Speaker 1: That was a hit, and I ain't think it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a hit.
Speaker 2: With one minute, man, you will put this out, Jim
Speaker 2: you crazy, This is jam all my girl.
Speaker 1: The girl's gonna cray. I'm like, yeah, I bet that
Speaker 1: with girl what going crazy? Hell died. We didn't like it,
Speaker 1: but then what it blew up? I said that girl, missus.
Speaker 1: She knows that from that point on you never questioned anything.
Speaker 1: It was like Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: Yes, my Queen, all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,
Speaker 3: bat price, want to Slice, got the brother of Geist
Speaker 3: Swatt all my life. I'p be grinding all my life,
Speaker 3: all my life, and grinding all my life, sacrifice hustle,
Speaker 3: bat to Price, Wan Slice, got the brother of Geist
Speaker 3: Swash all my life.
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life.
Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to another edition of Club Shay Shay. I
Speaker 2: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriud of
Speaker 2: Club sha Shay. And the guy that's stopping by for
Speaker 2: conversation and a drink today is a global icon. He
Speaker 2: has more top ten hits than Elvis and the Beatles,
Speaker 2: twenty one Grammy nominations, four wins, a DJ superduce. He
Speaker 2: was a rapper, songwriter, executive entrepreneur, the emperor of sound,
Speaker 2: none other than Tim Land.
Speaker 1: Tim, what's up right? I'm blessed? How you doing? You
Speaker 1: know what? Brother?
Speaker 2: When you come on the show and I have someone
Speaker 2: to distinguished it yourself, I got to told your career
Speaker 2: and more things to come appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Mm got your mom with those out there you are
Speaker 4: conyac drink this rame here Ooh that shame shame.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Shame. Yes, thanks for stopping by. How
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm great, man, I'm blessed. I'm blessed. You
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the beginning. I wanna go start
Speaker 2: back when you go all the way back to Virginia.
Speaker 2: I was reading your story. You have a man, you
Speaker 2: have a very interesting life, and you accomplished some great things.
Speaker 2: But this almost didn't happen at sidently got shot working
Speaker 2: at Red Lobster. What transpired? How did this event come about?
Speaker 2: I was a kid who always just loved music, you know,
Speaker 2: growing from the South. As I look back at it now,
Speaker 2: we really wasn't you know my parents God bless him,
Speaker 2: but we really wasn't taught, you know, like we can
Speaker 2: go higher.
Speaker 1: Right. I was just a kid who always dreamed so big,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I gotta this music thing is just
Speaker 1: on my heart. So even when I got shot.
Speaker 2: I still it's just it's just something I had to
Speaker 2: do as a kid, as that was my calling because
Speaker 2: I was a dishwasher working at Red Lobster and music
Speaker 2: just called me.
Speaker 1: And then you get shot of the dishwasher, you in
Speaker 1: the back. That's a good question.
Speaker 2: But you know, how were young and my own boy
Speaker 2: had a gun. He said, Yo, I'm gonna get your
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get your boy. I'm gonna get your boy.
Speaker 1: Waits.
Speaker 2: So this is the craziest thing. We It's like a
Speaker 2: promo for a fight. And high school kids like, wait
Speaker 2: to the football game. I'm gonna get you. You could
Speaker 2: have been for it, right, but they waited. They built
Speaker 2: this up. So my whole boy grabbed a removal and
Speaker 2: he was putting up in the bag. He said, wait
Speaker 2: till the night's game. And as he was putting up
Speaker 2: in the bag, he said, I said, man, And I
Speaker 2: was turning around the clock out and I turned around,
Speaker 2: pow and I walked off, and I thought my arm
Speaker 2: was on the ground and I said.
Speaker 1: What my arm mad? One my arm? I said, well,
Speaker 1: my arm on my arm, and what happened? My whole
Speaker 1: nerve this side got paralyzed.
Speaker 2: It was paralyzed for like about a year, two years, right,
Speaker 2: and I had to go to therapy. But I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: the only thing I was thinking about how much DJ so.
Speaker 1: As you as you're bleeding, what's going through your mind?
Speaker 1: You're thinking like, man, man damn, I asked the dude
Speaker 1: accidentally shot me. I got so much of it because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you had dream big. Yeah, I got dreams.
Speaker 1: I got to fulfill what's going through your mind. I
Speaker 1: can't DJ no more.
Speaker 2: My arm ain't working, so I said, I got to
Speaker 2: figure this out.
Speaker 1: Right, So I wasn't thinking about even dying. Okay. You
Speaker 1: know my parents, that's one thing. They stood.
Speaker 2: They stood strong, and the doctors was like telling them,
Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, I'm gonna live.
Speaker 2: That's just the attitude, because I felt like God wasn't
Speaker 2: finished with me yet, right, And the only thing I
Speaker 2: was really concerned about was could I use his arm again?
Speaker 2: Because it was my my scratch DJ hand I could
Speaker 2: and that was the only thing I was worried about
Speaker 2: as life went on. I'm like, wait, man, can I
Speaker 2: live weights?
Speaker 1: Can I train?
Speaker 2: Can I do all of that? But I just constantly believe.
Speaker 2: I think it was my faith that knowing I would
Speaker 2: get better, you know what I'm saying. And you see
Speaker 2: what's transfired in the rap community. We see pop smoke
Speaker 2: get run down on. We see what happened to Dolf,
Speaker 2: Young Dolph, We see some extension, We see some of
Speaker 2: the guys that have lost their life. Do you look
Speaker 2: back and say, damn, man, I'm very fortunate because this
Speaker 2: thing could have really ended. My life could have ended.
Speaker 1: Forget the DJ and in what I became, but my
Speaker 1: life could have ended before it got started.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny, like I'm glad you're asking that because I
Speaker 2: think I go through some PTSD over that to this day,
Speaker 2: because when you look at all the young people dying today,
Speaker 2: I just break down and thank God and say, you know,
Speaker 2: what is my purpose while am I here? Because I
Speaker 2: do have like some nightmares of that gun going off,
Speaker 2: and I still like I might you might see me
Speaker 2: jerk a little bit because it's just a flashback, and
Speaker 2: I think it didn't come as my career was going.
Speaker 2: It comes like now as you become older, has it
Speaker 2: become a man come reflective exactly? And it really like
Speaker 2: I see why people like sometimes go crazy because.
Speaker 1: The past catch up with you.
Speaker 2: And I think I kind of relive it here and
Speaker 2: there and I just rethinkful and this just be that's
Speaker 2: all you can be. But it do put me down
Speaker 2: because I'm like, I could not have been here, especially
Speaker 2: when I hear when like young dolphin people and it's
Speaker 2: like a gunshot is a gunshot. I got shot right
Speaker 2: in the neck. All I had to do is turn
Speaker 2: one simple way I'd have been out of here. But
Speaker 2: by me turning slight, it goes through here and the
Speaker 2: bullets still in me and they couldn't take it out
Speaker 2: because they're afraid. They never paralyzed the whole right side.
Speaker 2: So I just think about you know now, just be
Speaker 2: like it all hit me just driving in the car
Speaker 2: and I just thank God that I'm still here, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, a lot of guys like like Lebron,
Speaker 2: all he said all he thought about was playing basketball.
Speaker 2: He was also a two sport guys played football also,
Speaker 2: but basketball since his mom gave me. I think he
Speaker 2: was like four years old game that basketball and you
Speaker 2: hear baseball players say since my dad gave me a
Speaker 2: bat and a glove, and it was all about baseball
Speaker 2: and guys with football. With you, you always had a
Speaker 2: beat in your head that you was like, man, this
Speaker 2: is what I want to do. This is what did
Speaker 2: you know? Like, Okay, I'm gonna be a DJ, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be a producer. So what was it? I didn't
Speaker 2: know what I was gonna be. I would just let
Speaker 2: music guide me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I was a great DJ in high school until
Speaker 2: Missy came into my life. That's when she told me
Speaker 2: that I was a great producer.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Missy gave me all the confidence in the world and
Speaker 2: she pushed me to be who I am today. If
Speaker 2: it wasn't for her, the connection of friends meeting friends
Speaker 2: from the neighborhood, like minded people connecting us, and Missy
Speaker 2: was like, I was the only reason why I start
Speaker 2: doing beats is because the music that people was making
Speaker 2: I ain't like and I wanted to blend my beats
Speaker 2: with like Stephanie Mills or Michael Jackson human nature.
Speaker 1: And so my mom couldn't afford a keyboard. She she
Speaker 1: brought me this Cassio keyboard and on the consample for
Speaker 1: one second, and I started, I said, what can I
Speaker 1: do a one second? I was like, I said, oh,
Speaker 1: if I speed to wreck.
Speaker 2: It up this way with my hand, not on the
Speaker 2: forty five when you click it up. I so I
Speaker 2: sped it up real fast on that and slowed it
Speaker 2: down the last key. So I slowed down time. So
Speaker 2: how did you, I mean, how did you know to
Speaker 2: do that? I mean no, I mean you you self taught.
Speaker 1: No one. It's not like you you classically trained, or
Speaker 1: you went to Juilliard or you went to some of
Speaker 1: these super producers that could tell you this. You your
Speaker 1: self taught. I just now realized that.
Speaker 2: I just like, if there's a will, there's a way,
Speaker 2: because like I wasn't smart in school.
Speaker 1: I was like looking at people. I didn't get that answer.
Speaker 1: But you know, from my I believe that I feel
Speaker 1: like I had a dyslexia.
Speaker 2: Like but I feel like I got to use my
Speaker 2: imperfection to be perfection. So me not being self taught,
Speaker 2: it just caught figuring it out, solving the problem. Right,
Speaker 2: how do I get one second? My mom can't afford
Speaker 2: to buy another keyboard. I got to do this music.
Speaker 2: So I just sat there for weeks, in weeks, maybe months, and.
Speaker 1: Said, ah, let me slow up time.
Speaker 2: Speed it up, speed up one thing, Slow down there, yeah,
Speaker 2: slow down the other. I'm looking at you, look at
Speaker 2: for rail walls, Missi of a cliff, push your t
Speaker 2: All of you guys are Virginia. I mean, did you realize,
Speaker 2: like when you're going through what you're going through and
Speaker 2: you look back, say, twenty five years ago, thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: did you realize you guys will be now for real?
Speaker 2: Wings We know what he is in the music, super producer.
Speaker 2: Also now he's the creative director at Louis Vuitton. Did
Speaker 2: you know that you guys would be what you became?
Speaker 1: I knew Pharrell would have been great, Okay, I knew
Speaker 1: Missy was great.
Speaker 2: I knew we had something special. I knew all of
Speaker 2: us had something special. I didn't know it would go
Speaker 2: to this point.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I just know that New York was like the bubbling state,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to be heard from Virginia and people.
