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Speaker 2: Welcome to off the cup my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about childhood, our childhood for

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Speaker 2: to remember the simplicity of childhood. Today's guest was a

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Speaker 2: Mandy Kolm, Welcome to Off the cop Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I am so tickled to be here.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm so tickled to be here. This is crazy.

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Speaker 1: but like, you know, people would watch it, bring it

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00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: out and watch it every year.

435
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 2: I mean I loved that movie. Did that feel bigger

436
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: than the show?

437
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: Just different?

438
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: Different? You know?

439
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: That was one of the things that the show really

440
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: afforded me was, you know, did my first off Broadway show,

441
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: first feature all these firsts that to any other kid

442
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: actor or teenage actor would be like, yeah, workers, work,

443
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: job is a job. But these first were really huge

444
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: for me because there wasn't an expectation that this stuff

445
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: was going to keep coming. Yeah, especially back then, like wait,

446
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: what I have an audition? Like what do I do?

447
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: I'd never done that before. It was one of my

448
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: first auditions.

449
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: And what are the other girls doing? You get this

450
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: future film after the show raps?

451
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: Oh, everybody works, everybody. I mean Nancy had a TV

452
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: Movie of the Week every friggin' yes, you did, that's right, Yeah,

453
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: and deservedly so.

454
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

455
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: I know that Lisa got married and had children and

456
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Kim always working, still working like the most prolific person

457
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: and got the greatest hustle. And I mean that in

458
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: the best way possible. Yeah right, I literally she's like

459
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: my role model for the hustle. She's so incredible in

460
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, She's just and she's had it from

461
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: the time she was time I met her. Yeah, yeah, incredible.

462
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: We got to know Kim a little bit more because

463
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: she crossed over to one of my other favorite things, Housewives. Yeah,

464
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: and I know you live in Bravo as well. I

465
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: know you've got that's what happens to live. And I

466
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: know you know Jeff and you're always hanging out with

467
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: Margaret and like, we need to get into this, yeah,

468
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: because it was one.

469
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: Of my closest friends in life, Dolores.

470
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Speaker 2: Yes, And I need because I need to know how

471
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: all of this happened because I live in Bravo as well,

472
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: and it's a very special it's a very special home

473
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: for me. Yes.

474
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when Kim said she was going to

475
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: do I was very concerned.

476
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: But why because you knew the franchise and what they

477
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: would do.

478
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: Well and also that's but again, this is why I

479
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: have mad respects for this woman and not only love her,

480
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: but mad respect. She went in with a goal very clearly.

481
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: Instagram was new, how we're dating ourselves again. She said,

482
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: I want a million followers, I want to get myself

483
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: back on television and I need exposure.

484
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: Yep.

485
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: And I forgot what the third thing was, but cut

486
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: to a season on that show. She had all three. Right,

487
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. Like, that's Kim Fields in

488
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: a nutshell. She's like, I'm going to dip in, get

489
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: my goods, dip out, and that's exactly what happened. She's

490
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: just a wizard in the best way.

491
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Speaker 2: Well that's a rare feat too, because I mean a

492
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: lot of people think I'll just do I'll dip in,

493
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: dip out, or I can go in and preserve my reputation,

494
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: and I mean no, you can't sometimes and it's hard

495
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: to leave these franchises because they become intoxicating and then

496
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: you become a brand within that.

497
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference is is that and I

498
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: know no one will know one that I love and

499
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: that's in my life in the Brava world will be

500
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: offended by this. There's a there's an aspect of fame

501
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: mongering that's very needed in all the franchises that actors

502
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have, right, Yes, right, autographs and sunglasses come

503
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: after or as part of it, but it's not why

504
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: we do it. And so that's where reality and acting,

505
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, is divergent. Yeah, so there's there's a different animal.

506
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: Kim had no problem dipping in and out of that.

507
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: She was already famous, right, there's no need for that.

508
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: Would she tell you stories about Atlanta and the other

509
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: ladies he's traumatized? I mean, yeah, Temple, her season was interesting.

510
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: I mean, she got out unscathed, but it was like

511
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: a lot for her.

512
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: She and she and her ex paid a price, no

513
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: doubt about it. And and by the way, again her

514
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: being her, like she knew it there'd be something. She

515
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: didn't think it would be as nasty as a guy.

516
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: But I think she also had her eyes wide open,

517
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: and another reason that she went, this isn't one and

518
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: done for me. I'm going to get what I need

519
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: out of it and dip out. And I think sometimes

520
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: other ladies that we know and love she could have

521
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: dipped out before, right, like stay a little too long.

522
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: They're still waiting for a miracle. I don't know what

523
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: that miracle.

