. Um.

2010
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Speaker 1: But as I as I listened to it, back a

2011
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I thought about him like, man,

2012
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:13,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to do better than that, but I

2013
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: think that's the best I can do, approaching and honestly

2014
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: saying like, I'm not real sure about all this, but

2015
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: I want someone who's experienced it to tell me what

2016
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Speaker 1: they think, and then you know, we can all learn

2017
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Speaker 1: together hopefully. Um. But the blog that that Aaron sent

2018
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Speaker 1: me was entitled No Heroes the Racist Legacy of John

2019
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Speaker 1: Muir in American Conservation. It was written by somebody named

2020
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,560
Speaker 1: Caitlin Schneider. Not really familiar with her at all, but

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01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: she she goes through John Muir as a naturalist, um,

2022
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Speaker 1: kind of the mythical naturalists that he became president. Teddy

2023
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: Roosevelt obviously is a mythic figure within conservation, within our world. Um.

2024
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 1: I you know, traveled to the lexa Jim Pozzleit's house.

2025
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: He has a whole bookcase um that that talks about

2026
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt. And she has a long writing here talking

2027
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:07,280
Speaker 1: about how that these gentlemen were wanting to wax poetic

2028
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: about nature but also want to be racist as well,

2029
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Speaker 1: which we talked about with Carolyn in an episode eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: So What do I say about all that? What do

2031
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 1: I think we ought to do? She Caitlin and the

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01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: at the end of this article says. She says this,

2033
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 1: I had planned on visiting Yosemite for the very first

2034
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: time this summer after relocating to California just before the

2035
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic hit. I wanted to camp out under

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01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the stars, shoot the ship with friends, and basking the

2037
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 1: majesty of its vistas. Instead, I'll stay home, basking many

2038
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Speaker 1: stories about bears, Kwarty's, bob Kitts, and deer who are

2039
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:47,600
Speaker 1: reclaiming the park from invasive tourists. I look forward to

2040
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: someday seeing what inspired me or so intensely, But for now,

2041
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm okay staying away. The place was never mine to

2042
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 1: have anyway. And she's referring to um the environmental movement.

2043
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: The National parks movement as a whole has a racist history,

2044
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,640
Speaker 1: fiddled with everything from a razure to a lack of

2045
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: diversity and academia, to eugenics and white supremacy, and of

2046
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 1: course larger systemic issues like the Sierra Club's own anti

2047
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 1: immigrant history, and then those figures you mentioned, So that

2048
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 1: that's that's a very wrapped up UM, very complex, very

2049
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 1: American story about how we address these figures, how we

2050
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: hold up all the good they did, and how we

2051
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:31,880
Speaker 1: explore all of the UM, in this case, relatively awful

2052
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: things that they did in their life their beliefs as

2053
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: a whole, rather than UM take some of the history

2054
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: and parts out what we like and kick out what

2055
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 1: we don't like. So we're gonna continue to talk about that.

2056
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to acknowledge all you listeners out there,

2057
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: they been emailing in and asking about this. I'm definitely

2058
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: thinking about it all the time, UM, as many of

2059
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: you are, and we are not afraid to address it,

2060
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:57,280
Speaker 1: and we will continue to talk about it, UM and

2061
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: hopefully that this little UM, this little conversation in altro

2062
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: is is certainly in all conversations we've had episode eighty nine,

2063
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Speaker 1: all the episodes with Charles Rodney where we talked about this,

2064
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: we talked abouts of Steve Ronella last fall, UM, we

2065
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 1: talked about this this year a bunch, and we'll continue

2066
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:15,639
Speaker 1: to talk about it. We're not gonna just talk about

2067
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: it when there's riots or protests. We'll just keep talking

2068
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 1: about it until there's a better representation of all races

2069
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: and minorities in hunting, and people feel like they're reflected

2070
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: in this community. So that's what I want to do. Um, Phil,

2071
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Speaker 1: do you feel like that's like? I would just say

2072
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Speaker 1: my goal is not to make my opinion known all

2073
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,640
Speaker 1: that much is to say, like, I want people to

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01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 1: see themselves reflected in what we do. So I like

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Speaker 1: I I there's a bit of rejection of token it

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Speaker 1: token izing someone because I would much rather air on

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Speaker 1: the side of someone seeing someone like themselves, who thinks

2078
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: like them in our world and being feeling more comfortable

2079
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 1: given that idea than me being worried about whether I'm

2080
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: taking some and it looks different than me than holding

2081
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,720
Speaker 1: them up for some personal reason. So that's kind of

2082
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: where I land on what we're going to do in

2083
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Speaker 1: the future. So I just want to address that and

2084
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: let everybody know. Daniel included, Aaron included, Phil included that

2085
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: we're thinking about we get it Phil right on. We'll

2086
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: see you next week, you know, because I can't go

2087
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Speaker 1: a week without doing run without drank