Speaker 2: People was like yo, that Timberland sound. I didn't know
Speaker 2: I was creating the sound we didn't know he was
Speaker 2: creating the sound. Parrell didn't know he was creating the sound.
Speaker 2: We were just like minded people, just doing great music.
Speaker 2: And Teddy got a hold of Pharrell first, and Teddy
Speaker 2: so Pharrell was the first one to really venture off
Speaker 2: and really understood the studio.
Speaker 1: And that real limelight. And then it was me and
Speaker 1: Missy and.
Speaker 2: Pharrell kept telling like Teddy like, yo, it's his other group,
Speaker 2: it's this other guy named Timberland and Missy Elliott that you.
Speaker 1: Need to hear.
Speaker 2: And I guess Missy came up to the studio with
Speaker 2: Teddy so she heard, you know. And Teddy was doing
Speaker 2: this thing with Michael Jackson. Parell was helping out. But
Speaker 2: we all kind of knew that we was destined to
Speaker 2: be something. We just didn't know what it was and
Speaker 2: to think about. We didn't think like that. A lot
Speaker 2: of people today get caught up into the money to
Speaker 2: all this stuff. We didn't think like that. It was
Speaker 2: the getting better to be proven, to say we made it.
Speaker 2: We gotta put us at the table, give us a
Speaker 2: seat at the table, because you know, New York had
Speaker 2: it popping kid Capri all this and want no music
Speaker 2: come out out of Virginia. So our purpose was give
Speaker 2: us a seat at the table. We deserved that, we
Speaker 2: deserved to be hurt. It wasn't about making a lot
Speaker 2: of money. It wasn't about we just know that we
Speaker 2: had something special right and it needed to be hurt,
Speaker 2: and we stuck to it. We didn't like we made
Speaker 2: ways out of no ways, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We rolled in one.
Speaker 2: Car, six people, you know what I'm saying, to go
Speaker 2: to a studio session, everybody chipping for gas money, And
Speaker 2: it was the love of the music that kept us,
Speaker 2: that kept us going to know that we didn't have
Speaker 2: no money.
Speaker 1: Music made us fell rich.
Speaker 2: So you wanted to put you wanted Virginia to be
Speaker 2: on the map for music. You got your has great athletes,
Speaker 2: you got Alan Irison, Bruce Smith, I mean, Michael Vick,
Speaker 2: sweet Peete Whittaker. So you had we had some pantheon
Speaker 2: iconic athletes. And then like, but we ain't got no music.
Speaker 2: Let's put Virginia on the map for music. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: and I guess Pharrell was the first one to kind
Speaker 2: of bust down the door. That then came Missy, and
Speaker 2: Missy came with like, uh that Gina Thompson.
Speaker 1: He he he hih.
Speaker 2: Then everybody like, who is this girl? Then from there
Speaker 2: came she. She put me on, so I was a
Speaker 2: part of her. And then when we left Jodasy, we
Speaker 2: was with Joashy at one time, and then we left
Speaker 2: Jodasy and we had this song called Sugar and Spice,
Speaker 2: me and Missy and that song got to Creg Carmon
Speaker 2: what you got to a lib? And Liia said, I
Speaker 2: don't like the words, I don't like the song Sugar
Speaker 2: and Spice, but I want to work with the people
Speaker 2: who did that. I want to work with the guy
Speaker 2: who did the beat and whoever wrote the song. And
Speaker 2: from that point on, Virginia sound was on the map.
Speaker 2: How did you and Missy get started? Were you friends
Speaker 2: before she heard your beats? Did you guys go to school?
Speaker 2: Did you go to rival schools? How did Missy and
Speaker 2: Timberland come to be? Missy and Timberland came to be
Speaker 2: because of a friend of mine named I think Melvin
Speaker 2: Nouir was Magoo, That'sgoo Magoo's from Portsmouth. Melvin knew Missy
Speaker 2: and then this guy named E was working with Missy well,
Speaker 2: working with the group.
Speaker 1: Missy was in a group called Phase.
Speaker 2: They the first one that put out a record from Virginia,
Speaker 2: so they was like the top now.
Speaker 1: So then Missy and E connected.
Speaker 2: They say, Yo, you need to meet this guy named Timberland,
Speaker 2: and he connected.
Speaker 1: Us and came to my mom house when I stayed
Speaker 1: in Virginia Beach.
Speaker 2: Missy I had I had was doing just beats, like
Speaker 2: for the play to mix with, but Missy hurt the
Speaker 2: beats and like, now I'm about to sing over this.
Speaker 2: And that was the first time I got introduced to
Speaker 2: singing over hip hop beats was through Missy.
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about it. I'm like, you're about
Speaker 1: to do? What? What? And she put them harmonies life change.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my goodness, this is what I
Speaker 2: want to do for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: And then it's like.
Speaker 2: She just kept like giving me the encouragement, like how
Speaker 2: dope you was, because then I just stopped.
Speaker 1: I kind of stopped DJing and I started focusing on beats.
Speaker 2: So I was like, because she introduced me to melodies, harmonies,
Speaker 2: you can write songs.
Speaker 1: You don't have to just rap on these beats. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna write songs.
Speaker 2: And I was sampling old patrise Russians and making them
Speaker 2: like dope break beats and she's like, oh, we're about
Speaker 2: to make this a song, and she started singing and writing.
Speaker 2: I was like it was the first it was. It
Speaker 2: was like what I was doing elevated to the next level, right,
Speaker 2: And she gave you confidence that you could do something
Speaker 2: more than DJ. She gave you confidence more than you
Speaker 2: can just produce beats because a lot of times someone
Speaker 2: of Missy, she's like, well, let me go get a
Speaker 2: more famous producer. She took the local kid from Virginia
Speaker 2: and says, Nah, we gonna do this together.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving and I'm taking you with me. That's exactly
Speaker 1: how it happened.
Speaker 2: Davonte, they met, They met Josy at a concert her
Speaker 2: they met him backstage. Davante said, y'all want to fly
Speaker 2: y'all out to Jersey and then Missy said, well, can
Speaker 2: we fly my producer.
Speaker 1: That I got back home? And that was me right?
Speaker 1: But you want a producers he said yeah, So she
Speaker 1: didn't go to the vantage. He said, I got my own.
Speaker 1: We got our own. So that's how it was. How
Speaker 1: much pressure is that? Because that's Missy? She said? And
Speaker 1: they say, well, we got this producer for you. She said, nah,
Speaker 1: but I got my producer back home. So now this
Speaker 1: is your opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know, in the eminem song, you get one shot
Speaker 2: to seize this moment. So now that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5: It was, but I won't scared of it because we
Speaker 5: had a sound, right, and Davonte liked them for my sound, right,
Speaker 5: And so by him being as great as he is,
Speaker 5: he knew he came in the game.
Speaker 2: With a sound with his group, right, So I thank
Speaker 2: god that he was like, yo, all right, he can
Speaker 2: come up, because I want to meet that guy who's
Speaker 2: doing that. And so it kind of worked because I
Speaker 2: learned from him, he learned from me. We both were young,
Speaker 2: but I was like a teenager when he was in
Speaker 2: his twenties. So he was doing his style and I
Speaker 2: was learning from him because he was taking He took
Speaker 2: harmonies and vocals and taught me and Missy how to
Speaker 2: really like really expand it. And then my beats was
Speaker 2: like different for him. So he was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: good at slow song timbo, good at up tempos and men.
Speaker 2: So it was a perfect marriage. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I hear you saying that this guy took you and says, okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I do, this is what you do,
Speaker 2: and we mixed together, and.
Speaker 1: It seems to me back then you saw a lot
Speaker 1: of that. Is that commonplace now in the game, that
Speaker 1: guys are willing to work and bring someone else along
Speaker 1: or is that a forgotten art?
Speaker 2: Is that a forgotten I think now we have more
Speaker 2: gatherings than we ever had, because because right now when
Speaker 2: I go in to the studio, now everything is on
Speaker 2: a computer. Okay, so what I have witness and this gentleman,
Speaker 2: is you good at it? He's good at it? She
Speaker 2: good at it. We put up one computer. Everybody's coming
Speaker 2: after each other and add to the same thing. And
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, wow, look how collaboration has ebon.
Speaker 1: Right, it's just everybody sitting. Everybody know how to work
Speaker 1: the computer. Everybody work on the same thing, right, So
Speaker 1: everybody explained, it explays displays they.
Speaker 2: Gift on the computer. And so now it's more it's
Speaker 2: a lot of more collaborative collaborating today than I think
Speaker 2: it was in our era. Now, Missy the album you're
Speaker 2: on us, and she's like, okay, I got my producer
Speaker 2: team Okay, you're you're in the studio, you're working on this, Like, are.
Speaker 1: You thinking like man, we about to blow? Or you're like, damn.
Speaker 2: Anxiousness, nervousness, what's going what's going through your head when
Speaker 2: you're in when you're in the studio with Missy and
Speaker 2: you guys are gonna come out with this album?
Speaker 1: Man, you know what's going through my heads? I got
Speaker 1: a job, Okay, I got a Okay, I'm popping now,
Speaker 1: you know, because all I wanted was three thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to help my mama and my parents.
Speaker 2: You know that's you know what I'm saying. That's all
Speaker 2: you want it. Yeah, that's how that's where we come from,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I look back at it,
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, those were the good old days of life,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, not wanting much and taking
Speaker 2: little and making it so much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I was just happy that we got what we wanted,
Speaker 2: which was a deal.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no pressure on the first album because it
Speaker 1: was all fun. It was all the rain. That was
Speaker 1: all they show the people what we got.
Speaker 2: Okay, that first album, there's no pressure, no pressure, it
Speaker 2: blows up.
Speaker 1: The second album, Now, let's talk about that. That's what
Speaker 1: Missy took me through. The Ringer miss it would make well,
Speaker 1: she always kind of did. But here's what she said, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is my sophomore album.
Speaker 2: So she's like, we gotta beat what we did. So
Speaker 2: she was always like a drill sergeant.
Speaker 1: She would make me go through one hundred beats before
Speaker 1: she picked one and she'd be like, Tim, that might
Speaker 1: be dope for jay Z or Ludicris, but I gotta
Speaker 1: dance to it.
Speaker 2: I gotta see the video. I gotta see how my
Speaker 2: girls gonna look. So she gave me this whole story.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it made me look at my
Speaker 2: beats different. I was like, so I started like, it's
Speaker 2: just how the girl's gonna dance tonight.
Speaker 1: It's this sound is she gonna she go? So she
Speaker 1: just you know, Missy took you know, she'll make you
Speaker 1: put you up here and she'll bring you down.
Speaker 2: But that's part of being great. You know everything that
Speaker 2: we go through, like when we get our professional job.
Speaker 2: Once you go on the door, you know everybody, Lebron.
Speaker 2: You gotta know how to play with Lebron. And once
Speaker 2: you get on the team, you better know how to play.
