Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. Turn this shop in my
Speaker 1: headphone from.
Speaker 2: The Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL. I
Speaker 2: am Dan Hansi's heroes here, Greg rosehal Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: I just got a little bisachia bump myself.
Speaker 3: You did.
Speaker 1: This is a double digits week ten is here.
Speaker 4: Usually the bump would refer to someone having been fired,
Speaker 4: and that would create the bump in the energy.
Speaker 2: But in this case, that's I had someone dismissed behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. Okay, today that was morning. Just to feel something, yea,
Speaker 2: and that made me feel alive.
Speaker 5: I'm feeling that bump on a on a Thursday. Was
Speaker 5: talking with Mark. It's like I'm an empty husk of
Speaker 5: a human. I feel like Tuesday Wednesday, and by Thursday
Speaker 5: we're just warming up and like I'm feeling I'm feeling alive,
Speaker 5: feeling energized on a Thursday.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it.
Speaker 5: We're all different, We're all Wednesday. I just kind of
Speaker 5: sit there and watch the show and it's like, this
Speaker 5: is a fun show. This is a funny show that.
Speaker 1: On Oh I'm on the program.
Speaker 2: I'm on it, you know.
Speaker 1: I found it to be uh.
Speaker 2: I found it to be real liberating creatively watching my
Speaker 2: favorite band U two at the.
Speaker 3: Sphere and uh, what's the sphere?
Speaker 2: The Sphere is the big the big circle thing ball
Speaker 2: thing in Las Vegas. That's a concert venue. And it
Speaker 2: made me just realize that, yeah, we are one, but
Speaker 2: we're not the.
Speaker 3: Same, Okay, now, Worth.
Speaker 4: It probably a different opts than we watched you two
Speaker 4: at Qualcomm, like a husk of that looked like it
Speaker 4: was like nuclear bomb in the late early nineties. A.
Speaker 1: Right, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Am I offending you by critiquing al Stadium?
Speaker 2: You're actually bothered because it's Qualcomm and he's very close
Speaker 2: to certain corporations.
Speaker 4: Greg, And honestly, Greg, what would be offensive about that comment?
Speaker 3: Like, we're not offensive.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, let's let's ease off on the Qualcomm.
Speaker 1: He was a vice president of Qualcomm.
Speaker 6: Some great memory of some great memories there of Philip
Speaker 6: Rivers and.
Speaker 2: That place was a'nt at. It is no longer it's
Speaker 2: a parking and it wasn't back in the day.
Speaker 4: It was a great place just when Dan and I
Speaker 4: were there. Compared to the Sphere, I'm saying, I'm saying
Speaker 4: a to B to A to b testing.
Speaker 2: We have a lot to get to, but you know,
Speaker 2: part of being the fan experience and also since I
Speaker 2: brought up a concert, it's a concert experience. I kind
Speaker 2: of like going to old dumps because there was a
Speaker 2: place called the La Sports Arena downtown that has also
Speaker 2: since I think been torn down. That do you have
Speaker 2: any issues WITHG with d that's off. At a certain point,
Speaker 2: the city decides and the same thing happened in San Diego.
Speaker 2: We're not putting any more money into this place, and
Speaker 2: then the certain venue those still concerts or sports events
Speaker 2: will be played there, and it's like going into a
Speaker 2: time machine. Like I remember going to the old Sports
Speaker 2: Arena and going to the concession stand and there were
Speaker 2: Zenith TVs from nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: It was like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, yeah, head nod to like
Speaker 4: Pontiac Silverdome, the photos of that place ten years after all.
Speaker 2: Right, before we can get into anything for week ten, Greg,
Speaker 2: you do have a statement to make right to camera,
Speaker 2: to to Qualcom executives.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Oh the way you did the Chargers dirty
Speaker 5: the entire city of San Diego.
Speaker 3: Eat it.
Speaker 5: I mean you could have kept that team and if
Speaker 5: you couldn't keep it, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's more of the ownership.
Speaker 1: I thought.
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna GENUFLEC to the suits of Qualcomm.
Speaker 2: I thought that that was the setup there. All right,
Speaker 2: all right, let's get on track here, got on here?
Speaker 2: All right, we have a draft to do here. We
Speaker 2: have another Germany game. We'll get to that in a
Speaker 2: little bit, but let's get going here.
Speaker 3: Is that part of our draft we'll put in the back.
Speaker 2: End, and we're all gonna watch it anyway, but maybe
Speaker 2: we'll just save it for the end time. Now for
Speaker 2: the first pick, presented by Draft Kings and Greg, you
Speaker 2: do have the first pick today.
Speaker 5: I'm excited for it, and I didn't hesitate. I immediately
Speaker 5: went to forty nine ers minus three, getting three points
Speaker 5: at the Jaguars. Talk about disrespectful a team on a
Speaker 5: three game losing streak against a team on a five
Speaker 5: game winning streak, that winning streak team is at home.
Speaker 1: Who's being disrespected to the Jaguars?
Speaker 5: The Jaggers around a five game heater over under here
Speaker 5: is forty five feels a little high. It feels like
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a defensive game, because this Jaguars run
Speaker 5: defense has been.
Speaker 1: Sorry, what what was the bell for there?
Speaker 2: Eric?
Speaker 1: Out of curiosity, I just need to know, just.
Speaker 7: A note, you know, made a good point something that
Speaker 7: we need to get into the show.
Speaker 5: I think serious, what the point was? That's all the
Speaker 5: point was how good their run defense. It's got to
Speaker 5: be a low scoring and you know what their defense
Speaker 5: reminds me a little bit is some of those old
Speaker 5: forty nine ers defense. It's kind of like a Trent
Speaker 5: Balki revenge game. Remember was getting on Trent Balki when
Speaker 5: he was with Urban Mild Bakamas.
Speaker 6: And here he is.
Speaker 5: He's built up a nice team. And my larger point
Speaker 5: is the big bodies they got. It's just like they're
Speaker 5: not flashy, but it's fat Toukasi and they got Davon
Speaker 5: Hamilton back and Roy Roberts and harr their edges, even
Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker, he's a good run defender, Josh Allen.
Speaker 3: They're just big.
Speaker 5: They're just massive, and they're going up against a forty
Speaker 5: nine ers running attack that, for whatever reason, has skated
Speaker 5: on all the criticism. While brock Party's late interceptions got
Speaker 5: all the attention. They've stunk, and this team doesn't make
Speaker 5: any sense when you can't run the ball, and they
Speaker 5: haven't had Trent Williams. Maybe he's back for this game,
Speaker 5: maybe he isn't, but they've been below average in terms
Speaker 5: of their running, and Christian McCaffrey since those first hot
Speaker 5: four or five games is averaging three point three yards
Speaker 5: per carry, under fifty rushing yards per game over the
Speaker 5: last month. And if you can't run, you're not the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers. And I think it's gonna be tough
Speaker 5: in this game.
Speaker 4: I think some of the injuries to San Francisco just
Speaker 4: changed who they were. I mean, Jalen Moore stepping in
Speaker 4: for Trent Williams over two games, big deal, allowed thirteen
Speaker 4: pressures in a second. I think Trent Williams is the
Speaker 4: one lineman where you can say if he's not in there,
Speaker 4: like everything they want to do and who they are,
Speaker 4: and if you're brock party, it's gonna affect you and
Speaker 4: it affected the nob obviously in a negative fashion. Deebo
Speaker 4: Samuel is practicing again. I mean, if they ever got
Speaker 4: Trent Williams, I.
Speaker 3: Think you're back down to definitely back frank practice.
Speaker 4: And I think, like all of Rock Party's interceptions came
Speaker 4: with Deebo Samuel's out of the Deebo Samuel out of
Speaker 4: the lineup, Trent Williams out of the lineup, so it's like,
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with him healthwise. You also add
Speaker 4: Chase Young. I think that's a big point here. But
Speaker 4: you do have like Jacksonville's Josh Allen against what could
Speaker 4: be a Trent Williams free line, and I think that
Speaker 4: matters because we've seen a different version of this offense
Speaker 4: and the running game is a big part of it.
Speaker 3: Last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, we've had conversations about Brandon
Speaker 2: Nyuk and oh he's already a superstar and I love
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk, but the offense with that Deebo Samuel has
Speaker 2: been different the last few weeks. What he brings to
Speaker 2: this team when he's healthy, and I think they played
Speaker 2: this right. He had a hairline fracture in his shoulder
Speaker 2: and they gave him two weeks off essentially and then
Speaker 2: the bye. So if he comes back and he's himself,
Speaker 2: that's gonna make a big difference and it's gonna help
Speaker 2: Rock Party. And I think this is because we don't
Speaker 2: want to just focus on the quarterback. But this is
Speaker 2: such an important game for Purdy because the criticism started
Speaker 2: to mount. Now a losing streak is mounted, you get
Speaker 2: a buy to kind of reset things. If he doesn't
Speaker 2: play well in this game, the questions begin in earnest
Speaker 2: about what Kyle Shanahan's gonna do at quarterback moving forward.
Speaker 2: I think if he plays poorly, it becomes a real
Speaker 2: conversation regarding Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: That's my opinion. Now. Is he gonna stay.
Speaker 2: Loyal to party? Maybe regardless of play. But also, this
Speaker 2: is a team that is in full Steinbrenner doctrine mode.
Speaker 2: Anything short of a super Bowl is considered failure and
Speaker 2: they can't simply just ride with the quarterback that's struggling. Now.
Speaker 1: Is he truly struggling?
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think he's playing the exact
Speaker 6: same as he's played.
Speaker 1: The exact same. Yeah, I want to go that far.
Speaker 5: I would like I think the first two three quarters
Speaker 5: of all these games, he's looked like his turnover luck
Speaker 5: has gone down, but he was always taking a few
Speaker 5: extra chances. I think his baseline is much higher than
Speaker 5: Jimmy G's is or was with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5: I think I think Shannan watches his tape and thinks
Speaker 5: it's it's not pretty, like it's a couple plays here
Speaker 5: or there, but it's everything.
Speaker 6: It's a running game. I think he's been fine.
Speaker 5: The problem is they're playing like the Jaguars defense might
Speaker 5: be the most surprising unit in the entire NFL because
Speaker 5: they made no changes and they went from one of
Speaker 5: the worst to one of the best. And this is
Speaker 5: a great I do love we're getting a week ten.
Speaker 5: I love the NFL season because I think the later
Speaker 5: you get, the more meaning and the more built up,
Speaker 5: like this is a real hm, how different is twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three really gonna Because Darius Williams playing really well
Speaker 5: at cornerback, making place Foyer Luacan. We talked about Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: like they're playing really well and if Trevor Lawrence and
Speaker 5: that offense can be just a little more explosive, they've
Speaker 5: been a little disappointing. They're a little station to station
Speaker 5: and just holding on till he's a little more explosive
Speaker 5: against a forty nine ers defense which is below average
Speaker 5: over the last three weeks, and they're doing the move
Speaker 5: where Steve Wilks is now coming down to the sideline.
Speaker 5: I can't quite figure out why they're not good, because
Speaker 5: they've got all the same players either, but they're giving
Speaker 5: up way too many big plays. They've been out coached,
Speaker 5: I think, And man, this is a great opportunity Jacksonville
Speaker 5: to really put a stamp as a super Vulcan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think like because there's so much focus on obviously
Speaker 4: Brock Purdy, Deebo, Samuel fantasy assets on that side of
Speaker 4: the ball. That like the fact that Kirk Cousins and
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow went sixty three of seventy seven for six
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty plus yards, that they've allowed eight hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty over the last two weeks, that Minnesota thrashed them,
Speaker 4: that they basically could have squeezed Minnesota out of, you know,
Speaker 4: any sort of future consideration of who they were. Instead,
Speaker 4: they steal that game. You have Joe Burrow having this
Speaker 4: complete and total awakening against this defense. And I think
Speaker 4: it kind of matters that Steve Wolkes is down on
Speaker 4: the sideline. He felt players felt he was a little removed,
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 1: Come on, Steve, come on down here.
