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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the podcast where every

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Speaker 1: week we read about a terrible person, and this one

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Speaker 1: is part two of the story of Savitri Debbie and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, today is the episode recorded on the tail

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Speaker 1: end of my recorder's battery. So we are fucking daredevils

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like Robert, you're edging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the podcast edging. Yes, this is edging.

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Speaker 1: This is what it means.

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Speaker 4: This.

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Speaker 3: I've never been totally cloi, but I think that this.

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Speaker 1: I am the first person to edge more than one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand people at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that was a flex on many levels, and I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to wow through it.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So that's what edging's all about.

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Speaker 3: Edging is just plowing through it. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 3: Edging is when you're like, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Going when you bring someone to Yeah, you go to

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Speaker 1: like the edge of orgasm, but you keep stopping.

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Speaker 3: And then your leg that's the joke.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, okay, Well I've brought up the joke originally,

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Speaker 2: and now I'm explaining why I was corrected.

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Speaker 3: Yes, which is what all great comedians do.

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Speaker 1: So so in October of nineteen forty five, Hitler's death

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Speaker 1: still fresh on her mind, Savitri Devi took part in

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Speaker 1: the Festival of Kali at the Kaligat Temple in Calcutta Now.

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Speaker 1: Kali is the Hindu deity of destruction, a blue skinned goddess,

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Speaker 1: and in traditional depictions, she wears a necklace of severed heads,

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Speaker 1: every conceivable manner of ancient weapon in her many arms.

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Speaker 1: You see a lot of times. Yeah, it's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Like some of the statues of her are like fucking

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Speaker 1: twenty feet tall. Its metal as hell. Yeah. So, as

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Speaker 1: the goddess of destruction, Khali tends to inspire some pretty

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Speaker 1: powerful feelings. As Savitri stared up at the image of

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Speaker 1: her goddess, covered in gore and armed with massive swords

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Speaker 1: the size of small she belegged Khali for her blessing,

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Speaker 1: a blessing of violence and destruction against the Allied powers

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Speaker 1: who had destroyed her beloved Nazi Germany. She left the

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Speaker 1: ceremony convinced that it was now her duty to do

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Speaker 1: what she'd failed to do back in nineteen thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: She had to finally travel to Germany and take part

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Speaker 1: in the resistance to the Allies by any means necessary.

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Speaker 1: She left her twenty cats and the care of a

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Speaker 3: That's so mean to that friend.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, and the cats. Yeah, it's pretty wild cats behind.

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Speaker 1: This is a person who leaves her twenty cats behind

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Speaker 1: and the care of a friend to go be a Nazi,

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Speaker 1: like a month or two after Hitler died, Like months

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Speaker 2: You can get that text here, just like, hey, so,

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Speaker 2: like I have to go do a thing.

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Speaker 3: Could you look after my cats indefinitely?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, could you look after my cats and definitely while

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Speaker 1: I go to try to resurrect Nazism in nineteen forties Germany.

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Speaker 3: Parentheses, there's twenty of the cats.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's all this good stuff, all the cruel.

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Speaker 2: And horrible things that this woman has done, and I

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Speaker 2: don't even know all of them.

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Speaker 3: Yet this has to rank like top ten. This is bad.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty bad. She's a bad Yeah, she's not a

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Speaker 1: great friend or person. No, but she does finally reach

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Speaker 1: the birthplace of Hitlerism, the center of the ideology she'd

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Speaker 1: in her book Gold in the Furnace, that the gods

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Speaker 1: had ordained that I should have a glimpse of ruins,

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Speaker 1: bitter irony of fate. Germany at that point was still

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Speaker 1: victorious enemies. So Very Tree's writing about this time shows

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Speaker 1: a wild ignorance about the extent of actual Nazi crimes,

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Speaker 1: because she's so horrified at how bad things are in Germany.

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Speaker 1: She writes, quote one remembers, I say that episode of

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Speaker 1: the Second War, as one beholds the ruins of all

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Speaker 1: the German cities, the plight of men and women in

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Speaker 1: the misery, all the bitterness consequent of that devilish bombing.

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Speaker 1: Streams of fire, tons of phosphorus relentlessly poured over his

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Speaker 1: people for five years. These were England's thanks to Adolf

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Speaker 1: Hitler for having shown mercy to her soldiers in his

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Speaker 1: the parachutists captured on German soil, Which is like, so

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Speaker 1: she's framing the British evacuations from the coast of France

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Speaker 1: he's also talking about the mercy of Germany and not

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Speaker 1: she's ignoring, for one example, the Malmedy massacre, in which

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Speaker 1: machine guns. She's also ignoring the estimated three point three

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Speaker 1: million Russian POWs who died in German custody. But if

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Speaker 4: But fair fair, she whitewashes things a bit, is the point. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you a bit, just a bit a scooch. Just obviously

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be horrible seeing Germany after World War Two,

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Speaker 4: because like the bombing campaign over Germany was one of

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Speaker 4: the greatest crimes in history. That said, they kind of

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Speaker 4: had it coming.

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Speaker 3: The tags tonight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, fuck man, if anyone has ever deserved that,

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Speaker 1: it's fucking Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 2: I mean they are they do present themselves as a

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can. You can say the Allies. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the Allies went overboard in some areas, while also being like,

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Speaker 1: but what were they supposed to do?