Speaker 2: So Missy like, now we're on this team, let me
Speaker 2: show you what miss is really about. The fun is over.
Speaker 2: Now this the Missy that now that I'm in the door.
Speaker 1: Like what miss if you don't you boy, tam, you
Speaker 1: know how we rock rock that way? Tim, So she
Speaker 1: said stuff like that. She a girl, And every time
Speaker 1: she told me, I'd be like my sister, right, why
Speaker 1: you just you take me high?
Speaker 2: Your brain me load, you take behind. But I enjoy
Speaker 2: that because it made me who I am today. And
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have all these jay Z records,
Speaker 2: all the hits that I have if I just settle.
Speaker 2: She made me not settle. We can be hotter too,
Speaker 2: We can be dope.
Speaker 1: I mean you, I mean you look at it. I mean,
Speaker 1: get your freak on it working.
Speaker 2: And her songs are so catchy and it's so you
Speaker 2: know you dance and and the thing was in the
Speaker 2: videos was so futuristic even.
Speaker 1: For way back then. I mean, she was way way
Speaker 1: ahead of her time as far as videos.
Speaker 2: And you're like, that's like, I mean, do you sit
Speaker 2: back and like.
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. I'd be like, I'd
Speaker 1: be like people are around me, like, you know that's dope.
Speaker 1: It's like you get that head nod. You know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We do. Yeah. And when she cause.
Speaker 2: She bring it to life, right, she takes something that
Speaker 2: I present to her and she.
Speaker 1: Just said, watch how I make this blossom? Right, And
Speaker 1: she just make it blossom. And I'd be like, I'll
Speaker 1: just be smiling in the inside.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how to show it on the outside,
Speaker 2: but inside I'll be saying all what you're saying. When
Speaker 2: when you first met Missy and you looking at this,
Speaker 2: she's very small in stature, but her presence is like commanding.
Speaker 2: She's a She demands that you look at her. She
Speaker 2: demands that you pay attention to her. Did you think
Speaker 2: this small, small of a woman could be? And what
Speaker 2: she became? And now as far as songwriting, she's in
Speaker 2: the Songwriting Hall of Fame. She's got a star on
Speaker 2: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That that's my girl. That's
Speaker 2: my Homide from BA Missy is like.
Speaker 1: Who is it? What's is it?
Speaker 2: Oprah from Color Purple? Yeah, that's who Missy is. Like
Speaker 2: Missy is She's just sink. She comes from a single
Speaker 2: mom Missy. She always had leadership in her. So when
Speaker 2: a person has leadership, it just.
Speaker 1: Don't matter how they lead you. And Missy was always
Speaker 1: a great leader. So I'm not surprised of how big
Speaker 1: she was because you couldn't just come nobody, I don't
Speaker 1: care who you are, you can't just say anything Missy.
Speaker 2: Missy she gonna challenge you. She gonna challenge you. And
Speaker 2: that was a va thanks you like you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: Missy was on top of the moon. You can go
Speaker 2: on the top of the moon. Missy Ellen ain't going
Speaker 2: on top.
Speaker 1: And people be like, you know, you know how this
Speaker 1: this world is entertained, Oh you should, No, that's not
Speaker 1: what master own beat. She really sticks to how he
Speaker 1: was raised in the South, and she don't.
Speaker 2: She don't bend the ruge. Other people could be going
Speaker 2: over there, Missy. Missy ain't going over there. She's very stern,
Speaker 2: very on point.
Speaker 1: She has sheer will and she's gonna do what she
Speaker 1: says she's gonna do. So she always had that leadership.
Speaker 1: And that's what I always my my about because when
Speaker 1: I broke character, she always stayed in character. So I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: she's amazing this this beats.
Speaker 2: These beats obviously at the height of reporter that you
Speaker 2: was getting five hundred thousand. Have you ever had to
Speaker 2: tell someone, bro, I can't let you get on this one.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately nobody from our generation I had to do that.
Speaker 2: But as I started working with the new generation, I
Speaker 2: don't say they was bad. I think my ears. I
Speaker 2: think I got old real you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, oh, this bit like price is kick it
Speaker 2: is because I'm like, because music evolves, but when it
Speaker 2: was evolving, I stopped evolving, right.
Speaker 1: So when a person got on it, I was like,
Speaker 1: the hell is you saying? Like you off the beat? Right?
Speaker 2: So I had to start adjusting because I got kided, like, no, dad,
Speaker 2: that's popping. I'm saying, hen you on the beat man,
Speaker 2: that's not popping.
Speaker 1: Right. Then I started saying, okay, music, don't let me down,
Speaker 1: because you you you you level it up. You leveled up.
Speaker 2: So I was a person who changed people's perspective of
Speaker 2: putting animals in music. So I got to accept the
Speaker 2: new rhythm of the youth. So I started to listening
Speaker 2: to it. I'm like, wow, that's what's hot now? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it started, It started hitting me different, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it right. But when I first walked in
Speaker 2: the door, it threw me off. And that's what I
Speaker 2: had to say, Bro, you can't have this beat. Before
Speaker 2: I say that, I went to my my son and
Speaker 2: I'm like, before I go.
Speaker 1: Left, it's just dope, that's crazy. I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: got to go back to school. I got I have,
Speaker 1: I have age. I have gotten too comfortable with what
Speaker 1: I've always been doing and not looking that it can evolve.
Speaker 2: There's another Timberland come around the door. There's another person
Speaker 2: coming around. When all these tags coming out, I was like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared for all that. I wasn't prepared for all,
Speaker 2: you know, the new generation of digital. But I should
Speaker 2: have known it was coming because we had protubs and
Speaker 2: so I should have known that everything is going to
Speaker 2: be switched over to a laptop. I was one of
Speaker 2: those guys to say, oh, that ain't music when Ableton
Speaker 2: came out and people started playing on a pad, piano
Speaker 2: on a pad, and.
Speaker 1: Then I had to say, yo, that's not a piano.
Speaker 2: And it really kind of like that really like took
Speaker 2: me down, Like I had a load because I felt
Speaker 2: like I'm so on point, but I let I kind
Speaker 2: of like let life kind of get in the way,
Speaker 2: which kind of steer me to another road where I
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Let music evolve above me.
Speaker 2: So when that happened, when I got with the new generation,
Speaker 2: I had to really like take a deep dive and say, wait, manute,
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Did you ever get and it doesn't seem like this happened?
Speaker 2: Get high of your own supply, Like you have all
Speaker 2: these number one hints and they're coming out and coming
Speaker 2: and coming, and people come to you atim I need you, nah,
Speaker 2: but I don't need you. Did you tell anybody did
Speaker 2: you like? And look back at it, said, man, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have done that. Yes, I've done That's all that.
Speaker 2: What I just told you based down to that to say,
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing. They can't take a
Speaker 2: timbo beat, they can't do this, and not understanding it
Speaker 2: that they grew up to my music right and just
Speaker 2: it's bigger than me. And I had to really just
Speaker 2: do a deep dive into self reflection and be like
Speaker 2: I changed the game.
Speaker 1: Who am I? Who are you? These kids look up
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 2: If their favorite song was Crimeme and Ribber and it's
Speaker 2: like I started to like just really like have talked
Speaker 2: to my really my children, you know, because they're younger.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, they said, you dope, you just got
Speaker 2: to like music. Can't what you what y'all used to do? Right,
Speaker 2: And when they started saying that, I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 2: we turned the corner. So then I started saying, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this is dope.
Speaker 1: This is dope.
Speaker 2: And I started getting more active and more in it
Speaker 2: than now, like I'm all the way in it now.
Speaker 1: But it took.
Speaker 2: It took some time because I had to come down right.
Speaker 2: I was too high on my ego. It was like
Speaker 2: a coach, this is my system, this is what I run.
Speaker 2: But the players that you have in that system might
Speaker 2: not be good for that system. What you were used
Speaker 2: to you were great at that. Now these players now
Speaker 2: might not be great at that. So now let me
Speaker 2: evolve the system to fit today's players.
Speaker 1: Just like basketball, I don't know half of the players.
Speaker 1: So it evolved, it evolved. You know how many stars
Speaker 1: like that. We're creating new stars.
Speaker 2: So when you watch it, Basketball said, do you know
Speaker 2: what I went to the basketball game? I'm looking at
Speaker 2: it like, it's just like music. I don't know nobody,
Speaker 2: I don't know what they three point game. I ain't
Speaker 2: never seen this before. I ain't never seen this before.
Speaker 2: So that's what music is.
Speaker 1: It evolves.
Speaker 2: Our children get better than what we were. They take
Speaker 2: it to the next level. And I never understood that
Speaker 2: because I got too caught up in my own horses.
Speaker 1: So how did the world did you?
Speaker 2: Like, Man, I want to work with this artist, you
Speaker 2: reach out or they reach out to you, said a team.
Speaker 2: We heard you beat, we heard what you did with Missy,
Speaker 2: we heard what you did with Jay, we heard what
Speaker 2: you did with JT. Can you work with us or
Speaker 2: did you wait for them to come to you or
Speaker 2: did you go to them? Well, it's been a time
Speaker 2: where I when I was on that I thought people
Speaker 2: would come to me. Boy, I realized that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people they're like, man, do we go to this?
Speaker 1: We go to that? Because they had a sound.
Speaker 2: So that kind of ended quick because a lot of
Speaker 2: young people that once I understood and my ear got more,
Speaker 2: got corrected back again.
Speaker 1: So I started reaching.
Speaker 2: Out to people that I you know, these new artists
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, I want to work with you. Because
Speaker 2: I admire what they was doing and it was like
Speaker 2: me surrendering to music, like I'm a student all over again.
Speaker 2: I know I'm a coach, but I want to be
Speaker 2: I want to be Steve Caller.
Speaker 1: I want to be that coach of field. I want
Speaker 1: to be go down in history like I got my squad,
Speaker 1: I got a team.
Speaker 2: I'm maybe not the guy. I understand my role and
Speaker 2: I tell a lot of people, understand who you are,
Speaker 2: in your in your strengths and weakness, and I know
Speaker 2: my strength is guiding people. Yeah, I could do dope beats.
Speaker 2: But as I started to understand what music was taking me.
Speaker 2: Now is in that Quincy Jones moment. And it's like
Speaker 2: when Quincy did Thriller, he had a twenty five year
Speaker 2: old he's fifty, but Quincy grabbed that person, got Rob Timpleton,
Speaker 2: he grabbed the drummer, he grabbed all these people and
Speaker 2: made an incredible album. And I said, that's what I
Speaker 2: have to do with the future of music. So now
Speaker 2: I reach out to people and tell and people that's
Speaker 2: not even big that I see the guy talent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I noticed that because that's the future, that's the world
Speaker 2: that they gonna you know, everybody can.