Speaker 3: Well, no, but you want how does Robert Sala get
Speaker 3: a job?
Speaker 4: I mean, I go back to like when we were
Speaker 4: in London, coach pump his fist up and down the sideline,
Speaker 4: encouraging players. Demiko Ryan's sort of the same kind of guy.
Speaker 4: And so it's like I think it's Kyle Shanahan saying,
Speaker 4: let's get that back.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I know it's been so it doesn't matter up, but
Speaker 3: like I think it does. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: I'm just saying relac.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Steve Wilkes has the same kind
Speaker 2: of charisma visually that Timiko Ryans and Robert Sala have.
Speaker 2: And I actually think that's part that has helped that
Speaker 2: help both Ryan's and Salad. They looked like vital guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's Wilkes's EI.
Speaker 4: The one thing about Wilkes because he was in Cleveland,
Speaker 4: he's been in Carolina like players are like he's like
Speaker 4: a total alpha, like they love playing for him, but
Speaker 4: he's not Robert Sala.
Speaker 3: Oh here we go.
Speaker 7: We got some zoo. Cincinnati Zoo, the Cincinnati Zoo. No
Speaker 7: video this week, guys, So no shots at Greg or anything.
Speaker 7: But they did want me to let you guys know
Speaker 7: they will be locking up the forty nine ers against
Speaker 7: the Jaguars this week.
Speaker 2: All right, and I have some developing news. This is
Speaker 2: from the ATN Media Insider. This is a source very
Speaker 2: close to the individual. Here. Okay, here's a here's a line.
Speaker 2: After you get our lock, I would like you to
Speaker 2: tell Greg I won't be doing any more videos until
Speaker 2: he stops taking six point fail frits every week. The
Speaker 2: guy is the least fun human on the planet.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Whoa like?
Speaker 3: First of all, he didn't Again, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: reveal who he is.
Speaker 1: That's very close.
Speaker 2: Hard to understand who.
Speaker 5: It's funny because there was like multiple weeks in a
Speaker 5: row where I either took underdogs or low spreads, like
Speaker 5: lower than his and I'm say anything.
Speaker 2: I'm just reporting. There's nothing. There's nothing editorial.
Speaker 4: We've we've lost like Nick slash you know, fill in
Speaker 4: the blank, Westling brother on a video platform because of
Speaker 4: the react.
Speaker 5: So there, so there is a plus to me taking favorite,
Speaker 5: so that I'm now looking for a six point favorite
Speaker 5: so I can get that bald dome off the show.
Speaker 2: So there's no I love the bad blood it's building.
Speaker 2: I but the so there's no ownership to what he's saying.
Speaker 2: You're saying it's completely false.
Speaker 6: It's false. Some weeks he was mad I took he
Speaker 6: was really mad.
Speaker 5: I took the Seahawks, I think, or the Ravens over
Speaker 5: the Seahawks, which was a three Or wasn't that like
Speaker 5: a four point spread?
Speaker 6: It was two good teams?
Speaker 3: Like who cares?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Counterpoint on to back Greg a little bit? What if
Speaker 4: Nick's like, you know it got a lot going on,
Speaker 4: don't feel like raising the production of the show. Maybe
Speaker 4: you don't have time to do a video in my
Speaker 4: car during my lunch break at work and gonna blame
Speaker 4: Greg for it.
Speaker 5: Here here's what I would say to Nick, like, worry
Speaker 5: about your own mediocre record and your lack of a
Speaker 5: championship and pick winners?
Speaker 2: What and why are you saying? Nick? I didn't say
Speaker 2: who it from because a true insider does not reveal
Speaker 2: his source.
Speaker 3: True, But I would say, just from our old media.
Speaker 1: Inside side inside.
Speaker 7: For the truth.
Speaker 4: Go to the UITs.
Speaker 3: You don't need.
Speaker 1: You don't for the dolphin the dolphins.
Speaker 4: You don't need a flock of dolphins and a gong
Speaker 4: to tell you that Nick's been the one who's consistently
Speaker 4: coming after Greg for two years at this point.
Speaker 2: So you don't need like a gong and dolphins for anything, really,
Speaker 2: but if you can.
Speaker 4: Get them, I enjoy it. I'm just saying it's it
Speaker 4: didn't inform me, you know.
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Speaker 1: Pick number two.
Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions traveling across the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: To play the Chargers.
Speaker 2: Uh, it is the Jim Nance, Tony Romo Tracy Wolfson game.
Speaker 5: Weird because it's at four five. Just to see Tony
Speaker 5: Romot four or five is weird.
Speaker 1: So sorry, okay, I mean weird.
Speaker 3: That means Tony ro very weird. Nice city, is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Weird.
Speaker 3: It'll be in our city over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can facilitate something that would be a good
Speaker 2: he'd be a good hang.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's been on the show before was
Speaker 4: one of our better segments.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Yeah, you know, he's not. What's it like to
Speaker 2: go down to the supermarket with his dad?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 2: He thought?
Speaker 5: He definitely told us that the exact same story that
Speaker 5: he told the seven other people.
Speaker 2: Well, uncle Rico when he goes shopping for a ham,
Speaker 2: well he talks about direct TV all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, this is a real human conversation we're having.
Speaker 5: No, no, no guest has ever not been there while
Speaker 5: being there as much as Tony Romos.
Speaker 2: All right, so the Lions at the Chargers. Okay, Okay, Chargers,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you something. Sure, you took care of
Speaker 2: the Bears easily on Sunday Night Football. Then I think
Speaker 2: you caught the Jets at a good time when they
Speaker 2: were bottoming out at one of their like classic primetime
Speaker 2: home meltdowns. Perfect, good job, you took care of business
Speaker 2: there twenty seven to six. Now you get the Lions,
Speaker 2: and this is gonna be different because now you're playing
Speaker 2: a real team with talent on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 2: and I think this is one of the best.
Speaker 1: Matchups of the week.
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the reasons it is is
Speaker 2: We're gonna start now as we get into these double
Speaker 2: digit weeks, We're gonna start separating the pretenders from the contenders.
Speaker 2: And as much as I I have a tortured love
Speaker 2: affair with the Jets, we saw the Jets exposed. I
Speaker 2: thought on Monday night, I want to see what the
Speaker 2: Chargers look like here home against the Lions. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to see what the Lion's coming off a bye week,
Speaker 2: what they're doing. I'm excited to see Jamiir Gibbs again
Speaker 2: because what we saw against the Raiders was the sign
Speaker 2: of a breakout a week and the idea that this
Speaker 2: guy could be a real star for their offense. And
Speaker 2: Greg what happens if Jamir Gibbs becomes a star for
Speaker 2: this Lion's offense in the second half with everything else
Speaker 2: they got cooking.
Speaker 5: I think they need that, they need a little explosion,
Speaker 5: but I think they want to be a run for
Speaker 5: a team. We'll get David Montgomery back this week. Montgomery
Speaker 5: has looked better with the Lions than I ever expected.
Speaker 5: It's a great one to two punch. I think you'd
Speaker 5: see Gibbs as a receiver quite a bit this week.
Speaker 5: I think they'll be picking on Eric Kendricks. When I
Speaker 5: look at the Chargers defense, they're playing much better, they're
Speaker 5: getting pressure, but they're going to be going up against
Speaker 5: an offensive line that has all their guys in their
Speaker 5: spots for the first time since Week one. So every
Speaker 5: week you hear the announcer state this is one of
Speaker 5: the best offensive lines, Like, okay, has it been It's
Speaker 5: been fine. It really hasn't played that well this year.
Speaker 5: It's been okay. And now they're all together and one
Speaker 5: of their guys, Jonah Jackson said is.
Speaker 3: Like, we're gonna we're back. We're ready to put on
Speaker 3: a show.
Speaker 5: And that's a great matchup against a revived Joey Bosa
Speaker 5: and Tully Tuley Polo too, who's been playing out Stanley
Speaker 5: and Mack. Like this is a real Chargers defense lately,
Speaker 5: and it feels like it's kind of last chance saloon
Speaker 5: for Brandon Staley and this defense. Either their defense plays
Speaker 5: well the next two months he's in year three, or
Speaker 5: I think there'll be major questions about his program and
Speaker 5: you won't get to continue the program. He was a
Speaker 5: guy who was hired the exact same time mark as
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell and these two franchises, I feel like have
Speaker 5: gone in very different ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one has a very clear defined identity
Speaker 4: that kind of trickles down from who their head coach is.
Speaker 3: And it's not the Chargers, it's the Lions.
Speaker 4: And what better time than now if you're Brandon Staley
Speaker 4: and the defense to show up. You have Bosa looking
Speaker 4: like the Bosa we expected, and that's that was a
Speaker 4: huge performance against the Jets. I love the fact that
Speaker 4: m gun he's coming back because I think him and
Speaker 4: Gibbs together is it's what they want.
Speaker 3: You don't want one guy.
Speaker 4: But Gibbs quietly like leads the league in yards per
Speaker 4: game from scrimmage. Like I think that's been a little
Speaker 4: underreported because he had a bit of a slow start,
Speaker 4: and it's like he is exploded and it's a huge
Speaker 4: part of their offense.
Speaker 3: Flip side, I look at the Chargers.
Speaker 4: And it's like as as a starter, right but I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: when they've used him the way they want to and
Speaker 4: so it's like that is an emerging role right there.
Speaker 4: And Sam Laporta is like someone I think their draft,
Speaker 4: they nailed their draft. Basically, you have to look at
Speaker 4: it and say like that's been a huge success for me.
Speaker 4: The focus is like this Kellen Moore Chargers offense. If
Speaker 4: you're like Justin Herbert, you basically have one fewer turnover
Speaker 4: worthy play that you did all of last season and
Speaker 4: just two from the season before. So that's gone up,
Speaker 4: but the big plays have not. I think they clearly
Speaker 4: miss Mike Williams and I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 4: what happened against the Jets. Part of it is the
Speaker 4: Jets defense, but it's like, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: trust this offense down the stretch on a week to
Speaker 4: week basis, and the.
Speaker 2: Jets have not been completely bulletproof against teams this year.
Speaker 2: In the passing game, we saw the Cowboys light him up,
Speaker 2: and I just feels like there's something off with this offense.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize, by the way, and I know it's
Speaker 2: his left hand. And there was some things like is
Speaker 2: that injury affecting Herbert, which didn't really make sense because
Speaker 2: he's a righty, but like he had a broken bone
Speaker 2: that came through his skin. It was like, in terms
Speaker 2: of gnarly injuries, it's not quite our producer Eric chopping
Speaker 2: off half of his own thumb with a rated blade,
Speaker 2: but it's like pretty gnarly, so that's obviously something he's
Speaker 2: been dealing with. But like just getting off a big play,
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen making that great catch to help put that
Speaker 2: game away against the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like with the Chiefs strike.
Speaker 2: Why is it so hard for this team to generate
Speaker 2: offense with a player like Herbert.