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Speaker 2: I think a bit of an overreaction may have been

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Speaker 2: like it's historically You're like, okay, okay, yeah, you gotta

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I it's it's something to not be

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Speaker 1: the ones committed by Nazi Germany. Yeah, sure, sure yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: before visiting Germany, Savitri had hung out in Spheeden, where

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Speaker 1: her mission was to deliver a message of hope to

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Speaker 1: five hundred leaflets by hand. Each featured a swastika, and

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Speaker 1: glorious national socialist faith and resist, Defy the people, Defy

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Speaker 1: the powers which work to do Nazify the German nation

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Speaker 1: and the whole world. Nothing can destroy what is built

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Speaker 1: on truth. We are pure gold, which can be tested

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Speaker 1: Hope and wait, Heil Hitler. So she writes five hundred

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Speaker 1: Savitri Devi takes a train across Germany and tosses out

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Speaker 1: Attached to each was a gift, a small amount of coffee, sugar, butter,

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Speaker 2: So she is a lot of commitment, A lot of

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and that is all you can say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is yeah. Now. So she gets inspired by

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Speaker 1: six thousand additional leaflets to take to Germany. Using a

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Speaker 1: six thousand leaflets. She also met with a number of

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Speaker 1: Savitri would then talk about her belief that Adolf Hitler

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Speaker 2: Imagine Hitler was your tupac, Like that is such a

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Speaker 3: No, he's on an island somewhere. You don't understanding.

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Speaker 1: Album. Yeah, he's got really Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't the holograms a decoy? Oh yeah, sleek, I mean

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Speaker 2: I think we can. I mean that said, we both

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Speaker 1: Oh no, the hologram is absolutely decoy. Now.

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Speaker 1: One one of these conversations that Savitri had with the

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Speaker 1: former Wehrmacht soldier is worth me reading out here. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote again from the book Hitler's priestess quote,

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Speaker 1: freedom and justice. These damned democrats. They have tied us

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Speaker 1: our iron, our steel, all that we have, and into

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Speaker 1: for the war, These confounded liars. He lusted for revenge.

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Speaker 1: He longed for the day when the last Allies ran

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Speaker 1: for their lives to escape Germany, when Paris would lay

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Speaker 1: would show neither mercy nor good humor. Savitri Devi felt

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Speaker 1: a sense of mounting excitement as his mood became ever uglier,

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Speaker 1: he would kill his enemies. This was the spirit she sought,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, she had me at the beginning

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Speaker 1: Basically, it's it's fucking weird. Second in her holy Trinity

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Speaker 1: If this Holy Trinity doesn't work for you, consider embracing

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Speaker 3: Products, services, and god, what's the third one?

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Speaker 1: Each each is one and a half of the trinity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they add up to three products. Mm hmmm, we're back.

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Speaker 1: So God, there's so much to get through with this.

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Speaker 1: This woman's fucking stupid, stupid, fucking beliefs, but they're very important.

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Speaker 2: They're stupid, and they're also kind.

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Speaker 1: A civilization that makes such a ridiculous fuss about alleged

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Speaker 1: war crimes, acts of violence against the actual or potential

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Speaker 1: enemies of one's cause, and tolerates slaughterhouses and vivisection laboratories

441
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Speaker 1: and circuses in the fur industry, infliction and pain upon

442
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Speaker 1: creatures that can never be for or against any cause,

443
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Speaker 1: does not deserve to live out with it. Blessed the

444
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: day it will destroy itself, so that a healthy, hard,

445
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: frank and brave, nature loving and truth loving elite of

446
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: superman with a life centered faith, a natural human aristocracy

447
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: is beautiful on its own higher level, as the four

448
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: legged kings of the jungle might again rise and rule

449
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Speaker 1: upon its remains forever. So again, you see how because

450
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: of the kind of stuff she's written, she's there's there's

451
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: these bridges. She's a big part of why there's bridges

452
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: between the eco movement and the Nazi movement. And there

453
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: very much are on like the hard edge of the

454
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Speaker 1: of the of the eco movement, of the anti climate

455
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: change movement. There are Nazis and left wing activists who

456
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 1: kind of increasingly seem like Nazis in a lot of cases.

457
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Speaker 1: Just not to say that like even supporting radical environmental

458
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: action makes you a Nazi, it's to say that, like,

459
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Speaker 1: part of the what Sevitri achieved is building in roads

460
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Speaker 1: between these groups and the Nazi movement. So now more

461
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that get into Nazism through environmentalism,

462
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Speaker 1: and Savitri Devi's a part of that. And that's kind

463
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Speaker 1: of the story we're telling today.

464
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Speaker 3: Sazism really knows how to ruin a good thing.

465
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Speaker 1: It wasn't as good at it before Savitri dev It's

466
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: always been a ruiner, but she really took it to

467
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Speaker 1: new levels.

468
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Speaker 3: Oh good, as long as she elevated how bad it was.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

470
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the Lightning in the Sun her opus, posits a

472
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Speaker 1: cyclical view of history. She believed that time began with

473
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Speaker 1: a Golden Age, in which it was dominated by the perfect.

474
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Speaker 2: Area like age.

475
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Speaker 1: Like a sun god. Yeah, And this degraded slowly into

476
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Speaker 1: a Silver Age and then a Bronze Age. And both

477
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Speaker 1: of these worse ages featured increased racial mixing that weakened

478
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Speaker 1: the arians. They also featured pernicious Jewish influence. The next

479
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Speaker 1: age is the kali Yuga, or dark Age, which Savitri

480
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: believed the world had all already entered into. She also

481
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Speaker 1: called this dark age the reign of the Jew.

482
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Speaker 3: No.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way out of this dark age was

484
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Speaker 1: for the Man against Time Hitler to gather up the

485
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: terrible weapons of the dark Age and use them to

486
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Speaker 1: bring about the return of the Golden Age, presumably through

487
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Speaker 1: genocidal purging of non arians and the establishment of a

488
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Speaker 1: strict racial hierarchy. Her book was dedicated quote to the

489
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Speaker 1: godlike individual of our times, the Man against Time, the

490
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: greatest European of all times, both sun and lightning. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: as a tribute of unfailing loyalty and love forever and

492
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: ever God.