Speaker 1: Be everybody can jump on somebody that's hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to get the guy that nobody knows,
Speaker 2: give him a beat, guide him and then make it
Speaker 2: and beat and make him or her become Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I want to be the guy. Like when I say something,
Speaker 2: not saying to take my word, just give it a
Speaker 2: pay attention to.
Speaker 1: Me, right, you know, it's like buying to your product.
Speaker 1: Like I say, it's hey, Shanny got the best train,
Speaker 1: So if you put out another one, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Shannon because Shannon, no, his case is amazing. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like I want people to understand when I
Speaker 2: when I say music, pay attention and it's happening. Like
Speaker 2: I put I posted this French You guy y'all mad
Speaker 2: and he said yo. He called me and said now
Speaker 2: the label was trying to sign me, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: they ain't trying to sign you before that. You was
Speaker 2: dope before, just singing on a cappella. So what I
Speaker 2: kind of do is like the showcase, what's coming after,
Speaker 2: what's already popping today? And I just it gives me
Speaker 2: joy because it makes me feel like I'm nineteen again
Speaker 2: when I first got in music and when I first
Speaker 2: when MISSI came to me. But now I'm like, I
Speaker 2: created this legendary brand of Timerland being the legend. So
Speaker 2: I like reaching out to people to show that I'm
Speaker 2: paying attention to your art.
Speaker 1: You already know my art, but I'm scouting.
Speaker 2: You out like it's like me creating a team, like
Speaker 2: I want to build, Like, okay, these are my these
Speaker 2: are my starter back that's my dad. Yeah, I said, oh,
Speaker 2: we need to we need a front runner. We need
Speaker 2: to go take it to the to yad line. So
Speaker 2: I look at it like that. It's like plays now,
Speaker 2: like it's getting the best of the best and creating.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about doing an album like that.
Speaker 2: I's trying to figure it out because I don't want
Speaker 2: to do the typical album of getting everybody. I want
Speaker 2: to take raw talent and show people that you know,
Speaker 2: because all music is about a song.
Speaker 1: It's not really about the so much of the artist.
Speaker 1: No more like we have one hundred songs uploaded every
Speaker 1: day on Spotify. So with that being said, I just
Speaker 1: want to have to curate the best songs of today
Speaker 1: with new people whove on your mount rushmore producers all
Speaker 1: the time, who Teddy Riley, okay, Quincy Jones, doctor Dre
Speaker 1: Pete Rock. I mean, is that that far? That's it.
Speaker 1: That's unless you're gonna do a new go back and
Speaker 1: he's on the four. That's it, old heads on my rushmore.
Speaker 1: Let me let me damn you want the octopus, try
Speaker 1: to spend the website shore to pick the fourth.
Speaker 2: P on right if Teddy Riley, doctor Dre, Quincy Jones,
Speaker 2: Pete Rock, I said Pete Rock because he was the
Speaker 2: guy who kind of had he was he was the
Speaker 2: first that kind of like took over the airways with
Speaker 2: all the remix with Docson facts.
Speaker 1: Then he had then that like he had the good Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then and then and then it's then it's hard
Speaker 2: because I wanted okay, if I had to.
Speaker 1: Dang, I can't just forget for me m and dealer. See,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck. We're gonna have to have three. The four
Speaker 1: one is up for toss up. Like I gotta go back.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing is when you go when
Speaker 2: you say doctor dre and Quincy Jones, those two got
Speaker 2: to be there. It got to be there. They got
Speaker 2: to be there. Now we can we can debate the
Speaker 2: other two, but you can't have a producer Matt Rushmore
Speaker 2: without Dre and without Quinns, you cannot. You cannot, Okay, JT.
Speaker 2: How did the relationship with you and j T? Justin
Speaker 2: Timberlake come Alut? Justin always he liked my he liked
Speaker 2: what me and Missy did. And I met him when
Speaker 2: he was fifteen at a studio and he was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I want to work with.
Speaker 1: You and blah blah blah. Was he still in the
Speaker 1: group or what ye he was still in the group.
Speaker 2: And this was when before Along came out with Alone
Speaker 2: was about that Michael Jacksman No Gone Gone it was
Speaker 2: coming out and this is like right around that time.
Speaker 2: So he was still in the group, but he was
Speaker 2: about to do a solo album and so he was already.
Speaker 1: Working for real.
Speaker 2: And then he came and said he remembered like, Yo,
Speaker 2: Johnny Wright got with me and said, Yo, just want
Speaker 2: to work with you. So when we got together, we
Speaker 2: had chemistry because he from Memphis, I'm from Virginia. It's
Speaker 2: like we kind of grew up on the same thing
Speaker 2: and when you kind of like had the same background
Speaker 2: and talk about the same things.
Speaker 1: And he was alway working for phar Real. I already
Speaker 1: knew he.
Speaker 2: Was gonna click with me, and it was just it
Speaker 2: was just like a matter of time if he you know,
Speaker 2: because back then you're fifteen. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: we say one thing, but he really follow up on it,
Speaker 2: like my sound really stuck with him and he had
Speaker 2: to work with me. I'm the crimea river suit and
Speaker 2: tie sexy back, thirty million albums sol.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you know he could do this? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. When I first met her, I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this boy, this white boy cold. Yeah, he's like a
Speaker 1: better George Bike he was. I was like, yo, he
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: And then when he started dancing out right, I said
Speaker 2: it's over because at that time we haven't seen that,
Speaker 2: nobody that exactly.
Speaker 1: So we came in an era where I mean, he
Speaker 1: can really dance that what Evers was doing and shake
Speaker 1: it and him. But oh that's one thing. But what
Speaker 1: he was doing was different with what we were doing exactly,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh he Then at West starts
Speaker 1: singing out like, oh he is out of here. When
Speaker 1: the solo, I said, oh, this is Michael Jackson. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The Justified album that was a
Speaker 1: masterpiece and he when I.
Speaker 2: Did Crime in River, that was like one of the
Speaker 2: last songs we did. But like the did you know
Speaker 2: that was gonna be a hit?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know, like, okay, you got to beat and
Speaker 2: someone is singing over it. Do you know at that
Speaker 2: moment this ish is special? Or do you like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be good. Or have you had
Speaker 2: a situation where you didn't think, like I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be okay and then it blows up, or you
Speaker 2: have one that you think is gonna blow up and
Speaker 2: it don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dude, it's a lot of those,
Speaker 1: a lot of those because I like all the B
Speaker 1: side records, you know what I'm saying, But for the
Speaker 1: ones I knew it was gonna be a hit, Like
Speaker 1: did I didn't think that was a hit and I
Speaker 1: ain't think it was gonna be a hit.
Speaker 2: Was one minute, man, I ain't like that song. I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't like this song. You're gonna put
Speaker 2: this out till you crazy. It's all my girl, the
Speaker 2: girls going crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I bet that with girl what going crazy?
Speaker 1: Hell no, we didn't like it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was like, make light up, like I said, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta put our something, put our visits on the street.
Speaker 1: God that that wasn't mean. He said. One minute. I
Speaker 1: was like like, and I did that sound b b
Speaker 1: b B. I said, you like this, it's like nursery rhyme.
Speaker 1: She said, watch and then what she said, boy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it love. I was like, it's dope, but
Speaker 1: you know it still ain't. It ain't. Did Ludacris Ludicris
Speaker 1: cor and say you don't write this? Boy? You crazy?
Speaker 1: I'm about to get on. I'm like, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay ten toes down. It's all right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's cool. But then when it blew up,
Speaker 1: I said that girl, missus, she knows. And from that
Speaker 1: point on you never questioned it. It was like, yes,
Speaker 1: my queen, whatever you like what I'm looking now.
Speaker 2: You see Justin he sold his entire music catalog, and
Speaker 2: we see a lot of artists starting to unload their
Speaker 2: music catalog. Justin bieber So's Here sold his for two
Speaker 2: hundred million, ten to Turn and sold us for three
Speaker 2: hundred million. Bruce Bringstein sold Here's for five hundred million.
Speaker 2: Why do you think guys are artists are starting to
Speaker 2: unload their music catalog? I mean it's a business, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, what's wrong with if somebody
Speaker 2: We don't know if that three hundred million be there tomorrow, right.
Speaker 1: So what are we holding on to? What are we
Speaker 1: doing here?
Speaker 2: We work as hard for these moments one of people
Speaker 2: giving out those type of multiple on a check, you know.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's it's it's all personal preference.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people and they say three
Speaker 2: hundred millions, that's like that's a whole that set up
Speaker 2: for your family.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You go buy businesses, you get with certain people and
Speaker 2: then you look at the time they doing. Bruce Springsteen,
Speaker 2: he should have been so but guess what he probably
Speaker 2: got his business plan and what he want to do
Speaker 2: with his money, what he want to do.
Speaker 1: Just add on and make sure you got kids. You know.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I think it's smart business.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We do we build up this catalog.
Speaker 1: Two for to sell.
Speaker 2: But you know I've seen ti I say, is like,
Speaker 2: you know, different ways of doing it and.
Speaker 1: He is like you or just go ahead and unloaded
Speaker 1: out right.
Speaker 2: So it all, it all goes down to what's your
Speaker 2: what's your business plan? So TI, I just gave somebody
Speaker 2: an individual of another business plan which is not a
Speaker 2: bad business plan, and you just have to go do it.
Speaker 2: And some people it works because it's like it's all
Speaker 2: about you know, we all black, and financial literature is
Speaker 2: like not good in our community. So to take a
Speaker 2: lot of money up front, it's like, what t I
Speaker 2: say is have buen this plane. Don't just take all
Speaker 2: that money just to say I got I sold my count.
Speaker 2: At least have a plane of what you're gonna do
Speaker 2: put that money, because it's a goal. Just like that
Speaker 2: because when you pay tax and you look at it
Speaker 2: very different.
Speaker 1: So whatever it was, it happen, and didn't you be
Speaker 1: you hear me. I just got a witness of that.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, you took what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to go sit down. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's highway robbers, that's that's extortion to get up. I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, man. So that's why we
Speaker 1: got to work hard. So it's like you work hard
Speaker 1: to to not work hard.
Speaker 2: So if you have an opportunity to code financial life
Speaker 2: livelihood for the rest of thirty years of the rest
Speaker 2: of your life, why not take that out, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because that bank might close. Look at
Speaker 2: what happened with SUV Silicon Valley, right, just think about
Speaker 2: you don't know what can happen in.
Speaker 1: This correct market versus How did verses come to be? Man,
Speaker 1: we was home and during the pandemic, we were.
Speaker 2: Just we we know, we know what tomorrow hole. We
Speaker 2: thought it was fun. We reconnected with people that we
Speaker 2: should have been reconnected with. But we live in the
Speaker 2: world that would move so fast. And I've been saying this.