524
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 2: Is, but they're not. They're waiting for you know, another

525
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: redemption arc, you know, because they come I see.

526
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: I Also, you know, the money is a thing. Most

527
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: of these women are not wealthy, and I think that's

528
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: part of the you know, what's come out with Jeff

529
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: Lewis's show, Like people people talk talking about the women specifically,

530
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: not just the other like below decks and all that.

531
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: But there is so much cash and money that that's

532
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: hard than to let go of. So that and the

533
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: fane is really really hard.

534
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: I can see it. I've seen it with people. Yeah,

535
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: So how do you come to know Dolores? I love her?

536
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I love her a lot too. So how we meant

537
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: is is not for air, But I will say that

538
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: we are each other's and have been for many years. Touchstones. Yeah,

539
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: and she's just you know, as wonderful and as incredible

540
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: as all her fans are picking the right person. She's

541
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: just an incredible human being. Yeah, and I and I

542
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: love her and I pull for her. Yeah, I'm in

543
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: her court like period. Yeah, she's me. Yeah, one of

544
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: those Yes, she's one of those girls that I will

545
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: I will go to the.

546
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: Map for Yeah, what she would do? Like that's her

547
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: personality too, Like she's a rhye my.

548
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Dad, he's absolutely she's got me.

549
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. How do you come to meet Jeff Lewis?

550
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: I got asked to do his show, and actually it

551
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: was Margaret. Margaret said, by the way, she told Jeff

552
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: is a huge fan of Palmreel, you should totally do

553
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: his show, And I'm like, okay, And I had obviously

554
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: watched his Bravo show too, so I knew him. It's

555
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: not like I didn't know who he was. And yeah,

556
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: so I started doing it.

557
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: It's fun. He's so he's so funny. I did a

558
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: pilot with him once. He's really really fun and good.

559
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd want to work for him.

560
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, with him, I'm going to put it this way,

561
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: He's very good to me.

562
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, I totally know what that means.

563
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: And that's where I'll lead it. And yeah, like he's

564
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: just been really really good to me.

565
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how have you navigated Hollywood both as a kid

566
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: and as an adult that you would sort of pass

567
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: on as advice to other people, like, here's what I learned,

568
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: here's what I did, and here's what worked well.

569
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing. And again I can

570
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: only speak to people who are actors and everyone else.

571
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I think it's just really

572
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: important as an actor to have a full, amazing, rich

573
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: life that you enjoy and love and invest in that

574
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: you can drop at any moment to go get it,

575
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: to go take.

576
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: A job because we could.

577
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: So there's this level of, right, there's this level of

578
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: really embracing and having the life that you want and

579
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: create and manifest and do it and pay for and

580
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, and then yeah, you know, you

581
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: got to drop it and go away for two months

582
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: and go do something. But it's also what is so

583
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: frigging exciting, and listen, the business I am in is

584
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: so amazing and I love it so much in that

585
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: your life can change in a day. Mine has done

586
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: that numerous times, and I don't know anyone else's career

587
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: where that happens. Yeah, and it's by the way, I

588
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: have no power over it. Talk about powerlessness, right, Like,

589
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's so random. I find that very exciting.

590
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: I find that challenging. I don't find it scary. It's

591
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: a little anxiety provoking. Again, as I get older, it

592
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: gets much easier. I've been doing this for forty seven years. Like,

593
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: at some point you realize this is probably for me,

594
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: you know this life.

595
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I do now. Yeah, this is

596
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: what I do.

597
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: It's like every career. There's costs, theres but then you

598
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: know the prize. My best friend Tara, who's also an actor,

599
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: has been acting since she was eighteen, same age as

600
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: I am. We've been friends forever. We talk about how

601
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: incredible it is that at our age there's still excitement

602
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: and what's around the corner and what job? And it's

603
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: so fabulous.

604
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, to have a life.

605
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: That has a piece of that in there. I mean

606
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I thrive in it.

607
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: Talk about Palm ray Olt, What a fun what an

608
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: incredible cast? This looks like such a fun show.

609
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, it's ridiculous. It is a dream in every aspect.

610
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: The people I'm working with the people I'm working for

611
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: the part, especially in season two, and Holiday just becomes

612
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: not only outside of the story, but a part of

613
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: the story. Which I'm so grateful to our creator Abe

614
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: and Kristen for allowing this character to just do a

615
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: deep dive into the plot now of season two. It's

616
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: a kick in the pants on every level. And we

617
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: have the best time making season two and we are

618
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: praying and rubbing buddhas and lighting candles and on the

619
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: beads for season three pick up. Yeah, but we'll see

620
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: how everybody responds to it. I'm excited. There's some really

621
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: great surprises, really great.