493
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Speaker 3: You know, there's been a lot said about fan culture.

494
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with all of it, but you know,

495
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: this is a real argument against fan culture.

496
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Speaker 1: This is the worst fan culture has ever gone. I

497
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: feel comfortable saying bad.

498
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Speaker 4: This is this is this is this is the worst

499
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Speaker 4: it can go.

500
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: This is bad stand culture.

501
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: It's bad, bad, bad there and even the way that

502
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: she writes and structures these things, it kind of you

503
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: can hear that like interest in ancient history in there,

504
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: because it just sounds like she's kind of connecting these

505
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: lines that don't actually exist to make it sound like

506
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: to I mean kind of like the way she like

507
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: arguably maybe lifted some of her own like self mythologizing

508
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: from mind comps. Like she's just like putting something she

509
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: wants to say into a familiar framework.

510
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called syncretisy. Well, this is part of syncretism,

511
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: is like taking these other things that you like and

512
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: sticking it onto this thing. And this is like the

513
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: main things she goes down in history for doing to Nazism. Yeah,

514
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: now I have I have a lot of debates with

515
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 1: myself putting this together about how much detailed to get

516
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: into about Savitri's theories. There's a really dark, very vile

517
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: world of esoteric Hitlerist fantasy based in large part off

518
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: of her writing. And this shit is dangerous. It spreads

519
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: a kind of ideological infection that grabs impressionable children, primarily

520
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: in a vice like grip, and turns them into something

521
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: very dangerous. And a lot of people have died from this,

522
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: and I am not going to If you're very knowledgeable

523
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 1: about this, you will notice there is a lot of

524
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: things I'm leaving out just because like this is enough

525
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: to understand it. And I don't want to just like

526
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: be spreading weird Nazi propaganda to an audience.

527
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: As you said, one hundred thousand people, the Robert that

528
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: is the most merciful thing you've ever done on this

529
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: entire podcast.

530
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just too dangerous in my opinion.

531
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Speaker 3: That's good. That's yeah, I agree. And I don't even

532
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: know what it was.

533
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: It's fucking weird, stupid shit. But yeah. The last thing

534
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: that's really important to understand about Savitri Devi's beliefs is

535
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: that she decided Hitler was what she called well, she

536
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: was not the only person. Other people had the same idea,

537
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: but she's one of the more prominent ones. The kali Yuga,

538
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: the tenth incarnation of Vishnu, and she used several segments

539
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: from August kubaz K's ill advised book The Young Hitler.

540
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: I knew Kubazek was Hitler's friend when they were like teenager.

541
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: He wrote a terrible book. It's valuable because it's the

542
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: only insight we haven't hit Hitler at that period, but

543
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: he clearly wrote it to make money.

544
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: Is it like my friend Dahmer? Is it like that? Yeah,

545
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: it's like that same vibe of like this horrible person. Yeah,

546
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: I knew you're like.

547
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: We were buried cool. Yeah, but you also get the

548
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: feeling that Kubazek didn't really think he was horrible until

549
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: he like he was writing it initially to be in

550
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: a biography that was published under the Nazi regime as

551
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: like a pro Hitler piece of propaganda, so they lost

552
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the war, and then he just kind of rewrote it

553
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: so that it could be like, well, now I'm just

554
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just going to explain my evil friend

555
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: to the allies.

556
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: It was so fucking sinister.

557
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean the people. SHARE's a lot

558
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: of debates to have about Kubazek, but most historians will agree, well,

559
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: you have to read Kubazek. You have to take him

560
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: with like a lot of salt. Yeah, he's trying to

561
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: takes him with no salt at all. And she pulls

562
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: several passages from his book as like evidence that Hitler

563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: was the Collie Yuga and was like channeling fucking Vishnu. Yeah,

564
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: it's this.

565
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: Woman does not understand Shades of Gray even remote.

566
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: No, she's just okay.

567
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: She would have written Shades of Gray though if she

568
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: had been around.

569
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: I wish she.

570
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Had, like against the better world.

571
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, as with literally every single person you've ever told

572
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: me about on this cursed show, Robert, everything would have

573
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: been better off if people had just channeled their horny

574
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: energy into fan fiction instead of brutal hate and murder

575
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: every single time.

576
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Speaker 1: Masturbating to fan fiction is the only things that will

577
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: save us from the next Hitler.

578
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: It will absolutely and and and that's where the kylo

579
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: ren stands come in.

580
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Speaker 1: If you know an angry person who spends too much

581
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: time writing fan fiction for under no circumstances, stop them,

582
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: encourage that behavior.

583
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, them doing it of.

584
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: I can't even begin to tell you.

585
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.

586
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is horrible, Okay, horrible, back to what

587
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: you were saying, that was horrible.

588
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: So she like reads Kubazek and she becomes convinced that

589
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: a couple chunks of that book are evidence that Hitler

590
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: is channeling Vishnu, is the avatar of Vishnu. Yeah, so yeah,

591
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: there's like there are these moments in the book where like,

592
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: Hitler will like that that Kubazak writes very like purple Prosy,

593
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: where Hitler will like suddenly like in the middle of

594
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Speaker 1: a conversation, like make some sort of like grand statement

595
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: about the future. And it's like, maybe it's true because

596
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: he was Hitler, Like it wouldn't be the weirdest thing

597
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: of Hitler had always been that guy, right, sure. But

598
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: also Kubazek wrote this, well, after Hitler, you know, was

599
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: done with and it's entirely possible he was like, people

600
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: are going to expect him to make grand speeches that

601
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: are like dark and crazy about the future because he

602
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: was Hitler, and he threw them in there because that's

603
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: what people like, We don't know, ye. Yeah. So decades later,

604
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Savitri Devi would claim that her initial inspiration for the

605
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: idea that Hitler was the calai Yuga had come from

606
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Speaker 1: a conversation she'd had in nineteen thirty six with Satyananda Swami,

607
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: the founder and head of the Hindu mission where she'd worked.