Speaker 2: I told my friends that we at the world shut down.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but it actually happened. So that means whatever
Speaker 2: something somebody say, do.
Speaker 1: Not say that would never happen.
Speaker 2: You better pay attention when they talk about UFO, pay attention.
Speaker 2: So when the pandemic, it was just me and Switzerland.
Speaker 2: We just had a conversation about just life. We was
Speaker 2: and I was happy to talk to my friend like
Speaker 2: I didn't know. We was like best of friends until
Speaker 2: we start sharing like our personal story. Instead happened with
Speaker 2: us what happened to us, what happened with us in life,
Speaker 2: our personal story.
Speaker 1: And then I just called him one day. I started antagonizing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, what you're gonna do with this beat?
Speaker 2: And I just started like doing beat battles because we
Speaker 2: did it one time before and TMZ picked it up
Speaker 2: when I played the Game of Thrones and he was
Speaker 2: We talked about, you know, going at each other, and
Speaker 2: we did it on Instagram. And then he had we
Speaker 2: had the idea when we did summer jams, like do
Speaker 2: this album where I do Timbo side, he do Swiss side,
Speaker 2: like a versus versus Timbo. And then we tried the
Speaker 2: whole thing out really in Hot ninety seven and the
Speaker 2: summer jam and.
Speaker 1: It really worked. But you know, everybody was outside, you
Speaker 1: know when the people outside the world go, they were
Speaker 1: just doing the most. So I knew technology.
Speaker 2: I said, once it shut down, I kind of had
Speaker 2: a you know, God put on my heart like technology
Speaker 2: was gonna be the new wave. It's gonna come in
Speaker 2: like a storm because we shut down, that's the only
Speaker 2: way to communication. So I called Swiss. I said, man,
Speaker 2: remember that idea. We had three and a half years.
Speaker 2: You know, the idea we did the vert that would
Speaker 2: battle on each other. Let's let's let's do that here,
Speaker 2: let's do that on Instagram, Let's do it now.
Speaker 1: And it was I tell you it was.
Speaker 2: God, you know, moving the universe in the right direction
Speaker 2: to where it was no problem. And I think what
Speaker 2: sparked that up with D Nice. D Nice was djam
Speaker 2: and everybody was on it.
Speaker 1: We was all jamming at D Nice and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what can we do, you know, saying to myself and
Speaker 1: I called switch. I'm like, remember you know the idea
Speaker 1: that we had that we did it some some of jail.
Speaker 2: Let's do it right here on the ground. He's like
Speaker 2: when I said right now, he said right now? I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: why not? All right, let's give me an album, get
Speaker 2: my get my set up. And I said, all right,
Speaker 2: i'm'a get my setup. And we when we sparked it off,
Speaker 2: it was all because of the love. So when we
Speaker 2: did it, we only had thirty thousand people for people
Speaker 2: ate it, but it spread it and then once it
Speaker 2: spread it, we all came together as a as a
Speaker 2: team and like we got something here right, And we
Speaker 2: just took control of a situation because I knew to
Speaker 2: really build, like the platform we want to build really
Speaker 2: takes about two years. And the idea when you want
Speaker 2: to get your idea out, you don't got two years,
Speaker 2: Like you need to show the world. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: we just you know, as we just jumped out and
Speaker 2: did our thing, and God bless it to where it
Speaker 2: caught on like wildfire. And I thank him because he
Speaker 2: allowed us to know how to follow the lead, because
Speaker 2: some people get that that spark plug and then go
Speaker 2: away from him. But I gotta think Swisch, Swiss is
Speaker 2: a smart businessman. Like soon as we saw it and
Speaker 2: how people was embracing it.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, we gotta call it. We gotta have
Speaker 1: a meet. What are we doing? This is what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I said, right, we're doing this this. We gotta get
Speaker 1: the trademark. We gotta do this.
Speaker 2: And then people was like, oh, he ain't gonna last
Speaker 2: more past the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But me and Swiss knew that this was the new
Speaker 1: soul train. This was a new phenomenon, right, this was
Speaker 1: something that's gonna go beyond the pandemic. And we just
Speaker 1: had to believe because we had haters saying, oh, blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Once he heard what we were doing,
Speaker 1: and then we knew as the culture what I love
Speaker 1: about the culture, Like they kind of like like a
Speaker 1: bunch of missies, like they be like that, ain't it that?
Speaker 1: Ain't it? And then you gotta work past that? Ain't
Speaker 1: it to be? Like then they be on the line, I.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I thank you for doing this. You don't
Speaker 2: know how much idea but you was on last week
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: Like, why y'all giving me this verse? Why are you? Like?
Speaker 2: All right, mama auntie, we got you. You know, I
Speaker 2: know you won't corn breadge. I'm gonna go get your
Speaker 2: but bear with me. So that's how vers it was.
Speaker 2: And it's like we really stood tall on that and
Speaker 2: got past that. And I could tell you another thing.
Speaker 2: It made us feel good to my soul, right, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And to see it get to
Speaker 2: this point to where we're elevating. Now we're getting too
Speaker 2: the real business of it and negotiating certain things.
Speaker 1: And I just thank God that he allowed a.
Speaker 2: Tool was already in place for us to invent our
Speaker 2: tube that we had, So what can we expect from versus?
Speaker 2: And we see the artists when they did this, the
Speaker 2: album sells a lot of these artists hadn't put out
Speaker 2: music in a very long time, and we see theirselves
Speaker 2: go through the roof everybody go and forget just how
Speaker 2: great the artists were and go back out and purchase
Speaker 2: some of their music and start that all over again.
Speaker 2: So what can we expect from Versus moving forward? Man,
Speaker 2: we can expect the same the versus effect, and we
Speaker 2: tell people how real that is, Like we're showing a
Speaker 2: new business versus really a new business show.
Speaker 1: Like catalogs like you said, that never been heard. It's
Speaker 1: got kids going back listening to it. Right, Versus is
Speaker 1: a tool of the future of not just like rebirth
Speaker 1: of cauntalog that people might have because we sell them
Speaker 1: the catalog, But how do you get those catalogs to
Speaker 1: be heard again? Right?
Speaker 2: Versus is that platform. So what we got going forward
Speaker 2: is we're trying to do bigger Versus. We got we
Speaker 2: got we got a couple lined up. But you know,
Speaker 2: like now that everybody outside is scheduling, right, so we're
Speaker 2: working on this capsule. But we got some we got
Speaker 2: some big ones. Okay, I got some battles. I wanted
Speaker 2: you to know, tell me Chris Brown Usha battle Chris
Speaker 2: Brown versus Usher.
Speaker 1: That's one of our top ten is too. You know
Speaker 1: it can happen. We don't.
Speaker 2: We we know it can happen. It's a matter of
Speaker 2: time because it's good for the culture. And that's a
Speaker 2: good one, Doctor Dre Quincy Jones, I see that one.
Speaker 1: That will kind of be amazing.
Speaker 2: Well that's the only one. I mean, can't nobody else
Speaker 2: battle Drake. Can't nobody else battle Doctor Dre. But Quincy
Speaker 2: can't know one battle Quincy?
Speaker 1: But Drake. That's it? You think? So who else you
Speaker 1: gonna throw it? Quincy? Sixty years Quincy was Ain't nobody
Speaker 1: can battle Quincy, That's what I'm But I'm saying, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna throw anything at him, it's got to be Dre.
Speaker 1: From Sinatra to Ray Charles to Michael Jacks. Lastly, come on, man,
Speaker 1: that's like you you just said Sonata. How do somebody
Speaker 1: come out to Sonata? I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: That I can see that. But are we missing like
Speaker 2: what about like gambling huff? Me personally, I ain't battling
Speaker 2: Quincy Jones. That's why I say gambling huff because you
Speaker 2: wouldn't you went like segments of people from Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 1: The only one that guy like that type of.
Speaker 2: Is gambling huff like people who don't like from the
Speaker 2: style listic's the only way down like it. But I
Speaker 2: do like the Dre comparison. But I'm like, when you
Speaker 2: just said all what he done, I'm like, wait, man, wait.
Speaker 1: But Dre, I mean, you know, from Dre from Snoop
Speaker 1: the Park in all those that he I mean, so
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I want I just want to hear
Speaker 1: the song.
Speaker 2: I like the playlist of the of the of the two. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think, but you want to get twenty? Now you
Speaker 2: only get twenty. I ain't somebody don't camera come, you know,
Speaker 2: nobody got nobody got to listen to all these music.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: Now that's the thing. Like Qutch ain't gonna just go
Speaker 2: for twenty. He said, Man, I gotta go up. Quit's
Speaker 2: gonna hit us with a series. Yeah, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: like the first series did you joint? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, he gonna hit you with a series,
Speaker 2: Like you can't just get him. You can't get twenty, Okay,
Speaker 2: Drake and hold that would be a good one would
Speaker 2: I rather to see hole and nas really yes, So
Speaker 2: if you gotta put some money else So if you
Speaker 2: if you hey, hey, your money, you gotta put a
Speaker 2: meal down.
Speaker 1: Holding nods. I gotta put a meal down either either one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the winner, I'm gonna have to say, you get five Hondred,
Speaker 1: you get both of y'all are winners. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: hoving nods O Prince and Michael whooa. So you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's more difficult than you think because Prince was a
Speaker 2: writer and.
Speaker 1: People forget that. And now I'm about to go on
Speaker 1: your side. I'm on your side with that one. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you probably get mad they see this, but don't you that, Prince.
Speaker 1: It's said written, composed and produce and composed and produces
Speaker 1: the same thing. So when is composed some extra stuff?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like, that's serious, bro.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking like the whole creation of like
Speaker 2: doing that, like because I want to see that. I
Speaker 2: want to I want like people to pick the best
Speaker 2: from his family twenty and the Jackson family.
Speaker 1: Picked Day twenty. That will be amazing because you know
Speaker 1: this technology. Ye, we put the hologram up. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna love it. Yes, we're gonna go create the new technolo.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go cras since we got the hologram, we
Speaker 1: got the technology. Yeah, Tupact, Biggie. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: the world weighing. That's what we're all waiting for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it. I wait for it like logs
Speaker 1: and people. To me, it's like, let me be let us,
Speaker 1: let me. It's sposed to be creative, don't judge it.
Speaker 1: People are like, we don't play with that, don't play
Speaker 1: with the dead, don't do that.
Speaker 2: I get it. But it's like it's music, right. I
Speaker 2: want to hear the music. I want to know what.
Speaker 2: I want to relive these memories again.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I really think the TUPAC
Speaker 1: and Biggie it's necessary, right, And don't I know people
Speaker 1: are probably gonna be upset. I just think of live too. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just don't know. You know what I'm saying. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know who you're gonna put her against. That's
Speaker 2: what I don't know. But she needs to be in
Speaker 2: this conversation Whitney and Mariah that needs to be done.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Look at that playlist Mariah and Whitney. Do you know
Speaker 2: do you know how they gonna go out the roof?