Speaker 5: Well, because Keenan Allen is thirty one, was never a speedster, okay,
Speaker 5: and he's by far your number one receiver. Now, your
Speaker 5: one explosive guy was Mike Williams, he gone. Your next
Speaker 5: explosive guy was Joshua Palmer, he gone. I think that's
Speaker 5: a pretty big loss for ye Maybe they get Jalen
Speaker 5: guit the first round picking and then oh, by the way,
Speaker 5: I thought this offensive line was going to be great,
Speaker 5: it's just been mediocre. They got dominated more than the
Speaker 5: Jets offensive line got dominated on Monday Night. It's been
Speaker 5: Corey Linsley, their center, going out for you know, now,
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if is it going to be the season.
Speaker 5: He had a heart issue. I think one of the
Speaker 5: biggest injuries to any team all season. They haven't been great.
Speaker 5: The running game is among the league's worst in terms
Speaker 5: of success rate. So that's a lot of things being
Speaker 5: no juice. They're taking away there, there's no juice, And
Speaker 5: I think the way to beat the Lions is you
Speaker 5: attack them deep down the field. Their cornerbacks aren't great
Speaker 5: on the outside. I think they can give up big plays.
Speaker 5: I think their pass rush is okay with aon Hutchinson,
Speaker 5: but it's not great. It's not above average as a
Speaker 5: full team. And so that's the way to attack. The
Speaker 5: old Herbert would be making big plays you'd be excited about.
Speaker 6: But I'm not confident.
Speaker 5: The Lions are favored by three in this game, and
Speaker 5: that feels about right, even on the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good about it.
Speaker 2: Either. The Chargers past defense has been maligned, but they
Speaker 2: shut down the Jets that Zach Wilson jard Off coming
Speaker 2: off of bye, with those receivers, it could be different.
Speaker 3: All right, Mark, all right, I'm going to go. Let's
Speaker 3: see here. I am on the CJ. Stroud train.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Houston at Cincinnati. I want to just
Speaker 4: see kind of like I think he's one of the
Speaker 4: biggest stories in the entire league. Obviously, we talked about
Speaker 4: him a lot on Wednesday's show as like in the
Speaker 4: overt Rookie of the Year at this moment, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we wanted to see him through
Speaker 4: different eyes. Fourteen touchdowns and one pick. That's eight fewer
Speaker 4: picks than Josh Allen's, seven fewer than Mahomes and Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: and six more six fewer than are overly precious Gino Smith.
Speaker 4: So it's like this guy has been a pitch, but
Speaker 4: it's been a big play machine. And I think though
Speaker 4: for me, the matchup in this is a red hot
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow. I believe in this team that Bengals more
Speaker 4: than any team in the entire conference, and I would
Speaker 4: be very concerned from a Texans angle, But what's happened
Speaker 4: to their secondary? They are They are as injured as
Speaker 4: almost any one in the AFC right now in terms
Speaker 4: of a position group. Derek Stingley is in that window,
Speaker 4: but he's probably not gonna play this week. You got
Speaker 4: guys like someone like Shaq Griffin and Kadar Holman may
Speaker 4: have to be your cornerbacks. You're missing a ton of
Speaker 4: people against a high octane passing offense. I don't like
Speaker 4: that at all for the Texans, but I do think
Speaker 4: it could lead to a shootout that could be ultra fun.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the Stroud side of it, because watching
Speaker 2: that game, it was so it was pedestrian in the
Speaker 2: first half, and then once he started cooking. I mean,
Speaker 2: for a guy that's in his first year, how many
Speaker 2: guys throw a better ball than him right now?
Speaker 3: I mean you could tell that right away.
Speaker 1: Beautiful replacement.
Speaker 2: And I know two it gets credit for that too,
Speaker 2: but there just feels like there's there's something special about
Speaker 2: his ability to kind of just drop a ball in
Speaker 2: a bucket. He would he would definitely be one of
Speaker 2: the greatest in the league at that some absurd pro
Speaker 2: ball game, like got to throw it into this target.
Speaker 2: You could tell he has that accuracy, and when he's
Speaker 2: locked in, it's it's special to watch, so very exciting.
Speaker 4: I think also it's like he seems to be there
Speaker 4: are elements there's DNA at the type of quarterback that
Speaker 4: no matter who's around him, he's going to elevate him.
Speaker 4: Because no one before the season was looking at Noah Brown,
Speaker 4: Dalton Schultz, Nico Collins. I mean, Tank Dell is a
Speaker 4: promise here. Keey but that collection, we were saying there
Speaker 4: might be no one here for him to really thrive.
Speaker 3: He might not be in a great situation.
Speaker 4: And all of them are playing really well in this offense,
Speaker 4: which I think has a lot to do with Bob
Speaker 4: Slowek too.
Speaker 2: And this isn't that let's go get let's go get
Speaker 2: after justin Herbert. But you know what Stroud's doing with
Speaker 2: an average supporting cast is it's notable compared to what Herbert,
Speaker 2: who is the last crop of like gifted young quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: is struggling with. I don't think this is it that
Speaker 2: different the two groups.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 5: I think that the difference or one difference is the
Speaker 5: scheme that Slowak brought from San Francisco that's so quarterback
Speaker 5: friendly and it's really working right off the jump.
Speaker 6: In terms of the pass game. The running game is
Speaker 6: a hot mess.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and it's just as bad as the Chargers
Speaker 5: running game, it might be worse. So I think they
Speaker 5: lead the league in negative plays, like they're not getting
Speaker 5: anything done on the ground. And look, Stroud's had quiet weeks.
Speaker 5: The two previous games. They didn't combine, they didn't combine
Speaker 5: for three hundred yards passing, So it's not like he
Speaker 5: hasn't had rookie weeks. The difference between him and most
Speaker 5: rookies is his rookie weeks are just quiet, but they're
Speaker 5: not putting his team in a bad position. He's not
Speaker 5: making big mistakes. He's just not making big plays. I
Speaker 5: think Nico Collins is a real deal number one, Like
Speaker 5: he is a found talent tank Dell can get open.
Speaker 5: He's a one hundred and sixty five pound guy winning
Speaker 5: on the outside. Those last two catches he had were
Speaker 5: incredibly talented plays to win the game.
Speaker 3: As much Stroud should get credit for it.
Speaker 5: Those the sideline catch and the touchdown were what they're wild,
Speaker 5: like they weren't one hundred There are no players like that.
Speaker 6: Didn't used to exist.
Speaker 5: Like literally, I can't remember an NFL where one hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty found by pound guys are winning on the outside.
Speaker 5: It never happened. I guess Deshaun Jackson is maybe it.
Speaker 5: I did Mina Kimes' podcast our friend He's got to
Speaker 5: do T and F recap tonight. Oh nice for her
Speaker 5: home and home for Panthers Bears, And she compared Stroud
Speaker 5: to Burrow. She said, these two quarterbacks, if you look
Speaker 5: at it, kind of have a similar strengths and weaknesses
Speaker 5: or strengths for the most part. And when you were
Speaker 5: saying who would be good in one of those competitions,
Speaker 5: is putting the ball exactly where Joe Burrow c J Stroud.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's fair that they're giving the Texans
Speaker 4: six and a half points? Is there any disrespect for
Speaker 4: this rising young club that almost became the team of
Speaker 4: ATM it's in Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: They're putting it all together. They just did very well.
Speaker 5: The Bengals defense did against a very similar and probably
Speaker 5: better offense in San Francisco. Where the linebackers are making plays,
Speaker 5: they're very good, go inside to side. I feel like
Speaker 5: this could be a comeback to Earth game for the Texans.
Speaker 2: Samesy's in fact.
Speaker 5: But we might not see Jamar Chase by the way
Speaker 5: we should. That's a big deal here. Oh yeah, back
Speaker 5: injury might keep him out.
Speaker 2: And wait to say, it's six and a half and
Speaker 2: that's within the lock zone. I'm not going to go there.
Speaker 2: I did promise I was gonna locked Cincinnati every time
Speaker 2: they're in the zone. But I saw that at seven
Speaker 2: this morning, so it came down again fluctuating.
Speaker 5: I mean It probably depends where you look and the hour.
Speaker 6: It probably goes up and down.
Speaker 1: It's in the zone.
Speaker 6: Of this although I think we say if if it.
Speaker 5: Moves out of the zone, then your little tiny bang
Speaker 5: are U s O L it moves out.
Speaker 2: The little tiny pot on there?
Speaker 5: What's the Let me know right now and I'll I
Speaker 5: think we've said it. If it moves out, you're out
Speaker 5: of luck. Although that's usually for like injuries and stuff.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's the Chase thing that moved it.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. All right, I'm gonna ride with
Speaker 2: Cincinnati and if they fall out, I'll move. I'll pivot,
Speaker 2: lock it up as the ladder.
Speaker 3: Nick Nick can give you grief for that, then.
Speaker 4: I think he I think you're going to escape it
Speaker 4: from Nick. I think Nick's got an agenda. He's also
Speaker 4: a friend. I'm getting behind his team Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like the teflon Dan that was
Speaker 2: that was a smart move to Let's see uh that
Speaker 2: gott it doc on Netflix?
Speaker 4: Check it out?
Speaker 2: Very good, very good?
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, it's next to you.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm taking my other early game here, the
Speaker 4: Packers going to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Why would I pick this?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: What do you mean.
Speaker 4: Wait, it's my choice. It's my it's my will.
Speaker 2: Hang on a second. What's the problem. Wait, what is
Speaker 2: the problem with times this game?
Speaker 5: This is an early game. Yeah, with your first game
Speaker 5: early Texans been Oh you're not taking the Browns. Wait,
Speaker 5: how are you gonna that?
Speaker 3: He's making?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna how.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do your job here? What're you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You're not gonna watch Browns and Ravens.
Speaker 3: I watch them all. Oh boy, you do watch them all.
Speaker 3: I don't do that.
Speaker 6: You don't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the guy sanctity of the
Speaker 2: Sunday Night Show. You're gonna be able to watch your
Speaker 2: precious Browns against the mighty Ravens in a huge Division
Speaker 2: game and keep an eye on two other games.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have ten years of experience in watching three
Speaker 4: games at the same time, and like three three, you know,
Speaker 4: like crescendoing, colliding commercial breaks at the same time.
Speaker 1: So you know what, you're a professional. I just I
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to point it out.
Speaker 3: It's a good point. It is it is, it is not.
Speaker 3: It is a point with the zero meaning to me.
Speaker 4: Greg, I I will tell you why I'm doing this
Speaker 4: because because naturally.
Speaker 5: He watches all six at once anyway, so I guess
Speaker 5: it doesn't make a difference.
Speaker 6: I don't know. That's not our probe.
Speaker 2: It would hurt mine naturally, because it's the same thing
Speaker 2: when it's the Jets, Like if the Jets, they're going
Speaker 2: to get at least sixty percent of the focus and
Speaker 2: if it's a big division and how I've seventy's.
Speaker 3: It's not how I view the Browns though, either. So
Speaker 3: it's just I am by that, Okay, I know, well
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need to convince anyone. It's like, this is
Speaker 3: the I confidently want to do this, and there's a reason.
Speaker 1: Let's keep an eye on the game.
Speaker 4: The reason is is that I think that the concept
Speaker 4: of like Pittsburgh is the super messy team that's like
Speaker 4: metrically a disaster. They've been outscored and out gained by
Speaker 4: their opponents like to ridiculous extents. They're one of the
Speaker 4: greatest home football teams of this century. And it does
Speaker 4: a lot do with Mike Tomlin. And I don't need
Speaker 4: them to be perfect at all. I needed to find
Speaker 4: my lock this week and so wait, so I you know,
Speaker 4: I do those picks every week that you guys are
Speaker 4: telling me not to do. So I started to mix
Speaker 4: it up. I was like, how can this be more fun?