608
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: She claims that Satyananda used to say, and I'm cluding

609
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: directly from her writing here, Adolf Hitler is the reincarnation

610
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: of the god Vishnu. Vishnu is the aspect of the

611
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Hindu Trinity who goes to keep things from rushing to destruction,

612
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: to keep them back to go on against time. Time

613
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: is destruction. You have to destroy in order to create again.

614
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: But there are forces that try to postpone destruction. And

615
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: he said Hitler was the reincarnation of that force, and

616
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: he was. He was. But it's a nice thing to hear,

617
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: a very refreshing thing to hear from a Hindu sage.

618
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: I told him, I came here because I'm really a pagan,

619
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Speaker 1: a worshiper of the Sun, and I believe in the

620
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: pagan reaction of Emperor Julian. And I came to India

621
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: to get, if possible, a sort of tropical equivalent of

622
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: what we have had in Europe before Christianity. And I

623
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: am not a disciple of any Indian. I'm at aciple

624
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitl. He said, good, good, Adolf Hitler. He's

625
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: as much a Hindu as any of our Hindus. He's

626
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: an incarnation of the god Vishnu, probably never happened, but

627
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: might have, I mean.

628
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: Particulate.

629
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. But one of the things that Hindu scholars,

630
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Speaker 1: who again are generally very critical of a lot of

631
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: all of these claims, if Saveetris, will point out some

632
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: like one of the kind of downsides of sort of

633
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: this very open aspect of Hindu mythology where it kind

634
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: of accepts new things and new gods and other religions,

635
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: and like it's very open canonically in a lot of ways.

636
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: And so there were a lot of Indians who would

637
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: have who very well might have been like, oh, okay,

638
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: you worship Hitler. Sure, he's probably like this, like because

639
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: like they're just looking at a way to understand through

640
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: their religion this thing that matters to you. Like, yeah, again,

641
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: who knows, you'll get different opinions on this than ane

642
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: who you go to. So, yeah, we don't know what's true.

643
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: What is important is that after Savitri Devi starts writing

644
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: about all this shit, a lot of Nazis come to

645
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: believe it. In fact, the reeling and wounded remaining Nazis

646
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: of the West felt like Savitri's occult musings were basically

647
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air, and she spent her middle

648
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: and later years traveling around and meeting fascists all over

649
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: the world. In nineteen sixty one, she made her first

650
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: direct connection with the English neo Nazis of the British

651
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: National Party or b and P. As the war years

652
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: receded further and further away, an international agglomeration of fascist

653
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: inclined folks began to link up and plan together for

654
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Speaker 1: a resurgence of Nazism. Savitri Devi was at the center

655
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Speaker 1: of it. As this paragraph from Hitler's Priestess illustrates quote.

656
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Speaker 1: She lost no time in contacting Andrew Fontaine, the president

657
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: of the B and P. A spring camp attended by

658
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: twenty delegates from European nationalist groups was held on Fonteane's

659
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Speaker 1: estate at Narford at Narford, Norfolk, in May of nineteen

660
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Speaker 1: sixty one. Those present included Robert Lyon, a young leader

661
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: in the American National States Rights Party, which violently opposed

662
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: to segregation in the South, representatives from German neo Nazi groups,

663
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: and Savitri Devi. Another key figure was EXSS Lieutenant Friedrich

664
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Speaker 1: Borth born in nineteen twenty eight. This blue eyed, blonde

665
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Austrian Nazi had served in the Luftwaffa and the VAFNSS.

666
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: As a teenage officer, he had commanded an assault group

667
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: and won the Iron Cross. After serving a three year

668
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 1: jail sentence in post war Vienna, he published an SS

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00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: veteran magazine, Das Camrade, which was swiftly suppressed by the

670
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Soviet authorities. Thereafter, he was connected with numerous extreme right

671
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: wing groups and attended the most international fascist gatherings. He

672
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: led the boom Heimertured Yugen until its banning in nineteen

673
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: fifty nine, and then branded the Legion Europa, the Austrian

674
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: section of THEO Arts, GEO and Europe, another international grouping

675
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: inspired by the French Oas in Algeria and Belgian rancors

676
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: over the loss of the Congo. After a busy schedule

677
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: of lectures at Narfurt, the participants celebrated their Nordic racial

678
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: identity with Folkish songs and tankards of traditional ale around

679
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: the campfire. So you see what's happening here, Savitri Devi

680
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: gets pulled into not just neo Nazi groups and not

681
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: just old Nazis. She's meeting with the American States Rights Party,

682
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: she's meeting with like the Belgians who are angry that

683
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: they've lost control of the Congo, and she's meeting with

684
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: all these old neo Nazis and the British National Party

685
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: and stuff.

686
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: Would you say at this point she is out of

687
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: her depth in terms of I can't believe you did that.

688
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: No, no, I did no, no, no, I think she No,

689
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: she's not out of her depth at all. Okay, she is.