Speaker 2: That's a that's that's that's actually a fut I'll run
Speaker 2: to see that one first for you.
Speaker 1: Not the biggest tube part, but that one, right, because
Speaker 1: that sets a tone. It's it gets the world ready, right,
Speaker 1: it sets a sentimental tone, and it's like.
Speaker 2: Mariah, we gonna cry, We're gonna be emotional, and Mariah
Speaker 2: gonna bring it because she gonna talk, her talk, and
Speaker 2: them songs back to back right, and just us seeing it.
Speaker 2: You know, they try these these documentary what I Wanna dance.
Speaker 1: But that's really the I wanna dance with somebody if
Speaker 1: we did a versus I wanna dance what everybody want
Speaker 1: to do? This documentary, Whitney, It's really the verses, like
Speaker 1: what you just said, Whitney and Mariah Carey, who can
Speaker 1: we put a dail against? I would love to see
Speaker 1: Adl go really against Alicia again.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know Alicia did John that that was great,
Speaker 2: she did that one, But I really I would wanna
Speaker 2: see Alsha again with Adell.
Speaker 1: Mmm I don't know if anybody ever thought about this one?
Speaker 1: What about b and reread? You know, like, who can
Speaker 1: we put against be?
Speaker 2: Is there anybody that we can put against Breatha Franklin.
Speaker 1: It can't. It can't mean nobody from her era. No, no,
Speaker 1: it can't. She she she she has to a stand alone.
Speaker 1: It has to be a Reatha Franklin. There has to
Speaker 1: be somebody of some something that's somebody that's here if
Speaker 1: the legend is here or a legend, it's not She's
Speaker 1: a stand alone.
Speaker 2: Who can we put against Marvin Gaye, the Pendergrass or
Speaker 2: Luther Barry White. I'm trying to think, Sam Cook, I mean,
Speaker 2: who who would you like to see battle?
Speaker 1: Marvin? The name of you just said?
Speaker 2: You said you said it like four, I said, I
Speaker 2: started out with Marvin Teddy Teddy p.
Speaker 1: I think Teddy Well, I said, what turn it off?
Speaker 1: The likes I'm doing, I'm doing like a Collidge in
Speaker 1: my head. Oh that's a good that's a good playlist.
Speaker 2: Not only that, versus Versus is a curated thing. So
Speaker 2: it's like your curation is act is it's.
Speaker 1: Accurate because I'm looking at playlisting because like you said,
Speaker 1: were raising catalog. And that's what Switch is great at.
Speaker 1: It's curating these playlists and the whole like the versus
Speaker 1: genre of someone because when people go back and listen
Speaker 1: to the playlist and when you put I ain't know
Speaker 1: they had that song, I don't know you do that,
Speaker 1: it's act And now you got more musics to in
Speaker 1: your car, right you know, Now you're like, oh, the
Speaker 1: versus is Marvin and Teddy. So now you go on
Speaker 1: your Apple Music You're like, wow, but Teddy. I mean
Speaker 1: people don't remember this, but Teddy used to have female
Speaker 1: only concert. Turn that female only. That's why I say, hmmm,
Speaker 1: that's a mean one.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Aaliyah seeing she's movies. How big would she
Speaker 2: have been had she not tragically lost her life but
Speaker 2: she headed to I mean because we see Beyonce Beyonce
Speaker 2: saying the movies. Was she going to be Beyonce before Beyonce?
Speaker 2: I think it would have probably been this how well,
Speaker 2: I think it would have been.
Speaker 1: Four girls? What five Missy Beyonce?
Speaker 2: I said, you know, like five light top notch girls,
Speaker 2: Missy Beyonce, Aaliyah, Rihanna, it's another girl too, NICKI. I
Speaker 2: think she would have been in those top five. I
Speaker 2: don't know if she would have beat or been we
Speaker 2: don't know that, but she would have been top five.
Speaker 1: Top three, maybe another guy that produced a songwright. I believe.
Speaker 2: You can separate art from an artist. You can say
Speaker 2: what he produced and what he did was unbelievable in
Speaker 2: the art form and be disgusted by what he did
Speaker 2: as a person. And that's all Kelly.
Speaker 1: And sometimes because the depravity and.
Speaker 2: What he did, you like, when you throw everything that
Speaker 2: he's done you artistically away. I don't believe you can
Speaker 2: do that. No, I believe you can separate the two.
Speaker 2: Yes you can, I have I agree. I agree talk
Speaker 2: about Kelly the art artists.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to try to downplay or whatever he did
Speaker 1: outside of the music round because we know R. Kelly
Speaker 1: is the king of R and B. We all know
Speaker 1: that man. And it's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you talk about that because I'll be having
Speaker 2: talked to everybody jump. When he said okay, I'm like,
Speaker 2: so we're just gonna ignore his music that he gave
Speaker 2: with it, we all jammed to no, we can't do that, right.
Speaker 1: His art is his art.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bastard, but he ain't the only one
Speaker 2: that got some things, and it's had some things, got
Speaker 2: some things in the closet, but we still listen to.
Speaker 1: The music exactly.
Speaker 2: And to me, we have to learn how to I
Speaker 2: think as a culture we have to learn how to
Speaker 2: separate that. And if I said, okay, who can bottle
Speaker 2: r Kelly, I don't want to see in the comments
Speaker 2: how you gonna have this hype. Don't mix music up
Speaker 2: with personal. Music is a feeling that stands alone. Music
Speaker 2: is something that don't have no race, that brings people together.
Speaker 2: They don't have no drama with it. It's a place
Speaker 2: of enjoyment, of feeling. So don't bring drama into music.
Speaker 2: Leave that outside his art, his his art. I say
Speaker 2: the same thing about a lot of people. You know
Speaker 2: that they're a great artists, but we look at what
Speaker 2: they do on a personal level and try to disqualify
Speaker 2: the art.
Speaker 1: You can't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at some of the guys, some of the
Speaker 2: people that you work with, from Rihanna to Beyonce, Ludicrous
Speaker 2: k New, Maria Brandy, Lisia Keys, Ross, Pete Poblo Pastor,
Speaker 2: Detroit brother Sparks.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you go about with these.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at these guys.
Speaker 2: This is a who's who, and then you go Michael Jackson, Nellifertado,
Speaker 2: Minis Cyrus, Elton John, Shakiro, Katie Perry, Brad Paisley, One Republic, Nickelback, Biscuit,
Speaker 2: Lindsay Lohan, Coldplay, from you all over the math.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know. I didn't never you
Speaker 1: said all them, but I just now noticed it.
Speaker 2: I just look at it like my job his music,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter the genre of music and be country,
Speaker 2: it can be you know, R and B, can be pop.
Speaker 1: I could do whatever because I know I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: my swag to it. So to me, it's like another
Speaker 1: day at the office. Let's go do it like it's
Speaker 1: a challenge. It was a challenge, and like because I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do y'all want from me? We want you, okay,
Speaker 1: well you want a little bit of what you used
Speaker 1: to whip me on top? Just do you you really
Speaker 1: want that? That's what I say, all right, and they
Speaker 1: allow it and we made history. Who you been most
Speaker 1: surprised by that gave you a call and said we
Speaker 1: want you Elton John, because I'm like Elton me. But
Speaker 1: I had an idea when I got in the studio.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want you to say, I just
Speaker 1: want you to play, and I'm gonna put a choir
Speaker 1: around your playing. Okay. So he was like, so what
Speaker 1: are you going to play? Whatever? Go So you tell
Speaker 1: Elton John to just play, You're gonna put something around him?
Speaker 1: Is that normally what you do? Or do they ask
Speaker 1: for the like okay, this this is what I have. Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you enhance it? Well?
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I came Elton John was following
Speaker 2: my lead because he's like the he's the He's the goat,
Speaker 2: and I'm young timbo. I had this vision, so it
Speaker 2: was like he was following my lead. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, because it wasn't what I guess he was
Speaker 2: used to working with. But I knew who Elton John
Speaker 2: and his talent, and I knew I was My favorite
Speaker 2: song was Been in the Jet. Yeah, like and I
Speaker 2: knew at all and I was like love all his music.
Speaker 1: So it's like I just wanted to play. I don't
Speaker 1: want to sing because I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how much Flipp was singing, which I could have,
Speaker 2: but I just want him to I want to showcase
Speaker 2: his art or what he gifted was, and it's playing.
Speaker 1: So I said this, I had this beat. I said,
Speaker 1: just play to this, let's play and I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: the choir to it. And he just let me do
Speaker 1: what I do. And he came back and I played
Speaker 1: it for him. He was shocked.
Speaker 2: He was like, wow, you work with artists, that's what
Speaker 2: you normally do, but how different is it collabing with
Speaker 2: a producer.
Speaker 1: Scott's story.
Speaker 2: You pro collab with you know, collabing with an artist
Speaker 2: a Beyonce or you know somebody that sings and you
Speaker 2: producing the beats.
Speaker 1: But now you got another producer and they do what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: That was the fun because now you meeting like minded people.
Speaker 2: And Scott was always dope, you know, Scott was dope.
Speaker 2: And when I did carmelon River, I was just me beatboxing,
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff, and I say, I need
Speaker 2: Scott to play them chords over top of that, and
Speaker 2: I called Scott. He was right there and he did
Speaker 2: it and he started adding his sauce. I knew Scott
Speaker 2: was always he was incredible, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Scott had a a gift I guess Scott is like,
Speaker 2: you know, I look at Quincy, you know, as he
Speaker 2: developed his team at that younger age.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. And Scott was the guy with
Speaker 1: all the soul f you know, the roots knew who
Speaker 1: he was. That's why they That's why he came up
Speaker 1: with the roots and all that. And Scott was like
Speaker 1: a perfect person to collab with because it's like Lebron
Speaker 1: and a d you know, you put a great team together.
Speaker 1: Like I could pass the ball to him. I know
Speaker 1: he gonna get twenty. You know what I'm saying that Scott.
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott was the guy. His soul was just
Speaker 1: like my soul. We was like musical soul brothers. Right.
Speaker 1: Working with Hove, you guys go back and you see, yeah, definite,
Speaker 1: give him flowers.
Speaker 2: What the money he's making. You know, I want to
Speaker 2: have hob over here. I want to give him his flowers.
Speaker 2: But yeah, get him and got that guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. For sure.
Speaker 2: You go in the studio and you work with Hop
Speaker 2: obviously early in his career. But do you know, no, Hove,
Speaker 2: it's gonna turn out to like go from what he was.
Speaker 1: He talked about cooking on the stove, standing on the corner,
Speaker 1: to rapper, the entrepreneur, to a multi billionaire. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we talked about this guy. Never really like
Speaker 1: Jay Z is a prophet. I don't know if y'all
Speaker 1: read the Bible, of any scholars of the Bible.