Speaker 4: So I brought in a true out of house expert,
Speaker 4: Spice Rack, to do my picks with me, and we
Speaker 4: have a spicy here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like, and I asked an NFL executive would be would
Speaker 4: you mind if I had my friend, you know, who
Speaker 4: was a true NFL man, like, come in and make
Speaker 4: these picks. And so if you see on the top
Speaker 4: right corner there spice Cess and Spice are now making
Speaker 4: these NFL picks.
Speaker 3: But you took the Packers in a defensive struggle. This
Speaker 3: is the thick. Yeah, this is the show. Well that
Speaker 3: was Spicy made that pick.
Speaker 4: I respect it, but there is already discombobulation the top five.
Speaker 3: I'm locking up the Steelers. I don't care. I'm locking
Speaker 3: up the Steelers. Well he picked them, so.
Speaker 1: What so did that just be spice Rack?
Speaker 3: Then we work together on various things. It's a week
Speaker 3: to week. For what you're saying, your picks have no meaning.
Speaker 5: You're not in the top five, and you're saying against that,
Speaker 5: you're saying that I don't need.
Speaker 3: To look at the world the way that you do.
Speaker 2: Greg. First of all, I feel like cessrack would be
Speaker 2: better than saspice.
Speaker 3: We can work on it, we can finish it.
Speaker 2: It happened on Also, I feel like the pick should
Speaker 2: sync up. But listen you, you can't lose here.
Speaker 4: So they're different mediums. Like this is for a lock situation.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm getting out of your business.
Speaker 1: But this whole game is just freaking me out.
Speaker 3: The whole segment is you guys trying to change me
Speaker 3: and alter me.
Speaker 1: No, we can't.
Speaker 3: It is like do it this way, do that way.
Speaker 3: It's like I refuse.
Speaker 2: I refuse for your own man.
Speaker 5: One can no one can change you, and you locking
Speaker 5: them up almost changes me. But I'm joining you on
Speaker 5: this lock. I'm not going to move off my original plan.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I think this Steeler's offense has been making progress, been small,
Speaker 5: but I think Kenny Pickett since the buy has looked
Speaker 5: much better. And by much better, I just mean passable,
Speaker 5: like not killing them. I just snap by snap, He's
Speaker 5: been okay. That Titans game, they had their best offensive
Speaker 5: game of the season. They only had eight drives and
Speaker 5: four of them were pretty long drives, including you know,
Speaker 5: a good game winning drive situation. I don't want to
Speaker 5: hear game winning drives necessarily brought up as as like
Speaker 5: a great metric because because Kenny Pickett has more than
Speaker 5: virtually anyone else in the NFL since since he's joined
Speaker 5: the NFL, I think he does have more. His numbers
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter, according to PFF, are right there
Speaker 5: with Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes as the three best
Speaker 5: quarterbacks in the fourth quarter since he entered the league.
Speaker 5: I do think they're gonna make sure to get George
Speaker 5: Pickens more involved. I don't buy at all what happened
Speaker 5: with the Packers last week. That's why I'm locking up
Speaker 5: this Steelers is the defense of Pittsburgh, even though they
Speaker 5: were a little banged up, getting after Jordan Love and
Speaker 5: me just not believing that the Packers can put together
Speaker 5: more than two touchdown drives in a game.
Speaker 4: Do you think that I know this the picket fourth
Speaker 4: quarter thing, and it's real, Like I think we saw
Speaker 4: that in primetime against the Raiders and the Black Friday
Speaker 4: game last year sort of the birth of that, and like,
Speaker 4: I think there's something about that in a quarterback and
Speaker 4: an offense. But it also points to the fact that
Speaker 4: they're such slow starters and they go quarters at a
Speaker 4: time to start games where it's like they're not jumping
Speaker 4: out to leads.
Speaker 3: Well they're not.
Speaker 5: They're not an easy lock and it's the reason they're
Speaker 5: only favored by three in this game despite their record
Speaker 5: being so much better. Is like, yeah, there's a reason
Speaker 5: they've been out gained eight straight times.
Speaker 4: Do you care Dan that George Pickens does the thing
Speaker 4: where you know, you wipe all Steelers stuff from your
Speaker 4: social media, you're complaining outright about everything. Then like three
Speaker 4: days later it's like, no, no, everything's fine, Like I
Speaker 4: think it's just frustration.
Speaker 2: You know that that hits on a couple of tropes
Speaker 2: that that cracked me up. The wide receiver must be
Speaker 2: mad at his team every week you erase the dry board.
Speaker 1: Back down to zero corope alert.
Speaker 2: And uh yes, also clearing your socials like like a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old girl.
Speaker 3: Just les right.
Speaker 4: It's no different than what a fourteen year old girl
Speaker 4: or or or would do or guy or guy.
Speaker 5: But it's it's like I think we're showing our age.
Speaker 5: It's it's a more accepted thing.
Speaker 6: Among the youth.
Speaker 3: But I think we're saying it's pro wider started to
Speaker 3: understand a quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I'll just throw it out there. The youth again not
Speaker 2: always right now?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I I chill quelcome stadium filled with youth.
Speaker 5: Packers fans have been getting after me for being so
Speaker 5: negative about this team.
Speaker 3: Then go ahead and win this game.
Speaker 5: They they are, and they have been able to run
Speaker 5: the ball a little better last week, and then run defense,
Speaker 5: which has been so bad under Joe Berry, has been
Speaker 5: better the last few weeks. And that's one of the
Speaker 5: reasons I like Pittsburgh in this game is their running
Speaker 5: attack is starting to get going a little bit. They
Speaker 5: ran the ball last so this is a nice little
Speaker 5: test of Warren and Harris versus this run defense.
Speaker 3: Get it done, Steelers.
Speaker 2: For the record, the Packers. The Steelers were also in
Speaker 2: my lock before I saw the Cincinnati lin move. So
Speaker 2: if I don't know, okay, Ryan does go, I will
Speaker 2: be joining you.
Speaker 5: Well that the one time we did that this year
Speaker 5: is my only loss of the year, and that's a win,
Speaker 5: but it's not a win for you. It is, though,
Speaker 5: the only when you're down a few. You need to
Speaker 5: catch up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's all you need your win.
Speaker 3: They impatient.
Speaker 4: The lockoff thing doesn't even make sense if you think
Speaker 4: about it's for the show, right, and.
Speaker 2: Like you're a man, Mark that you go buy your
Speaker 2: own code. Even from the outside, sometimes it's confusing. I
Speaker 2: don't really care if I win. I just want you
Speaker 2: to lose, right.
Speaker 5: But I don't believe that about the win because I
Speaker 5: remember that year, that year you took it.
Speaker 6: What it was exciting, It was an exciting time.
Speaker 1: But no, what was exciting was that you lost.
Speaker 2: And that me winning it's great, but it was that
Speaker 2: you lost that I was celebrating.
Speaker 1: Truly, You're good.
Speaker 2: You're like the Patriots of the two thousands, the team
Speaker 2: that they love to hate.
Speaker 3: Peggy.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break, all right, we are back. See.
Speaker 2: I don't want to relitigated again, Mark, But that absurd
Speaker 2: draft pick now put me in terms of like the
Speaker 2: ethics of the draft.
Speaker 1: Of course I should be taking Browns at Ravens. You should.
Speaker 2: That's a great game, but you should. That's an AFC
Speaker 2: North showdown. But I'm not going to do that, right,
Speaker 2: But I'm not. I'm I'm going to go to my
Speaker 2: late game with my next go around. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna be giving it to Gregs.
Speaker 3: A lot of complexities to that, like what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Like it's called a free will society and I've I've,
Speaker 4: you know, exercised my free will.
Speaker 2: What's your angle on this one? I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just love that. It's what's Kayser doing? Scrambled it? Well,
Speaker 2: you're breaking out of your limp. What's going on? Coffee
Speaker 2: coffee cups.
Speaker 1: Dropping to the floor, the linoleum? I do it? Should
Speaker 1: I take it?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 3: Go for it?
Speaker 1: No game, No, he's it's.
Speaker 5: Also the best early game left and you don't have
Speaker 5: an early I mean, actually it does make sense for
Speaker 5: the sake of the show.
Speaker 3: You should take it.
Speaker 4: If this were an actual draft, you're like passing on
Speaker 4: what you consider to be a great player because you
Speaker 4: want me to get the great thing.
Speaker 6: I think that's good. You should just take it.
Speaker 2: I will take the Browns at the Ravens looking Mark, Yes,
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Big check time for the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 2: because the last time these two teams faced off, what happened? Mark?
Speaker 4: Well, the Browns had a you know, loadly drafted rookie
Speaker 4: in there who was overwhelmed, and I thought it showed
Speaker 4: the first signs of an otherwise really good Browns defense.
Speaker 4: Of what Baltimore did to them on the ground. They
Speaker 4: gashed them big plays all over the place. Cleveland looked
Speaker 4: totally susceptible. They got nothing on offense. So it's maybe
Speaker 4: a little different than this time around, but it was
Speaker 4: the beginning. I think Baltimore turning the corner from like
Speaker 4: a bit of a funky operation is something very dangerous.
Speaker 1: Final score twenty eight to three.
Speaker 2: The next week, actually, though Mark the Baltimore lost, but
Speaker 2: after that I lost to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: We were in London.
Speaker 2: We saw them against Tennessee and it wasn't an overwhelming effort,
Speaker 2: but it was like, I get the job done, win
Speaker 2: dominated really right, everything but the score.
Speaker 1: But that game was tight going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Okay, but since really the fourth quarter of that game,
Speaker 2: which they did dominate the fourth against the Titans and
Speaker 2: won by eight points, thirty eight to six over the Lions,
Speaker 2: thirty one, twenty four over the Cardinals, thirty seven to
Speaker 2: three over the Seahawks. So you have a Ravens team
Speaker 2: that is rightfully being celebrated as one of the true
Speaker 2: titans of the league.
Speaker 1: And it is a great test.
Speaker 2: Mark, even though you won't be watching it too closely
Speaker 2: of the Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest Browns games.
Speaker 2: I would say, Greg, since we've been doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: just surprising that Mark won't be watching it very closely.
Speaker 2: But yes, Deshaun Watson and the Browns against the Mighty
Speaker 2: Ravens the AFC North potentially hanging in the balance.
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge game for the Deshaun Watson project.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why you're brought on this
Speaker 4: team if it's not to go beat Baltimore in a
Speaker 4: game like this. When you've got a superstar defense, you
Speaker 4: got just enough on offense. When they played last time,
Speaker 4: Dorian Thompson Robinson had an interception that set the Baltimore
Speaker 4: Ravens up at the Cleveland ten. He had a second
Speaker 4: pick that set them up at the Cleveland thirty eight
Speaker 4: and an interception in the game. If you're Deshaun Watson
Speaker 4: and that didn't happen, you're in that game in a
Speaker 4: different way than you would be this time. I think
Speaker 4: that this Cleveland defense is probably pretty hell bent under
Speaker 4: Jim Schwartz to have a different experience. There's one little
Speaker 4: fly in the ointment for me though. Jed Will's your
Speaker 4: left tackle on ir Jack Conklin has been off the
Speaker 4: field for a long time. So you've got backup right
Speaker 4: and left tackles against the ferocious Ravens.
Speaker 5: But you might even have a backup to a backup
Speaker 5: because Dewan Jones, he's played well.
Speaker 3: They will not play.
Speaker 5: Rookie may not play either, and that's very concerning considering
Speaker 5: how well Jenevian Clowney is.
Speaker 3: Playing a little. I don't know if it's a revenge game, but.
Speaker 5: He needs revenge on the well the way, how about
Speaker 5: they have revenge on it? They didn't, They didn't handle
Speaker 5: how it went. Jaevian Clowney's having a massive season. You know,
Speaker 5: he's not going to finish plays like other.