622
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: That's great.

623
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as guest cast stand plot lines and

624
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: who comes back and who doesn't and who moves forward,

625
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: and it's it's great all with Kristin at the helm.

626
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: That's that's very much the thing. Now, Like you know,

627
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: a successful show like a White Lotus could start all

628
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: over in a season with totally new people and there

629
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: aren't always holdovers, and you know, cast members can can

630
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: be killed off, and you know that happened with Game

631
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: of Thrones a lot of like the big the big

632
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: stars were killed off. Yes, that's a that's different than

633
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: how we were making shows series anyway before, in the

634
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties and even early two thousands. What's that

635
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: like as an actor to know, you know, this show

636
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: could look totally different next year and I might not

637
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: even be on it.

638
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't, It didn't, it does. I mean season

639
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: two is wildly different than season one, no joke about it.

640
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: It's got a different vibe field tone. I mean, all

641
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: that you love is back. But but we we just

642
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: we get on skis and go for it. I mean

643
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: it's like it is so funny and so zany and

644
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: so full of highjinks and fantasticness the side in a word,

645
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I hope people just buckle in and enjoy it is

646
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: such it's such a fun ride. I think people will

647
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: be very pleased.

648
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Awesome.

649
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: Uh.

650
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: We talk a lot about mental health on this show

651
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: because it's simplar to me and I've shared my stories

652
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Speaker 2: with my struggle with anxiety. How do you protect your

653
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Speaker 2: mental health? Well, a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: I have a really significant support group which helps, and

655
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: a group of friends. And again what we talked about

656
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Speaker 1: like a real emphasis on building my life as a

657
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: good one, and it's a choice. And I just think

658
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: it's all about choices, and I think sometimes we forget

659
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: right that we actually have a choice in what we read,

660
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: what we watch, how we think, what do, how we

661
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: interact with people, no matter what else is going on

662
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: around us. That I you know, it's also like acting

663
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: for me how I describe acting, which is, I have

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Speaker 1: access to all my emotions, but I'm not a slave

665
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Speaker 1: to any one of them. I live my life like that, essie,

666
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I own myself to feel anxious, to

667
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: feel scared, uncertainty, rage, frustration, but I don't let it,

668
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't let it rule the day, and

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Speaker 1: I don't let it overtake the joy I refuse. You know, Listen,

670
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Speaker 1: I have my Granny Roses disposition, Thank god, I know

671
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: not everyone, and I have dear friends who were not

672
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: born with a Granny Rose disposition. Terminal optimism. See the

673
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: good in everyone, you know, pull for everyone else. That

674
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Speaker 1: just like sun, there's something for everybody. Like you know,

675
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: what is yours is yours. I maybe want my version

676
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Speaker 1: of it, but I don't covet other people's lives, husbands,

677
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that comes

678
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Speaker 1: from I mean, people are different, and I get that,

679
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: but I think it's a choice, and I actively choose

680
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: every morning when upon awakening and every morning when my

681
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: head hits the pillow, to be grateful, to try and

682
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: be humble, and also ask ask for what I want right,

683
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm no foul like, I'm okay with that. I've been

684
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: doing that a really long time and it seems to

685
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Speaker 1: work for me.

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00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: What do you want to do next?

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00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, I just think the best is

688
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: yet to come. And I mean that in the best way.

689
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm reclaiming that. I'm reclaiming that phrase. I you know,

690
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I just feel career wise, interpersonal, all that there's just

691
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: so much life to live. And it has been such

692
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding from society and from most of the people

693
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: in my life in my thirties and forties that when

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Speaker 1: you hit your fifties it's over. And I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you, this decade has been the best, the best

696
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: outside of losing my dad, the best. And what I

697
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: can only ascertain from that is that the sixties are

698
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: going to be even better. Yeah, you know, and given

699
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: good health, seventies as well. So I find a level

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Speaker 1: of excitement and optimism about the future. Knowing full well,

701
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: what is happening to my state, my country, our world.

702
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm very aware I don't have rose colored glasses on,

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00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: but I think I'm an act of and integral part

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00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: of spreading kindness and joy. I think it's contagious, and

705
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: so I choose to like lead with that and I

706
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Speaker 1: have my life. Yeah, so that's the plan.

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Speaker 2: That's a good plan. Okay, let's finish with a fun

708
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: lightning round. Okay, what do you miss the most about

709
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Speaker 2: the eighties?

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Speaker 3: No?

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00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: Social media? Yeah yeah, yep, yeah, and mobile phones like

712
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: I love mine, but I hate mine?