Speaker 2: God sent him like I never seen. I never seen
Speaker 2: nothing nobody like ho Hove actually raised me. He don't
Speaker 2: even know it. He raised me in the music business.
Speaker 2: He was so prolific, so wise beyond his age that
Speaker 2: I was just amazed at just watching him. That's why,
Speaker 2: like I had a different bond with Jay when it
Speaker 2: comes to my music.
Speaker 1: It was like we was rewriting the Bible in a way,
Speaker 1: or rewriting history as it's gonna be. How jay Z
Speaker 1: foresaw the world going forward.
Speaker 2: Shannon, I ain't seen nothing like it. When I say,
Speaker 2: this guy speak multiple languages. We did Picasso. That wasn't
Speaker 2: the first version.
Speaker 1: The first version was like all the Hebrew language and
Speaker 1: all like the Jews. He was just breaking it down,
Speaker 1: and that's when I realized, like, this got not human.
Speaker 1: He's different. I learned about chess from him. I learned
Speaker 1: a lot of things just being around him. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was like going to Black Harvard University watching Moses
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm his I'm I'm following him as he
Speaker 1: leaders through the desert right because Jay I knew he
Speaker 1: was destined for greatness. I knew it. I'm watching the
Speaker 1: next biggest thing. Since I don't wanna say Elvis, I
Speaker 1: don't wanna say I wanna say now, I wanna say THEMN.
Speaker 2: I wanna say e T Wow. Because when ET came out,
Speaker 2: it shook the world just and that was a movie.
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you, Hoa's movie. Well he did that
Speaker 2: that that DJ CALLI song. People should really take that, yes,
Speaker 2: and really chew it and really used that for a
Speaker 2: guidelines of your life. Jay Z gave you raps that
Speaker 2: can help your business. That's how powerful that man slays
Speaker 2: me on Anywhere on God's Green Earth out trip of
Speaker 2: my network.
Speaker 1: So when you I age now, you gotta look back.
Speaker 1: That man was twenty two. He does give you a
Speaker 1: blueprint of what you can become exactly from what he
Speaker 1: was to what he is. And he he told he
Speaker 1: taught me so much, bro, And I'm glad I was
Speaker 1: a student to get to see it. You've had some
Speaker 1: struggles in your life. You had an addiction.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, and you said you weren't tim And
Speaker 2: not only did it effect you, affected impacted others around you. Yes,
Speaker 2: How did this addiction come about? Not really being sure
Speaker 2: who I am? You know a lot of people. I
Speaker 2: can say this now when we talk about haters, it's
Speaker 2: really the enemy and the enemy. I was fighting the
Speaker 2: enemy within me. I was married at the time and
Speaker 2: doing things, you know, not really knowing who I am,
Speaker 2: chasing things that's false and just life just got a
Speaker 2: little bit aggressive. It got the best of me. And
Speaker 2: so to deal with all the pressures of life. It
Speaker 2: started with a dentist taking Viking. Then the Viking. It
Speaker 2: made me feel like superman. It made me get over everything.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I just c I
Speaker 1: w I find myself just taking it all the time,
Speaker 1: had a doctor that was giving it to me, and
Speaker 1: all the times. My mama, my mom was a great
Speaker 1: prayer warrior. She was in the church, and she told
Speaker 1: me she had a dream of me being like, uh,
Speaker 1: my face was turning blue or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then I was on it like for like I was
Speaker 1: taking like one hundred and sixty milligrams a day of
Speaker 1: oxy cotton. Wow.
Speaker 2: And everybody that I know who've done that has died,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I think I even died.
Speaker 2: You know, at one point in time where I got out,
Speaker 2: I had a out of body experience where I was
Speaker 2: laying in the bed and I saw myself laying in
Speaker 2: the bed. And from that point on, you know, God
Speaker 2: has changed my mind. And I didn't go to a doctor.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I did a cold turkey here. I just started weaning
Speaker 2: myself off. And you can put pills in front of
Speaker 2: my face. I could just look at it and be like, cause.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna sit here and hold you. I be
Speaker 1: like it, Well it it feels great, it's amazing, but
Speaker 1: it's not amazing, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I try to be an advocate and talk about
Speaker 2: that anything is possible if you put your mind to it.
Speaker 2: And I put my mind to it. With the help
Speaker 2: of God in praying, he weaned me off. I didn't
Speaker 2: have to go be on another drug to get off
Speaker 2: of drug.
Speaker 1: Did did the pil addition impact your marriage? Did that
Speaker 1: have a roller?
Speaker 2: I think if it impact my whole life. God took
Speaker 2: me to the to the bottom where that when I
Speaker 2: got divorce. You know, the voice is like that dang.
Speaker 2: Like a business, you destroys you. You lose everything, You
Speaker 2: lose everything. So for me, you know, it just not
Speaker 2: it just it was a self reflection for me. So
Speaker 2: I didn't mind going back to the crushing place, you know,
Speaker 2: because God needed to wake me up. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like i'ma I'm gonna redeem you, but I
Speaker 2: gotta humble you too. I gotta break you down and
Speaker 2: make me realize because a lot of things in life
Speaker 2: I was taking for granted. You know, when we're young,
Speaker 2: we get money. It's just a lot of things I
Speaker 2: was taking for granted. And I just start appreciating little
Speaker 2: things like be able to scratch, you know, be able
Speaker 2: to still run, like my organs still work, that I still.
Speaker 1: Can, got my right mind. You know, it was just me.
Speaker 1: The drugs had me because I was an introvert, and
Speaker 1: I felt like that being an introvert ain't gonna get you.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna get you paid because you just you
Speaker 1: can't be quiet. You gotta go out and men. So
Speaker 1: the drugs helped me to do that. But people start
Speaker 1: to notice, like, tell me, all right, did did did
Speaker 1: your work slip because of the pilling? Oh? Did it?
Speaker 2: God took my hair in a way he took me.
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear. I couldn't hear, right. I remember I
Speaker 2: was in the studio with Tanache and I was playing
Speaker 2: this beat, and now I think.
Speaker 1: What I thought about it.
Speaker 2: I was like, that was the waggist beat ever but
Speaker 2: in my head. But I was still going through recovery stage,
Speaker 2: so I shouldn't have really gotten into that room.
Speaker 1: But because I ain't know quit it, I'm gonna. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. But I know through me still getting
Speaker 1: off of the drug, I still.
Speaker 2: Had some relapse that still wasn't correct, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear properly, so I I was just I
Speaker 2: was trying to get back at something that God gave me.
Speaker 1: So I neglect the gift. I neglect music. I thought
Speaker 1: I was bigger than music, and that's not how it works.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to give God all the glory
Speaker 1: for what you have, your gift, and don't get above
Speaker 1: the gift. And I got above the gift, and the
Speaker 1: drugs have me like I'm Timbo. Everybody canna come to me.
Speaker 1: And then when I realized ain't nobody coming to me?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and my energy is wearing
Speaker 1: off on the world and I didn't even know it.
Speaker 1: In social media stuff I was saying with this all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reporters that yet told you said, man, don't do
Speaker 2: no interviews. Yep, that's what I'm trying to say. He's
Speaker 2: a prophet, you know. Even Drake told me. Drake, that's
Speaker 2: why I said, That's why I look at people like
Speaker 2: those guys. Those guys are like special to the world,
Speaker 2: Like you know, Drake, I think I did something talk
Speaker 2: crazy on one Revolt and Dre's.
Speaker 1: Like, yo, man, you don't want to do that and
Speaker 1: have to go back and apologize later, like you want
Speaker 1: to check it.
Speaker 2: Like I commend people like that for correcting me and
Speaker 2: on my behavior. Chris Brown corrected me on my behavior.
Speaker 2: So I commend people because that's what we need, even
Speaker 2: though it might cut to the night. Still, I don't
Speaker 2: look at it as what's up what you're trying to say.
Speaker 1: I don't look at it as a.
Speaker 2: Bee that used to be, that used to be how
Speaker 2: we community raised kids, we're growing up. If the elderly
Speaker 2: people of somebody older than you saw you do it wrong,
Speaker 2: they say, Tim.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Still, no curse, You too young to curse?
Speaker 1: Are you too young to still? You too young to smoke?
Speaker 2: But somehow we lost that now that if we see
Speaker 2: other blacks and we try to correct them, let that
Speaker 2: man live you being an other time, you speaking man,
Speaker 2: speaking negative. But they thought enough of you, they say, man,
Speaker 2: Tim to.
Speaker 1: Say you man. That's why I say it's love. That's
Speaker 1: why I love it like I because nobody got to
Speaker 1: say nothing to watch you fall right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Now, Once they give you the information, it's
Speaker 1: up to YouTube to do to do what you do. Now.
Speaker 2: I didn't do it as much because the drugs had
Speaker 2: a little bit more told. Once I started breaking myself off,
Speaker 2: winning myself off divorce, then all this stuff started coming
Speaker 2: out in my divorce, like who was doing this byd
Speaker 2: you know, not saying behind my back, but stuff I
Speaker 2: wasn't paying attention to right because I fought me because
Speaker 2: I could have if it be something different, if.
Speaker 1: I was paying attention right. So I can't say, oh,
Speaker 1: nobody did me wrong because the drugs had my mind
Speaker 1: and thinking that I'm gonna always be this, i'm'na always
Speaker 1: do that, which is kind of like you kind of
Speaker 1: need that mentality because that mentality kept me going. I
Speaker 1: didn't like how the mentality came on from a drug abuse.
Speaker 1: If it was just me being natural, being like, all right,
Speaker 1: that's what it is, because it allow me to get
Speaker 1: out of the situation.
Speaker 2: It's that makes us great, that also makes us most
Speaker 2: vallible exactly. He rose in the villain and one a
Speaker 2: what is a Timbo studio session?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, is there you know? Is there ambionce
Speaker 1: going on? You got? I mean? What was it? We
Speaker 1: coming in? We gotta okay, we got a student time
Speaker 1: you normally you're said what time? Which okay? Which area
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Okay, I guess the young the young,
Speaker 1: the young dudes, they cover that thing at like midnight,
Speaker 1: two o'clock two as that's how I used to start, Okay.
Speaker 1: I didn't go still till like one o'clock. So what
Speaker 1: dare you doing? What mean? What you ain't got job
Speaker 1: to fleet? Like a fan part. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: I was, I was gone and I was gone. I
Speaker 1: keep the shades down.
Speaker 2: I was in the dark, bro, I was in get
Speaker 2: out for real, like for real, like for real, like
Speaker 2: I tell people now, people tell me on lean and stuff.
Speaker 2: I be like, I know the feeling, I know the
Speaker 2: goodness of it, but I know the bad outweighs the good.