Speaker 2: The Clowny bump he must be talked about about twenty
Speaker 2: seven percent higher than his actual production.
Speaker 5: He has as many pressures literally as Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt,
Speaker 5: So I don't think we talked about him as much
Speaker 5: in terms of the bump. In terms of that now
Speaker 5: he doesn't finish plays. But he's a good run stopper.
Speaker 5: And the important thing is he's on this defense, which
Speaker 5: knows how to use guys. Kyle van Noy Dafey Olway
Speaker 5: has come back the last couple of weeks and he's
Speaker 5: been rushing the passer well.
Speaker 6: So how does Watson handle.
Speaker 5: That sort of pressure, Because last week I thought he
Speaker 5: made progress. His time to throw was as fast as
Speaker 5: it's been all season, his average depth of target was
Speaker 5: as low as it's been all season, and I think
Speaker 5: they started coaching him up in a way. I was
Speaker 5: talking with Ceciliano about this too, is like kind of
Speaker 5: started looking like the Baker Mayfield offense, where it's like
Speaker 5: first read and if you don't have the first.
Speaker 3: Read, go make a play.
Speaker 5: Because we had this whole idea that they were gonna
Speaker 5: do shotgun and the old Savans Gaffins like Deshaun Watson
Speaker 5: was not going through his reads.
Speaker 3: Last week.
Speaker 5: He had some beautiful deep balls, which was nice to see.
Speaker 5: His arm is back and that's what he does best.
Speaker 5: A couple complete, couple incomplete, but they all looked good,
Speaker 5: and otherwise it was just kind of like throw it
Speaker 5: to your first read or just go try to make
Speaker 5: a play and maybe, and maybe I'm galaxy braining it,
Speaker 5: but maybe that's not a bad approach against this Ravens defense,
Speaker 5: which is so good at out thinking the opponent and
Speaker 5: making quarterbacks hold the ball while they're trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what the heck just happened because they changed all
Speaker 5: their coverages post snap. I don't think the Browns are
Speaker 5: necessarily getting into on all that. They're gonna do what
Speaker 5: they do. They'll throw a couple bombs. They'll need to
Speaker 5: run the ball better than they have been though, because
Speaker 5: the Browns offensive line has been a little disappointing this year.
Speaker 5: I know they're banged up, but they've just been kind
Speaker 5: of mediocre. You think they're gonna be a great offensive
Speaker 5: line and they just they haven't been. They've been fine,
Speaker 5: and this is a very tough match. We're here, by
Speaker 5: the way, Yeah, we're here. You know what we're here,
Speaker 5: you know how we're here, you know what we're here for?
Speaker 2: What? No more excuses for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's com we're here that I could
Speaker 3: have said that before, But the excuse will be is
Speaker 3: like we just got back.
Speaker 5: They're playing the number one defense this game's gonna be
Speaker 5: like thirteen to ten.
Speaker 6: I think six points is too much. They'll just explain favorites.
Speaker 4: By the way, he's not on the injury report, but
Speaker 4: he's still telling people that he's dealing with the still injury.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there seems to be something going on
Speaker 4: where it's like there we got one of the weirder
Speaker 4: and drew the ball well last week. Though he's playing,
Speaker 4: he's not on the injury report. He threw the ball
Speaker 4: deep last week.
Speaker 2: He's got a big time matchup against the division rival
Speaker 2: where the Cleveland Browns, who made him the highest paid
Speaker 2: quarterback ever in terms of guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: This is why he was brought here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Now, do they have to win the game for
Speaker 2: Watson to be successful on a certain level. No, Like,
Speaker 2: he could play really well like we've talked about, and
Speaker 2: maybe they just the Tucker drills fifty eight yard or
Speaker 2: at the gun, but he cannot be sixteen of twenty
Speaker 2: nine for one hundred and forty eight yards with a
Speaker 2: touchdown and two interceptions.
Speaker 1: He needs to play like a star because that's what
Speaker 1: they signed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and beyond, I mean that's true for his own performance,
Speaker 4: but losing would be relatively fatal in a white hot
Speaker 4: division because it moves the Ravens to eight and two,
Speaker 4: the Browns will be five and four having been swept
Speaker 4: by ball.
Speaker 1: No, that's also a big so the playoffs are still alive.
Speaker 5: And well, it's the test for the brown too, because
Speaker 5: the Browns d needs to be special for them to
Speaker 5: be a real factor in the playoffs. And they're gonna
Speaker 5: need to keep this low score and then you keep
Speaker 5: it seventeen sixteen. The last thing is just I think
Speaker 5: Keaton Mitchell is real. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 5: big time story down the stat I know it is
Speaker 5: only like eight or nine carries, but man, his vision
Speaker 5: and the way he could move laterally and everything.
Speaker 3: I mean, guy, I think he's real.
Speaker 2: I was thinking the same thing we're talking about Gibbs.
Speaker 2: Gibbs becomes a star in the second half. What if
Speaker 2: that guy turns into something special? The Ravens get even scarier.
Speaker 2: They're laying six points of wood, so the Desert doesn't
Speaker 2: believe the Browns have it in him. But we will
Speaker 2: see Greg two picks.
Speaker 5: It's tempted to take that one is locked. Maybe maybe
Speaker 5: Nick is in my head, but I don't know. There's
Speaker 5: something about this Browns defense when it's a division game.
Speaker 5: Blow last time. What am I taking here?
Speaker 4: I haven't told our I love that we get to
Speaker 4: hear bris Lock and the six teams that he almost locked.
Speaker 5: Let's go Saints three point favorites at the Vikings.
Speaker 2: I was gonna take this until the Browns raven mind
Speaker 2: f by Mark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is a fun little ball game here.
Speaker 5: I really like this slate of games, by the way,
Speaker 5: especially early, it turned out to be I think a
Speaker 5: good little Sunday draft. Maybe it's because the primetime games
Speaker 5: are so bad that the good games are all at
Speaker 5: one pm. There's like four good games. You look at
Speaker 5: this Vikings team and you do wonder, Okay, Joshua Dobbs
Speaker 5: is going to get more involved in the offense. Is
Speaker 5: there a little bit of a come down effect against
Speaker 5: a more veteran defense that is playing better. You probably
Speaker 5: don't have kJ Osbourne. You probably.
Speaker 6: Don't we know they don't have cam Akers. What is
Speaker 6: this sound?
Speaker 1: What is the team around the NFL?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 5: And then you get the high f team of around
Speaker 5: the NFL during the week.
Speaker 3: That's a big come doown. Can you keep that like
Speaker 3: that level.
Speaker 4: Does anyone inside the Vikings organization know that we made
Speaker 4: that we pulled this very special lever in their favor.
Speaker 2: That is not to put pressure on Eric and a
Speaker 2: big funk behind the glass, But you know how like
Speaker 2: with a Good Morning Football with Kyle's angry runs.
Speaker 1: They have a T shirt, they have a scepter that
Speaker 1: they send.
Speaker 2: I think it's on the producers behind the glass to
Speaker 2: spend you know a lot of money. Maybe we could
Speaker 2: expense it. Maybe we can't to build up something that
Speaker 2: we could ship to teams. How about that, Aric, you
Speaker 2: open to spending out of your own pocket to get
Speaker 2: this off the ground.
Speaker 7: I don't know about my own pocket, but you have
Speaker 7: seen my photoshop ability, so I can probably put something together.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's shirt worthy, but we can
Speaker 7: definitely ship something the Viking somewhere.
Speaker 4: What would happen if we ship three hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: T shirts to the organization and if they assuming that
Speaker 4: they would handle them.
Speaker 6: Like maybe just send some tweets.
Speaker 7: It's probably like one Viking's Way or something out in
Speaker 7: the DM.
Speaker 2: Something I like the old kind of sending something physical.
Speaker 2: You know that everything's in the cloud these days.
Speaker 4: What if we they can pose with and hold tangible
Speaker 4: at real object.
Speaker 5: I'll think, take this, I'll figure something, all right, Thank you, Kyoc.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's getting a lot of love, and
Speaker 5: he should. I think he's out. He out coached Kyle
Speaker 5: Shanahan no doubt. One of the one of the best
Speaker 5: moments I think that is Koc's career is the way
Speaker 5: that their their game plan there where they're calling everything
Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage, and then to follow that
Speaker 5: up with with a couple of weeks that that he's had,
Speaker 5: it's been pretty incredible. He's going up against another second
Speaker 5: year coach here in Dennis Allen, and like, there's no
Speaker 5: excuses for the Saints. They are maybe the healthiest team
Speaker 5: in the NFL. They have literally, I think every single
Speaker 5: starter that they had coming into the season.
Speaker 3: They're all fine.
Speaker 5: And that's it's pretty incredible at this point of the
Speaker 5: year against a Vikings team that has lost so much,
Speaker 5: Like we don't know if if Darisa is going to
Speaker 5: be there their left tackle either this week, and I
Speaker 5: am a little worried about a come down game for
Speaker 5: our team.
Speaker 4: I think that's fair because I think the Saints you know,
Speaker 4: one thing that's carried over year after year is sort
Speaker 4: of their nasty secondary play, their fifth EPA against the pass.
Speaker 4: I don't love that. For what's happening with the Vikings
Speaker 4: right now, and you, Josh.
Speaker 3: Dobbs, it's the interceptions. Well they have. They've forced six
Speaker 3: turnovers over the past two weeks.
Speaker 4: So it's like, I kind of like the Saints are
Speaker 4: this middle of the road team, but they've been a
Speaker 4: little bit better on offense. Derek Carr has been healthier,
Speaker 4: they've been it's kind of like the whole experience. You
Speaker 4: kind of can project them and see them as just
Speaker 4: winning that division. I do love this one little Josh
Speaker 4: Doobbs thing that like days before he was shipped to Minnesota,
Speaker 4: he had been living out of like a you know,
Speaker 4: probably a guy's empty apartment type thing or housing situation
Speaker 4: in Arizona, and like days before he got traded, all
Speaker 4: his furniture finally was delivered to Arizona and dropped off
Speaker 4: in his place and then bang your out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Can that's tough and did to get
Speaker 3: through all that and still do.
Speaker 5: What he did most of all, Josh number one quarterback
Speaker 5: in rush situation, number one in rushing value this year
Speaker 5: according to QBR Josh freaking Dabs.
Speaker 2: Let's say that's that's why this this is the team
Speaker 2: over around the NFL. There's a little special uh sprinkle
Speaker 2: on this team. There's a there's a path to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: There's a path more importantly for what we're doing here,
Speaker 2: there's a path to just something in spare iron happening.
Speaker 2: And can't you just see those Minnesota fans falling for
Speaker 2: this team with Dobbs leading the way and it becoming
Speaker 2: a story in the second half.
Speaker 1: Don't want to jinx it. You can kind of see it.
Speaker 5: I can, and I can see them losing this week
Speaker 5: and that's still all happening. So I don't think, you know,
Speaker 5: they have to win this one like it. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: the Saints are a hard to figure out week the week,
Speaker 5: They're seeming like they're putting it together, but what are
Speaker 5: explained better?
Speaker 2: I like that the offense is finding itself a little
Speaker 2: bit and the defense does have that ability to you know,
Speaker 2: turn the ball over and then that's certainly worked against
Speaker 2: the Bears and it could work against Minnesota.
Speaker 3: All Right, all right, I'm up again.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the Falcons one and a half point favorites.