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00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 2: Like yeah, same yeah, same yeah. What's your favorite movie

714
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: of all time?

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00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: Oh? Gosh, I have two. It's Willy Wonka and the

716
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Chocolate Family Willy Wonka in the Chocolate or Factory and

717
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: the original Sunset Boulevard.

718
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Have you seen the Broadway revival?

719
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: Yes? And magnificent, but just the film is priceless.

720
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, what's your favorite book?

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00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Oh? That's really hard. I am a voracious reader. That's

722
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: really challenging. But you know what, I'm gonna have to say.

723
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Speaker 1: Something that really got me into reading the book that

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Speaker 1: got me into reading, yes, was Roots, Alex Haley's Roots

725
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Speaker 1: and you know it's the only autograph I ever got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's an incredible.

727
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: I do have to say, like in high school it

728
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: was the Grapes of Wrath, and as soon as I

729
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: read Roots, Yeah, there was something about it in every

730
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: aspect that just gripped me and made me become a

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Speaker 1: voracious reader.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah great. What was your worst vacation? Oh?

733
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: Think? I love vacation. Essay. I love traveling. I love trips.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just take me anywhere. I will not say no,

735
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: but I do have to say not a fan of

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Speaker 1: This is not going to be popular. Don't like Vegas?

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00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this is not for me.

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Speaker 1: So I will have to say my last trip to Vegas.

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00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: And for no reason other than it's not even Vegas's fault,

740
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: I just don't like it.

741
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: It's just not for you.

742
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: It's like a cruise ship on land.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sick. Oh, I have the same I have the

744
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: same sensibility like Vegas. You're great at what you do?

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00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't want to.

746
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: Do it's not for me? Yeah, totally. Okay. What's the

747
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: thing you do best besides acting?

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Speaker 1: Ooh? Probably cheerlead? I really I love cheerleading. People that

749
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: I love and respect and admire and yeah, and I'm

750
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Speaker 1: good at it. The truth.

751
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: What's the best thing your parents ever did for you?

752
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, there's so many. As I say, the first

753
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: serendipitous thing that happened to me was I was born

754
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: to naton Iina Cone. Yeah, that is literally the truth. Yeah,

755
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, my dad passed, he's still doing great things

756
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: for me. They just say both are. But yeah, I

757
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: think my mom is. She's such an incredible person and woman.

758
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: I just want to grow up and be just like her.

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00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: Both of them. They're just do the right thing. It's

760
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: really irritating. I'd like to do that too.

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Speaker 2: Besides Facts of Life, what was the best eighties sitcom?

762
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: Oh? Yikes, m oh my god.

763
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: I I don't even know what to say. I know

764
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm.

765
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Speaker 1: Gonna pull it out of my tush a little bit,

766
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: only because I'm going to say Different World.

767
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we had some weird ones like Alf small Wonders.

768
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: We both said Elf, you know that.

769
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: Like, what why were we with so many aliens?

770
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: Oh?

771
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: My god, I did Hollywood Squares with Elf. He had

772
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: his own squares, Bastard, Like.

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Speaker 2: What what that's amazing?

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00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we.

775
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: Did some weird ones in the eighties.

776
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm just having kind of a mind numb. I'm having

777
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: a yeah, a little bit of a mind numb.

778
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: And also, you know what I would say, but this

779
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: is so controversial, Yeah, Cosby Show. I mean, the Cosby

780
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: Show was so there's nothing good.

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00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: There's no reason it should be controversial because the show

782
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: is the show.

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00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: It was so good.

784
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: It was it was agreed, agreed, see agreed.

785
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's not You're right. It's not

786
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: controversial to say that show is great. That is uncontroversial. Objectively,

787
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: it was fantastic. It's just it hurts. It's a little

788
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: sad to think back on that show, knowing what we

789
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: know now. But it was so good.

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00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: It's a horror.

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00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: It's a horror. Okay. The last question we ask every podcast.

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00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: It's the most important to me. When is it iced

793
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: coffee season?

794
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Always? I live in Los Angeles.

795
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: Three single, it's the correct answer. That's the correct answer.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, it's year round, it's truth, year round. Thank you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: This was so great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my god, thank you. I so

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. So three me too, Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate so much of what you've given us, you know,

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Speaker 2: publicly and and also personally. You're just so lovely. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming on the pod. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: My pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next week on Off the Cup, country music

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Speaker 2: star and activist Shelley Wright.

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Speaker 3: This is the kid me who, when she was four

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Speaker 3: told the entire town of Wellsville, Kansas. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be on the Grand Ole Opry and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: sing on the radio and make records. And I kitch

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Speaker 3: you not Ssie. My whole town.

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