Speaker 2: I slept with the shades down, like who sleeps in darkness?
Speaker 2: I never wanted the shaves up. I constantly just oh,
Speaker 2: the sunlights hurt my eyes. That's darkness, man. Like I
Speaker 2: ain't start, I ain't come out to the dark. And
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, I look back at it
Speaker 2: like now and for real, always.
Speaker 1: Had to like nine to five, I'm out of there.
Speaker 1: I like nine to five. I get started TI twelve o'clock,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was like, but
Speaker 1: now I look at it like I get better because
Speaker 1: you know, I train, I work out, I take care
Speaker 1: of your body. I do all of that.
Speaker 2: So I started around about like twelve, and I try
Speaker 2: to stop it like nine because my brain, Look, I
Speaker 2: ain't got no more juice of it, me, bro, I ain't.
Speaker 2: We're gonna we got two hits today, right okay? Because
Speaker 2: after that, I know it's gonna be bull crap. I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna fool myself. I'm going home and watch some TV,
Speaker 2: watch your show.
Speaker 1: One. Then I go back and go back into a beat.
Speaker 1: So coming to a Timulus session today, it's like I
Speaker 1: go in there with my team, a young producer and
Speaker 1: I going there and be and be coach coach simbo
Speaker 1: and going there dictate no this, move this, let's change this,
Speaker 1: let's do this, and we going there. We make about
Speaker 1: three or four four hot ones and like, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go live life, Let's go look at some TV.
Speaker 1: Le's read a book, Let's go look at something. Because
Speaker 1: you can't just sit in there. It's constant do music.
Speaker 1: This repetition. It's repetitious. And after a while, you like
Speaker 1: you kind of like overloaded. You have to like take
Speaker 1: a break. And I've learned that through time, like taking
Speaker 1: a break helps you recover.
Speaker 2: That I watch you, follow you on social media, and
Speaker 2: I see that you work out, You spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time, and I want to commend you on that
Speaker 2: because I like to see when brothers take care of
Speaker 2: themselves and that their health is a big party. And
Speaker 2: mean wealth doesn't mean anything if you're not healthy. Yep,
Speaker 2: And so to see you do that and see the
Speaker 2: transformation that you put your body through. And you did
Speaker 2: it all through hard work.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You inspired me. Look how you look? Ill?
Speaker 1: I tell my coach Phil sitting over there. I tell
Speaker 1: them all. I said, man, look how Shannon look. Man,
Speaker 1: I hope you don't ever take off his shirt? See
Speaker 1: to me? Said he said, he got hip replaced. I
Speaker 1: said him, don't look bad. Come on here, like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's you the rock.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, being fifty is like being twenty all over.
Speaker 2: And my dad just had two strokes and you know,
Speaker 2: and God bless him. He still you know, didn't lose
Speaker 2: too much. Don't have you know, it's got a little speech.
Speaker 2: Got hit by eighteen wheel of randover back and forth.
Speaker 1: That's all. The thing he did was poo poo on
Speaker 1: the self. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I look at the bloodline of a family, my dead.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yo, I've been on heavy narcotics.
Speaker 1: My kids. I want to be I don't and I
Speaker 1: just I don't want to be lazy. I don't. I
Speaker 1: know that I'm better than this. And I always had vision.
Speaker 1: I look in the mirror. Some people can look at
Speaker 1: you know they weight and everything. I was just one
Speaker 1: who always saw when I look at say huge your
Speaker 1: own beddest the rock, I'm like, see that's I got
Speaker 1: that bone structure.
Speaker 2: I pulled a fit like where they go line each
Speaker 2: other up. I want to stand at least I'm at
Speaker 2: the end of the line. I said that as we
Speaker 2: look at athlete, and I just started like, yo, I
Speaker 2: could be like that. But then I always like food
Speaker 2: used to be a part of it, till I have
Speaker 2: to just say, you know what, I'm like, John wigg
Speaker 2: that ship, will you know what?
Speaker 1: I could do this?
Speaker 2: And so I just started as like I look at
Speaker 2: you and I just watch you in the gym. I
Speaker 2: look at all y'all and I'm like, no, this fifties
Speaker 2: and new thirties, Like you know what I'm saying, look
Speaker 2: at these look at these guys like that's how you're
Speaker 2: supposed to look. You're supposed to be healthy, keeping going
Speaker 2: like you're not supposed to get old.
Speaker 1: And then it's just just like you only get one car.
Speaker 1: Your body is your car, your one life, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, one life. I mean I got both replaced.
Speaker 2: You can get knee replacement, you know hard lung kidney
Speaker 2: can replace life.
Speaker 1: Nah, look I'm looking like it. Look at it. It's
Speaker 1: like he's twenty years old. Bro.
Speaker 2: Like I just tell him, I said, man, TV, don't
Speaker 2: do him justice. The camera's gotta stop. They gotta stop that, bro.
Speaker 2: The camera's adding No, y'all lenses is off. Because I
Speaker 2: look at the brothers like you still play you like
Speaker 2: y'all t o.
Speaker 1: All these people I beat. I'm amazing athletes Like I
Speaker 1: took a new liking to all athletes because the abuse
Speaker 1: that y'all take. The critic people who don't even work
Speaker 1: out tell you that you you know you talk he made,
Speaker 1: But have you got on the field, have you lift
Speaker 1: the weight? Until you start looking at what y'all do
Speaker 1: and what y'all put your body through. It's a respect
Speaker 1: that I love. I worked out with Chris Paul and
Speaker 1: he was like, man, just you being not an athlete,
Speaker 1: this is what I do for a job, but you
Speaker 1: come out here and put it in with me. I
Speaker 1: respect you.
Speaker 2: I would buy anything you selling like you know because
Speaker 2: you put in the work. And I ain't really understood
Speaker 2: that until I saw them. I'm like, man, we look
Speaker 2: at we talk about the big pays that's cool, but
Speaker 2: what they go through it's what I mean. Everybody sees
Speaker 2: the pay there, but they don't know the process too.
Speaker 1: It's just like you.
Speaker 2: I mean, they see the beat, but they don't understand
Speaker 2: what you went through growing up to perfect the craft
Speaker 2: that finally the culmination is okay. Crime a river suit
Speaker 2: and tie beats and all that other thing. They don't
Speaker 2: see that. All they see is the payoff.
Speaker 1: That's all this.
Speaker 2: But see, I have a whole up respect and I
Speaker 2: felt like I came with a program when we call
Speaker 2: push and peaks that I feel like people of our age,
Speaker 2: our generation talking to the men's it's from forty on up,
Speaker 2: thirty on up. Look, it's not about it's about mental
Speaker 2: clarity working out. It's cool for the body, but it
Speaker 2: really makes me clear. It gives me a high that
Speaker 2: I never I can't explain, and it makes me look
Speaker 2: at life a little different. It takes away anxiety for me.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a whole lifestyle, Like it's my
Speaker 2: whole life, Like I can't I don't like to travel
Speaker 2: if I like my meals is messed up.
Speaker 1: Like I'm very serious with her, Like I'm so serious
Speaker 1: with it like I'm like, wait minute, what we gotta
Speaker 1: do for two days? Oh man, let me figure out
Speaker 1: my schedule. I need it, I need my supplements. I
Speaker 1: need this and it and I feel good and I
Speaker 1: have great doctors around me, just just like teaching me
Speaker 1: about the body.
Speaker 2: Like they said, Yo, Tim, I get your glue coast monitors.
Speaker 2: I said, you know about I ain't got no disease,
Speaker 2: like I'm a hard but no, we want to turn
Speaker 2: into a fat burning machine, not a sugar burning machine.
Speaker 2: So I start getting the glue coast monitor, putting on
Speaker 2: my arm and going like this. I'm really all into
Speaker 2: it because I feel like it's it's allowed me to
Speaker 2: do things like this.
Speaker 1: You have a conversation where I used to be scared, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't used to I didn't think I had enough
Speaker 1: in me to do this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: My education ain't all that great. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm and it allows me to say, Tim,
Speaker 2: you good you. I made your your imperfection perfection, right,
Speaker 2: go show your gift. You don't know who you can touch.
Speaker 2: So I just started this being free and be by
Speaker 2: me working out and allows me to endorphins in my
Speaker 2: brain to say I'm a better me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you take allership of your imperfection, you're frailty is
Speaker 2: then no one can make you feel inferial about it exactly.
Speaker 2: And when I when I work out with the athletes
Speaker 2: and they go faster, they look at me, and he
Speaker 2: got and Piel got a lot of fighters that come
Speaker 2: in there. He trade all these fighters and they be like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I ain't trading all these guys.
Speaker 1: But he said, no, get in there. That's what you need.
Speaker 1: Get now. I get in there, and then they look
Speaker 1: at me.
Speaker 2: They dap me up, and they really dap me up,
Speaker 2: Like I could tell it ain't just because I'm timbo
Speaker 2: to can They really like yeah, yo, because that's because
Speaker 2: that's what we do. We're athletes.
Speaker 1: We trained. That'll be like if we came in the
Speaker 1: studio and we did okay on the train, You're like, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same thing we're gonna give you yours
Speaker 2: because that's what we do. We train our jobs as
Speaker 2: body and to make sure our body is performing at
Speaker 2: the peak conditioning. Yes, yes, And so I wanted to
Speaker 2: commend you on that. Let me ask you a question,
Speaker 2: get you out of him business. Are we gonna get
Speaker 2: a Timbo Missy reunion? And you got anything come? Any
Speaker 2: new music coming out?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: We all getting a Timbo Missy. I'm gathering up the
Speaker 2: sound because it's certain. It's a certain sound that I
Speaker 2: want her to have at you know, you see how
Speaker 2: good she looks right now. Yeah, she looked like she's
Speaker 2: twenty years old. Yeah, So I want to give.
Speaker 1: Her a sound to fit how she looks. And that's
Speaker 1: my job to get her excited while she's doing all
Speaker 1: the things because I think she's doing the lovers and friends.
Speaker 2: She got a lot of festivals coming up. So I'm
Speaker 2: just gathering all my material to really go sit down
Speaker 2: with her. I know April is gonna be a busy mutt,
Speaker 2: but I gotta finish up with her and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try it. We're gonna try to put it out around
Speaker 2: her birthday in July. Okay, I got cambot. Appreciate you, brother,
Speaker 2: and this was beautiful brother. Thank you, Bro, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thank you taking the opportunity to sitting down and talking
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: Bro hey man. But look this shay.
Speaker 3: Geez, all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, Hustle
Speaker 3: bad the Price, Wanta slice got the brother.
Speaker 1: Dis Swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life,
Speaker 1: all my life and grinding all my life.
Speaker 3: Sacrifice, Hustle bad, the Price one Slice got the brother.
Speaker 3: Dis swap all my life.
Speaker 1: I've been grinding all my life.