Speaker 5: That's it in Arizona. That's the Kyler Murray effect. In
Speaker 5: terms of that line that was Clayton tune, it'd be
Speaker 5: five or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 5: I Kyler Murray's been gone so long and some of
Speaker 5: the final moments he had with Cliff Kingsbury we're so
Speaker 5: uninspiring that it's easy to forget what a talented quarterback
Speaker 5: he is. That various points in his career, like he's
Speaker 5: playing like a top five quarterback. If I'm starting a
Speaker 5: team today, he still would be in my top you know, ten,
Speaker 5: top ten or twelve certainly. And he's going up I
Speaker 5: think against the defense in his first matchup that gives.
Speaker 3: Up a lot of big plays.
Speaker 5: As much as they've improved on balance, they're not really
Speaker 5: very good stopping opposing passing games. And so you might
Speaker 5: get Michael Wilson back this week, which is important for Murray.
Speaker 5: He said he's really getting more comfortable in this offense.
Speaker 5: The puff pieces and I don't really buy this, but
Speaker 5: you know, our guy rap sheet, you have to put
Speaker 5: it out there too. Is like he's been a little
Speaker 5: more on top of things. I think maybe the injury
Speaker 5: plus all everything that happened last year with him, maybe
Speaker 5: it was a bit of a career wake up call.
Speaker 5: And so I think the Cardinals are going to be
Speaker 5: a lot more watchable. And they're going up against a
Speaker 5: team that to me are like the anti Falcons. They'll
Speaker 5: find a way to blow things and they're worse than
Speaker 5: the sum of their parts.
Speaker 6: And so I give Arizona a little bit of a
Speaker 6: chance in this game.
Speaker 4: They've been better with Heineke in terms of, you know,
Speaker 4: points per game, it's been an uptick. I kind of
Speaker 4: just glad they made that change. Obviously we all are.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the Cardinals will be more watchable. Like,
Speaker 4: you know, not to continue to talk about Dobbs, but
Speaker 4: he wasn't the problem there.
Speaker 3: He was pretty watchable.
Speaker 4: And before yeah, I think they I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: they've sort of been the same team every year, kind
Speaker 4: of give you a fight and then find a way
Speaker 4: to completely have the floor fall out before the fourth
Speaker 4: quarter strikes eleven o'clock fifty nine minutes and right before midnight.
Speaker 3: That's how clocks work. But I would say this, like.
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting experiment to see what Kyler
Speaker 4: Murray looks like right out of the gate because hasn't
Speaker 4: played since Week thirteen of last year. It's a new scheme,
Speaker 4: it's not going back into something he knows, and I
Speaker 4: guess they handled this pretty wisely. I thought they kind
Speaker 4: of kept him in that practice window for the full
Speaker 4: amount of time he's been doing, you know, starting snaps.
Speaker 4: I guess he's been studying the scheme the entire situation.
Speaker 4: But Kyler Murray is different from me than other quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: It's like, I want to see how comfortable he looks
Speaker 4: out of the gate, because even though he would in
Speaker 4: that offense for years, how often did he look completely uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: With some talent around him a year ago?
Speaker 4: It's like, I think there are question marks still draping
Speaker 4: this quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their offense, and of course what happened with
Speaker 2: the Browns where they have fifty six yards of offense
Speaker 2: or whatever. That's going to affect this data a little bit.
Speaker 2: But still it holds like even with Dobbs thirty first
Speaker 2: in passing yards per game, thirty first in yards per attempt,
Speaker 2: twenty fourth in touchdown I t Racio only eight touchdown
Speaker 2: passes all year. This is not a great passing offense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a ton of weapons. Kyler Murray has
Speaker 2: a reconstructed knee that he's just gonna now take out
Speaker 2: of the shop. So there's gonna be some Obviously, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a little tentative. You would think from that standpoint,
Speaker 2: the idea that they're going to now hit the ground
Speaker 2: running and improve, I'm not sold on that. In fact,
Speaker 2: it could be it could take weeks or not even
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, and it might not get
Speaker 2: much better. So I'm not sold on Kyler riding this
Speaker 2: team back to respectability, but be more watchable.
Speaker 1: You know. I'll enjoy just seeing him back on the field.
Speaker 2: And it's a very important window for Arizona that opens
Speaker 2: here now because they want to take a look at
Speaker 2: him and see what he is before they have to
Speaker 2: make a very big decision after the year.
Speaker 5: And it's a season changing week for the Falcons as well,
Speaker 5: because Arthur Smith said, we're gonna make our quarterback decision
Speaker 5: at the bye after this week, and it's kind of convenience, like, Ooh,
Speaker 5: we're playing the worst defense in the league and then
Speaker 5: we're gonna make our quarterback decision during the bi week.
Speaker 5: And he's said, He's like, we're not gonna be going
Speaker 5: back and forth every week. We're not gonna keep talking
Speaker 5: about this seque every week. We're gonna make a decision
Speaker 5: during the bye and that's the quarterback we're sticking with.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: When I hear that, I wonder if this whole time
Speaker 5: he was thinking I'm gonna go back to Ritter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe him.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't really know.
Speaker 5: I don't believe that's a fair point that we shouldn't
Speaker 5: believe him with anything. They haven't been marrying up the
Speaker 5: passing the run very well offensively, like it just they
Speaker 5: just feel like, okay, let's pick a play for Johnno,
Speaker 5: let's pick a play for Bijon here. And they're just
Speaker 5: like throwing plays together and they're very discombobulated. They're a
Speaker 5: tough watch right now. One of the most disappointing teams
Speaker 5: for me, even though they're four and five. I feel
Speaker 5: like they're kind of like the NFC Raiders, where they
Speaker 5: should not be four and five.
Speaker 2: Please do not let the team of the playoffs. I
Speaker 2: am up next, and you kind of got me, GREGI
Speaker 2: because I wanted to take New Orleans Minnesota. I wanted
Speaker 2: to take Atlanta Arizona, so instead I have to pivot
Speaker 2: to a kind of a rocking chair game. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna grab Giants at Cowboys. Not because I'm excited to
Speaker 2: watch Tommy DeVito make his first NFL start or because
Speaker 2: I love blowouts, but you know, I need to bounce
Speaker 2: out my late schedule, So here we go. I'll knock
Speaker 2: this out. So I don't really know what to tell
Speaker 2: you other than the Giants are having one of their
Speaker 2: worst seasons in a very long time, and this is
Speaker 2: a perfect I can't even The Giants are so helpless
Speaker 2: right now that I can't even tell you that this
Speaker 2: is a trap game for the Cowboys. I think this
Speaker 2: is an unlosable game for the Cowboys. You know who
Speaker 2: else thinks that the Desert where the spread is up
Speaker 2: to sixteen and a half points as of this taping.
Speaker 4: The good college spread is that has there been one
Speaker 4: that ridiculous this season?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: If it's not the highest, it's very close. So this
Speaker 2: is the I would say the only if in terms
Speaker 2: of drama, if you are as I am Greg, I,
Speaker 2: if you have players in fantasy that are on the
Speaker 2: Cowboys and you are, you should be licking your chops
Speaker 2: a little bit, but also realize all those guys might
Speaker 2: be out by the third quarter, because this game is
Speaker 2: going to be non competitive by halftime unless the Cowboys
Speaker 2: really pull like a Week three like against the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: and they kind of know show.
Speaker 1: But I don't think so. I think this is a blowout.
Speaker 2: This could be quite frankly, this could be a forty burger.
Speaker 2: I mean it was.
Speaker 4: It was the first time, you know, in New York
Speaker 4: double forty burgers. Dallas has been you know, for some teams,
Speaker 4: like home road splits seem to be a mishmash and
Speaker 4: have no meaning. But Dallas like legitimately is one of
Speaker 4: these teams that comes home and like turns it on
Speaker 4: and dominates. And I kind of think think that you
Speaker 4: look back to Week one, it feels like a million
Speaker 4: years ago. But they beat the Giants and it wasn't
Speaker 4: even like a huge offensive performance. It was their defense
Speaker 4: scoring points and wreaking havoc. It was their offense and
Speaker 4: their special teams. It was like a complete team effort.
Speaker 4: And we've seen Dallas do that three or four times,
Speaker 4: and nothing about the Giants tells me this is a
Speaker 4: different team. In fact, if anything, the line, the offensive
Speaker 4: line injury bug has been among the worst position group
Speaker 4: strikes that any team have had them. It's like every
Speaker 4: week someone else has heard it's a starter, it's a backup, starters,
Speaker 4: back out. I don't like this at all for them.
Speaker 4: The only thing I point to is that the Giants
Speaker 4: are so weird that we're not that far removed from them.
Speaker 4: Allowing only fourteen points to the Bills and seven to
Speaker 4: a productive Commanders offense.
Speaker 3: I don't think I know that's fine.
Speaker 4: I would like logic would say there's no reason to
Speaker 4: except weird things happen their division opponents. I kind of
Speaker 4: feel like if you're day Ball and the rest of
Speaker 4: the crew. I'm not saying that they're like they're on
Speaker 4: the hot seat because a lot's gone wrong for them,
Speaker 4: but this is it's a kind of campaign that if
Speaker 4: it continues for another seven or eight games, you could
Speaker 4: make a change.
Speaker 3: It's like, you got to show up in these games
Speaker 3: in your own division. Will they?
Speaker 5: Who knows it's it's gonna be de Vedo. He's going
Speaker 5: to be the tenth rookie to start. That's a NFL record.
Speaker 5: I didn't think He was as bad in that Raiders
Speaker 5: game as I was expecting after hearing about it. Like
Speaker 5: the two picks, one was a drop and the other
Speaker 5: one was a deep shot which came up short.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like a crazy bad play. The rest of
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 5: He just looked like a normal bad backup. But a
Speaker 5: normal bad backup against the Dak Prescott like level quarterback
Speaker 5: in this defense, it's gonna very likely fall apart quickly
Speaker 5: because of what's in front of him.
Speaker 2: And since I directly challenged Ceedee Lamb, he has set
Speaker 2: new career highs and receiving yards in each of the
Speaker 2: last two weeks twelve for one fifty eight and two
Speaker 2: touchdowns against the Rams eleven for one ninety one.
Speaker 4: That's the kind of scenario where you need to be
Speaker 4: sending your version of a scepter to the player and
Speaker 4: you're getting pickure and all that, but you challenge them,
Speaker 4: and look.
Speaker 2: What happened, Cowboys Headquarters. Can we send some type of
Speaker 2: physical relic?
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I think your problem though this week?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like it's going to be like let's get
Speaker 5: cooks and gallop and let's let's get everyone else involved.
Speaker 5: That's kind of what it's like that week where like
Speaker 5: we can just afford to mess around a little bit.
Speaker 2: My son Jack's having a big season in soccer. He
Speaker 2: has seventeen goals and he's coming off back to back
Speaker 2: hat tricks. I'm very proud of because it's fun to
Speaker 2: see him play with passion, which he doesn't quite have
Speaker 2: in little league. His coach has to tell him in
Speaker 2: the second half of these games, hey, you're done scoring,
Speaker 2: let's get some assists. Yeah, just said. And there's a
Speaker 2: couple kids on the team that haven't scored a goal
Speaker 2: yet this season. That's what McCarthy. The Texas Coast offense
Speaker 2: could be in that mode against.
Speaker 4: What's his response to that, though, because a child would
Speaker 4: be like I typically would want to just keep scoring.
Speaker 2: I raise my children. Well, he understands, he understands, he's
Speaker 2: a good teammate.
Speaker 7: Guys, before we move on, you mentioned gifted striker, a
Speaker 7: gifted young.
Speaker 3: Strin spread to yes, going here.
Speaker 1: But you don't want to talk about my son's soccer.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to get in before we move along.