690
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: What she is doing is helping to draw She's not

691
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: the only force doing this, but she's helping to draw

692
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: these groups together by providing the early Like these are

693
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: all separate groups, like the Cause of desegregation, like a

694
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: lot of racists who don't want America to segregated, fought

695
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: against the Nazis. She is a part of all these different,

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: like very far right groups, including Nazis, coming together and

697
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, starting to embrace these weird

698
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: this weird Nazi religion she's she's invented as something to

699
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: unify all of them. That's what starts to happen in

700
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: this period. And that's what's really unique about this period

701
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: is like these are all groups like the Belgian, like

702
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: pro Congolese control of like the Belgium, Like the Belgians

703
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: weren't pro Nazi, but like these Belgians start to get

704
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: pro Nazi now because like they realize there's like this

705
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: white identity thing, but also this weird religion that is

706
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: more attractive to them than actual national socialism would have been.

707
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I mean it seems like part of her

708
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: effectiveness lies in like having so many little bits of

709
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: things for people to latch onto, so that even if

710
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: you don't agree with the larger ideology, there's a worm

711
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: on the hook that'll get you in.

712
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: That's called syncretism. That's what syncretism really is, is like

713
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: all these different things kind of it's like a Katamari

714
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: of ideology with like Nazism at the core, but all

715
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: these things sticking to it, and these things get other

716
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: people stuck to them, so like, yeah, that's what we

717
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: start to see happening in the early nineteen sixties. In

718
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, Savitri was in England again for a

719
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: gathering of worldwide Nazis that included Bastard pod main character

720
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Speaker 1: George Lincoln Rockwell.

721
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: I know this, ALR. Things are about to get way. Yeah,

722
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: not great, okay.

723
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Speaker 1: Savitri Devi was one of the signatories for the World

724
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: Union of National Socialists, a proposed organization to form a

725
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: quote combat efficient international apparatus to facilitate a return to

726
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: Nazi values and the extermination of non whites from Western nations.

727
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Now ones wound up being a bust for several reasons,

728
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: including the fact that Rockwell was almost immediately kicked out

729
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: of the United Kingdom, but he and Savitri developed a

730
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: friendly relationship. The leader of the American Nazi Party had

731
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: been on the lookout for a new American fascist religion,

732
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: something esoteric and enchanting that he could use to draw

733
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: in new members in a way that national socialist political

734
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: theory and unvarnished racism just did not, And he must

735
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: have thought The Lightning in the Sun had some potential

736
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: for he published an abridged version of the book in

737
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: the National Socialist World magazine, The.

738
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: Lightning in the Sun over to the US.

739
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: The Lightning in the Sun, it should be said, could

740
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: be a YA book that like is out right now.

741
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: I it might be to be entirely honest, and that

742
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: YA book might actually be Nazi propaganda hidden his young

743
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: adult thing.

744
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: Which oh you can't put it past?

745
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, no, no, much like for example, the

746
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Bad Ace of Bass. Wait what Yeah, the Ace of

747
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Base were Nazis? Did you not hear that?

748
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: No?

749
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: Oh? Adam Todd Brown wrote a great article about this

750
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: for correct, the Base of Aces was a Nazi submarine base.

751
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: If you watch the music video for All That She

752
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Wants is another baby. The woman who just wants another

753
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: baby to get on welfare is like holding a star

754
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: of David the entire time, and there's all these long,

755
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: lingering shots of it. There's a bunch of other stuff.

756
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: The sign that they saw is clearly a swastika if

757
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: you listen to the lyrics, it's fucked up.

758
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

759
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: But we have to blaze past that right now.

760
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: I found a book called Lightning on the Sun.

761
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty close. It's about a Nazi shit.

762
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: It's about a guy named Glenn Schmidt. Win's a store, Yeah, Glenn.

763
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Schmidt, who might be Nazi.

764
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: A moon god.

765
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Yep, that's some Nazi shit there. It is or anti Nazi,

766
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: since Nazi Savitri was all about the sun God, it

767
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: could be either. Really wow. So Savitri Devi would go

768
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: on to spend the bulk of her remaining years in India,

769
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: traveling irregularly when the demands of her national socialist beliefs

770
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: took her around the world. She remained convinced all her

771
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: life that Hitler would return, either in a new incarnation

772
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: or after revealing that he had somehow survived the war

773
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: and lead a resurgent Nazis into global victory. She retired

774
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy, living for a time at the home

775
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: of her friend Francois Dior in England. That's the Dior

776
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: you're thinking of? Really, yeah, it's well, it's the it's

777
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: like the daughter I think of the woman who created

778
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, mean granddaughter.

779
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Oh good?

780
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: She was a big Nazi backer before the war.

781
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, okay, learning more? I love fashion knowledge.

782
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Savitri Devi was kicked out of Door's house eventually for

783
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: her twin habits of refusing to bathe ever and chewing

784
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: on garlic constantly.

785
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: Can we disgusting?

786
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Come on girl? Okay, that's what gets the reaction, Sophie,

787
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: because she's terrible.

788
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: I was chewing on garlic a lot over the summer.

789
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: It helps preserve your voice. I don't think that's why

790
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: she was doing it.

791
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: Does Do we have to bathe while chewing on garlic?

792
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: Do we know what happened to her cats?

793
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

794
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 3: Solid question, Jamie.

795
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Well, she had numerous pet cats.

796
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: What happened to those twenty cats she left to Nazi

797
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: Germany with?

798
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: She I was just about to say. She spent most

799
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: of her remaining years living alone in India with dozens,

800
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: sometimes of pet cats. And at least one cobra. She

801
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: always had a fuck load of cats. Yeah, this woman

802
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get away from her cats. One thing about her.

803
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: You wou think that cats live long enough that the

804
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 2: original twenty cats she left behind would still be alive.

805
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: But then I think a lot of them were. I

806
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of them weren't.

807
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: Oh, she was taking them with.

808
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know precisely, but my assumption, based on everything

809
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: I know Savitri Devi, is that she would have absolutely

810
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: tried to get back her original cats if it was possible.

811
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: She was very into cats. Yeah, she would not have

812
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: abandoned the cats. I don't think she was real consistent

813
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: about that part. Yeah. As she grew older, Devi became

814
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: more and more convinced that the United States represented the

815
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: most fertile ground for the growth of the esoteric Nazi

816
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: religions he had spent her life helping to construct. In

817
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, she decided to travel to the United

818
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: States to do what she could do to help American

819
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: Nazism break out as a national force. She died on

820
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the way while staying at a friend's house in Great Britain.

821
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Her ashes, however, finally made it across the pond to

822
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: the United States of America, and American Nazis laid her

823
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: to rest by sprinkling her on their hero's grave, George

824
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell. So Rockwell and Savitri Devi's share a grave.

825
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Okay, So she's like, okay.

826
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who doesn't share a grave with George

827
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell and Savitri Devi.

828
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 3: The products and services were about to hawk. Yes, for now,

829
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: you never know.

830
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: For now, for now, we're back.

831
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 3: We're back.

832
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: So Savitri Devi's dead. Good finally, But this is not

833
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: the end for her, not really, because starting in the

834
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: late nineteen seventies, a famous Holocaust and iron publisher, Ernst Zundel,

835
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: had found her old work and started pushing it back

836
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: into circulation. Now, but it only developed a limited audience

837
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: in those early post war days. But now, nearly twenty

838
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: years later, people were ready for esoteric hitlersm the book

839
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Hitler's Priestess notes. By the late nineteen seventies, the historical

840
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: experience of the Third Reich was quickly receding into the past,

841
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: as popular literature and films ably demonstrated Nazism was becoming

842
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: something mythical, even fantastic and also plastic that could be

843
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: molded and combined with novel associations lyrics. By publishing the

844
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: work of Savitri Devi, Zundel aimed to create a new

845
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: coltic interest in Hitler, linking him to ancient mysteries, the

846
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: world of nature, and powerful religious symbols drawn from the

847
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: orients she was just saying there by saying it's plastic,

848
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: because he's pointing out we have all these weird movies

849
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: now about like Nazis on the Moon. You know, you've

850
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: got these fanciful stories like Wolfenstein, these games about like Nazi,

851
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: like all of this, this this fictional sort of world

852
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: that's been built up, like mythology built up around the Nazis,

853
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: usually not by people who are actual Nazis, and a

854
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: lot of cases just by people who are like, well,

855
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: they're the worst people ever, so I can make them

856
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: the bad guys. That's an easy go for a bad guy. Sure,

857
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: But Zundel is like, this is a fucking opportunity because

858
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: kids are growing up reading about these cool, evil, bad

859
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: guy Nazis. And for the same reason that kids loved

860
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: dressing up as Imperial Stormtroopers from Star Wars, kids get

861
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: interested in the Nazis from this, and he sees Savitri

862
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: Devi's work as like, I can fucking get a shitload

863
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: of kids interested in Nazism by pushing this stuff back

864
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: out there. Oh okay, and he's fucking right, yeah now,

865
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Another important architect of this whole thing, and

866
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: we're not going to get into enough, but I will

867
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: do an episode on in the future is a Chilean

868
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Nazi named Miguel Serrano. And it's from Miguel that we

869
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: actually get the term esoteric hitlersm Serano and Devi seem

870
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: to have reached essentially the same conclusion about Hitler as

871
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: an avatar of Vishnu through slightly different intellectual roots. Miguel

872
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: was a student of Young and a mythrist which we

873
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: just don't have enough time to get into, and a

874
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: member of the day once again, the Theosophical Society. He

875
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: was also an early Avid Western practitioner of yoga. Miguel

876
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: corresponded with dev during her lifetime. Before he died in

877
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. He gave interviews to Nazi magazines

878
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: with names like Black Sun, where he said this about

879
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: Savitri Devi. Quote, Savitri Devi is the greatest warrior after

880
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler, Rudolph Hess and Joseph Gebels. Moreover, she was

881
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: the first to discover the ancient and spiritual power behind Hitlerism.

882
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: She envisioned a new religion and inaugurated a sanctuary for

883
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Hitler in India. She was, as I myself am anti Christian.

884
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: She initiated completely on her own all that I have

885
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: developed up until now. It is not mere coincidence that

886
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: the Spanish Catholics published an attack against Savitri Devi, Otto

887
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: Ron and me. It was very late in her life

888
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: when we started to write each other. We just missed

889
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: each other in Europe by one week. I arrived a

890
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: few days after her death. I think that Savitri Devi

891
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: will be the greatest sister of all the priests of

892
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: esoteric hitlersmasts of Wotan.

893
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: And he's like wearing a male feminist T shirt while

894
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: he does this. He's like, I don't hate women. I

895
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: like this.

896
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: I like the worst woman I've ever heard of love.

897
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: He would not have worn him, I will say that much.

898
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: But you're getting the spirit of the guy, right, Yeah,

899
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: he's a real gigantic piece of shit. We're not getting

900
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: into it up, but he gives her credit as like

901
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: the real motive force behind the religion that Hitlerism becomes,

902
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: even though he's also like kind of independently coming to

903
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the same conclusions and even earlier in

904
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: some cases. Like she's the popularizer in a lot of way.