Speaker 7: People what they want this is pretty not so. A
Speaker 7: couple of days ago, they were fifteen, they were fifteen
Speaker 7: and a half point favorites, so they're getting bet up still.
Speaker 7: So people are still bet on the Cowboys moving the
Speaker 7: number that way, and they would be They would be
Speaker 7: the largest spread this season. They were actually already set
Speaker 7: the largest spread with the fifteen point when they were
Speaker 7: fifteen point dogs to the Bills in Week.
Speaker 1: Six the Giants.
Speaker 5: The Giants, Yes, the Cowboys are also the biggest favorites
Speaker 5: to lose a game this year, and that was against
Speaker 5: the Cardinals.
Speaker 7: I mean, in that Giants Bills game, it came down to,
Speaker 7: you know, an untimed down.
Speaker 2: Give yourself a ding, Give yourself a ding that she
Speaker 2: deserved it, baby one.
Speaker 3: There a lot of buttons back here, guys.
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you're up.
Speaker 3: I'll go.
Speaker 4: Commanders at Seahawks. Uh, Commander's getting six points in. This
Speaker 4: feels completely fair on the road, I think so. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like Seattle to me has probably got
Speaker 4: feeling a little angry about what's happened recently. I guess
Speaker 4: for me, it kind of just boils down to the
Speaker 4: sloppy nature of Seattle over since Week five nine giveaways,
Speaker 4: they only had one in the first four games of
Speaker 4: the season, and you know, it's not just a Gino things.
Speaker 3: It's environmental.
Speaker 4: But Gino has four touchdowns and six picks over his
Speaker 4: last four games. I guess it's like I know that
Speaker 4: we've talked about this as coming to some degree from
Speaker 4: an element of daring do He's got confidence in his passes,
Speaker 4: Like I think he does some stuff every game that's
Speaker 4: pretty beautiful, but you can't have him doing this. And
Speaker 4: I thought that last week was the first week where
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll has been as ultrafan had a little there's
Speaker 4: a little bit of frustration and a little bit of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this just can't happen. And you got Drew Lock behind you,
Speaker 4: so nothing's going to change. But like the Genos Geno
Speaker 4: Smith experience is a couple of notches down from where
Speaker 4: we were before.
Speaker 5: Well, their offensive line has skated a little bit. I
Speaker 5: think Gino's helped up by getting rid of the ball quicker.
Speaker 5: With all their injuries, They've been as injured as any
Speaker 5: as like the Giants basically at parts of the year,
Speaker 5: and last week that really came home through They were
Speaker 5: dominated so much both sides, but it was crazy how
Speaker 5: little their defensive line also made an impact. And if
Speaker 5: you're on below average on both lines. Like that's that's
Speaker 5: the number one thing to look for of like who's
Speaker 5: gonna be a little surprising, who's gonna go win the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: Who has?
Speaker 5: Like good lines on both sides. I think the Seahawks
Speaker 5: are below average on both sides. That's a tough road
Speaker 5: to hoe. This is a nice week that for them
Speaker 5: that the Commanders traded their ed rushers, because that's what
Speaker 5: I worry about every week is their tackles in Seattle
Speaker 5: holding up against ed rushers, and the Commanders don't have any,
Speaker 5: but they have two pretty good guys inside I think
Speaker 5: the Commanders have. I think six points is a lot
Speaker 5: because I just think the Commanders are a better team
Speaker 5: than that. Like I think I thought it was crazy
Speaker 5: they were underdogs against the Patriots. They're a better team,
Speaker 5: and these two teams don't seem that far apart to me,
Speaker 5: Commanders and Seahawks. I think Seahawks are better. They're more
Speaker 5: talented offensively, but.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, Seattle was like, you know, winning the
Speaker 4: division seven days ago.
Speaker 5: Sure, but were you watching them on a week to
Speaker 5: week basis? And they have the ingredients to play better
Speaker 5: And I think the defense certainly could cause a bunch
Speaker 5: of turnovers against Howell.
Speaker 3: But How's playing well well.
Speaker 4: I think how also like the you know, some of
Speaker 4: the pressure, some of the sacks has gone down last
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. If that's a trend, that's that's good
Speaker 4: for him. I kind of feel like he's the quarterback
Speaker 4: that he will keep you in every game. I mean,
Speaker 4: did some things against New England that, like we talked about,
Speaker 4: just like weird unscripted stuf where he sees the field
Speaker 4: in a way where it's like, I think that's that's
Speaker 4: a headache for defenses.
Speaker 5: He had some insane throws in that game, like Howl's
Speaker 5: kind of doing it.
Speaker 6: He's doing it. It's a fun game.
Speaker 2: Do you know he's not doing it? Gregory No in
Speaker 2: his last fourteen games dating back to the last year,
Speaker 2: because he kind of has fallen off a little bit
Speaker 2: at the end of last year. Yeah, thirteen interceptions. They
Speaker 2: have averaged fifteen points per game since Week five. It's
Speaker 2: twenty ninth in the league. The offense has been not
Speaker 2: good and they need to change that if they are
Speaker 2: to be seriously take taken seriously in the NFC West.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I have a hambling game for them. I
Speaker 5: will be curious to see the response.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, and you know, I think Carol's been Carol
Speaker 2: knows how to do this. He knows how to get
Speaker 2: these teams back on track after something like a blowout
Speaker 2: loss that they suffered. So when it surprised me, and
Speaker 2: Washington's another team that's hard for me to figure out.
Speaker 2: And we'll see how. Like you said, he's only been
Speaker 2: sacked four times in the last two weeks. He was
Speaker 2: getting sacked every week four times a game at least
Speaker 2: before that. So if they can protect how he can
Speaker 2: make the throws and this game gets very uncomfortable for Seattle.
Speaker 1: I guess it comes down if the.
Speaker 2: Seahawks pass rush with Leonard Williams now there, if they
Speaker 2: can get home, that could be the difference maker in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Boy, Mafe is playing really well, like they have good
Speaker 5: individual performances, but man, the tackling. That's why I just
Speaker 5: I pushed back, like Gino's not playing great, But I
Speaker 5: guess it's what are you where are we placing him?
Speaker 1: To me?
Speaker 3: The idea was he's he's don't move the goal post here.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm not I'm saying like, if he's a
Speaker 5: quarterback that I think is better than the Dalton line.
Speaker 5: But maybe you guys think is around the Dalton line, Like,
Speaker 5: isn't this what happens? There's there's ups, there's there's downs.
Speaker 5: There there's when you're playing a great defense. It's like Baltimore,
Speaker 5: it falls apart a little. But I was more concerned
Speaker 5: as someone who's rotten for the Seahawks. Everyone is, like
Speaker 5: everyone on that team look terrible. I'm just saying, Devin
Speaker 5: Witherspoon had a terrible game.
Speaker 2: Geno comfortably in the top ten of the QB Index,
Speaker 2: you know, on in October, as I recall, and now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's really taking a step back here,
Speaker 2: and that's and they have not been able to deal
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: That's a tough situation.
Speaker 4: And also, like I think we everyone agreese to different
Speaker 4: Everyone agrees that the Geno Smith like last you know,
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen months, is a good story. But like I
Speaker 4: have less and less confidence that they're going to go
Speaker 4: on the road and win playoff games with him at
Speaker 4: all unless he's perfect, and he's now you get the
Speaker 4: end perfect version, all right, Mark Titans at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: That's good. It's a good one this late in the draft.
Speaker 2: I I feel like I've been watching a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of Baker on Sundays.
Speaker 1: Just need a little bit of a break. Although he's
Speaker 1: been kind of fun to watch, marks.
Speaker 4: That you guys, he's been less fun in the will
Speaker 4: not be the reason I'm picking this. I think the
Speaker 4: whole Bucks offense has been less enjoyable than that first
Speaker 4: four weeks. I mean they're zero and four since their
Speaker 4: Week five bys, so that tells you a lot about
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay and I think who they really are. This
Speaker 4: is an interesting matchup for Levis, who is so watchable.
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, I'm like on these games, like I
Speaker 4: want to pick one or two players. They could just
Speaker 4: totally tractor beaming me to a game. And that's what's
Speaker 4: happening here. The Bucks are pretty banged up in the secondary,
Speaker 4: Jamal Deane, Carlton Davis, the backup Josh Hayes, Like these
Speaker 4: guys are all dealing with injuries, and I feel like
Speaker 4: Tennessee's passing game is completely different with Will Levis throwing
Speaker 4: the ball away he does if you're watching on the YouTube,
Speaker 4: it's like this guy just guns it out and I
Speaker 4: kind of love that the Titans out of the gate.
Speaker 4: I think there was a wait and see approach that
Speaker 4: he didn't win the job in camp. You know, he
Speaker 4: wasn't talked about as the clear backup through most of
Speaker 4: the season. I don't know what they were seeing in practice,
Speaker 4: but what we're seeing in games is the kind of
Speaker 4: person that can transform an offense. And the Bucks are
Speaker 4: thirtieth in EPA against the pass. They already banged up already.
Speaker 4: I kind of like it as an idea for Tennessee
Speaker 4: to continue to change who who we think they are
Speaker 4: on offense, especially they're getting a point in this game.
Speaker 5: I can't believe they're thirtieth against the pass. It just
Speaker 5: shows even though I don't think I don't think they've
Speaker 5: changed during this four game loustric. They've been in most
Speaker 5: of these games and they were just like winning close
Speaker 5: games and against mediocre teams. And now they're losing close
Speaker 5: games against mediocre teams. It's just like they're fine. They're
Speaker 5: they're a generic, They're about the most fine team in
Speaker 5: the NFL.
Speaker 3: Everything's fine. Baker is a nice story.
Speaker 5: I think Dave Canalis, their offensive coordinator, if this coaching
Speaker 5: staff gets fired, is going to get another good coordinator job,
Speaker 5: because this is the best I've ever seen Baker play.
Speaker 5: I think he's really a different player. He's the Dalton
Speaker 5: line for me in the NFL this year, and I'm
Speaker 5: really surprised.
Speaker 3: And who's QB coach? Was he a year ago?
Speaker 5: Greg Gino Smith? I think they're missing Dave Canalis for sure.
Speaker 5: I was thinking that, like they they miss him when
Speaker 5: I'm watching Baker making these plays.
Speaker 3: We didn't did you?
Speaker 5: Did you mention that they officially announced that Tanneil is
Speaker 5: not getting this job back, that he is the backup
Speaker 5: this week? And for Tannehill, you know that he said
Speaker 5: that was a hard pill to swallow and he'll he'll
Speaker 5: handle it. But it's the first time actually in his
Speaker 5: career where he's really been benched permanently for a young
Speaker 5: guy like that. I think he's turning thirty six this offseason. Dan,
Speaker 5: I do want to point out you gave Mark a
Speaker 5: lot of grief for how he handled Brown's Ravens early. Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a a little bit of
Speaker 5: grief that you have one early game, two late games,
Speaker 5: and Mark now has three early games, so it's well,
Speaker 5: it's all messed up.
Speaker 3: We're not in co we're not in concert. But I actually,
Speaker 3: I wait, it's okay.
Speaker 1: That was an oversight. I thought I had two early games.
Speaker 4: We can sort it out after. It's not the listeners
Speaker 4: burden to bear.
Speaker 3: It is not.
Speaker 5: I did like seeing Klaijah Canzi was back in the
Speaker 5: mix last week, their first round pick, and he looked good.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, we'll work that out. I'm sorry, Sorry, I shouldn't.
Speaker 3: It's more than actually guess to how I actually interplay. Hey,
Speaker 3: give all the old those I think you'll see that.
Speaker 3: We don't need to do anything at all. We're absolutely fine.
Speaker 3: It's all gonna work out.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't you worry.