905
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: She has a big role in that. And yeah, he's

906
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: we'll talk about him more later today. Savitri Devi's fingerprints

907
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: can be found all over the radical and murderous chunks

908
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: of the fascist right. The Fair Creek Division an accelerationist

909
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: neo Nazi organization that's a very similar to Adam Woffen Division,

910
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: similar enough to talk about for the purposes of this podcast.

911
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Both of them seek to bring about the isolent destruction

912
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: of the current world order through to stabilizing attacks. The

913
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Fair Creek Division directly cites dev as an inspiration. The

914
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: group's gab bio includes this dev quote, creation and destruction

915
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: are one to the eyes of one who can see beauty.

916
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: Savitri's beliefs went on to have a big influence on

917
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Adam Waffen too and the members of the base who

918
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: weren't FBI agents, anti fascists or journalists, which is basically

919
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: those seven guys who got arrested.

920
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 3: That's familiar.

921
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in these groups like the Base, that we

922
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: can see some hint of what makes Savitri dev so dangerous.

923
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: The leader of the Michigan Cell of Adam Waffen Division,

924
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: who was docked a few days before I wrote this episode,

925
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: reached his position in charge of the Michigan Cell when

926
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: he was fifteen years old. The three members of the

927
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Base who were arrested in Georgia in the process of

928
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 1: trying to spark a race war were ages nineteen, twenty one,

929
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: and twenty five, respectively. These acceleration esoteric Hitlerists tend to

930
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: be young, and there is disagreement on the average age

931
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: at which people enter cults, but the work of doctor

932
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: John G. Clark, a psych professor at Harvard who surveyed

933
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: five hundred current and former cult members, suggests an average

934
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: age of nineteen and a half for new cult members.

935
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: He also points out that most new cult members are male.

936
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: This is because young men are particularly vulnerable to being

937
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: enraptured by ideologies that offer them a sense of purpose

938
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: and belonging. It's one of the reasons the same age

939
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: group is the ideal recruitment population for soldiers, but esoteric

940
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: hitlersm doesn't just suck these kids in because they're young.

941
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: And to explain this new part, I'm going to have

942
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about techism, and I am

943
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: very sorry.

944
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: No, do.

945
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: We absolutely, absolutely, yeah, we.

946
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: Really Dochism that is a joking parody of religion invented

947
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: by the shit posters four chan and eight chan during

948
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: gamer Gate. It's very dumb and talking about it makes

949
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: me feel very silly. But the short of it is

950
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: keechism started out, and for probably most people still is

951
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: a dumb gag and a way for them to make

952
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: fun of members of minority groups by pretending to be

953
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: members of a victimized religion because they think that's funny.

954
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: The whole thing focuses around shit posting and spreading memes.

955
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: But as the Trump campaign ramped up and this weird

956
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: internet movement started to have an impact on the real world, some,

957
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: particularly unhinged Anon, started to take keechism more seriously, while

958
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: others just thought the joke kept getting funnier and spread

959
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: it around. For that reason, Lawrence Murray, a writer for

960
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: the fascist podcast The Right Stuff, was probably the first

961
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: person to purposefully meld keechism with Savitri Devi's philosophy into

962
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: something he called esoteric keechism. He started shitting out memes

963
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: that replaced Hitler with Pepe as an avatar of Vishnu,

964
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: stuff like that It's very dumb. When interviewed, Murray claims

965
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: he was only half joking with the whole idea, but

966
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: like any joke of the sort on the Internet, it

967
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: spread like wildfire, and a certain chunk of the people

968
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: who saw it took it seriously, which led them to

969
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: the work of more serious fascist thinkers, people like Savitri Devi,

970
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: and led some of them into accelerationist groups like Adam

971
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Woffen and the Bass. It is not a coincidence that

972
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: andders Brevic, the Utoya, Norway shooter who massacred dozens of

973
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: children at a left wing summer camp, directly praised Hindu

974
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: nationalism in his manifesto. It is also not a total

975
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: coincidence that both anders Brevik and Brenton Tarrant, the christ shooter,

976
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: claimed to be Knights Templar, members of a Christian order

977
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: fighting against Muslims, basically, and it is not a coincidence

978
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: that the Urban Dictionary page for Keekism, written by a

979
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: gamer gator, describes it as a red pilled ideology originating

980
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: from the true Knights templar. And again, all of this

981
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: is joking. All of this is not joking. It's both

982
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: at once. It's the contradiction of modern fucking yeah.

983
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: Well that's yeah. The greatest trick the Devil ever played

984
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: was irony poisoning, because you just can't.

985
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't argue with that. And yeah, some people

986
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: will say, and it's possible. There is are some central

987
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: figures behind this spread of syncretism, like sinister individuals who

988
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: have like kind of put all this together purposefully, or

989
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: at least put pieces of it together purposefully.

990
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: Yea.

991
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: But I tend to be of the belief that most,

992
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: if not all, of it is amorphous. In Acephalis, it

993
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: happened without a head, without much intention on its own.

994
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,479
Speaker 1: There may have been bits of intention here and there,

995
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: like esoteric techism, but a lot of it just happened

996
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: because of the sort of structure Savitri Devi built. It's

997
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: just kind of the natural result of the amorphous and

998
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: sticky nature of the faith that she created. If Hindu

999
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: mythology and ancient Egyptian history can be folded in with

1000
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler and the Arian myth. Why can't Cechism wind

1001
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: up in there too? Why can't the Knights Templar fit

1002
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: in there too? All these weird little subcultures you've got,

1003
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: Norse mythology, chan culture, gamer culture, new age, spiritualism, environmentalism,

1004
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: even veganism. All these things appeal heavily to a lot

1005
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: of young people. And the more little bridges that you

1006
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: can build between these different communities and actual extermination is

1007
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: Nazi beliefs, the more young men will kind of accidentally

1008
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: fall in and get caught in this net. It's like

1009
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: a tunnel spider's web. And at the end, the great

1010
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: innovations have each read, every brought like that's that's the

1011
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: innovation she brought to Nazism. She took what was a

1012
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: dead political system that couldn't spread outside of Germany, not really,

1013
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: and turned it into a living, syncretic religion, something with vitality,

1014
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: something capable of mutating and absorbing and staying relevant, and

1015
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: something capable of inspiring young men to commit murder. And

1016
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: the memory of Adolf Hitler nearly a century after his.

1017
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: Death, Could you give me that word one more time.

1018
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: Of this syncretism.

1019
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: Syncretism, Yeah, I mean it's and if you are able to,

1020
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, find a way to get a group of

1021
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: people who are looking for something to believe in, who

1022
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: are maybe a little bit okay, you know what, You're right?

1023
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: I was, but yeah, just like finding a.

1024
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: Group of vulnerable, vulnerable people ideologically that need something to

1025
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: believe in and put a delicious chocolate coating on the

1026
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: outside of it.

1027
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 3: It seems to it works. It works.

1028
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Savitri? You a fan? You

1029
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: gotta check out her books.

1030
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: I can't say I'm a fan she. I don't think

1031
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: that we would.

1032
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: I don't think we would have been friends in junior

1033
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: high and I don't think we would have been friends now.

1034
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I yeah, no, I mean I truly. And it is

1035
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: interesting that we don't talk about her. I had no

1036
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: idea this person existed.

1037
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I why do you think that is? There's a degree

1038
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: to there's a degree to which I think a lot

1039
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: of people who know about her and are like researchers

1040
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: didn't really want to because there's this worry about making

1041
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: a bigger deal of it than it is. Sure, it's

1042
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of like I didn't really write about eight Chan

1043
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: much until the christ Churt shooting, when it was like, okay,

1044
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: well now we got to the base. Now it's gotten

1045
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: to those points, like all right, we got to fucking

1046
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: talk about Savitri dev Debi and esoteric hitlersm Like, we

1047
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: got to get some of this out there. I do

1048
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: think it's also just like not super well known. I

1049
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: think she was seen like really, to be entirely honest,

1050
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: I think most of her efforts would have looked like

1051
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: a failure to most observers. Observers up until maybe at

1052
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: the earliest decade ago. Okay, you know, people who were

1053
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: really aware of what was going on would have known earlier,

1054
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: but most people, even pretty well informed people, would have

1055
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: been like, well, this is kind of a dead end

1056
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and just something to like make fun of up until

1057
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: we start to the internet. Really is what provides this

1058
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: with the last ingredient it needs to take on.

1059
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she like pioneered the red pill mentality, like

1060
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah, she was a.

1061
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: Big part of that. Yeah, and we're not like Julius

1062
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 1: Evola is a big part of this. Who Steve Bannon

1063
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: fucking loves Let's me not let me.

1064
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: Not take any credit from any of the Red pil Pioneers.

1065
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: Everyone deserves to take up space.

1066
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: We'll get them all. We'll get them all on the show.

1067
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 3: We will, we will. They deserve it. Mm hmm, well

1068
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: serve it well, Robert as usual. This was absolutely horrifying

1069
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: and you've ruined my day. Thank you?

1070
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: Good? Yeah, that's the goal.

1071
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: Okay, good, And.

1072
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 2: I've got I've got some pluggables, like you can listen

1073
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: to my podcast, My Year in Mensa. It's online now,

1074
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: there's only four episodes. It's real quick. I'm on Twitter

1075
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: at Jamie Loftus help Instagram at Jamie car Superstar on

1076
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: tour for the next month or so. Jamie Loftus is

1077
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: innocent dot com. And that's what I have to say.

1078
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: I love when we talk about the warship in the

1079
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 2: entire world and at the end you're like, so, what's

1080
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: your Twitter handle?

1081
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: This is Twitter? If you really want to learn more

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Speaker 1: about esotery, Hitler is follow Sophie's Twitter. Why underscore, Sophie underscore?

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Speaker 1: Why Rob absolutely violent?

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Speaker 3: Cannot shut make me fire you no? You know, Hitler,

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Speaker 3: you know what?

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Speaker 2: Have been on Twitter for less than forty eight hours

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Speaker 2: already getting accused of crimes. Robert's gonna be canceled by

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Speaker 2: the time this came out because he blew his nose

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Speaker 2: on the mic no less than four times hours.

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Speaker 1: I am, I am ill, You're ill.

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Speaker 2: I know, but you know, but I mean now you're

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Speaker 2: just now you're just bragging about it.

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Speaker 3: Follow our podcast at Bessard's pod on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me what to do, so oh sorry, listeners,

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Speaker 1: what to do.

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Speaker 3: For get it together?

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Speaker 1: I know I didn't sleep last night and the.

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Speaker 3: Episodes nobody I know we've had the Nazism sleep last night?

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Speaker 3: That does that excuse the nose blowing? My friend having

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Speaker 3: trouble sleeping? Does it excuse the nose blowing? No?

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Speaker 1: No, No, Robert, Sophie, Robert, that's going to be okay.

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Speaker 1: It is not.

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Speaker 3: We're always getting mad. And the episode my friend and

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Speaker 3: go take a nap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the episode is over. Yay, Go hug a cat

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Speaker 1: or dog? Cats? Can you stop Nazis cat and encourage

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Speaker 1: the angriest person you know to write fan fiction.

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Speaker 3: That's truly the greatest service you can do.

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Speaker 1: Both of those things are critical.

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Speaker 2: All right, Episode's over, Bye bye,