Speaker 1: And you promised me it's gonna be okay, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be all right.
Speaker 5: Levis uh Lewis showed me more I think in that
Speaker 5: second start than even the first. It wasn't all just
Speaker 5: like Piers and Rainbows. It was to It was two
Speaker 5: minute drills, like repeatable professional throws. He looks so comfortable,
Speaker 5: maybe too comfortable, like like Tannehill. He's gonna get brutalized,
Speaker 5: I think by taking some tough hits. But I think
Speaker 5: he showed more like, Wow, this is gonna stick plays
Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh, even in the first game.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing that the final score didn't
Speaker 2: reflect how he played. But that's a pretty I mean,
Speaker 2: he breathed take there. I mean he was he was electric, and.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 5: But that's just not gonna happen often where you can
Speaker 5: throw four bombs a game. To do something like he
Speaker 5: did last week, especially those two minute drives were really
Speaker 5: really impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I kind of uh. I kind
Speaker 2: of viewed the Levis situation as he had the amazing
Speaker 2: debut and then he was kind of in a really hard,
Speaker 2: tough spot on a short week in Pittsburgh. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: just survive that, and now we get to see what
Speaker 2: he looks like with a little extra prep prep time
Speaker 2: against a defense where you could do some damage. So
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a good one. Finally, let's go
Speaker 2: to Germany. Do we have our Germany music? Germany music?
Speaker 6: Is it the Gouda Kuntz music or just how.
Speaker 2: Is your Strudo in your is.
Speaker 3: The song Germans citizens would pick for us?
Speaker 2: But okay, it's got like a bit of an Octoberfest feel.
Speaker 2: That's yes, in the ballpark elements.
Speaker 1: Well speak for yourself.
Speaker 2: All right. The Indianapolis Colts are facing the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: It's a one and a half point spread in face
Speaker 2: of the Colts. Rich Eyes and Jason mccordy on the call.
Speaker 2: Our Lady Dall's on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: That's Stacy Dale's and Sarah Walsher, who I have not
Speaker 2: had the pleasure to meet, but probably a great woman
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: So good team they're calling the game.
Speaker 2: As for the game itself, you yet, Gardner means you
Speaker 2: against Mac Jones.
Speaker 1: This is not a man.
Speaker 2: You think about the old days Peyton Manning versus Tom
Speaker 2: Brady and now no difference. Gardner means you against Mac
Speaker 2: Jones and Greg there is more drama around the Patriots.
Speaker 1: They are not taking this j C. Jackson thing is
Speaker 1: not working out. You know. It's a big difference between.
Speaker 2: GREGI the old Patriots, the good old days and now
Speaker 2: is In the old days they would trade for someone
Speaker 2: else's depressed asset like J. C. Jackson. They'd bring him
Speaker 2: back and he would play out of his mind immediately.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jamie Collins would come in and suddenly.
Speaker 2: Jam Collins Jack Jones would immediately like he would be
Speaker 2: like all Pro and the big difference. And this isn't
Speaker 2: a shot against Belichick, but it's more just the credit
Speaker 2: to Brady. Like when Brady was there, there was an
Speaker 2: accountability and a level that you needed to meet to
Speaker 2: be a part of the Patriot Way. And now all
Speaker 2: that's melted away, and all that's left is just like
Speaker 2: this middling team just grinding through an unsuccessful season. And
Speaker 2: when that happens, and trust me, I've been following teams
Speaker 2: for years that are like that, the the Elijah Moorris
Speaker 2: for instance, they start, they start to pop up, and
Speaker 2: then do you get like these people that don't aren't happy,
Speaker 2: don't feel like they're being treated well or playing enough,
Speaker 2: and they're not taking J. C. Jackson to Germany. And
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with jack Jones, but
Speaker 2: there's there's just there's just drama behind the scenes with
Speaker 2: his team on top of everything else.
Speaker 3: It's a bad look.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a bad They had those back in
Speaker 5: the day, but they would just get rid of those guys.
Speaker 5: Remember Dahlius Thomas didn't drive to the practice us in
Speaker 5: the Snowstone.
Speaker 1: No, that was messed up. That was messed up.
Speaker 3: But he had a whole issue that whole year.
Speaker 2: But there was a for those of the younger listeners
Speaker 2: or Adelias Thomas uh there was a blizzard in the
Speaker 2: New England region and because of the blizzard, he was
Speaker 2: snowed in, could not get to practice on time, and
Speaker 2: by the time he got to practice, really risking his
Speaker 2: life in the process trying to get to the facility.
Speaker 2: What did Bill do.
Speaker 5: I don't even I mean, he suspended him, I think
Speaker 5: finally to spend it. I don't know if he I
Speaker 5: don't think he cut him right there. But they didn't
Speaker 5: let him play in the game.
Speaker 3: And that was the rich Hubris of the of the day.
Speaker 4: Back then you could do that and no one would
Speaker 4: No one would quest certainly none of that.
Speaker 2: And I won't even get into the guy that ran
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards and four touchdowns on Sunday Night
Speaker 2: football and then his iPhone didn't go off.
Speaker 5: There was a leadership board there, Yeah, because they because
Speaker 5: they all the guys that he brought up. He brought
Speaker 5: with them Belichick and all the coaches and the gms
Speaker 5: and everything he was so good at developing. It's like
Speaker 5: they all left and maybe they weren't good elsewhere, but
Speaker 5: he was good at the developing them and that sort
Speaker 5: of decayed. It's why I push back a little bit
Speaker 5: when it's the whole Brady Belichick thing.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, it was proven once and fall. First
Speaker 6: of all, of.
Speaker 5: Course that Tom Brady is more valuable than the coach,
Speaker 5: but it's the two of them together that made him special.
Speaker 5: But I am waiting for someone to ever point out
Speaker 5: that's like, well, this is the seventy year old version
Speaker 5: of Belichick.
Speaker 1: Oh he's not going there.
Speaker 5: Well, of course, like why would we just assume he's
Speaker 5: operating at the same level on all ways as he
Speaker 5: was Joe Biden. No, I'm just I don't mean, like
Speaker 5: in terms of game plans or prep and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: I don't really know, But in terms of everything, I
Speaker 5: think it's totally reasonable to believe that he was in
Speaker 5: his prime twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: And maybe sure I.
Speaker 4: Agree with that, but I think there's also like methodical
Speaker 4: choices that you have time to make as an organization.
Speaker 4: They've drafted fourteen players on offense in the first three
Speaker 4: rounds since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Where where do they lack the most talent?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: All over their offense?
Speaker 4: They've taken eight wide receiver and since the year two
Speaker 4: two thousand in the first three rounds, it's.
Speaker 5: Like they're the only team that misses on second second
Speaker 5: round receivers anymore.
Speaker 3: Like him being seventy, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like Pete Carroll is someone that we're crowing about left
Speaker 4: and right, and he seems rather ageless people.
Speaker 5: He's got a real front office, he's got a real part.
Speaker 3: This is but this isn't a decision that Belichick made.
Speaker 4: Belichick made this decision in Cleveland before he came to
Speaker 4: New England.
Speaker 3: How he wanted to write to me.
Speaker 5: That's the way he operates that it's a one man show,
Speaker 5: but he was very good at developing all the other
Speaker 5: people to help him.
Speaker 6: That is maybe a young man's game.
Speaker 5: I think they lose this game by the way they
Speaker 5: are one and a half point underrec I do want
Speaker 5: to say are to our German fans, thank you for
Speaker 5: listening because when we we've been pushing to try to
Speaker 5: go to Germany and you know, there's various reasons it's
Speaker 5: tough to pull off, and we're told, well, you know
Speaker 5: there's not as much English spoken there, and that's that's true.
Speaker 5: I get it, it's not as much. But I just
Speaker 5: brought up the latest podcast. Yesterday we did the Colleen
Speaker 5: Show in Germany. You know, we give all the all
Speaker 5: the love to the UK listeners. Germany's here number six
Speaker 5: on the list, over one thousand listens in less than
Speaker 5: the last twenty four hours just on that one episode.
Speaker 5: We're they're a little behind Ireland, shout out to Australia,
Speaker 5: Canada and the UK or a little ahead of them,
Speaker 5: but they're pretty high on that list.
Speaker 1: So we love you Germany's fans that.
Speaker 2: Have already traveled ahead to Germany for the game.
Speaker 6: No, it's most weeks. I went, it's most weeks.
Speaker 3: That just don't kill the message there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you listen.
Speaker 2: If there are German listen listeners, you guys, that's the real.
Speaker 6: There's a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look a thousand.
Speaker 4: Greg likes Germany more than Mark and Dan. We understand
Speaker 4: the point. No, it's it's a it's a global thing.
Speaker 4: Here's my one issue with the Patriots says.
Speaker 3: A lot that way.
Speaker 1: We should talk about the culture.
Speaker 4: But if you're the Patriots, look what they're playing about
Speaker 4: Mac Jones during the game, which we didn't talk about
Speaker 4: Sunday night.
Speaker 3: This is concerning I thought, what lately got.
Speaker 1: So Ezekiel Elliott puts up six.
Speaker 3: Mac Joels.
Speaker 1: Who's that guy? Growing up?
Speaker 2: Dopted Florida Tat's player as well.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, they're going quick.
Speaker 1: Got the motion into Mario Douglas. They give it to
Speaker 1: him one. I mean, so we have an.
Speaker 6: Audio mostly an audio show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well so it's uh, you know, multiple glamour shots
Speaker 4: of child Mac Jones as a child model.
Speaker 1: It explains a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's John Benny Ramsey, but I don't.
Speaker 4: I just don't like the need there. So sorry, Greg,
Speaker 4: what were you saying.
Speaker 2: John Bay, I didn't think she would ever come up
Speaker 2: on this podcast, and yeah, here we are.
Speaker 3: I said, it's not like that, thankfully, all right.
Speaker 2: Anything on the cults. Jonathan Taylor looks like he's taken
Speaker 2: over that backfield. It took it took enough time. Now
Speaker 2: let's see if he could have a huge game in Germany.
Speaker 2: I kind of feel it a breakout tailor game.
Speaker 1: That's my prediction. One hundred and fifty total yards and
Speaker 1: a touch.
Speaker 5: He's been looking good. Their defensive line played well last week.
Speaker 5: Their defensive to dominate that Gardner. Minshew's had a little
Speaker 5: bit diminishing returns. It's been a mess week after week,
Speaker 5: so I good back up. The Patriots have a chance
Speaker 5: to win this game because their offensive line has been
Speaker 5: playing better certainly since they put a winnow out there,
Speaker 5: like mac Jones has been fine.
Speaker 2: I think this line's in a good spot one and
Speaker 2: a half for the Colts. But yeah, kind of a
Speaker 2: coin flip. All right, there you go. That's everything. We've
Speaker 2: done it again and.
Speaker 3: We will do it again, and we will do.
Speaker 2: It again tonight. Greg with Mina. That's nice. Mina welcome recently,
Speaker 2: welcome to a.
Speaker 3: Daughter, baby boy, baby boy.
Speaker 2: So congratulations the Mina and her eight family. It's a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And I'm sure you guys will do a
Speaker 2: great do great justice too and otherwise forgettable contest, but
Speaker 2: we got Mina, that's a big name. So you have
Speaker 2: to check out the Thursday night recap.
Speaker 5: We'll get deep into the Ryan Poles Scott Fitterer trade
Speaker 5: from last year.
Speaker 2: The around the NFL on NFL Plus. Also we have
Speaker 2: the Dreamatorium mid season awards show, so you got to
Speaker 2: make sure you check that out. And yes, after Thursday
Speaker 2: at the Policy Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Hear the call